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The Bollinger/Ahmadinejad Farce: An Introduction Fit For A President
Imagine the scene: As angry protesters march outside, a nation's unpopular president prepares to address students and faculty at a prestigious university. Introducing the president, the head of the university is bluntly critical of his guest speaker: "You, quite simply, [are] ridiculous. You are either brazenly provocative or astonishingly uneducated. . . . I doubt you will have the intellectual courage to answer [our] questions . . . I do expect you to exhibit the fanatical mind-set that characterizes so much of what you say and do. . . . Your preposterous and belligerent statements . . . led to your party's defeat in the [last] elections."
Unfazed, the president rises to begin his speech. His sometimes bizarre remarks generate hoots of derision. But he plows on civilly, though he ducks and weaves when faced with critical questions from the audience.
When the clock runs out, many are dissatisfied with his answers. But everyone applauds the courageous head of the university, who wasn't afraid to speak truth to power, and everyone praises the student protesters, who exemplified the democratic values of dissent and free expression.
Wouldn't it be wonderful if something like that could happen in our country?
No, no, I mean really happen in our country. Tuesday's farce in New York at Columbia University, starring Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad as the Unpopular Presidential Guest and Columbia President Lee C. Bollinger as The Man Who Spoke Truth to Power, doesn't count because it was just that: a farce.
Ahmadinejad was playing to global public opinion, and though he lost some PR points for incoherence and general bizarreness of message ("In Iran, we don't have homosexuals"), he gained some for coming off as a bit more mature than his prissy, infantile host. ("In Iran, when you invite a guest, you respect them," Ahmadinejad observed dryly.)
Bollinger, meanwhile, was playing to a different audience. After taking a beating for giving Ahmadinejad a forum, he was eager to show the media, alumni, concerned Jewish organizations and a raft of bellicose neoconservative pundits that he was no terrorist-loving appeaser of Holocaust deniers.
In a narrow sense, both Ahmadinejad and Bollinger achieved their goals. Ahmadinejad showed that he could be dignified in the face of crass American bullies, which will play well abroad -- and may even buttress his dwindling prestige in Iran. And Bollinger showed that he can be a crass American bully, which, in our current political climate, is what passes for "courage."
Bollinger's tactics went down well with the New York media, anyway: The New York Sun rhapsodized about a "Teaching Moment," while the New York Times expressed the pious hope that "what Americans and Iranians will remember is that image of professors and students, in a true democratic forum." And Bollinger seemed quite pleased with his own performance. The Bollinger-Ahmadinejad Show was "free speech at its best," Bollinger modestly explained to reporters.
Sorry, no. "Free speech at its best" is when someone really does speak truth to power, and power stops blathering long enough to engage with inconvenient ideas. If an Iranian professor, inside Iran, had said what Bollinger said to Ahmadinejad, that would have been brave.
Or -- stay with me here -- if Bollinger had invited President Bush to Columbia and made those same unvarnished remarks to him, and Bush had toughed it out and struggled to answer half a dozen unfiltered, critical questions from an audience not made up of his handpicked supporters . . . . Well, that too would have been free speech at its best.
Unfortunately, that's not the kind of thing you're likely to see in America.
It's odd, because Bush -- like Ahmadinejad -- makes plenty of statements that, to paraphrase the eloquent Mr. Bollinger, could be characterized as ridiculous, provocative, uneducated and fanatical. (Take Bush's repeated suggestion of a link between Saddam Hussein and the 9/11 attacks, for instance.) And as in the case of Ahmadinejad, some of Bush's preposterous and belligerent statements contributed to the GOP's defeat in the last elections.
But so what? Here in the land of free speech, elites -- including those at universities -- too often collude to keep our own president in his safe little bubble. (Those who forget to pretend that the emperor is fully dressed, such as Stephen Colbert at the 2006 White House Correspondents Assn. dinner or Jimmy Carter at Coretta Scott King's funeral, are instantly chastised for being "inappropriate.")
