Is Hillary Clinton the New Old Al Gore?
THE Democrats can't lose the White House in 2008, can they?
Some 13 months before Election Day, the race's dynamic seems immutable. Americans can't wait to evict the unpopular president and end his disastrous war. As the campaign's poll-tested phrasemaking constantly reminds us, voters crave change above all else. That means nearly any Democrat might do, even if the nominee isn't the first woman, black or Hispanic to lead a major party's ticket.
The Republican field of aging white guys, meanwhile, gets flakier by the day. The front-runner has taken to cooing to his third wife over a cellphone in the middle of campaign speeches. His hottest challenger, the new "new Reagan," may have learned his lines for "Law & Order," but clearly needs cue cards on the stump. In Florida, even the most rudimentary details of red-hot local issues (drilling in the Everglades, Terri Schiavo) eluded him. The party's fund-raising is anemic. Its snubs of Hispanic and African-American voters kissed off essential swing states in the Sun Belt and moderate swing voters farther north.
So nothing can go wrong for the Democrats. Can it?
Of course it can, and not just because of the party's perennial penchant for cutting off its nose to spite its face. (Witness the Democratic National Committee's zeal in shutting down primary campaigning in Florida because the state moved up the primary's date.) The biggest indicator of potential trouble ahead is that the already-codified Beltway narrative for the race so favors the Democrats. Given the track record of Washington's conventional wisdom, that's not good news. These are the same political pros who predicted that scandal would force an early end to the Clinton presidency and that "Mission Accomplished" augured victory in Iraq and long-lasting Republican rule.
The Beltway's narrative has it not only that the Democrats are shoo-ins, but also that the likely standard-bearer, Hillary Clinton, is running what Zagat shorthand might describe as a "flawless campaign" that is "tightly disciplined" and "doesn't make mistakes." This scenario was made official last weekend, when Senator Clinton appeared on all five major Sunday morning talk shows - a publicity coup, as it unfortunately happens, that is known as a "full Ginsburg" because it was first achieved by William Ginsburg, Monica Lewinsky's lawyer, in 1998.
Mrs. Clinton was in complete control. Forsaking TV studios for a perfectly lighted set at her home in Chappaqua, she came off like a sitting head of state. The punditocracy raved. We are repeatedly told that with Barack Obama still trailing by double digits in most polls, the only way Mrs. Clinton could lose her tight hold on the nomination and, presumably, the White House would be if she were bruised in Iowa (where both John Edwards and Senator Obama remain competitive) or derailed by unforeseeable events like a scandal or a domestic terror attack.
If you buy into the Washington logic that a flawless campaign is one that doesn't make gaffes, never goes off-message and never makes news, then this analysis makes sense. The Clinton machine runs as smoothly and efficiently as a Rolls. And like a fine car, it is just as likely to lull its driver into complacent coasting and its passengers to sleep. What I saw on television last Sunday was the incipient second coming of the can't-miss 2000 campaign of Al Gore.
That Mr. Gore, some may recall, was not the firebrand who emerged from defeat, speaking up early against the Iraq war and leading the international charge on global warming. It was instead the cautious Gore whose public persona changed from debate to debate and whose answers were often long-winded and equivocal (even about the Kansas Board of Education's decision to ban the teaching of evolution). Incredibly, he minimized both his environmental passions and his own administration's achievements throughout the campaign.
He, too, had initially been deemed a winner, the potential recipient of a landslide rather than a narrow popular-vote majority. The signs were nearly as good for Democrats then as they are now. The impeachment crusade had backfired on the Republicans in the 1998 midterms; the economy was booming; Mr. Gore's opponent was seen as a lightweight who couldn't match him in articulateness or his mastery of policy, let alone his eight years of Clinton White House experience.
Mrs. Clinton wouldn't repeat Mr. Gore's foolhardy mistake of running away from her popular husband and his record, even if she could. But almost every answer she gave last Sunday was a rambling and often tedious Gore-like filibuster. Like the former vice president, she often came across as a pontificator and an automaton - in contrast to the personable and humorous person she is known to be off-camera. And she seemed especially evasive when dealing with questions requiring human reflection instead of wonkery.
Reiterating that Mrs. Clinton had more firsthand White House experience than any other candidate, George Stephanopoulous asked her to name "something that you don't know that only a president can know." That's hardly a tough or trick question, but rather than concede she isn't all-knowing or depart from her script, the senator deflected it with another mini-speech.
