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Iraq Will Have to Wait
The long-awaited "progress report" of Gen. David Petraeus and Ambassador Ryan Crocker on the status of the occupation of Iraq has been made, providing Americans, via the compliant media, with the spectacle of loyal Bush yes men offering faith-based analysis in lieu of fact-based assessment. In the days and weeks that have since passed, two things have become clear: Neither Congress nor the American people (including the antiwar movement) have a plan or the gumption to confront President Bush in anything more than cosmetic fashion over the war in Iraq, and while those charged with oversight mill about looking to score cheap political points and/or save face, the administration continues its march toward conflict with Iran unimpeded.
Bush responded to the Petraeus report by indicating that he would be inclined to start reducing the level of U.S. forces in Iraq sometime soon (maybe December, maybe the spring of 2008). But the bottom line is that the troop levels in Iraq keep expanding, as does the infrastructure of perpetual occupation. The Democrats in Congress are focused on winning the White House in 2008, not stopping a failed war, and as such they not only refuse to decisively confront the president on Iraq, they are trying to out-posture him over who would be the tougher opponent of an expansionist Iran.
Here's the danger: While the antiwar movement focuses its limited resources on trying to leverage real congressional opposition to the war in Iraq, which simply will not happen before the 2008 election, the Bush administration and its Democratic opponents will outflank the antiwar movement on the issue of Iran, pushing forward an aggressive agenda in the face of light or nonexistent opposition.
Of the two problems (the reality of Iraq, the potential of Iran), Iran is by far the more important. The war in Iraq isn't going to expand tenfold overnight. By simply doing nothing, the Democrats can rest assured that Bush's bad policy will simply keep failing. War with Iran, on the other hand, can still be prevented. We are talking about the potential for conflict at this time, not the reality of war. But time is not on the side of peace.
Three story lines unfolded earlier this month which underscore just how easily manipulated the American people, via the media, are when it comes to the issues of Iran and weapons of mass destruction. In the first, Rear Adm. Mark Fox, a spokesperson for the U.S. military in Iraq, let it be known that U.S. forces had captured a "known operative" of the "Ramazan Corps," the ostensible branch of the Quds Force of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard command responsible for all Iranian operations inside Iraq. This "operative," one Mahmudi Farhadi, was, according to Fox, the "linchpin" behind the smuggling of "sophisticated weapons" into Iraq by the Quds Force.
We've heard this story before. In January of this year a similar raid by U.S. forces in Irbil netted six Iranians, five of whom are still in U.S. custody. Senior American officials let it be known that these Iranians were likewise members of the Quds Force, and included that organization's operations director. All were tied to the (unspecified) transfer of arms and munitions into Iraq from Iran. The Iranian government claimed, and the Iraqi government confirmed, that the detained Iranians were all attached to a trade mission in Irbil, where they oversaw legitimate commerce between Iran and Iraq along the Kurdish frontier.
The United States continues to hold the Iranians prisoner, undoubtedly subjecting them to "special treatment" in order to elicit some sort of confession, if our handling of other Iranian diplomats previously captured in Iraq is any guide. Their release any time soon is unlikely, given the impact a de facto admission that the Bush administration got it wrong would have on the overall case against Iran it is trying to build. The fate of Farhadi is likewise up in the air. None other than Kurdish President Jalal Talabani, a staunch pro-American, condemned the detention of Farhadi by U.S. military forces, noting that the Iranian was a well-known businessman who was in Iraq as part of an official trade delegation. The Iranians have threatened to close down cross-border trade in Talabani's sector of Iraqi Kurdistan, shutting down a key income stream for the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan, the Iraqi Kurdish faction Talabani heads. Such is the reality of modern Iraq.
But this reality is nowhere to be found in the White House. The president himself has led the charge, as recently as this past August, when in a speech to the American Legion's national convention in Reno, Nev., Bush threw down the gauntlet against Iran, declaring, "I have authorized our military commanders in Iraq to confront Tehran's murderous activities ... the Iranian regime must halt these actions." His remarks were built on assertions he first set forth in February 2007 when he highlighted his assessment of Iranian involvement inside Iraq. At that time the president declared, "I can say with certainty that the Quds Force, a part of the Iranian government, has provided these sophisticated IEDs [improvised explosive devices] that have harmed our troops." Bush avoided direct implication of the Iranian regime, stating, " ... I do not know whether or not the Quds Force was ordered from the top echelons of the government. But my point is, what's worse-them ordering it and it happening, or them not ordering it and it happening?" I might suggest that the American president putting the weight of the United States behind unsubstantiated speculation in order to build a case for war might, in fact, be worse, but since he got away with it regarding Iraqi WMD, why stop now?
In March 2007 the U.S. military paraded yet another general-cum-spokesperson before the assembled media, where it was announced that the United States had captured Qais Khazali, the head of the mysteriously named "Khazali network," together with one Ali Musa Daqduq, an alleged Lebanese Hizbollah mastermind who helped plan and facilitate the actions of the Khazali network, including, it seems, an attack on U.S. forces in Karbala in January 2007 which left five American soldiers dead. This attack, in which insurgents dressed in U.S. military uniforms, drove vehicles similar to those used by the U.S. military and sported U.S. identification documents and weapons, has been linked to Iran by many in the U.S., citing nothing more than the level of sophistication involved as proof.
The golden nugget in this story was Ali Musa Daqduq. According to the U.S. military, he was a 24-year member of the Lebanese Hizbollah Party possessing extensive contacts with the Iranian Quds Force. The U.S. military referred to Daqduq as a proxy or surrogate of the Quds Force in Iraq. An alleged "special forces commander" and bodyguard to none other than Hassan Nasrallah, the head of Hizbollah in Lebanon, Daqduq was alleged to have been ordered to Iraq in 2005 for the purpose of coordinating training and operations on behalf of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard command. Daqduq supposedly helped the Iranians by training, together with the Quds Force and the Lebanese Hizbollah operatives, teams of 20 to 60 Iraqi insurgents at secret bases just outside Tehran.
With this plethora of specificity, however, comes only one item sourced directly from Ali Musa Daqduq himself-that the Iraqi insurgents responsible for the January attack on American forces in Karbala could not have conducted such a complex operation without the support and direction of the Iranian Quds Force. Daqduq wasn't quoted as saying the Iranian Quds Force was in fact involved, but simply that, in his opinion, such an operation could not have been conducted without the knowledge of the Quds Force. This, of course, brings us back full circle to the immediate period after the attack in Karbala, when U.S. military sources speculated that such an attack had to have been planned by Iran given its complexity. Nothing else is directly attributed to Daqduq, leaving open the question of sourcing and authenticity of the information being cited by the U.S. military.
