Turning Ahmadinejad Into Public Enemy No. 1
Demonizing the Iranian president and making his visit to New York seem controversial is all part of the neoconservative push for yet another war.
Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's visit to New York to address the United Nations General Assembly has become a media circus. But the controversy does not stem from the reasons usually cited.
The media has focused on debating whether he should be allowed to speak at Columbia University on Monday, or whether his request to visit Ground Zero, the site of the Sept. 11 attack in lower Manhattan, should have been honored. His request was rejected, even though Iran expressed sympathy with the United States in the aftermath of those attacks and Iranians held candlelight vigils for the victims. Iran felt that it and other Shiite populations had also suffered at the hands of al-Qaida, and that there might now be an opportunity for a new opening to the United States.
Instead, the U.S. State Department denounced Ahmadinejad as himself little more than a terrorist. Critics have also cited his statements about the Holocaust or his hopes that the Israeli state will collapse. He has been depicted as a Hitler figure intent on killing Israeli Jews, even though he is not commander in chief of the Iranian armed forces, has never invaded any other country, denies he is an anti-Semite, has never called for any Israeli civilians to be killed, and allows Iran's 20,000 Jews to have representation in Parliament.
There is, in fact, remarkably little substance to the debates now raging in the United States about Ahmadinejad. His quirky personality, penchant for outrageous one-liners, and combative populism are hardly serious concerns for foreign policy. Taking potshots at a bantam cock of a populist like Ahmadinejad is actually a way of expressing another, deeper anxiety: fear of Iran's rising position as a regional power and its challenge to the American and Israeli status quo. The real reason his visit is controversial is that the American right has decided the United States needs to go to war against Iran. Ahmadinejad is therefore being configured as an enemy head of state.
The neoconservatives are even claiming that the United States has been at war with Iran since 1979. As Glenn Greenwald points out, this assertion is absurd. In the '80s, the Reagan administration sold substantial numbers of arms to Iran. Some of those beating the war drums most loudly now, like think-tank rat Michael Ledeen, were middlemen in the Reagan administration's unconstitutional weapons sales to Tehran. The sales would have been a form of treason if in fact the United States had been at war with Iran at that time, so Ledeen is apparently accusing himself of treason.
But the right has decided it is at war with Iran, so a routine visit by Iran's ceremonial president to the U.N. General Assembly has generated sparks. The foremost cheerleader for such a view in Congress is Sen. Joseph Lieberman, I-Conn., who recently pressed Gen. David Petraeus on the desirability of bombing Iran in order to forestall weapons smuggling into Iraq from that country (thus cleverly using one war of choice to foment another).
American hawks are beating the war drums loudly because they are increasingly frustrated with the course of events. They are unsatisfied with the lack of enthusiasm among the Europeans and at the United Nations for impeding Tehran's nuclear energy research program. While the Bush administration insists that the program aims at producing a bomb, the Iranian state maintains that it is for peaceful energy purposes. Washington wants tighter sanctions on Iran at the United Nations but is unlikely to get them in the short term because of Russian and Chinese reluctance. The Bush administration may attempt to create a "coalition of the willing" of Iran boycotters outside the U.N. framework.
Washington is also unhappy with Mohammad ElBaradei, head of the International Atomic Energy Agency. He has been unable to find credible evidence that Iran has a weapons program, and he told Italian television this week, "Iran does not constitute a certain and immediate threat for the international community." He stressed that no evidence had been found for underground production sites or hidden radioactive substances, and he urged a three-month waiting period before the U.N. Security Council drew negative conclusions.
ElBaradei intervened to call for calm after French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner said last week that if the negotiations over Iran's nuclear research program were unsuccessful, it could lead to war. Kouchner later clarified that he was not calling for an attack on Iran, but his remarks appear to have been taken seriously in Tehran.
Kouchner made the remarks after there had already been substantial speculation in the U.S. press that impatient hawks around U.S. Vice President Dick Cheney were seeking a pretext for a U.S. attack on Iran. Steven Clemons of the New America Foundation probably correctly concluded in Salon last week that President Bush himself has for now decided against launching a war on Iran. But Clemons worries that Cheney and the neoconservatives, with their Israeli allies, are perfectly capable of setting up a provocation that would lead willy-nilly to war.
David Wurmser, until recently a key Cheney advisor on Middle East affairs and the coauthor of the infamous 1996 white paper that urged an Iraq war, revealed to his circle that Cheney had contemplated having Israel strike at Iranian nuclear research facilities and then using the Iranian reaction as a pretext for a U.S. war on that country. Prominent and well-connected Afghanistan specialist Barnett Rubin also revealed that he was told by an administration insider that there would be an "Iran war rollout" by the Cheneyites this fall.