This week, a global audience saw Iran's "petty and cruel dictator," as Bollinger called him, courteously parrying questions from hostile students -- something viewers won't see our democratically elected president doing.
So fine, let's congratulate ourselves for showing Iran just how many freedoms we have in America. But when we get done congratulating ourselves on our fancy freedoms, let's figure out why we can't be bothered to put them to use.
© 2007 The Los Angeles Times



68 Comments so far
Show AllThe spineless Bollinger worked the impossible- He made the President of Iran look good, and worthy of sympathy.
Usually I like what CommonDreams posts. But this is an example of mainstream media bias. Consider Brooks's statement near the end of the article:
"This week, a global audience saw Iran's "petty and cruel dictator," as Bollinger called him, courteously parrying questions from hostile students — something viewers won't see our democratically elected president doing."
She also quoted conservatives as calling Bollinger's statement a "teaching moment."
But President Ahmadinejad was ELECTED. You may not like what he says, but the Iranian people voted for him in an election that was at least as democratic as the farce our own elections have become.
The mainstream media is demonizing Ahmadinejad and Iran to soften us up for the barbarism that our own government is planning -- a totally illegal and immoral attack on a country that doesn't threaten us.
Ahmadinejad has a big mouth, but it's George Bush who's responsible for the deaths of literally hundreds of thousands of innocent people.
They don't have homosexuals in Iran because they hang them. The hanging of two Iranian teenage boys who were reportedly caught in a homosexual act was broadcast over the Internet a year or two ago. The last words of one of them: "I didn't know homosexuality was a crime," and the last words of the other: "I knew it was a crime but I didn't know the punishment was death."
Still, Ahmadinejad has far less blood on his hands than Bush and Bollinger exposed himself as a world-class jerk. Bollinger should have used the introduction as a call for Bush to back-off from his next scheduled war crime.
Meanwhile, can you even imagine a university president excoriating Bush in the same manner without being violently dragged off the podium by the secret service? Or, as a minimum, being immediately fired and blacklisted for the rest of his life?
I can't.
Bollinger should spend some time reflecting on American Fascism and the slaughter they are responsible for in Iraq before calling out Iran's president. Iran has as much right as Israel to have nuclear weapons and all the warmongering by Hllary Clinton and other imperialist democrats is just a hint of what is to come should she ever be elected.
david f,
All good points!
And I find very little he has ever said, when properly translated, that I don't agree with.
As I wrote before, like it or not, "we have no homosexuals here" is a common viewpoint heard outside of the west, the only exceptions being Japan and Thailand and maybe the more socially-liberal parts of India.
Absolutely right, Ms. Brooks. To the worldwide audience which witnessed this absolute lack of civility, many thoughts came to mind: it confirmed that places of 'learning' in the US are not dignified nor do those who claim to lead provide an example to young minds; Bollinger may call himself 'president' of Columbia University but he demonstrated the behaviour of someone who's crawled out of the sewer; it proved that there is no healthy debate (although the people like to refer to their country as 'democratic'); it proved that places of learning pander to politicians and others who control the thought process in the US; Bollinger showed the world that the US is composed of mannerless and uncivilised people through his behaviour towards an invited GUEST - and a President at that, and it confirmed to a worldwide audience why the leader of the US is so arrogant, unpolished and uncivilised - it appears to be a trait.
President Ahmadinajad came out of this with far more respect worldwide, and certainly with plenty of dignity. With the world already looking down on the US, this incident only helped to make things far worse.
Appalling and disgusting.
Ms. Brooks need another pair of inverted commas, around the phrase "our 'democratically elected' president." In two elections where the african-american voters were deliberately suppressed & disfranchised, the Smirk was appointed in 2000 and stole 2004 outright, thanks to the moral turpitude of his 'opponent'.
The only people who shriek about Ahmadinejad are the ones who continue to peddle the lie that he "wants to wipe Israel off the map" & those who believe that somehow people would view Hitler & the Nazis favorably if they killed "only" two million Jews by random massacres, torture, starvation, forced labor, experiments, and disease rather than six million by random massacres, torture, starvation, forced labor, experiments PLUS gas chambers.
