Iraqi Adviser: Blackwater Guards Must Go
Iraq - Iraq's Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki asked the U.S. State Department to "pull Blackwater out of Iraq," saying the private contractors committed unprovoked and random killings in a September 16 shooting, an adviser to al-Maliki told CNN.Adviser Sami al-Askari told CNN the Iraqis have concluded their investigation into the shooting at Nusoor Square in Baghdad.
Al-Askari said the United States is still waiting for the findings of the American investigation, but al-Maliki and most Iraqi officials are "completely satisfied" with the findings of their probe and are "insisting" that Blackwater leave the country.
U.S. Embassy spokeswoman Mirembe Natango told CNN by telephone that the Iraqi-U.S. joint commission met and is proceeding with its work on the matter.
"We need to let the joint commission do its work," she said, adding that once the joint commission has finished, it will make policy recommendations.
Blackwater CEO and founder Erik Prince has said the team was attacked and was defending itself at an intersection not far from the heavily guarded Green Zone on September 16. Seventeen Iraqis were killed, including women and children, and 27 were wounded, according to Iraqi officials.
Prince told CNN Sunday that the guards did not commit "deliberate violence."
"There was definitely incoming small arms fire from insurgents" he said on CNN's Wolf Blitzer on "Late Edition."
The U.S. State Department and the FBI are investigating the incident.
Survivors told harrowing stories of being shot at by the guards despite presenting no threat. The FBI has been in the process of speaking to the survivors.
The first U.S. soldiers to arrive on the scene after the incident told military investigators they found no evidence contractors were fired upon, a source familiar with a preliminary U.S. military report told CNN.
The soldiers found evidence suggesting the guards fired on cars attempting to leave and found weapon casings on the scene matching only those used by U.S. military and contractors, the military source said.
But Prince on Sunday told CNN, "In the incident reports I've seen, at least three of our armored vehicles were hit by small arms fire, incoming, and one of them damaged, which actually delayed their departure from the traffic circle while they tried to rig a tow."
A Philadelphia law firm has filed suit in federal court against Blackwater on behalf of the families of three Iraqis killed and one wounded in the in the incident, which occurred in and around Baghdad's Nusoor Square.
The suit claims Blackwater "created and fostered a culture of lawlessness amongst its employees, encouraging them to act in the company's financial interests at the expense of innocent human life."
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Show AllI URGE YOU TO TRY TO BEGIN THE BALLOT PROCESS IN YOUR STATE, IF YOU HAVE SUCH, TO CALL ON YOUR STATE TO PASS LEGISALTION THAT WOULD KEEP BLACKWATEWR AND ANY "MILITARY" CONTRACTORS OUT OF YOUR STATE OR COUNTY IN THE CASE OF AN EMERGENCY, CRISES ETC..
IF YOUR STATE DOES NOT HAVE THE BALLOT MEASURE PROCESS, THEN I URGE YOU TO DO WHAT YOU CAN TO GET YOUR CITY GOVERNMENT, COUNTY GOVERNMENT, TO DO THE SAME, TO PASS LAWS MAKING IT IMPOSSIBLE TO HIRE OR ALLOW BLACKWATER OR THEIR ILK, TO COME TO YOUR ARA INTHE CASE OF A DISASTER OR GRIM REALITY...LET'S MAKE IT CLEAR THAT WE DO NOT ALLOW, ACCEPT, OR CONDONE THE USE OF THESE PRIVATE FEUDAL ARMIES TO AQUIRE OUR TAX DOLLARS..AND SHOVE US AROUND..POSSE COMMITTATUS?
ALSO, WHILE YOUR AT IT..TRY TO GET AT LEAST SOMETHING ITNO THE PUBLIC RECORD SO YOU CAN SUE AFTER THEY ABUSE YOUR RIGHTS WHEN THEY DO ARRIVE..ALSO LAW'S PREVENTING BLACKWATER EMPLOYEES, FORMER, CURRENT ETC..FROM JOBS WITH "ACTUAL BADGES" IS VERY IMPORTANT..DO YOU WANT TO BE STOPPED BY AN EX-BLACKWATER MERCENARY AT 1 AM ON YOUR WAY BACK FROM WHATEVER BECAUSE HE/SHE IS NOW A DEPUTY OR HIGHWAY PATROL OR COP AND DOESN'T LIKE YOUR LOOKS? IT'S COMING IF WE DON'T STOP IT NOW..
