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What Did Pelosi Know About NSA, and When Did She Know It?
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, has admitted knowing for several years about the Bush administration's eavesdropping on Americans without a court warrant. She was briefed on it when she was ranking Democrat the House Intelligence Committee when Bush and Cheney took office. But was she told that within days of their taking office, the National Security Agency's electronic vacuum cleaner had already begun to suck up information on Americans-criminal law and the Constitution be damned?
In a Washington Post op-ed of Jan. 15, 2006, Pelosi, with a uniquely long tenure on the Intelligence Committee, acknowledged that she was one of the privileged handful of lawmakers who were briefed. Referring to her seniority as ranking member, she wrote in her Post apologia sans apology, "This is how I came to be informed of President Bush's authorization for the NSA to conduct certain types of surveillance." She then proceeded to demonstrate her remarkably-one might say unconstitutionally-subservient attitude toward the Executive Branch:
"But when the administration notifies Congress in this manner, it is not seeking approval. There is a clear expectation that the information will be shared by no one, including other members of the intelligence committees. As a result, only a few members of Congress were aware of the president's surveillance program, and they were constrained from discussing it more widely."
How did the American people react upon reading in the New York Times in Dec. 2005 of this glaring infringement on their Constitutional rights. Most responded as they have been conditioned to react-out of the old fear-factor shibboleth: "After 9/11/2001 everything changed."
Yes, just as after 2/27/1933, the night of the burning of the German Parliament (Reichstag) in Berlin, everything changed.
As Sebastian Haffner, a young German lawyer and insider wrote from Berlin at the time:
"What one can blame them [German politicians and populace] for, and what shows their terrible collective weakness of character, is that this settled the matter. With sheepish submissiveness the German people accepted that, as a result of the fire, each one of them lost what little personal freedom and dignity was guaranteed by the Constitution; as though it followed as a necessary consequence. If the Communists burned down the Reichstag, it was perfectly in order that the government took "decisive measures."
"Defying Hitler, a Memoir," p. 121
And if the terrorists attacked on 9/11, it was perfectly in order that the Bush administration took "decisive measures" of similar kind. Shamefully, far too many American politicians exhibited sheepish submissiveness, when the White House PR machine pulled out all stops to exploit the trauma brought on by the attacks of 9/11. Now we have learned that it is even worse. The eavesdropping abuses began as soon as the Bush administration came into office - well before 9/11.
In recent days, thanks to an enterprising reporter for the Rocky Mountain News, we find that the president, vice president, and CIA director-not to mention the credulous crowd around Nancy Pelosi-have all been regurgitating a king-sized whopper aimed at providing "justification" for the NSA program. Administration PR consultants made this easy by inventing a clever-if retroactive-label to the program: The "Terrorist Surveillance Program." Nothing to fear, folks, unless you're telephoning or emailing Osama bin-Laden.
Whopper? Well yes. It turns out that seven months before the threat of terrorism garnered much White House attention (despite the best efforts of then-counterterrorism chief Richard Clarke to install it on everyone's screen-saver, so to speak), the administration instructed NSA to suborn American telecommunications companies to spy illegally on Americans.
Qt the time, the general counsel of Qwest Communications advised management that what NSA was suggesting was illegal. And to his credit, the then-head of the company stuck to a firm "No," unless some way were found to perform legally what NSA wanted done. Qwest's rivals, though, took their cue from the White House, adopted a flexible attitude toward the law, and got the business. They are now being sued. Lawsuit filings claim that, seven months before 9/11, AT&T "began development of a center for monitoring long distance calls and Internet transmissions and other digital information for the exclusive use of the NSA."
Adding insult to injury, draft legislation now being pushed by the White House would hold AT&T and other collaborators harmless for playing fast and loose with our right to privacy in order to enhance their bottom line. For its principled but, in government eyes, recalcitrant attitude, Qwest apparently lost out on lucrative government contracts. Yes, Before 9/11
These illegal operations, including those prior to 9/11, were enabled by Michael Hayden, then head of NSA and now director of CIA. Hayden has been out in front "justifying" illegal eavesdropping by what happened on 9/11. Did he know the illegal activities started before then? Of course; he was ordered to orchestrate them.
