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Attacking Iran for Israel?
Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice is at her mushroom-cloud hyperbolic best, and this time Iran is the target. Her claim last week that "the policies of Iran constitute perhaps the single greatest challenge to American security interests in the Middle East and around the world" is simply too much of a stretch.
To gauge someone's reliability, one depends largely on prior experience. Sadly, Rice's credibility suffers in comparison with Mohammed ElBaradei, head of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA). Basing his judgment on the findings of IAEA inspectors in Iran, ElBaradei reports that there is no evidence of an active nuclear weapons program there.
If this sounds familiar it is, in fact, déjàvu. ElBaradei said the same thing about Iraq before it was attacked. But three days before the invasion, American nuclear expert Dick Cheney told NBC's Tim Russert, "I think Mr. ElBaradei is, frankly, wrong."
Here we go again. As in the case of Iraq, US intelligence has been assiduously looking for evidence of a nuclear weapons program in Iran; but, alas, in vain. Burned by the bogus "proof" adduced for Iraq-the uranium from Africa, the aluminum tubes-the administration has shied away from fabricating nuclear-related "evidence." Are Bush and Cheney again relying on the Rumsfeld dictum, that "the absence of evidence is not evidence of absence?" There is a simpler answer.
Cat Out of the Bag
The Israeli ambassador to the US, Sallai Meridor, let the cat out of the bag while speaking at the American Jewish Committee luncheon on Oct. 22. In remarks paralleling those of Rice, Meridor said Iran is the chief threat to Israel. Heavy on the chutzpah, he then served gratuitous notice on Washington that countering Iran's nuclear ambitions will take a "united United States in this matter," lest the Iranians conclude, "come January '09, they have it their own way."
Meridor stressed that "very little time" remained to keep Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons. How so? Even were there to be a nuclear program hidden from the IAEA, no serious observer expects Iran to obtain a nuclear weapon much sooner than five years from now.
Truth be told, every other year since 1995 US intelligence has been predicting that Iran could have a nuclear weapon in about five years. It has become downright embarrassing-like a broken record, punctuated only by so-called "neo-conservatives" like James Woolsey, who in August publicly warned that the U.S. may have no choice but to bomb Iran in order to halt Tehran's nuclear weapons program.
Woolsey, self-described "anchor of the Presbyterian wing of the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs," put it this way: "I'm afraid that within, well, at worst, a few months; at best, a few years; they [the Iranians] could have the bomb."
The day before Ambassador Meridor's unintentionally revealing remark, Vice President Dick Cheney reiterated, "We will not allow Iran to have a nuclear weapon." That remark followed closely on President George W. Bush's apocalyptic warning of World War III, should Tehran acquire the knowledge to produce a nuclear weapon.
The Israelis appear convinced they have extracted a promise from Bush and Cheney that they will help Israel nip Iran's nuclear program in the bud before they leave office. That is why the Israeli ambassador says there is "very little time"-less than 15 months.
Never mind that there is no evidence that the Iranian nuclear program is any more weapons-related than the one Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld persuaded President Gerald Ford to approve in 1976. Westinghouse and General Electric successfully lobbied for approval to sell the Shah for $6.4 billion the kind of nuclear facilities that Iran is now building, but the deal fell through when the Shah was ousted in 1979.
With 200-300 nuclear weapons in its arsenal, the Israelis enjoy a nuclear monopoly in the Middle East. They mean to keep that monopoly and Israel's current leaders are pressing for the US to obliterate Iran's fledgling nuclear program.
Anyone aware of Iran's ability to retaliate realizes this would bring disaster to the whole region and beyond. But this has not stopped Cheney and Bush in the past. And the real rationale is reminiscent of the one revealed by Philip Zelikow, confidant of Condoleezza Rice, former member of the President's Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board, and later executive director of the 9/11 Commission. On Oct. 10 2002, Zelikow said this to a crowd at the University of Virginia:
"Why would Iraq attack America or use nuclear weapons against us? I'll tell you what I think the real threat is-it's the threat to Israel. And this is the threat that dare not speak its name...the American government doesn't want to lean too hard on it rhetorically, because it is not a popular sell."
Harbinger?
The political offensive against Iran coalesced as George W. Bush began his second term, with Cheney out in front pressing for an attack on its nuclear-related facilities. During a Jan. 20, 2005 interview with MSNBC, just hours before Bush's second inauguration, Cheney put Iran "right at the top of the list of trouble spots," and noted that negotiations and UN sanctions might fail to stop Iran's nuclear program. Cheney then added, with remarkable nonchalance:
"Given the fact that Iran has a stated policy that their objective is the destruction of Israel, the Israelis might decide to act first, and let the rest of the world worry about cleaning up the diplomatic mess afterwards."
Does this not sound like the so-called "Cheney plan" being widely discussed in the media today? An Israeli attack; Iranian retaliation; the United States springing to the defense of its "ally" Israel?
A big fan of preemption, the vice president was the first U.S. official to speak approvingly of Israel's air attack on Iraq's reactor at Osirak in 1981. He included that endorsement in his important speech of Aug. 26, 2002, in which he set the terms of reference for the subsequent campaign to persuade Congress to approve war with Iraq.
