Who's Afraid of Michael Moore?
In Sicko, Michael Moore's new film, a young Ronald Reagan is shown appealing to working-class Americans to reject "socialised medicine" as commie subversion. In the 1940s and 1950s, Reagan was employed by the American Medical Association and big business as the amiable mouthpiece of a neo-fascism bent on persuading ordinary Americans that their true interests, such as universal health care, were "anti-American".
Watching this, I found myself recalling the effusive fare wells to Reagan when he died three years ago. "Many people believe," said Gavin Esler on the BBC's Newsnight, "that he restored faith in American military action [and] was loved even by his political opponents." In the Daily Mail, Esler wrote that Reagan "embodied the best of the American spirit - the optimistic belief that problems can be solved, that tomorrow will be better than today, and that our children will be wealthier and happier than we are".
Such drivel about a man who, as president, was responsible for the 1980s bloodbath in central America, and the rise of the very terrorism that produced al-Qaeda, became the received spin. Reagan's walk-on part in Sicko is a rare glimpse of the truth of his betrayal of the blue-collar nation he claimed to represent. The treacheries of another president, Richard Nixon, and a would-be president, Hillary Clinton, are similarly exposed by Moore. Just when there seemed little else to say about the great Watergate crook, Moore extracts from the 1971 White House tapes a conversation between Nixon and John Erlichman, his aide who ended up in prison. A wealthy Republican Party backer, Edgar Kaiser, head of one of America's biggest health insurance companies, is at the White House with a plan for "a national health-care industry". Erlichman pitches it to Nixon, who is bored until the word "profit" is mentioned.
"All the incentives," says Erlichman, "run the right way: the less [medical] care they give them, the more money they make." To which Nixon replies without hesitation: "Fine!" The next cut shows the president announcing to the nation a task force that will deliver a system of "the finest health care". In truth, it is one of the worst and most corrupt in the world, as Sicko shows, denying common humanity to some 50 million Americans and, for many of them, the right to life.
The most haunting sequence is captured by a security camera in a Los Angeles street. A woman, still in her hospital gown, staggers through the traffic, where she has been dumped by the company (the one founded by Nixon's backer) that runs the hospital to which she was admitted. She is ill and terrified and has no health insurance. She still wears her admission bracelet, though the name of the hospital has been thoughtfully erased.
Later on, we meet that glamorous liberal couple, Bill and Hillary Clinton. It is 1993 and the new president is announcing the appointment of the first lady as the one who will fulfil his promise to give America a universal health-care. And here is "charming and witty" Hillary herself, as a senator calls her, pitching her "vision" to Congress. Moore's portrayal of the loquacious, flirting, sinister Hill ary is reminiscent of Tim Robbins's superb political satire Bob Roberts. You know her cynicism is already in her throat. "Hillary," says Moore in voice-over, "was rewarded for her silence [in 2007] as the second-largest recipient in the Senate of health-care industry contributions".
Moore has said that Harvey Weinstein, whose company produced Sicko and who is a friend of the Clintons, wanted this cut, but he refused. The assault on the Democratic Party candidate likely to be the next president is a departure for Moore, who, in his personal campaign against George Bush in 2004, endorsed General Wesley Clark, the bomber of Serbia, for president and defended Bill Clinton himself, claiming that "no one ever died from a blow job". (Maybe not, but half a million Iraqi infants died from Clinton's medieval siege of their country, along with thousands of Haitians, Serbians, Sudanese and other victims of his unsung invasions.)
Deft and dark
With this new independence apparent, Moore's deftness and dark humor in Sicko, which is a brilliant work of journalism and satire and film-making, explains - perhaps even better than the films that made his name, Roger and Me, Bowling for Columbine and Fahrenheit 9/11 - his popularity and influence and enemies. Sicko is so good that you forgive its flaws, notably Moore's romanticizing of Britain's National Health Service, ignoring a two-tier system that neglects the elderly and the mentally ill.
The film opens with a wry carpenter describing how he had to make a choice after two fingers were shorn off by an electric saw. The choice was $60,000 to restore a forefinger or $12,000 to restore a middle finger. He could not afford both, and had no insurance. "Being a hopeless romantic," says Moore, "he chose the ring finger" on which he wore his wedding ring. Moore's wit leads us to scenes that are searing, yet unsentimental, such as the eloquent anger of a woman whose small daughter was denied hospital care and died of a seizure. Within days of Sicko opening in the United States, more than 25,000 people overwhelmed Moore's website with similar stories.
The California Nurses Association and the National Nurses Organizing Committee dispatched volunteers to go on the road with the film. "From my sense," says Jan Rodolfo, an oncology nurse, "it demonstrates the potential for a true national movement because it's obviously inspiring so many people in so many places."
Moore's "threat" is his unerring view from the ground. He abrogates the contempt in which elite America and the media hold ordinary people. This is a taboo subject among many journalists, especially those claiming to have risen to the nirvana of "impartiality" and others who profess to teach journalism. If Moore simply presented victims in the time-honored, ambulance-chasing way, leaving the audience tearful but paralysed, he would have few enemies. He would not be looked down upon as a polemicist and self-promoter and all the other pejorative tags that await those who step beyond the invisible boundaries in societies where wealth is said to equal freedom. The few who dig deep into the nature of a liberal ideology that regards itself as superior, yet is responsible for crimes epic in proportion and generally unrecognized, risk being eased out of the "mainstream", especially if they are young - a process that a former editor once described to me as "a sort of gentle defenestration".
None has broken through like Moore, and his detractors are perverse to say he is not a "professional journalist" when the role of the professional journalist is so often that of zealously, if surreptitiously, serving the status quo. Without the loyalty of these professionals on the New York Times and other august (mostly liberal) media institutions "of record", the criminal invasion of Iraq might not have happened and a million people would be alive today. Deployed in Hollywood's sanctum - the cinema - Moore's Fahrenheit 9/11 shone a light in their eyes, reached into the memory hole, and told the truth. That is why audiences all over the world stood and cheered.
What struck me when I first saw Roger and Me, Moore's first major film, was that you were invited to like ordinary Americans for their struggle and resilience and politics that reached beyond the din and fakery of the American democracy industry. Moreover, it is clear they "get it" about him: that despite being rich and famous he is, at heart, one of them. A foreigner doing something similar risks being attacked as "anti-American", a term Moore often uses as irony in order to demonstrate its dishonesty. At a stroke, he sees off the kind of guff exemplified by a recent BBC Radio 4 series that presented humanity as pro- or anti-American while the reporter oozed about America, "the city on the hill".
Whiny jealousies
Just as tendentious is a documentary called Manufacturing Dissent, which appears to have been timed to discredit, if not Sicko, then Moore himself. Made by the Canadians Debbie Melnyk and Rick Caine, it says more about liberals who love to face both ways and the whiny jealousies aroused by tall poppies. Melnyk tells us ad nauseam how much she admires Moore's films and politics and is inspired by him, then proceeds to attempt character assassination with a blunderbuss of assertions and hearsay about his "methods", along with personal abuse, such as that of the critic who objected to Moore's "waddle" and someone else who said he reckoned Moore actually hated America - was anti-American, no less!
Melnyk pursues Moore to ask him why, in his own pursuit of an interview with Roger Smith of General Motors, he failed to mention that he had already spoken to him. Moore has said he interviewed Smith long before he began filming. When she twice intercepts Moore on tour, she is rightly embarrassed by his gracious response. If there is a renaissance of documentaries, it is not served by films such as this.
This is not to suggest Moore should not be pursued and challenged about whether or not he "cuts corners", just as the work of the revered father of British documentary, John Grierson, has been re-examined and questioned. But feckless parody is not the way. Turning the camera around, as Moore has done, and revealing great power's "invisible government" of manipulation and often subtle propaganda is certainly one way. In doing so, the documentary-maker breaches a silence and complicity described by Günter Grass in his confessional autobiography, Peeling the Onion, as maintained by those "feigning their own ignorance and vouching for another's . . . divert[ing] attention from something intended to be forgotten, something that nevertheless refuses to go away".
For me, an earlier Michael Moore was that other great "anti-American" whistleblower, Tom Paine, who incurred the wrath of corrupt power when he warned that if the majority of the people were being denied "the ideas of truth", it was time to storm what he called the "Bastille of words" and we call "the media". That time is again overdue.
