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Rights Groups File French Torture Case vs Rumsfeld
PARIS - Human rights groups have filed a lawsuit in France alleging that former U.S. defense secretary Donald Rumsfeld allowed torture at U.S.-run detention centers in Iraq and Guantanamo Bay in Cuba.
The plaintiffs, which include the French-based International Federation of Human Rights Leagues (FIDH) and the U.S. Center for Constitutional Rights (CCR), say Rumsfeld authorized interrogation techniques that led to rights abuses.
The United States says it does not torture, though it has authorized several methods widely condemned by rights groups such as exposure to extreme temperatures and 'waterboarding', or simulated drowning.
"We will only stop once the American authorities involved in the torture program are brought to justice," CCR chief Michael Ratner said in a statement posted on the FIDH Web site.
"Donald Rumsfeld must understand that he has nowhere to hide. A torturer is an enemy of humanity," he added.
The plaintiffs argue in their filing, which was also posted on the FIDH Web site, that French courts have universal jurisdiction -- allowing them to try foreigners in cases that occurred abroad -- under the 1984 Convention Against Torture.
They said Rumsfeld was visiting France on Friday and called for him to be detained.
"Rumsfeld's presence on French territory gives the French courts the authority to try him, in that he ordered and authorized torture and other inhuman and degrading treatment on detainees at Guantanamo, Abu Ghraib and elsewhere," the FIDH said in its statement.
The Abu Ghraib jail in Iraq hit the headlines in April 2004 when details of the physical abuse and sexual humiliation of Iraqi prisoners by U.S. soldiers were made public, badly damaging the reputation of the U.S. military.
Former prisoners at Guantanamo Bay are suing Rumsfeld and 10 military commanders for alleged torture and violations of their religious rights during their detention there.
The CCR and FIDH have already filed suits in Germany in 2004 and 2006 in a bid to have Rumsfeld tried for rights abuses.
Both were rejected by the courts, though an appeal is due to be heard in the second case next week, the groups said.
The German-based European Center for Constitutional and Human Rights was also a party to the French case.
© Reuters 2007
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Show AllViva la France. Hope they keep the bastard.
LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!! GET HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
YOU CAN RUN BUT YOU CANT HIDE, NEOCONS!!
THERE IS NO SANCTUARY FOR CRINIMALS AGAINST HUMANITY
Hmmmmmm. Possibly new kind of 'no fly' list to be applied to the authors of the old one. I wish.
For justice's sake, I would like to see the French arrest Rumsfeld.
Dancing on a cloud!
Rumsfailed's words are prophetic: "It is easier to get into something than to get out of it."
If the world is fortunate he will be rendered to an undisclosed location, tortured, detained indefinitely without charges or legal counsel and never heard from again.
However, he may find "old Europe" more civil and compassionate to his new Amerika he and his fossil-fueled neo-con war criminal conspirators have created which no longer has habeas corpus rights.
"These events occurred on my watch. As secretary of defense, I am accountable for them. I take full responsibility. It is my obligation to evaluate what happened, to make sure those who have committed wrongdoing are brought to justice, and to make changes as needed to see that it doesn't happen again. I feel terrible about what happened to these Iraqi detainees. They are human beings. They were in U.S. custody. Our country had an obligation to treat them right. We didn't do that. That was wrong. To those Iraqis who were mistreated by members of U.S. armed forces, I offer my deepest apology. It was un-American. And it was inconsistent with the values of our nation." – Donald Rumsfeld
There are known unknowns and unknown knowns. The known known is that he's a war criminal. Where's the guillotine when you need it? He must be taken into custody by a country that still has capital punishment.
Let's see if Rummy has the balls to challenge the French. I'll be surprised if he actually goes to France.
Here's hoping there's some justice somewhere in the world as there is no justice in today's America.
Hurrah!
I was hoping something like this would happen since the US is legislative hamstrung by the Bush administration, but I didn't anticipate its happening in France. I hope they lay out the entire sordid brutal mess for the world to see, and I'd love it if Rumsfeld squealed on Bush and Cheney to save his own hide.
In my dreams, I see the whole lot of them frog-marching into prison, at the very least.
Wasn't it an American judge who said that torturers were enemies of humanity?