Then there was that laugh. The Clinton campaign's method for heeding the perennial complaints that its candidate comes across as too calculating and controlled is to periodically toss in a smidgen of what it deems personality. But these touches of intimacy seem even more calculating: the "Let's chat" campaign rollout, the ostensibly freewheeling but tightly controlled Web "conversations," the supposed vox populi referendum to choose a campaign song (which yielded a plain-vanilla Celine Dion clunker).
Now Mrs. Clinton is erupting in a laugh with all the spontaneity of an alarm clock buzzer. Mocking this tic last week, "The Daily Show" imagined a robotic voice inside the candidate's head saying, "Humorous remark detected - prepare for laughter display." However sincere, this humanizing touch seems as clumsily stage-managed as the Gores' dramatic convention kiss.
None of this would matter if the only issue were Mrs. Clinton's ability as a performer. Not every president can be Reagan or J.F.K. or, for that matter, Bill Clinton. But in her case, as in Mr. Gore's in 2000, the performance too often dovetails with the biggest question about her as a leader: Is she so eager to be all things to all people, so reluctant to offend anyone, that we never will learn what she really thinks or how she will really act as president?
So far her post-first-lady record suggests a follower rather than a leader. She still can't offer a credible explanation of why she gave President Bush the authority to go to war in Iraq (or why she voted against the Levin amendment that would have put on some diplomatic brakes). That's because her votes had more to do with hedging her political bets than with principle. Nor has she explained why it took her two years of the war going south to start speaking up against it. She was similarly tardy with her new health care plan, waiting to see what heat Mr. Edwards and Senator Obama took with theirs. She has lagged behind the Democratic curve on issues ranging from the profound (calling for an unequivocal ban on torture) to the trivial (formulating a response to the MoveOn.org Petraeus ad).
As was proved again in Wednesday night's debate, her opponents have not yet figured out how to seriously challenge her. Now the story line of her inevitable triumph is gathering force. At the same time, her campaign works relentlessly to shut down legitimate journalistic vetting of her record. In the latest example, Politico.com reported last week on the murky backstage machinations by the Clinton camp before the magazine GQ killed an article by Joshua Green, whose 2006 Atlantic Monthly profile judged Mrs. Clinton a practitioner of "systematic caution" with "no big ideas." The donors' list and first lady archives at the Clinton presidential library remain far from transparent.
Senator Clinton may well be the Democrats' most accomplished would-be president. But we won't know for certain until she's tested by events she can't control. Had Bill Bradley roughed up Mr. Gore in 2000, it might have jolted him into running a smarter race against George W. Bush.
In this context it's worth noting that Mr. Bush's desperate lame-duck campaign to brand himself as a reincarnation of Harry Truman is not 100 percent ludicrous. A tiny part of the analogy could yet pan out. In 1948, Washington's commentators and pollsters were convinced that Americans, tired of 15 years of Democratic rule, would vote in a Republican. Like today's G.O.P., the Democrats back then were saddled with both an unloved incumbent president and open divisions in the party's ranks on both its left and right flanks. Surely, the thinking went, the beleaguered Democrats couldn't possibly vanquish a presidential candidate from New York known for his experience, competence, uncontroversial stands and above-the-fray demeanor.
You don't want to push historical analogies too far, but it's hard not to add that the campaign slogan of that sure winner, Thomas Dewey, had a certain 2008 ring to it: "It's time for a change."
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Show AllYou know, I was really hoping that we would get a progressive candidate through the primaries, and we still can if people would quit listening to the talking heads in Washington and instead listen to the candidates themselves.
It seems that everyone wants what Dennis Kucinich is offering(out of Iraq, universal health care, government reform, etc.), but because the Beltway Dems are pushing Hillary, that's who people are going to vote for.
Wake up and think for yourselves for a minute people.
tetti_tatti,
The corporate elites give us our choice of lesser evils at least in part to provide us with the illusion that we have power and our vote matters. Unless we have an economic collapse and a total transformation of society, they will never allow a progressive to get anywhere near the presidency (the hoi polloi is not supposed to take this choice thing too far). If the corporate media can manufacture quotes for Gore and questionable military service for Kerry, you think they cannot manufacture damning evidence for a progressive, who would seem a much greater threat to their plans? And, if by some miracle a progressive won, the corporate elites, particularly those involved in the military industrial complex, would order a "hit."
The choices are NOT what they are. It's the arrogance that Democrats are showing today "who are you going to vote for anyway" that got us in the mess we're in the first place, remember 2000? That's why Nader got so many votes. Dems are playing with fire again. They have become a great sham and I applaude what Cindy Sheehan is doing, which by the way is the only way out.