Cheney has done little to disguise his attraction to Israel's penchant to preempt. Ten years after the attack on Osirak, then-Defense Secretary Cheney reportedly gave Israeli Maj. Gen. David Ivri, commander of the Israeli Air Force, a satellite photo of the Iraqi nuclear reactor destroyed by U.S.-built Israeli aircraft. On the photo Cheney penned, "Thanks for the outstanding job on the Iraqi nuclear program in 1981."
Nothing is known of Ivri's response, but it is a safe bet it was along the lines of "we could not have done it without your country's help." Indeed, although the U.S. officially condemned the attack (the Reagan administration was supporting Saddam Hussein's Iraq at the time), intelligence and operational support that the Pentagon shared with the Israelis made a major contribution to the success of the Israeli raid. With Vice President Cheney now calling the shots, similar support is a virtual certainty in the event of an Israeli attack on Iran.
It is no secret that former Israeli prime minister Ariel Sharon was already pressing in 2003 for an early preemptive strike, insisting that Iran was likely to obtain a nuclear weapon much earlier than the time forecast by U.S. intelligence. Sharon even brought his own military adviser to brief Bush with aerial photos of Iranian nuclear-related installations.
More troubling still, in the fall of 2004 Gen. Brent Scowcroft, who served as national security adviser to President George H.W. Bush and as Chair of the younger Bush's Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board, made some startling comments to the Financial Times.
A master of discretion with the media, Scowcroft nonetheless saw fit to make public his conclusion that Sharon had Bush "mesmerized;" that he had our president "wrapped around his little finger." Needless to say, Scowcroft was immediately ousted from the advisory board and is now persona non grata at the White House in which he worked for so many years.
An Unstable Infatuation
George W. Bush first met Sharon in 1998, when the Texas governor was taken on a tour of the Middle East by Matthew Brooks, then executive director of the Republican Jewish Coalition. Sharon was foreign minister at the time and took Bush on a helicopter tour of the Israeli occupied territories. An Aug. 3, 2006 McClatchy wire story by Ron Hutcheson quotes Matthew Brooks:
"If there's a starting point for George W. Bush's attachment to Israel, it's the day in late 1998, when he stood on a hilltop where Jesus delivered the Sermon on the Mount, and, with eyes brimming with tears, read aloud from his favorite hymn, 'Amazing Grace.' He was very emotional. It was a tear-filled experience. He brought Israel back home with him in his heart. I think he came away profoundly moved."
Bush made gratuitous but revealing reference to that trip at the first meeting of his National Security Council on Jan. 30, 2001. After announcing he would abandon the decades-long role of "honest broker" between Israelis and Palestinians and would tilt pronouncedly toward Israel, Bush said he had decided to take Sharon "at face value" and unleash him.
At that point the president brought up his trip to Israel with the Republican Jewish Coalition and the flight over Palestinian camps, but there was no sense of concern for the lot of the Palestinians. In Ron Suskind's Price of Loyalty, then-Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill, who took part at the NSC meeting, quotes Bush: "Looked real bad down there," the president said with a frown. He then said it was time to end America's efforts in the region: "I don't see much we can do over there at this point."
O'Neill reported that Colin Powell, the newly minted but nominal secretary of state, was taken completely by surprise at this nonchalant jettisoning of more nuanced and balanced longstanding policy. Powell demurred, warning that this would unleash Sharon and "the consequences could be dire, especially for the Palestinians." According to O'Neill, Bush just shrugged, saying, "Sometimes a show of strength by one side can really clarify things." O'Neill says that Powell seemed "startled."
It is a safe bet that the vice president was in no way startled.
What Now?
The only thing that seems to be standing in the way of a preemptive attack on Iran's nuclear facilities is unusual-but-sensible foot-dragging by the U.S. military. It seems likely that the senior military leadership has told the president and Cheney: This time let us brief you on what to expect on Day 2, on Week 4, on Month 6-and on the many serious things Iran can do to Israel, and to us in Iraq and elsewhere.
CENTCOM commander Admiral William Fallon is reliably reported to have said, "We are not going to do Iran on my watch." And in an online Q-and-A on Sept. 27, award-winning Washington Post reporter Dana Priest spoke of a possible "revolt" if pilots were ordered to fly missions against Iran. She added:
"This is a little bit of hyperbole, but not much. Just look at what Gen. Casey, the Army chief, has said...that the tempo of operations in Iraq would make it very hard for the military to respond to a major crisis elsewhere. Besides, it's not the 'war' or 'bombing' part that's difficult; it's the morning after and all the days after that. Haven't we learned that (again) from Iraq?"
How about Congress? Could it act as a brake on Bush and Cheney? Forget it. If the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) with its overflowing coffers supports an attack on Iran, so will most of our spineless lawmakers. Already, AIPAC has succeeded in preventing legislation that would have required the president to obtain advance authorization for an attack on Iran.