From speculation to speculation, the case against the Quds Force by the Bush administration continues to lack anything in the way of substance. And yet the mythological Daqduq has become a launching platform for even graver speculation, fed by the media themselves, that the highest levels of leadership in Iran were aware of the activities of Daqduq and the Quds Force, and are thus somehow complicit in the violence. Not one shred of evidence was produced to sustain such serious accusations, and yet national media outlets such as The New York Times and The Washington Post both ran stories repeating these accusations. Politicians are formulating policy based upon such baseless accusations, and the American public continues to be manipulated into a predisposition for war with Iran largely because of such speculation. No one seems to pay attention to the fact that the U.S. military itself has subsequently contradicted its own briefings, noting in July 2007 that no persons had been captured by the United States that can provide a direct link between insurgents in Iraq and Iran. Again, in August of 2007, the U.S. military stated that it had yet to catch anyone smuggling weapons into Iraq from Iran.
And what of Daqduq himself? It seems that his Iraqi sponsor, Qais Khazali, had fallen out of favor with Muqtada al-Sadr over the strategic direction being taken, and sometime in 2006 split away from Sadr's Mehdi Army, taking some 3,000 fighters with him. In the lawless wild-West environment which dominates Iraq in the post-Saddam era, the formation of splinter militias of this sort is an everyday occurrence. Radical adventurers have historically been drawn to places of conflict, which would explain the presence of Daqduq. And it would not surprise me to find that Qais Khazali had secured funding from extremist elements inside Iran which operate outside the mandate of government, including some from within the Iranian Revolutionary Guard itself. But the notion of Iran and Hizbollah aligning themselves directly with a splinter element like the "Khazali network" is highly unlikely, to say the least.
But fiction often mirrors reality, and in the case of Iran's Quds Force, the model drawn upon by the U.S. military seems to be none other than America's own support of anti-Iranian forces, namely the Mujahedin el-Khalk (MEK) operating out of U.S.-controlled bases inside Iraq, and Jundallah, a Baluchi separatist group operating out of Pakistan that the CIA openly acknowledges supporting. Unlike the lack of evidence brought to bear by the U.S. to sustain its claims of Iranian involvement inside Iraq, the Iranian government has captured scores of MEK and Jundallah operatives, along with supporting documents, which substantiate that which the U.S. openly admits: The United States is waging a proxy war against Iran, inside Iran. This mirror imaging of its own terror campaign against Iran to manufacture the perception of a similar effort being waged by Iran inside Iraq against the U.S. has been very effective at negating any Iranian effort to draw attention to the escalation of war-like activities inside its borders. After all, who would believe the Iranians? They are only trying to divert attention away from their own actions inside Iraq, or so the story goes.
The second story line demonstrates, apparently, that Iranian perfidy knows no bounds. Just this month, the Iranian government tried to organize a visit to Ground Zero in Manhattan by its president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who wanted to present a wreath of condolence over the tragedy that occurred there on Sept. 11, 2001. The Iranian president's proposed actions were consistent with the overall approach the Islamic Republic of Iran has taken concerning the 9/11 attack on America. Iran was one of the first Muslim nations to openly condemn the attack, expressing its condolences to those who lost their lives and calling for a worldwide mobilization against terrorism. But why let facts get in the way of fiction. Israel's ambassador to the United Nations, Dan Gillerman, set the standard for intellectual discourse on the matter when he told the Conference of Presidents of Major Jewish Organization that a visit by President Ahmadinejad to Ground Zero would be "similar to a visit by a resurrected Hitler to Auschwitz." Sen. John McCain continued in this vein, stating that allowing Ahmadinejad to visit the site "would be an affront not only to America but to the families of our loved ones who perished there in an unprecedented act of terror." Both remarks clearly attempted to link the Iranian president, and by extension Iran, to events that they had nothing whatsoever to do with, and which they openly condemned.
9/11 linkage strategies have worked in the past, regardless of factual merit. One only need recall Saddam Hussein and Iraq to understand how easily the American public, courtesy of war-minded politicians and their co-conspirators in the mainstream media, can be so easily led down the path of holding one party accountable for the actions of another. Saddam had nothing to do with the events of 9/11, and we now occupy Iraq. Similarly, Iran had nothing to do with 9/11, and yet due in part to the distortion of fact taking place concerning allegations of Iranian "terror" activity inside Iraq, the link is clear, at least in the minds of many Americans. President Bush calls Iran a "state sponsor of terror." The military claims Iran is carrying out terror attacks against U.S. forces in Iraq. The Iranian president wanted to visit Ground Zero and was widely condemned by those who plot regime change in Iran. The Americans, bombarded with these false connections, then conclude Iran was part of the 9/11 plot. The logic is so simple, so flawed and yet so dangerously accessible to the minds of an American people fundamentally ignorant of the true situation in Iran and the Middle East today.
Which leads us to the third, and final, story line of the month: Don't believe the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), Iran does have a nuclear weapons program! For weeks now, the cornerstone for the justification of American military intervention in Iran has been crumbling away, the layers and layers of fear-based fiction crafted by the Bush administration meticulously peeled away by Dr. Mohamed ElBaradei and his team of inspectors from the IAEA. After treading water for years in a sea of political intrigue, ElBaradei and his experts have finally assembled enough data to enable them to close the books on the Iranian nuclear program, noting that all substantive questions have been answered and that contrary to the speculative assessments put forward by the Bush administration it appears that Iran's nuclear program is, in fact, dedicated to permitted energy-related activities.
Not so fast. In recent days, Israeli military aircraft, in coordination with special operations forces on the ground, launched a preemptive raid on a suspected "nuclear" target in northeast Syria. According to Israeli and U.S. intelligence sources, this site was jointly developed by Syria and North Korea for the purposes of transferring North Korea's proscribed nuclear weapons program to Syrian control. Worse, we are told by none other than former U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations John Bolton that this Syrian-North Korean project was being done at the behest of none other than Iran. The Syrian site, an established agriculture research center, was linked to a shipment from North Korea invoiced as cement. Israel apparently believed different. Israel has been monitoring any activity taking place inside Syria which could be linked to nuclear activity. Syria had, in the past, conducted exploratory investigation into whether phosphate deposits in Syria were viable for the manufacture of uranium for use in a nuclear energy program. Whether this activity, which has been suspended since the 1980s, was being resurrected, and whether the target bombed by Israel had anything to do with such a resurrection, is unknown at this time. What is obvious to anyone with any understanding of nuclear activities is that Syria was not pursuing a nuclear weapons program and North Korea was not supplying Syria with the components of such a program, either for Syrian use or as a proxy for Iran.
But this sort of fact-based reasoning is irrelevant, especially in the secretive circles of power that make the life-or-death decisions regarding war. The Syrian raid by Israel seems to represent a sort of "proof of capability" drill, instilling a sense of confidence in an Israeli military badly shaken from its debacle in Lebanon during the summer of 2006. The planning for the Syrian raid was a closely held secret, limited to a small cabal of right-leaning politicians in Israel and, surprisingly, the United States. The American end of the deal centered on the office of the vice president, Dick Cheney, who gave final approval to attack the Syrian target only after being rebuffed in his effort to get the Israelis to bomb the Natanz nuclear facility in Iran. Cheney, it seems, is desperate for any action that might trigger an expanded conflict with Iran. Even though the Syrian adventure did not succeed in producing such a trigger, it did wipe off the front pages of American newspapers uncomfortable story lines from the IAEA, contending as they did that Iran had no nuclear weapons program. Now, thanks to the Israeli action against Syria, which had no nuclear weapons program, the American public is in the process of being fooled into speculating that one does in fact exist not only in Syria but in Iran.