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© 2007 The New Statesman
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Show Allno hace falta que lo diga michael moore en su pelicula para saber que la gran mayoria de los americanos no sabe situar en un mapa casi ningun pais porque son muy ególatras, se creen el ombligo del mundo. veo que tienen un miedo inquietante al comunismo, al socialismo, pero sabes alguno lo que es eso??? os han inculcado esos temores en la escuela y en la tv, estais pasados de moda, el comunismo como tal ya no existe y las continuas referencias al comunismo que os hacen es para que la ente de america no piense, tema pensar por si mismos sin que el gobierno piense por ellos. escribo desde españa, y debo decir que al ver los ultimos documentales de michael moore he sentido verguenza ajena de vuestro pais y de los ciudadanos que ven como pasan estas cosas y no reaccionan, sois cuba 2, haceis lo mismo que los cubanos, no haceis nada por remediarlo, os ciega el temor, el miedo, os manipulan.
españa tiene sus problemas y sus defectos, pero me parece una maravilla en comparacion con vuestro sistema social.
y lo peor es que estais contaminando a los paises de centroamerica y suramerica, y a parte del resto del mundo.
me dais pena
y cual es la solucion, ?? decir que michael moore es psicoico, que miento, que esta loco...
jajajjaja vosotros si que estais locos, seguid asi y vereis como os va a ir la vida.teneis a alguien que se enfrenta al gobierno, que levanta la cabeza y protesta, pero los americanos no estan acostumbrados a eso, porque eso lo hicieron algunos dirigentes negros y a esos se le callaba facilmente pero ahora es un blanco quien lo hace, y pone en evidencia las deficiencias de la gran superpotencia, sacando a la luz sus desgracias, y mas en la era digital enla que todos los paises se enteran y las ven y cual es la solucion de los pariotas americanos?? en lugar de recapacitar e intentar cambiar las cosas, vuestra solucon es callarse y decir que moore es comunista, antiamericano, etc.... este señor esta haciendo mas por vuesto pais que todos vuestros presidentes juntos-
cobardes
Viva Cuba, the most educated and healthioest folks in the Americas read the truth 'sheeples'
Viva El Frente/Verde
reagan was a sorry piece of shit that was drugged for 8 years and spoke what narco bush sr gave him his lines
what fools people in USA are\
you will get yours
I know this is a progressive board, but I also know there are alot of open minded people on here, go to you tube and search Ron Paul health care.
I once heard of a program where people would pay healthcare providers a regular fee only if they were kept healthy. If they got sick, the payments would stop.
They used to be called HMO's; at least thats how they started out in the early 70's.
They got perverted by money and power.
Not only that, but they have been doing their best, with some limited success so far, to bring America's unsocialized medicine to Canada.
One thing that you need to know about the corporatist agenda - if they lose, they don't pack up their toys and go home.
"In Sicko, Michael Moore's new film, a young Ronald Reagan is shown appealing to working-class Americans to reject "socialised medicine" as commie subversion."
Meanwhile, the Communist Chinese are buying into Bear Stearns, one of the largest financial institutions in this country. What kind of subversion would you call that??? Or should I say: What kind of perversion is that???
khc says: It is easy to see effect when one wants too, that is why scientist use double blind studies when testing medicines and treatments if it is ethically possible.
Me: It is supposed to work that way. The scientific method can be circumvented. If you fool around a bit, you will discover that at one temperature tends to coke taste better than pepsi and at another temperature pepsi tends to taste better than coke. All that the scientific method requires for a taste test is that both Pepsi and Coke be treated eactly the same (including being at the same temperature).
This may seem a small thing, but it is a technicality that drug researchers take advantage of - by only allowing research which shows their product in a positive light to be published and using the rest to help design studies which are less likely to show negative results. For example, if a study they don't want anyone to know about says that the taking the drug increases the risk of breast cancer, you use all men for the next study.
Have you heard of Nancy Olivieri and David Healy? Seems as if you are a scientist getting funding from a drug company and the study shows adverse effects for a certain drug, you are supposed to forget that the study ever happened: When people stuck up for Olivieri for speaking out about what she considered to be serious side effects (liver damage in the case of Deferiprone) Apotex accused any scientist who stuck up for her of sleeping with her.
http://www.umanitoba.ca/centres/ethics/articles/article%2042.htm
CBC
http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/1999/10/05/apotex991005.html
Drug companies also use evergreening to keep their pills from becoming generics longer. There is also a problem with off label use of a drug (approved for one purpose but prescribed for another purpose) - such as Diane-35, which resulted in deaths:
http://www.cbc.ca/consumers/market/files/health/diane/index.html
Just saying that research to determine both the workings of herbs and pharmeceuticals has to be independent and all findings have to be open to the scrutiny - whether they are positive or negative.
Agree that herbs need to be studied both to rule out placebo effects and to discover both under which conditions they tend to work best and what side effects one has to watch out for.
SallyUUKent says: I see more obese people almost everywhere I go and they are costing all of us a lot more in higher premiums because they require much more expensive and extensive medical care.
ME: First one has to look at cause and effect. If one has mobility issues (ie broken hip), one is going to put on weight. Part of the reason is that one is less active so eating the same amount of food will result in weight gain. The other part of the reason is that one is stuck at home after being used to an active life style, one gets bored.
Also most apartment refrigerators suck in one way or another. I had one which only kept milk good for four days and that is if you got it as fresh as possible. Had a small freezer so, in those days, tried to avoid buying food that one could not keep in the freezer or in the cupboard. Also tended to avoid food, except milk and bread, which only stayed good for a short time. Note that you can keep pop in the cupboard for up to 18 months and it is still good, but how long does unrefrigerated milk last! If one lives in a rooming house, though, one may not even have a fridge. If one has nausea (poor air quality at work), one tends towards "morning sickness foods" which may keep you from puking, but are probably not all that nutricious.
If the back of your head hurts every time you use your bottom jaw to chew with, you tend to try to find foods that you can chew without using your bottom jaw (with your fingers and top teeth or your tongue and top teeth). Even if you can't have an egg salad sandwich any more you can still eat cheese cake. Ok, if you are starting to get to that point, you get it checked out, and demand that the doctor do something about it (unless a doctor's visit is too expensive for you). Poverty is also an issue since pop is also cheaper than milk.
Note that the same people who advocate universal health care also advocate better quality housing and better air quality out side so that one doesn't need to stay in doors to avoid the "smog days."
r06ue1 says: Why is there no one starting a non-profit insurance company? This would be private insurance but run in a way in which medicare works today.
The start-up costs would be a bit high and one does need a bit of research as to how high to set the prices. One has to figure out first what one would cover and what one wouldn't. Also, there is a difference between for profit hospitals and non-profit hospitals. Some of the shareholders in the for-profit hospitals may also be shareholders in for-profit health insurance companies and may wish to give any non-profit player some trouble.
Probably work best if a State tries it, or tries it in part and then take over more and more of it. They would have the administrative set up already and would be in the best shape to take on the for-profit lobbyists and the press. Medicare started in Saskatchewan when Tommy Douglas (Keifer Sutherland's grandfather) was Premier.
r06ue1 says:The intended target of these by our government were Christian schools (to our horror) but private Liberal minded schools could just as easily take advantage of these funds too.
All this means is that those with the least money have to pay more to educate their children.
Opinionated: Thank goodness. I couldn't stand Reagan. The whole time he was in office, there were homeless families begging on every street corner on my way to work.
Yet AOL viewers voted Ronnie the Greatest American. I think in Ronnie's case, alzheimers was a blessing - it kept he from remembering all the harm he caused.
ConscienceAmerican, you make a lot of good points. Canada was not hit with the sub-prime mess like the US and UK was: U.S. Mortgage Meltdown (focuses mostly on Ohio):
http://www.cbc.ca/national/blog/video/politicseconomy/clevelands_housing_disaster.html
Think that Shirley Douglas (Keifer Sutherland's mother) was accused of being a terrorists for opening up a day care with the Black Panthers. I think that the accusation was that the daycare was a front to store weapons.
STOP BLAMING THE VICTIM!!! We all know what individual choices to make, and some of us are here to learn more in that respect. There are bigger issues at stake.
