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Democrats Caving To Bush: Agree On Terms of Spying Bill
Telecom Companies Would Receive Immunity
Senate Democrats and Republicans reached agreement with the Bush administration yesterday on the terms of new legislation to control the federal government's domestic surveillance program, which includes a highly controversial grant of legal immunity to telecommunications companies that have assisted the program, according to congressional sources.
Disclosure of the deal followed a decision by House Democratic leaders to pull a competing version of the measure from the floor because they lacked the votes to prevail over Republican opponents and GOP parliamentary maneuvers.
The collapse marked the first time since Democrats took control of the chamber that a major bill was withdrawn from consideration before a scheduled vote. It was a victory for President Bush, whose aides lobbied heavily against the Democrats' bill, and an embarrassment for House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), who had pushed for the measure's passage.
The draft Senate bill has the support of the intelligence committee's chairman, John D. Rockefeller IV (D-W.Va.), and Bush's director of national intelligence, Mike McConnell. It will include full immunity for those companies that can demonstrate to a court that they acted pursuant to a legal directive in helping the government with surveillance in the United States.
Such a demonstration, which the bill says could be made in secret, would wipe out a series of pending lawsuits alleging violations of privacy rights by telecommunications companies that provided telephone records, summaries of e-mail traffic and other information to the government after Sept. 11, 2001, without receiving court warrants. Bush had repeatedly threatened to veto any legislation that lacked this provision.
Senate Democrats successfully pressed for a requirement that the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court review the government's procedures for deciding who is to be the subject of warrantless surveillance. They also insisted that the legislation be renewed in six years, Democratic congressional officials said. The Bush administration had sought less stringent oversight by the court and wanted the law to be permanent.
The domestic surveillance issue has been awkward for Democrats since the administration's secret program of warrantless counterterrorism surveillance became public in late 2005. In August, a coalition of Republicans and dissident Democrats passed a measure backed by the White House that put that program on firm legal ground by expressly permitting the government to wiretap foreign targets without a court order, including, under certain circumstances, when those targets are communicating with people in the United States.
But Democratic leaders insisted that the law expire in February, so they could try again to impose more restrictions on the administration's ability to spy domestically. Most Democratic lawmakers and party members -- backed by civil libertarians and even some conservatives -- wanted the new legislation to ensure for example that future domestic surveillance in foreign-intelligence-related investigations would be overseen by the foreign surveillance court. The court was created in response to CIA and FBI domestic spying abuses unmasked in the mid-1970s.
But conservative Democrats worried about Republicans' charges that the Democratic bill extended too many rights to suspected terrorists. "There is absolutely no reason our intelligence officials should have to consult government lawyers before listening in to terrorist communications with the likes of Osama bin Laden, al-Qaeda and other foreign terror groups," said House Minority Leader John A. Boehner (R-Ohio).
The measure "extends our Constitution beyond American soil to our enemies who want to cut the heads off Americans," said Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Tex.).
An adroit Republican parliamentary maneuver ultimately sank the bill. GOP leaders offered a motion that would have sent it back to the House intelligence and Judiciary committees with a requirement that they add language specifying that nothing in the measure would apply to surveilling the communications of bin Laden, al-Qaeda or other foreign terrorist organizations.
Approval of the motion would have restarted the legislative process, effectively killing the measure by delay. Democratic leaders scrambled to persuade their members to oppose it, but with Republicans accusing Democrats of being weak on terrorism, a "no" vote proved too hard to sell, and so the bill was pulled from the floor.
Stacey Bernards, a spokeswoman for House Majority Leader Steny H. Hoyer (D-Md.), called the Republican maneuver "a cheap shot, totally political."
Caroline Fredrickson, director of the Washington legislative office of the American Civil Liberties Union, called it a "perfect storm" of progressive Democrats who did not think the bill protected basic constitutional rights and of Republicans who took advantage of the lack of unity. "It was too precipitous a process, and it ended up in a train wreck," she said. "It was total meltdown."
The House bill contained safeguards against spying on U.S. citizens that the Bush administration said would have interfered with its national security investigations. Some liberals, on the other hand, complained that it still allowed the surveillance of Americans to occur without individual warrants.
