Um the American taxpayer ATM machine is out of cash I thought! The dollar is in rapid decline, the dow is going to take a massive plunge soon, domestic programs have been cut to shreds, and the housing bubble has burst. WTF?????

Done deal.

Bush has no problem bleeding the tax payers for money for HIS war, but a fraction of that amount is too much for children's insurance. Will Congress stand up to him ? No!

Plenty of money for war, but don't give too much to help protect the health of our children.

What happened to America ??

Congress "doesn't have enough votes" to stop the bill from being written....err....vetoed....ah....something. What will they come up with this time?

Hmm....vetoed the S-Chip then asks (demands) another gazillion dollars for his wars.

The Democrats will now hang their collective heads and say um..ok.

Next week they (the Dems) will go on the newsmaker Sunday shows and cry that they did all they could.

Thank you Ralph Nader and Ralph Nader voters for providing covering fire in Florida so that the Republicans could steal the election in 2000. We all know that Al Gore would have squandered billions of dollars attacking Iraq in response to an attack launched from Afghanistan by mostly Saudi Arabian terrorists. Nice job.

Okay Congress prove to us that you can be effective: STOP FUNDING THE WAR!!!

It's time we starting taking a serious look at "W"'s mental condition. He obviously doesn't know the difference between right and wrong and has no conscience. In a perfect world he'd be in a facility receiving treatment. Clarence Thomas could be his roommate.

Flanked by verterans and family members of fallen soldiers- what a PR scheme. We should use the same technique to argue for ending Bush's stupid, illegal and murderous wars which do nothing

This headline made me sick to my stomach because I know the Democrats will give him everything he wants for his illegal war.

I may have to take up tatting (a lost art) to save my sanity...

Another "OBL" audio came out. Interesting that they just happen to come out at critical times for Bush's funding.

Ideally, this bill should be voted down totally. Start bringing the troops home. Shut down most of the 700 bases overseas.
Shutdown the mercenary gangs like Black water. etc.etc.

However, since the Democrats would never along with that idea, perhaps this might work:

An ammendment to this funding bill:
Reduce that $189 Billion by $35 Billion, redirect $35 Billion to the child insurance bill just vetoed. Tie them together.
Call it the "Swords into Ploughshares Ammendment"

"Thank you Ralph Nader and Ralph Nader voters for providing covering fire in Florida so that the Republicans could steal the election in 2000. We all know that Al Gore would have squandered billions of dollars attacking Iraq in response to an attack launched from Afghanistan by mostly Saudi Arabian terrorists. Nice job."

Mr. Chimp,

Yes we all know that Al Gore would have done the same thing as you because, after all, you two belong to the same two-party "system".

Don't thank Green voters for putting you in the driver's seat, thank your buddies the Dumbercraps who allowed your buddies to steal the elections and who continue to write blank checks to fund your criminal enterprises.

the greens and nader have nothing to do with the the present administration and EVERYTHING to do with trying to change the "system" which is nepotistic and criminal.

give credit where credit is due!!!

love,

hd

Jerry1208, you may have the best option in our extremely imperfect world. If we just could add a troop reduction provision to the appropriation bill maybe we'd make a dent in the war machine.

Doesn't it feel like our so-called leaders are intent on destroying our nation? Bush logic is insane, unless . . .

Thank you hellodarling, well said

Not a dime more. We shouldn't be there. Money talks. Bullshit walks. Watch Congress walk. I won't vote for anyone who votes for this additional money. I pledge to work hard against democratic collaborators. This is insanity and profits only Halliburton et al. How much money can these greedy bastards pilfer before we put a stop to it? How evil and stupid does an administration have to be before they are impeached? I guess we're about to find out.

I propose we just give Bush and his pimps all of the money in the treasury, including the social security fund, next year's taxes, all the sales taxes from every state, and finance any island of his choice, not American owned, in return for him and his criminals (you know who you are) just going away. The American economy and all social programs could and would recover from absolute zero without the neo-cons much faster and safer than we can with them here. I know I know, just another optimistic pipe dream like peace or sanity...

**"Another "OBL" audio came out. Interesting that they just happen to come out at critical times for Bush's funding."**

I also found it interesting that OBL mentioned that it is time for all to unite under one Islamic nation and not follow specific groups or leaders. This makes justification for the "War on Terror" and even a strike on Iran more plausable for Bush by stating that the enemy is everywhere, not just in Iraq.

