First, leave it to FOX Noise to identify Lieberman as a Democrat, which they like to do so they can claim another Democrat supports Bush's outrageous lies and moves. And the number of supposedly real Democrats who voted for this insane resolution is a further example of why progressives should withold support for the Democratic Party and instead encourage the establishment of a new Progressive Democratic Party.

The photo caption says that Lieberman is a Democrat.

The United States Senate does not list Lieberman as a Democrat. Lieberman is sometimes called an Independent Democrat. But an intitial search at http://bioguide.congress.gov/
will state that Lieberman is an Independent.

The photo caption says that Lieberman is a Democrat.

The United States Senate does not list Lieberman as a Democrat.

http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm

http://bioguide.congress.gov/scripts/biodisplay.pl?index=L000304

He is sometimes called an Independent Democrat, but if you search http://bioguide.congress.gov/ the initial response will say that Lieberman an Independent.

These closet Nazis cant help themselves !

http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/null/46586

The wicked laughter that defies decency:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3gQfz8GC0o&mode=related&search=

Note: I didn't make the video, but was disturbingly enlightened by the facts presented.

Sadly, the majority of Americans may not even be particularly interested in good leadership. They just acquiesce to whatever consent the MSM manufactures.

I'm afraid at this point that genuine progressive, visionary, compassionate and honest government must move forward despite both the rigged electoral system (rigged on several levels) as well as overall apathy.

ENN, I agree with you 100%. With electronic balloting however, it is unlikely we will have any honest elections.

Karlof1-Did you ever read Jefferson's letter to his nephew, James Carr, laying out a course of reading and study to make himself a useful citizen?

That is why our Constitution was so well written. The authors had a knowledge and understanding of history, both ancient and current. They could draw lessons and learn from the mistakes, and the successes, of the past. Their minds were not closed off to current events, either. They were truly statesmen.

Look at the dreck we have in high places now. They're lucky if they can sign their names without a speech writer and a phonetic teleprompter.

I don't forsee anything good coming out of this gang, even if we get rid of them. Jefferson said, "The two enemies of the people are criminals and government, so let us tie the second down with the chains of the Constitution so the second will not become the legalized version of the first."

I firmly feel that the new gang is not impeaching because over the past seven years, those chains have been cut, link by link, so now we have that legalized criminality that Jefferson warned about. They want to inherit that illegal power with the legal precedents set by allowing it to happen.

Clinton, McCain, Obama or whoever, they want to put on that mantle and assume the dictatorship. I hope that there is a statesman in the wings who will reject this and work to return the Constitution and Bill of Rights, intact and functioning, to the Halls of Government. If someone will actually work towards that, wholeheartedly, I'll support him or her without reservation. I do not believe lip service, however. We get plenty of that every day from Congress.

Hi CONSCIENCE, an invesigation of the "missing" nukes was conducted. The commander of the missile maintenance squadron was relieved of duty, the loading MMS team was re-trained. A rather pitiful cover story. Then the investigation was put on hold until another higher headquartrs team could begin a more "in-depth investigation". Those older cruise missiles were to be de-activated, not up-graded ___ according to the Pentagon. One way to deactivate a nuclear weapon, is to see if it works as advertised.

What is significant about the entire story is, some military officers blew the whistle and leaked the story to the press. That took some innner strength and 'perhaps' we'll see a lot more of that type of honesty in the near future, hopefully from some of the general officers who are still on active duty.

If I were a real American I would take the best among you, who share the common dream of freedom, justice and peace for the world and form a new political party called the Common Dreams Party, and get organized to take back your country through a proper election.

libertas fugit--at least there are two of us who understand the importance of knowing history. Thanks for your post.

In a post waaay up the line in this queue, I mentioned a 1916 High School text book, Ancient Times - A History of the Early World, by Professor James Breasted. As I mentioned in the above post, I don't think very many college students could read and understand it today. A sad comment.

Remember, that textbook was written in 1916, before we got involved in the first "war to end all wars."

Last night I was reading about the Assyrians around the time of Sargon II, around 700 BC.

"To maintain the army was the chief work of the State. The State was a vast military machine, more terrible than any mankind had yet ever seen. We shall understand this situation if we imagine that our war department were the central office in Washington, and that our government should devote itself chiefly to supporting it." (There is a considerable discussion following about what the introduction of iron in the bronze age had done to the balance of power. Sort of like the nuclear age now.)

It goes on to say, "Wherever the terrible Assyrian armies swept through the land, they left a trail of ruin and desolation behind." The plundered wealth of the nations conquered went to the maintenance of the army, and the government of the King.

"Like many another later ruler, however, the Assyrian emperors made a profound mistake in policy. For their wars of conquest led to the destruction of the industrial and wealth producing population, first within their own territory and then throughout the subject kingdoms.... The people were largely agricultural and in the old days it had sufficed to call them from their farming for short periods to defend the frontiers. With the expansion of the empire, however, such temporary bodies of troops were insufficient, and the peasants were permanently taken from the fields to fill the ranks of an ever-growing standing army. It is not improbable that the ruling class was buying up the small farms to form great estates."

It goes on to record the difficulties of manning the huge army, and finally the use of mercenaries from the subject kingdoms to swell the ranks.

Finally, the surrounding nations began to fight back as they learned the new methods of warfare. The subject kingdoms finally began to revolt and the mercenaries turned on their employers as the funding dried up and the Assyrian Empire finally came to an end.

I guess it is a good thing that history is not taught in the schools these days, somebody might learn something from it. The scenario certainly seems familiar to me. To bad nobody in Washington DC reads. (History or anything else, apparently.)

The US Government--Legislative and Executive--are clearly no longer a part of the country they supposedly govern. I submit it is they who have secedded from the citizenry as a whole. We The People MUST find and ally ourselves with the faction of the military cited in Madsen's article that is actively working to avert worse becoming WORST. It's Second Amendment Time, and those of us here who are ex-military know what we must do. I take the view that with this Senate bill and the House bill to ratchet-up the already vicious economic war against Iran the US Government has declared war on its own citizens--if that wasn't obvious already. No future election is going to change the relationship between an outlaw federal government and the peace-loving peoples of the world.

From this point on, a state of war exists between the US government and myself and everyone else who seriously took the oath to defend the constitution from ALL enemies foreign and DOMESTIC.

Barack Oreo-bama didn't vote cuz he's too busy sayin "yassuh, whatever you sez massuh" to his southern Illinois liquified coal patron-polluter and anyone else who'll stuff his pockets. It'll be awhile, but soon we'll see he's just as dirty as the rest of 'em. Or maybe he was too busy polishing his insipid platitudes to vote.

Bush already has unlimited power to deal with terrorists. By designating the Iranian Republican Guard as a terrorist organization the senate gave Bush the permission he needed to unleash unholy hell on Iran with his favorite bunker busters. He doesn't really need an official declaration of war. The senate was snookered again. They must act now to stop this madness. Webb has it right. Our troops will pay with their blood...they will be caught between the Iraqi insurgents and the Iranian army. Every other angry jihadist will join the fight. Heaven help us all!