It should also be stressed that some elements in the U.S. officer corps and the Defense Intelligence Agency are clearly spoiling for a fight with Iran because the Iranian-supported Shiite nationalists in Iraq are a major obstacle to U.S. dominance in Iraq. Although very few U.S. troops in Iraq are killed by Shiites, military spokesmen have been attempting to give the impression that Tehran is ordering hits on U.S. troops, a clear casus belli. Disinformation campaigns that accuse Iran of trying to destabilize the Shiite-dominated Iraqi government -- a government Iran actually supports -- could lay the groundwork for a war. Likewise, with the U.S. military now beginning patrols on the Iran-Iraq border, the possibility is enhanced of a hostile incident spinning out of control.
The Iranians have responded to all this bellicosity with some chest-thumping of their own, right up to the final hours before Ahmadinejad's American visit. The Iranian government declared "National Defense Week" on Saturday, kicking it off with a big military parade that showed off Iran's new Qadr-1 missiles, with a range of 1,100 miles. Before he left Iran for New York on Sunday morning, Ahmadinejad inspected three types of Iranian-manufactured jet fighters, noting that it was the anniversary of Iraq's invasion of Iran in 1980 (which the Iranian press attributed to American urging, though that is unlikely).
The display of this military equipment was accompanied by a raft of assurances on the part of the Iranian ayatollahs, politicians and generals that they were entirely prepared to deploy the missiles and planes if they were attacked. A top military advisor to Supreme Jurisprudent Ali Khamenei told the Mehr News Agency on Saturday, "Today, the United States must know that their 200,000 soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan are within the reach of Iran's fire. When the Americans were beyond our shores, they were not within our reach, but today it is very easy for us to deal them blows." Khamenei, the actual commander in chief of the armed forces, weighed in as well, reiterating that Iran would never attack first but pledging: "Those who make threats should know that attack on Iran in the form of hit and run will not be possible, and if any country invades Iran it will face its very serious consequences."
The threat to target U.S. troops in Iraq and Afghanistan and the unveiling of the Qadr-1 were not aggressive in intent, but designed to make the point that Iran could also play by Richard M. Nixon's "madman" strategy, whereby you act so wildly as to convince your enemy you are capable of anything. Ordinarily a poor non-nuclear third-world country might be expected to be supine before an attack by a superpower. But as Mohammad Reza Bahonar, the Iranian deputy speaker of Parliament, warned: "Any military attack against Iran will send the region up in flames."
In the end, this is hardly the kind of conflagration the United States should be enabling. If a spark catches, it will not advance any of America's four interests in the Middle East: petroleum, markets, Israel and hegemony.
The Middle East has two-thirds of the world's proven petroleum reserves and nearly half its natural gas, and its fields are much deeper than elsewhere in the world, so that its importance will grow for the United States and its allies. Petro-dollars and other wealth make the region an important market for U.S. industry, especially the arms industry. Israel is important both for reasons of domestic politics and because it is a proxy for U.S. power in the region. By "hegemony," I mean the desire of Washington to dominate political and economic outcomes in the region and to forestall rivals such as China from making it their sphere of influence.
The Iranian government (in which Ahmadinejad has a weak role, analogous to that of U.S. vice presidents before Dick Cheney) poses a challenge to the U.S. program in the Middle East. Iran is, unlike most Middle Eastern countries, large. It is geographically four times the size of France, and it has a population of 70 million (more than France or the United Kingdom). As an oil state, it has done very well from the high petroleum prices of recent years. It has been negotiating long-term energy deals with China and India, much to the dismay of Washington. It provides financial support to the Palestinians and to the Lebanese Shiites who vote for the Hezbollah Party in Lebanon. By overthrowing the Afghanistan and Iraq governments and throwing both countries into chaos, the United States has inadvertently enabled Iran to emerge as a potential regional power, which could challenge Israel and Saudi Arabia and project both soft and hard power in the strategic Persian Gulf and the Levant.
And now the American war party, undeterred by the quagmire in Iraq, convinced that their model of New Empire is working, is eager to go on the offensive again. They may yet find a pretext to plunge the United States into another war. Ahmadinejad's visit to New York this year will not include his visit to Ground Zero, because that is hallowed ground for American patriotism and he is being depicted as not just a critic of the United States but as the leader of an enemy state. His visit may, however, be ground zero for the next big military struggle of the United States in the Middle East, one that really will make Iraq look like a cakewalk.
Juan Cole teaches Middle Eastern and South Asian history at the University of Michigan. His most recent book Napoleon's Egypt: Invading the Middle East (New York: Palgrave Macmillan, 2007) has just been published. He has appeared widely on television, radio and on op-ed pages as a commentator on Middle East affairs, and has a regular column at Salon.com. He has written, edited, or translated 14 books and has authored 60 journal articles. His weblog on the contemporary Middle East is Informed Comment.
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Show AllJuan Cole is a brillian't analyst of Middle East affairs. The fact that the Israel lobby prevented his being appointed to a position at Yale University is a clear indication of it's congenital myopia.