This isn't to be funny. But seriously: What would Bush have done with his 8 years if it weren't for OBL?

Single-payer health care?

Harry Reid replied that this "is not a rubber-stamp Congress." Yawn, yawn, yawn. See you at the bill signing.

This is taxation without representation! No money for more war, Democrats! Wake up Republicans - you're bringing this country to ruin. What the devil is wrong with you? Why did you run for Congress? To give our succeeding generations death and poverty because of these assinine wars?

Why don't you all go home and stay out of politics. You are doing no good.

Nader in 2008!
I'll vote for him even if he isnt on the ballot.
The only worthy candidate.

This is the taxpayers subsidizing the oil companies. Their greed started this whole mess, we went to war to seize the resources the coveted, and we won't leave until the Iraqis capitulate and pass legislation that "privatizes" their wealth to the multinationals.

Shameful.

What Bush wants, Bush gets. Democrats in Congress are weak kneed and lack character. They will, again, give our beloved president what he wants and be dumped on once more.

what's it gonna take to turn the tide?
what are we gonna make with our desires and intentions?

"Offer a vibration that matches your desire, rather than offering a vibration that keeps matching what is." (Esther Hicks/Abraham)

claudius,

"Harry Reid replied that this "is not a rubber-stamp Congress." Yawn, yawn, yawn. See you at the bill signing."

No, it's a Please-Screw-us-in-the-arse-again Congress.

I'm begging you, Nader...YOU can win this one. Get Kucinich as your running mate.

It's going to take millions in the streets to stop funding this war, to abolish the Federal Reserve System, incarcerate the perps behind the 9/11 false flag fiasco and restore this nation to the people. ANY TAKERS?

Well, folks, here it comes, get ready. The Democratic Party Scapegoat & Slander machine is already greasing up the big guns to attack and attempt to destroy any and all dissenting progressive parties or candidates who dare to take a stand for REAL DEMOCRACY and an end to the warmongering of the corporate-imperialist duopoly in 2008.

I can see commander_n_chimp and his CD troll buddies now, standing together in a corner, stamping their feet, and whining like spoiled children, "But we ARE better than the Republicans! But we ARE better than the Republicans! Can't you see?!"

Oh my, my, my! We have for "leaders" a sick pack of lost losers who missed the fundamentals of how to get along with others in a sandbox. All they know is "me" and "mine!" All they want is... EVERYTHING!!!!

This has become a bottomless pit and this cowed Congress we have cannot muster the courage to stop it. This bunch would have ridden Enron to the bottom.
It's time not only for the troops to mutiny, but also the American taxpayer.

Listen President Bush, you've allowed Wall Streeters to rape the markets, and when the markets cave in from their abuses, you guys turn around and give those money changers the keys to to vault with unconscionable bail-outs....... GET THE MONEY FROM WALL STREET.

Today California literally is going up in flames from the Mexican border to as far north as Point Magoo in Ventura County, and from the coast to the Inland Empire of San Bernardino County - a huge area. Hurricane force winds are driving fire through a landscape parched by the worst drought on record and in temperatures nearing triple digits. The air is heavy with ash and smoke. Climatologists are saying they have never seen anything like it. Nero fiddles while Rome burns and history repeats itself. And yet, I think that it is a good thing that the U.S. is destroying itself. We have become a malignant cancer on the face of the planet. We need to be destroyed so that other nations and peoples may have the chance to live in peace and prosperity. Once this country lies in ashes we can begin the work of rebuilding it together in a purer form.

Yes, this is taxation without representation, as ddell413 says. And thomas j hussey is right! Tax mutiny! We are subsidizing oil companies. Government officials are signing away our money, and refuse to hear what the majority of the people in this country are saying. What will it take to stop it?

We should stop paying our taxes. Income tax is the government's main revenue. Half of it goes to military funding (http://www.warresisters.org/piechart.htm). Imagine if everybody who is pissed off about this war spending stopped paying income taxes and instead spent that money on worthy community projects. Please look it up and consider it.

http://www.warresisters.org/wtr_menu.htm

Termite..So, instead of coming together in common cause to fight the evil that besets us, your suggestion is to resign to our fate, bury our dreams, sweep up the ashes and start again. And what will be different THIS time?
I mean, when the "evil" comes again..the greed, avarice, ego and power. Will we relinquish yet again? It's always going to be there and sooner or later we'll have to confront it and NOT GIVE IN!! Why not get in the streets NOW? "And there comes a time when one must take a position that is neither safe, nor politic, nor popular, but one must take it because one's conscience tells one that it is right......MLK

Mr. Rogers says,

"Hello Mr. Congressman, can you say "Hell no, fascist warmonger"? I thought you could... It's a beautiful day in the neighborhood...