And for every Admiral Fallon, there is someone like the inimitable retired Air Force Lt. Gen. Thomas McInerney, a close associate of James Woolsey, "cakewalk" Ken Adelman and other "neo-cons." The air campaign "will be easy," says McInerney, a FOX pundit who was a rabid advocate of shock and awe over Iraq. "Ahmadinejad has nothing in Iran that we can't penetrate," he adds, and several hundred aircraft, including stealth bombers, will be enough to do the trick:
"Forty-eight hours duration, hitting 2,500 aim points to take out their nuclear facilities, their air defense facilities, their air force, their navy, their Shahab-3 retaliatory missiles, and finally their command and control. And then let the Iranian people take their country back."
And the likely White House rationale for war? Since, particularly with the fiasco of Iraq as backdrop, it will be a hard sell to promote the idea of an imminent threat from a nuclear-armed Iran, the White House PR machine has already begun focusing on other "evidence"- amorphous so far-indicating that Iran is supporting those who are "killing our troops in Iraq."
The scary thing is that Cheney is more likely to use the McInerneys and Woolseys than the Fallons and Caseys in showing the president how "easily" it can all be done-Cakewalk II.
Madness.
It is not as though our country has lacked statesmen wise enough to warn us against foreign entanglements and about those who have difficulty distinguishing between the strategic interests of the United States and those of other countries:
"A passionate attachment of one nation for another produces a variety of evils. Sympathy for the favorite nation facilitates the illusion of an imaginary common interest in cases where no real common interest exists, infuses into one the enmities of the other, and betrays the former into participation in the quarrels and wars of the latter without adequate inducement or justification." (George Washington, Farewell Address, 1796)
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Ray McGovern works with Tell the Word, the publishing arm of the ecumenical Church of the Saviour in Washington, DC. He was a CIA analyst for 27 years and is now on the Steering Group of Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (VIPS).
This article first appeared at Consortiumnews.com.

87 Comments so far
Show AllThis is why people like Mrs. Clinton, Giuliani and McCain are so dangerous because they are puppets of Israel ready to sacrifice their own country's true national security interests. They are as nutty as the Christian Zionists who back Bush and Cheney and must be stopped.
I pledge allegiance to the star spangled butcher's apron of the United States of Atrocities, and to the theocracy for which it stands, one homeland under surveillance, with oppression and injustice for all.
"...I'll tell you what I think the real threat is-it's the threat to Israel. And this is the threat that dare not speak its name…the American government doesn't want to lean too hard on it rhetorically, because it is not a popular sell."
It is not a popular sell, huh? As we are instructed that Clinton is it, we are led to believe, due to war-mongering nationalism, ignorance or indoctrinated guilt over the Holocaust, that the US rallies to Israel.
It is not a popular sell, so they bury it. Beware the word getting out.
I am sure Iran wants to be turned into a cinder. If they did have nuclear weapons, the leader there does not strike me as a total madman. If he used them he must realize his country would be a cinder within hours, if not minutes. The same for North Korea, or anyone else for that matter, no one wins, no one walks away the victor, it is all insanity.
The Irgunist occupiers' manipulation of fundamentalists, whose text is to the American Nationalist Version of the Old Testament (the Beatitudes are wholly without meaning to Bush), by through their subsidized agents in the US, is as unapologetic & shameless as their shooting of children.
The tears of a Bush, papa or baby Bush, are omens of destruction for everyone else.
Nothing showed more plainly the ignorance of the American people then in the recent Republican debate, when Ron Paul spoke the truth that they are over here because we are over there, and Rudy Giuliani said "he had never heard that one before", and people gave him around of applause.
That shows the arrogance and ignorance of not only our politicians but also of the people that vote for them. Rudy Giuliani is of course also a liar ! He of course as heard that one before, but it is not a popular sell with the flag wavers over at FOX!
This is very much becoming Cold War 2 for the USA and may go further with this bunch of psychopathic lunatics in power. Remember the myth of the Red October?
A new super nuclear missile submarine that ran completely silent with a new drive system and a sound baffling absorbing hull.
(ie: We have no means of detecting it, but we're sure it's out there, and we know it's still out there because we haven't found it yet!)
They call THIS 'Intelligence Work'? Don't make me laugh.
I often wonder if many other Americans feel as I do. It's as if we are standing at the waters edge during a hurricane. BushCo is the wind and driving rain. No matter what we do to shield ourselves from it,it keeps blowing our umbrellas away and saturating us with the filth that is his tempest.
Countess-- the real danger is that the fundamentalist nuts backing Bushco and the Zionists backing Guiliani and Hillary have the same objective. The return of the Biblical boundaries to Israel. It is for different reasons. but it is their collusion that they have been able to wield such power over our media and foreign policy. Throw in a little corporate greed and you have the disastrous situation we have now.
Some of this 'everything for Israel' stuff gets rather tiresome. That is not to say that it doesn't contain an element of truth. But the important question is WHY Israel matters so much to the U.S. ruling class and its sponsorship of representatives in government.
Does anyone truly believe that, unlike every other instance of U.S. 'manifest destiny' and geopolitical gamesmanship, this one involves some altruistic concern about the wellbeing of Israelis? If you do, you probably also believe that the U.S. entered WWII in order to rescue Britain and Europe from the Nazis.