So send copies of these types of films and give them to your friends!!!
Yes, Moore is a human being so blah blah blah, at least he (and we) is talking about it.
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militantliberal, workreno,there is no silver bullet, only the many steps in a national march towards freedom
khc, and you're an expert
Cat, don't blame the victim. yes, we all must choose health inorder to be haelthier, but what real control do the (Vast Majority) have when picking food (even nonlocal) living far from pollution, finding a doctor who is not emersed in bigpharma? These big problems need group (national) answers.
(and for my money- universal health insurance, not goverment halthcare)
This is an important piece of journalism and I recommend the movie to everyone. I think this movie should be seen by every Canadian as the multinational insurance companies have been lobbying the Canadian Government for years to allow private health care and private health care insurance in Canada. Many Canadians especially in Albert (my home province) are confused and believe that two tiered system will be beneficial for Canada. We hear every day how bad our health system is and this is a bad news for everyone. Media is brainwashing us and preparing us for a well planned and desasterous change in our health care system.
PLEASE READ THE NEW NAOMI KLEINS' BOOK - "THE SHOCK DOCTRINE" OR THE RISE OF DISASTER CAPITALISM. Incredible book!
amazing how Democrats were able to fool even Michael Moore in 2004, let's see if he wises up in 2008 and votes Green or Independent.
Truth Empowers!
WILL YOU DEFEND OUR CONSTITUTION? OR IS AMERICA & DEMOCRACY FOR SALE?
While watching, Meet the Press, Bill Cosby made a comment stating "If you don't live for something, we will end up dying from anything." I thought about war, healthcare, global warming and crime. I am an African American. I feel as though my husband is one of the hardest working men in American. He is an iron worker. He does not miss a day of work. Through schooling, he is now able to provide our family with a decent income. A blessing that affords me the opportunity to be a work-at-home mom and to pursue a higher education. I need it. My grammar is horrible. Being at home with our younger children, allows me to read more and watch more news. Our country is facing civil unrest at this moment. Think North and South Korea or Suni-Shiiets(not sure spelling). My husband and I debate. He is more the Malcolm X figure. He believes justice does not come about without revolt. I am more the Martin Luther King Jr. type. I have a vision so clearly, and all we need to do is petition our government.
This is discrimination that affects every American. To prove discrimination, first, you must prove either the statement or the action taken against you. Second, you must prove how it affects you. This statement was pointed directly to black people and it violates my constitutional rights. Not only do we have the right to vote. It cannot be used against us. Your vote is you political voice. This is a violation of the 1st Amendment. It is not racism. It is discrimination. This is the first right our country was founded upon. Any individuals in government that violates any right, are unfit to hold their position. We must have people in office with common decency. People who will promote the general welfare of this country. That is Democracy. I, my husband, and our sons were born on American soil. These rights may not have been written for us, but they apply to us. I cannot allow any individual in government the power to violate our rights. George Bush is quoted in saying, "Blacks didn't come out for me like the Hispanics, so they're not gonna see much help from me." This is found in his authorized biography/ autobiography, DEAD CERTAIN, on page 46. Dead certain, funny, that's ironic. Second, the evidence of how that statement today, affects every American. Look on the flip side of that statement, what do you get when you support President Bush. Alphonso Jackson, who is a black man, received government funds for contracts to help Katrina victims. A supporter of Bush, who is now under investigation. A contractor states Jackson told him, paraphrasing, why would you get this contract you don't support Bush? Next, Roland E. Arnall, a major contributor to the Bush campaign. He is now the US Ambassador to the Netherlands nominated by George Bush. Ameriquest Mortgage, Arnall being CEO of, has a Multistate Settlement. A $295 million Settlement Fund has been established to provide restitution payments to certain Ameriquest borrowers; Ameriquest and other affiliated companies had engaged in various unlawful mortgage lending practices. Sub-prime lending is our economic crunch right now. Do I need more than two? Let me know!
How many crony companies will benefit in his administration? How many of these companies are going to be investigated and found to be crooked? How many government funds are misappropriated to these crony companies. How many military contracts? In DEAD CERTAIN, on page 196, it says "The media-they just don't pay attention to the facts they way they used to." These companies show up on your radar in misdealing or they just don't simply do their job. How much money will be pocketed off of America's back? Better yet, how do I address my eleven year old son, who gets an assignment from school to watch the news with your parents, and it provokes questions on why? "Why do oil companies get to make all this money when you can grow and regrow corn? Why can't a hospital help those who are sick? Why are we really at war? Mama, why can't we sell other countries what we have in our country that they need or want? Why can't we buy something from that country or we build something in that country? Everyone can make money." All from the eyes of a child. I am not saying one person can do all these things, but with people, with integrity these things will happen. The innocence of our children; they know race does not matter. They will play all day. The one they dislike is the one who wronged them. It is not until they are introduced to discrimination does race play a factor. Our children need role models, and a certain standard in life. This will cause true diplomacy to work. I have heard George Bush reference God calling him to the presidency. I feel as though that is true. It allows us set a precedent in the highest, elected office of our government that this type of individual will not be tolerated. It is slave-owner mentality to only profit. AMERICA, WE ARE NOT SUPPOSE TO BE WORKING FOR THE PRESIDENT. HE WORKS FOR YOU, AND HE NEEDS TO BE FIRED!!!!!!!!! These companies are just like the President. They act like they don't know what's going on. Until, they take or make all the money. Then they pass the accountability. Consequently, AMERICA, IT IS US THAT PAYS THE BILL. IF YOU WANT YOUR CHILDREN TO STOP ALL THIS NONSENSE. YOU BETTER SHOW THEM WHAT RESPONSIBILITY LOOKS LIKE. SHOW THEM WHAT IMMORAL AND CRIMINAL CONDUCT WILL GET YOU. DISGRACE AND MUCH MORE. NOT THAT IT BENEFITS. ESPECIALLY, OFF THE ANGUISH OF ANOTHER OR THE MISFORTUNE. No one is perfect. Before, we all came to this melting pot, there were good and bad people in every race. But there is a standard. When the Constitution was mastered, there was a vision of equality and standards. Later, because one thing more than any, it was unprofitable for the black man to be equal. The administration in power that discriminated, changed the law. It took another DREAM to reinstate that vision of equality. George Bush currently has the power to veto and pass laws. To understand ones character. You look at their action and to whom one associates.
In every stage of a Oppression Black America has Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A President, whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a discriminator, is unfit to PRESIDE over a FREE people.
"We, the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect Union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, "promote the general welfare", and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness"
Let's hold these individuals accountable. If not, our children will pay the price. In every race I've been fortunate enough to meet; all want better for their children. Let's demand better and do better for them. We can build our country and others with billions of dollars and still profit. I have ideas that will not only help global warming, it will help international relations by two countries benefiting. Ideas that can end the Iraqi war in a year, and America will profit as well as Iraqi citizens. The only military you need is to insure progress. People won't fight you. They will fight with you. Torture enslaves the mind. It doesn't allow for free thinking, plus it adds revolt. What about Russia and oil? Don't forget who is oil tycoon. Russia and America has talked before, ask Bush. Every nationality is proud of their heritage. They just want to take advantage of the opportunities afforded under the Constitution. Instead of building a fence to keep Mexicans out, create job opportunities in their country. While America profits and so can Mexico. I am talking about real technology that has already been developed. It just takes real people to spend the money on it. This is utilizing international business. Not taking people's jobs because labor is cheaper, because a person who does not work most likely won't buy house. Nor does a person who is rich need a mortgage. This is not a game. There are real people dying. Last time I heard, the military equipment, billions are being spent on are poorly constructed. There are government contractors in Iraq making over six figures, for reasons that cost us more. Six figures could rehab communities, and these buildings and homes will no longer be safe havens for rapists, drug addicts and drug dealers. Not only that, with solar paneling, since it is so ugly for the rich neighborhoods. Look at these boarded up homes already. And it will help the elderly and the poor pay the electric bill. All while what? SAVING YOUR PLANET. Are these tax or indebted dollars going to crony companies? Are they cutting corners to profit? Are we not getting specialists, because we are getting friendships. Friendships that pay. Honestly, President Bush, I personally didn't vote for you, because I don't have the money to buy you. I never felt you qualified. In that statement, you proved it. America, is it money over credentials?