I actually believe there are significant differences between the parties. The Democrats have evolved into a purely pro-corporate party, and in many respects resemble the Republican Party of the pre-Reagan era (promoting what they believe to be sustainable corporate capitalism -- of course most of us on the left do not believe corporate capitalism is sustainable in the long-term). However, the Republican Party has clearly evolved into a criminal fascist party, serving the well-connected without any serious pretense of good government, concern with the general welfare or utilitarianism, or adherence to the constitution.
Some of the corporate elite, certainly including those running the corporate media, are comfortable with the criminal fascist party, but many are not and they would prefer a Democrat to win, especially Hillary, the most corporate of the Democrats. So the corporate media is probably setting Hillary up as the nominee because she would be the easiest to defeat by a criminal fascist, but many corporate elites truly support her because they are afraid of the chaos the criminal fascists could unleash and because they actually believe in long-term sustainable corporate capitalism with a constitutional system and a superficial democracy (not to let the people choose, but to pacify them with the illusion of choice), and they will fight to defend her.
As a believer in sustainable corporate capitalism, Hillary would try to avoid causing social chaos and would not end Social Security or Medicare as we know it. A criminal fascist would (calling it "freedom" and hoping the gullible rubes would swallow it), ignoring risk to transform the US into a totalitarian fascist state where the lives of the great majority would resemble those of slaves.
And the corporate media, together with other corporate elites, will make certain the Greens or others on the left never have a chance.
The choices are what they are.
The suggestion is that Democrats are so desperate to win they won't push too hard for fear of enabling the Republican attack machine to derail the manufactured Clinton inevitblity bandwagon.
I'm sick of the Clintons and the DLC bandwagon they rode in on. They monopolize the party for their own political ambitions and because of that the party has stagnated and become increasingly irrelevant and toothless. Because of them and their centrist triangulating compromising and capitulation, we are left without solid ground to stand on. The coutry loses for them to win.
Hillary is disciplined when it comes to her ambition--but she is a compromised politician with a load of baggage and not an especially good role model for women since she used her husband to achieve her goals. It really still is all about Bill and how he was wronged and how he still wants to be in the spotlight. Hillary goes where the wind blows and despite being treated shabbily by her husband, demonstrating a willingness to compromise on hard-won gains in achievments for women to pander for votes, and deferring to her husband which gets her into troble when the tides change and she is adrift in yesterday's polling, the mere fact of her gender is held up as a banner of progress. But for what? For a woman who sought to style herself as a good old boy to get her foot in the door? She is all about getting there, when it should be about a reason for getting there. Basically the Clintons are in the way and desperate to stop the flow of the river-and if it doesn't find a new course will eventually burst through the damn.
Little Brother September 30th, 2007 6:28 pm
I hope Bob Somerby [ http://www.dailyhowler.com/ ] takes his blood pressure medicine before he sees this.
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Just as I expected...
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RICH BEYOND COMPARE: We can now make the statement official: Frank Rich is simply insane. Or he's just so insanely jealous of Gore that he's willing to say any damn thing about Campaign 2000. In yesterday's New York Times column, the High Manhattan Pseudo-Liberal blathered on—and on; and on—about Vile Clinton (this time, Hillary). [...] (read it and weep!)
There will be an election in 2008, and it'll be as fake as all the preceding elections. Why would the corporate elite cancel the charade? It's been working beautifully for them for decades.
We'll have either Adolph Giuliani or Hitlery or Obomber in charge and nothing will change. The middle class will continue to be pushed into poverty and the poor will continue to be pushed into starvation.
And the retardation of those who think Democrats are any different from Republicans will continue to astound me.
Kem, I believe it's called "mental masturbation"...
"you need to vote for us because we are less evil than the Republicans" is their ploy and they know you won't vote for the repugs. What they need to know is that it isn't good enough and we don't need them. Otherwise they take us for granted and seek to "gain ground among conservative voters."
Jaded Prole October 1st, 2007 6:47 am
"Personally I see little difference between Giuliani and Clinton and wouldn't vote for either. Instead of clinging to delusions and fighting over creeps, why don't we run an independent ticket that actually represents a future worth fighting for?"
I certainly agree with you. I have been trying to warn the Democrats that they need to engage in meaningful actions, impeach Bush and cut off the funding for the Iraq war, but even in the face of an 11% Congressional approval rating all I get is the "you need to vote for us because we are less evil than the Republicans" ploy.
Lobo Gris
Why should the '08 selection be more straightforward than the last two? Has the system been repaired and made theft proof? Personally I see little difference between Giuliani and Clinton and wouldn't vote for either. Instead of clinging to delusions and fighting over creeps, why don't we run an independent ticket that actually represents a future worth fighting for?