I sent a letter to Lee Bollinger. I also sent a letter to the editor of a conservative newspaper with a large metropolitan readership. The newspaper published it. Here is the text of what I wrote:
Dr. Lee Bollinger's introduction of Iranian President Dr. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was disgraceful and unprofessional. In fact, it was so bad that faculty and students at Columbia University are calling for Bollinger's resignation. Bollinger's ad hominem attack on Ahmadinejad was completely out of line and embarrassed many of us in academia.
When a university hosts a forum, the moderator gives the guest speaker an introduction outlining the speaker's credentials and qualifications. It is called academic professionalism, and Bollinger needs a refresher course in it. The introduction need not be sophisticated or laudatory. In fact, it can be brief. Bollinger should have waited until the question and answer session to deliver his acerbic criticism of Ahmadinejad.
At the very least, Bollinger should apologize to the faculty and students at Columbia University and issue a public apology to the forum's listeners and viewers. We expect more professionalism and class from an academic, especially the president of an Ivy League university.
Nice letter, claudius. I'm pleased to see that there are some American academics concerned about how the Bollinger-Ahmadinejad Show reflects upon the academy. Good work!
I too wrote to President Bollinger, he made a spectable of himself and is a discredit to Columbia. An apolgy is owed to President Ahmadinejad, the university and the public. No wonder the world thinks Americans are rude and arrogant...our leaders keep proving them right!
Bollinger needs to be introduced to Miss Manners.
The right-wingers, including both GOP and Democrats, believe that being rude and being a bully is a sign of courage. How can supposedly educated people act in such a manner? Education is supposed to help make people better. People like George Bush and Bollinger give American universities a bad name.
I'm not buying that they "didn't know homosexuality was a crime". Nearly all of Iran's executions are public and receive worldwide attention. It is strikingly obvious that homosexuality is a crime in Iran. It is also obvious that the penalty for that crime is death. The condemned men were simply lying. Everyone is prison is innocent, just ask them.
Iran is not a free society and their laws are different than ours. Attempting to apply the condemned gay men's rights to our Constitution is ludicrous.
The article is ridiculous... Everyone is entitled to their opinion. If the author doesn't like Bollinger's opinion, should she be called a bully for discrediting him?
Ahmadinejad came to present his speech probably thinking he would be able to control the crowds like he does in his own country with an iron fist and his dress-code police. He realized people don't like him and have abslolutely no respect for him. He got the truth he so likes to claim he owns...
I say this is a healthy cold shower and I hope he will think twice next time such an event is considered.
As for the author, I find her political correctedness terribly annoying!
Actually, although I don't support Ahmadinejad, or any religious nut, I saw a video of Iranian students (in Iran) yelling at him, and they were NOT tasered, or even dragged out by goons. So Aladdin is wrong.
And being polite in an introduction of a guest is not being politically correct. It is civilized behavior.
"I find her political correctedness terribly annoying"
Wow ! So political correctness is annoying huh ? So why would you have a problem with Ahmadinejad casting doubts on the holocaust ? He probably finds political correctness tedious too. At least he didnt slaughter 6 million jews. The Germans did it (ok the nazis). You are clearly uninformed. Ahmadinejad does not wield all the power that you attribute to him. The Ayatollahs do. If you pull your head out of the Medias various orifices you would probably inform yourself better.
Do you seriously believe this bollinger-Ahmadinejad 'showdown' had anything to do with free speech. Bollinger was willing to bend over and lube himself for his neo-con masters, just like you and your fellow zionists.
davidf September 28th, 2007 12:56 pm "Ahmadinejad has a big mouth, but it's George Bush who's responsible for the deaths of literally hundreds of thousands of innocent people."
And that is the CRUX of this issue sorely, deliberately and conveniently missed by Bollinger, the Media and the protesters...
