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Is the US Just Tired of Bush, or Have Conservatives Had It?
The next presidential election may mark the end of an era if voters associate all Republicans with the present leaders
Like criminal trials or major football matches or fights within marriages, presidential election contests in America are about both stated and unstated matters. The stated matters are the ones the candidates talk about and run on: the mess in Iraq, the terrorist threat, the healthcare crisis and so on.
The unstated questions are the ones candidates are loth to discuss themselves but that aren't too far from the surface and are deeply felt by the partisans on both sides. These have to do with the "mood" of the broader public at election time and with what an electoral outcome "says" about large historical shifts. For example, the British election of 1945 confirmed a desire among voters for social reform so profound that it swept aside a great national hero. Similarly - except in the other direction ideologically - American voters made a statement in 1980 when they voted Ronald Reagan into the White House by a landslide proportion, signalling that one era was over and another one dawning.
Article continues Will 2008 be such a year? The question is on the minds and tongues of many in Washington. Liberals hope that the answer is yes, while conservatives fear that it is (and conservatives seem more uniformly pessimistic than liberals seem optimistic).
But how might we know that 2008 is such a year? Let me offer what I think is the most important undercurrent question of next year's election: have Americans tired of conservatism, or have they merely tired of corrupt and incompetent conservatism?
Modern "movement conservatism" was born in the 1950s. Because its founders, men like William F Buckley Jr and Russell Kirk, claimed as their predecessors not politicians so much as thinkers - Burke, Oakeshott, Hayek and von Mises - movement conservatism had, in essence, no experiential political history. It was a new thing.
By 1964, conservatives were able to nominate one of their own, Barry Goldwater, for president. But it took them another 16 years to elect a president, Reagan. And then it took another 14 years before Republicans led by Newt Gingrich took control of the House of Representatives, for conservatives to seize power at a level below the presidency. In all that time, your "average"- that is, nonpolitical - American had no deeply negative experience of movement conservatism. It wasn't quite the golden age that today's embattled conservatives contend it was; for example, Reagan left office with a lower approval rating than Bill Clinton did.
Nevertheless, most average people found the experience of conservative governance more positive than not: Reagan cut their taxes, stared down the Russkies and made them feel good about their country. Even Gingrich and his cohort, before being laid deservedly low by their obsession with Clinton's sex life, were credited by your average Joe with having cleaned out the Augean stables of Democratic Washington.
Then came Bush. At first things were motoring along nicely, and Bush guru Karl Rove's prediction that a permanent conservative majority was coalescing seemed probable. Now it has all crashed and burned for the reasons we know about. But we still don't know what exactly is that "it".
That is, Americans have now experienced a conservative government failing them. But what lesson will they take? That conservatism itself is exhausted and without answers to the problems that confront American and the world today? Or will they conclude that the problem hasn't been conservatism per se, just Bush, and that a conservatism that is competent and comparatively honest will suit them just fine?
Conservatives and the Republican presidential candidates hope and argue that it's the latter. They largely endorse and in some cases vow to expand on the Bush administration's policies - Mitt Romney's infamous promise to "double" the size of the detention camp at Guantánamo Bay, notably. Like Bush, they vow that tax cuts, deregulation and smaller government will solve every domestic problem. Where they try to distinguish themselves from Bush is on competence. Romney talks up his corporate success, Rudy Giuliani his prowess as mayor of New York.
The Democrats aren't as full-throated in opposition to all this as one would hope - they dance away from the word "liberal" and they don't really traffic in head-on philosophical critiques of conservative governance. That said, though, all the leading Democrats are running on pretty strongly progressive platforms.
On healthcare, energy and global warming, all promise a very different direction for the country. Hillary Clinton has even inched to her husband's left on trade issues. Even given her innate caution and rhetorical hawkishness on foreign policy, it's fair to say that Clinton, Barack Obama and John Edwards are making a forceful case for a clean ideological break.