It would have empowered the special surveillance court to issue warrants allowing the government to intercept for up to one year the phone calls and e-mails of groups of foreign targets, such as al-Qaeda or Hamas, without requiring that the surveillance of each person be approved. If the foreign target of the surveillance was calling a person in the United States significant enough also to be deemed an intelligence target, then an individual warrant would be required, as provided under past law.
The bill would have required the court to review the government's surveillance procedures to ensure that they were designed to target only people outside the country. Such reviews could be delayed up to 45 days after surveillance began in emergencies. It also would have barred warrantless physical searches in the United States, including of homes, offices, computers and medical records, and made clear that the National Security Agency and the CIA could not eavesdrop on targeted Americans, even those abroad, without a traditional court warrant.
It was unclear late yesterday whether similar provisions are included in the Senate version of the bill that attracted bipartisan support from lawmakers and key intelligence officials.
The Senate deal was reached after the White House made available to the intelligence committee some of the documents underlying the administration's post-Sept. 11 warrantless surveillance program, to encourage the panel to include the telecommunications immunity provision.
Democrats warned yesterday that the Senate intelligence panel's consensus bill must gain the approval of the Senate Judiciary Committee, whose chairman and ranking Republican have said, like their House counterparts, that they are wary of granting immunity to telecommunications companies.
In June, the Judiciary Committee subpoenaed the documents underlying the warrantless surveillance program, and Chairman Patrick J. Leahy (D-Vt.) and ranking Republican Arlen Specter (Pa.) said they wanted to see those documents before endorsing any immunity clause. "I'm not going to buy a pig in a poke and commit to retroactive immunity when I don't know what went on" in the past, Specter said Tuesday on CNN's "Situation Room." "I agree with Arlen," Leahy said on the program.
© 2007 The Washington Post



133 Comments so far
Show AllCaving, schmaving. They're in charge of their own faculties. The more accurate word is: collaborating.
You are absolutely right, Paul. The Democrats are not 'caving in' at all. This is something they support.
To talk about 'caving in' implies that the Democratic Party and Republican Party have fundamentally different programs. They do not. They are both corporate creations and both respond primarily to corporate desires and concerns.
And the corporations want a National Security State and a military-industrial complex. They want a WAR fueled economy paid for by the little people. If you are against that then they want to spy on you and shut you up, so both the corporate parties are going to vote for that. It is as simple as that and no 'caving in' is involved.
This is 5 card showdown poker, nothing's wild. Bush has "seven high" and congress has a "Royal FLush". Congress folds.
NOW AREN'T YOU GLAD THE DEMOCRATS TOOK OVER CONGRESS IN '06?
Wow…what a difference a democrat makes in the bigger picture. I can't wait to have a choice between another twisted Bush protégé' or a Bush-lite in the '08 elections…because you know that is what we are going to get. As long as our elections are based on how much money a candidate can raise to pay to run for office we are going to have corporate candidates….whether they are running for the White House or Congress….you gotta pay to play!!!
FUCK ELECTIONS !!! WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO MOBILIZE A MASS MOVEMENT FOLKS…STOP BUYING THE BULLSHIT AND ORGANIZE NOW!
Here's what you and I can do NOW….
1. Call, email, fax your member of Congress (regardless of which party) every week and tell them how you want them to vote on the issue of the week (or more issues)!
2. When your member of Congress is at home in their district office….visit them..as often as you can. Bring a friend and sit in the office or send a press release to your local media and let them know you are going to sit in their office all day if necessary to get the message (whatever message you want to convey that they currently oppose)…you don't have to get arrested. Just keep showing up until the Congressperson sees you and your allies.
3. Get involved in a local group and work on issues to get practice on how to lobby your issues to your elected officials. DO SOMETHING that turns the tide to make progressive change REAL and productive. Don't wait till Nov. to "hope" that some flunkie will do what they "promise" to do!!!
I am sick of waiting and tired of being lied to….. hope you are too!!!
peace,
M
They never wonder why their disapproval ratings are hovering around 70% do they? THe congress is a scam...
And who's actually voting for Hillary, Obama, Edwards thinking they're going to change things? I for one am not going to be fooled again, like I was in 2006.