Exactly, which country has illegally invaded, destroyed and occupied a sovereign country and killed more than 1 Million of it's citizens. Oh I forgot the same country run by a rogue administration that says "We don't do body-counts". So it's unlawful agents can disingenuously pretend they don't know...
It's a pity..... Bollinger being a Professor an' all, he didn't apply GAME THEORY. A method of decision-making or framing a debate in which a competitive situation is analyzed to determine the optimal course of action for an interested party...Being the seekers of TRUTH the American electorate which the Administration is lawfully and constitutionally dutibound to serve...
Then again I personally believe this hole sorry debacle was a set up to LYNCH Ahmadinejad on behalf of the ZIONIST CABAL and the Corporatist Fascist Militarist Kleptocratic Administration replete with all the usual suspects, cronies and sycophants... ....
Tried to watch Bollinger on the News Hour, but got so embarassed I couldn't finish. Amahdinejhad is a mostly impotent and weirdly surreal figure, but does somehow represent the ambiguities of the Iranian nation. He successfully communicated the wishes of the real powers there, while foolishly (as in "fools rush in...") seeking a non-official forum.
Bollinger appeared like a rabid dog or a puritanical old maid, while pres. A. used the purity of Muslim belief to deny nature. I'm still drying the tears (of laughter) from my face.
In any civilized society when a person is invited as a guest, the host(s) respects the guest. Only a devious and crooked person behaves like the way Bollinger behaved. He only proved to the whole world that the one possessing academic degrees need not be a civilized person.
The second thing is: Ahmadinejad is an elected president of a sovereign country. He is the representative of Iranians. By trying to humiliate him, Bollinger, the community of the Columbia University and the Americans in general, have tried to humiliate the people he represents. The behaviour of Bollinger manifests arrogance, imperialistic attitude (such attitude expects everyone to be subordinate), and above all uncivilized conduct. On the contrary, Ahmadinejad's response to such a hostile and arrogant "(G)HOST" showed that he is a civilized person and he represents a civilized people.
The third thing is: Ahmadinejad was invited by an academic institution, which is supposed to be a center for the pursuit of knowledge. That means those who belong to this academic institution are seekers of knowledge. The worthy task of intelligent seeker of knowledge is not to reject and denounce the statements of others outrightly without listening to them. On the contrary, one should allow the other to speak and then have a dialogue with that person. At the end, if there are differences in perception of a reality, the intelligent seeker of knowledge should be willing to AGREE TO DISAGREE AGREEABLY. Where this freedom is not present, those institutions become like incarcerated places where "the inmates" are being pounded with a particular ideology. In such places there is no room for a "different" perspective or meaning, there is no room for a dialogue, there is no room for plurality of opinions, no room for those who have a "different" perspective. The worthy behaviour of any intelligent seeker of knowledge is to be willing to listen to and try to understand someone who holds a different opinion, and most importantly respect that person, even though both may disagree in their perspectives and opinions.
The savants of Columbia University (and the US in general) are free to interpret Ahmadinejad, his words and deeds with the purpose of demonizing him and excoriating Iran, but there are better and alternate paths for those who with HUMILITY strive for understanding and peace between nations, should institutions like universities, including Columbia, contribute.
1. Bligh said: The spineless Bollinger worked the impossible- He made the President of Iran look good, and worthy of sympathy.
Your comment shows that you have the same mindset as the Bullying-Jerk, the president of Columbia University. You must be one of his students.
The president of Iran showed civility, courtesy, and the strength of character, which Bullying-Jerk lacked—he is the one who needs your sympathy.
Bollinger is a huckster, Ahmadinajad is selling himself to his supporters as well. Bush is selling America a lot of red meat, some of it in body bags, most of it, hamburger packaged as "insurgents," but really made up of children, doctors, teachers, mechanics, engineers, taxi drivers, artists, students, musicians, public servants and officials, wives, husbands, daughters, sons...
Bagdhad is a big, international city, a great capital.
You know, before the debate was held, Bollinger and Ahmadinajad should have put together a slide show showing all the dying, howling, bleeding, or dead, maimed, burned children, daughters, husbands, wives, teachers, artists, mechanics that were slaughtered in Iraq. Then they should have showed photos of the city before the slaughter.