"Does anyone truly believe that, unlike every other instance of U.S. 'manifest destiny' and geopolitical gamesmanship, this one involves some altruistic concern about the wellbeing of Israelis?"
Well, apparently AIPAC and every other Jewish-American lobbying group seems to think so.
[quote]Vern October 31st, 2007 1:37 pm -- Well, apparently AIPAC and every other Jewish-American lobbying group seems to think so.[/quote]
Coincident interests take on many forms and variants over time. In that context, AIPAC certainly performs its assigned task very well. But I doubt that they're so naive as to attribute their successes to any kind of altruism on the part of those who pull the strings. If they do, they may be in for a very rude awakening some day.
The German people did the most horrible things in the 1940's, but are doing well now. The US has promoted a cold war that served only the interests of the special groups that lived off it in the US and the Soviet Union at the expense of the people, but Russia, the US and the European Union will all do well after those ruinous policies run their course. Israel, and its people who have been encouraged by the US to give up all chances for a stable peace with their neighbors, may not survive their indulgence in messianic fantansies as partners of the all powerful US. I remember arrogant Israeli generals claiming that if they were running the Vietnam war it would have been easily won. Israel may pay the price for its reliance on American imperialism, and may not survive the reaction to its collapse. Being pro Israel in American politics, is being like an adult who supplies an obese kid with all the sweets and fast food he wants to indulge in --- the pro Israel politicians are the worst enemies of the people of Israel.
Hillary Clinton should respond a simple question:
are you representing the interests of the american people or the interest of the warmonger fraction of Israel?
That arrogant confidence as if deja commander in chief, comes from the support of most lethal backers: the military industry.
Not a hero, not a warrior and hopefully NOT the next president of the US.
I think it was Joe Biden in a Democratic presidential debate last evening who pointed out that destabilizing Pakistan with an attack on Iran is a pretty dangerous thing to do, since Pakistan already has the deliverable nukes we are fretting that Iran "might" someday develop. The USA "doing things for Israel" doesn't play well in Muslim countries that have modestly pro-western governments only hanging tenuously onto power.
Daniel David
Yes, I forgot about that.
Biden did make some excellent points about the wider repercussions.
The Israeli security minister made a personal trip to the CoBC studios to be interviewed on the fine public radio show 'As It Happens'
He reiterated all the the remoarks noted above about Iran and how Israel was in danger. He seemed to denigrate the interviewer when she brought up the fact that Israel has Nukes and Iran doesn't..... and so on.
What complete and utter arrogance and , may I say, 'Chutzpah'!!!!!!
Seems like the "Israeli paranoia" will be the excuse for us to go after Iran's oil. Whatever happened to, "Thou shalt not COVET thy neighbor's property?".... So much for "Judeo-Christian Values."
A few comments above Vern suggests that "Well, apparently AIPAC and every other Jewish-American lobbying group seems to think so."
Fortunately this is not true of every group. For example Jewish Voice for Peace seems to be rapidly gaining strength and effectiveness. Witness their recent successful campaign to restore the speaking invitation to Desmond Tutu. Witness their offices opening around the country, work with Sabeel, hugely successful Spring conference, etc..
Seems to me vital to expose the falsehood of the argument (promoted by AIPAC and the like) that perpetual war and occupation is in the interests of Israelis or Jews anywhere. Exposing the lies of AIPAC and their unholy alliance with warmongers of all persuasions is a good thing to do. McGovern's article provides good supporting information.
Once again, all of the problems of the middle east - and America as well - are blamed on the Jews. And so it has been throughout the centuries. A reasonable person would think we would have learned something.
And I resent the following comments posted above:
1) "Nothing showed more plainly the ignorance of the American people then in the recent Republican debate...."
I'm an American and I do not support any Republicans. The author is sadly mistaken. If you believe that all Americans back the Republican agenda, then you obviously don't live in America, and so your opinion really cannot be considered viable. You must get it out of your mind that all Americans support Bush and the Republicans.
2) "They are as nutty as the Christian Zionists who back Bush and Cheney and must be stopped."
Is this to imply that all Christians back Bush and Cheney? If so, again, the author is sadly mistaken. What experience with Christians in the US does this author have to make such a claim?
Folks, if you don't know what you're talking about, please don't post. It doesn't help.
America is surely blessed with nitwits.
Must we suffer the slings and arroz of outrageous misfortune as well?
It is an unholy alliance of two bully-governments, Israel's Likud and the US Bush administration. Both governments participate in genocide and use illegal violence against others to further their illegal aims. Both are violators of the NNPT -- Israel because it illegally developed nuclear weapons and the US because it illegally continued to develop them instead of getting rid of them. Once they did THAT, they had absolutely no standing to protest any other country, including Iran, that wanted to follow suit.
The US neocon mission under Bush-Cheney is to smash any sovereign country that refuses to put US interests before its own. Iran has been on the neocon "evil-axis" list for many years, the motive being US future energy needs and Iran's (and Iraq's) ownership of oil fields, which the Bush administration fully intends on confiscating, one way or another.