Even if the selection is rigged and predetermined, we can change the conversation, expose the rot, and build the movement into the powerful opposition party we'll need no matter which thug is installed.
I wonder why so many intelligent bloggers here, bother to post on articles pertaining to the presidential candidates, when so many are also convinced, there won't be a 2008 election? Just wondered, not intending to be offensive.
As per Dems chances of winning in 2008:
Remember President Dewey 1948-1956?
Copyright protection on fascist propaganda? Pathetic.
Hillary confuses me...I cant tell if she is running for the Dem or GOP nomination.
I think she is Jeb Bush in a dress.
Looks like the Hillary-bashers are ready to jump when anything about her appears anywhere.
Meanwhile Rush LimbHawHaw is wringing his fat hands and drooling, lovin' it while he stuffs another McD burger down his gullet and watches Clinton get beat up. Oink oink. Squeeeeeeel. Get Hillary! Split or diffuse the Dem vote and and you pave the way for a Real Nazi like Julie Ahnie, and for sure you'll see Concentration Camps with bloodlusting S&M tweaker guards, along with Tripartite meets with Ahnie Schwazinlekker and Silvio Berlins Pony driving BMWs, Mercedes, and eating Merck pills by the handful. Neu Wereld Ordah wins from the opposition infighting!
kitty_tc it's hard to have any intellectual respect for anyone who thinks there's any type of difference between Republicans and Democrats, so 'futility' is doing what you do, which is making the same mistake every election.
Some of us have known it for at least 20 years but if after the complete dishonesty of Democrats after their victory in 2006 you still believe in them, the only word I can use to describe voters like you is, sorry, 'idiot.'
I love how the agenda-setters at the NYT and such are so confident in their marginal abilities to analyze politics. To me it seems like the buffoons on the editorial board at the NYT are banking on people having not actually watched the debate. If you even managed to watch one of the many debates that have transpired Kucinich and Gravel destroy Clinton on all accounts.
The elite would like everyone to think politics really is a science. LOL.
BTW, was anyone else disgusted by Tim Russert's softball thrown at Clinton the other night???? It was a staged soundbite if ever there was one.
geoff29 writes:
"attack hillary?! that self-assured, patronizing, condescending laugh, which Stewart ridiculed on the Daily Show as if it were a computerized function, could easily be turned into a liability like howard dean's wail."
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geoff it already has - if you google or youtube "hillary's laugh" there is twenty seconds clip from the podium of a dem debate, where she does - the laugh - that is actually quite chilling. unedited footage, she sounds like a devil.
but i think you are right on the spot when you say we have yet to get rid of the one we got right now first.
false flag event, martial law, suspended elections.
strike three, we're out!
fema camp anyone?
Any respect I may have had for Hillary was lost when she voted for the Kyl-Lieberman amendment which passed the Senate and could pave the way for Bush to launch a massive bombing attack on Iran. As we all know Bush is just crazy enough to do this without Senate backing. I can hear those planes flying toward Iran now.
Why will you care if there's no election, if you're going to make sure another Republican is going to win anyhow by your oh so principled stance of third party futility?
When we're in the fundamentalist concentration camps, I'll make sure I'm far back in the line for the death chambers so I can see you go first, and the look on your face as you realize what your arrogance and stubbornness has wrought.
Hillary wants to be the first woman war criminal, and I hope she gets the nomination, it'll guarantee another Repug in the White House.
At least we'll have a clear enemy as president, and not one pretending to be on our side.
McDee, Ha. Thanks. You saved me some typing.
walt, what makes you thing that McDee is a neo-con? Or what makes you bring up neo-conism in particular?
Redmatto, Kucinich and Gravel and Paul have all challenged the typical Republicrats.
Nader08, If the world hasn't noticed how "utterly morally bankrupt the Democratic Party really is" by now, they never will. I believe they have.
kelmer, How is "right wing self delusion far worse than the left wing equivalent"?
geoff29, "there being no election in 15 months anyway" I've been having that fear since dubya got appointed in the first place.
Hank Fur, Thanks for your intelligent comments.
clyde paige, ?????
Hillary Clinton sems to be an exception that proves the rule that women could better rule/govern because they are more compassionate andnurturing. She is extremely calculating and certainly hasn't a progressive bone left in her body...if she ever had one! The main stream media love her because she is bought and paid for by the corporations and has been for years. I do not believe she even understands what "THE COMMON GOOD" means. Those who believe that somehow if she is elected she will change and suddenly represent "we the people" are living in a dream world. Dennis Kucinich is the only candidate who embodies the true progressive ideas which so many say they believe in here at Common Dreams but you all write him off just like the pundits do.