And who's actually voting for Hillary, Obama, Edwards thinking they're going to change things?
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Stick around-- they'll be along by and by. As an Old School radiclib, I prefer not to Name Names.
Everyone who reads this......CANCEL YOUR PHONE SERVICE WITH THE COLLABORATORS WHO GAVE THE BUSHITES OUR PERSONAL INFORMATION!! I no longer have Verizon as my cell phone provider!!! The only language these people understand is the PROFIT they will LOSE!!!
The adultery of the Democratic Congress becomes even more flagrant, cuckholding their base.
RichM
==If it were made clear in the press that actually, the Dems are willing collaborators, the myth would be destroyed==
Yes, and what the press doesn't seem to realize is that they're cutting their own throats in the process by becoming political propagandists. Unless they find some balls, eventually there won't be a free press at all, and for the most part, they'll individually suffer the same fate as the rest of us.
Common Dreams:
Please refrain from posting pics of Mabus on the articles. The nausea disturbs my concentration.
Thank you.
AN ASIDE here. You guys oughta' read this WaPo report on Mona "The Hammer" Shaw, a 75 year old woman who destroyed some Comcast phones and computers in their office out of anger and frustration. She was arrested, probably for vandalism, but didn't care. God, it does my heart good when somebody expresses their righteous anger!
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/17/AR2007101702359.html?hpid=artslot
Paul
"The more accurate word is: collaborating."
Thats the holy truth !!
The Party of ONE.
It's becoming increasingly clear how easy it was for Hitler to take over Germany without bloodshed.
That's right, RichM.
I will go farther and say we aren't a democracy. It's a plutocracy. Truth is, it never was a democracy, although at certain times the power elite made concessions to appease.
"Stick around– they'll be along by and by. As an Old School radiclib, I prefer not to Name Names."
Little Brother October 18th, 2007 1:34 pm
I can't wait. The excuses and appologies from these supposide democratic voters never cease to amaze me.
What are you going to get if you vote any of these three crooks into the white house?
You're certainly NOT going to get:
1-An end to, or a significant pullout from the War in Iraq.
2-An end to the threats and military bullying, and propoganda versus Iran, and imperialistic foreign policy in general.
3-An end to government/executive torture, indefinate imprisonment without charge, trial, or access to a lawyer (Habeaus Corpus).
4-An end or any limits to domestic government spying, harassing, intimidation and the squelching of free speech (such as "Free Speech Zones"), controlling the media and demonizing/attacking the character of anyone opposing them.
5-An End to a 1 trillion dollar per year military budget, government borrowing and spending money it doesn't have.
6-Universal/Affordable Health Care, or an end to Health Insurance for profit.
7-And for Hillary voters, don't think for a second that she's going to do anything for "Womans Issues" such as on pro-choice, birth control, etc etc.
The question for Hillary, Edwards, Obama voters is.... Why would you vote for these people? What is the issue? On nearly every issue, they have a conservative anti-liberal, anti-democratic stance. And moreover they have been timid and quiet when these issues are raised in congress/media, and have shown no leadership on them whatsoever.
anney,
I read the article - the WP treated gave her such attention and treated her with such levity and sympathy because her grievence was strictly a personal one about Comcast's customer service - i.e. "me-me-me"*.
If she had vandalized the Comcast office over their violation of the First and Fourth Amendment, the Post would have either disparaged her or more likely simply ignored her as a crank and malcontent and maybe even a "terrorist".
*BTW, October is "Me to We" month in Canada emphasizing service to others. Can you even imagine such socialistic stuff down here? "Me to We" LOL! Those Canucks - what pinkos! /[sarcasm off]
I voted for Nader in 2000, knowing Gore was going to win Michigan. I voted against Bush by voting for Kerry in 2004.
I will never vote for a Democrat presidential or congressional candidate again.
I may decide not to vote at all.
That's how disgusted I am, not only with the major parties, but also the system. It is deeply flawed.
"But ultimately, as in any insurgency, war opponents have to re-mobilize the widespread popular support for withdrawal into a broad-based and assertive movement that makes its own realities, and doesn't rely upon Congressional Democrats but rather gives them no place to hide if they continue to support the Iraq occupation, in any form."