-I'm- certainly taking action in the streets. Though I will not say what I have done (here's a hint: the govt is afraid for you to find out).

I'm sure the congressional collaborators will do their job. What happens to collaborators?

OBL has shown himself competent at manipulating the american political brinkmanship. Bush has followed OBL's published strategy(he has never been coy about this) and he knows how the american people react to him. Those tapes come out precisely when Bush needs an extra boost. The CIA has even publicly admitted as much.

A troop reduction amendment on any spending bill is wholly unrealistic. Bush will threaten veto, and Democrats will buckle after making a big show about how they are "sick and tired and not going to take it anymore". Meanwhile, some choice democratic pork will have slipped in during the meeting to reconcile the two chambers bills.

I thought this "war" was supposed to pay for itself with Iraqi oil revenues....

Ireneus is right. The Dems will give him every penny he asks for. Ending the war too soon, they've been told by their fancy over-paid consultants, would hurt them in 2008. They so much enjoyed coming to power on the blood of dead Americans and Iraqis in '06, that they want to see if they can get more power that same way in '08. I love dem Dems!!!!!!

Hi Willybill,
I appreciate the chance to dialogue. No, I don't think we should roll over and play dead. Of course we should keep fighting to restore peace, justice and the planet. But I see so many progressives getting so depressed because our efforts are having no short term effect; i.e. will the dems play dead again on the war funding request? Of course they will. I do believe, however, that our efforts will have a long term effect, but only after this empire has died, as all empires based upon greed and the lust for power inevitably do. The U.S. is in its teenager on steroids phase of life, and that must pass away before a more mature country can evolve. Empires that have collapsed and rebuilt are a bit more sane. Look at most of the countries of Europe in which the citizens have demanded and obtained a more or less working health system, and many other societal benefits, for example. So don't worry, I'm working right along side with you, but I am just not sad that the empire is dying and that I may have to wait a few years to see the results of our labor. I know I was waxing poetically (though obviously not very clearly!) in my earlier post. The irony of the whole southern part of my huge state burning up while Bush and Congress spend our last dime on attacking other countries was just screaming for comment!

It's time that all the Democrats gave a collective finger to Bush, and tell him to burn in hell. They need to grown some balls and stop thinking about what some sociopath neocon thinks about them. They need to think about the damage that this idiot has done to our country. They need to listen to their conscience.

"I thought this "war" was supposed to pay for itself with Iraqi oil revenues…."

Well ... It probably does!

Profit = Income - Expenditure

Or at least it is supposed to, but the equation assumes that the income goes to the same body that the expenditure came from. The trouble is that the Income went to KBR, Haliburton, Blackwater, Enron etc, while the expenditure came from the middle class taxpayers.

How anyone can label the biggest spending administration in history "conservative" is beyond comprehension. What are they conserving? The profits of the war profiteers, the privileges of the rich, the social hegemony of the religious right and their own self-aggrandizing lust for power. These disastrous wars are being financed on credit, to be paid for by our children, grandchildren, and generations ad infinitum. We're also content to hand over to them a badly degraded, almost unlivable planet and a badly degraded constitution. When will the majority of Americans finally say "enough" and take to the streets, the phone lines and the net and make their displeasure clear and cogent to the negligent Democrats and neocon Neandertals in Congress?

"Congress should not go home for the holidays while our troops are still waiting"...to come home!

I hate to say it but I told you so, don't mind my preachin' to you
I said "don't trust 'em, baby" now you know
You don't know ev'rything there is to know in school.
Wouldn't believe me when I gave advice, I said that he was a tease
If you want help you better ask me now
So be sincere, convince me with a "pretty please"

Laugh, laugh, I thought I'd die
It seemed so funny to me
Laugh, laugh you met a guy who taught you how it feels to be
Lonely, oh so lonely

"Bush Asks For Another $189 Billion To Fund His Wars"

Bush never ASKS for anything, he DEMANDS and Congress goose steps in rhythm to his barking orders.

Remember: No veto override is needed. You just tell Bush: No withdrawal timetable; no funding. And, the funding is only to be used to withdraw. (After which you impeach the man.)