Miss Liberty smiles and nods.
At least someplace remaining on the planet is willing to identify and seek to stop the Winnetka NAZI. Thank you, Paris!
Remember also how a while ago the Nazi Bush Cult was demonizing all things French, forgetting that Our Revolution in many ways was one with the French Revolution, Franklin hobnobbing with the French regularly. Miss Liberty standing in the harbor in New York is far more than just a pretty decoration to look it... she symbolizes the very ideals on which the US government was founded and strove for at birth.
The spirit of French democracy and the spirit of American democracy have been one since their births, and Let Not the international corporate BushNazis destroy that truth.
France and the USA fought together when the old European aristocratic machine retired to and built up its new bastion in conservative Germany, forming its Military Industrial Complex (friends of Prescott Bush) that struck out to destroy Europe in WW1 and again in WW2.
The pro-Nazi Bushes were among the Americans who welcomed Gestapo to train our early CIA agents, only to create what the highly non-partisan Eisenhower, in shock, eventually identified as the American Military Industrial Complex, centered largely in Texas, later egging Lyndon Johnson on in the Vietnam War, with profits going to ??????
For 3 generations, the Bushes have worked hard to bring Fascism to rule America and now they've done it.
Will it last? There are reports of a new Blackwater/Scharzwasser training camp sneaked into southern California attached to federal assistance for the wildfire victims.
What role does Herr Rumsfeld and his Winnetka Military Contract Network play in that? Does the cryptic "Americans for Prosperity" 'non-profit' cash in on the disaster?
ten to one, he never sees the inside of a courtroom on these charges.
Good news. Bush and Cheney next. And a long rosters of others.
I really want no one put in prison--not without prisons being places for rehabilitation. But convictions--yes. And loss of rights to hold public office. They've done enough damage to the world through holding positions of power.
How do you say, "Be sure to shave the back of your neck in the morning?", in French.
This is a person who thought it was OK to torture as long as he didn't get his fingers caught in the testicle pliers.
@dreamertoo
OK, I'm gullible. Are you really Donald Rumsfeld?
If so, you wrote: "As secretary of defense, I am accountable for them. I take full responsibility. It is my obligation to evaluate what happened, to make sure those who have committed wrongdoing are brought to justice, and to make changes as needed to see that it doesn't happen again."
Taking responsibility doesn't mean saying you're sorry and then going on with your normal life. Taking responsibility means accepting criminal charges brought against you, trial, and punishment, which of course should be death for crimes against humanity, never mind treason to your country.
So, when are you going to report for punishment?
Waterboard the senile bastard!!!!!!!!
For Spike at 4:31,
Not perfect but close
Pour certain, coupez ta chefe en le dernier's aux cou dans le matin.
Vive la guillotine!
There should be an additional for torturing the truth.
We can only wish!
tenzing, I am in agreement with you about prison. But on the other hand there are some people that are a danger to themselves or to other people and for the safety and welfare of everyone they need to be confined and given humane treatment. It is of my opinion Rummy is one of those people.
I forgot my last line........and let God be his judge!
I wonder if that Rumsfeld quote came after the tv appearance I saw in 2004 in which he repeatedly lamented the fact that our soldiers had cameras and listed some forms of abuse he thought acceptable. I happened to catch it and was shocked that Rumsfeld was such an evil fool. The next week, he changed his tune. I'd think a recording of that would help prove the case. The public did not see all the photos or some video that were considerably worse. I read but don't know that a withheld video showed screaming little boys being sodomized before their horrified mothers. It was supposed to be a method of getting the mothers to talk. And BTW, at least a few of those prisoners died from the treatments they were given. Just an oops now and then. Hypothermia can kill you. They didn't really mean it.
You torture with the army of interrogators you have not the army of interogators you wish you had.
since 1492: He went to France. That's what started it.
First of many to come!
Wouldn't be neat if someone hired some former Blackwater guys to take Rummy to the police in the place that has declared him a war criminal??
Mercenaries are available to anyone with money.
OREZ_ENO, I was just quoting him; I've lost track of the website I found that on; sorry.
Get that war criminal. Viva Michael Ratner of Center for Constitutional Rights.