Steve Niva is a professor of Middle East Studies and International Politics at The Evergreen State College in Olympia, WA
Thank you Ralph Nader and Ralph Nader voters! Your non-votes for Al Gore in the 1999 elections helped to put me in power, where I have been able to read your penis enlargement and nigerian banking scam emails from the oval office. Al Gore would have been too serious to do that. Thank you for enabling me to tear up the constitution.
I hope Ralph Nader runs for president this coming election. He is perfectly qualified for the position of commander in chief of cloud coocooland while the Republicans continue to hold America hostile.
The democrats under Pelosi are wasting our critical time, treasure and lives in Iraq; shreading the Constitution by beligerantly ignoring their oaths that REQUIRE its defense; and crapping on the concept of Rule of Law with theIR latest disaster - FISA. The have become as useless as balls on a cow!
Given the fact that these folks are worthless, do we replace them in the party with true representatives like Wellstone, Feingold, etc. or do we ditch the party entirely.
Anybody who supports Pelosi in the next election is either part of the ruling elite class or a moron. Vote Cindy!
gutless gutless gutless
Actually, commander, Gore won in 2000. And Kerry in 2004. They just didn't get inaugurated.
I hope Pelosi and Reid are defeated in their elections because they are knowingly helping to destroy the United States. Quislings is too kind a word.
PJD
Well, what I saw is America getting more and more frustrated about countless abuses by the government and corporations and the possibilities for protest and action increasing. Who knows, maybe people will end up cutting their company's phone lines or something else to protest being illegally spied on if Congress is going to give them a free hand. Seems to me there are LOTS of possibilities.
THE CRIMINALS-IN-CHARGE LOVE IT WHEN WE DON'T VOTE!!
IT COMPLETES THEIR PLAN FOR DOMINATION OF OUR SYSTEM OF GOVERNMENT. BUT IT TAKES MORE THAN VOTING.....GET INVOLVED.....DON'T JUST WHINE.....TAKE THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY BACK!!!!
LISTEN TO ALL THE MILITARY VOICES WHO ARE FINALLY SPILLING THE BEANS ON THIS DIABOLICAL PLOT TO SEIZE MIDDLE EASTERN OIL....WAR CRIMES TRIALS WILL COME TO PASS, BUT WE HAVE TO RE-TAKE OUR GOVERNMENT!!
Now we're all in Guantanamo. :(
Unreal.... Every Dem canidate is moving right of center for this election, away from the liberal platform, towards the conservative one, BUT YOU DON'T SEE A SINGLE REPUBLICAN CANIDATE MOVING ANYWHERE TOWARDS THE LEFT LET ALONE THE MIDDLE.
Why is it that the Dems are always sacrificing their integrity, while the Republicans refuse to move on any issue, and then always get what they want? Fact is the Dems are complicit, and have no integrity.
Someone seriously explain to me why they're going to vote Democrat in 2008, especially for the White House, when in both cases we're just going to get Republican Agenda's enacted. I'm not asking a rhetorical question, I would like to hear the argument made for voting Democrat in 2008.
We might as well vote republican since parties are intent on running this country into the ground in the same exact fashion. We need to have history record that it was the conservative faction's agenda which led to America's downfall.
Think of it as reality therapy. There is no reason to support the Dims and if you do, you're a collaborator too. If you disagree, you're delusional. Change will not happen at the ballot box -- at least as it is set up now.
Freethinker:
Amen.
Well, there goes our constitution. Thank you Democratic party. Question; What's the difference between a Republican and a Democrat.......NONE
As was pointed out in this linked article, the probable reason why the Dems are not going after Bush and the illegalities of this government is that, by not doing so, they create a legal precedent which they can inherit to use for themselves (and their masters)
http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_stephen__070811_whatever_happened_to.htm
What is going on is a consolidation of power, and it doesn't matter whether the government is called "R" or "D," things will continue to consolidate, and We the People will become still more powerless.
Damn the Congressional democrats. They obviously worship a Dictatorship. If they think the majority of Americans are going to
vote for them (no longer the lesser of two evils, but very much evil and anti American) they better think twice.