Did he know they were illegal? Another no-brainer. While director of NSA, Hayden had emphasized what had long been known as NSA's First Commandment: "Thou Shalt Not Eavesdrop on Americans."
But in testimony at his confirmation hearings, Hayden said that in the wake of 9/11 he "could not not do" what the president wanted him to do with the "Terrorist Surveillance Program." The hypocrisy is well nigh unbearable.
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When the program was revealed in the press in late 2005, Hayden agreed to play point man with smoke and mirrors. (Small wonder that the White House later deemed him the perfect man to head the CIA.)
Nevertheless, a whiff of conscience showed through his nomination hearing, though, when he flubbed the answer to a soft-pitch from administration loyalist, Sen. Kit Bond, R-Missouri:
"Did you believe that your primary responsibility as director of NSA was to execute a program that your NSA lawyers, the Justice Department lawyers, and White House officials all told you was legal and that you were ordered to carry it out by the president of the United States?"
Instead of the simple "Yes" that was in the script, Hayden paused and spoke rather poignantly-and revealingly: "I had to make this personal decision in early October 2001, and it was a personal decision...I could not not do this."
Why should it be such an enormous personal decision whether or not to obey a White House order? No one asked Hayden, but it requires no particular acuity to figure it out. This is a military officer who, like the rest of us, had sworn to defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; a military man well aware of the strictures against obeying an unlawful order.
President George W. Bush assured us on Jan. 23, 2006, "I had all kinds of lawyers review the process." Right. The same ones, no doubt, who were busy devising ways to "legalize" torture and indefinite detention without due process.
No American, save perhaps retired Admiral Bobby Ray Inman, who as NSA director was present at the creation of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (and who has said the Hayden-approved activities are illegal), knew FISA better than Hayden. Nonetheless, Hayden conceded that he did not even require a written legal opinion to satisfy himself that the surveillance program, to be implemented without warrant and without adequate consultation in Congress, could pass the smell test.
Small wonder that one of Hayden's predecessors as NSA director, upon learning what Hayden had agreed to do, said angrily, "He ought to be court-martialed."
And who was the NSA general counsel at the time? Robert L. Deitz, who is now a "trusted aide" to CIA Director Hayden. Deitz, we learn from recent news reports, has just been launched on an investigation of the CIA Inspector General-yes, that's right, an investigation of CIA's statutory Inspector General John Helgerson, who apparently does not fit in with the elastic ethos Hayden and his immediate predecessors brought to the agency.
It appears Helgerson is not a "team player," resisting, as he has, the reintroduction of the Nixonian dictum "It's legal if the president says it's legal." He has been taking his job too seriously for Hayden's taste-conducting honest investigations into abuses like torture. Fortunately for Helgerson and the rest of us, Hayden cannot fire him, which is handy proof of the wisdom of having statutory inspectors general. Congress' Role; and Pelosi's
What was Pelosi doing all this time?
When the illegal eavesdropping was exposed, many asked why the administration did not simply go to Congress to secure changes in the already flexible FISA law, if such were needed. In an unguarded moment at a press conference on Dec. 19, 2005, Alberto Gonzales let slip that the administration did take soundings in Congress:
"This is not a backdoor approach. We believe Congress has authorized this kind of surveillance. We have had discussions with Congress in the past - certain members of Congress - as to whether or not FISA could be amended to allow us to adequately deal with this kind of threat, and we were advised that that would be difficult, if not impossible."
Dear Madam Speaker
Were you one of those with whom Gonzales had discussions? Whether you were or you weren't. In either case it appears you were derelict in your duty.
It is time to fish or cut bait. If the Bush administration did not inform you regarding eavesdropping on Americans before 9/11, you need to reflect now on what such disregard for the laws and Constitution on matters of this importance means for future of our Republic, and cease covering up for the White House. Familiarize yourself with the orderly process the Founders wrote into the Constitution to address this kind of abuse of power. It is called impeachment; there is no reason to be afraid. You may wish to locate a copy of the Constitution and read Article II, Section 4:
"The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors."