Then, they should have shown photos of Iran, of people, of children, not so different from children anywhere else.
And they should have mentioned the Bush and Cheney and his henchman desperately want to bomb these people.
Then they should have talked about war. About the bombs that Bush wants to drop, including the new bomb that is as powerful as a nuclear bomb, but is conventional.
This huckster Bollinger should try putting together a museum show of photos and films of the dying, the dead, the mutilated children, women, husbands, wives, teachers, doctors, public servants, younger and older brothers and sisters, parents, fathers, mothers...that these pigs are marking out for slaughter.
Let's forget about bogeymen. They're not endangering America. What's endangering America, the guilty, is indifference to this horrendous inhumanity, and ugliness.
Mr Bollinger mentioned Columbia's tradition of freedom of speech a couple of times in his intro...can't wait to see this tradition extended to Walt and Mearsheimer...(he said, mischievously)
Appeasing Bush & Cheney:
Apparently, Americans are willing to appease Bush and Cheney, to let them go ahead and bomb another country, if it pleases them.
Americans have watched their government bomb innocent civilians in other countries as a staple of their foreign policy for quite some time now. It's ghoulish and weird.
It's time Americans showed some outrage and did something about these murder campaigns that they blithely sign on to each time a president renews a term.
Bollinger missed his chance to speak out against the killing.
Bollinger missed his chance to speak out against the people who are calling for the killing. Aren't these people properly called: "killers."
Write a letter to Bollinger ~ he needs to hear what you have to say.
Mr. Lee Bollinger
President
Columbia University
535 W. 116th Street
202 Low Library
Mail Code 4309
New York, NY 10027
Some of the comments above mystify me. What the hell did you just say, Saila?
Anyway, I too was appalled by Mr. Bollinger's tirade. Not that I or almost anyone in America thinks that Mr. Ahmadinejad is a good person, or that Iraq is not a concern for America and the world. Obviously, Mr. Bollinger was feeling political pressure to placate those who were critical of Columbia's decision to invite Ahmedinejad by attacking him. And he did, as Bligh said, make "the President of Iran look good", or at least for some us, made us feel embarrassed that Columbia would invite him as a guest and then ambush him in that manner. I don't think Mr. Ahmadinejad is worthy of sympathy, but then neither is Mr. Bollinger. I fully supported Columbia in its decision to invite Mr. Ahmadinejad to speak as a matter of free speech and open dialogue. If we do not talk to our enemies, we will always have them. It would have been fine to ask Mr. Ahmadinejad tough questions, but it should have been done in a civil manner.
But the point I want to make is that almost all of the media bent over backwards to make the same impression as Mr. Bollinger. Katie Curic almost had a cow trying to portray the whole incident as a dispicable tyrant getting his come-uppance from the brave Mr. Bollinger. No one in the mainstream media in the immediate aftermath of the whole sordid affair was willing to stand up and criticise Mr. Bollinger for behaving like an ass. Now some of us, the good people on this blog, for instance, are saying what the whole country should have said from the get-go. Americans are better than that. Or are they?
It is interesting that the only comment I heard that day that seemed rational came from the Smirker-in-Chief, Mr. Bush. Mr. Bush, smirking all the while, was able to say essentially that Columbia had every right to invite Ahmadinejad, it is a free country, and that this freedom is in direct contrast with the repression in Iraq. Of course, Mr. Bush could do this because lots of other people, including Mr. Bollinger, were taking his place as the chief jerks-in-residence for the day. I am sure Bush couldn't be happier with the outpouring of hate against Iraq that was so much in evidence.
All of this is playing right into the hands of the administration, who is setting us up for a war against Iran. We all know this is happening, and yet there seems to be nothing we can do to stop it. Both of my senators, the hapless Allard and the mystifying Salazar, voted for the resolution against Iran that seems to give Mr. Bush the approval for an attack on Iran. There is no way to stop a war once it has begun. We really are just along for the ride. This administration does not care what the people think. It is absolutely true that they are going to act in accordance with thier agenda regardless of any opposition, and we are going to have to sort it out for the next 100 years. Get ready.