The rubber will hit the road next summer and autumn. Then the Republicans will tell voters that the Democratic nominee has proposed trillions of dollars' worth of new programmes and will inevitably raise taxes to pay for them. The Democrat will need to stand her or his ground and, while obviously not being cavalier about taxes, present a vision of a different kind of society. There are signs that 51% of the voters may be ready to embrace it.
michael.tomasky@guardian.co.uk
© 2007 The Guardian
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Show AllSomeone said here once: The Fourth Estate is the Fifth Column.
He hit the nail on the head. The MSM has picked the most hawkish of the corporate parties to represent us. If the issues really mattered, we'd see Kucinich or Nader rise to the top. So long as the MSM is able to shape public opinion so effectively, we shouldn't expect any real change. The problem we'll see, I think, is that it'll become increasingly obvious how far apart their pre-selected leaders are from what people's genuine interests are. Hillary won't deliver on single-payer health care any more than the Dems delivered on getting us out of Iraq. On the contrary, they'll probably be leading the charge into Iran.
Faulty premise considering the Democrats consistantly doing the bidding of the Republicans- even when they are the majority.
Hillary Clinton, yeah that's a real shift- someone better bring her up to speed on failing conservative appeal. The Democrats are the new Republicans. The Right has nothing to fret about, in fact, the Clintons will be back for them to pick on again. What do shifts in the population despite the PR blitzes have to do with who wins?
Americans have by and large "had it" with the right-wing but unfortunately there is little alternative beyond delusion withing the lamestream. There is no alternative party that has much chance of overcoming the obstacles of laws set up to lock us out and the electoral process is a joke.
There are enough intelligent and noteworthy progressive to really make a change but none seem to be taking advantage. We need to unite behind an effort to run an alternative ticket and to monitor the polls. We cannot afford to buy into the "lesser of evil" shellgame and reliquish our options because the corporate spinmakers tell us what's possible.
To Ralph Nader:
Incorporate We the People!
Whatever "it" is, "it" is embraced by the Democrats, too, as we witness their supportof Bush's unconstitutional government. So I don't think 2008 will be a new direction AT ALL.
The new government will wear different faces and present the same issues with a different or perhaps more appealing cast, angle, or perspective, but the underlying structure that's wrecking America won't change. It'll still be comprised of gross violations of the constitution and disaster capitalism, with the "disaster" part encouraged by the new government (Iran's the enemy that must be attacked, and everybody at the top of the heap will get richer) and the "capitalism" part humming along quite healthily behind the scenes enriching the disaster-suppliers.
Michael Tomasky, we ALL wish that change were as simple as a shift in political philosophy from "conservative" to "liberal", but that isn't what's in the middle ring of the circus.
Conservatives most certainly have not "had it." Thanks to the last 7 years of tax cuts many of them are richer than ever, and planning via the biggest onslaught of 30 second ads you've ever seen to stay that way evermore.
The only real questions are: Will the not-so-rich evangelical supporters finally realize they were duped in 2000 and 2004 and now bolt? Will the far left progressives stay in the buggy to defeat conservatives, or will they pontificate in la-la land and boycott the elections? Will women push Hillary over the top (IF she's nominated)? Can we get the youth vote (18-29) to show up on election day?
Suggesting conservatism is dying is a loser's game.
"Hillary Clinton has even inched to her husband's left on trade issues."
Mabe in her rhetoric but Corporate donations to her campaign tell a different story.
Lobo Gris
Conservatism, like Communism can't die; ideas don't die, they wax and wane in favor. The "Conservatives" are a part of the "Republican" party which, as we've seen with Giulliani/Clinton is much the same as the Democrat party. The Republicans don't even make up 50% of the voting public, so the "Conservatives" are an even smaller percentage of the electorate than that. The same is the case with the Commie wing of the Democrat Party. All that being the case, I think the real question is that, given a Clinton win in '08, can she win with a large enough percentage of those registered to vote to claim any type of mandate? I strongly doubt that candidates from either party will be able muster enough votes for the the winner to claim much of a mandate which will leave the winner with little political capital at the outset and given the acrimony, even less after the 2010 Congressional elections.