IN MY TOWN WE ARE DOING THIS..WE ARE VOCAL, AND THE THREAT OF LAWSUITS OVER VIOLATIONS OF STATE LAW STEMMING FROM ABUSES BY BLACKWATER TYPES IN THE AFTERMATH OF A DISASTER..ARE WORRYING THE "LEADERSHIP" KEEP EM WORRIED..BLACKWATER AND IT'S ILK WILL CONTINUE TO ABUSE PEOPLE, AND VIOLATE LAWS, HUMAN RIGHTS..ETC..AND EVERY TIME A HEADLINE HAPPENS..CALL OR WRITE YOUR "RE-PRESENTATIVES" AND POINT IT OUT...EVENTUALLY ...MAYBE..IF WERE LUCKY..FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY WILL WIN OUT OVER..WHAT EVER IT IS..FRUSTRATED FANTASIES OF MACHO CITY COUNCILMEN/COME REALESTATE AGENTS..WHO LIKE THE IDEA OF IDIOTS IN BODY ARMOUR AND BACKWARDS BASEBALL HATS SHOVING CITIZENS AROUND...LAWSUITS..LAWSUITS..LAWSUITS...UNTIL THEY ARE NO MORE...
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Blackwater should go. Back to Iraq. Not with guns, but in chains.
Just like the Repubs and Dems who voted for this war. The pundits in the MSM, and the corporate honchos, who advocated it. And the "brave" troops and mercs who did it.
The USA would be a far better place without these monsters. And, if held in chains, they could begin to clean up their mess.
1) sandyk77: No one is required to read all the postings. If you don't like the long ones, skip 'em.
2) What is it Bush/Cheney call the non-military people they round up and isolate for years on end in those notorious torture pits? You know, the term they use as an excuse to exclude them from the protections of the Geneva Convention ... oh yeah ... "enemy combatants". How about the Iraqis round up our mercenaries and label them "enemy combatants". Then they can mete out whatever form of justice they wish. Bush/Cheney can't say a word. After all, they invented the game.
Wow! What a flock of paranoid, lefty, nutsows on this blog! If you big mouths were in New Orleans after Katrina you would know why Blackwater was hired to protect government workers. By the way the blood thirsty bastards didn't kill or injure anyone in New Orleans. Imagine that! In 2007, 1300+ Blackwater missions completed and less than 1% had any weapons fire associated. Hummm! That sure doesn't sound too bloodthirsty. Wakeup you nutsows. That's a war going on out there and history show there are going to be more. You are lucky you are speaking English and not German.
If this nightmare is ever over, I wonder what corporate interests the Blackwater brown shirts would protect next?
Maybe against unions striking? Maybe to stifle dissent?
No, I'm being silly. That could never happen in the land of the free. No way.
I wished I really believed that.
TC
They're just cowboys from a country full of cowboys, every single one of them represent the USA just as it is. I saw the bumper stickers and the flags after Bush and company organised 9/11, you were not taken in, how could you be with the largest military in the world and 19 incompetent arabs overcame it with box cutters. Most of you went along with this ARMED Robbery but it went bottom up so now you're all looking for the door marked EXIT.
The Turkish government have now approved an incursion into Iraq to round up the gangsters which the USA encouraged. When will it end? it will not for a long time, it's just the beginning. The missiles will start raining down on the USA and then you lot may wake up to reality.
Most of us and our families are going to die within three months after the depression hits, so it doesn't matter what happens in Iran, Iraq, China, or anyplace else. You have about six months, perhpas eight at the most. Then those left, will have to sweat out the DU and other radio-active elements in the atmosphere. By 2012, the most populated areas on Earth will be the Australian outback and mountainous areas of the planet. Stop worrying about the small stuff.
Peacemaker, were you a former republican voter?
I find your remarks very interesting, prticularly if you were. As for myself, from literally childhood, hearing of their "vanguard" member Barry Goldwater, I always understood what Republicans stood for.
shakker,
Right you are about government bribing and damaging religion and the truly faithful.
Thanks
To peacemaker above:
Thank you for saying so much in on sentence:
"When private business gets their hand in the taxpayer's pocket you can bet the taxpayer is going to loose billions in the association".
This is the biggest difference I know between Democrats and Republicans. Democrats seek programs that let
citizens and government employees "get hands in the taxpayers' pocket" transparently. Republicans seek programs to let "private businesses" do it under the secret wraps of private contracts.