If Jewberman says it isn't a declaration of war and yet another license to maim and murder, it's time to don the Kelvar and break out the depleted uranium. Hillary, the whore of Walmart and tart of Tysons, is on board cuz it takes a village to really inflict some carnage on kiddies and other noncombatants.

By the way, what's Hillary's excuse for not objecting when "I feel your pain, but suck it anyway" Billy Bob's more stringent sanctions caused the death of a million Iraqis including 500,000 children - most under five years of age? Madeline Alfright says she and Billy Bob thought it worth the price - especially since her complicity got her bumped up from UN assbassador to Secretary of Hate. Both of these skanks need a gender check. Don't look at me! I ain't going down there! Let Lynn the Lesbo Lon Cheney check'em out.

QUOTE: GREG BACON'S post here at 6:45am is very informative and most important. It does appear that some, if not many of our military officers do wish to stop the Cheney/Bush/ Rumsfeld madness. The missing six nukes incident and their "accidently" loading on a B-52H and flown from Minot to Barksdale AFB is quite a tale. It could NEVER have happened accidently. ___ Impossible. UNQUOTE

Of course not . . . and I presume we are only hearing part of the story -- where is the investigation????

Americans should understand that as anti-Jewish as Nixon was, he understood the value of ARMING RIGHT-WING FUNDAMENTALIST ISRAELIS.

Meanwhile, it is said that Israel and America's weapons production is so intertwined that it is almost impossible to tell the difference between them!!!!

These nukes were targeted to be "upgraded" which may have eased the "mistake."

Frank Heydenreich --

Well, jingle bells in one's pockets would do it --
or rattling change in your pocket?

The point is that people have to understand what is happening and that there are a couple of thousand things we can all do.

The capitalists CAN speak for one another . . . . they meet regularly!!!

Americans are going to have to come together the hard way -- person to person -- talking, becoming political!!!!

QUOTE: doncur: How does the human race manage to end up with such vicious and moronic leaders? UNQUOTE

Electronic voting machines which have been in play since the late 1960's . . . see VOTESCAM by the Collier journalists --

We seem to have only noticed this since 2000?????

I fear he already has.

saywhat, maybe he should just forego the GOP and join the Nazi party? I think he'd be a smashing success!

I just could never understand why Joseph Lieberman never fully became an official member of the Republican party, he has done a great service for them and would be a proud member.

Didn't someone here ask what the USA gets out of supplying and plotting wars together with Israel?
I will tell you the truth now folks and I think even the radical Zionists will agree ( I found this out from my grandma Cohen)

What the USA will get is a scapegoat for the fall of the corporate War Machine Empire...that is right just like the Christian Zionists will turn on Israel for not converting to Jesus quickly enough...so will the Bush, British, and now French connections and will blame the Jews and everyone will follow because guilt by association is the core of modern political gamesmanship.... so at the scapegoat endgame phase they won't mention the word "Israel", but will blame it all on "The Jews"!

That is why the Old Royalty (the New too) wanted Jews to take the blame for usury by being a main control of central banking...when the system fails...blame the Jews.... Will, I am not gonna take it anymore so when I am president I will get the Iranian and Israel and the Clintons and Bush's together in a room with Castro who will be 120 years old and tell them all "If you guys don't start lovin each other and trade whiskey for beads, I am gonna make you all watch Osama Bin Ladens latest Video in an isolation chamber for three freakin days....OK?

Problem solved,

And don't forget to vote...even if your dead!

Bro Jim

Good picture of Mr Lieberman.
That means Loving man in German or is it FreeMan.?
With his fist in the air and a war cry in his throat!!.
But that is the symbol of that war loving nation the USA with it's screaming eagle and it's war time stars and stripes.(See uscivilflags.org)
The present strategy is to single out the countries one by one and finish em off one at a time.
This time with "tactical" nuclear weapons.
Which brings one to the main point .
THE BIGGEST TERRORIST STATE IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD is the USA.
Hiroshima and Nagasaki are not terror?
60000 H-bombs in silos and subs are not terror?
B 52 antipersonnel bombs set to explode at 6 inches from the ground and launch 5000 plastic balls (so as to lodge in human tissue-plastic cannot be seen on Xrays.)See "Techno War" in Vietnam .
Napalm and Agent Orange in Nam are not terror?
Bombing Afghanistan or threatening to bomb Pakistan "To the stone ages" is not terror?.
9/11 set up by USA military is not terror?See In Plane Site video.Troubling)
Invading Iraq after lying about WMD ,massacring over 1 Million Iraquis ,False -flag abductions and the beheading of Tom Fox,American Peacemaker by CIA agents, all that is not terror?
Now nuclear bombing of Iran ,then Pakistan,then Syria etc.
The military industrial complex has taken over all agendas in the world.
The Empire is now.
Star Wars is now.
Wake up this is not a movie.
Your country has become an Evil Empire run secretly by evil men.

From reading some of yur prior posts Kristina, I'm certan that I'd love you also. Your young man is most fortunate.

I didn't know about Cristian Amanpour's special, wish I'd seen it. _____ I'm sure that I could love her too, and Siouxrose, Kathy, Rebel and many others too. ____ In a distant, hands off fashion of course.

Kem, if you watching Christian Amanpour's three night special on God's Warriors she touched on that very subject. She even had video from of these speeches given at evangelical churches...

I love me some Kem! I was wondering if anyone else bothered to read that article! Kudos to you Greg Bacon for providing that article. I knew the official story was BULLSHIT from the onset. This article makes much more sense! Are people getting it yet? I doubt it....

When Lieberman says "There is no intention of declaring war" he is telling the truth. They will attack Iran with no declaration.

It is interesting to read the actual transcript of Ahminejad's address at Columbia. He is goofy and long winded and says some dumb things but his remarks are pretty innocuous yet have been completely spun to make him out to be evil personified by neo-cons in the press. They must demonize him so that when we nuke Iran the American people will think they deserved it. Yes, anyone questioning the existence of the Holocaust or gays should be nuked.

I don't know if it is totally correct but the article on WMD in Iran on Wikipedia is quite interesting. If anything there is more insight into the Iranian nuclear program than there was into the Iraqi program and no solid evidence has emerged that the Iranians are working on nuclear weapons. Deja Vu.

After his speech I heard someone comment that Ahminejad may not be well spoken but then those people don't always elect the best and brightest as President. I laughed out loud at that one.

Let's just look at the facts. There is a country that

a) Exports terrorism
b) Has a President who blunders verbally at every turn
c) Can't be trusted with Nukes
d) Is run by religious extremists
e) Is hated abroad

Nuff said.

The first blog I ever wrote in my life, was near three months ago here at Common Dreams, under the name Evelyn Smith. I cannot find it for reference now, for the CD archives stats page has been unavailable for the past week or so.

I told how a high ranking Israli military officer spoke at a large Evangilical church congregation and alluded to the fact, that Isreal did have nuclear weapons and not to be surprised if they used them against Iran sometime in the near future. I'm certain the same type of sermon was preached by other Israli's at many other churches in America. Why? Well, I suppose to have support from some Americans when the Ax does fall.