George W. Bush is a sniveling, chicken-hearted, blustering wastrel of a man who wouldn't get within 1000 miles of Iran without a contingent of 5000 Blackwater mercs or US marines to protect his sorry ass. I think Ahmadinejad showed extreme courage coming to the USA at all, considering how many brain-dead Americans hate him simply because sombody on TV tells them that they should. He is to be commended on his attempts to open the channels of communication, a diplomatic skill which is unfortunately not present in anyone representing our government.
The visit of Doctor Ahmadinejad to New York City was very brave on his part. Whether one agrees or disagrees with his viewpoints, he is a DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED official and should be recognized as such. By no means is he a dictator Americans, and to compare him to Adolf Hitler is disingenuous - which I know that news organizations have done. Your notion that their is no freedom of Religion in Iran is patently false. I know that there is accusations in the USA that Iran in general and Doctor Ahmadinejad in particular commits genocide inside Iran against Jewish people for practicing Judaism. This accusation is groundless.
The idea that Iran wants to launch nukes at Israel - that turned out to be a mistranslation and perhaps Ahmadinejad is tired of saying over and over again that the intention of Iran having nuclear energy is not for building weapons. Perhaps Americans should learn his language in order to clear up any discrepancies rather than believe the propaganda of idiots! He may feel annoyed that he is not believed - I know I would be. I repeat the valid question that Doctor Ahmadinejad made in regards to nuclear energy - if other countries are allowed to have nuclear energy, why not us? That is a very fair question to ask, much to the discomfort of the American populace.
So weapons that Hezbollah and Shiite militias in Iraq are using in their respective countries are made in Iran hmmm? Evidently, these weapons are being used to kill USA soldiers in Iraq. Well, there are weapons made throughout the world. The United States is allowed to make money selling weapons to its ENEMIES, yet Iran is not allowed to make money selling weapons to its allies? Does that sound...I do not know...like the American logic of hypocrisy and nonsensical rationality? I must also note that throughout the Cold War, Russians of various occupations visited various United States locations and most Americans did not even bat an eyelash. Even when U.S.S.R. had nuclear missiles aimed at the USA, the USA STILL talked with them, maintained diplomacy measures, and had Russian scientists and politicians visit there - and the stakes were much higher then than they are now. Yet, Iran is not worthy of the same courtesy?
George W. Bush will never measure up to Doctor Ahmadinejad in regards to morality. George is a little out of his league. As far as a few Americans deciding before hearing him speak that he will lie to them (and George W. Bush never lies...I know), my response would be: why would someone travel to the other side of the world, and possibly risk their life in the process, only to say what is not on his mind? I know I would be honest with a nation I am visiting on the other side of the world under those kind of circumstances. Otherwise, what would be the point of visiting the den of lions - as it were? Does George W. Bush have what it takes to travel to Iran and speak to the people of Iran? I seriously doubt that.
I'm an American and I have far more respect for President Ahmadinejad than anyone in the white house. Ahmadinejad is a peace maker, Bush/Cheney are barbarians.
9/24/2007
See/listen to this 10 minute talk from President
Ahmadinejad to the National Press Club. This very thoughtful and inspired man refers a few times to the the divine spirit of mankind, the need for truth, peace, and the role of the press
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXng5MWgD68
I like President Achmedinejad. He is brilliant and insightful and he gives as good as he gets. Yes I like Iran's President! Deal with it America!!!
Did anyone else notice that our president didn't show up to meet president Ahmadinejad? When a leader of another nation comes to yours maybe you should meet him? bush didn't meet with Saddam Hussein either after he was captured. bush has repeatedly turned down offers for a debate with president Ahmadinejad.
I know people like bush back in high school. They get braver the further away that they get. They shout insults from a distance but if you move toward them they always run away.
The thing that most offended me in the 60 Minute interview was the double standard Scott Pelley demonstrated.
Why have Bush/Cheney never been subjected to such direct questions? Or been required to give direct yes or no answers? Or been asked to reconcile past statements with present? Or asked about smiles/smirks at inappropriate times? Or asked about tasteless attempts at "humor"? (e.g. looking for WMD in the Oval Office.)
I'm concerned that some posters actually believe that Iran is attempting to construct nuclear weapons.
The responsible authority for ensuring nations do not illegally construct WMD is the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA). They have inspected Iran for YEARS. Their 2007 assessment has Iran's uranium is enrichment at 3.9%. Weapon grade enrichment is 90%. They found no evidence that Iran is attempting to further enrich uranium. Their current enrichment allows for nuclear power only. The US is lying to try to garner support for their upcoming attack. The news reports are all biased against president Ahmadinejad in order to push public opinion to the right.
Iran was not responsible for 9/11.
Iran has not attacked or threatened the US.
Iran has not assisted any country in attacking the US.
Iran has not threatened any other countries.
Yet we stand in crowds with "Go To Hell" signs and try to keep him from speaking. America's face is so ugly.
Unfortunately, the US will definitely attack Iran. War with Iran is crucial to the plunder of Middle Eastern resources that started in 2001. It's simply a crime of theft.