I was slightly concerned about what religion would do to government. The real disaster is what government is doing to religion. Faith based initiatives are bribes to churches and preachers to prevent any of them from opposing the immoral and counter productive actions of their new found 'friends'.
Many of the right wing nut preachers are and will always be racist bigots, however the massive actions of the government are bound to pinch on some point. But right wing preachers are now bought, they can't betray their true god MONEY.
A similar perversion has happened to the media.
sandyk77
"Blackwater sucks and needs to be removed.
Bush & Dickwad suck and need to give all the money back they stole and then be transferred to the Hague for war crimes. 'Nuf said."
couldn't have said it better myself :)
mauler, ezeflyer, Galen,
So true. here in Pittsburgh you don't have to drive so far, all you have to do is get out of the city limits into the suburbs. I got culture (or maybe lack-of-culture) shock when I moved from the city to the surrounding white-bread boroughs.
This is one of the many reasons a lot of us quit voting Republican. Their need to always privatize government agencies. Reagan called it 'deregulation' but all it was private business ripping off the taxpayer and consumer. When private business gets their hand in the taxpayer's pocket you can bet the taxpayer is going to loose billions in the association. I didn't think anyone could be any worse for screwing the taxpayer than Reagan. But, Bush is far worse. He doesn't even pretend to like American's. He feels about us like he doesn't the Constitution. He could care less what happens to this country as long as he and his cronies get their pocket's full of cash before he leaves office. Republican's have done more to screw the working person in this country. But, so many American's don't see it. I am not really certain why they don't either? Everything the Republican party does is done for big business or Christianity. People will give up a decent paying job to keep their damned gun, make abortion illegal or discriminate against gays. Most American's are self-destructive. They seem to have lost their direction this last 7 years. Bush as brought out the absolute worst in this country. I don't know if we are going to survive his tenure in office.
The fact of the matter is that non-military combatants are banned by the Geneva convention. Eric Prince and the people who hired him are WAR CRIMINALS.
Ken Hausle--I live in SC. Not one of the outposts of civilization, like Charlotte. Yes, it's bad. Very bad.
Congratulations Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki for standing up to Bushco and demanding that Blackwater must go. Now, take a deep breath and continue by demanding that Bushco remove all of his troops out of your country. You can do it. You won't be standing alone.
The Blackwater situation is just one more problematic aspect of the invasion and occupation of Iraq.
This adds another component for citizens, government and military officials to consider in the current mix of overt and covert agendas involved.
Food for thought in the article ...
"Iraq War psychology: Exploring hearts and minds of American officials, journalists, average people"
http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/viewArticle.asp?articleID=13668
Even if Blackwater is pulled out of Iraq -- more likely they will be there albeit in a more limited capacity -- there are other mercenary outfits that are just as bad.
divine mauler and ezeflyer - do you think you can understand a state just be driving through it or spending a day or two there? Maybe you can get a "feel for it", but go live there for a year or so if you really want to know. There are good folks in every state, just like there are stinking, monstrous, local-business destroying, community interaction diminishing, Wal-Marts in every state. Jeepers.
Ken Hausle
Charlotte, NC
Are you folks going to let these bastards steal your country? You must have elected them
amandla October 16th, 2007 6:39 pm
OK. The prime minister of the country has stated that he is "completely satisfied" with his country's investigation and he wants Blackwater out, end of story.
He is holding off on signing the deal Big Oil wants. The man is at least principled at not bankrupting the Iraqi people for American gain.
salvia October 16th, 2007 5:25 pm
amandla October 16th, 2007 6:39 pm
Why don't you get your own blog site? I don't read loooooonnnng long posts and my guess is neither do most folks.
Blackwater sucks and needs to be removed.
Bush & Dickwad suck and need to give all the money back they stole and then be transferred to the Hague for war crimes. 'Nuf said.
Prince is apparently an eye witness or better! a lieing evangelical neocon. Worse, any news organization including the US Congress who interviewed him have got to be A-holes. Who didn't know what he would say, even before the incident happened. DUH!
misanthrope:
That's it in a nutshell!
It's easy to see what you wrote as cynical, but it's the absolute truth. Well said.
My lady lives in Lansing, MI. She says it's a cultural wasteland that looks like a Mad Max trailer park or industrial blight.
Guess what?
She's moving north to be with me here in Canada.