GREG BACON'S post here at 6:45am is very informative and most important. It does appear that some, if not many of our military officers do wish to stop the Cheney/Bush/ Rumsfeld madness. The missing six nukes incident and their "accidently" loading on a B-52H and flown from Minot to Barksdale AFB is quite a tale. It could NEVER have happened accidently. ___ Impossible.

I read the latest news reports of the incident and how it happened. What a bunch of crap, it could not have been an accident, supposedly the nuclear weapons were stored in the same bunkers with conventional weapons. and the highly trained AMMMS team, accidently took the wrong cruise missles and loaded nuclear weapons on the aircraft. There they sat all night, unguarded, the aircraft crew chief and his entire team didn't notice it, the next day a fight crew took off with them and didn't realize they were carrying nuclear weapons etc, ect. ___ Bull-shit!

A cover story that makes no sense what-so-ever. I helped write SAC manuals for the B-52H aircraft and what they now say transpired is impossible. It would be just as likely to believe that a space shuttle crew took off in the wrong space shuttle and no one caught the error until they were on their way to Mars instead of the space station. It would be just as believeable to believe the B-52 and nuclear weapons tale, as if Bush had a press conferance at midnoight tonight and said he was resigning the presidency because he just found out Kerry actually won the election.

Thank you Greg Bacon, for writing that most informative blog. It is very important, as it explains a lot of things and perhaps we still have a slim chance of having our country and our Constitution back where it belongs.

Let me see, North Korea has missles that could possibly reach our shores, but they are pretty close to China, Iran doesn't have missles to reach us, yet! China needs oil and are staying pretty quit about what's going on. The next 3 to 4 elections vote whoever is in, OUT, no matter what they've done, good or bad.

Even if the goal of Islam is so singular, that the average poor Joe Sixpacks on the street in the mideast is more concerned with geopolitics rather than feeding his own family (I dispute this), what of it? Since when is Israel's defense our job?

They've got only 6 million people, 1/1000th of the world population. Why are we supposed to be so concerned about their fate, numerically speaking, any more than 1/1000th?

I'm not advocating any sort of anti-semitism here, and count several Jewish people as friends, and other Jews as philosophical/political influences. But why, exactly, is Israel's defense our job? Why is the MSM so fixated on it?

In the politics of Empire, one can see why the European powers fought over North America. And perhaps there was some grumbling back in London in the late 18th century: "Why are we spending so much energy trying to fight for control of America?" There were, and remain, tremendous resources here. America, as a colony, was worth fighting for financially. It brought back far more tribute, wealth, etc. to the Crown than it demanded.

What's Israel given the US in return for all the aid, the war expense, the GREATER amount of hatred of America that these policies have created, training grounds for more terrorists, etc.? What's in it for the US? Is this not a fair question any more?

Go see Jamie Foxx mow down Jihadists in a theater near you now! There's an easy version of right and wrong for many Americans and the benevolent slums of Saudi Arabia are what freedom is all about.
Look, we don't have time to send messages to our statesman, they'll do what's best. Their Saudi friends are deservedly more influential then we are. (sheesh, we're just citizens.) Anyone with bags of money "wins." Mattel has apologized to the Communists, Bill Gates loves them too. Freedom!

Yikes, after reading the article and then the postings, I just want to bury my head in the sand and bite my nails as I watch the outcome of the Brewers Cubs race for the Central Division. I really dont want to think about it, I really dont want to think about it. I am going to pretend this is all a game of bluff. Surely Bush et al cant pull this off.

GO CUBS

Another giant step towards a fascist state aided and abetted by Israeli lobby democrats and the thoroughly corrupt media.

The most positive possible interpretation of this? I think it is that we are one day closer to the collapse of this great experiment in self-government, known as the USA, that has gone terribly awry and had become a grotesque caricature of greed, self-absorption, and consumerism.

Anyone watch the DAYSTAR Christian/Zionist network? I was watching last night, and the preacher stated that "The goal of Islam is destroy the Jews and Conquer Jerusalem" and described the coming final battle of Armegeddon. He directly called for the destuction of Iran, and all Muslims- on PBS (the propaganda broadcasting system) the "War" propaganda feel-good piece was broadcast for 8 straight hours- any one catch Ken Burns when he said that "PBS is the best use of our tax dollars, and the Defense Department is the second best"= and then called for supporting "Freedom" and "Democracy" there is no more media- watch "Network" again- we are even worse off

KEM PATRICK,GALEN ET AL

just had to tell you all this: headline on yahoo news:

austrian court refuses to declare chimp a person...........

Imagine, A not so peacefull million person march, because thats what its going to take. For years we have allowed our Constitution to be trampled by a minority with power. I'm sorry folks, its time to protect what congress won't, Our Constitution. Thomas Jefferson said "sometimes you need a revolution". Let me know when and where.

If anybody cares, there was a moment in the Democratic New Hampshire "debate" last night which says it all about our pathetic system dominated by corporate money and influence. Dennis Kucinich, in response to one of
Tim Russert's idiotic hypothetical questions, stated that Americans can have a President who works for universal health care, funding of education, stopping preventive wars to control resources, cutting the military budget and ending the (illegal)Iraq war or they can have a tall president. Pretty good use of the 30-second "lightning round" by Congressman Kucinich.

I was so proud of Kucinich and Gravel last night. Russert kicked them several times with personal attack questions and they stood up to him. I hate, hate, hate, how Gravel is treated as a crazy old man! He's an American hero for Christ's sake and he's treated like someone's Grampa with Ahlzeimers. The man told the other morons on stage how they could end this war before the years out if that is what they REALLY WANTED to do, he was laughed at and scorned...Disgusting!

One more thing Walt and Mersheimer noted big oil advocates on tax breaks and other incentives but does not advocate on foreign policy. Its AIPAC and the neocons and the MIC people without them these wars in Iraq and now Iran could not happen. No more blood for AIPAC should be the new slogan! Until we recognize and name the problem the anti-war movement is doomed. After Iran these lunatics will push for Syria.

The release is from Faux News. One has to read this stuff carefully. Notice that the Lieberboy is still a D-Conn, not I-Conn. They reproduce this misinformation intentionally. It's good to see the list (thanks montemerrick and ascott) of who are and are not Democrats in the summary of who voted and how above. Clinton and Obama are not Democrats, Biden is. And thanks Greg Bacon for the lucid summery of subterfuge and dirty dealing in the world's march toward Armageddon.

"It was sponsored by Sens. Jon Kyl, R-Ariz., and Joe Lieberman, D-Conn."

Lieberman is not a Democrat. He's an independent. Ned Lamont was the Democratic nominee for that Senate seat Lieberman defeated in the 2006 election.

Rick: Coincedentally (!) enough, Iran closed it's border crossings into the Kurdish area yesterday.

jungleboy: My ancestor too came across on the Mayflower. Three times. He was the ships carpenter. Helped break up the ship after its last trip.