Bu$h, Cheney, Rove, Rice and the rest of the Neocon proponents have ingeniously and speciously exploited in the sickest, slickest, slimiest possible way every weakness, loophole and frailty in the American System of Government. Using every canard, chimera and verisimilitude in their grubby little book. Then have the chutzpah to claim they are true patriots, all done in the name of National Security, while screwing average Americans and the US military for the rent..
Contrary to DD's usual political consultantcy view of existence, political ads don't win elections, candidates either win or lose them by their responsiveness. It was Kerry's idiot campaign consultants who advised him not to respond instantly, fiercely, and indignantly to the Swift Boat shits. Had he done so, they could've run ads 24/7 and it would've made no difference. Likewise, the candidates who were advised that the public was turned off by candidates who were shrill on Iraq all lost.
It's the paid political consultants and campaign managers who empower the MSM, not the other way round; and as long as the vote-consultancy vermin swarm around DC pushing the 'common wisdom' -- i.e., what they & their lucnh-buddies and bedmates decide is politically savvy -- effectively barring any candidate from contact with reality -- all talk of elections is futile.
"The next presidential election may mark the end of an era if voters associate all Republicans with the present leaders."
--Let's for all our sakes hope so!
The Right is just shifting itself back towards the Democratic Party once again. They will be quite in charge having the Clintons back in, and will have the US population deluded for several years thinking that the liberalism has once again won a grand victory over the Right. It's all very sad, and nothing will change this situation until the population just plain gets fed up with all US politics being tied to 2 corporate parties.
glide625
What's the "the Commie wing of the Democrat Party"? The Democratic party has betrayed progressives in its ranks, but I haven't seen any "Commies" in the party since the 1950s, and the majority of those so labeled were the result of mad Joe McCarthy's hysterical accusations.
1. I agree that the Dems haven't done all they can. And it is true they can't break a filibuster. We need to elect enough, probably 9 and 10 for sure next election. And for sure a Dem Prez no matter who. The Supreme court is on the verge and one more conservative on it can undo everything that is still intact. And that will last for another 20 years. I don't contend this is more important than lives being lost isn't the most pressing issue, but it is important to realize that one more wingnut judge and they will overturn not just Roe v. Wade, but Social security, medicare, most large social programs. Remember Social Security only survived by a 5 to 4 vote in the 30s despite a court that at that time was liberal. Think of the damage that could be done, millions of seniors in poverty, no healthcare for them. Medicaid, Schip. If you don't think that the right wingers won't push for all of this as they become more and more emboldened, you are wrong. If you listen to right wing talk, their overall objective is to totally overturn the new deal of FDR, the new society of the 60s and 70s of the war on poverty, medicare, etc.
The electorate in the last 7 years has made the Dems extremely gun shy and the constant lies from prez and repugnets do echo across the land and it is unfortunate that this still resonates in the red states. I live in Georgia and hear the wingnuts exicited that this can occur in our lifetime; Roberts, Alito, Thomas, Scalia are licking their chops for just one more wingnut Supreme court judge and we can begin. Justice Breyer, liberal is 87, Ginsberg, Stevens, and Souter in their 70s DANGER! DANGER! DANGER! Roberts, Alito, Scalia, Thomas, just licking their chops for one more wingnut
We must support the Dems and nurse them along no matter what!!! Don't vote for any 3rd party candidates, don't sign any petitions to get other candidates on the ballot in any state. THIS COMING ELECTION IS THAT IMPORTANT.
REMEMBER DIVIDE US AND THEY WIN!!!!!!.
The 08 election has already been scripted. If you really want change you must take a longer view.
People need to stop just talking and typing. They need to start DOING.