To Black America, America was built from your free labor. Your are the epitome of the American dream. To come from nothing and through oppression, we still make our way. It is time to stop making our way and take our rights. Big business gets paid more to incarcerate you than to help educate you and maybe to hire you. You say you won't work for free, but in the long run. Hummm? For 3 hots and a cot, 5 to 20, you will. Black man you better understand you are a commodity-1. anything useful or that can be turned to commercial or other advantage; convenience; profit; expediency. "Kings break faith upon commodity" (Shakespeare). Not only are your constitutional rights being violated, but your GOD GIVEN RIGHTS. Your are entitled to GOD's nature. The Black Panther Party formed, when Black America said, I will no longer live under these conditions. What is a life to live. When you can't truly live it. We were born on American soil. So we are entitled to these rights. The Black Panther Party creators believed in the Constitution. We have the right to bear arms. No one is going to come into my home, business, community and/or church and violate me or my family. Black people we can march on every injustice, but if we don't address these individuals in government. It will never make the difference that we are looking for. I don't need reparations, just justice in 2007. Demand your rights black people. When will we ever again in our lifetime have such an opportunity? When will we ever find anyone dumb enough to say something of this magnitude? If we all stood up for our rights, on my word as a God-fearing individual this man will be removed from office. An example will be set for the next President. I AM TALKING ABOUT A VISION LIKE GOD TELLING NOAH TO BUILD AN ARK. THERE HAS BEEN TSUNAMIS OR HURRICANES BEFORE WE KNEW WHAT TO CALL 'EM. Believe and be of good courage. God will divide an inheritance to whom he promised your forefathers. God provides all your needs. Here in America, there is agriculture, labor, the technology, energy, and most importantly the right to think freely. This is factual information. If I am wrong I implore the President and America to prove me wrong. It is better to be judged by 12 than to be discriminated on by six. What if he said the middle-class didn't come out for like the upper-class, so they are not gonna see much help for me?
Corruption in any person, organization, race, group, and country corrupts absolutely. Absolutely because those who don't know you. Can see you through corruption. Corruption makes world wide news. The few destroy many. The literal meaning of jihad is: The struggle of good over evil in ones self. In the Qu'ran, its states if you are a true believer of God, any Christian can call themselves a Muslim, and every Muslim a Christian. It has been religion's representatives that has distorted the truth throughout history. Those in power who didn't have common decency. Don't let democracy continue to be distorted. Throughout history, every nation's money, coin or whatever you want to call it, represented itself. It makes me think of "In God We Trust". America's way to represent itself. On the idea, with Democracy and the Constitution, our money should always be in safe hands. EVERYONE TAKE OUT A, QUARTER, DIME, NICKLE AND PENNY. THE SILVER COINS ARE FACING THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION OF THE PENNY. WHEN LINCOLN FREED SLAVES. IT WAS UNFAVORABLE FOR A DISCRIMINATING ADMINISTRATION SO THEY TURNED THEIR BACK TO HIM. LOOK AT YOUR PERSONAL VIEW ON A PENNY. WHEN YOU SEE ONE YOU MIGHT PICK IT UP. BUT, WHEN YOU NEED IT YOU WILL PICK IT UP. AS THE WORLD TURNS THAT PENNY REPRESENTS OUR CHILDREN. IF NOT ALREADY.
When you see a penny pick it up, If on heads it will be good luck!
A penny is always two sided. You ALWAYS can flip it!
Your Fellow American, Andrea
P.S. Just think of Bill Cosby as Healthcliff Huxstable. That father figure that would say, "Watch, what you are doing? I don't like who you hang around with!" He did what only any good parent would do. When you want better for your children; you tell them the truth even when it hurts. A parent never truly understands the child because they are not the child. Everyone sees life through their own eyes. Wisdom comes through knowledge and experience. An experience can either be personal or you can be a witness to. A good parent warns the danger and chastises. Just like with the President, there is no correction without acknowledgment and accountability.
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THE CONSTITUTION SET AN AGE REQUIREMENT FOR THE PRESIDENCY, TO ALLOW FOR EXPERIENCE, KNOWLEDGE AND EXPERTISE-----CREDENTIALS & QUALIFICATION.
To the President himself. Just like in the book, I love you for your honesty. Bush can tell you how to take money. I'm trying to tell you how to make it.
"Congress must act now to end the war and to initiate impeachment proceedings. The war is illegal. Allowing the war to drag on another 12 or 18 months is simply tolerating and financing a criminal act. This is itself a violation of the Constitution.
Bush has violated his oath of office to uphold the Constitution. Impeachment is not simply a tactic to be taken on or "off the table." It is a Constitutional obligation of Congress, and I demand that impeachment proceedings be initiated immediately." impeachbush.org
The health insurance industry has finally crossed a line where it's done so much to discredit itself in the eyes of millions of ordinary Americans that I don't see how they can possibly discredit Moore enough to matter.
But then they're so powerful as a campaign financing/lobbying presence that I reluctantly have to question whether much of anything will change. Public awareness matters less in an era of government of, by, and for big business.
Paul
originalfaith.com, hmoappeals.com
Thank goodness. I couldn't stand Reagan. The whole time he was in office, there were homeless families begging on every street corner on my way to work. That is not the sign of good leadership. Plus, I honestly do not believe he was mentally capable of making decisions by his second term, so Dole was really running the show anyway. Or so it seems to me.
Moore would do us favors if he would get off his "white men are teh evil" kick. He has so many important things to say but he always goes over the edge just a wee bit, which calls the credibility of all the rest into question -- when it shouldn't be.
Right, khc, and there the media, along with irresponsible professionals, does us all a great injustice. You need to do sizable double blind studies with strict controls to get reliable and especially repeatable results. For example, NIH recently came out with a report that increasing selenium intake may actually INCREASE your chances of getting some types of cancer, completely contradicting previous studies. It's no wonder why people are so confused as to what to do or not to do, what to take or not to take. And the so-called doctors who promote the results of poorly done "studies" should be relegated to the trash bin by more competent professionals. Obviously, the media is totally complicit with these attention hounds, and doesn't care about scientific accuracy one way or the other.
this is a great film:
The War On Democracy
by John Pilger
1 hr 34 min
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3739500579629840148
The War on Democracy, John Pilger's first film for cinema
You know, I really think that we as open minded people need to look at how best to take advantage of what our corrupt government is giving us (in the way of giving to their rich benefactors).
1. Why is there no one starting a non-profit insurance company? This would be private insurance but run in a way in which medicare works today. Also, since it is non-profit, wouldn't there be certain tax breaks that this private insurer could take advantage of that for profit insurance companies could not? This non-profit insurance company (with a CEO that makes a decent, livable wage and not tens of millions a year like other private insurers) would be so cost effective that it would put the other private insurance companies under. This is pure speculation and I welcome any comments.
2. We complain about our schools but right now (thanks to Bush) the government is giving away millions (perhaps more?) to private schools in this country. The intended target of these by our government were Christian schools (to our horror) but private Liberal minded schools could just as easily take advantage of these funds too.
I'm sure there are many more ways that we could be taking advantage of the situation that the rich oligarchy in this country has created instead of protesting about how cruel these corporations are. The best way to fight (and defeat) them may be to join them.
Just my two cents.
I'm probably going to catch hell for saying this, but part of what is wrong with our American health care system is rampant obesity and the related health problems that come with it, like high blood pressure and cholesterol, diabetes, weight related mobility issues and other medical problems. I see more obese people almost everywhere I go and they are costing all of us a lot more in higher premiums because they require much more expensive and extensive medical care.
I'm sure that some of it can't be helped (thyroid issues) but I am willing to bet that most of it is the result of our sedentary lifestyles of sitting ample butts on the sofa noshing chips, pizza and bottles of sugary pop and watching 200 channel satellite plasma flat screen TV's and driving everywhere instead of biking or walking like most Europeans do. Americans are by far the most lazy and hedonistic people on the face of the planet and by far the greediest, too.
We desperately need universal health care, no questions about it, and we probably are going to end up with some kind of free market system like deregulated utilities instead, coupled with tax cuts to help people buy private insurance. That seems to be what the majority of pundits and candidates want even though most people want universal single payer health care, but no one besides Kucinich has the cojones to propose such a thing so we probably won't get it, and what we do end up with is at least a decade away, well after I retire from my job.