Coco: I wanted people to feel the 'punch in the gut' that modern society has coming. I was in tears as I WROTE that poem. It was inspired by a wonderful lady I know, who loves her kids, and how I wanted them all to be safe.

Ok THIS, plus the LEADING DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL CANIDATES all saying they can't garuntee troops out of Iraq by even 2013 (6 years from now) AND Hillary's health insurance "plan" which is just another large government handout to Corperations. Also all with more imperial ambitions, and seemingly mum and content with government spying and destruction of civil liberties.

That's like 7 strikes on the dems. I don't know how any sane liberal, left-leaning, or slighly left-moderate could vote democrat in 2008. Someone tell me why they're going to vote democrat in 2008. It's going to make no difference, since 06 it's definately made no difference. You think they're going to change the direction of the country, but you're wrong.

Someone tell me what good it does to vote democrat in 2008?

Perhaps it's all over ladies and gentleman.It's hard to conceive of a more insane course America is on. A war with Iran is truly the end both of our current way of life, and possibly of life as we know it on earth. I have to wonder if there is a deliberate plan to destroy America- look at our failing education system, economy, and decimated manufacturing sector. This is a bit off comment, but what about the shrill voices on the left denouncing the 9/11 conspirators as infantile ninnies without looking in at any of the evidence? A friend of mine's girlfriend was writing her thesis on planes crashing into the world trade center in 1997! And she was mysteriously murdered- as was one of the student leaders of "scholars for 9/11 truth" (shot in broad daylight by masked gunmen accompanied by his mother and girlfriend)
I am revolted with all of the Zionist bullshit and control of our country- name me a single sovereign country with so many dual citizens in top government positions. I am sick of the whining about the holocaust and genocide when (1) it is being committed right now in Palestine, and (2) there have been many other mass killings of ethnic groups throughout history. Anti-Semitism is being created right now by the total control of our media, our government by pro-Israeli forces.

I saw Walt and Mersheimer speak this week on their new book the Israel Lobby. They were correct on everything including the fact the lobby would lead us head-long into war with Iran. I suggest you all read it as its going to be the blueprnt to understanding all future wars in the Middle East. AIPAC must be stopped at all costs. As these two eloquent speakers said lets empower the true Pro-Israel group Peace Now and Rabbi Lerner/Tikkun. Who's with me? Congressman Jim Moran also warned about AIPAC recently.

I don't have a gram of faith left in this country! We are being run by warmongering lunatics who have their own selfish interests at heart. They could care less about this country and the people in it. It is utterly sickening what we have come to.

The Democratic Party has itself to blame for this debacle.

Had national Democratic leaders thrown their full support behind Connecticut Democratic primary winner Ned Lamont in the general election in '06 would Joe Liberman be in the US Senate today?

Oh, well, at least one of my US senators, the Democratic one, voted against this latest example of national stupidity.

The red and blue map of the results of the last US elections, the exceedingly high number of violent deaths, the extremely high percentage of the population incarcerated in comparison to other western countries, their continuous military actions over the world, tells me that the United Nations should resolve to split the US of A.

Vern September 27th, 2007 6:59 am

Last night I saw a recent film on the occupation of Palestine:

http://www.occupation101.com/

"A thorough overview and even though I was familiar with most of the facts, it was heart wrenching nonetheless. The scope of the repressed truth is breathtaking and there is so few avenues to expose it because of the power of the Israel lobbies and Jewish-Americans who put pressure on to silence any discussion. Yes, Jewish-Americans whose indoctrinated allegiance to Israel and tribe–even when the crimes are on the scope of Nazi Germany (and I mean that with complete sincerity–how can one witness the Palestinian refugee camps and not see the Ghettos?)...."

Excellent Commentary..

Fuckin' Lieberman---He belongs in a NURSING HOME, not the Senate! No price in blood or treasure is too great for his Chosen People who (Bible quote) "must not reckon themselves among the nations"....WHEN WILL WE HAVE HAD ENOUGH? Why don't we invade Israel so that we can liberate the Palestinians living for generations now in concentration camps?

In an article entitled "The Next Act" published last November, Hersh wrote: "In the past six months, Israel and the United States have also been working together in support of a Kurdish resistance group known as the Party for Free Life [PJAK] in Kurdistan. The group has been conducting clandestine cross-border forays into Iran, I was told by a government consultant with close ties to the Pentagon civilian leadership, as 'part of an effort to explore alternative means of applying pressure on Iran.' (The Pentagon has established covert relationships with Kurdish, Azeri and Baluchi tribesmen, and has encouraged their efforts to undermine the regime's authority in northern and southeastern Iran.) The government consultant said that Israel is giving the Kurdish group 'equipment and training.' The group has also been given 'a list of targets inside Iran of interest to the US".

I am sure that senator Liberman is well aware of the fact that the U.S. government is and as been since at least 2004 and most likely long before,as been funding and trianing the PKAJ and the PKK to carry our cross broader raids into Iran.
In one incident a Revolutionary Guard member was killed, when a PKK member shot down a helicopter in northern Iran with shoulder fired missle..HMMMM,Wonder where he got that?

Last night I saw a recent film on the occupation of Palestine:

http://www.occupation101.com/

A thorough overview and even though I was familiar with most of the facts, it was heartwrenching nonetheless. The scope of the repressed truth is breathtaking and there is so few avenues to expose it because of the power of the Israel lobbies and Jewish-Americans who put pressure on to silence any discussion.
Yes, Jewish-Americans whose indoctrinated allegiance to Israel and tribe--even when the crimes are on the scope of Nazi Germany (and I mean that with complete sincerity--how can one witness the Palestinian refugee camps and not see the Ghettos?) and psychology of victimhood keeps them in denial. Or is it guilt? Why else would it be so pressing to keep a lid on this shame? Why do politicians pandering for the Jewish vote and money appeal to the most radical Zionism and why is it that when anyone tries to educate or reveal the facts Jews organize to apply pressure-with charges of antisemiticm or policing and marginalizing their own as "self-hating Jews".
If, as we are led to believe, the majority of American Jews oppose the invasion of Iraq and presumably the invasion of Iran, how can they at the same time support Israel, whose Likud Nazi government and NeoCon US representitives openly lobby for such action?

American Jews need to make a stand and oppose this unspeakable situation in Israel and it's influence on our foreign policy- otherwise they are the Good Germans standing idly by why these crimes are being committed in their name. If I was a Jew I would be screaming my bloody head off. We are silenced by the strong arm of your Zionist lobbies and SILENCE IS COMPLICITY.

Once again a majority or Dims show their true allegiance. It seems obvious to me that unless we all break with the Dims and unite behind an alternative we might as well stay home on selection day. Short of taking to the streets and shutting the country down via a national strike, building a progressive alternative and running candidates is our only realistic option. The revolution will not happen online.

KEM PATRICK

i know you joke around. so do i at times and you shouldn't take me literally all the time. however, i agree that this 'folly' is about as serious as it gets.

"Lost" B-52 nuke cruise missiles were on way to Middle East for attack on Iran

SPECIAL REPORT -- By Wayne Madsen
publication date: Sep 23, 2007

Labor Day weekend incident was a revolt by US Air Force and other US intelligence agencies against Bush-Cheney plans for pre-emptive nuclear and conventional strike on Iran.