Crime can only go so far. Criminals get caught or killed when they become greedy and try to pull off bigger jobs than they have the skills to complete. Hitler found this out and ended up losing with the whole world knocking down his doors. Bush will find this out after Iran is attacked especially if nuclear weapons are used. The world will not stand for it.
re enterik:
the same was done to lumumba, castro, qadafi, bishop, noriega, aristede etc.; they all fell under what i call the "designated hitler" rule. it states that if the president calls another country's leader "the new hitler," that country's people are about to be murd...er, i meant "liberated."
look out chavez and morales.
Prewar groundwork, Step I
Establish Metonymy (leader as a metaphor for country or group). Saddam Hussein al Tikriti was Iraq. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is Iran. Emmanuel Goldstein is "The Brotherhood". Get ready for your two minutes of hate. All rise to commend Comrade Ogilvy.
KEM PATRICK
no, it was definitely johnathan segal chicken. it was a spoof on johnathan livingstone seagull (which i also read.) i'm not too sure what a dzo is. is it some kind of ox or bison? so not sure if we have them. we have camels and goats though. we are losing the thread here. better go to the veggie article to post before we get in trouble..............
Even if you assume (probably correctly) that Iran is trying to get atomic weapons, who cares? Pakistan has 'em, the israelies have 'em, we got em, so why shouldn't Iran have them too? The only thing that these people respect is power, so it makes sense to try to get atomic weapons, if only for self-defence. The US likes to be powerful to force people to do what it says, that is all. to steal people's oil. that is all. If Iran has weapons, perhaps they will be able to stop the expansion of Israel.
The same lies about Iraq are being repeated about Iran:
"The Iranians aren't allowing inspectors into the country."
"They are a threat and plan to attack."
blah blah blah
The U.S. has gotten away with war crimes in Iraq. Are they going to get away with more crimes by attacking Iran??
BTW, That great book was titled, "Johnathan Livingston Seagull.
Hi there Coco, no pun intended. It's ten years before the Arctic ice is almost all melted. Of course if that is correct, we won't have to worry about nukes as much as we will about the methane gas in the atmosphere.
Hey Coco, on the veggie thread, someone wrote about DZOs, do you have them in the Gulf region?
KEM PATRICK
that's twice you've said 'beat around the bush'. is it an intended pun???
anyway you said on another thread the earth only has 10 years left. so what are we all worried about.? if and by the time iran has nuclear weapons, there won't be anybody left to drop them on...........
Just heard the main excerpts of Lee Bollinger's reading of the (American ) riot act to Ahmedninajad.
Just much more of the same old drivel : 'we're the only good guys and you're the bad guys ' stuff.
Looks like he i.e. Mr. Bollinger ,is shaping up to give Joe Lieberman quite a run for his money - as the chief demonizer of Iran and war-drum beater .
If the translator failed to properly translate, I was unaware of it. I don't doubt it, we just could not know. The one question I referred to was not, "Are you making atomic weapons"? The question he didn't answer was:
[ "Are you currently plannig on building Nuclear weapons in the future"? ]
That was a fair and good question. He did not answer it "yes or no". He smiled and beat around the bush and it was obvious he would not answer it.
Because of that refusal, Many would suspect he is planning on building atomic weapons n the future and that gives Bush ammunition for proceeding with his idiotic plans. Now if the translator failed to first say NO, if that word was uttered by the man, then it should be clarified, because his refusal to say "NO" to that pertinent question, is dangerous for everyone, ___ his country and ours.
Watch Alex Jones' documentary, "Terrorstorm," for all you will ever need to know about how our government does it's business,i.e. its dirty work, not just in the world at large but here in our own country. Watch it, and then talk about how dangerous Iran is to our security. Yeah right! Our own damned government is the clear and present danger to us and to the entire planet!!!!! Wake up and see the film. Then start speaking truth to power and for God's sake turn off the friggin TV set. It is hazardous to your mental health!
LMAO milesofmusic...Kinda like ole Kim Jong Il sippin some cognac with a Swedish hooker flippin Bush the bird?
hitler took two mental patients of polish descent from asylums, dressed them in uniforms and had them shot in front of a radio station.
he then made the case for the need for homeland security in the fatherland and passed into law a bunch of temporary reforms granting himself special powers - and then attacked and destroyed poland.
he was the first modern leader to see the importance of the brand new gizmo - the radio - as a propaganda tool.
he used it very effectively.
he was a master speaker. invariably, he started his speeches almost at a whisper, building, like a piece of music, to a fiery, brutal, guttural, orgy of cosmic disintegration, where no wrong would not be righted, no insult not avenged by his nation, the third reich, the nazi party - the rule that would last one thousand years.
the audiences - many of 100 thousand and more, were often said to be drained after listening to this guy.
it moved them - it changed them.
let's thank god that the neocons/fascists/corporations only have bill oreilly and rush fat boy to speak on their behalf.
and fox news for their propaganda.
and thank god they have no one in their lizard like ranks who can speak and motivate like hitler could.
if they did the us would be lost tomorrow. it is that close to going.