So I'm none to optimistic about any kind of health care reform right now. Too many variables are going to make it difficult if not impossible to solve this complicated problem any time soon. In the meantime, I'm going to be drowning in medical bills that are putting my already meager budget in severe jeopardy. Thrills.
Yes, most alternative medicine is snake oil. If the herbs work the biochemical pathways they effect can be studied.
I am not a health care worker, I am a microbiology lab tech at a CC. If you think something works set up a real experiment with real controls. Scientist do this because it is easy to fool oneself and the proof is in the pudding.
Cat, your view sounds a bit like bias, like you make money selling people woo.
Khc @ 12:23am:
"Homeopathy is not health care, it is water... herbs that are proven to work become mainstream medicine like aspirin..."
-only a small percentage of herbs, -as yet, Khc!
and:
"...One can sell something as a natural medicine without any proof that they do anything."
- are you saying we alternative practitioners are busy prescribing Snake Oil? Hmmm; - tell that to those millions who have been healed since the very dawn of time by naturopathic means!
and:
"It is easy to see effects when one wants too..."
- Your view sounds a bit like bias / prejudice to me, -are you a trained medical practitioner?
We help run an alternative health center, wherein many allopathically trained doctors and nurses have now *chosen* to work in the Alternative medicine field because, -from their experiences in hospitals etc, they see how often side-effects and complications occur and where a ubiquitous *suppression of symptoms* goes on, - in place of real *cure*.
-Oh, and, we DO pragmatically make use of allopathic treatments where they are appropriate.
Some cynics assert homeopathy, acupuncture, and etc, only work via 'psycho-suggestion' but if that were the case, then they wouldn't work on so-called 'dumb animals' and babies who can't comprehend the spoken word? Our colleagues *heal*, regularly and often, -and frequently in cases where the medical profession has given up!
Btw: yes, Aspirin was derived from the Willow tree: 'salix', - hence salicylic acid. It's chemically *similar* to - but not identical to the active component in Aspirin. In it's natural form, it is used in various herbal medicines, [see Potter's Cyclopaedia, or Mrs Grieve's 'A Modern Herbal' ] but Aspirin itself is poisonous to the body, -it thins the blood, and has the potential to cause stomach ulcers, deafness, harm to pregnant women, and fatal Reye's Syndrome, brain and liver damage / encephalopathy, -esp to kids under 18yrs.
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Cat: good posts, thankyou.
Some of the healthiest cows I've met have been raised organically and biodynamically.
Unlike most agri-biz cows, they're still loved, *happy*, and milking well at 13+ years of age. Some of Steiner's methods may *sound* like hocus-pocus, but they DO actually work, (-I'm amazed to say!)
BTW, my bovine references here have *nothing at all* to do with CHillary Clinton, -she who likewise 'is still milking well' at advanced years, -but only within a sick political system wherein she has dried up and renders nothing of any value.
Though possessed of multiple 'tales' and possibly two horns, I would opine CHillary is more about 'lack-tation' for the needy, so please vote 'udderwise'!
:)
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Footnote:
For those C-D folk hereabouts who may be feeling stressed-out / sleepless, troubled at / in heart by present-day difficulties, I strongly recommend pure Valerian + Hop essence. Here's a link to Mrs Grieves words about Valerian: http://www.botanical.com/botanical/mgmh/v/valeri01.html
~ Try it? ::: "the proof of the pudding is in the eating!"
MM's proclivity for deadhead Democrats is a worry, but there is too much negativity surrounding his docos, even from people of like politics.
What more can the man do?
Is Sicko in your face?
This is investigative journalism par excellence.
1. the LA dumping incident
2. the functioning of the health care (sic) insurers (i.e. how not to pay), as desribed by the horse's mouth. This element constitutes the fundamental critique. The American health care system is only marginally to do with health or with care.
3. the publicity given to the 9/11 worker victims (equivalent to hapless enlistees being sent off to IRaq as cannon fodder).
As for Moore reaching only the converted - this is far too pessimistic. The professional critiques (in literary form) are reaching a miniscule audience. Regardless of the lower box office to Fahrenheit, Sicko is still out there.
And as for Moore being too kind to the other systems, all other national health systems have their faults, because of competing imperatives. But the Canadian system, for example, (and the Australian) are being undermined by craven QUisling political leaders who have one eye closed and the other ignorantly focused on the failed American system. The UK system is currently being undermined by a managerialist madhouse that is New Labour, with massive sums going into consultants' and managers' pockets (and only recently Labour's intention to bring over to the UK the same racketeering health corporates that are destroying the American system).
Go figure.
I really don't know what the point of Debbie Melnyk and Rick Caine was. Perhaps they're true documentarians and think Moore should be but he's not. He's more editorial political satire and parody. His films are humorous. His intentions however are true IMO and seek to expose or untwist what the media has pre-twisted for us and I think we need someone like that despite their flaws. They would have to have much more severe flaws to constitute a serious criticism.
Regarding health care just some food for thought. One, a transition into social medicine may be wise and better serving the public. As mentioned earlier about Moore's portrayal of Canada's system being too "rosy", there is some truth to this.
I have lived in 3 different style health care countries, a 100% government run, like England or Canada, The US, and a mix of the two with insurance companies and drugs highly regulated. In the later, 10 days of wide spectrum antibiotics are 10 bucks, there are no co pays for visits, surgery, treatments, MRIs etc., and the poor and college students get it free. I had an old injury there MRI scanned in 3 weeks and paid nothing. In the 100% system a doctor just prodded around with his hands a bit and said I was fine, just to have the injury reoccur 9 months later.
There's a lot of factors here. The corruption in the states will have a different result in how the big medicine, big pharma will get their grubby fingers into the mix, and people in general using the system responsibly which will be hard to accurately portray statistically because if the US ever does move into a social health system. There will be so many people who have lived with pains and ailments for years because they couldn't afford otherwise who will swamp the system when the doors finally open, which they should.
Again I'm no expert on this, but highly regulated private systems do work as well and cover the everyone and stop the outrageous drug prices, just not sure what will work best for the US at this time.
Is not the number one socialist in The New Testament one
Jesus Christ?
bligh
There you go again.
So what if MM is rich. He wasn't born with a silver spoon in his yap like most of corporate elite and their political junior partners.
Last, the fact that MM is rich (as defined by you) does not negate either the content of his docs nor does it delimit their objectives.
Talk about timing! I got a call from a close friend. She was furious and crying. Her mother had been ejected from a nursing facility. It appears she was discharged by the staff physician, not her orthopedic surgeon. It seems the insurance company felt she could no longer to pay coverage for her care. Her daughter was called Saturday to come pick up her mother. She got her brother to come to help.
Their mother had a knee replacement surgery and the replacement failed after a decade. Her knee gave way, she feel, and snapped her thighbone in two. Her new orthopedic surgeon repaired the thighbone, but she would have to heal before he could do a new knee replacement. Until both surgeries were performed, she would not be able to walk.
She was in a private rehab unit and the insurance company said they could no longer pay for her care. Thus the staff Dr. of the facility discharged her.
they kids took her home and carried her inside. Today she needed her diapers change and the could not get ger into the small bathroom to clean her up. They all were just frustrated and at a loss. Then the mother got chest pains and had to be rushed to the hospital.
They are a large family. 10 kids. They WILL not vote for anyone now except Kucinich.
I am sure "bonuses and dividends" were saved somewhere, but new political alliances were made this weekend. We have been told for too long that "socialized medicine would lead to some bureaucrat deciding our health choices, not our Drs." It seems that we DO have people are choosing our choice for our DRS. Thank the heavens above that nobody created socialized roads,local hospitals, education, fire and police departments, museums, civic arenas, sports stadiums, etc. Oh wait, we do! Just don't mess with the medical system.
What happened to the Government of the people, for the people and by the people? We get elections that are paid for by "our sponsors" through campaign $$$$$s from corporations. Whichever side wins cowtows to the corporations, NOT the People. The election process is just a dog and pony show. The 2 parties vie for your vote and get you caught up in bogus "divide and conquer" games. You know "we will make things better and the other side will make it worse" type of show. The show is to distract us from the reality that any of the "chosen" runners, dem or repub, will not represent the People. They will represent the corporations.