Continued war in Iraq is a tragedy. Having the conflict spread to Iran would be a disaster. No one can claim to possess a crystal ball showing the future. There are many who, when confronted with the potential for conflict with Iran, choose to brush these warnings aside, noting that such a conflict would be madness, and that the United States currently lacks the resources to fight a war with Iran. Such wishful thinking borders on irresponsible foolishness. If the headlines from this month tell us anything, it is that war with Iran is very much a possibility. The Bush administration has been actively planning war with Iran since the fall of 2004. Since that time, several windows of opportunity have presented themselves (most recently in spring 2007), but the Bush administration found itself unable to pull the trigger for one reason or another (the Navy's rejection of the presence of a third carrier battle group in the Persian Gulf scuttled the spring 2007 plans).
The administration always heeded the justifications for aborting an attack, primarily because there was time still left on the clock, so to speak. But time is running out. Israel has drawn a red line across the calendar, indicating that if Iran has not pulled back from its nuclear ambitions by the end of 2007, military action in early spring 2008 will be inevitable. The attack on Syria by Israel sent a clear message that attacks are feasible. The continued emphasis by the Bush administration on Iran as a terror state, combined with the fact that the administration seems inclined to blame its continuing problems in Iraq on Iran, and not failed policy, means that there is no shortage of fuel to stoke the fire of public opinion regarding war with Iran. Add in the "reality" of weapons of mass destruction, and war becomes inevitable, regardless of the veracity of the "reality" being presented.
The antiwar movement in America must make a strategic decision, and soon: Contain the war in Iraq, and stop a war from breaking out in Iran. The war in Iraq can be contained simply by letting war be war. There is no genuine good news coming out of Iraq. There won't be as long as the United States is there. As callous as it sounds, let the war establish the news cycle, and let the reality of war serve to contain it. The surge has failed. Congress may not act decisively to bring the troops home, but it is highly unlikely that Congress will idly approve any massive expansion of an unpopular war that continues to fail so publicly.
Iran, however, is a different matter. Congress has already provided legal authority for the president to wage war in Iran through its existing war powers authority (one resolution passed in 2001, the other in 2002). Likewise, Congress has allowed the Bush administration to forward deploy the infrastructure of war deep into the Middle East and neighboring regions, all in the name of the "global war on terror." The startup costs for a military strike against Iran would therefore be greatly diminished. Sustaining such a conflict is a different matter, but given current congressional reticence to stand up to a war-time president, it is highly unlikely any meaningful action would be taken to stop an Iranian war once the bombs start falling. And we should never forget that Iran has a vote in how this would end; once it is attacked, Iran will respond in ways that are unpredictable, and as such set in motion a string of cause-effect military actions with the United States and others that spins any future conflict out of control.
The highest priority for the antiwar movement in America today must be the prevention of a war with Iran. The strategic objectives should include getting Congress to repeal the war-powers authorities currently on the books, thereby forcing the president to seek new congressional approval for any new war. Likewise, a concerted effort must be undertaken to counter the disinformation being spread by the Bush administration and others about the nature of the Iranian threat. Every action undertaken by the antiwar movement must be connected to one or both of these strategic objectives. This is not the time for one-off sophomoric newspaper advertisements, but rather for sustained action focused on generating congressional hearings and public debate across the entire spectrum of American society. From the colleges and universities to the churches and on to the public square of small-town America, public information talks, presentations and panels must be held. Communities should flood local media outlets with requests for coverage and appeal to regional media to run stories. Mainstream media will follow. Demonstrations, if useful at all, must be focused events linked to an overall campaign designed to facilitate a strategic objective.
We all should remember the fall of 2002. Many felt that there was no chance for a war with Iraq, especially once U.N. inspectors made their return. In March 2003, everyone who thought so was proved wrong. The fall of 2007 is no different. There is a sense of complacency when one speaks of the potential for a war with Iran. But time is not on the side of those who oppose conflict. If nothing is done to change the political situation inside America regarding Iran, there is an all too real possibility for a war to break out in the spring of 2008.
Sadly, there really is no alternative for the antiwar movement: Put opposition to the war in Iraq on the back burner and make preventing a war with Iran the No. 1 priority, at least until the national election cycle kicks in during the summer of 2008. If a war with Iran hasn't happened by then, it probably won't. And the national debate on Iraq won't be engaged until that time, anyway. A war with Iran would make the current conflict in Iraq pale by comparison, and would detrimentally impact the whole of America, not just certain demographics. As such, it is critical that we all put aside our ideological and political differences and focus on the one issue which, if left unheeded, will have devastating consequences for the immediate future of us all: Prevent a future war with Iran.
Scott Ritter was a Marine Corps intelligence officer from 1984 to 1991 and a United Nations weapons inspector in Iraq from 1991 to 1998. He is the author of numerous books, including "Iraq Confidential" (Nation Books, 2005) , "Target Iran" (Nation Books, 2006) and his latest, "Waging Peace: The Art of War for the Antiwar Movement" (Nation Books, April 2007).
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Show All'sophomoric newspaper advertisements'. has the author actually bothered to read the MoveOn ad?
Look what happened to Rep. Cynthia McKinney when she asked probing questions. The Bush/Republican smear machine will roll over anyone in Congress who dares try and stop their crimes against our constitution and democracy. I give credit to demonstrators who are at least out there trying. Doesn't mean that anyone in power is listening though, does it? Please, please, please...let's hear the voices for sanity!
Scott Ritter is a true american hero. He is battling all the way against the fascists who have taken control of the United States. The moronic public whipped up in a war frenzy by the political whores and the media will once again fall in line but this time people of goodwill everywhere else on the planet will be hoping that the United States will be brought to its knees and so weakened they will retreat into their hole for at least a decade or so.
In my opinion the author is right: preventing another aggressive war against Iran is more important than stopping the four-year-old aggressive war against Iraq. Both of the primary Democratic "leaders" in Congress (Reid and Pelosi) have made clear that they will not exercise the undoubted constitutional powers they have (impeachment and/or control of appropriations) to stop the war in Iraq; and all of the "leading" Democratic presidential candidates have just announced that if any of them is elected President in 2008, none of them will end the Iraq war within his/her term of office. Of course the prospect of gaining the support of Democratic congressional "leaders" to oppose the impending war against Iran is almost as discouraging: witness the 87-0 Senate vote on the first Lieberman resolution against Iran, and the more recent Senate vote on the second Lieberman resolution against Iran (in which only 22 Democratic Senators did not join the Senator from the "Connecticutt Friends of Lieberman Party" in his ground-laying for bombing Iran). Nevertheless, it is important to note that the most recent Senate vote regarding Iran drew the opposition of a few Republicans as well as a significant number of Democrats; so it may be that the congressional pendulum is swinging away from starting another "war of choice" in the Middle East. In any event -- while doing what we can to stop the Iraq war as quickly as possible -- we need to increase our efforts to prevent an impending attack on Iran which both the Bush Administration and a majority of Congress plainly are preparing to launch. Thanks once again, Mr. Ritter, for eloquently speaking truth to power.
