Is Ahmadinejad's appearance at Columbia now identified with the line the one "when he flatly suggested that there are 'no homosexuals in Iran'"?

What a shame. Is that realy what we learned listening to him? I tell you what I learned -- that the President of Iran is rational and very quick on his feet. He seems like an educated man on whom diplomacy would surely not be wasted.

He said something truly frightening about homosexuals that certainly would not be described as high brow anywhere in the world, but that was not the gist of his Columbia appearance.

Gee whiz, my first grader can do better than that. Not only can she point to a country on the world map, she can even pronounce it! What a dumbass.

(ih-DEE-it) (wore-CRI-mee-NAL)
Just so you can understand what one person thinks of you.

This is what happens when a retard is elected as a president.

"Power always thinks it has a great soul and vast views beyond the comprehension of the weak; and that it is doing God's service, when it is violating all His laws." - John Adams

With enough money invested, the real powers who rule us, could insure a three toed sloth or a donkey could be elected to the presidency.

Ah, the joys of living in KAKISTOCRACY among the KAKISTOICS. The Greeks (from the word "kakistos" which means the worst) long referred to KAKISTOCRACY as the final form of governance that results when the immune system of the body politic begins to decline -- and the worst of the worst were enabled to govern. Kakistoics emerge and rule by relishing the remains and vanadalizing the body from within. Now these are terms and ideas that George -- our current version of a "kakistoic" could never pronounce or even understand. If anything, his governance is a telling of where we are in our collective journey.

Yup! Hekuva job, Georgie!

Jeffery Courion,

Thanks for the "kakistocracy" lesson, very interesting.

"Is Ahmadinejad's appearance at Columbia now identified with the line the one "when he flatly suggested that there are 'no homosexuals in Iran'"?"

Yes, with this line Ahmadinejad gave Americans what they need: something trivial to focus on while remaining in deep denial.

Here's a much better report on Ahmadinejad's presentation at Columbia:

http://www.opednews.com/maxwrite/link.php?id=42649

Can someone tell me if the Iranian delegation stayed in their seats during the chimperor's speech? I heard the US delegation walked out during Ahmedinejad's speech, and wondered if both nations, or just ours, deserves a trip to the woodshed for breach of decorum.

"The larger the mob, the harder the test. In small areas, before small electorates, a first-rate man occasionally fights his way through, carrying even the mob with him by force of his personality. But when the field is nationwide, and the fight must be waged chiefly at second and third hand, and the force of personality cannot so readily make itself felt, then all the odds are on the man who is, intrinsically, the most devious and mediocre — the man who can most easily adeptly disperse the notion that his mind is a virtual vacuum.

"The Presidency tends, year by year, to go to such men. As democracy is perfected, the office represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron."

H. L. Mencken on elections
Baltimore Evening Sun, 26 July 1920

I rest my case.

I still say - there's a damn good reason back during the Joseph Wilson/yellowcake controversy they didn't let him say the country of origin.

Imagine how Bush would mangle the name "Niger", after all.

From Reagan the Meager to Bush the First & Bush the Worst, what we have here in the United States is a kakistocratic govorporation. From the nihilist point of view, all must get much worse until destruction is imminent, and from the ashes something will arise; we know not what it will be.

Who's pulling his strings?

When the govorporations have been dismantled, then perhaps a sustainable society will emerge.