I cannot believe that, with your pedigree and schooling, you now forget the difference between the indicative and the subjunctive mood. The Founders did not. The Constitution does not say the president "may be" impeached, unless the speaker of the House decides for some reason to keep impeachment off the table. Given the long train of abuses and usurpations of this administration, you have no choice but to begin impeachment proceedings, Madame Speaker, if protecting our rights under constitutional government means anything to you.
If the Bush administration did keep you fully informed and, out of obeisance to the executive branch you acquiesced and said nothing, you should lay down your duties as House leader forthwith and consider resigning from the House before you further endanger our freedoms.
Ray McGovern works with Tell the Word, the publishing arm of the ecumenical Church of the Saviour in Washington, DC. He was an Army infantry/intelligence officer from 1962-64, and then a CIA analyst for 27 years. He is co-founder of Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (VIPS) A shorter version of this article appeared first on Consortiumnews.com.
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Show AllAnother reason to support Cindy Sheehan. We don't need no stinkin' Nazi moles!
We need a new transparency in government and not just paying "Lip service" to that transparency.
It's time our public servants stopped treating us as if we were simple and need the protection of "big brother." Our governmental Big Brother just wants to bully us and control every aspect of our lives.
Not mine. Not yours.
Vote for me, vote for an independent that is committed to true change.
Love and Peace
Cindy Sheehan
Cindy@CindyforCongress.org
Pelosi is truly pathetic. She and Reid and those other subservient clowns should resign or be challenged by people with a conscience. Imagine these people under a Hillary Clinton administration. We will be lucky to survive it.
What's up with Nancy Pelosi having a perpetual deer-in-the-headlghts look on her face?
cindysheehan October 16th, 2007 12:12 pm
Bravo Cindy!!
The swelled heads in government are mesmerized by the power that they can acquire for themselves.
The interests of the nation dwindle in importance to their addictions for fame and fortune.
Their excuse is that 'in the future', after they have 'enough' power, then they can perform miracles.
Then they could be courageous, when there is no risk.
Then, but not now, they could represent the people, Americans, who depend on them.
Then they could do their jobs, but not now.
On the brighter side, even down here in Southern California there is a rising surge of disgust with both Dems and Reps.
Next year's election holds real possibilities for independents such as Cindy, as things are bound to be even worse by then, and people all along the spectrum look for real change.
Go Cindy!
If I were Cindy Sheehan, I would go one step further by calling for an ABOLITION of the NSA. What do you think Cindy?
P.S.: Love your Independent run. Frankly I have no faith in either the Ds or the Rs these days.
Pelosi is a political whore and her family makes millions in the arms industry. She has a vested interest in seeing the status quo maintained. She's not about to rock the boat. If you want the boat rocked, then vote for Cindy.
Hoa binh
Cindy,
I live in Florida but you got my support.
You are one of the very, very few who are willing to seriously run and work to get back our Human Rights.
This is the biggest threat to our National Security and real patriots like you can lead us to a better World.
Win or lose, this is the good fight!
Pelosi is a millionaire member of the oligarchy. She's into politics for her own pleasure, not to make the world a better place!
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"I swear by the God of my parents, I swear by my nation,
I swear by my honor that I will not allow my soul to rest,
nor my arm to relax until I have broken the chains that
oppress my people through the will of the powerful.
Free elections, free land and free men, horror to the oligarchy."
- Oath used by Hugo Chavez (when he was 28) and some of his revolutionary friends.
(Page 80, !HUGO! by Bart Jones)
Nancy Pelosi acts like an automaton, and that scared deer look is spooky. Maybe she knows what she's done has betrayed America. If she doesn't, plenty of people are telling her.
Cindy Sheehan, every progressive I know is rooting for you to take her seat. Best of all possible good wishes to you!
I like Maxpayne's idea -- abolish the NSA altogether.