Fixing DC:
http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=D266C9A7CBAE7812
http://Citizens4.us
The last "liberal" President was, God Help Us, Richard Nixon. Since the 70's The Dems have tried to win with Repub-Lite, Triagulation and Lesser-Evilism. There has also been a generous amount of Liberal self-delusion, i.e. Carter and then Clinton were "really" old fashioned Southern populists and they would champion the people once elected and vote Dem in '06 to Stop The War.
The result: The political Center of Gravity keeps moving to the right and the conservative virus has thoroughly debilitated the Dems.
The "progressive" health care reform of Clinton, Obama, Edwards are not real reforms, but rather are designed to side track true reform and protect the interests of the Corporations.
It's time to change. If we want progessive reform we have got to organize, lobby, picket, march, rally and vote for progessive reform.
Cindy for Congress!
"We must support the Dems and nurse them along no matter what!!! Don't vote for any 3rd party candidates, don't sign any petitions to get other candidates on the ballot in any state. THIS COMING ELECTION IS THAT IMPORTANT.
REMEMBER DIVIDE US AND THEY WIN!!!!!!"
This is politics, not a clusterf***. If centrists want progressive votes, they should be including progressives in their plans, not shutting us out. I assure you that they know how the game works, which is why Clinton whispered to Edwards about squeezing the other candidates out of the debates. Do you?
And before someone comes in with a laundry list of all the great progressive things that Clinton is going to do just before they tell me to shut up, two things: 1. track record. 2. I don't respond well to pressure. :)
Not to worry, my fellow GOP pirates and war criminals! Ralph Nader and his supporters from 2000 will surely swoop in again to hand the victory to another Republican. Thank you Ralph Nader. Thank you Ralph Nader supporters! Mission accomplished!
Restive,
I understand your position and am for full progressive movement, single-payer system, unions up the ying-yang, 4 wks vacation, unlimited paid sick leave, etc.
But first we need to stop the wing-nuts. The 06 elections produced many populists, Whitehouse, Tester, etc. We can help increase this, but for now we cannot afford to be divided.
I totally understand the frustration, but a small beginning has been made; a tiny snowball; let it roll downhill and become a huge one. Unfortunatly this is slow and exaspirating. We must stay united behind Dems; remember Al Gore and the bad voting by progressives in FL. We now have Alito, and Roberts, ultra right-wing truly certifiable crazies. We can't allow another one!
dkitching
==We now have Alito, and Roberts, ultra right-wing truly certifiable crazies. We can't allow another one!
The Supreme Court, just as it is, has already confirmed Bush's unitary executive dream by refusing to hear the Khaled el-Masri torture case, honoring Bush's defense of state secrets to defend his illegal policy to block lawsuits about illegal actions.
That's when America fell.
dkitching,
"The Supreme court is on the verge and one more conservative on it can undo everything that is still intact. And that will last for another 20 years."
If you let the Supreme Court last for 20 years, or refuse to toss Alito & Roberts off as illegal appointees of an illegitimate government.
anney,
"What's the "the Commie wing of the Democrat Party"?"
That's probably Jaded Prole, possible COMarc, a few others, and me; except I don't consider myself a member of the Democratic Party.
Notice also the use of "Democrat Party", a signature Bushism.
Dichterfreund
"Notice also the use of "Democrat Party", a signature Bushism."
I did, but decided not to comment about it because it was contained in a ludicrous statement. The word, "Commie", is supposed to be an insult though it has no meaning in American politics today, sort of like "liberal" or "neoliberal" (I don't even know what that one means).
Hillary Clinton is a conservative neocon in drag soooo I still fear the future.
Unfortunately, US citizens may be reliving another Gilded Age. If anyone knows their history, during the GA, a white male citizen could choose between a Grover Cleveland vs. a Howard Taft (though they didn't run against each other).
That wasn't much of a difference.
However, the US's GA was politically different from today because:
1. there was a large Socialist Party. Many midwestern cities elected socialist mayors(i.e., sewer socialists); some state and federal representatives were socialists.
2. there were radical trade union movements like Knights of Labor and the IWW.