How does a guy like Lee Bollinger become president of Columbia? By kissing ass, I suspect.
Let's take a Columbia literary humanities class. Bollinger's tragic flaw and his undoing was when he used an opportunity to introduce a guest into his own house to editorialize.
the instant he did so he divided his house, the students, faculty, and alumni of the university into separate camps. In so doing he lost at least half his support, and that translates into cold hard cash for the university my friends which is what he is there to generate, cash.
Bollinger needs to take a few courses in Columbia's core curriculum in order to acquire wisdom of which apparently he has none.
I had mentioned this the other day which the eminent prof.chomsky spoke recently which is (paraphrased)
"(even in our) universities for example, where the intellectual culture is formed and developed, there's a principle which says it's appropriate in fact even noble to lie in support of state crimes. it's (considered) criminal to tell the truth that would reveal the nature of state crimes."
and so one could say the same of the current government that has co-opted the country. It has effectively divided the house, while stating that it would do otherwise, and that will not stand either.
Zoya,
Thank you. It was too difficult to let this one pass.
I FORWARDED THE FOLLOWING LETTER TO BOLLINGER IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING HIS "INTRODUCTION" Billy B
Sir:
Your comments today were rude and totally lacking in common courtesy. And those insulting words will be broadcast around the world and especially in the middle east where they will reinforce the negative view that people have of this country. Standing there in your $900 suit with that ridiculous haircut, trying your best to come across as an English Don, you Instead came across simply as an embarrassment to the university and to this country. You sir are the epitome of the "Ugly American"
William Brown
Some excellent commentary above by devidf, countess, Natalia, claudius, lilulu (insightful on the right-wing and fascist conception of courage), gandhi, and others.
Aladdin got a reply from gyptian that was right on the money.
By the by, Bollinger's email address is as follows:
bollinger@columbia.edu
Last night, I emailed this letter to Bollinger:
Mr. Bollinger,
I am copying a letter below addressed to you by Iranian professors. They wrote it in response to the introductory speech you gave on the day of President Ahmadinejad's visit at Columbia University, and I would suspect that you must have received it by now.
I wish to say that, as a Ph.D. and as a former university professor of many years, I was deeply ashamed by your speech. I found it brutally ideological, ill-bred, ill-informed, and so self-servingly dismissive of the long history of abuse to which the United States has subjected Iran.
It is my hope nonetheless that you will have the elementary courtesy and courage to supply a considerate response to the Iranian professors' very pertinent questions.
Yours very truly....
Given the obvious possibility that the Bush administration will attack Iran, it's a shame that Mr. Bollinger succumbed to external pressures of AIPAC and others. By attacking and demonizing Ahmadinejad, he missed the basics of conflict resolution: listening to your opponent, and using "I" statements.
He could have said, "We're afraid that we're going to be dragged into another war, this time with Iran. Are you our enemy? How can we be sure that you are not developing a nuclear weapon and that you are not supporting the killing of our troops in Iraq?" Or something like that...
Ron, it may help to get your facts straight. See below
New America Media, Commentary, William O. Beeman, Posted: Sep 26, 2007 wrote:
"To be sure, sodomy is punishable by death in Iran, but such executions have been historically extremely rare compared with the routine incidence of same-sex sexual behavior in Iran. Much was made in the United States of two boys who were executed in the city of Mashhad a few years ago for "being homosexual," as the Western press put it. However, they were executed because they had essentially committed what we would call statutory rape on an under-aged boy. The boy's father was beside himself with rage and grief, and pressed charges. In many such cases, the shame of the family and the victim himself is so great that no one ever finds out. "
As far as me being a student of Bollingers, I wouldn't pay 2c for a Columbia education now days. Bollinger should have given the President of Iran full rein to make his case, including his ludicrous statements. (If there are no homosexuals in Iran then who is it that you are executing for homosexual behavior?)