The Israeli Likud's motives are different. Their mission is and has been to illegally wrest land from Arabs in the region, unsatisfied with what was given to them after WW II. That displacement of the Palestinians was not happily received by them, but eventually they would have accepted it and gone on with life. But it was not to be when the fundamentalist Israeli political factions determined to take ALL of the region that they thought was "theirs", and have continued to do that. The only way to maintain their position after such violations of international law and human rights is to be the sole nuclear nation in the midEast, a threat to those who would attempt to stop them.
So the motives for smashing Iran are not the same for the two countries, but the alliance between the current Israeli Likud government and the Bush administration serves the purposes of each.
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But there's one BIG hitch to this picture if the US plans to use nuclear weapons against Iran. (Bush says he's gotten the go-ahead to use them, though from whom isn't clear.) The countries in the midEast are so (relatively) small, any nuclear attack on them by Israel or the US would likely kill Israelis, American forces still in Iraq, and people in all of the neighboring countries. Nuclear attacks kill millions and make wastelands of thousands of miles.
Here's one writer's "worst case" scenario for an attack on Iran written in 2003. I'm sure there are others:
What follows is the unfolding of a worst-case scenario, an imaginary yet all-too-possible depiction of how events might develop if Israel were to attack Iran's nuclear facilities.
Day One: Wednesday
In a pre-dawn raid, undisclosed numbers of Israeli warplanes, taking off from military airbases in the Negev, destroy Iran's main nuclear facility at Bushehr. Israel's armed forces have released no details, but it is believed the planes flew over parts of Jordan, northern Saudi Arabia, and Iraq, refueling in mid-air before reaching their target. Military analysts speculate that the planes must have refueled somewhere over Iraq.
During the one-hour raid, Iran claims to have shot down "several" Israeli fighters. Television images show pilots being lynched by furious mobs before Iranian authorities could reach them. The after-effects of the raid shake the Arab and Islamic world. Millions take to the streets demanding immediate action against Israel.
In planning the attack, Israel weighed the threats of Arab and Muslim reaction. The only other nuclear threat, and a possible danger to Israel, is Pakistan. Israel considered striking Pakistan's nuclear sites, too, but Indian intelligence reports that Pakistan lacks long-distance delivery for its warheads. Bombay is the farthest they can reach. Additional reassurance from American intelligence convinced Israel that as long as Musharraf remains in power, Pakistan does not represent an imminent threat. The decision was made not to hit Pakistan.
Day Two: Thursday
Believing that Israel would never undertake such actions without U.S. approval, or at least a tacit nod from the American administration, Iran retaliates. Thousands of Revolutionary Guards are dispatched across the border into Iraq with orders to inflict as many casualties on American troops as possible. Fierce clashes erupt between coalition forces and Iranians. Within hours, more than 400 U.S. troops are killed, and many more wounded in heavy fighting. Iranian sleeper agents, who have infiltrated Iraq since the downfall of Saddam, urge Iraqi Shi'ites into action. They cut major highways and harass coalition troops, preventing reinforcements from reaching units under attack. Several helicopters are shot down.
Tehran orders the Lebanese Shi'ite movement, Hezbollah, into action against northern Israel. Hezbollah launches scores of rockets and mortars against kibbutzim, towns, and settlements. Israel retaliates. Casualties are high on both sides of the frontier. Tension in the Middle East reaches a boiling point. In Washington, the Cabinet convenes in an emergency session.
Massive demonstrations erupt all over the Arab and Islamic world. Crowds of gigantic proportions take to the streets, ransacking Israeli embassies in Cairo, Amman, and Ankara. American embassies in a number of other cities are burned. With police overwhelmed, the military is called in. Armies open fire, killing hundreds, adding to the outrage.
Day Three: Friday
Following Friday prayers across the Islamic world, crowds incited by fiery sermons in mosques from Casablanca to Karachi take to the streets in the worst protests yet. Government buildings are ransacked, and clashes with security forces result in greater casualties. Martial law is declared, and curfew imposed, but this fails to prevent further mayhem and rioting. Islamist groups call for the overthrow of governments and for immediate military action against Israel.
In Saudi Arabia, Islamist militants engage in open gun battles with security forces in several cities. The whereabouts of the Saudi royal family are unknown. In Indonesia, Malaysia, Egypt, and a dozen other countries, crowds continue to run amok, demanding war on Israel.
Day Four: Saturday
A longstanding plan to overthrow Musharraf is carried out by senior Pakistani army officers loyal to the Islamic fundamentalists and with close ties to bin Laden. The coup is carried out in utmost secrecy.
Pakistan's intelligence service, the ISI—a long-time supporter of the fundamentalists—in agreement with the plotters, takes control of the country's nuclear arsenal and its codes. Within hours, and before news of the coup leaks out, Pakistan, now run by pro-bin Laden fundamentalists, loads two nuclear weapons aboard executive Lear jets that take off from a remote military airfield, headed for Tel Aviv and Ashdod. Detouring and refueling in east Africa, they approach Israel from the south. The crafts identify themselves as South African. Their tail markings match the given identification.
The two planes with their deadly cargo are flown by suicide pilots who, armed with false flight plans and posing as business executives, follow the flight path given to them by Israeli air traffic control. At the last moment, however, the planes veer away from the airfield, soar into the sky and dive into the outskirts of the two cities, detonating their nuclear devices in the process.