Cindy ROCKS!
locust 12:53pm...well said.
Cindy Sheehan is prepared, as she has been all along, to fight Right Now! Not when we have enough votes, not when there is more bipartisanship, not when there is more power, not when the planets are aligned, but Right Now.
The Dems first proposed National Health in 1948. We're still waiting. To all the Dem appartchiks, enablers and apologists out there: doesn't it really make you feel unclean to have to keep propping up this worn out collection of do-nothings and collaborationists?
2008 may well be a great year for Independents, Greens, Libertatians, et al, for as we get closer and closer it looks more and more like Hillary vs Rudy. Oh, the horror, the horror!
Cindy, you go Girl!!!!
kucinich
I truly believe that the political elite class generally clings to the bygone precept that citizens must respect and trust the conduct, character, and personal integrity of members of Congress, and ought to defer to members' judgements in Serious matters, e.g. national security.
So that a Pelosi expects never to be taken to task for actions or inactions based on access to classified or sensitive information, and has no intention of disclosing or rigorously explaining her positions. If, now or at some future time, there is evidence that Pelosi and her colleagues indeed explicitly acquiesced in support of extra-legal and anti-constitutional "laws", policies, and procedures, I expect that they'll stonewall or haughtily preclude comment for security reasons.
This is another characteristic shared by both parties: how and why the US government got into the position it's in today is for them to know, and us to find out.
Impeach Pelosi first!
jamaz: the constitution exempts congresspeople from impeachment. but we need to pressure progressive (D)s to kick the DLCers and their ilk outta leadership positions: steny hoyer, pelosi, harry reid (how did the (D)s ever vote an fiercely anti-choice senator as majority leader anyway?!
ray mcgovern: i try to read everything you write. thank you for your courage, your service, and your respect for integrity and truth.
cindy: as a D.C. resident, i have no representation. but you can count on my support. with 54 feral feline friends to feed twice a day and bring to the vet once (or more) a year, my finances are sqeezed, but i will send what i can. you go, girl!
ah the ss america
well she was an interesting ship - lacked any moral fitness, and wasnt exactly seaworthy neither, but all the same - i'm sure some sort of reef loving creatures will make use of her once she's settled at the bottom of the warmed and toxic sea
Kucinich or Gore!
I've always seen Pelosi for what she is, she never fooled me. In fact, no Democrat ever fooled me.
I'm astounded at the fools supporting Kucinich, knowing full well that his change of beating Hitlery, Obomber or Scissorhands for the nomination is lower than ZERO.
Kucinich will lose and at the end will support one the warmongers chosen by the idiotic Democratic voters, like he did in 2000 and 2004. If you're serious, Mr. Kucinich, resign from this corrupt party TODAY.
GO CINDY GO.
Pelosi is a lost cause in terms of launching impeachment, for whatever reason (complicity with the criminals, she's caught in the headlights, she's not doing it to defy those nasty Code Pink women camped out outside her house). I should think Cindy Sheehan shouldn't have such a hard time beating her.
But what scares me is that there is no "progressive group" within the House clamoring for hearings. I know Kucinich introduced the bill to impeach Cheney, and he's pretty busy these days, but where are the others (Conyers came to mind, who years ago had unofficial hearings on impeachment--I saw them on CSPAN). Why is there no group like this, and if there is, why are they not getting the message out, holding their colleagues responsible for their failure? Where, for example, is the Black caucus, so vocal after the 2000 debacle, so much so that they opened Fahrenheit 9/11. Where are these reps???? Are all the Dems in Congress marching in lockstep?
Cindy, I can't vote for you (because of location) but I will send you money. You are an inspiration!
Better question for NP: who were/are they illegally spying on and why? Seeing as how there have been virtually zero arrests of "terrorists" in the "homeland" in seven years, not a single "sleeper cell" found, not a single plot uncovered and thwarted (the decoys and distractions not withstanding,) the mysterious "anthrax" killer remains at large (cough)...