Vote YOUR needs, not just to vote for the most popular face. Vote For the People, not the corporations.
Remember who the real Wizard of Oz was. It is not those pathetic bought-fore front running politicians. All just my humble opinion, except for the pathetic way my friend's mother was treated by America, in the name on money, not care and love.
Why can't we have universal care? Listen to longtime Sen. Fritz Hollins speak with Mike Wallace:
...Hollings says senators spend hours a day, almost every day, just working the phones to raise cash. What's in it for him? "A good government," he says, laughing. "And Russell Long said, 'Those who give the money are getting more than good government.'" "In other words, I'll get access," says Wallace. "There ain't any question about that," says Hollings. "We say it's otherwise, but it's sort of adulterated us in a sense that we can't see everybody. … So you're bound to see those who are the big givers." But does access mean his vote? "Not only the vote. Wait a minute, it's all those K Street lawyers now and lobbyists and interests making up the legislation, and they work with staffs and everything else. The bills, and the special interests overwhelm us with submitted legislation," says Hollings. "Communications, defense, you got them all – farms, agriculture people and everything else like that … They get their piece of the pie. That's our problem. Today, you can't find the real interests of the country."…*
*From interview with 60 Minutes' Mike Wallace, Dec 30, 1904
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/12/10/60minutes/main660368.shtml
Homeopathy is not health care, it is water. Many Homeopaths also practice other forms of health care that is either simple nutrition (useful, but why not see a nutritionist) or other types of unregulated medicine such as herbs. Herbs that are proven to work become main stream medicine like aspirin. One can sell something as a natural medicine without any proof that they do anything. It is easy to see effect when one wants too, that is why scientist use double blind studies when testing medicines and treatments if it is ethically possible. I love the politics on CD but there are too many woo masters.
Cat says: Sickness comes from a lousy diet , filthy air, contaminated earth and water. More health care isn't going to cure that. It's just going to prolong the agony and maintain profits!
That is the difference between private health insurance (which can exclude people for any reason) and public health insurance (which covers every body). There is an incentive for public players to invest in prevention because it keeps the total health care costs down (meaning more money for other things). Even the Romanow Report has a section (Chapter 5) on prevention:
http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/english/care/romanow/hcc0023.html
BTW - Does everyone who has a pet taken them to the vet on a regular basis?
Cat says: Want to sell a product? Create a need!
You mean, create a need in those with money. Think of it, who as more money, the average person with ED or the average person in the later stages of MS? It seems convenient that Big Pharma has blocked, as long as possible, the creation of generic drugs to treat AIDs in Africa - there was no profit in that. As a person who has no interest in doing either, which has the worst side effects: pot or prozac? So who is the bigger threat to Americans - Marc Emery or Bush friendly Eli Lilly? Somehow, this war on drugs never seems to include pharmeceuticals (only their competition)!
As far as herbal remedies go, I am all for them being tested scientifically (and some do have side effects or adverse reactions with other herbs and medications). However, I doubt that Eli Lilly likes them very much.
Partymariner, about your brother who thinks that Iraq had something to do with 9/11 - can he name any of the hijackers? I am sure there is a list of the names on line some where. Ask questions you know the answer to and he doesn't. Also find out if his Governor has ever met with Gary Doer.
Bushwa Blues, they are trying to reform NAFTA, that is what Bush, Harper, Caulderon and 30 CEOs were doing in Montebello. The SPP, which has been referred to as NAFTA on steriods, is where the Three Amigos get together and talk about how to phrase laws so that they are regulations rather than legislations. Legislation needs to go through the House to get passed, regulation does not.
frank1569 says: How come GE and Exxon never produce, say, "Global Warming: The Liberal Lie Exposed"?
Exxon is and they are using the same scientists who used to work for Big Tobacco to do it:
http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/denialmachine/index.html
Did you know that Lockheed Martin got the contract to do the Canadian census? Or that the IRS is sharing your information with Homeland Security?
http://thomhartmann.org/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/4061097651/m/2051085091?r=9321017482#9321017482
gde, you talk about the deaths of Iraqi children. Much of those deaths were because Iraq could not fix the water treatment plants the Americans bombed during the first gulf war because some of the materials necessary for doing so were considered "dual use" - meaning that the materials were not allowed into Iraq because they could potentially be used to make WMD. At least that's what the Mennonites tell us.
In honour of "Islamofascism Awareness Week" I give you Baber's "What you don't know about Islam you ignorant infidels" from Little Mosque on the Prairie (or I would have if it wasn't having trouble loading).
Thank you for the links. It took years to reduce my diet and years to learn homeopathic healing. The Diet was a slow process that just happened naturally. As I ate less junk I wanted less junk. The fewer garbage meals I had the faster my body recognized what was bad for me. Little by little I developed an intuitive palate. Now the smell of most fast food places is nauseating. I can taste chemicals in drinks. I noticed something nasty in the after taste of Santa Cruz Organic juice... I had paid about $5 for it and called the 800 number. Guess what? They make it from concentrate and use municipal water to reconstitute it in their bottling plant. LOL. So I pay twice for organic and drink fucking fluoride and chlorine....Nice!
Can you get a vet to heal you? In a convoluted kind of way yes. As I said I am working setting up seminars for a homeopathic veterinarian. He teaches organic farmers who can not use antibiotics to deal with problems ecologically and homeopathicly. He is the best of both worlds. He is a full practicing allopath as well as a brilliant homeopath and herbalist. So when he "cures" a cow that is making milk for your organic yogurt...He helps you stay healthy!
I do not throw babies out with bathwater. As I said when I need a meat mechanic I go to a MD. When something is sticking out too far to push in I look for a surgeon. When I want to heal I use homeopathy. Diagnosis is obsolete when you use this science. Anyone interested may want to go to homeopathyfortheanimals.com
It is much more comfortable for most people to look at this from a distance before you need it.
Yes people get sick....they get sick because the natural healing abilities have been undermined. I have watched a litter of kittens. One will die of fleas while the others in the nest survive. The fleas are drawn to the weak. That is what disease is for, culling the weak. The key here is to not to make yourself dessert for the microorganisms that are sent to feed on the failing. You and I don't need an official in a white coat to tell you how to stay well! Besides hasn't anyone noticed how they change their minds to match the market drugs?
...a lady I knew got a piercing...it became swollen she was advised by the doctor to take Aleve for pain. She did and had an allergic reaction that stopped her breathing. Benydril was given to reduce the block in her airways. Her whole face broke out and her ability to keep any food down with severe gut pains. The Aleve and or the Benedril or the combo had killed all the bacteria in her stomach. A homeopathic and some probiotics later she was good. Probiotics are bacteria that live on food grown in the ground. They live in our guts and help digest what we eat. We can not digest food without them. Now you can buy them (expensive) in stores. Or you can mosey out to the back yard and eat some chick weed, lemon grass, clover, wild parsley. Lucky lady! She didn't have the money for the emergency room. They would have given her a battery of tests....done some invasive work. X ray's, blood the whole nine yards, given her something to suppress the symptoms and if all went well she would be going for surgery for a bleeding ulcer by now. For the good of all Cat
The condemnation of Reagan did not go quite far enough: not mentioned is how Reagan and George H W Bush aided, abetted, funded and armed Saddam Hussain while he was carrying out the very violations for which our puppet court there hanged him. Had there been a fair trial in the International Criminal Court--the proper venue--all this would have come out, and Rumsfeld Bush pere might have found themselves in the dock.
thewonderingyou, nothing is unassailable, the offended will always assail. Look at the row with Sanjay Gupta where long after most undecideds had been turned off by the bickering, they were still haggling over which set of numbers were the most appropriate to quote. And that was the effect corporate health desired, a nettled herd bewildered by obtuse statistical citations. Such an exposition is precisely opposite of what Moore's movies are good for, had Moore chosen Gupta's preferred set in some alternate reality, Gupta would have defended the other set of numbers. Of course, Moore is correct in the actual assertion of principle but the point I am making is that there will always be disingenuous hacks, such as Gupta, to do the dirty work for their employers...