bush's fixation with ahmadinejad, none the less, is unbecoming of the president of the united states.
their relative world status is not at all comparable, ahmadinejad being the junior, and yet bush can't seem to get over him.
worse than that, bush appears to be the bigger moron of the two. he can't match wits with even the impish and not always sensible ahmadinejad. he's worse than that.
ouch!
i think that ahmadinejad should get a headdress like the one arafat used to wear, dress in military fatigues and get some really cool sunglasses just to piss bush off.
and start hanging around with bill clinton. and bush daddy.
and now we hear that the lizard like cheney is soon to emerge from his underground sump pump to hit the circuit and up the rhetoric about iran. war before christmas!
deo deo
thank god he aint no hitler!
rtdrury--Re: your comments about this paragraph:
The Middle East has two-thirds of the world's proven petroleum reserves and nearly half its natural gas, and its fields are much deeper than elsewhere in the world, so that its importance will grow for the United States and its allies. Petro-dollars and other wealth make the region an important market for U.S. industry, especially the arms industry. Israel is important both for reasons of domestic politics and because it is a proxy for U.S. power in the region. By "hegemony," I mean the desire of Washington to dominate political and economic outcomes in the region and to forestall rivals such as China from making it their sphere of influence.
Being a little familiar with Prof. Cole's writings, I am fairly certain that he was not stating these interests as what HE believes are valid US interests in the region, but was making the point that this is Washington's perception of US interests in the region, and that by initiating or provoking a war with Iran, the US government would be making a move that is diametrically opposed to its perceived "interests" in the region. In other words, a war doesn't make any sense even from their point of view, it being a way for them to "shoot themselves in the foot", disastrously and horrifically.
Take a look at Prof. Cole's blog--I don't think you will be disappointed.
Bush is acting like Sgt. Slaughter. He needs an Iron Sheik so that he can go into Iran and take their oil.
Now that people are seeing the reality of Iraq, I REALLY hope people don't fall for a war with Iran.
I don't care if Ahmadinejad is a Holocaust denier. I don't care how he views homosexuals or women. He's not OUR president! He's no threat to us!
How can we be worried about so-called "villians" in other nations when a bunch of them already have our own nation in a chokehold?
wild rose, looks like you fell for another one, do you watch Fox news by any chance? Ahmadinejad didn't call for the literal country to be "wiped off the face of the map" he was quoting an imam that called for the regime in Jerusalem to fall. Iran has not threatened war with ANYONE unlike our own regime. This is how we got into the current fiasco, reactionary people believing every bullshit thing they see on fox news and cnn. Do your own research people for Goddess' sake! I fear this country is doomed to continue making these mistakes until someone obliges us by WIPING US OFF THE FACE OF THE MAP!
"denies he is an anti-Semite, has never called for any Israeli civilians to be killed"
Yeah, right. No, he doesn't want to kill Israeli citizens. He just wants to wipe them off the map.
"Americans are so stupid". How stupid are you people?
Cheneybush have been desperate for a new "boogyman" to focus our fear on ever since al-Zarqawi was killed. With Osama safely tucked away in one of daddy's Saudi basements, er, I mean the caves of wherever, "we the people" just aren't scared of total destruction of America by terrorists enough. It's so bad, most people now are so "pre-9/11" that they actually think the illegal occupation must end yesterday. Stupid Americans - don't they know Satan's third cousin is in NYC as we speak!!!
Of course, it's all nonsense. Cheneybush and their insane neocult care about only one thing: resource control and the power that comes with it. Jews, freedom, democracy, Israel, security - all propaganda meant to keep the MSM occupied while they continue to pursue their well known, anti-America agenda.
"If Ahmadinejad thinks he can be our friend by honoring our heroes and opening a dialog, he underestimates our ability to misinterpret him" - Scott Adams
Oh, and any resulting weapons grade uranium traces found will be 'evidence' that a hidden nuclear facility was hit, instead of admitting that a nuclear warhead was used.
This isn't about nuclear weapons or control of Iran's oil. This is about China and to a lesser degree, Russia.
The point of claiming that there is a nuclear threat, is to justify the use of nuclear weapons, in the form of ground penetrating weapons to contaminate the oil, largely already earmarked for supply to Russian and Chinese national refineries.
This will cripple the economic future of both nations and limit their capability for a prolonged military response.
Both nations will still need oil, for which the only supplier of sufficient volume will be Saudi Arabia. (at whatever price they choose to set)
It's pretty well established which side of the 'with us or against us' fence they fall on.
I don't get why a Pearl Harbor-like raid on Iran would even be in Israel's interest, let alone ours. A sustained bombing campaign didn't wipe out Hezbullah in Lebanon. Why would a few airstrikes, however effective, stop an Iranian bomb? I suppose the Iranians might turn out to be a bunch of sissies who will wave the white flag, overthrow the government to please the U.S. and allow Exxon to take over their oil fields, but I doubt it.
Bottom line:
In the age of nuclear weapons, we either talk or we all die!
Just that simple..........