That is an interesting qoute, libertas fugit. I wonder how you came across it. But that's not important. What's important is that we get what we deserve.I do have to mention this though, even if it's a weak defense of the people. But I would guess that over the years, our educational system - in most school disticts - is designed by the government to produce a mass of people who have lost the ability or imagination to think critically. The brightest among us are, for the most part, snatched up by some government agency, and used. Some of the brightest of all are permitted the luxury of leading a life of contemplation in their field of study.
I will also add that the media works along side academia, to create a consumer society as well as a society that values personalities and fads or temporary "news" in their world filled with people who are of no real signifigance. The news media does its part to add to this way of seeing the world. Just look at the amount of time dedicated to someone like Ms. Spears compared to issues of say, genocide. The people who truly run this world we live in are most certainly not morons. They know very well what they are doing and are patient enough to wait for years to get what they want. Just look at The Project for a New American Century and its goals stated 10 years ago. They have achieved virtually every goal they had set out for themselves.
It's also not the public's fault, as happened in last November's elections, that we have been betrayed by our elected representatives. We have no control over an elected official's actions once in office. We tried and our elected leaders failed us.
But we certainly do have a moron as president of this planet's most powerful nation in more ways than just militarily.

In the 1770's this nation, with a miniscule population, produced Jefferson, Washington, The Adams', Franklin, Hamilton, Jay, Madison, etc.
Today, with a population of over 300 million, we have G.W.Bush.
That comparison alone proves Darwin was Wrong!

Hey KEM PATRICK....

A three toed sloth!!!!... Well now I've heard everything...
What about a one armed brick-layer in Baghdad?
My personal opinion is Bu$h couldn't run a piss-up in a Brewery....

Im-PEECH-ment

Hey,

Maybe now Bush and Ahmadinejad can use their shared homophobia to bond and forge a new chest beating world order together.

Of course, once they finish with gay-bashing, what will they have to talk about? They could continue with an intellectual discussion of all the weighty books Bush read off his summer reading list.

Interesting issue about Homophobia, Bush and Ahmadinejad are with highly esteemed company.... Hitler and his Henchmen did some Gay Bashing of their own...THEY GASSED THEM

Himmler's Speech to the SS Group Commanders, February 18, 1937 [Excerpt]

"..In the SS, today, we still have about one case of homosexuality a month. In a whole year, about eight to ten cases occur in the entire SS. I have now decided upon the following: in each case, these people will naturally be publicly degraded, expelled, and handed over to the courts. Following completion of the punishment imposed by the court, they will be sent, by my order, to a concentration camp, and they will be shot in the concentration camp, while attempting to escape. I will make that known by order to the unit to which the person so infected belonged. Thereby, I hope finally to have done with persons of this type in the SS, and the increasingly healthy blood which we are cultivating for Germany, will be kept pure."

Better to stumble through a few 'foriegn' words than to totally eliminate a person of high regard around the world by pronouncing him dead by the hand of Hussien, not only Mendella, but all of the Mendella, dead and gone, as if it were a tribe somewhere inside of Iraq. Someone should have slipped him a posty note....Chuckles could be heard around the world....

Did Nancy Pelosi criticize the Cubans for walking out yet?

At the 2006 General assembly Pelosi missed a golden opportunity to link Chavez' growing popularity to Dubya's failed foreign policy. Instead she called Chavez a "thug" after he made the devil comments about Bush.

Hopefully Pelosi has learned to remain silent these days.

"We found the WMDs." It truly is awesome how much such a hollow, wimpy peanut brain is allowed to get away with at our expense. Do we all really, secretly enjoy watching the perpetual head-on, 120mph collision of brainless, ruthless and conscienceless as if it were the ultimate in doomsday reality shows?

On a side note, 400 or so protesters at the UN for the Loonitary Decider's speech. Wow - we progressives sure are showing them who's boss, ain't we?

hybridoma2001 September 26th, 2007 2:08 pm
"But I would guess that over the years, our educational system - in most school districts - is designed by the government to produce a mass of people who have lost the ability or imagination to think critically. The brightest among us are, for the most part, snatched up by some government agency, and used. Some of the brightest of all are permitted the luxury of leading a life of contemplation in their field of study."