I just finished a drive across the country, weaving in and out of back country roads to reach North Carolina. Let me add this observation to the debate about the American war machine. We're doomed. There's nothing out there but Christian churches, McDonald's, Wal-Marts, and 24/7 hysterical drum beating for war and revenge on right wing talk radio. Nothing else. A cultural void so deep and wide, there's no fixing the problem. I'm convinced we will have to fall before we can rise again, and who knows if that's even possible. I lived through the Vietnam era, and today it's much worse and forbidding. Sorry, folks, but optimism's not in the cards.
Using Blackwater in Iraq is the same mentality as using private collection agencies to go after unpaid taxes in place of the IRS, or using private security at airports instead of TSA. Citizens pay too much for the "services" in those deals, the profits we pay for are thrown to political patrons, legislated rules get by-passed, and sooner or later we citizens find ourselves embarrassed (again) at excess and over-reach and asking why we let it happen.
I know, I know, Dems and Repugs are said by many to be just the same. Did anybody notice that Republicans like to outsource everything and Democrats generally like to have things done by good ole government employees adhering to codes of conduct?
Like maybe foreign security done by soldiers under a sensible chain of command, instead of what we see with random murders committed in our name by mercenaries?
send the repressive blackwaters back to the usa. then perhaps the american people will then have reason to pick up the guns, and free their own country...
I wrote about the mercenaries in 2003, and prompted Tom Engelhardt at TOMDISPATCH, who promised and followed through to write about them the next day. Tom expressed to me his concern about "private armies" as well. I said I believed they would come home to be used in any way the Bushites could conjure up in disasters, as union busters and as "guards" at the polls, some time later they appeared in New Orleans in the wake of Katrina. They need not only to be fired but disbanded and extradited to whomever has claims against them and then the remainder along with their CEO to be deported and indicted for multiple murders. He is no more than a mobster, killing innocent people. It is time that rich murderers pay the same price as the Mafia. There appears to be a prejudice against Italian, Brown and Black mobsters that does not appear against hypocritical, "Christian" Right, mercenary mobsters.
I say send Prince and his men to the gallows with Saddam!
I just came back from South Carolina. Same thing.
Will Blackwater initiate a Diem action?
If Blackwater is kicked out their employees will be hired by other mercenary companies.
So the guns-for-hire have to get new business cards. Whoop-de-doo.
'Black-water' and 'Die-bold', -what fascinating names these cave dwellers choose...
OK. The prime minister of the country has stated that he is "completely satisfied" with his country's investigation and he wants Blackwater out, end of story. So what is the fucking hold-up? If the Americans eventually come to the conclusion that they believe Prince's lies that his mercs were defending themselves, are they going to challenge and ignore the verdict of the leader of the democracy they just installed by allowing Blackwater to stay?
The Americans have no respect for al-Maliki or anyone else in Iraq. Al-Maliki is going to maintain a hard stance in this situation because he wants to show the Iraqis that he is not a puppet, that he can act independent of US direction. If al-Maliki steps too far out of line and begins creating to much a public relations problem, he might find his next convoy targeted by an unfortunate case of "friendly fire" or "mistaken identity".
There should be no more debate at this point. Turn over the guilty Blackwater mercs to the Iraqis for their trials (these guys killed Iraqis, so the Iraqis should be the ones to judge them according to their laws) and get the rest of those thuggish assholes out of the country.
The saddest thing is that our troops are feeling the hatred directed against them in large part because outfits like blackwater are runnin' and gunnin' while they have to stay within the limits of military engagement.
Just another example of bushcon's love for the troops....
Remember the Hessians on their religious holiday?
Headline that will appear soon:
Nouri al-Malaki, Iraq's head of state, assasinated by 'terrorists'.
Sadly, when it comes to a "no brainer," one needs at least half a brain to comprehend that concept, and this administration has done nothing outside the box, thinking abstractly, or in the real world.
How many thousand upon thousand of times did we hear "Stay the course!" as if GWB knew no other words even....until FINALLY even THEY figured out it was WAY PAST COUNTERPRODUCTIVE.
Now, we'll see just how "sovereign" the al-Maliki government is. I figure Blackwater stays and the Iraq-Namese government goes.
As usual, this should be a no brainer. Get Blackwater out of Iraq and don't give them any more contracts. Now, all we need to do is sit back and watch the opposite happen.
"Blackwater: a summary of what Americans are paying for with their tax dollars"
http://www.chycho.com/?q=Blackwater
It has taken a long time for the mainstream media to finally catch-up with the bloggers and the truth movement and report on what is referred to as "America's Private Army". We welcome them to the truth, but unfortunately, as children who have recently discovered that there is no Santa Clause, they seem to be surprised as to the revelations of what is and has been happening.