If anybody is worth listening to regarding our National Suicide in the middle east, it's Scott Ritter. And so, my fellow travelers, book your place at the bottom of the toilet; George Wanker Bush is about to pull the chain that will get us spinning clockwise, then sucked down the drain. We are acting no differently than any other arrogant, imbecilic empire in the history of the world and these actions will most definitely contribute to our downfall. However, I suspect that most Americans, with their Grand Passion for guns, would prefer blowing their brains out rather than being flushed down the crapper.
So much truth and good information in here for the mainstream media to digest. Why is it so hard for them to do that?
So now we have the Senate designating the Iran Revolutionary Guard as a terrorist force. Is not Blackwater USA one also but on a larger scale?
Controlling the oil of Asian nations (yes, Iraq and Iran are both in Asia) is the Bush regime game plan. Protesting this plan piecemeal has been and will continue to be futile.
Impeachment is the only solution.
Scott:
I respect and admire you greatly, you are a patriot and a hero, your strategy won't work.
"The strategic objectives should include getting Congress to repeal the war-powers authorities currently on the books."
Impeachment is off the table, the congress trips over themselves to vote against freedom of speech, AIPAC keeps sending anti-Iran ammendments up for votes, a majority of American voters want the war to end and are being ignored. And you think this group of liars and theives is going to repeal the war powers act?
"Likewise, a concerted effort must be undertaken to counter the disinformation being spread by the Bush administration and others about the nature of the Iranian threat."
New York Times, Washington Post, CNN,Right wing radio, vs. Common Dreams,the Nation, KPFA. Really? Good Luck!
Calling Moveon.org sophmoric, is like calling Ladies in Pink obnoxious, and not the way to build a unified anti-war movemnent, or gather support for your message.
I understand your frustration, I share it, but going down the same road that has always led to the same dead end, is not going to work this time either.
It's almost too late in any case. The "Surge" was meant to get more troops into Iraq to face Iran. The Sunnis are being armed to go against the Shiite militias for when the time comes.
There is still a chance the war can be averted. Time is running out. But the answer will not come from the couch potato anti-war movement, treasonous political leaders, or our prostitute media.
Stay pissed off, keep writing, but don't expect solutions where they don't exist.
Ramsay
I expect they will get their war. They could bring down a plane, either over Israel or it could be elsewhere if it were an El Al airliner, with a number of American passengers. This bombing/missile attack will be blamed on Hezbollah, which they will say is working under the direction of Iran. The grief and outrage will give cover to both nations attacking Iran, with the reasonable expectation that the vast majority of the sheeple will rally around their flag and support the fight against a nation that will likely have done nothing to them.
karlof 1,
I guess I didn't really answer your question. Yes, I believe that any official voted in with Diebold or other computer voting system s OR any official who does not uphold the constitution is illegitimate, and should no longer be recognized by us as an official of our country. The proper venue to affirm that is to "petition the government for a redress of grievances"
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."
and I interpret that to mean in the context of a national strike with our cars run out of gas on every important road in the land because "the right of the people to peacefully assemble shall not be infringed." We can't help it if gas is too expensive and we all just happened to run out at the same time. Of course it follows, that without gas, we can't go to work, or shop, or file tax returns or do anything, not even answer the phone. That is the day we will default on everything including our house mortgages, shut off the main breaker to the house, sit in the dark with a candle, and take turns reading the declaration of independence, the constitution and sing songs with our families, drinking warm beer.
The petition would be submitted to Congress with the country shut down for a few weeks.
This would work.
pac
As always Scott Ritter is right on the money, the clarity of discussion this American Hero brings to the table is nothing short of out-standing....
In relation to the accusations against Iran, following similar accusations against Iraq, to justify war:
History repeats itself, first as tragedy, second as farce.
Karl Marx (1852)
Patnval: Nice to see someone hit the nail on the head. As I have posted many times, a hard rain IS gonna fall, and no-one is doing much more than complaining they have no house to run to.
People you have my sympathies, you really do. But the vast majority of the populaton did NOTHING when the Bush family stole the first election, and sat entranced by 'reality TV' when they stole the second.
For all the historic 'Don't Tread on Me' flags, an patriotic puffery and pride of past laurels, even the stuanchest America-firsters sat by and did nothing, instead of taking to the streets in vocal, vigourous protest to oppose the Supreme court deciding, DECIDING to appoint a scion of a corporate thug to the highest seat of power. Even after it came out that there was MASSIVE vote fraud, your population shrugged thei collective shoulders and went back to buying crap from Wal-mart.
Don't get me started on the events after the 9/11 smokescreen...
Thanks Mr. Ritter for your insight and countless contributions to the anti-war movement!
Don't miss the high spirited talks from the last couple of days at the UN General Assembly in NY this week, where the monstrous empire of greed and violence, is enthusiastically denounced!
Nicaragua - Daniel Ortega
Iran - Ahmadinejad -
Cuba -
Bolivia - Evo Morales
Equador-
http://www.un.org/webcast/ga/62/
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Statements and Webcast
http://www.un.org/webcast/ga/62/
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Charlie Rose with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad
56 min - Sep 25, 2007 - (2 ratings)
A conversation with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, President of the Islamic
Republic of Iran.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7351989860835767572
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Ahmadinejad speaks at Columbia University
1 hr 21 min - Sep 24, 2007 -
Taped directly from CUTV. Unedited and complete.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1166743591032759849
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The truth sets us free, from siding with the barbaric genocidal monster known as the USA.
This is NOT about oil. It IS about maintaining the illusion that the US dollar has value or will continue to have vlaue IMHO. I think despite the so-called surpluses during the Clinton years and the vague re-assurance that it was possibleto pay off the US's debt - the fact was and is - that with it's ever expanding bases and attendant financial obligations as well as many other associated cost's- subsidizing instruments of hegemony like the IMF, World Bank, UN, a continual stream of billions of dollars to corrupt puppets oppressing their people (like Columbia, Pananma, Phillipines, Saudi Arabia, Burma) as well as sponsoring a host of 'velvet revolutions' like Ukraine, Georgia, Lebanon etc - as well as the incessant pork and earmarks that are done domestically - a number of practical people got together and realized that the illusion of wealth was dissiapating and that brute force and militarism must be applied to prevent a child of freedom from blurtung ot "the Emperor has no clothes".