When I was a little kid, I found a box of my Grandmother's books in the attic. One of them was Professor Breasted's Ancient Times - A History of the Early World. The book was copyrighted in 1916. It is a high school textbook of 742 pages. It is the first book I read that gave me my love of history and philosophy. Some sixty odd years later, I've started rereading it. Nostalgia, I guess. I don't think there are many college texts today that are as well written and as thorough as this book is. I also doubt that there are many college students that could comprehend it, let alone high school students, yet it was just an average textbook of its time. It is very clear and concise, with questions at the end of each chapter, to see if you have absorbed the material.

I look at some of the texts today, written for high school students, with a fourth grade vocabulary and nothing in them to stimulate thought and it makes me wonder just where we are going. (just a rhetorical question)

Bush said something to the effect that "We are training our children today for the jobs of tomorrow." Unfortunately, I believe him. They will all know how to say, "Would you like fries with that?" I watched a young girl burst into tears, trying to make change for a small purchase. She finally called the manager. So sad.

In a statement, the Cuban government last night said its boycott was a "sign of profound rejection of the arrogant and mediocre statement" delivered by the American President. "Bush is responsible for the murder of over 600,000 civilians in Iraq… He is a criminal and has no moral authority or credibility to judge any other country." It concluded: "Cuba condemns and rejects every letter of his infamous tirade."

Good for the Cubans. They're absolutely correct! And from American politicians and diplomats and media - pretty much absolute silence.

As Edmund Burke offered:

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."

KEM PATRICK

the three toed sloth is on the brink of extinction. you'll have to have the donkey...........

Isn't lame that, in large part thanks to the US, the UN has degenerated into a forum for people to just complain about how all the other countries are worse than them.

This is so childish. We need to figure out how we're going to survive the next century and our leaders are just calling each other names.

Libertas Fugit: Helpful, interesting postings.
(Your Grandmother must have been a cool, perhaps ahead of her times (?) woman.)

hybridoma2001 September 26th, 2007 2:08 pm
"But I would guess that over the years, our educational system - in most school districts - is designed by the government to produce a mass of people who have lost the ability or imagination to think critically. The brightest among us are, for the most part, snatched up by some government agency, and used. Some of the brightest of all are permitted the luxury of leading a life of contemplation in their field of study."

I am old enough to have studied the US Consstitution and the makeup of the US government with Executive, Legislative and Judicial branches and what their duties and obligations were. Unfortunately, today High School students are taught "Social Studies" whatever the hell that is. They can't find a country on a map, make change at McDonald's or have an original thought.
It is our collective responsibility to force our schools to teach what these kids will need to survive in a rational, thinking world.
The rightwingnuts have co-opted the schools.
The younger of you need to run for the local School Boards. I am way past my prime and have been an activist for over 40 years.

Darfur is now Daffer according to the Chimp. George Bush is hilarious to watch as he tries to speak and convince people of his lies. His gestures, winking, and squeezing his eyebrow send me into hysterics. Then he tries to pretend he's a godly man at the end by saying "God Bless."

Poor Condi looks so concerned while her "husban..." ooops, I mean boss is speaking, then she immediately jumps up as soon as he's through and loyally rushes to his side and leaves with him without showing some manners and listening to other speakers. It's too funny.

Condi looks like she has quite a time walking around in those 3 or 4 inch high heels. She looked like she was going to fall down the stairs as she was getting off the plane the other day. What's her real height without the high heels she always wears? Which reminds me, what's the Chimp's height without shoe lifts?

She was a neat lady. I barely remember her. She died when I was around four or five.

perceptionexperiment said, "Isn't lame that, in large part thanks to the US, the UN has degenerated into a forum for people to just complain about how all the other countries are worse than them."

The original idea of the UN was to renew the League of Nations, but with the power to act. The UN Charter lays out a very good pattern for civilization to live and prosper by. The main problem was the "Big Five."

The US, Britain, France, Russia and Nationalist China, the "winners" of WW-II wanted veto power over UN decisions. They didn't want a chance that world opinion could override their concerns. As a result, especially as the cold war built up, anything the UN wanted to accomplish that the US was in favor of was vetoed by the CCCP. Anything that Russia backed was vetoed by us. The result was a near emasculation of the UN, because everything done was run by the Security council, then vetoed by one side or the other.