Who, Nancy? The militant librarians? The deadly Quakers for Peace? Members of the United Nations? Anyone who ever looked at Cheneybush crosseyed? The Democrat party? Corporate competitors?
We're not that f**cking dumb, Nancy. Cheneybush are illegally spying on We The People for reasons yet to be revealed. Now that you've admitted to being allowed into the liars club, tell us who's on the list.
Suspicions confirmed.
But this is obviously NOT a 'high crime or misdemeanor' requiring impeachment. Riiigghht!
At least that is what my Congressional rep whp was also on the committee keeps stating.
A rose by any other name.......
But a Democrat by any other name is still a Republican at heart and bound to defend Bush policy.
Who is the Chimp?
I thought a human being was in the white house.
I wish it were a chimp.
kgarry: I just reread the Constitution and can find nothing that prohibits impeachment of a Congressperson. There is the part about secure from arrest while performing their duties or traveling between the Capitol and their jurisdiction, except for Treason, Felony, or Breach of the Peace. It says that the House has sole Power of Impeachment, but does not exempt them from it.
The president is barred from pardoning anyone who has been impeached, which means that they can be tried, convicted and imprisoned. That is why Nixon made his deal. He resigned before being impeached, the new appointee gave him his pardon, and his slate was clean. Otherwise he would have been subject to trial and would have been convicted of his high crimes and misdemeanors, including, no doubt, perjury.
Impeachment was not intended to be an absolute last ditch means of removing an erring president. Impeachment, if you read the Constitution carefully, is to remove from office and any position of public trust, those who have violated the public trust.
Practically every bottom feeder in DC warrants impeachment and that is why they fight doing it. It might catch on and We the People might clean house. Horrors!!!
My Dad once gave me the definition of an "honest politician." He said it is one who stays bought. I think we have scads of them in all walks of government, but especially in DC.
Something's not kosher here. I've heard a few media reports recently, as well, that Hayden enabled illegal wiretapping before 9/11.
So the $64,000 question: If there were such wiretaps, how is it that 9/11 wasn't prevented? How is it that bin Laden is still supposedly running amok?
Is it sort of like Hoover reporting that organized crime doesn't exist?
There is a saying one that who follows a group or another is an idiot. Perhaps the moral compass is broken for most in power.
Well, well, well. One more instance that proves Pelosi is a sell-out whore to the Republicans.
Read the PNAC manifesto. They needed a "Pearl Harbor" to mobilize the people into supporting a war. Remember, they want an overwhelmingly overpowering military and that military is to stand astride the world, making it safe for big business and profits. Major profits, of course, coming from the military.
Whether it was a black op by us, or we just knew it was coming and helped it along by grounding our fighters, etc., 9/11 was just what the doctor ordered for the Neocon dream.
jamaz:
Article 2, Section 4, specifies that
"The President, Vice President and all civil officers of the United States, shall be removed from office on impeachment for, and conviction of, treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors."
civil officers include federal judges and cabinet members, but do not include senators and representatives (the senate and house deal with misconduct by their own members.
Hopefully Cindy has moved beyond believing that she and Nancy agree on everything except the Iraq War.
It appears that nuclear power, the pre-Dubya constitution and many other issues differentiate Nancy and Cindy.
Cindy needs to hammer these issues every day in order to put Nancy on the defensive and keep her there right up until election day. That is how political campaigns are won.
Well, this removes any doubt about Ms. Pelosi -- she's an accessory.
Impeachment for all who have broken with the Constitution. May it not be time to Impeach and Imprison all of these criminals no matter the party? Seems as though the party is over if we as a country haven't got a Constitution. Does anyone know of a rule of law how We the People can start proceedings? Doesn't seem to be any elected officials who are standing up to their Constitutional Duties....Yes Dennis is trying, but where are the Doers?
In response to: locust October 16th, 2007 12:53 pm "Next year's election holds real possibilities for independents such as Cindy, as things are bound to be even worse by then, and people all along the spectrum look for real change."
I respect your optimism that there will actually be elections next year. And I do hope that your optimism is rewarded.