WMR has learned from U.S. and foreign intelligence sources that the B-52 transporting six stealth AGM-129 Advanced Cruise Missiles, each armed with a W-80-1 nuclear warhead, on August 30, were destined for the Middle East via Barksdale Air Force Base in Louisiana.

However, elements of the Air Force, supported by U.S. intelligence agency personnel, successfully revealed the ultimate destination of the nuclear weapons and the mission was aborted due to internal opposition within the Air Force and U.S. Intelligence Community.

Yesterday, the Washington Post attempted to explain away the fact that America's nuclear command and control system broke down in an unprecedented manner by reporting that it was the result of "security failures at multiple levels." It is now apparent that the command and control breakdown, reported as a BENT SPEAR incident to the Secretary of Defense and White House, was not the result of a command and control chain-of-command "failures" but the result of a revolt and push back by various echelons within the Air Force and intelligence agencies against a planned U.S. attack on Iran using nuclear and conventional
weapons.

The Washington Post story on BENT SPEAR may have actually been an effort in damage control by the Bush administration. WMR has been informed by a knowledgeable source that one of the six nuclear-armed cruise missiles was, and may still be, unaccounted for. In that case, the nuclear reporting incident would have gone far beyond BENT SPEAR to a National Command Authority alert known as EMPTY QUIVER, with the special classification of PINNACLE.

Just as this report was being prepared, Newsweek reported that Vice President Dick Cheney's recently-departed Middle East adviser, David Wurmser, told a small group of advisers some months ago that Cheney had considered asking Israel to launch a missile attack on the Iranian nuclear site at Natanz. Cheney reasoned that after an Iranian retaliatory strike, the United States would have ample reasons to launch its own massive attack on Iran. However, plans for Israel to attack Iran directly were altered to an Israeli attack on a supposed Syrian-Iranian-North Korean nuclear installation in northern Syria.

WMR has learned that a U.S. attack on Iran using nuclear and conventional weapons was scheduled to coincide with Israel's September 6 air attack on a reputed Syrian nuclear facility in Dayr az-Zwar, near the village of Tal Abyad, in northern Syria, near the Turkish border. Israel's attack, code named OPERATION ORCHARD, was to provide a reason for the U.S. to strike Iran. The neo-conservative propaganda onslaught was to cite the cooperation of the George Bush's three remaining "Axis of Evil" states -- Syria, Iran, and North Korea -- to justify a sustained Israeli attack on Syria and a massive U.S. military attack on Iran.

WMR has learned from military sources on both sides of the Atlantic that there was a definite connection between Israel's OPERATION ORCHARD and BENT SPEAR involving the B-52 that flew the six nuclear-armed cruise missiles from Minot Air Force Base in North Dakota to Barksdale. There is also a connection between these two events as the Pentagon's highly-classified PROJECT CHECKMATE, a compartmented U.S. Air Force program that has been working on an attack plan for Iran since June 2007, around the same time that Cheney was working on the joint Israeli-U.S. attack scenario on Iran.

PROJECT CHECKMATE was leaked in an article by military analyst Eric Margolis in the Rupert Murdoch-owned newspaper, the Times of London, is a program that involves over two dozen Air Force officers and is headed by Brig. Gen. Lawrence Stutzriem and his chief civilian adviser, Dr. Lani Kass, a former Israeli military intelligence officer who, astoundingly, is now involved in planning a joint U.S.-Israeli massive military attack on Iran that involves a "decapitating" blow on Iran by hitting between three to four thousand targets in the country. Stutzriem and Kass report directly to the Air Force Chief of Staff, General Michael Moseley, who has also been charged with preparing a report on the B-52 nuclear weapons incident.

Kass' area of speciality is cyber-warfare, which includes ensuring "information blockades," such as that imposed by the Israeli government on the Israeli media regarding the Syrian air attack on the alleged Syrian "nuclear installation." British intelligence sources have reported that the Israeli attack on Syria was a "true flag" attack originally designed to foreshadow a U.S. attack on Iran. After the U.S. Air Force push back against transporting the six cruise nuclear-armed AGM-129s to the Middle East, Israel went ahead with its attack on Syria in order to help ratchet up tensions between Washington on one side and Damascus, Tehran, and Pyongyang on the other.

The other part of CHECKMATE's brief is to ensure that a media "perception management" is waged against Syria, Iran, and North Korea. This involves articles such as that which appeared with Joby Warrick's and Walter Pincus' bylines in yesterdays Washington Post. The article, titled "The Saga of a Bent Spear," quotes a number of seasoned Air Force nuclear weapons experts as saying that such an incident is unprecedented in the history of the Air Force. For example, Retired Air Force General Eugene Habiger, the former chief of the U.S. Strategic Command, said he has been in the "nuclear business" since 1966 and has never been aware of an incident "more disturbing."

Command and control breakdowns involving U.S. nuclear weapons are unprecedented, except for that fact that the U.S. military is now waging an internal war against neo-cons who are embedded in the U.S. government and military chain of command who are intent on using nuclear weapons in a pre-emptive war with Iran.

CHECKMATE and OPERATION ORCHARD would have provided the cover for a pre-emptive U.S. and Israeli attack on Iran had it not been for BENT SPEAR involving the B-52. In on the plan to launch a pre-emptive attack on Iran involving nuclear weapons were, according to our sources, Cheney, National Security Adviser Stephen Hadley; members of the CHECKMATE team at the Pentagon, who have close connections to Israeli intelligence and pro-Israeli think tanks in Washington, including the Hudson Institute; British Foreign Secretary David Miliband, a political adviser to Tony Blair prior to becoming a Member of Parliament; Israeli political leaders like Prime Minister Ehud Olmert and Likud leader Binyamin Netanyahu; and French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner, who did his part last week to ratchet up tensions with Iran by suggesting that war with Iran was a probability. Kouchner retracted his statement after the U.S. plans for Iran were delayed.

Although the Air Force tried to keep the B-52 nuclear incident from the media, anonymous Air Force personnel leaked the story to Military Times on September 5, the day before the Israelis attacked the alleged nuclear installation in Syria and the day planned for the simultaneous U.S. attack on Iran. The leaking of classified information on U.S. nuclear weapons disposition or movement to the media, is, itself, unprecedented. Air Force regulations require the sending of classified BEELINE reports to higher Air Force authorities on the disclosure of classified Air Force information to the media.

In another highly unusual move, Defense Secretary Robert Gates has asked an outside inquiry board to look into BENT SPEAR, even before the Air Force has completed its own investigation, a virtual vote of no confidence in the official investigation being conducted by Major General Douglas Raaberg, chief of air and space operations at the Air Combat Command.