These people dub them what you will - Neocons, bankers, Illuminati, concerned leaders such as Clinton, Bush, Trent Lott, Lieberman etc realized that the lynch pin of dollar hegemony is oil and regardless of the given 'reason' the very existence of the US (not unlike the Soviet Union) depended on two very important things.
1. A show of a very strong and ruthless military to give pause to any nation who may actually want to cash in those treasuries in any sizable and amount and re-invest it anywhere.
2. A desperate and concerted approach to gain a complete monopoly of oil - so as to sustain the need for central banks and nations to keep dollar reserves.
The situation has become even MORE dire - however - both industry and government are emboldened. It is NOT an accident - that unlike the first Gulf war where oil plummetted - this one is causing the price of oil to surely hit $100 a barrel - so as to remove all this excess US dollar reserves and thereby depreciate US debt and most improtantly increase the need of dollar reserves.
Those few who planned this outcome are truly happy and will be rewarded as they have truly saved the US from a calamity of finance that DID occurto the Soviet Union. If the control of the world's oil CAN also include IRAN - there is NO doubt that the US can till atleast another 100 years continue to build up debt into the tens of trillions and not worry about any creditor uttering a single word.
One does not and should not care for world opinion when one is looking into the abyss of a possible and tangible deconstruction of the economy on an unprecedented level. This manuever and subsequent ones - have nothing at all to do with oil per se - and much more to do with maintaining dolar hegemony - for with out dollar hegemony the US would collapse.
It is amply documeted that Iraq (Saddam) moved to the Euro for oil sales in 200 - preparing the way for the invasion of his country. If Iraq/IRAN/Venezuela/Russia?Indonesia and others actually moved to the Euro/Yen/Yuan/ standard in oil - the impact would be like the mass of the empire state building falling into your bathtub. Overnite more than 50 percent of all dollar reserves in the world (which blessedly- never see the shores of the US) would be rendered useless. The bank/countries would then seek to send these billions upon billions BACK to the US - and the next thing you know - it would cost a million bux for a small starbux coffee.
Thankfully - the price of a few million dead to extend the US life as an empire will be extended and it may by then be able to peg the US dollar to Uranium - therefore again extending its life. We can see this as a FACT since - not only can the US pentagon lose a trillion or so dollars (yawn) but central banks on a whim can inject 400 billion dollars into the bankig system overnite AND cut interest rates AND have the stock market back up to 14000!! What a country - what a world !!
It has learned a great deal from England - and how England could no longer afford to house trops and cantonments globally - jst as Rome had the same problem draining the exechequer.
However - thanks to dollar hegemony the US need never have to qworry about this problem. Since it is the reserve currency of the world and can print an ifiite amount of dollars at will - which atleast 3/4ths of which will never see the shores of the US - the US can flood the world with currency while still maintaining low inflation at home. In addition- it need not have any fidcal discipline since it has attained something no empire in the world ever did - which is to print money at will as long as the key resources of the world are taded in it.
It's about oil and perpetuating the illusion that it's necessary to blow hundreds of billions on what they call "defense".
They always cloak their dark deeds with fair words. The department of defense, should be called the department of bullying warmonongering bastards or some such!
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"The time for war has past."
The World Teacher
iyamwutiam:
nice analysis and i agree
100%..no other reason to have
a military!!
ken
I think the only way out is through "god"
or "light" or "universal consciousness"
because it's starting to seem like I'm in a movie I AM THE CHEESE
or perhaps something like that
machine gun tearin' my body and soul apart
Evil man make me KILL YOU
Evil man Make you Kill Me
Even though were only famlies apart
drop some acid
it's all done for
perhaps
of course that's hard to say when the cattle prod is stuck up your ass
you are the univerese
you are creating this reality
breath
accept and die
because
we are already dead
and in the weeping of the gods
i see the sky
The beat of the drums of war is getting even more insistent. The NY Times has jumped on the administration bandwagon. Today's editorial titled "the 'Crazies' and Iran" ends with
....
Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice complained last week that the I.A.E.A. shouldn't be in the business of diplomacy. Yes, that's her job. And she's not done nearly enough to try to get the Iranians to sit down at the table with a credible offer of comprehensive talks. Sanctions alone are unlikely to restrain Iran's nuclear program, especially at the rate the Security Council is moving.
We can see why Mr. ElBaradei was tempted. The only way he can recoup now is by insisting that Iran do what the Security Council has ordered: Suspend enrichment and answer all the questions about its nuclear past."
You were right about Iraq and the baseless reason for invading that country. Now you are telling us again. Who listens? The tide keeps rolling on. Take the NYT article with its "likely" and "source unnamed" today. What is that?!
Same scenario, different country.
I bet Iraqis pray every night that Saddam were back in power along with Chemical Ali. And Saddams two sons. Those were the days my friend we thought they'd never end Those were the days, Oh yes those were the days! Mahadeva what you been smokin!!
the endgame of iraq was iran all along. these are not disconnected issues, by any means. if iraq had been going better, we'd have been iran a long time ago. ritter has a lot of things right, but his contention the we need to be tied to the democratic party (shared more or less by CD) is ridiculous. how many appropriations votes do the dems get? how many times does liebermann get to set the agenda? OOOOHH. we only need 9 or 10 more dems before they;ll do something! gimme a break.
Yesterday the senate voted 76-22 on a resolution which said (i'm parphrasing for brevity) " We pledge to continue to believe all the hoopla, no matter how preposterous, fed to us by our lying president. We will never question or even doubt his lies. Just as we chose to believe his lies to get us in the quagmire in Iraq, so we will now cheerfully stumble over each other following him as he leads us over the cliff to a war with Iran." this was called "the sense of the senate"
Ritter speaks to Americans about finding the truth and acting upon it. In a related news development about grassroots efforts, it's good to see people speaking up and trying to change the media and other "powers that be" such as in the campaign to bring back a popular HBO show set in San Diego.
Sure, people should also be assertive about other things going on in Iraq, with Iran, within our government, military, society, the news media and elsewhere.
Though this coalition to bring back a TV show seems like a small thing in these times of danger from enemies foreign and domestic, the fact that Americans are organizing and petitioning the New York City-based media bosses of Time-Warner Corp. seems like a good sign.
And the show they want back has elements that can change the consciousness of Americans … and that is at the heart of many of our current challenges.
More information in the article …
"Grassroots coalition of TV viewers wants HBO's 'John from Cincinnati' to get second season" (AmericanChronicle.com September 26, 2007)
http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/viewArticle.asp?articleID=38701
USA 2007 = NAZI GERMANY 1940
As I declared on another thread, the US government has effectively seceded from/declared war upon the citizenry of the United States and all the world's peoples. This is the reality we MUST reract to. I believe Major Ritter knows and understands this but cannot bring himself to declare himself at war with the federal government.
Mahadeva: Are you from Norway? AMPS?