To accomplish anything at all, a juggling act was required that had little to do with what the world needed, but was to placate the big powers. UN Peacekeeping used to mean something, with the international troops in their blue and white helmets and vehicles putting a wall between disputants while negotiations went on at the UN.

By rights, if the UN still had the power and influence it had in the early years, there would be UN peacekeepers between the Israeli and Palestinian lines and the bloodshed would be stopped. The UN would send in peacekeepers to stop the mess in Iraq.

Unfortunately, with only one superpower terrorist state left, the UN is derided and the US will do what it damn well pleases, with no international checks and balances whatsoever.

What could, conceivably, work even now, would be for the UN and the entire world community to declare the US a pariah. No trade, no food, no negotiations, no nothing. US becomes an un-nation, until it decides to rejoin the community of civilized nations. It would really be interesting to see the world put Cheney/BushCo into Coventry. Nobody talks to them, listens to them, or trades with them.

I suggested this to the Secretary General quite a few years ago when terrorism first became a recognized issue. Nobody deals with a nation that supports terrorism until that nation renounced it. I was referred back to my own country, which was then and still is, one of the greatest exporters of terror in the world. Ah well, I tried.

It is just me. I took it as a joke.
Like Chavez and the smell of lingering sulfur.

"We don't have homosexuals in Iran, LIKE YOU HAVE HERE."

1- the man is in New York. NEW YORK. He must look out his window. Of course Iran has homosexuals and their sexual activities are criminal and religious, no no's. Iran's gay community is under ground.

2- In the 1940's and before, 50's 60's and probably most of the 70ties, we didn't have homosexuals either. They were underground.

3- If the religious Christian Reverends had their total way with the laws in this country we wouldn't have homosexuals either.

Presuming world leaders are as aware of the effects of DU as we in this forum are (thank you KEM), can they really sit this one (war of aggression potentially orchestrated against Iran) on the proverbial side-lines? Perhaps the idea for rendering our nation a pariah status would be something other nations might consider having watched as the president of Iran brought his olive branch to the U.S, made a clear case for compromise and legitimacy, and still the insane warriors who already proved their lack of reason, measure, justice and competence in the Iraqi debacle, demand permission to conduct yet more carnage. I hope enlightened world leaders recognize the degree to which our citizenry has been railroaded by false info or lack of bona fide representation; and that it is NOT the will of the majority of US citizens to conduct policies of outright aggression, or war, the supreme crime against humanity.

libertas fugit

Interesting memories. My neighbor had a set of The Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire that I discovered at the right moment. Difficult for a 5th Grader to pass up a set of books that starts with a Wolf suckling abandoned twin boys. What imagery!

For my son, it was a copy of Homer's Odyssey, translated and autographed by the grandfather of a friend.

Don't like what the schools are doing? feeling too old and uninvolved to make a difference? Give the neighbor kids all books for the holidays. Then talk about the books with their parents and the kids. if even one actually learns to read, you will have passed on a gift for a lifetime.

It helps if you don't mind being considered a bit nuts. By the time they are young adolescents I introduce them to Edward Abbey and Robert Heinlein's JOB. The ones who actually read them are well on their way to questioning authority, which should be 2nd nature in a Democracy

Thanks xntrk. You're a person after my own heart. We do that here, trying to keep something alive.

It may all be moot, though. I just read that the Senate passed Leiberman-Kye's "use any force against Iran" amendment 76-22.

Ein Fuehrer, ein volk, ein vaterland! US uber alles und Seig Heil! Gott mitt uns!

Christ, here we go again.

LIBERTAS FUGIT: I am working on BEING "that" Grandmother to my new Grandson, Phoenix. I have a HUGE library of rare metaphysical books... given my belief in reincarnation, I presume I witnessed the burning of the Library at Alexandria, and made it an "unconscious mission" to preserve those texts I could! But who can compete with the Vatican when it comes to occult literature! There's the rub...