Gates asked former Air Force Chief of Staff, retired General Larry Welch, to lead a Defense Science Board task force that will also look into the BENT SPEAR incident. The official Air Force investigation has reportedly been delayed for unknown reasons. Welch is President and CEO of the Institute for Defense Analysis (IDA), a federally-funded research contractor that operates three research centers, including one for Office of Science and Technology Policy in the Executive Office of the President and another for the National Security Agency. One of the board members of IDA is Dr. Suzanne H. Woolsey of the Paladin Capital Group and wife of former CIA director and arch-neocon James Woolsey.

WMR has learned that neither the upper echelons of the State Department nor the British Foreign Office were privy to OPERATION ORCHARD, although Hadley briefed President Bush on Israeli spy satellite intelligence that showed the Syrian installation was a joint nuclear facility built with North Korean and Iranian assistance. However, it is puzzling why Hadley would rely on Israeli imagery intelligence (IMINT) from its OFEK (Horizon) 7 satellite when considering that U.S. IMINT satellites have greater capabilities.

The Air Force's "information warfare" campaign against media reports on CHECKMATE and OPERATION ORCHARD also affected international reporting of the recent International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) resolution asking Israel to place its nuclear weapons program under IAEA controls, similar to those that the United States wants imposed on Iran and North Korea. The resolution also called for a nuclear-free zone throughout the Middle East. The IAEA's resolution, titled "Application of IAEA Safeguards in the Middle East," was passed by the 144-member IAEA General Meeting on September 20 by a vote of 53 to 2, with 47 abstentions. The only two countries to vote against were Israel and the United States. However, the story carried from the IAEA meeting in Vienna by Reuters, the Associated Press, and Agence France Press, was that it was Arab and Islamic nations that voted for the resolution.

This was yet more perception management carried out by CHECKMATE, the White House, and their allies in Europe and Israel with the connivance of the media. In fact, among the 53 nations that voted for the resolution were China, Russia, India, Ireland, and Japan. The 47 abstentions were described as votes "against" the resolution even though an abstention is neither a vote for nor against a measure. America's close allies, including Britain, France, Australia, Canada, and Georgia, all abstained.

Suspiciously, the IAEA carried only a brief item on the resolution concerning Israel's nuclear program and a roll call vote was not available either at the IAEA's web site -- www.iaea.org -- or in the media.

The perception management campaign by the neocon operational cells in the Bush administration, Israel and Europe was designed to keep a focus on Iran's nuclear program, not on Israel's. Any international examination of Israel's nuclear weapons program would likely bring up Israeli nuclear scientist Mordechai Vanunu, a covert from Judaism to Christianity, who was kidnapped in Rome by a Mossad "honey trap" named Cheryl Bentov (aka, Cindy) and a Mossad team in 1986 and held against his will in Israel ever since.

Vanunu's knowledge of the Israeli nuclear weapons program would focus on the country's own role in nuclear proliferation, including its program to share nuclear weapons technology with apartheid South Africa and Taiwan in the late 1970s and 1980s. The role of Ronald Reagan's Director of the Arms Control and Disarmament Agency Ken Adelman in Israeli's nuclear proliferation during the time frame 1983-1987 would also come under scrutiny. Adelman, a member of the Reagan-Bush transition State Department team from November 1980 to January 1981, voiced his understanding for the nuclear weapons programs of Israel, South Africa, and Taiwan in a June 28, 1981 New York Times article titled, "3 Nations Widening Nuclear Contacts." The journalist who wrote the article was Judith Miller. Adelman felt that the three countries wanted nuclear weapons because of their ostracism from the West, the third world, and the hostility from the Communist countries. Of course, today, the same argument can be used by Iran, North Korea, and other "Axis of Evil" nations so designated by the neocons in the Bush administration and other governments.

There are also news reports that suggest an intelligence relationship between Israel and North Korea. On July 21, 2004, New Zealand's Dominion Post reported that three Mossad agents were involved in espionage in New Zealand. Two of the Mossad agents, Uriel Kelman and Elisha Cara (aka Kra), were arrested and imprisoned by New Zealand police (an Israeli diplomat in Canberra, Amir Lati, was expelled by Australia and New Zealand intelligence identified a fourth Mossad agent involved in the New Zealand espionage operation in Singapore). The third Mossad agent in New Zealand, Zev William Barkan (aka Lev Bruckenstein), fled New Zealand -- for North Korea.

New Zealand Foreign Minister Phil Goff revealed that Barkan, a former Israeli Navy diver, had previously worked at the Israeli embassy in Vienna, which is also the headquarters of the IAEA. He was cited by the /Sydney Morning Herald/ as trafficking in passports stolen from foreign tourists in Thailand, Myanmar,
Laos, and Cambodia. New Zealand's One News reported that Barkan was in North Korea to help the nation build a wall to keep its citizens from leaving.

The nuclear brinkmanship involving the United States and Israel and the breakdown in America's command and control systems have every major capital around the world wondering about the Bush administration's true intentions.

NOTE: WMR understands the risks to informed individuals in reporting the events of August 29/30, to the present time, that concern the discord within the U.S. Air Force, U.S. intelligence agencies, and other military services. Any source with relevant information and who wishes to contact us anonymously may drop off sealed correspondence at or send mail via the Postal Service to: Wayne Madsen, c/o The Front Desk, National Press Club, 13th Floor, 529 14th St., NW, Washington, DC, 20045.

http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/articles/20070923

canuckchuck September 26th, 2007 6:59 pm
"Bush is going to surpass Hitler for the number of dead on his hands before the end of 2008."

Well not exactly, Hitler killed approx 11 million [mostly slavs gypsies etc] and approx 5 million Jews...

But what Bu$hco have done is stir up the enmity of approx 1.4 million Muslims worldwide. Alternatively, is creating more future terrorists than Bush can kill in this lifetime...

But the damage Bu$hCo is really perpetrating is a WAR AGAINST the ENVIRONMENT affecting ONE THIRD of the worlds population, mostly impoverished countries who can't defend themselves against the likes of despicable BU$H...

Conjunctively, Bu$h will easily surpass Hitler in the degree of villainy perpetrated....

libertas fugit September 26th, 2007 5:43 pm

"every day is like reading another chapter from "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich," but from the inside."

Absolutely CORRECT.....

Morning COCO. Suspicious? Actually I joke around a lot to keep from having a fit, I'm suspicious of almost all of our congress anymore.

Several years ago, I did suspect Bush was wrong several about many things. I don't suspect it anymore. The truth is, he is a puppet for Cheney and both of them are insane. That is not an attempt at humor, they are crazy and should be put away in a decent nut house, so they cannot ever harm anyone again.

Rice is an over-educated idiot who could charm a snake. Rumsfeld is a criminal, but is unaware of it because he is a horribly self centered man who resorts to sophism when debating an issue due to his inner insecurity. He may have been a badly abused child and never learned ot deal with his past. Bush did not have the intellect to select people of character for his cabinet and of course he diesn't have any character so he would not know if any had any or not.

When atomic weapons were first used, stringent safeguards were implimented to insure, that if by some rare chance we did have a president who went nuts, he could not by himself start a nuclear war. Of course the stringent safeguards are a damn joke, because we have a crazy president and he can do it. Hell, Kennedy and Kruschev almost did it and neither of them were insane. This Iran issue is far far more serious than the Iraq issue, which I'm sure the Iraqis may disagre with.
Keep your fngers crossed babe, it is not gonna be good for anyone.