IYAMWUTIAN: Thanks for explaining this dollar thing to me. I've read other analyses that also placed one key reason for this war on the status of the US dollar, but your explanation took it a step further.
D.KITCHING: I, too, see the dire significance of the composition of the high court; yet I'm sure you'd agree that Clinton placed in centrists, and the entire court (under both parties) has veered substantially to the right, anyway. What we find ourselves begging for are crumbs of justice!
For those who can appreciate the cosmic perspective, I would like to relate the upcoming astrological cycles that unfortunately support the prospect of war. Contributors to this forum have heard me rant (it's the appropriate response, given how out of balance the intended circle has become) about Mars. It IS the god of war, or planet thereof. Mars will enter Cancer, which is our nation's (sun) sign on September 28. The astronomical orbit of Mars is about 22 months, yet it will be in Cancer from late September until mid-March, with the exception of what we term a retrograde phase taking it back into Gemini for all of January and February. Mars as warrior in Gemini, makes use of communications, the air waves and the propagandistic aspects of war.
Jupiter, the planet that refers to legal issues as well as beliefs in unlimited expansion (prosperity, etc) enters Capricorn, the sign that is diametrically opposed to Cancer in mid-December. So we will have Mars oppose Jupiter (this looks like "adventurism of the aggressive sort with a clear expansive mission attached") during Christmas week! Far more ominous (I have a book published on the influence of Pluto) is the fact that Pluto (its orbit is 248 years, so this opens a whole new chapter for citizens of all nations) is Pluto entering Capricorn in January. I most fear Mars (violence) opposing Pluto (nuclear weapons, mass force, mob action, covert forces, HADES/god of underworld, vengeance, etc.) which occurs twice, right around the onset of the new year (2008) and again in March (March 5-15), with the sun agitating Pluto right on the vernal equinox (March 21, 2008).
Mars entering the nation's sign ups the ante on the call to violence, and identification with it. This totally fits the case that informed MUNDANE authors like Ritter make. As I have repeatedly stressed, the KARMIC implications for the US choosing yet more aggression will be substantial. From 2010 and onwards, the US is going to meet with a set of astrological factors that will bring the nation to its knees. I believe the lords of karma know who's naughty and who's nice, and by that I mean, which imbeciles have supported the various Bush invasions of other lands. Those who in their hearts have identified with peace, have taken time and energy to try to offer another alternative to this nation gone mad on its own militaristic-style testosterone may have to share in the blowback that will follow, but on the soul level, we will not hold the same consequences as those who were too busy to care, or thought it was patriotic to send someone else's kids to kill someone else's kids, gas prices be damned.
KARLOF1: I agree, but once these guys enter the military for long-term careers, it's almost against their religion to stand up to the government. I meet people who think my liberal beliefs are against the government, and I have to explain to them that blindly following the government IS NOT an indication of patriotism and actually contradicts the basis for our government's design. As John Dean wisely noted, these authoritarians listen to church, government, business officials as if these people reflect some patriarchal, daddy god's unerring voice. What a shame! Minds are a terrible thing to waste!
"At that time the president declared, "I can say with certainty that the Quds Force, a part of the Iranian government, has provided these sophisticated IEDs [improvised explosive devices] that have harmed our troops"
No need to introduce the Liar-in-Chief, as by now he's world-renowned. But the image of Cheney and especially Rumsfeld is still clear in my mind when he said on TV that he was certain there were WMD's in Iraq," In the north, in the south, eat, and west."
Hey man, if you wanna attack and kill a few millions, go on and attack, why keep lying? Go on and get it over with, and save us the bullshit.
Consider the following two scenarios:
A couple of thieves push their way into a bank at the point of a gun, kill a couple of security guards and bank customers, head for the vault, grab the cash and run away. What do you think a judge will give them if they get caught? Life or the electric chair, maybe?
Now the U.S. military pushed its way into Iraq, killed God knows how many, headed for the oil wells, and started pumping and shipping it out.
Now, who's the judge here, the Supreme Court, The Hague, the Nuremberg, or the American people? And what punishment would they get, considering the gravity of the crime?
Hilarious. The Israeli Ambassador to the UN actually becomes a Holocaust denier by trivializing the holocaust in the statement quoted below from the above article by Scott Ritter:
"But why let facts get in the way of fiction. Israel's ambassador to the United Nations, Dan Gillerman, set the standard for intellectual discourse on the matter when he told the Conference of Presidents of Major Jewish Organization that a visit by President Ahmadinejad to Ground Zero would be 'similar to a visit by a resurrected Hitler to Auschwitz.'
You see:
Comparing Ahmadinejad's visit to Ground Zero to a resurrected Hitler visiting Auschwitz is a gross trivialization of the Holocaust. Let's remember, the premise against holocaust denial states that the Holocaust is unique, that Hitler's crimes are forever unique.
Thus, Ahmadinejad's visit to Ground Zero cannot be compared to a resurrected Hitler's visit to Auschwitz.
In fact, 911 cannot be compared to a Holocaust event, inspite of the fact that many see the similarities between 911 and prewar events in Nazi Germany. But, such gross metaphorical allusions are often inaccurate and dangerous.
As far as a "Resurrected Hitler visiting Auschwitz" is concerned: That already happenned quite recently, at Auschwitz in fact, just a two or three years ago, or little before that.
Dr. Ahmadi Nejad, Honourable President of Islamic Republic of Iran. seems to have dropped off the radar after all the calumny of the reporting on his recent visit.
When I was listening to the hatchet jobs being done on him, it reminded me of when Jimmy Carter was president. If memory serves, Dr. Carter has his PhD in Nuclear Engineering. The controlled press of that day gave Americans the impression that Carter was an ignorant peanut farmer who once hit a rabbit with a canoe paddle and had a drunken brother. Most of what he said was misrepresented, cut, mutilated, to give the same impression.
An article by Cliff Carson http://www.populistamerica.com/we_should_be_resisting_the_push_for_war_with_iran
points out part of Dr Ahmadi Nejad's biography. He was apparently number 440 of about ten thousand students. He has his Doctorate in Civil Engineering.
Cliff watched the uncut, unedited tapes of his talk for 60 Minutes. That was an hour and fifteen minutes of deep discussion, knocked down to an edited ten minutes for the program. Likewise the University talk and the UN. We the People get only what slant the spinmeisters want put on any subject. The current slant is one of an illiterate, uneducated, bigoted peasant. I copied his official biography below just to perhaps set the record straight.
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Biography of H.E. Dr. Ahmadi Nejad, Honourable President of Islamic Republic of Iran
Dr. Mahmoud Ahmadi Nejad was born in 1956 in the village of Aradan in the city of Garmsar. He moved and stayed in Tehran together with his family while he was still one-year old and completed his primary as well as his low and high secondary education there. In 1975, he successfully passed the university entrance exam with high marks and started his academic studies on the subject of civil engineering in the Science and Technology University in Tehran.