The President of Iran is correct:
They (nuclear weapons) are useless....
sierra
LOL did anyone really think AIPAC isn't trumpeting for this war?
The Ahmedinijad mistranslation was done by MEMRI which was founded by an Israeli Colonel:
Ah, MEMRI.
Why am i just so totally not suprised?
"Yes, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad takes orders from the Mullahs, he denied that the holocaust existed, and even had a conference for that purpose."
Actually he held that conference to question the prevailing truths widely held by the holocaust industry. Several thousand Orthodox Jews attended as well. The fact that David Duke attending has nothing to do with the validity of the conference or its state purpose. This is in fact an ad hominem attack and proves nothing.
"I feel like the guy is a bit of a lunatic, so I don't hang on his every word."
Yes, a lunatic with no real power under the Iranian Constitution.
The Ahmedinijad mistranslation was done by MEMRI which was founded by an Israeli Colonel: http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=MEMRI
Now who is advocating for sanctions on Iran and bombing Iran....gee people come on connect the dots its obvious.
Ahmedinijad says he is not a Holocaust denier. I for one believe him. As to the question asked on 60mins? Perhaps he was so sick and tired with such persistent questioning on the nuclear arms accusation, he just felt blown away with the question. After all, lets be honest now, how many times has he made it quite clear that Iran is against nuclear weapons anywhere. 'The Religious Scholars' had a fatwa issued forbidding 'The Iranian Republic' from ever building a nuclear weapon.
Keep in mind also that in Iranian politics, the office of president is fairly minor. One writer compared it as equal to the mayor of a major city. Another compared it to the role of USA vice president before Dick Cheney. Ahmadinejad has very little power, certainly not the power to "export terror" or to attack anyone. "Head of the Axis of Evil", as the CBS interviewer put it? Laughable. THis is pure political theatre, folks, to gin up support for an attack. It's the equivalent of the "Two Minutes Hate" in the novel 1984.
Unable to see the forest for the trees or other descriptions of dead end arguments. Bush, Ahmadinejad both are responsible for human suffering. Whether it's Bush threatening to veto your children to death so that Lockheed can continue to inhale billions or a similar crushing authoritarianism in Persia, both modes or authority have long outlived their usefulness. A collective grimace from the World population, a holocaust of suffering that is beyond race, creed, color or religion. A human family that still bows down before gangster authority, an increasingly paranoid and secretive authority who's time will be limited in an enlightened bum rush for freedom.
HE CANT BE THE NEXT HILTER, BUSH ALREADY HAS THAT JOB
THE USA HAS A VERY SHORT AND SELECTIVE MEMORY
All citizens should remember that the USA overthrew the democratically elected government of IRAN, and installed the US puppetdictator the SHAH, in order to gain acess to cheap oil. The SHAH routinely detained, tortured and murdered Irainins who wanted justice and a return to democracy.
After the Iranians rightfully deposed the SHAH, The USA gave hime protection ands shcelter, and the Iranisn held US diplomats hostage for the return of the SHAH for justice. they eventually let the hostages go on a deal with REGAN, TO KEEP THEM HOSTAGE UNTIL AFTER THE ELECTION IN RETURN FOR WEAPONS SALES. THE USA USED THE MONEY FORM THRE SALES TO FUND THE ILLEGAL WARS IN SOUTH AMERICA.
While the Iranisns were attempting to return to democracy, the USA armed Saddam Hussien with WMD and encouraged him to attack IRAN. MILLIONS DIED.
IRAN HAS NEVER INVADED NOR ATTACKED ANYONE.
THE USA INVADES, ATTACKED, MURDERS LIES AND CHEATS ON A DAILY BASIS.
Of course Iran will acquire a nuclear bomb when it can. There's no point in not having one if you want to be a regional power. But an Iranian bomb is not exactly the greatest threat to Israel which itself, according to recent guesses, has something of fourhundred nuclear warheads. I sincerely hope the people of Iran get rid of their idiots one day soon, but it would be in everybody's interest if the West kept out of the proceedings.
I've said it before and I'll say it again and I will never stop saying it until it is no longer true. It's all about ISRAEL.
Where is Richard Nixon now that we need him? I never thought in 1974 that we would have a president that made Nixon shine like a beacon in the night.
"The Middle East has two-thirds of the world's proven petroleum reserves and nearly half its natural gas, and its fields are much deeper than elsewhere in the world, so that its importance will grow for the United States and its allies."
We don't need fossil fuels. Taking responsibility for our need for self-determination and the needs of the biosphere, we can quite easily eliminate our dependence on all fossil fuels though conservation, efficiency and a shift to renewable energy. Efficiency includes high speed passenger rail among many other things. Mostly VERY low cost. We don't need fossil fuel and we don't need capital either!
"Petro-dollars and other wealth make the region an important market for U.S. industry, especially the arms industry."
How much did the Pentagon pay Mr. Cole to say that? The news is we're weaning America off its addiction to the military industrial complex.
"Israel is important both for reasons of domestic politics and because it is a proxy for U.S. power in the region."