3. the Republican Party had a radical progressive wing (i.e., La Follette)
4. the US wasn't a hegemonic power and thus we possessed a very small military
5. our small Navy was in the process of being expanded under Naval Sec T. Roosevelt.
6. Many citizens were still farmers and many joined the Populist Movement in order to protect their way of life.
7. the British pound sterling was the currency of international exchange.
Wow! Maybe the differences between the US's GA and the present are greater than the similarities.
Hmmmm.
Maybe I could use the political situation of late Weimar Germany sliding into Nazism for comparison.
However, there are major differences between late Weimar Germany and the present state of affairs in the US.
Germany's currency wasn't used as the basis of world exchange. Still, by the time Weimar was in decline, the world economy had broken into currency blocs.
Weimar Germany didn't possess a worldwide network of military bases, dependencies and client states. And its Navy didn't have a global reach. (They had no aircraft carriers.)
Damn, damn...where can I find a historical situation that may inform the present?
For example, if we are entering a fascist period, than I could study the politics of Weimar for political guidance. Do I join Homeland Security (i.e., SS) and attempt to establish a "Liberal" wing?
Do I vote for a conservative (an established Democrat) to prevent the extreme Right (any Republican)from continuing its internal and external aggression against the lower-classes of the world?
Of course, what do I do about the problem of widespread electoral fraud?
It's tough living under both a non-responsive political system and a non-investigative (non-muckracking) MSM.
"The Democrat will need to stand her or his ground and, while obviously not being cavalier about taxes, present a vision of a different kind of society. There are signs that 51% of the voters may be ready to embrace it."
If only 51% of voters were enough! Welcome to our broken electoral system..
Dichterfreund:
"all talk of elections is futile."
Oops, there's that too-busy-attacking-to-say-anything-sensible symptom, slipping up on you again.
Daniel David
Fiscal conservatives most certainly have "had it" with the current wave of NeoCons, whose unprecedented expansion of the federal government and the national debt makes them extremely fed up with the current "conseravatives", who aren't conservatives at all, but in reality are radical right wingnut ideologues.
However, they've been so effective at using fearmongering that they have made cowards of the Democrats, who try to posture as "RepublicanLites" instead of true progressives. The word "liberal" has been so thoroughly demonized that no one dares to use it in the context of calling themselves one, lest they are accused of being weenies on foreign policy instead of the hawkish warmongers that are currently in power.
And so, whether we like it or not, the hawkish NeoCons will probably remain in power by using fear to subjugate Americans into voting for their platforms over those touted by "liberals", those dovish weenie peaceniks who want to give aid and comfort to the enemy by fostering human rights over torture and abuse.
I just don't think that enough people have had enough to get their obese rear ends off of their sofas and away from their pop, chips and pizzas, 200 channel satellite flat screen plasma TV's and go do something about it. Americans by and large have become fat, lazy and apathetic and the fact that only 20% (if that) of our eligible electorate actually gets out and votes means that the people who hold offices, be they local, county, state or federal, are mostly elected by a tiny minority of people to rule over the majority of people who didn't elect them.
Voting ought to be mandatory in this country like it is in other countries, and it ought to take place on the weekends when the majority of people are not working. Make it a national holiday so that people don't have to work. I'll bet things would be a lot different in this country if that were the case.
DD
"Oops, there's that too-busy-attacking-to-say-anything-sensible symptom, slipping up on you again."
Since sensible people's predictions never turn out to be right, and almost all of my own have, I don't listen to sensible people, who turn out to be only conventional people.
And history never proceeds according to sensible, conventional, coalitional prognostications.
Reality (multicultural, postcolonial Planet Earth) is running circles around conservative "principles" like a horde of Native Americans coming for General Custer's arrogant ass....To me the question is how much destruction they'll cause by refusing to compromise or give up with any grace. Bush has been a clue of how much. People who believe in delusions have to either face the world and change or force the world to be like their delusions, and the GOP (Romney, Ghoul-iani and the rest) are going to fail in forcing the world to shine their shoes anymore...."A fanatic is one who doubles their efforts having forgotten their purpose...."