In 1986, he continued his studies at MS level in the same university. In 1989, he became a member of the Board of Civil Engineering Faculty of the Science and Technology University. In 1997, he managed to obtain his Ph.D. on transportation engineering and planning from the Science and Technology University.
Dr. Ahmadi Nejad is familiar with English language. During the years when he was teaching in the university, he wrote many scientific papers and engaged in scientific research in various fields. During the same period, he also supervised the theses of tens of students at MS and Ph.D. levels on different subjects of civil engineering, road and transportation as well as construction management.
While still a student, Dr. Ahmadi Nejad engaged in political activities by attending religious and political meetings before the Islamic Revolution. With the victory of the Islamic Revolution, he became a founder and also a member of the Islamic Association of Students in the Science and Technology University. During the war imposed on Iran, Dr. Ahmadi Nejad was actively present as a member of the volunteer forces (Basij) in different parts and divisions of the battlefronts particularly in the war engineering division until the end of the war.
Dr. Ahmadi Nejad is married and has three children- two sons and one daughter.
Career Background:
- Governor of Maku
- Governor of Khoy
- Advisor to the Governor General of Kordistan Province
- Advisor for cultural affairs to the Minister of Culture and Higher Education (1993)
- Governor General of Ardabil Province (1993-1997)
- Member of the Board of Civil Engineering Faculty of the Science and Technology University (since 1989 till present date)
- Tehran Mayor (2003-2005)
- He was elected by the Iranian people as the President during the 9th presidential election on June 24, 2005.
In addition to his academic and scientific pursuits as well as his executive positions, Dr. Ahmadi Nejad has engaged in the following careers and activities as well:
- Journalism; writing various political, social, cultural and economic articles,
- In the same career, he also held the position of managing director of Hamshahri newspaper and launched various affiliated periodicals including Neighborhood Hamshahri published and distributed in 22 areas of the city of Tehran, Hamshahri for Passengers, Diplomatic Hamshahri, Youth Hamshahri, Monthly Hamshahri and also extra pages attached to the Hamshahri newspaper for thinkers, students, etc.
- Founding and working as a member of Iran Tunnel Society,
- Working as a member of Iran Civil Engineering Society,
- Working as a member of the first central council of the Islamic Association of Students in the Science and Technology University,
- Working as a member of the first central council of the Union of Islamic Associations of University and Higher Education Institutes in Iran.
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Not, perhaps the picture that Cheney/BushCo wants before the American People.
Cliff also mentioned the letter that he sent to Bush requesting talks, which Bush is said to have returned unread. I read it on line when it was first sent and it was eminently reasonable. I am sure that it was rejected because Bush couldn't have even held a rudimentary conversation with him without revealing himself as an illiterate ignoramus.
We the People had better wake up and start researching some of this stuff ourselves rather than accepting the spin of the Cheney/Bush propaganda machine. We could avoid some horrible mistakes that way.
iyamwutiam,
You are essential correct. Oil is the preeminent substance of true value. (it keeps us alive by feeding us, transporting us, clothing us, heating our homes, in general providing our energy) Attaching the U.S. dollar to oil was a brilliant accomplishment of Richard Nixon.
Bush is protecting the U.S. economy by protecting access and control of oil.
Since U.S.domestic production of oil peaked in the 1970s, U.S. policy has become global to ensure that this life blood of oil continues to flow to America's benefit.
Scott Ritter is a true patriot but I have yet to see him make a strategic connection between war in Iraq/Iran/Venezuela and oil. Given this strategic premise what would Scott Ritter do?
Keep going Mr. Ritter. Maybe you and 'libertas fugit' could get together and write a piece that would clarify the actual position of the Iranians. And, what is it Mr. Ahmadi Nejad might have to say that has the monkey and its handlers acting so silly?
Maybe you could write a piece that would shed some light on the psychotic monky and his handlers not knowing who is Mandela (easy name to say).
Some of the people here got it right, but not many. Who cares about Congress? Who cares about Bush? They don't have any power. It's the corporations you have to make your statements to. They're in charge. Of course you have to dig pretty deep, because they are well hidden behind their political puppets. Behind that pretty receptionist. Behind that adorable public relations gal, who really, really sees things so much your way.
Anyone in America who thinks they are living in a democracy and that elections mean anything hasn't been paying attention. If you want action, take 10,000 strong protests to the war corporations, and if anyone from Congress shows up, tell him to get lost. Tell him you're there to speak to his boss.
FPAL. I do hope I misunderstand what you just wrote.
If I read it properly, you believe Bush is correct to do whatever is necessary, to insure we have the oil required to maintain our standard of life. If that is your premise, then wouldn't it be easier and less costly to take over Venezuela, instead of attacking Iran? At least they have better weather conditions there and it's closer to home. Anyway, I hope you were attempting to be be sarcastic, but your comments read as if you are quite serious. If so and you return to reply, this thread could become very interesting.
Sure, FPAL is serious. Every civilization depends on its source of energy. For the Romans, it was farmland, which they expanded to the furthest limits. Food drove their cities, fuelling humans and animals to do the work.
Oil fuels modern societies. Unfortunately, it also fuels global warming. And, it fuels wars, both by causing the 'need' for them, and providing the energy to wage them.
Bush is doing the 'right' thing for America, because he knows America wants to go on dominating the planet with its endless greed for useless consumer junk.
This is a serious matter all right. It's time for people to allign their real interests with their life styles. In that case, the need for oil will diminish dramatically, and the world will be at peace.
i find it very telling and very disconcerting to read the boards here.
scott ritter is a uniquely credentialed man when it comes to the situation in iran. and iraq too for that matter.
as a weapons inspector he was loud and correct before all this shit got under way.
his analysis is always sober and determined and he possesses a strong ability to communicate, both verbally and in writing.
google/youtube scott and you will here him speaking in a variety of settings and you will learn something.
he has information coming out of the intelligence community and on the ground and everywhere in between and he is not given to hyperbole.
i think the time has come for all of us to put our opinions aside. yes i know that sounds blasphemous for folks who know as much as y'all, but i know it is time to give up the ghost on iraq.
to not prevent the attack on iran is the end of us all.
period.
and if that comes tomorrow morning when we get up then that is what it will be. and when it will be.
speaking out against the government when we attack iran and have lost say - 300,000 or 400,000 men and women in battle - having killed 4 or 5 million iranis (which would then see the fascists in israel attack lebanon, syria, probably iran too, for starters - they would seize the moment to make yet another land grab - in fact they have been drooling to do it for years.)
but, back to my point, for us, to speak out after this has begun will get you a one way ticket to the nearest fema prison.
remember, the government does not have to charge you, can detain you without due process, can strip you of your assets, can fly you to another country and have mercenaries torture until you are dead.
bush can suspend the constitution.
bush can suspend the elections.
bush has all these rights, ceded him by the congress, right now.
and i will tell you folks, lots of the people bravely posting today will never be heard from again.
i ask you:
*why did fema build 600 fully operational and manned prisons in the continental united states?
i'd like to see the planning memos on that.
by the way, again without wishing to offend, moveon.org's act is sophomoric (although i applaud them, at least they do something). to not know that is to not have any fucking idea whatsoever about what is going to be required to win the fight against bush.
think about this article long and hard before buzzing over to the next flower my little chickadees.