Israel is "important" to WHOM? Not important to the vast majority of Americans, nor should it be, in the geopolitical sense indicated by Mr. Cole.
By "hegemony," I mean the desire of Washington to dominate political and economic outcomes in the region and to forestall rivals such as China from making it their sphere of influence.
Well, it's about time Mr. Cole called a spade a spade, but why the quotes? Hegemony is correct. Domination. Subjugation. Oppression. Somebody tell Mr. Cole we're chucking geopolitical rivaly in the compost bin along with laissez-faire capitalism.
I was reading on another site and a Farsi speaker said the translator was the one that was not answering the questions directly! When asked of wanting a bomb he in Farsi immediately said "no" but the translator only picked up his line of reasoning after the "no" not the no itself...It was a set up and EVEN people here are falling for it!
And another thing, Ahmahdinijad NEVER said he wanted to wipe Israel off the face of the map either! That was another example of selecting a "translation" that suited our Dear Leader's cause. What he actually said was "the imam said this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time"
thats the regime, not the country and we could use a little regime change ourselves right here in good ole' Amurrrika...
PJD, the Iranian leader would be crzy to want 'The Bomb' because it would make his nation a target.
(OK, they are right now anyway, but that's just because the goon squad running the USA is NUCKING FUTS!)
Unlike the USA that can drop a nuke and go home for a fried chicken picnic on Sunday, Iran would literally have to live with(in) the fallout.
ALL OF YOU IN/ASSOCIATED WITH THE PENTAGON/WHITE HOUSE/PNAC/HALIBURTON/BLACKWATER ETC... ARE
STARK
RAVING
FROTHING
DROOLING
OFF_THE_MAP
HERE_THERE_BE_MONSTERS
CRAZY!!!
The West, and only a very few of them in private, do not take kindly to President Ahmadinejad.
The rest of us know that it is indeed America's fear of Iran's rising position as a regional power and its challenge to the American and Israeli status quo that bothers the hawks of the West.
Hopefully, when the warhorses go at it again, against Iran this time, their noses will be soundly bloodied
Blackwater prez on bombing Iran (sorry for the double post): http://www.blackwaterusa.com/btw2006/archive/112006btw.html
I think the only thing we can conclude about Ahmadinejad is that he is a bit odd. As far as holoucaust denial, I believe he was only questioning why the Palestinians are being collestively punished for the sins of the Germans. Sounds like a good question to me.
Sometimes, he seems to be a high-functioninhg autistic in the way he interacts with an interviewer - the inability to tell lies (a pretty vital skill for any kind of national leader) is one of the classic signs of Aspergers syndrome.
As far as the Bomb, until all the nations of the world get rid of theirs, any Iranian leader would be crazy NOT to want a Bomb. The deterrence it affords is the only way they can hope to be treated as a sovereign state.
Iran is not a threat. Iran is legally developing nuclear power as is it's right under the Non-Proliferation Treaty.
Iran's culture revolves around Sharia Law and Shi'a Islamic beliefs. They are NOT Americans. As usual, the intolerant (religious) Americans, habitually disrespectful of any nation "not like them" sling mud at Iran. They only follow what the media says. Since the news didn't mention Iran until recently, nobody's really had any negative comments about it. Now that the media brings up Ahmadinejad as a bad guy, everybody cops right to it. Stupid Americans.
America is so much better! We have violent video games, pornography, Wal-Mart, FOX News, SUV's, and Christianity! All of them are coming your way Iran! Why the long face?
There is no need to read between the lines, he said NO! He also went on to speak about not wanting war and worrying about world poverty. Sorry, but this guy is NOT the next Hitler...Sadly, I think we voted the next Hitler in 7 years ago...
I'm sorry, I was wrong, I just watched the interview again and when reasked about wanting a bomb he said "no, that is a FIRM no" he didn't use the word emphatic...He did deny wanting a bomb.
KEM:
Don't you really have to "listen between the lines" when you're hearing from any politician? The fact that Ahmedinejad didn't literally say NO, may not be important. Might he have a reason to leave the possiblity of a "yes" in someone's mind? There may simply be cultural differences in rhetorical style for all we know. That an interview on national TV by 60 Minutes is going to be the place to look for the truth seems a bit of a stretch.
I feel like the guy is a bit of a lunatic, so I don't hang on his every word.
Aside from that-
What kind of nukes will come out of W's holsters once the troops in Iraq get plastered by an Iranian missile? W is playing a game of brinksmanship not unlike JFK did in 1962. Will we ever learn?
the Eternal Victims of which no other victims in history can hold a candle to.
**bingo
that is exactly what is going on. I dont know if I have ever heard people who talk about the nazi crimes(I hate the word Holocaust because it sounds so sensational and the word originated as meaning the slaughter of male animals on the alter of God--which is why it was major hypocrisy for people to be upset when Peta used it in a campaign--they were just referring to its original meaning)
The West got upset because the Iranian Pres said Germany should have housed a jewish state. Makes perfect sense.