If their disbelief about Blackwater is genuine, or not, is something that you will have to personally decide. Many believe that the mainstream media has been conveniently asking the wrong questions and looking in the wrong places to find the truth. And if they have known the truth, they have either decided not to report it, or as Dan Rather of CBS Evening News fame is declaring, for important news stories, they have been forbidden from reporting it.
No matter, we forgive them for their transgressions.
However, the mainstream media will continue to water down the story. One of their objectives will be to prevent their viewers from going into shock after finding out what has been transpiring while they were sleeping, though appeasing their masters is the more likely reason.
To help expedite the flow of information about what American tax dollars have been paying for the last few years consider reviewing the following articles and videos:
Article and Video: Bush's Shadow Army - "Jeremy Scahill reports on the Bush Administration's growing dependence on private security forces such as Blackwater USA and efforts in Congress to rein them in."
Video: The Hidden Massacre of Fallujah (27:07) - The War Crimes the United States is willing to commits to avenge these mercenaries.
Article: Blackwater: Inside America's Private Army - "Enter a world where the military has become a business – where citizen soldiers work for a private company whose currency comes from conflict. It's a place some salute and others fear. And it's right in our backyard. This series was one of three finalists for the 2007 Pulitzer Prize for Explanatory Reporting."
Video, Audio and Transcript: Democracy Now! Report: Pivotal Family Lawsuit Against Blackwater USA Blocked from Court, and Moved to Panel with Company Ties - "A landmark lawsuit brought by the families of four employees of the security firm Blackwater USA killed in Iraq three years ago has been partially derailed. This week, a federal judge ordered the lawsuit to be decided behind closed doors in arbitration -- allowing Blackwater to avoid public examination of its practices in Iraq."
Video: Iraq For Sale: The War Profiteers (1:15:40) - "Iraq for Sale: The War Profiteers is the story of what happens to everyday Americans when corporations go to war. Acclaimed director Robert Greenwald (Wal-Mart: The High Cost of Low Price, Outfoxed and Uncovered) takes you inside the lives of soldiers, truck drivers, widows and children who have been changed forever as a result of profiteering in the reconstruction of Iraq. Iraq for Sale uncovers the connections between private corporations making a killing in Iraq and the decision makers who allow them to do so. Brave New Films are both funded and distributed completely outside corporate America. Over 3000 people donated to make Iraq for Sale, and it is up to you to distribute it. Give copies to co-workers and organize a screening in your neighborhood. Get involved!!"
Article: Blackwater Mercenaries Deploy in New Orleans - "Heavily armed paramilitary mercenaries from the Blackwater private security firm, infamous for their work in Iraq, are openly patrolling the streets of New Orleans. Some of the mercenaries say they have been 'deputized' by the Louisiana governor; indeed some are wearing gold Louisiana state law enforcement badges on their chests and Blackwater photo identification cards on their arms."
Article: After Fallujah: The Truth About the Blackwater Mercenaries - "Blackwater was founded in 1997. Like dozens of similar companies, it has been growing with amazing speed, thanks to huge contracts from the Pentagon. And Blackwater is just a small piece of a much, much larger trend."
Article: Protest Grows over Blackwater U.S.A Training Camp - "Blackwater USA, a security company that supplies hundreds of armed civilian personnel for duties in Iraq, is seeking to build a 220-acre training camp on an 800-acre parcel (in eastern San Diego County) that now is dedicated to egg farming and cattle ranching."
Article: Blackwater Refuses To Leave Iraq Despite Ban - "Despite having their license revoked by the Iraqi government, and being banned from operating in the country all together, The private contractor company Blackwater USA is continuing operations in Baghdad and has refused to pull its operatives out of Iraq."
Two short Videos: Blackwater killing innocent Iraqi civilians, and an Iraqi sniper killing Americans soldiers - "Many videos have come out of Iraq showing the results of the US invasion. Some have shown the complete brutality of the war, some the humanitarian efforts to save lives, while others show the day to day activity of Iraqi civilians and/or American troops. Two videos however have captured the true nature of this war better then any other that I have seen."
Get Blackwater out of the U.S. These lying, drunken, bloodthirsty thugs are trying to build a training center outside of San Diego. There goes the neighborhood. And Eric Prince is obviously a liar. Tell me again why they got a no-bid contract? How much did they contribute to the Bush campaign? Come to think of it, get Bush out of the U.S,