I bet they let him into Canada, the Peace loving country, yet war protesters are turned around.
I was tortured...I mean "interrogated" or "rendered" at age 13 for 3 days, I especially enjoyed:
The vice grips clamped on my knuckles.
The ice pick thrust up my rectum.
Matches lit and put out on my arms.
Raped.
Strangled for minutes at a time.
I want to thank the Bush administration for clarifying what actually happened to me, all these years I thought I was tortured and the whole time it was "interrogated" or "rendered"
You fucking Nazis.
This reader hopes Rumsfeld is found guilty and hung.
I would be proud to donate my backyard tree for his execution.
I have heard that Oliver Wendel Holmes would not allow the word 'justice' spoken by lawyers in his court room. His reasoning was that the term was vague, non-specific, abstract, and only served to confuse the specific concrete situation being considered.
I think he had a point. Rummy is a war criminal. Common decency demands that this fact be acknowledged, preferably by Rummy himself, and since that is not likely, by every government on the planet, especially ours.
I'm sorry for what happened to you Golddogs. Your story will become more common in the next fifteen months---maybe more common in the years to come if the quest for ever greater corporate profits is allowed to take it's natural course.
Corporations have us all by the balls and it is only a matter of time before our hearts and minds follow---a la 1984. Every time we express the vain hope that somebody will come along to rescue us we give away a piece of ourselves. We can no longer afford it. Our ability to act on our own behalf is already severely compromised.
If anybody is waiting for the time to act---now is the time.
Look at the spots on the back of Rummy's hand. In old age we all reap what we sow. I hope Rummy is sufficiently in touch with reality to regret what he has done. Each of us create our own heaven and hell like Marley's ghost in Dickens: "I wear the chains I forged in life, link by link, yard by yard..."
But then again of course a shallow soul can never suffer as a deep soul can.
If Rumsfeld is not held accountable, who will? It was an unlawful act in violation of US and international law, and it happened in his department under his watch.
Do you think Rumsfeld should be held responsible for torture?
Vote now on: http://youpolls.com/details.asp?pid=805
When you act, act with kindness; feel the pain, don't pass it on; that's the mistake Rumsfeld made; make different mistakes in your life, ones that won't destroy it.
JUDGE: "and how does the tribunal find the defendant, Rumsfeld?"
TRIBUNAL FORMAN: "We, the International Tribunal, find the defendant GUILTY of all 70 charges, and most especially that of 'Crimes Against Humanity' and 'Treason'."
JUDGE: "and what sentence do you, the tribunal, impose upon this defendant, Rumsfeld?"
TRIBUNAL FORMAN: "We the International Tribunal level the following sentence: The Defendant is to be hammered"
Council for the Defendant: "Your Honor, could the Court be more specific?"
JUDGE: Certainly; .....................Ball Ping.
The Bible says to respect our leaders, but we also have to try to obey God as best we can, and sometimes the two come into conflict. Who do we obey then? It is a no brainer, and people like this should be arrested and tried for crimes against humanity.
We need to let the Dems know that they too will be held complicit for crimes against humanity if they allow the criminals they should be removing from office to attack Iran!
Pelosi categorizes those of us wanting impeachment to happen to all of these PNACzis, as the extremists, unwilling to go the impeachment route, but gee, us "wild left fringe" folks, asking merely for law to be upheld, wanting action against WAR CRIMINALS, for God's sake. The rest of the war-mongers need the same as what Rumsfeld met up with, badly, before we lose our whole Constitution, Bill of Rights, and who knows what else? Pelosi has no integrity, honor, or interest in the will of the people, if she does not do something about the WAR CRIMINALS running our country.
http://www.petitiononline.com/iraqwmd/petition.html
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/politics/article331780.ece
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3524133.stm
These legal moves started back in 2004. In spite of the outward attitude that these are the ramblings of "extremist liberals" out to muddy the debate; make no mistake, IT DOES BOTHER THEM! The knowledge that most of these war-criminals will not be tried until after they die should make us pause and reflect on the system we all buy into. We should campaign for as many governments (and legal jurisdictions) as possible to, at least, register these people as KNOWN war-criminals, creating an ever decreasing circle of security and freedom of movement around them.