Years ago I thought 'American citizens are being led to the slaughter but don't know it'. Now they know it but have been totally been abandoned, along with the Constitution, for that 4% of wealthy oinkers.
The DLC (and the media traitors of American democracy) has no intention of allowing Kucinich to be accepted in the running for President.
Where does that leave us?
I have always thought that there might be a point of commonality that some of us miss. Or else, how do we explain this collaboration?
And it is not just in this instance. Recently, Rep. Frank Barney complained about our failure to appreciate a certain reality they have the fortune of experiencing. Yes...
that reality could explain the lack of outrage at the various revelations --- torture, unlawful surveillance, etc., and our continued financing of the war, etc.
There might be some reality out there that the majority of Americans favor but which some of us do not, as yet, see or appreciate.
There is no opposition party.
RichM...Spot on, as usual.
Huey Long said, back in the 30's, "the American electoral system is like a restaurant. It has some Democratic waiters and some Republican waiters, but whatever you order is still cooked up in the same Big Business kitchen"
Still true!
Seems simple to me. When you want the Democrats to stop "caving" to the Republicans, you get so many Democrats in both The White House and Congress that there is no actual Republican power to "cave" to.
That won't be a popular post here, but it's the answer nonetheless. Had we actually had Mr. Gore as president these past seven years, as we should have had, we would be living a different history today. And there is no reason (other than perhaps our own foot-shooting) why we cannot turn this tide and be looking backwards from 2016 at how much improvement Mr. Obama or Mrs. Clinton recaptured during eight years in office. (Or, then again, we can contemplate how we think we'll like our situation after another eight years with the Giuliani-con crowd. They'll come after me with a meat-axe and
third party banners for saying this, but it's not like we have any other choices, and you know it.)
I am tired of hearing how we have to restore our Constitutional republic and get those in power to uphold and respect the Constitution, the rule of law, etc. The truth is that we never were a democracy, and the Constitution, contrary to what the deeply indoctrinated population believes, is a piece of crap. Read it! The elites of 1787 were profoundly AGAINST popular democracy and did a good job of ensuring it would not happen in designing the Constitution. Those in power do what they want. Always have, always will. They will make concessions sometimes when their power seems threatened, but they do it in such a way that their power remains, and the institutional structures stay unchanged. The only way out of this nightmare is to restructure the system. The Constitution must go. That would take some kind of revolution. The only way a revolution will occur is if some kind of major catasphrophe wakes up the masses from their consuming slumber.
OK RichM,
You have pointed out many reasons why the Dems lost and spinelessness is the big one.
If we can agree that 300 or so votes here in Florida was the final straw in 2000, and the fact that not many conservatives were supporting Nader here in Florida and Nader got lots of Liberal support, ( I personally pleaded with hundreds of them about the unintended results) can we agree that Nader didn't Help the Dems?
But I will drop it at that because this is divisive...sorry I commented on it if it keeps this distraction goin.
But getting back to the Subject of the article above... I see that the new spying bill talks about immunity for bugging after 9/11 but the program started 7 months before.... oops ...now I wonder how soon the Dems will collaborate on covering for 9/11 not even being the real excuse for the spying.... Bush got this goin 7 months before 9/11!
I guess Jonathan Weisman and Ellen Nakashima just forget to mention this little fact in the article..or maybe their editors made the adjustment.
Oh the caves of collaboration are great places to hide.
What did you expect from fellow traveler Pelosi and her ilk. And even worse, do
you have any faith Hilary would stand up to corporate conniving or the raping of
our constitution?. Good luck. So, it will go on whether Cheeney/Bush suspend the Nov. '08 election or Ms. Clinton takes over and inherits powers she never deemed
possible.
It's time to parachute out of what once was the party of the people.
Anyone have the address and Email of the Green Party?
Chock up another one for Mouse Speaker Pelosi.
If you're a Kucinich supporter I urge you to go to http://democracyforamerica.com/pulsepoll and vote for DFA to support Kucinich for president. Sorry for the cross posting.