KUCINICH IN 2008!
CELEBRITY: Obviously I'd vote for Kucinich IF he showed up on a ticket. This discussion is about the way the elites are pre-selecting Hilary for us, rolling out the band, pumping up the promo, and printing the money chest.
Perhaps HRC will be the Dem candidate.
If elected she'll prove, to those who have not yet noticied, that today's Democrats, with very few exceptions, embrace the corporate state, rather than 'the common good'.
If not elected I believe it will be because FDR style Democrats had enough of the DINO type with Hillary's hubby Bill.
America needs somebody who can wrestle with the hard realities that face us all.
"This is life on earth, friends. We're animals given to power struggles. No one promised us a life long picnic. The story might get rather ugly if those of us with scruples and know-how, give in to those with very few. Who are we going to allow to win the day? It's up to us not them. With dedicated intention, we can un-plug non-violently and create our own gravity."
Right on, Hank.
The fight is on many levels and it has to be won on many levels, not just politically. 99.999 percent of us will have no influence on the world other than how we live our lives. However, that is the most influential thing we can do. I would add that we not necessarily "un-plug," but rather plug into something meaningful and good.
Our children and grandchildren are watching us. Let's show them the way into a wholesome world.
"INFORMED voters are fed up with the choices….."
Siouxrose: I thought you were informed? http://www.dennis4president.com/home/
All the generalities on this site are a guaranteed trip to politics-as-usual. I've about given up on alleged Progressives on this site and others who ignore the gift in D.K. as a candidate. Politics should NOT be a team sport.
I thought the idea was to support someone who spoke for you instead of bashing those who don't and, left-handedly, giving them power.
This piece and the comments are pathetic. Sometimes I truly wonder of this is actually a progressive site to find and support a like-minded candidate, or a good place for a pissing contest.
I hope Bob Somerby [ http://www.dailyhowler.com/ ] takes his blood pressure medicine before he sees this.
Mmm. Krispy Kremes. You know, football didn't used to be incompatible with political awareness. Orwell was a crazy fan, I hear.
Where are all the Hillary supporters constantly said to be out there? I am not saying she does not have those who want her as president, but I do not trust the poll numbers being so high for Hillary, either.
I am not going to vote for Hillary Clinton and if America bombs Iran, the Democrats have lost me for good. If the Bush administration bombs Iran, I will hold the Democrats every bit as responsible for failing to be an adequate check on this administration after winning the Fall elections last year. Mrs. Clinton is every bit the pro-war hawk and "let's bomb Iran" as Lieberman, McCain, and Kyl. Yes, Hillary never "wanted to take bombing Iran off the table," and the Democrats' votes in both chambers last week regarding Iran, makes me ill.
Let all the war crazies who want to bomb Iran be first on the front lines over there then, as well. The war against Iran is needless and ridiculous and defiles history, logic, reason, morality, and sanity.
If you all think that these people misjudged Iraq and that "cakewalk," then you have not yet seen how dumb these people are regarding Iran. An attack on Iran will take that war to the east of Iran, and I do not think the United States knows what its about to encounter with such a stupid decision.
Hank Fur.."We're animals given to power struggles". Please don't insult the creatures....they act naturally through instinct. Humans have "reasoned" their way into this insanity and ultimate oblivion.
I think BOLWRITER makes a good rebuttal to the comments of CLYDE PAIGE. As we have elaborated ad nauseum in this forum, where is the MEANINGFUL distinction between both parties? Hilary is repub lite, and merely presents a slightly more digestible version of the SAME SHIT, that is to say, acts as front man/woman for corporate America which these days is mostly in the business of making drugs (big pharma), making $ out of nothing (hedge funds), making prisons, and making war. Those are some tributes to our nation's creativity and ingenuity.
INFORMED voters are fed up with the choices... and the Supreme court is already so conservative, adding one more would probably break the camel's back and send the nation reeling in the opposite (progressive) direction. And this is NOT about gender... I'd LOVE to see a woman in high office, but based on what this lady represents, she ain't the one. And it's not due to any deficit of intellect, quite the contrary, she is a sell-out, another Svengali Republican in not such effective sheep's clothing.
Instead of all this bleating, get off your butts and do something to shake her up and prod her into responding. Registered Democrats need to de-register:
http://www.thiscantbehappening.net/?q=node/36
DO IT NOW!!
bolwriter....are you nuts??? Refuse to vote for Hillary if she's the Dem candidate?? You'd rather have a Guilliani or Romney?? Even if Hillary isn't my first choice, I'd take her way before any of the Rethugs. They all scare me to death.