I'm thinking that, as of this moment, the odds are 65-35 against elections. Every day that the anit-Iran noise gets louder, the worse the odds get.
If they were wiretapping, why didn't they find out about 9-11 beforehand? Surprise! THEY KNEW ABOUT IT. They WANTED it to happen. Go to Newamericancentury.org and see for yourself. They WANTED a new Pearl Harbor, in their own words, and they were elated when it happened. They had over 60 warnings which they ignored entirely.
Pelosi should be flogged and thrown overboard for the sharks. She has proven time and time again that she holds the constitution in just as much contempt as W does. She has been wiping her ass with it in just the same way.
So Pelosi doesn't see an impeachable offense? I do. It's called SPYING ON AMERICAN CITIZENS. Christ almighty, how much MORE does ANYONE need to see? PRIOR to 9-11, our supposed national wake up call, they were spying on us. WHY? What was the excuse? Nothing had happened, yet, and they were still spying on us!!! There is NO excuse for that, and there is NO excuse for NOT impeaching the whole goddamned lot of them.
I think that someone should send her a copy of the constitution and underline the part where it says that impeachment SHALL be used, not MAY be uswed. SHALL be used. The founding fathers actually INTENDED for the president to be removeed when there was ANY kind of an issue. This is NOT a divisive thing, it's a way to save the county from interlopers, fools, chareltons and crooks. Pelosi has turned her back on the country, the constitution and the people of this country. She has proven she has NO clue as to what her job is, and she is a complete failure as a speaker of the house.
Ms Sheehan, if that is indeed you in the post above and not just some troll, please do run. I suspect that you will win in one of the biggest landslides in the history of the country. PLEASE do. While I can't vote for you, I do encourage your run. SOMEONE has to get rid of this traitorous woman.
In fact, folks, vote out EVERYONE who currently sits in office. Run against incumbents, if you can. Support those who do if you can't do it yourselves. We can not survive as a country is we keep any of them around. And the longer they have been there, the more they need to go home. Send them a copy of the constitution and tell them to read it. Then vote them out so they KNOW how they have failed us.
I'm all for impeachment, but lets get the facts straight: Article II of the Constitution does NOT imply that congress MUST impeach Bush just because he appears to have committed high crimes and misdemeanors. The precise meaning (and we have to be precise because the constitution is a legal document) of the passage McGovern quotes is that they MUST remove him from office IF he is both impeached and convicted of "high crimes and misdemeanors".
The implication is that, if an individual is impeached and convicted of high crimes and misdemeanors, congress cannot just give that person a slap on the wrist or a fine, they MUST remove them from office.
Of course, if congress is a bunch of cowards, they can just refuse to impeach in the first place.
Congress-persons ought to impeach Bush, not because they are forced to do so by the language of Article II (in fact, they are not forced by this language), but because they are forced to do so by their oath of office, taken by all elected officials, to protect and defend the constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic.
As this article shows, Bush and his cabal represent a domestic enemy to the constitution. The remedy is impeachment.
Our worst fears are probably true. This is just what was and who attempted by Smedley Butler except that it's an inside job. The point is, that being taken by that contrivance should not so tarnish a person as to disable her from participation in the correction or survival of the shituation. It is clear that if it can be ameliorated, so many things have been wrongly accomplished that the path should be substantially corrected by it's defeat. We certainly don't want to end up with another Nixon being elected.
On the other hand, the present course is ultimately doomed to failure and a more complete change will ensue.
Let's at least try to just not elect another nixon, and quit insisting on ideological purity and completeness. There are so many things that insisting on them all will result in our consuming each other, again.
Tolerance among ourselves is not all that bad an idea.
Excellent work Ray McGovern, I'd love to see everyone bring pressure for Ms. Pelosi to step down or be impeached FIRST.
Sure, let's amputate a few arms and legs before we begin the march.
I am struck by literally hundreds of reports, articles, and editorials I've read that have ended by pleading with Nancy Pelosi to DO something about Bush's destruction of America, the law, our rights, our Constitution. The Bush administration actions are clearly laid out, as this one is, and then we come to realize that we learned the truth too late, the deed's damage has been done, and Nancy Pelosi knew but doesn't intend to do anything except march in lockstep with the Bush agenda.