The rest of this scenario can unfold in a number of ways. Take your pick; none are encouraging.
Israel retaliates against Pakistan, killing millions in the process. Arab governments fall. Following days of violence, Syria, Jordan, and Egypt succumb to Islamist rebels who vow open warfare with Israel. The Middle East regresses into war, with the fighting claiming hundreds of thousands of lives. A much-weakened Israel, now struggling for its very survival, deploys more nuclear weapons, targeting multiple Arab capitals. The Middle East is in complete mayhem, as the United States desperately tries to arrange a cease-fire.
This was all a bad dream, or rather one writer's dark vision of what might happen if the current situation is allowed to continue unchecked. What precisely are the chances of any of this coming to pass? The probability of Israel striking Iran is very real. That could happen at any moment. As for the rest, there is really no way to know what will ensue once the demons are unleashed. Events could unfold as described above, or they could develop a bit differently, give or take a nuke or two. Whatever the outcome, it will not be good.
http://www.amconmag.com/2004_09_13/article.html
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[quote]anney October 31st, 2007 2:42 pm -- So the motives for smashing Iran are not the same for the two countries, but the alliance between the current Israeli Likud government and the Bush administration serves the purposes of each.[/quote]
PRECISELY! That's what I meant (above) by coincident interests. You've got it exactly right.
From the article "Anyone aware of Iran's ability to retaliate realizes this would bring disaster to the whole region and beyond."
From an article in counterpunch yesterday, www.counterpunch.com/rudmin10302007.html
"The USA has over 300,000 military and support personnel in the region around Iran, all of them now the target of 11,000 (Iranian) missle's on hair trigger."
I'm not sure who Rudmin is and how he knows that but assuming he is correct and, as Ray McGovern implies, Iran retaliates on US ships, troops, and bases in the region. Wouldn't that kind of response play into the hands of Cheney Cabal Inc.? justifying their initial preemptive strikes and giving them the power to mobilize an angry American population for greater conflict?
rebelnow
Excellent report!
Fools and mad dogs threaten the world today...
In addition to the possible scenarios sketched by anney above, I would say that another highly likely consequence of an attack on Iran is a complete blockage by Iran of the Straits of Hormuz, throttling all Middle Eastern oil exports. President Hugo Chavez of Venezuela, who has at least an informal mutual defence pact with Iran, may then cut off his oil exports to the US. He may also change the oil payment system from being dollar-based to euro-based; the Middle East oil states would be unable to do a thing, as a result of the Hormuz blockage. China will ditch its dollar billions as will other foreign holders of the greenback. The dollar, already in freefall, will probably collapse totally much like the Italian lira after Mussolini. The world economy would also crash. This is madness, absolute madness!
Not to overlook the role this weasel continues to play--
http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/66392/
"…his conclusion that Sharon had Bush "mesmerized;"
Ariel Sharon was a fox compared to the dry-drunk Bush with a history of personal failures. Mesmerized is an understatement when we consider Sharon's statement that "Americans will do what we tell 'em to do." Wow, what an assertion from the position of power. It's possible that Sharon had actually Bush "blackmailed" because Sharon knew the real story behind the 9/11 attack.
"…so will most of our spineless lawmakers."
Spineless is the wrong description. They've sold themselves as whores to a foreign entity called AIPAC. That's what they are, whores.
nightwatch
I think there would be massive protests worldwide, including in the US. Is this why the Bush administration has built those 700 or so detention centers? Only recently have I come with reluctance to think they were built with criminal intent toward Americans themselves.
And yes, there have been many warnings about a blockage of the Straits of Hormuz if Iran is attacked and the ensuing collapse of first the US dollar and then many economies in a domino-effect. I can't even begin to imagine that scenario.
We don't know what's really going on with the military, though I suspect that many will just refuse if a nuclear attack on Iran by the US is ordered.
But even without the use of nuclear weapons by the US or Israel, prospects in the event of an attack on Iran look very grim.
I just read "The Israel Lobby and US Foreign Policy" by John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt. The lobby is not the sole reason for the drumbeat for war but it seems to play a huge role.
Here's an excerpt, www.lrb.co.uk/v28/n06/mear01_.html
Good article Ray. Israel is also our colony, our military base in the Middle East for which we pay grandly. American jew's support and our economic aid have made us cojoined twins led by ours and their neocons. Israel can always be counted on to counter UN security council votes in favor of our "enemies" and Israel can count on us to vote against theirs in each case, defeating UN resolutions like "we" (U.S., Israel and two tiny colonies wholly dependent on Bush/Congress' aid) defeated the one on Cuba yesterday 184 to 4.
It used to be common knowledge that Israel was an American proxy-state. But I think it's the other way around.
Apparently Bush didn't learn anything from his Jesus moment. What would Jesus think of the Bush statement, – "Sometimes a show of strength by one side can really clarify things."
Like how the Romans tried to settle things?