I believe the media controls our access to candidates, and whoever controls the media (big business) ends up being the front runner. I think the republicans want Hillary to run because they believe they can beat her. The media gives little attention to the other candidates, particularly Richardson, Dodd, and of course Gravel. I think these debates are for the most part worthless, and don't tell us much. It's all a big game, and in the end We the People lose. Al Gore got crucified by the media. Unfortunately, most Americans don't put much thought into this or do their homework. There are actually things I like about all the candidates, even Hillary. Any of them would be better than any of the republican candidates. I think John Edwards is the most trustworthy and sincere. I like his characater and I adore his wife, who would make an outstanding first lady. I love Obama's energy, charisma, and vision, and the young people really love him. I like Richardson's experience, his diplomatic experience, and stand on the war. I actually kind of like Hillary's "darker side" because I think that's what it will take to deal with the republicans. It's a real conundrum. Al Gore is still my dream candidate, but at this stage of the game, doesn't look like that will happen, which is most unfortunate. My dream ticket is Gore/Feingold, or any other combination of Gore and the current crop of candidates.
Should Clinton be the Dem nominee, it will be the perfect time for liberals to display our power by refusing to vote for a her. She's pro-war, pro-Patriot Act, pro-higher military spending and her healthcare program is another sop to insurance companies, hospital corporations and big Pharma. If we refuse to vote for her, it'll show the Dems that our votes can't be taken for granted, so next time they'll produce a candidate we can vote for and cast votes in Congress that don't embarrass them.
The GOPathologicals have accepted their imminent defeat in '08 and have decided HRC is the next best thing, which is why she's raking in the bucks from the Cheneybush enablers and bathing in the sickening love-fest wingnuts like David Brooks are hosting. It's also why the RightStreamMedia has proclaimed her Queen already - cause she's fully bought and paid for, and they know it.
So do we, but apparently millions of progressives still can't shake the "once she's elected, things will be different" fantasy...
Kelmer: You are the only one who is making sense in these comments all the rest are bash Hillary.What ever Hillary may or may not be she is a million times better than any rotten to the core republican. The republican party is made up of liars,perverts, adulters and anything dishonest.The republicans have destroyed our friendships around the world,they have walked on our constitution,evedropped on our phones,read our emails,gotten rid of habeas corpus,run the national debt higher than at any time in history,stared an illegal war,the rightwing Supreme Court appointed an idiot president in 2000,in 2004 they stold the election in Ohio and some of you still have the gall to knock Bill Clinton one of our best presidents and then run Hillary into the ground.You never had it so good as when Bill Clinton was president.Just like I said in another post some of you can't stand someone smarter than you especially a woman and Hillary is both.Hillary isn't my first choice but she doesn't deserve the slur's and name calling some of you are doing. Hillary isn't the one that you make look bad-look into the mirror.
we live in a sci-fi world that's the truth.
I exit my building in the morning and I'm confronted by a river filled with huge machines rushing past at tremendous speed.
what's amazing is that there is still any vestige of truth left, except here at common dreams.
it's such a struggle even for our own souls let alone hillary's.
Given scientific advances and the FACT that our "future presidents" are pre-selected, and then MARKETED through the MSM engine, I can imagine a time not too far off where those chosen will have brain implants that turn them into veritable robots, a new take on the Manchurian Candidate, and for all we know, IN the works at the time of this "sci-fi" posting. Hillary is proving herself a potential in this new initiative!
It doesn't matter who the Democratic candidate is or even if that person is elected. The policies currently in place are dictated by the permanent administration - the corporatocracy. The occupation of Iraq will continue, there will be no national health insurance, the rich will continue paying no taxes, etc., etc, ad nauseum and there won't be any serious objections. The sheeple are used to it by now. Just give them Krispy Kremes and the Superbowl and they're perfectly happy. Oh, I forgot Prozac.
Hillary lost her shame.
A shameless politician who prides herself to
know how to deal + please satanic men is not an alternative to patriarchal corruption.
She is one of them. Where is the change?
In the third party we hope will emerge soon.
Nader08 - You're right that Hillary will further push the Democratic Party into the toilet but you're far too optimistic in your assumption that her nomination will be the final lesson for the "faith based" Democratic voters. Faith, more than hope, springs eternal. People forget, they die, new memes replace the old, new voters know nothing, powerlessness becomes the norm, the media packages and sells the lies, consumers buy it.
The "Lessor of Two Evils" voting strategy has become the religious mantra of thoroughly marginalized voters. They can't imagine anything other than the next election (Tweedle-dum, Tweedle-dee) and so go on enabling the two-party status quo. Forever and together the Dems and Repubs do the bidding of "psychopathic" giant, corporations(the real party in control), whose only legal responsibility is to make even more money for their CEOs-and-friends, rendering the rest of us unable to defend ourselves against our own crushing. Are we there yet?