Is it not clear that bollinger was reading from the white house manual on demonizing Iran so we can bomb them? i do believe it, and i think it's a lot worse than acting stupid or impolite.
Hey all,
If you want to read a hilarious parody on the forum go to CounterPunch and click on "An Academic Hotshot Introduces a Petty Tyrant" Hell, Columbia. It is great!
Bollinger is not just 'a professor and a university head' as he put it in his remarks, but is also a board member of a major and reactionary corporate newspaper, The Washington Post. The Iranian president certainly knew this, and he knew that Bollinger is a Jewish Zionist, too. He still went to Columbia University and more than held his ground. In fact, his talk was a subtle and nuanced denunciation of US imperialism.
Common Dreams would do its leadership far better by linking to Columbia University where the video of Ahmadinejad's appearance can be watched and seen in its entirety for oneself. Also, they should put online the reportage of Ahmadinejad's visits with non Zionist Jews in New York City, who did receive him quite courteously unlike what the buffoon president of Columbia University did.
I agree that Bollinger's introduction was horrible; the press coverage in the NY Post and Daily News was insulting and degrading, and the public reacted to it all like a pack of baboons. Courtesy, even toward your worst enemies, means a lot in Muslim cultures. We as a nation really blew it and showed our worst side, the bigoted, xenophobic side. I had no problem with Ahmedinejad speaking at Columbia, and he should have gotten at least a courteous introduction. I'm sure George Bush would get that much if he went to Tehran, whether he deserved it or not. Also, I think he should have been allowed to go to the 9-11 site; if you want a teachable moment for a dictator like him, that would be it.
Wouldn`t it be a refreshing sight to see our own president get up in front of a large crowd after being ridiculed and cut down, not knowing what the questions and reactions to his speech would be? It must take a lot of courage to speak, knowing everyone has been checked out for support and applause will be started when wanted, plus an army of badges with guns and billieclubs to make it all go smoothly. Bolinger was a disgrace to a college and our nation.
To be perfectly frank, I didn't care what either one of them said, ___ before or after the show.
I do care what our president says and plans to do, and what our congress is and is not doing. Nothing else in the political scene has a great deal of importance.
Bush has the power to destroy this nation and the fool is hell bent on doing just that. Conress has the power to stop him cold and they are hell bent on not doing just that, they are more foolish than Bush. They could have his nuts in a vice and are afraid to touch him.
As for the over-educated idiot Bollinger, he displayed to the world, what type of sick society we have largely become. I thougth the smirking Ahmadinejad, was possibly amused by the knowledge, that our country was on the brink of a depression and will soon be a forth world nation begging for help from our "friends". ___ Sorry friend, nobody likes a loser. For the present and the forseeable future, we are losers.
There was an excellent open letter that appeared on counterpunch.org to the president of columbia university that addressed not only how rudely Mr. Bollinger acted but how ignorant he was of the current world situation and United States past history with Iran, ie. how they're democratically elected government was overthrown by the C.I.A. and the puppet regime headed up by the shah was allowed to rule for the next 2 and a half decades, terrorizing the people with death squads funded and aided by the U.S until the Iranian people revolted and kicked him out. It can be read at http://www.counterpunch.org/ross09252007.html
Its time for a revolution. one day its going to happen. kick the corrupt, dishonest and murderous leaders of this country out of office and replace them with people who care not only about our country but the entire world.
When I interview the prospective job candidates, I casually ask what papers and magazines they read. If they read the New York Post or Daily News, they are done. "Will be in touch"... :)
I only interview good looking chicks and if they can read and write, I tell them I only hire good lookig women.
Ok. I'm a green party member, and yet I will not accept someone calling our corrupt electoral process as equivalent to the Iranian one, where you have to be vetted by an unelected religious elite before you can even run. They are different, for very different reasons. Iran needs to get the clerics out of the process and we need to get the $$$$$$$ out of the process.