Siouxrose: Good on you. Try to keep it from the book burners. Did you ever read A Canticle for Liebowitz? It was a Sci Fi story, post nuclear apocalypse, where a monastic order is trying to preserve what is left through the new dark age.

We've got to try to preserve what knowledge and wisdom we can, in hopes that someday people will begin to care again. (wish I could sit and browse your library)

kittyladyoregon September 26th, 2007 4:53 pm

"It is our collective responsibility to force our schools to teach what these kids will need to survive in a rational, thinking world. The rightwingnuts have co-opted the schools."

Kitty:

When you and I were in grade school, the preamble to the Constitution was given a page of its own at the beginning of our history books. You won't find it there today because our politicians have been bought by the powers who don't want a "perfect union" or an "establishment of Justice" for the people. The majority of our politicians have been the major benefactors of an unconstitional, corporate-controlled government who want to keep it that way!

PREAMBLE:

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

For those who haven't had time to do their homework, check out this website when you have time:

http://www.bordc.org/threats/democ-bor.php

COCO, we have one, also known as a jackass.

americans are myopic and unilingual, por favor and maria come here, not withstanding, they speak english only and very poorly at that.

if all that can be said of ahmadinejad is that he misspoke on gays then i would say he had a pretty good week, given all the baggage he is carrying.

and to be fair - he said - there are no gays in iran "like you have here", meaning i guess, in the outward way and the open way that gays live in some parts of the us.

his comment was very much a language based syntax - he did not interpret himself well.

which is not to say that there was anything intelligent in the comment but how desperate is the controlled media to denigrate the man that they have to take one, sidebar as it was, comment and blow it out of proportion, as they did.

the entire demagoguery of ahmadinejad is hateful fantasy. he is a minor official in his country, where they are stupefied about all the commotion around him.

they don't get it.

and then to build the case for war on these kinds of hard feelings lets everyone know how base and ignorant politics are in the us.

it is the kind of hate that used to be the sole domain of the fundamentalist christian preachers.

worse, bush can't even use that effectively.

americans should not be too hypocritical on this topic anyway as there is a lot of anti-gay hatred here in the us.

especially among the clergy who either are anti phobic or closet gays themselves, or worse, child molesters.

there are many issues of great concern in iran, ahmadinejad misspeaking is not one of them, yet it dominates the news.

ahmadinejad outfoxed and out maneuvered bush all week and proved himself much more eloquent than bush who should henceforth be known as "the guy who is dumber than ahmadinejad".

then we should force him to learn how to pronounce ahmadinejad properly.

a little water boarding might be helpful there.

Hey COCO, I was just readng "The Ocean World", by Jacques Costeau. Think we'll discard the three toed sloth and jackass idea. Found out that starfish don't have a brain and snapping turtles breath through their butts. So should it be Starfish Bush, or Turtle Bush? ____ And I worry about bad breath, Gheeze.

We have a new DU bomb BTW, holds tons of DU and is named Big-Blu. ____ Now that's what I'm talking about. KA-BOOM! If you're gonna poison some land forever, ___ do it BIG-TIME.

Why do I wake up pissed off every day lately? Siouxrose, __ I need professional help.

Let us use Bushisms to analyze a few statements:

1. There are no homosexuals in Iran. Does this mean (a la Bush) that there are only PEOPLE in Iran, just as there are only PEOPLE in every other country except Bushistan?

Please, please, somebody flush him down whatever drain he so richly deserves.

Methinks the 'INDEPENDENT' and the 'GUARDIAN' in the UK are the two best newspapers in the world.

I love the wit of the CD posters, especially on this article. After watching the fourth episode of Ken Burns, 'WAR', I' needed a little laughter and you gals and guys made my night. I love you all! Forgive me for not complimenting everyone but it's getting late and I'll select a few.