I see, so UNTIL we have aligned our real interests, the Bush administration policies 'are' appropriate. I certainly can see the seriousness of the situation. I also can see you likely do not approve Malfoyd, I'm not certain about FPAL's stand on the issue.
I believe it is 800 FEMA prisons MILESOFMUSIC. Some have large crematoriums too. Gas is less expensive per person, than beans and rice.
Your comments sound as if you personally aren't very worried about it, are you from another country, or do you have friends in high places?
stopping the war in iran will stop the war in iraq, not vice cersa.
Starting a war with Iran ensures that the US would never be able to leave Iraq. Never. It means oil at 200 dollars a barrel, and oil shortages as the Straits would be closed by Iran, cutting off 40% of the worlds oil exports.
The world may plunge into a recession, if not a global depression.
The USD may plummet another 20%, perhaps more, if not a complete collapse, should China protest by cutting off the loans.
It probably gives Israel a green light to invade Lebanon and Syria and spark a regional war in the Middle East.
Then there is the question of a China and Russian response. If they do not respond, it must mean we bought them off somehow. What did we promise them?
Hitler promised Stalin 1/2 of Poland in his pact. Do we give Russia their Union back so we can do a Cold War II (the neocons really miss the Cold War), let China take Taiwan, what else?
If we don't do a deal, then what is their response? This is how World Wars start, unintended consequences leading to other wars, escalating to a global war.
Hitler tried to create a New European Order and would have got away with it if the British and French allowed it. If they had stood by and not declared war over Poland, then Hitler would have been free to take on the Soviets w/o a 2nd front and may have won, and Europe would be a German Fascist Republic today.
The key to Iran then is China and Russia. Will Iran be our Poland that sets off a World War, or will it be the basis of a pact between the US and China/Russia that gives them something substantial in return for standing aside. After Iran we may target them, or not.
Only a crazy man bombs Iran knowing the potential consequences, right? I mean, no one is really worried that Iran is enough of a threat today that would justify a war and it's consequences.
Unless the plan is to create a global economic and military crisis so as to create conditions that will allow them to establish a New World Order with a global government headed up by the US and supported by it's European, Middle East and Asian allies, with Bush and Cheney as one of the founding fathers of the global constitution. This constitution replaces our own constitution after a Constitutional Convention is called for as a result of the crisis. Our founding fathers could not envision a world of nuclear weapons and terrorists, so those freedoms they gave us are not possible in todays world, and the new constitution will not give us these freedoms.
Hyperbole? Perhaps.
Regardless, hopefully there are still some people left in Washington and the Military that remember the oath they swore to was to uphold the Constitution. Under our consitutional laws, committing the Supreme International Crime, a War of Agression, is unlawful. Unlawful orders need not be obeyed. Iraq in the fog of a post 9/11 environment was perhaps understandable. The fog has lifted, no excuses now.
kem patrick
writes:
believe it is 800 FEMA prisons MILESOFMUSIC. Some have large crematoriums too. Gas is less expensive per person, than beans and rice.
Your comments sound as if you personally aren't very worried about it, are you from another country, or do you have friends in high places?
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Your comments sound as if you personally aren't very worried about it
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kem, can i call you kem, if i wasn't concerned then what would be my motivation for spending my time here.
trying to sound thoughtful.
what country, other than israel, will benefit from this disaster. it won't matter where you live.
try to imagine a muslim uprising in europe - where there are countless millions of muslims.
or india where there are over 100 million.
major uprisings all over aisa.
gwynne dyer has said that this war could result in the starvation deaths of 950 million africans.
after iran the american fascists will go after venezuela.
the war without end.
halelujah!
then, kem, we could discuss how fascist germany infiltrated and took over the united states.
globalization - the weimar republic.
makes you wonder who won that damn war.
then we could touch on eugenics, of which the bush family is very involved (with the Rockefeller's and Carnegie's)
so kem, am i personally worried about it - you bet.
i have worked for many years with refugees from all over the worlds.
belive me, you don't want americans be able to tell these stories from personal experiences.
i thought i was putting a lot of feeling in my posts, they are quite sincere.
sorry to mislead you and i will try to be better.
let's just agree that we need to stop the war on iran.
And speaking of Iran...
Nukes from North Dakota's Minot Air Force Base shipped to Louisiana were intended for the Middle East. Those "B-52 Nukes were Headed for Iran, Not For Decommissioning, but the Air Force refused to fly the weapons to Middle East theater.
The mission was aborted due to internal opposition within the Air Force and U.S. Intelligence according to reliable sources:
http://www.oregontruthalliance.org/?q=node/245
Did Cheney issue the order to send nukes to the Middle East
as part of the Pentagon's highly classified PROJECT CHECKMATE ? Since June 2007 the U.S. Air Force has been working on an attack plan for Iran 2007, around the same time that Cheney was also working on a joint Israeli-U.S. attack scenario on Iran.
Will Congress call Cheney, and his puppet Bush to account? And if not, why not?
canuckchuck September 27th, 2007 5:31 pm
"USA 2007 = NAZI GERMANY 1940"
Exactly..you are talking on my favorite topic..
Does anyone else remember when the FBI tried to entrap Mr. Ritter in an internet child luring sting?
And now, the light programme....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeo0_3gN190
KEM: the Haliburton built 'detention facilities' have been estimated to be able to 'process' 10,000 people per day...
Right on Scott. As before, the media is playing a dirty game, the politicians are going along, and the defense contractors and oil merchants are gearing up for more bloated profit margins.
The effective anti-war groups are
The Iraq Veterans Against the War
http://www.ivaw.org/
US Labor Against the War
http://www.uslaboragainstwar.org/
Forget about the others and support these two. Also, read this speech by Daniel Ellsberg: "A Coup has Occurred":
http://www.consortiumnews.com/2007/092607a.html
milesofmusic,
I think you're playing right into Hiltler's fear game. One false question, and we'll taser you already down on the ground and now you have a police record. One false post, and we'll declare you an ememy combatant and have you hauled off to the concentration camps.
It was people like you, worried about losing your job if you spoke up, that got us into this police state in the first place. So what if Nazi's have hijacked our government? So what if they're torturing people that oppose their policies. You can't let fear control you like it does half the nation, or else each day, another liberty will be gone.
As for me, I regret that I have but one life to give for the constitution. I swear to protect it along with brave men like Scott Ritter any way I can.
pacplyer - out
Peace Czar September 27th, 2007 9:36 pm
The wicked laughter that defies decency:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3gQfz8GC0o&mode=related&search=
WATCH THIS FOR CLARITY
[Hilliary should be dancing around a witches hat]