I don't care if you prefer religious wackos to robber barons, just don't tell me they're equivalent.
Miroware, I don't think you understand the viewpoints of NY daily papers. The Post is owned by Murdoch, but the News is pro-headline, not right wing. Essentially, all the NY papers are pro-idiot, but Newsday is out there giving a different story.
Bah, Columbia discredited themselves when they didn't accept me as an undergrad. Anything else they do that's stupid is simply gravy :)
An interesting article on all the deliberate mistranslation of the Iranian President here:
In ends up his full statement was actually: "We do not have homosexuals in Iran of the kind you have in your country."
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article18471.htm
I also sent a brief letter to Bollinger... I was just simply disgusted:
Mr. Bollinger,
I am extremely saddened by the introduction you gave for President Ahmadinejad on his visit at Columbia University.
As a former student in a place of higher learning, I was deeply ashamed by your speech.
It is my hope that you will, at the very least, apologize for your rude behavior and give Columbia University back some of the dignity it lost during your speech. I expect meaningful debate and discussion from your institution, not name-calling and ideological rants.
mr.duncan
"I'm a green party member, and yet I will not accept someone calling our corrupt electoral process as equivalent to the Iranian one, where you have to be vetted by an unelected religious elite before you can even run."
Well you better start accepting it because we are not too far from the Iranian model. Our very own *unelected religious elite* the southern baptists, christians, right-wing religious fanatics that most of the 'middle american' states comprise of pretty much decide who gets elected. As a green party member you should at least be aware of the power of the religious right in our country. the stranglehold the 'moral majority' holds on our politicians whether republicans or democrats is legendary. Where have you been all these years ?!!
Just a few stray comments here: Capt. Clevariant says that the administration doesn't care what we think, and it's going to take 100 years to sort it all out. The 1000-plus signing statements show that the executive doesn't care what the people's representatives write as law. Mr. Cheney, when asked what will happen if the new Democratic congress tries to put some controls on the executive branch, said, "It won't stop us." The current executive also refers to congress as if it is some rogue band of foreigners who have no right to be one of the three branches of our government, rather than what they are: a legislative body made up of individuals whom we-the-people elect to represent our voices. The Founding Fathers intended the US government to be BY AND FOR THE PEOPLE, making Congress the most important of the three branches, and intending the Congress to be the most powerful, because it's the only branch that REPRESENTS the people!
Let's hope 100 years is long enough to sort it out. Let's hope we HAVE 100 years! But my guess is that within as little as 10 years, most of our jobs will be overseas, and ownership of most of our roads, schools, infrastructure, bridges, police departments, fire departments, prisons, and who-knows-what-else will be overseas or corporate and privatized. Our own economy won't even belong to us anymore.
As for the illegality of homosexuality in Iran, let's stop talking about what's wrong with other nations and take a good look in the mirror. I direct the reader's attention to the good ole US of A! Sodomy is still illegal and punishable in something like 28 states, or is it down to only 14 or 15 now - I forget; but even if it were only one remaining state, it would be a demerit on our nation's record as "civilized". Also, I might add, this subject, too, is complicated. It's a fact that not every homosexual commits sodomy when she or he has sex - there's lots of sex that has nothing to do with anal penetration, but a gay guy can still be beaten to death by a "fellow" citizen, even if he has never penetrated an anus, or been penetrated; beaten just for the way he walks or talks. Even some heterosexual men have been beaten because their speech is too erudite (reminding me of the purging by the Khmer Rouge of people who wore eyeglasses, because they might be intellectuals! ;but now I'm even further from the subject). Meanwhile, sodomy laws in the United States make many heterosexual husbands and wives punishable lawbreakers too! The anti-sex league has existed a long time and it lives not just in Iran.
Keep in mind that if you produce air pollution, you can control it voluntarily in the US. If you sell contaminated food, or toys that choke children, you can try to stop it voluntarily. The law won't bother you too much. In contrast, if you dare to use your penis or vagina in a creative manner, there will be a law to deal with you, and you will not be asked to "voluntarily" abstain...