M.M. is always a few years ahead of the main stream anything, but he is always right on. with humor and satire he is able to make people wake up to the reality of situations. His causes are not for the top 1%, his causes are for the everyday guy who lost his job, or went bankrupt because of medical bills, or lost a child in a school shooting. If he makes money doing the right thing then more power to him. He also uses those $$'s to help in social situations when help is needed. Ask him about his stay in New Oleans. Ask him about his film festivals.
frank 1569,
You're right to ask why corporations (conservatives) and the MSM do not produce response documentaries to Michael Moore's works. There are two main reasons.
(1) Facts are not on their side in extended debates.
(2) 30 or 60 second ads work much better for them.
As for who is afraid of Michael Moore? Nobody, because they can always attack fringe stunts in his work (such as going to Cuba), rather than the substance at hand.
Moore is (correctly) for single-payer health care. So is Dennis Kucinich, and correctly so. Moore and Kucinich, however, are not frontrunners. Hillary is.
Most of the attack will be reserved for Hillary, by Republicans, and even by Moore and CD readers.
Cat--you are absolutely right. I don't eat as you do and don't do homeopathy but my story is the same. There is very little need for modern medicine although the very little is certainly important. I'd say emergency medicine, surgery if you actually need it, and diagnostics. At least 80% of everything can be "cured" with low input herbs, nutritional supplements, allergy elimination and miscellaneous alternatives. We need access to this information, which the FDA continues to deny us.
Additionally, physicians who practice "root cause" medicine--i.e., not treating symptoms, are losing their licenses through action of State Medical Boards. It doesn't take too many of these "witch hunts" to scare off physicians who might want to change their ways.
If doctors tried to look for and heal root causes of disease, costs would plummet and there would be plenty to help really poor people and those of us who really need the wonders of modern medicine.
We're dealing with a medical monopoly, not a free market. If we subsidize this monopoly we will be sick and broke forever.
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Sicko distribution company (Lionsgate) sold out to pharmaceutical investor one week prior to Sicko's release. Initial distribution was cut from 1600 theaters to 400:
http://groups.google.to/group/alt.support.cancer.breast/browse_thread/thread/93a22ea64316df57
Someone should make a movie about trying to get an interview with Michael Moore to discuss this deal and why he hasn't said anything about it. Call it "Michael and Me" :-)
Great post duchaspa.
I have to agree with a previous post pointing out that Moore plays to the choir.
There is a lot of information that might get the public thinking about a National Health-care system but one has to have accurate facts, especially regarding the Canadian and British Health-care systems which are the only ones most Americans know anything about. If he would play to the undecided we might get more movement toward National Health-care but Moore is too much "in your face" which makes him a radical and blows any credibility he might have inspired.
The article blamed Mr. Bill for 1/2M deaths of Iraqi children (under 5). His predecessor Bush41, Cheney, et al are responsible for creating the conditions that led to this catastrophe, and maintaining the first 2 years of it. The latter deserve their share of the credit, and it is a large one. Mr. Bill is to blame for maintaining the tragedy for several more years, and he should pay, too, but he won't. Bush43 & co., including their numerous Dem partners in crime, are responsible for recreating that situation in Iraq.
The irony is that with Bush43's attack on SCHIP, he is not only waging war on Iraq's young, but on the US's as well.
Isn't it time we made the accusation BABY KILLER stick?
The amazing thing is that universal health care came to Germany compliments of BISMARCK would you believe? in 1886 ,yes 1886.!
Canada copied the British fabian socialist model which was already a national disaster in 1962 when we copied it here in canada. Since then we have had the dance between public and private arguments. But our system like the USA system is run by politicians (usually lawyers and MBA's with no real field knowledge of health care) or by Committees (The Russian word is Soviet).You put an ignorant person in charge you get ignorant decisions.
The great thing in Germany is that the govt does not run health care ,the KASSEs do . You must belong to one. They also negotiate with hospitals public and private to pay for health care. You can still be sent to a spa for 6 weeks! And it costs the Germans 10.9% of GNP. It costs Canada 9.9% of GNP. And Japan 7.9% of GNP. And the USA 17% of GNP with 50 million uninsured.!!!of the largest GNP.!!
Now tell me why AngloSaxon countries refuse to even look at the experience of Germany, Japan,France,Singapore in providing health care. ??
Is this a pride steeped in some colonial superiority?
You tell me.
With all the money and power the insane greed class has accumulated and hoarded, one would think they could produce response documentaries to films such as Moore's, yet the best they ever come up with is smear campaigns by cultists.
How come GE and Exxon never produce, say, "Global Warming: The Liberal Lie Exposed"? Or: Halliburton and The Carlyle Group in association with Blackstone/Blackwater Films, Inc. present, "Peace and Stability," a romantic comedy about an ex Navy Seal who takes a job with a private Peace and Stability contractor and, while deployed in an unnamed Middle Eastern country, he unexpectedly falls in love with the Iraqi woman who's family he accidentally killed while protecting a presidential frontrunner during a Christmas Eve visit. With the help of President Cush and the State Dept, our hero is able to sneak his secret bride into the US, where she takes a job, ironically, at Lockheed Martin loading bombs onto jets heading for Iran.
"They" may have control over the MSM, but they still can't tell a story worth a damn.
But even more telling, Mr. Pilger:
Domestic ticket sales for Fahrenheit 911: 112 million
Sicko 23 million
The public didn't see the film in great enough numbers to make a difference on health insurance.
And with a majority of the public uninformed, their thinking on a daily basis inundated with the corporate message their public schooling never teaches them to challenge, and Hillary way ahead in the polls, we can forget about any meaningful health insurance reform.
Moore tried...we all lost.
Partymariner,
In case you did not know, on college and university campuses nationwide, this week is "Islamofascism Awareness Week." The conservative students under the leadership of David Horowitz are trying to get everyone to believe that Bush did not start the War on Terror, and Global Warming is a false flag (they blame this "on the Liberal Left" and call it the "Big Lie"). If you want to arm yourself with information to combat ignorant people like your brother-in-law, look at Dr. Gary Leupp's article "Reply to an Angry Marine" on CounterPunch (October 15,2007). In fact, email the article to your brother-in-law (and I would recommend that everyone on CD read it). Leupp is a History Professor at Tufts University and gives eloquent and thorough response that entirely refutes any legitimacy (there is none) to this false ideology.
Everyone including Mexicans in Mexico. Put a CCC down there and one here too. Borrow the dough, I don't care (and I HAVE read Pete Peterson on the bill that Medicare's gonna rack up...yes, yes, yes etc etc...did you think I'm stupid?).
Howard Dean did not have an existential appreciation of what the "shadow economy" co-horts were capable of squeezing out of this country. No, it's not the illumanati, but consider all the entities that need tax shelters off the mainland. That takes you to what Spitzer said about ALL our institutions suffering some sort of break down. I imagine Dean's pr masters told him to act a little upbeat and liberated, and what does he do? Inspite of the fact kids are dying from something quite controllable like MRSA and pts are let out on the street in their gowns...he acts like the whole thing's a big party. I don't think Kucinich sees things that way. People here at CD can lay on the amateur woeful analysis and amateur prognostications until nigh on nigh on; but when it REALLY hits home I think Kucinich will get some support. Live in a place with 13 immigrants upstairs wrestling your roof down and bullets flyin every weekend, and you will begin to consider WORKING hard for an interruption of the otherwise predictable confluence of major contingincies.
BTW, maybe it's a good idea to reform NAFTA and plan a North American economy so that it pays EVERYONE enough to live on and restricts the property speculation that tries to convert rent & real estate speculation into replacements for...the profit generating arrangements we offshored.
According to a caller I heard on NPR the other day all the farmers in SC now desire more manufacturing here. SC farmers are now politically in the rust belt!
I saw SICKO and thought it was an excellent political introduction for the masses of Americans who don't have the time, ability or access to read anything critical of the corporate status quo. With no access to corporate controlled mass media, disseneters must use DVD to reach and educate the masses.
Privatization (corporatization) of health care must end if we are ever to have a truely universal health care system.
I have a brother-in-law who is one of the 27% who still support Bush and, as one of the other commentators pointed out, there is a segment of the population that will just not consider any facts that challenge their child-like view of the world.The other night he argued with me that Iraq played a role in the 911 attack and wholeheartedly believes the "islamofascists" are out to get us. He always phrases things in a "good versus evil "lexicon.Its sad that people can be so mired in ignorance at this point in time!God help us!