The screws are tightening, folks. We either change course and strategy now, or give up and give in, thus assuring, once and for all, absolute rule, absolutely.
And why shouldn't this be happening? This is life on earth, friends. We are animals given to power struggles. No one promised us a life long picnic. Ask the black community, they'll tell you what it's like to lose personal power.
The story might get rather ugly if those of us with scruples give in to those with none (legally, none). Who are we going to allow to win the day? It's up to us to amass our own gravity. We can't do that by endlessly hemming and hawing. We must come together, right now. We can't expect the power elite to help us save (or create) real democracy? Why would they do that? Hillary? Obama? not a chance.
With dedicated intention, we can un-plug - non-violently - and create our own gravity. Read Harper's magazine editorial, Oct. issue.
Nader08 - You're right that Hillary will further push the Democratic Party into the toilet but you're far too optimistic in your assumption that her nomination will be the final lesson for the "faith based" Democratic voters. Faith, more than hope, springs eternal. People forget the "old ways," they die, new memes replace the old, powerlessness becomes the norm, the media packages and sells the lies, consumers buy it.
The "Lessor of Two Evils" voting strategy has become the religious mantra of thoroughly marginalized voters. They can't imagine anything other than the next election (Tweedle-dum, Tweedle-dee) and so go on enabling the status quo. Forever and together the Dems and Repubs will do the bidding of "psychopathic" giant, corporate entities (the real party in control) whose only legal job is to make even more money for their CEOs-and-friends, rendering the rest of us unable to defend ourselves against it. Are we there yet?
The screws are tightening, folks. We either change course and strategy now, or give up and give in, allowing the gravity that the hegemonists have amassed to assure their absolute rule, absolutely.
And why shouldn't they? This is life on earth, friends. We're animals given to power struggles. No one promised us a life long picnic. The story might get rather ugly if those of us with scruples and know-how, give in to those with very few. Who are we going to allow to win the day? It's up to us not them. With dedicated intention, we can un-plug non-violently and create our own gravity. Read Harper's magazine, Oct. issue.
yeah like barely scrapping enough to get by we're all going to fly out to denver???? or go to some protest somewhere dressed up as a clown?
maybe load up an old truck, head out on the highway with the tires wearing through and an eclectic group trying to make themselves comfortable amongst the pots pans and bicycle equipment.
Bend over and take it like a man, with any amount of spin a pile of bullsh* t can be made to smell like a rose garden,What I notice more then anything is the days of the great orators are long gone ,now we have a team of trick cyclists writing speeches for idiots who without them look as stupid as they sound,Toss Bu$h or any one of them a question not on the censored list and what do they do, they ramble have no idea and Billary is just the same. snake oil salesmen with a doctored script to suck the punters is all smoke and mirrors
Tell the Democrats what you think in person. Come to Denver, August '08!
yeah and I should a read the article first but I too have an aversion of anything emanating from the pages of the times. Which a friend recently characterized to me that even in it's finest moments it's like only partly true, and the untruth is so bothersome that it detracts from what there is that might be verifiable.
I have started to get much of my information from the comments at Common Dreams?!
It's richly ironic coming from the New York Times, that Al Gore lost in 2000 because he ran too cautious a campaign.
The MSM still denies its culpability in running a two-year hatchet job against Gore, a man with a stellar record of public service, while ignoring Bush's obvious character flaws, ignorance, and history of moral and ethical lapses.
I wouldn't be surprised if the early annointing of Hillary Clinton is just another ploy by the MSM (that is, their corporate masters) to make sure that an unwinnable candidate is selected by the Democratic Party for the 2008 election.
attack hillary?! that self-assured, patronizing, condescending laugh, which Stewart ridiculed on the Daily Show as if it were a computerized function, could easily be turned into a liability like howard dean's wail.
to me she's just another phony. she's bought into the complete and utter dishonesty trip. there's so many of these people who use rhetorically coercive underlying scorn to make an audience lose its grip on its own sense of self-worth, of value. It's basically like being subtly but horribly raped which seems to be an undercurrent in the dark side of her family life.
how about her latest approval of censuring Iran in the senate. She's all like the military reports are telling us that Iran is our enemy just like she did in the run up to Iraq and how easy it is for these people to twist the truth to their own means, and make themselves look like so innocent after the fact all the while pressing forward the same old agenda. Imperialism, domination of the world's land, people, and resources.
we got ourselves an appointed beer/pretzel guy for president now, we got a 50 50 chance of there being no election in 15 months anyway when he fully reveals to the world that he really and truly is just a war mongering smug self-serving profiteering thug, which we of course know. So, for the time being worrying about presidential candidates seems like a moot issue until the one we have now is extracted.