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Treacherous Alliances" Trita Parsi.
our entire human race is being mocked by a deceptive line of thought surviving since the holocaust. Jewish citizens were savaged with the approval of their own rotschild etc pack.Greed lust and lack of morals are not characteristics of an entire culture but yes the perfect definition for warmongering clinton and her best friend: nuclear Israel
The collapse of the US Dollar is already happening, just in very slow-motion at this moment. Today's fed rate cut acelerates that collapse. It is this slow motion collapse that causes Wall Street to oppose any military action against Iran, as it knows such will lead to a very rapid financial collapse that will cause losses no governmant will be able to bail it out of. It is far better to have a slow, managed collapse, one that might end in an upturn, rather than a collapse into the equivalnet of a financial black hole--the wholesale bankruptcy of Wall Street. The US has itself by the balls.
[quote]karlof1 October 31st, 2007 4:21 pm -- The US has itself by the balls.[/quote]
The image is quite amusing, but nonetheless accurate for that.
I'm not so sure, however, that those rational concerns will actually prevail in the circumstances. The war drums are beating so loudly (and getting louder every day) that I can't help wondering if some part of the underlying motivations is being overlooked.
Clearly AIPAC is powerful, but how much of the the neocon agenda can be attributed to their lobbying (versus other considerations)? Last I checked opensecrets.org for pro-Israel PAC's, the figures just didn't seem high enough to bribe/influence politicians. Unless they come fairly cheaply.
More likely, the controlling interests of the MSM, M.I.C., Big Energy, etc. have far more money at stake, switching hands, etc. For instance, someone sends a tremendous amount of money the way of the MSM if they report favorably on X, but totally ignore Y. The candidate him/herself may actually not see much of that money. Is something like this the vector of influence suggested in this article?
Certainly there must be something, also, to the Bilderbergs, Trilateral Commission, CFR, PNAC, etc. who apparently have their own agenda, with some overlap with AIPAC.
This is a global and organized effort, involving large banking interests and the MSM. It would be ludicrous to blame it all on the leadership of a country as small as Israel's. Indeed, if any sufficiently powerful power-broker was left out of the bargain, it might throw the arrangement into disarray. There's something in Iran for several interests, but ordinary Iranians and Americans will pay dearly for psychotic greed.
Arvy
== I can't help wondering if some part of the underlying motivations is being overlooked.
With heavy pressure from the Likud government made afraid of its neighbors, particularly Iran (which it recently attacked without provocation) by its own violent actions toward them, residing in a sea of Arab hostility that could become overwhelmingly violent, and Bush's belief that he plays a messianic role vis a vis Biblical Armageddon in the midEast (don't forget that -- Bush is nuts), and Cheney's lust for neocon war, it is an evil stew of seemingly unrelated motivations all aiming for the same end.
The question is-
Is Isreal a satillite of the USA,
or
is the USA a satellite of Israel?
Either way, the flags of one or the other countries need a new 5 or 6 pointed star...pronto.
Paul Bramscher
== More likely, the controlling interests of the MSM, M.I.C., Big Energy, etc. have far more money at stake, switching hands, etc.... This is a global and organized effort, involving large banking interests and the MSM.
But what advantage to large banking interests or any of the other agencies you mention would the consequences be for an attack on Iran, if, in fact, wealth based on the US dollar becomes null and void or meaningless? Surely the consequences for all involved would result in less of everything, wouldn't they?
@anney: I'll buy that up to a point. But I still have some deeper puzzlement about the sources of that Bush insanity and Cheney lust. Considering Nixon's fate when he outlived his usefulness, I find it hard to believe that this pair of psychos survives without some very profound supporting factors at play in the larger geopolitical context.
As karlof1 points out, it doesn't seem to make much sense in the purely financial scheme of things, at least not in its likely immediate repercussions. Perhaps the U.S. dollar's world reserve currency stands comes into the picture in some convoluted, longer range calculation. Or perhaps its resources CONTROL (not just oil per se) that they're looking at.
In either case, however, I have a gut feeling that they're just kidding themselves, even if they may be postponing the inevitable briefly. Maybe a brief respite is all they're hoping for as old men with one foot in the grave.
Perhaps we are still trapped in a paradigm that states this is all just too "unreasonable" since even to the moguls of Wall Street are scared of it. But what if the US economy is quite expendable, despite all the talk to the contrary. We have a gargantuum debt, China holds the note, we have a growing underclass who aren't in a very good position to comsume much.... does anyone truly believe that multi-national corporations have even one iota of allegience to the good ol US of A? I think not, folks. They may have already written us off as the soon to be equivalent of a Third World country. The big corporations and the small cadre of individuals who run them have any number of countries they can set their sites on,or retrest to. This current cabal has all but destroyed our moral standing, our ecomomy, and our functioning government. We will be sold off in a "distress sale" to the highest bidder.
Arvy
Maybe we understand well enough the motivations of the visible political players, Israel, Bush, Cheney, etc.
So I'll be interested to see if Paul Bramscher has pulled together enough information to describe what's going on in the larger behind-the-scenes world of "big finance". Or maybe he can point to a good analysis.
There are all kinds of hints, but for me it's difficult to pin it down, or to lace together various hints or thread. I shy away from the wildly-speculative conclusions I reach, and too often later I find I was wrong anyway.
(We need a Bene Gesserit mentat!)