PERE UBU: Very funny!

SIMONHHH: Glad you posted that information about HH's SS. The 'party faithful' hated everyone, and were the biggest bunch of hypocrites the world had ever seen. Worse than the 'Christian fundamentalists', who really know very little about the Messiah's Teachings.

SIOUXROSE: Congratulations on the bambino, and may he learn well, the Wisdom of the Ages from Grandma.

You probably were at Alexandria, watching the evil (the black magician) Pope Gregory's priestcraft stealing some of the ancient texts of the 'Lessor and Higher Mysteries' of cosmic law and burning other books to keep the masses in ignorance and subjugate them for the next 1800 years. But, as 'Dylan' sang, "the times, they are a' changin'".

The President, the Congress, and the military work for WE THE PEOPLE, CITIZENS OF THESE UNITED STATES, and not the other way around.

Pleasant dreams, Common Dreamers. AUM.......

I second what peaceman just said,

You guys are funnier than HBO's Bill Maher sometimes!

Love it. Thanks for the laughs.

pac

To All Those Who Compare Hitler with our Prez:

Hitler was a master orator who brought public to their feet every time he spoke; this other guy can't even speak his mother tongue, can't read his speech writer's notes, and can't even fire up his hand-picked audience.

Hitler was a real Decider; this other guy is a front man and an obedient servant to corporations and AIPAC.

Hitler initially attacked military targets; this other guy first attacks civilians and their infrastructure.

Hitler tangled with strong powers of his time; this other guy picks on weak prey.

We can't say if Hitler would've used nukes if he had them; but this other guy's buddies used them on civilians.

Hitler had a plan; this other guy doesn't know what the hell he wants to do.

Hitler, like aa man, committed suicide as he should; this other guy blames anyone or nation for his failures.

Hitler did not lie to his people; this other guy, well you be the judge.

I don't know much about history, so you can add your own.

Hitler was in a class by himself. Unfortunantly he was born.

Once World War Two began, Hitler was one of our best weapons. He was a solipsist, whose major military decisions resulted in his defeat.

Bush is crazy and we cannot accurately predict how his term will end. So be prepared for the worst and hope for the best. Hope is only a nice four letter word when one is falling off of a high cliff into a cesspool.

You know we have been making jokes about Bush his whole presidency. Yet look at the power he has accumulated. It seems we are the joke letting him and his kind get away with it.

Here is a joke for you. The NRA always uses this business about the right to maintain a militia in case to protect use from a tyranical government which might seize power.
Well, where is that militia? Oh that is right they all voted for Bush and his crowd. Proudly put down any of Bush's compitition.
You can still see the Bush/Cheney Bumper sticks on the back of many of their pick-ups.

So where are they? Sitting in a corner somewhere dreaming about some kill Bambi expedition.
Sorry about that Our Forfathers..You see our NRA'ers never read the rest of The Constitution. They think everything else is just hunky doorey.

As for the rest of us "We Don't Even Have That Excuse" We just sit back and crack wisbangers about how Bush mangles his speech.

Oh yes we come to places like this to look like we are doing something. Meanwhile there are soldiers dying in this Bush Handlers made up war giving us the rights to keep doing what we are doing.

Like I stated before we only had a real America for 2 short decades 1960-1980
Then we just went back to being kept devided by the few powers that be.

Have you put up your Chinese made American Flag up today yet.
I cannot wait to use up my only real rite To Just Die? and for all you patriot snitches that is me dying of natural causes ,but feel free to report me anyway and get a pat on the head.
And yes look at me and how I mamgle the English Language not to mention its Grammer.
SO HAVE A LAUGH ON ME

HEY KEM PATRICK

Why do I wake up pissed off every day lately?
I needed professional help.... So I'm booked in each weekend for Psychiatric Detention for stress and Common Dreams War Fatigue...Ha Ha Ha

PS I finally read the end of a thread posted several days ago... The feelings of admiration are mutual..,