"Obsessed by Bush, the liberals cannot see Clinton for the light-weight scoundrel he was and have reinvented his terms in the White House as a golden age, whose possible sequel under the aegis of President Hillary Clinton they eagerly await." Alexander Cockburn
Why have Hillary Bush for President when we can have George Clinton as Prime Minister of the Funkadelic Parliment!!
And when they come to march on ya
Tell 'em to make sure they got their James Brown pass
And don't be surprised if Ali is in the White House
Reverend Ike, Secretary of the Treasure
Richard Pryor, Minister of Education
Stevie Wonder, Secretary of FINE arts
And Miss Aretha Franklin, the First Lady
Are you out there, CC?
A chocolate city is no dream
The media silence about what red state voters would think of a woman president-especially Hilary is what is most troubling. It seems like a set up before the media intends to attack her. And heaven forbid there be a major terrorist attack in the weeks before the election. Her support will evaporate.
And yes, right wing self delusion is far worse than the left wing equivalent, or more accurately, center left self delusion.
Chicanery, you forget that to the MSM (of which Rich is a full fledged member in good standing, despite his occasional criticisms), Kucinich and Gravel aren't really Hillary's "opponents". They're just nuisances, crazy clowns babbling, that can (and should) be ignored entirely. The MSM has declared that Hillary has 1.5 actual opponents: Obama and (sometimes) Edwards. Nobody else is not worthy of comment.
But whatever, I'm all for Hillary. A Hillary nomination will expose to the world how utterly morally bankrupt the Democratic Party really is, how they are as thoroughly imbued with their corporate masters as the GOP. It will annoy and disgust a fair amount of the "netroots" and progressives who know, deep down, that the Democrats are nothing more than one faction of the leviathan Corporate Party which completely controls American politics. This, I hope dearly, will be enough to inspire the building (or resurrecting from 2000, if you will) of the beginnings of a true "Second Party", likely lead by Ralph Nader. A Hillary presidency will only drive more intelligent yet passionate progressives into this new party.
So, by all means, go Hillary!
How true that Hillary Clinton is a BORE! She is also a conservative who loves corporate power and has no populist or progressive leanings at all.
The media are the ones who are not allowing a challenge to her. As stated, Kucinich and Gravel have challenged her but they've done what they could to make sure that goes unnoticed.
As has been the Democrats sad history since 1968, Clinton is the supposedly-safe, spine-less annointed one. Once again, they've got it WRONG; she is a disaster. Time and again, she has proven to be pro-war, pro-corporate control, and a Republican in democratic (yes, lowercase "d") clothing.
This article is right on---Like the Al Gore of 2000 (from which he has grown into a man), to my own amazement, Hilary Clinton BORES me to tears. I know what she's going to say (not much) before she does. She's like the DNC's ultimate fantasy puppet, promising progress and selling more prostitution of liberal-progressive values to the business (and war) community, like Ol' Bill did with his foreigner-fucking NAFTA schmear....She and Pelosi talk down to everybody as if they are easily-upset, simple-minded children who just need a real grownup to help them understand why "the engine runs on glue and tar..."
You know what McDee? Vidal's comment is just as true if we elect Rudy - plus we'll get to show those damned Democrats! Hoo Boy!
By the way Neo-Con self delusion as proven to be even more wondrous than liberal self delusion!
"As was proved again in Wednesday night's debate, her opponents have not yet figured out how to seriously challenge her."
When I read sentences like this, I always have to wonder if the commentator watched the same debate as I did. She gives a horrible performance in every debate, refusing to answer even the simplest questions, and Gravel and Kucinich have challenged her time and again. Even some of the other mainstream candidates will occasionally get a dig in. I suppose her performance is good if one's ability to debate is measured by one's ability to evade every question...
There is no delusion like liberal self-delusion.
The liberals are believing what they want to believe, not what the evidence shows.
Hillary will be a disaster as a candidate and as a president, if she manages to make it.
There is nothing in her resume which suggests she will be any more populist than her husband.
Bill Clinton's presidency does look like a "golden age" but only when compared to the absolute bottom of the barrel that we have now.
I think it was Gore Vidal who said that one thing American Presidents have in common is to make us nostalgic for their predecessors.
Elect Hillary and prove him right again.
Hillary is a warmongering slut to big oil.
MUCH worse than the Old Al Gore.