"I totally understand the frustration, but a small beginning has been made; a tiny snowball; let it roll downhill and become a huge one."
More like "rolled over the top of," as the millions of people who were cut off of public assistance under Bill Clinton can tell you. This is not a movement, it's a pandering to the potential of one.
i've been trying to find out... does anyone know how often, if at all, Bush's name was mentioned during last nights Republican Debate?
Jaded Prole says it for me:
"We need to unite behind an effort to run an alternative ticket and to monitor the polls."
Absolutely.
All this talk of the 'next election' is going to get old pretty soon. It won't be long before the luxury of such time needed as the 'next' election will not exist. It will be too late. Why wait until the next election to do what we all know needs to be done now?
SIMONHHH: Great prose (and I agree).
SALLY UU KENT: I think a lot of people who tend to vote Republican are extremely disillusioned with the costs of things, lack of health care, jobs going overseas. The only strategy that holds them to the Republican bandwagon is fear... so as others in the forum have already noted, the strategic use of another 911 style false flag event is NOT to be ruled out. When people are afraid they lack logic and they've had drummed into them the IDEA that Republicans are tough and democrats cower. It's of course a lie (as the article on the chickenhawks and Rush Limbaugh aptly explains) but remember, that lies told often enough stick; and our media is largely owned by conservative corporations who do very profitable returns for putting their mouthpieces into TV slots to LIE with varied streaks of amusement to audiences who live such lives of quiet desperation that they are anxious to have someone else to hate, or feel superior to.
dkitching___ I believe you are correct in stating that one more right wing Supreme will turn the tide on most of the social programs that the radical Repulsives want to destroy. The Dims seem so ineffectual in getting things done that it is a bad scenario. However, past times show us that we cannot predict the future well, especially in politics, so we all have to keep trying to get some progressives in power. One thing about Hillary Clinton, she has a lot of guts to run, for better or worse, because the attack dogs will tear her to pieces if she gets nominated.
dkitching:
with the constitution in shreds
does it matter?????
ken
Sally's right. Voting should be mandatory. (Hear the wailing and gnashing of teeth?) One way to do it is to make driver's license and plate renewal contingent on having voted, or to give federal benefits only to those who vote. Why haven't the Dems introduced such a bill when they have everything to gain by higher voter turnout?
If we saw a candidate who actually represented change, there might be more excitement on the progressive front. The desire in the people is there but the politicians want to keep Bush's status quo, from what I can see.
As I have tried to explain to my conservative friends (that listen and subscribe to the derisive rants of conservative pundits and spokespeople who seek to blame everything bad on liberals and claim everything good as their own) there are good conservative values and good liberal values.
The tradition of established culture, the stability of the tried and proven, the strength and conviction of self-actualization, and the independent-minded freedom-from-government idealisms of conservative thinking are important to preserve a sound and reliant society. On the other hand, the realization for moving all of society forward, to accept and integrate diversity, to support and lift the downtrodden, and to know the miracles of possibility and genius of progress that can exist in the far reaches and dark corners of the unknown constitutes the liberal wisdom that has lifted all of civilization to greater heights.
So, can't you see balance is the key? And the "left" and "right" of it are just semantic terms with no substantive meaning. The answer can never be in how political ideologies diverge, but rather in how they converge. The incomprehensibility of rhetoric which speaks to one ideal while accompanying actions going to something completely different (eg, "I am a uniter, not a divider") makes impossible the cohesive union of all a society, whether liberal or conservative.
Democrats have only hurt themselves, and made possible the Republican coup. And both are now vulnerable and exposed as self-serving misguided institutions with little wisdom or passion for a truly happy, healthy and honorable future vision. Way too many self-serving interests – nationalistic, economical, political, and cultural – plague the current state of humankind.
I don't think it possible for all these factions to get over themselves, in order to embrace and empower the greater whole of humanity.