I think I know what's she's doing. She's going to let Bush et al continue their vandalism of America as long as Bush is president and hopes to go in with a broom and clean it up later, no matter what the cost is to America or the world.
This woman has GOT to go.
Nixon was a bit to the left of all of our recent Presidents. Bush Jr, Clinton, Bush Sr., Reagan.
After all, I couldn't picture Clinton passing a Clean Water Act or a Clean Air Act or putting into place price controls to limit inflation. Nixon did all of that.
Yes Virginia, we've moved so far to the right that Nixon is now on the left.
fresh1 is correct in his reading of that passage.
However, each member of Congress also took an oath of office to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States. Its that oath that would require action given the current facts.
There's a legal concept that basically says that if you are a part of the system ('officer of the court'), then you have certain obligations. For instance if an officer of the court becomes aware of the commission of a crime, they must report it. The same principle should apply to members of Congress, and that oath of office says that it does. That is that a member of Congress has a certain duty to the nation as a whole. That duty, expressed in that phrase about protecting and defending the Constitution says that when a member of Congress becomes aware of actions that threaten the integrity of our government, then they must act. Its their duty. Its a duty to the nation that comes along with the big salaries, the perks, and the opportunity to get rich that a seat in Congress provides.
So, tell me, what score, from 0 to 10, would you give Ms. Pelosi on 'protecting and defending the Consitution'?
WJM has the key point.
This sort of spying on Americans didn't protect any of us from the first 9-11, so there's no reason to believe it would protect us from a future attack.
Indeed. Let's not send the message we want another Nixon. I think Dennis, or John or whoever gets the nomination is the right way to go, but let's not equate relative impotence with intent. Let's elect more democrats and then infer motive. No matter how many peaches, you still cannot make an apple pie out of them.
The odds are 99.9% in favor of there being elections.
a) Bush wants out of his job. You can see it on his face at any appearence. Even with the month long vacations, this is harder than he's ever worked. He wants out to go play. He looks like a kid waiting for recess to come.
b) Elections provide no threat because the system is well under control. The Presidential election would be between Hillary and Ghouliani. Both are certain to continue all current policies, and neither would investigate or punish members of the current regime. Congress is safe simply because to change Congress we need about 470 Cindy Sheehans. Unfortunately we only have one. Even if she beats Pelosi, she's a lone voice in the Congress. Thus no threat to the existing powers.
We will certainly have elections. Failing to have them poses the risk of waking the sleeping American public. Given that the elections system is well controlled to deliver the results of only electing pro-corporate politicians, there is much less risk in having elections than in not having them.
If you elect more Democrats, you'll just get more of the same. If you want change, you can't elect Democrats that are committed to maintaining the status quo.
The point that Nixon pursued policies that would be far too radical and leftwing for any Democrat to voice today is very telling. It shows how today's Democratic Party bears little or no relation to the myth of the old Democratic Party that still exists.
To me, it makes no difference if a pro-war, pro-corporate, pro-police state Democrat wins or if a pro-war, pro-corporate, pro-police state Republican wins.
The Democrats have shown over and over they support the same policies. And if you doubt it, just wait because they'll prove it again soon. Soon they'll pass the law giving the telecom companies the immunity they want for breaking the law and spying on us.
If you want change, don't vote Democrat.
We don't even have a jurisprudence which adequately considers maaters arising from an oath of allegiance and service. Saying that there is violates Hume's Hurdle totally. I truly have a sense of the betrayal being wrought by this administration, but I almost fear his being formally accused more than our ability to overcome this ilk, these fascist.........
So we don't want to try to avoid the same unintended (and uncounted) consequesnces of plunging into chaos violently which has recurred and recurred all through history -- another French (I'm moving to Paris) Revolution. Comeon, power and it's abuse will remain no matter what is done. We're going to exclude classes of people from our society?