What I see in my meditation.

The United States moves first toward starting an "openly acknowledged 3rd World War", then having to "endure at the same time a Civil War" instigated and started by a nation that was supposed to be one of its closest friends.

The result of finding this out will forces the United States into a confrontation with that country that will bring about a permanent rift and parting of ways, the downfall and subsequent extinction of that country.

Only after having endured the consequenses of what it has imposed upon others will it change its approach to "itself and the world".

Bottom line for me is that US/Israel war against Iran is unnessary, stupid and highly dangerous.

I might come acroos a stupid & naive person myself, whatever

I would like to launch a worldwide campaign were all people against war buy mini bells or medium size bells and ring them whereever they are to show how many people are against
the criminals in the White House and Congress.

Anyone who is interested should write me to my
home email address as follows:

fheydenreich@free.fr

I would like to underline that I am not part of any political party whatsoever or any other organisation.
However its time to act.

HELP ME GET THE CONCEPT TOGETHER AND WORK ON AN ACTION PLAN.

A couple of people have asked "Where are our monks?"--and nuns, you might ask also, since there are Buddhist nuns in the Burmese movement as well.

The fact is, in the United States we have very few monks, and far fewer nuns. There are, however, a good contingent of Buddhists who are socially engaged and active in the peace movement.

The Buddhist Peace Fellowhip was founded 30 years ago by men and women like the Vietnamese monk Thich Nhat Hanh, poet Gary Snyder, Joanne Macy and others who believe that Buddhism is more than a religion of meditative stillness--that it is, and must be, a beneficial social force as well.

The BPF right now of course is actively supporting the peace movement in Burma, and the current crisis there.

Peace, Tenzing (an American Buddhist monk)

In their attempts to expand the sole apartheid regime in the Middle East, vermin like Joe Leiberman and Feinstein will bring shame, poverty and destruction to our nation.

Hey Galen and Canuckchuck, I'm ready to go! This is turning into a nightmare for us down here! I'm ready to help make canada a viable world interest, I work hard. I got skills! I see good opportunity!

If these political aholes try to think of another way to insult the real american with their mediocrity ....Damn I'm out numbered...Well...I don't f$%@#%ing know. My F^*$#ing family landed hear in F%$@ing 1620 on the F&%$^Ing Mayflower and I cannot think of any f*$^^ing solidarity we have today worth a sh&^#$T today! WHAT ARE THEY DOING FOR US AT ALL!? These folks have to go. F^$#ing american pride. I'LL SHOW YOU AMERICAN PRIDE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WAR FOR SOME CORPORATION I DON"T CARE IF IT IS ISRAEL! What have they ever done for us? I don't mean to SCREAM! What about us folks at home? Huh? Cheneys a fag like his daughter and cant find a homo in Iran? Good reason to go to war. Dont politicians have clubs where they rape innocent victims knocked out on drugs? Whats the prob? Dyncorp not in Iran? You have to wait to get home, boys? You don't know what you look like any more, do you? Devil chants and all? You look sick you bureaucratic scum! Inhuman! I'd respect you all more if you admitted you are a walking public pissers! We will find a way. God will prevail! Your good Christian God will crush you, you liars and thieves of the poor and defenseless. You just wait. Your enemies have lined up to wait at the gate for ya'll.

This is not my country anymore. Time to learn french or spanish!

I have to vent. Its a nightmare to read these articles and then think about it. You have to sleep sometimes.

GALEN

your poem had me in tears. it's so sad what is happening to this world. so sad that just a handful really care about the other inhabitants and lifeforms. so sad we have become this destructive machine, killing ourselves and the ecology. and so sad that there is nothing we can do about it. someone asked 'where are our monks?'. yes, where are they? thankyou for the youtube animation. i really laughed at that, especially the eyes whirling around in their heads.............so even before breakfast i had a 'high' and a 'low'. i'm just numb now.

KEM PATRICK

good morning. you, suspicious???

Feinstein again generating profits for her husband - a major DOD supplier

Gravel rightfully shamed Hillary for voting in favor of this at tonight's debate, whilst applauding Biden and Dodd.

"Shame on you, Hillary!"

Then she gave her demonic, fabricated laugh for the camera, as though this wasn't to be taken seriously at all. The disingenuous political theater of it all.

And where were you, Obama?

You know, if the Democratic Party thinks they can play both sides and get away with it, think again.

People have awaken to the fact that there is little difference between the Democratic Party and Republican Party. They both march to the drums of the Corporate and Israeli lobby, and in fact both are defacto members of the Corporatic Party, or whatever name they go by.

If we are going to be a 1 party government, might as well make it official. Just tell the Democratic National Party of your intentions to concede the 2008 elections by not voting. If and when they start acting as a Democratic Party, you may reconsider. Until then, the Corporatic Party can be 100% Republican for all I care. Hillary Clinton is just George W. Bush with a brain who can speak english and does not leave the toilet seat up. She is NOT representing the Democratic Party in good faith.

Iraq is one thing, I fully understand the need to stay in some capacity now that we done broke it, but opening the door to another war in Iran makes Hillary and the other Democrats who voted Yea a party to another war of aggression, which last time I checked is a crime.

Paul Bramscher, regional instability is in the interests of at least some of those on the Israeli Right. Oded Yinon, an Israeli journalist who at one time worked in the Foreign Ministry had written up a plan for an Israeli Strategy in the 1980's that proposed breaking up the Arab states.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/pdf/The%20Zionist%20Plan%20for%20the%20Middle%20East.pdf

This may well be the neo-con and extreme right Zionists plan. I do not think it has the support of most people in Israel or most American Jews, but then again, Bush does not have the support of most Americans and see what he gets away with.

Christian Zionism is at it's core anti-semitic. They believe all Jews will be converted to Christianity, or otherwise be struck down by God when Christ returns. Before this happens, they are happy to work together with Israel to create the necessary condition as they understand them from the Bible for this to occur. You might call it a temporary pact, like the Hitler-Stalin pact, and that didn't last.

Bush's grandfathers involvement with the Nazi's was not uncommon. Many American corporations had links to the Nazi's. In fact, they were great admirers of Nazi Germany and in particular Mussolinis fascism. Their fear was communism, and at the time it was believed by some that this was a secular Jewish movement, hence the anti-semitism.

Some say Hitler was actually an accidental Zionist in the sense that while his goal was to ethnically cleanse the Jews from German territory, he would have gladly shipped them all elsewhere if anyone would take them. So neocons being Zionists is not really a flip flop, especially since Zionism is being used as a weapon against Islam to achieve the geostrategic goal of securing the oil to back our currency. Zionism and anti-semitism is not incompatable to the neo-con as it was not to the Nazi's.

Oh, and while we are at it, can we pay for this war in cash? For starters, let's institute taxes similar to those in the other World Wars. If that doesn't cover it, seize the estates of the idiots that advocate and/or voted for this war. Secondly, let's enlist the rich and/or neocons to fight these wars, they have opted out of the last couple wars, so they should be ready to go. Mount up members of Congress, you will lead the first waves of attacks.