We have a Government so out of control, so paranoid, they are rivaling their worst counterparts in the 20th Century. Look, they are literally pointing machine guns at you, why wouldn't Big Brother avail himself of more information? After all, the war on terror is going great, let's not slow down the benevolent progress of Oceania. Citizen, surrender, supreme victory over Al Qaeda is close at hand.
Green Party USA: www.gp.org/
Spoilerjohn and others:
If you DON'T want to "help the dems" (to use Jim Glover's phrase) to collaborate with the Republicans to destroy democracy and the rule of law, and you realize that the corporate-imperialist duopoly is the root of ALL the major problems we face as a nation, AND you identify with the
Ten Key Values of the Green Party, i.e.,
GRASSROOTS DEMOCRACY
SOCIAL JUSTICE AND EQUAL OPPORTUNITY
ECOLOGICAL WISDOM
NON-VIOLENCE
DECENTRALIZATION (of wealth and power)
COMMUNITY-BASED ECONOMICS AND ECONOMIC JUSTICE
FEMINISM AND GENDER EQUITY
RESPECT FOR DIVERSITY
PERSONAL AND GLOBAL RESPONSIBILITY
FUTURE FOCUS AND SUSTAINABILITY
go to:the website of the Green Party of the United States at http://www.gp.org/. You can find contact information for your state Green Party there as well.
Peace to all.
Ferency,
The catastrophe that will wake up the masses is when they must decide between giving up watching "American Idol" or placing food on the table. Now if you will please excuse me, I have voice lessons.
Spoilerjohn and others:
If you DON'T want to "help the dems" (to use Jim Glover's phrase) to collaborate with the Republicans to destroy democracy and the rule of law, and you realize that the corporate-imperialist duopoly is the root of ALL the major problems we face as a nation, AND you identify with the
Ten Key Values of the Green Party, i.e.,
GRASSROOTS DEMOCRACY
SOCIAL JUSTICE AND EQUAL OPPORTUNITY
ECOLOGICAL WISDOM
NON-VIOLENCE
DECENTRALIZATION (of wealth and power)
COMMUNITY-BASED ECONOMICS AND ECONOMIC JUSTICE
FEMINISM AND GENDER EQUITY
RESPECT FOR DIVERSITY
PERSONAL AND GLOBAL RESPONSIBILITY
FUTURE FOCUS AND SUSTAINABILITY
go to: the website of the Green Party of the United States at http://www.gp.org/. You can find contact information for your state Green Party there as well. Then go to http://switch2green.org/ and join the movement. Peace to all.
'We have a Government so out of control'
No, you have a government that very nearly has all of the control they want.
The recent negative press about Blackwater's action in Iraq has been staged so that the orders to pull them out would come from other outside the Bush/Cheney cabal. They will be returning to the USA in time for the martial law doctrine, while any remaining National Guard and Reserves get called overseas to replace them.
You are all very nearly screwed.
What is the cheapest way to dispose of nuclear weapons?
-find someone to use them on.
What is the cheapest way to eliminate the expense of having the world's largest military when all you want is the doomsday stand off weapon and some private hired thugs?
-make them part of the 'collateral damage'
That's right. Blackwater will come home and your noble sons and daughters who serve in your real national military will be incinerated in a nuclear fireball in the middle east, by your own government.
Are you done talking and protesting yet?!
Nancy pulled the bill.
Ha!
Sorry for the double post. Webmaster--is there a problem with the edit function?
I can sympathize with all this hyperbolic anger toward the Congressional Democrats. Most of us outraged by the lies and crimes by our so-called president and his party.
But it's a mistake to assume that everyone is outraged. Most of my neighbors are confused by political events, misinformed or just plain scared. The these voters are easy prey for the 900 lb Gorilla no one here wants to talk about - Right Wing Mass Media.
When you include the MSM in the picture, the Dems in Congress don't seem so powerful after all. Their meager, incremental steps seem more like accomplishment rather than shortcomings.
All it will take is one terrorist incident, "that could have been avoided", if the Democrats had not, "tied the hands of law enforcement"... and the Republicans will regain the majority in Congress.
We didn't get everything we wanted from the Domestic Spying Bill... neither did BushCo. That's politics, people. No one said it was going to be quick or easy.