I agree, anney, that we probably do understand the motivations of the visible players well enough.
It's just a personal inclination to try to see through some of the less visible factors. Probably not critical in dealing with the immediate risks. I think, however, that starofthesea may have a point in suggesting that the U.S. economy has become an expendable commodity so far as those at the topmost rungs of the ladder are concerned. If we knew that for sure, it might have some beneficial impact on the intermediate levels.
To the victor, go the spoils.
Nightwatch, karlof1...
My son just returned from a business weekend in Montreal, reporting that the good 'ol dollar brings only 95 cents Canadian. Remember when we laughed at the buck thirty or so Canadian we got for our greenbacks?
In 1998 I made my first trip to Germany, basking in the euros I bought for only 85 cents American. Today, 31 Oct 07, der Spiegel shows them costing a buck forty-four.
http://boersen.manager-magazin.de/spo_mmo/
An unappreciated dilemma is that a large amount of US debt is held by the large international finance players, so they have a stake in keeping the casino open, not being shut outside of their control. This is a point about globalization often missed--it's FINANCAL, not industrial. Most of what passes for wealth today is backed by financial thinair--paper--not concrete physical assets. The bubble is currently leaking; war bursts it immediately.
Dmia...2:31 PM...With all due rspect, please re-read the posts to which you refer. You have misinterpreted both posts and taken them out of context.
I read through this entire thread, so I'm a bit late to the party. Just like all the discussions we have had about an attack on Iran, most of us are left with a gut feeling that: (1) An attack on Iran is inevitable (2) Isreal/Likud/Zionists are involved somehow (3)no one seems to be able to figure out what these nut cases are hoping to get out of this.
Here is my ever changing take on the situation:
(1) Since Congress really has no influence on the decisions of this maladministration, their motives, issues, conclusions, or actions are really irrelevant. And the power brokers know it. Watching Reid and (especially) Pelosi tells me that they have gotten in bed with Cheney/Bush so that they will be on the "right" side of power when the shit hits the fan. All the Bush enablers are doing is dragging their heels to slow down the whole Congress to give Bush/Cheney the time they need to set off the inevitable Armageddon that will be set off when Iran gets attacked.
(2) Bush truely is a religious madman. He wants his insane Rapture. And he is definitely taking instructions from his interpretation of what his god wants to get there. And the only way Bush can get his Rapture is by destroying all the Jews in Isreal. Sharon may have thought he was playing Bush, but he was wrong. Bush needs Isreal's cooperation in its own destruction.
(3) Cheney is the mastermind behind this whole thing. And because Bush is so "Good vs Evil", he is easily manipulated by Cheney. Cheney knows how to frame his goals to fit within Bush's paradigm. So what is Cheney after? It ain't just the money. Money is just a means - a bribe for others to join up. He's been working for over 30 years with only one goal in mind - POWER. Raw power. Cheney is the Gengus Khan of our time. And he has set his sites on America - all of it. Dictator for life. Whether he will order an attack on Iran is questionable. I think maybe he will (has) set Isreal up to do that with the understanding that the US will come to the rescue. But he will reneg. Why bother? The Middle East will be a cinder bloc without US involvement. Besides, Russia and China would have to get involved if the US did. Why open THAT can of worms? Besides, he can have Marshal Law declared just based on the blockade of the Hermuz Straights. The only thing left to do will be to "off" Schrub and ascend to the thrown.
(4) The military brass are really stuck between a rock and a hard place. But based on my interpretation of where Cheney is going, he wouldn't mind if the military wouldn't follow Bush's orders to attack Iran. Bush is just a loose cannon at this point. A fairly weird scenerio could be that Bush pushes the big red button, Fallon refuses, and Cheney comes to the recue by having Bush certified as insane.
(5) World Economy/Financial Markets: They all win when the Middle East is purged of all the Jews and little brown people. They can get the oil spigots turned back on in no time. And since my scenerio keeps Russia, China, the US, and the EU out of the action, the markets will only suffer a minor hiccup. Of course, all the regular wage slaves and commoners will be in for a world of hurt, the fat cats will just keep on rolling.
And, there you have it. The Weird World According to the Rebel Farmer!
Paul Bramscher,
While you estimate just how much sway AIPAC, PNAC, and bankers had, and continue to have, in bringing about the Iraq war and the coming Iran war, do not discount Jews such as Rupert Murdoch. His influence alone could have stopped the Iraq war, had he pushed the other way, and should he turn his compass 180 degrees there would be no Iran war. It was he that pushed GWB into the presidency, even after Al Gore won.
Although these wars would not have occurred without the existence of the oil in the middle east, they also would not have occurred without the Zionist Lobby.
Historically, the Zionist lobby in has always been strong and well organised. Although AIPAC was not officially created until 1951, Jewish influence over the US leadership goes back over 100 years. I dont think the Balfour Declaration in 1917 would have passed in Britain without the endorsement of Woodrow Wilson. In 1944, AZEC (American Zionist Emergency Counci) succeeded in getting both American parties to adopt a platform urging Britain, who occupied Palestine, to open the doors to Jewish immigration.
http://icahdusa.org/2007/170