It is time to call up the Republican Guard! All able body Republicans between the ages of 18 and 55 should report to their closest Army recruitment post for basic training AND deployment to the Iraqi and Iranian fronts...no exceptions! No deferments! If you vote for the war, then you fight it.

Lieberman is merely reprising his effort in July, when his grossly under-reported amendment insinuating that Iran was responsible for the murder of US soldiers passed 97-0.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article18301.htm

THAT was a sense of congress that could very easily be construed as a justification for war. The present amendment, contra Webb, is an entirely unreserved accusation and call to arms. Just try and find something missing or vague in it's decietfully formulated causus belli. That anyone on this planet can take Lieberman seriously when he's urges us not to misinterpret his stance speaks volumes about how lost the global media is countless dimensions of absurd rhetoric.

A shameful but predictable vote by the political pawns of the global corporate Empire which now runs this facade of "Vichy America"

whatfools--

I think it is time, indeed. I'm with you, secession all the way.

Krisinta40--

Always trying to to lighten the mood (and expose those vile Libertarians...).

When Arjuna surveyed the battle field at Kurukshetra, he despaired when he saw the army arrayed against him. but we all know how that turned out.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhagavad_Gita

If Lieberman really represents Israel first and foremost -- as it appears -- he seems to be hell-bent on implosion. One can't possibly imagine how an unmanageable regional instability is going to work to Israel's advantage. This sabre-rattling looks more like beating a hornet's nest.

In a weird sci-fi sense, one half-wonders if there aren't "false flag" Jews among the Bush neocons, trying to incite a new backlash of anti-semitism whether deliberately or no. And then the big scheme will be exposed. King George II would be not continuing the neocon/Zionist tradition, but returning to grandpappy Prescott's brand of fascism (pro-Hitler, anti-semitic). I've long pondered how the flip-flopped occurred. The Bush's simply work for whoever is the strongest economic power at the time? No principles whatsoever?

Lie-berman is NOT a (D). At least not that kind.

How in the world can supporters of Israel think that an even further expanded conflict in the region will benefit them???

Where are our monks?

"Lieberman said Webb was off-base on his interpretation of his proposal.

"Our colleague (Webb) has given the darkest possible interpretation … There is no intention of declaring war," Lieberman said."

Of course Webb gave the darkest possible interpretation. He's actually got an IQ greater than his shoe size. As for declaring war, we haven't done that formally since 1941. The last time around, Congress delegated its authority to Bush.

Like other commentators, I refuse to accept any blame for the disgraceful actions of my so-called "representatives" in Congress who not only ignore my many communications to them but also refuse to act in a principled and/or honest manner. Why do they need me to inform them of notorious facts and obvious policy choices? For example, much as I have long admired John Conyers (not one of my state's delegation), of late it has been deeply disappointing to hear him say that he will not utilize his discretionary powers as House Judiciary Committee Chairman to initiate an impeachment investigation against anyone, unless and until impeachment supporters deliver a minimum number of votes for impeachment. If Chairman Conyers is a "leader," why can't he lead? As Spike Lee might say, just do the right thing, man. But I don't mean to single out Conyers; he is simply an example of a "people's representative" that isn't really representing the expressed wishes of the people who elected him to office. Pelosi and Reid are worse examples of the same problem: politicians who say they oppose war, but will not use their power to stop it.

JudeoCorporate profits ...hmmm. Shall we blame this oil war on the Jews. What about Houston Oil? Didn't realize Bush, Cheney, Christian right fundamentalists,and Big Oil were Jews...Get real.

Are there any tennis courts available where the fifth estate can declare sovereignty over the others?

whatfools September 26th, 2007 9:08 pm

"I believe it is Joe Lieberman, I-Conn. and not D-Conn. But then the article is from FauxNews."

Lieberman's title for himself is the oxymoronic "Independent Democrat". He's inside and outside the Democratic Party, with one foot in the Democratic camp and one foot in the Independent camp. When it suits his purposes to be a Democrat, he's a Democrat. When it suits his purposes to be an Independent, he's an Independent.

Lieberman is pulling a Zell Miller. If he switched to the GOP, he would get a lot of attention for a couple of weeks, but after that he would be just another Republican. If he keeps his "Independent Democrat" designation, he can sell himself to the media as a "maverick" who is heroically bucking the "liberal orthodoxy" in his party and is being persecuted for it by those big meanie bloggers on the left.

I have a strong suspicion that Cheney/Bush/Rice, don't worry about World Opinion.

I believe it is Joe Lieberman, I-Conn. and not D-Conn. But then the article is from FauxNews. Nevertheless I shall hold those jingos that voted for this resolution or any further funding of Bush's oil war as personally responsible for the maiming and murder of thousands of American boys and also the countless hundereds of thousand innocent civilians martyred for JudeoCorporate profits.

Is it time to secede yet?

Shakker: Imagine world opinion after Bush bombs innocent women and children in Iran.

Boy, imagine how world opinion will change after the supremely credible US Senate votes to rebuke Iran!

These jackasses can't get rid of guys who weird off in the men's room or take obvious bribes from EVERY source including communists, fascists, and criminals, in their own ranks.

>>The House on Tuesday also passed a measure calling for greater economic sanctions against Iran. That bill, passed on a 397-16 vote, would block foreign investment in Iran, especially its energy sector, and would bar the president from waiving U.S. sanctions.

My Prime Minister (Canada) has been down there in the Excited States, UNO and such. My tv showed him in a q&a at the Council on Foreign Relations. He opined that electing Hamas and such was not really democratic, giving the majority sway over the minority; he also said Canada has a greater presence on the world stage, and referred to our troops in Afghanistan. I figured that we are becoming like you Americans: foreign policy=military. Our present government really supports your present government.

Over a hundred years ago there was a debate in Canada as to whether or not Canada should send troops to 'defend'the Brit Empire in the Boer conflict. (We were a part of the Brit Empire then, not what we are now.) One of our politicians, Henri Bourassa, argued against our participation. He argued that when we contribute to the wars of the empire, we do not increase liberty, we reduce it. We enable the centralization of power at the centre of the empire, to the detriment of the communities at the edges.
I thought Bourassa was right then, and I think that his argument still holds true today.
We in Canada have a very secretive and unjust secret service,especially since our politicians, like yours, took advantage of 9/11 to ram thru terrorist control laws.

I watch your talking heads shows; the same warmongers pre Afghanistan and pre Iraq are doing the circuit with the same racist and false accusations. It looks like your gvt will use yr military to attack the Iranian people. If it goes well for yr military, things will be bad for you.
But if things go badly for your military, it will be worse for you. your government is likely to take it out on all of you in USA. Sometimes it is hard to imagine the power that your government has until you feel it used on your community or on you. They have way more levers and weapons than even a majority of dissenters might have,some you haven't even thought of. And they have the power of law. We all want to be a part of a nation of law, not men, so it is difficult to dissent against a group that represents the law.