"The rich are afraid of Michael Moore". Micheal Moore is one of the rich. In fact, super-rich.
Cat, even with the best preventative measures, people still get sick. Modern medicine, for all its deficits, has many benefits. Let's be careful not to throw the baby out with bathwater here. In any national health care plan, prevention would have to play a big part to keep the overall costs down. Alternative medicine is fine as long as it has a proven track record; we must beware of quackery in this regard though. And do vets really treat people? :o)
Bushwa Blues writes: "I don't care what they say, this issue could put Kucinich in office."
Do you really think that the Democratic Party and the MSM would permit Kuchnich to win the primaries? You saw what happened when Howard Dean looked as if he might be a real threat to Kerry. Dream on, BB.
Sickness comes from a lousy diet , filthy air, contaminated earth and water. More health care isn't going to cure that. It's just going to prolong the agony and maintain profits!
Some time ago I was working for a no kill shelter. I had allot of cats....allot! I could not afford this countries current health care practices. So I searched for alternatives. I found it in the back woods of our forgotten history. Homeopathy and herbal remedies combined with proper diet and limited contaminates. The success with the animals was so moving that I started using what I learned on myself. "Physician heal thy self". Health care is just another way to find yourself being dependent on someone else's (govt, pharmaceutical, insurance co) benevolence.....Ahem! Do you think that any of these paragons of compassion are to be trusted?
I used to joke with friends about the fact that, after working in a hospital for many years I wouldn't trust medical doctors to give me an enema, and I meant that! They aren't bad people but they are not healers either. I would trust a vet. They get paid less so their not into it for the money. Their patients can't speak so they tend to be far more intuitive. They spend allot more time keeping animals well particularly the heard and flock vets that treat organic farms. So if we are going to have national health I want a vet in my time of need! LOL
I work now for a Homeopathic Veterinarian who teaches organic farmers how to keep their animals healthy. You see his goal is to put himself out of business! That's real! When you can heal yourself your free of them and that isn't what they want.
Read about the Inquisition and the killing of the witches. Old women were the healers they knew the herbs that cured. The church wanted power. They killed the healers, stole their knowledge perverted it to their own ends made it punishable by death to know how to read. So who was responsible for the Dark Ages?
It's just a formula for total control over others. Want to sell a product? Create a need! Did you know that a Dr. can't tell you that he can cure you in this country? The word cure has been banished! "In the beginning their was the word"
In the last 20 years I have not seen a Dr. except 2 dog bits and and a concussion when a horse ran me down. All three incidentally were my fault. The Doctors were appropriate as flesh mechanics only. The rest of my healing for all this time has been Classical Homeopathy accompanied by local raw vegan diet, Once the stitches were in I disposed of the antibiotics and finished my healing by these. I healed faster, better, and with no side effects. They hold you in fear out of your ignorance. They teach you how to be just sick enough to pay for a long time. "Learn how to heal yourselves" It's actually not hard!
The rich are afraid of Michael Moore because he shows the system that the rich have created in America. He shows the consequences of their corporate greed and stupidity. He shows the results of their buying off the politicians. He exposes the rich as the uncaring and selfish war mongering group of parasites that they are.
Hoa binh
I once heard of a program where people would pay healthcare providers a regular fee only if they were kept healthy. If they got sick, the payments would stop.
militantliberal
You nailed it in your closing line.
That line tells us where we need to focus our efforts.
I'm beginning to get the "beating a dead horse "feeling ,but am once again compelled to mention
The Great Turning
From Empire to Earth Community
by David C. Korten
as an epic writing of our times
peace to all
How about a collaboration between Naomi Klein and Michael Moore; her intellectual rigor, his audience appeal.
How many professional journalists are there left in the US! There was a quiz in the TV guide and the answer to the clue "Host of news show" was "Tucker Carlson."
Avi Lewis (Naomi Klein's husband) admits that Moore's depiction of the Canadian Health Care system is a bit rosy. When the program started, the provinces payed 50% of the cost and the Federal government paid 50% of the cost. In the early 90's, then Finance Minister Paul Martin slashed the federal share of it drastically and unexpectently. As Prime Minister, Paul Martin was heard telling a person wishing to set up private clinics that Canada was open for business and not to worry about the Health Care act being enforced.
The Canadian system was starved and has been somewhat eroded (ie Americanized) in the last few years. However, enough of the original system remains in place for it to still be much much better than yours.
Some Corporatist is going to point to waiting lists - which seem to be higher when there is both public and private deliverers of the same service in the area (and a shortage of trained practitioners). If an MRI operator moves to the parallel private system, it usually means that hours that the MRI is available in the public system is cut back, increasing the waits. Thus, longer waits are due largely to corporate encroachment of the public system. And, of course, in these pockets of corporate encroachment, those who can't pay wait even longer.
Be ware of the Fox who takes over the hen house and then blames the shortage of eggs on the hens!
BTW - How many doctors do you have in the US driving taxis? Manitoba is working on reducing that number. Have you heard of the International Medical Graduate program?
http://www.gov.mb.ca/health/mlpimg/program2007.pdf111111111111111
"But the other part of me says these folks would never change their minds no matter how many relevant facts you give them, because their wealth and social status depend on keeping other people down, or because they just don't care about people outside their own little lives."
That part of you, ML, might be wrong and this issue might be the one to make it concede.
Medical problems in this nation are the weak link in the bottom line obsession. The obsession dictates propaganda to cover a complete collapse...TV med shows all night long, but that's the shiny whited sepulchre outside of the thing.
People's heads are in denial when it comes to healthcare in the nation. Total denial. They aren't oriented toward the most fundmental issues associated in the least. Take MRSA, media will not even use the institutional pronounciation of the acronym...because they realize Americans might take offense if they discover the problem is common knowledge to some while they have remained in total ignorance.
This issue'll hit anyone and could drive many into foreclosure. Moore was right to go over the basics and repurcussions from the flick cannot even be guessed. Same as Inconvenient Truth. I don't care what they say, this issue could put Kucinich in office.
Moore on Oprah
http://www.oprah.com/world/health/slide/20070927/health_284_101.jhtml
But the "...social status depend on keeping other people down" segment is very insightful. We could probably go on about this for a long time.
MRSA
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methicillin-resistant_Staphylococcus_aureus
Moore may not be a professional journalist but so many of our professional journalists have let us down bleating to the war drum, may he never become one
After all, if the message is not easy to attack, attack the messenger.
I am planning to buy the Sicko DVD, which is due out soon. Its about time we had a lot more muckraking journalism to promote issues that will benefit We the People!
"Moore,... in his personal campaign against George Bush in 2004, endorsed General Wesley Clark, the bomber of Serbia, for president."
In a TV interview I saw Clark describe such wars as merely "mopping up after communism". After that I could not understand how Moore could possibly have supported Clark to become US president. Yet despite that, just like Pilger, I too saw Sicko - I recommend it to all and consider Moore a hero.
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I've loved all of Moore's films, but I am not immune to the expository detractions by those he unavoidably pissed off. Michael, you've got the acumen, you've got the means, you've got the intelligence, and by right of having name-recognition, you've already got the audience.
Give me something unassailable. Give me something unequivocable. Give me a film--be it documentary or otherwise--that really strikes.
You can do it: the data are there. Don't even think about "presenting it in the right way" when presenting it at all carries the day. Somebody's got to, and YOU CAN DO IT.
Saw Sicko last night.
What happened to Norman Bates?
What's frustrating is how little effect Moore's films have had. Millions of people watch and like them, but not enough. "Roger and Me" has not revived Flint, "Bowling for Columbine" has been succeeded by the abandonment of federal gun control, "Fahrenheit 9/11" has not stopped the Iraq War and despite "Sicko" national health care may never arrive. Part of me says Moore's films are at fault for playing only to true believers, such as by not showing us the flaws in European health care, or too superficial, such as not showing more on the decisions that led to the current Iraq War. So conservative Republican or politically apathetic folks write them films off as so much left-wing propaganda. But the other part of me says these folks would never change their minds no matter how many relevant facts you give them, because their wealth and social status depend on keeping other people down, or because they just don't care about people outside their own little lives.