Kem, listen again. He did beat around the Bush as that is his style. He did however finally answer the question when he was asked it again and I recall him saying "NO" "an emphatic NO" exact words...He also said there is no use for the bomb anymore. The entire interview was insulting and no doubt pre approved by our dear leader up to and including a statement to be read to Ahmadinijad from Bush which was insulting and childish and even worse, laughably a self description of Bush's own policy. Perhaps Bush should have thought about that before he wrote it.
As usual, mainstream media coverage about Iran provides no context regarding the relationship between the U.S. and Iran. I'm not convinced that the current regime in Iran is a positive force in the world BUT think about the last 25 years of relations between our countries. As Juan Cole rightly points out, we sold Iran weapons in the 1980's during a horrorific war with Iraq... until Reagan decided that the interests of the U.S. would be better served if Iraq came out ahead in that conflict. Not only did we supply Iraq with weapons and aid throughout the 1980's during the war with Iran, we were the ONLY nation not to sign a U.N. resolution condeming the use of chemical weapons by Iraq on Iranian civilians in that period. Granted that Iran was committing some gross human rights violations of its own, but then for the U.S. to rush to the aid of Kuwait when Saddam invaded in 1991 must have been a bitter pill for Iran. And after having watched not only the recent destruction of Iraq but 50 years of intervention and hyprocrisy by the U.S., do we expect a hug and some flowers from those in power in this nation?????
Since 9/11 was an inside job, we shouldn't allow our current administration to visit there.
Iran is being accused of terrorism. Interesting.
In the last 10 years what country has openly launched attacks against other nations? The USA
What country lied to the UN about WMD? The USA
What country is in criminal violation of the Non-Proliferation Treaty? The USA.
What country has killed more civilians in the last 10 years than any other nation? The USA.
Yet WE are pointing the finger at people and calling them terrorists! It must be a joke.
Iran is accused of smuggling weapons into Iraq. Hmm that sounds like BS too. Let's analyze -
Iraq is 60% Shi'a. Therefore it stands to reason that the Shiite insurgents OUTNUMBER the Sunni insurgent's by 33%. Based on just the numbers alone, the Shiite insurgents should defeat their adversaries. Now if Iran is supplying them with training, weapons, money, and all manner of logistic support, the civil war would be VERY one-sided.
Some news articles say Iran is supplying the Sunni's! http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20070712/news_1n12iraq.html
It's a veritable forest of lies.
The bottom line is that we are preparing for a war with Iran because of oil. We stole Afghanistan's natural gas reserves, ripped off Iraqi oil, and now Iran is next to get robbed. Everything else is just smoke.
Who's next after Iran? It we be a country that has a lot of natural resources.
Doug, I hope there are many, many more like you starting to speak out and share those ideas.
Should a person speak to what they feel is wrong or right?
Of course they should, but they should also listen.
Listen to those in power. Scrutinize them very closely and if they are engaging in behaviors against the public good, then they should be called out to explain themselves and pressured to change.
Should any domestic citizen or foreign guest be banned from speaking? I don't think so in any society that values enlightened critical thinking and true freedom of speech. Is that still the USA? It seemed that it was for a time.
Let Ahmadinejad speak, and if he hangs himself on his own words, so be it.
Personally, I think domestic politicians should have to appear in venues like this much more often than they do. jm2c.
On another post here on CD I stated that Ahmedinijad was smarter than Bush.
That's not saying much, is it?
Perhaphs here is what I did realize- Bush's framework is narrow and his scope of knowledge small.
Ahmedinjad does seem to have a wider spectrum to draw from.
American media---no wonder Americans are ignorant (and contemptuous) of the world. Look at the pieces into which Iran's president (clown that he is) is chopped for the talk show egomaniacs to show their spit that in fact helps America into a more disastrous war than the one we have....Let him ask the U.S. and Israel one simple question and they implode: "Why are the Palestinians paying for the European Holocaust?" Ask an American that and the answer is either "Duh" or a very entertaining tantrum of one sort or another (translate: oil for my lifestyle)....
I taped that 60 Minutes program and have watched it carefully now,___ three times. President Ahmadinejad was not treated with the courtesy and respect due his position. However, his continual smiling did not help his credability.
Ahmadinejad was asked one very appropriate question, that only required a simple yes or no answer and he DID refuse to answer with a yes or no.
The question? "Are you currently planning to build nuclear weapons at any tme in the future"?
Reply? It was not an emphatic "NO" and then an explaination why the answer was "NO". He DID in fact, avoid answering the question and beat around he bush. Just prior to that question, he had stated he was a Muslem and could not tell a lie. He didn't lie to the question, he didn't answer it! There is no reason for not answering it, unless he didn't wish to say "YES".
The man is not to be trusted, which seems to be a serious malady for most of the world's leaders, and that is precisely what is wrong with humanity, too many damn liars become rulers. A person should never lie, ___ unless it is absolutely necessary. For examples: "Saddam 'does' have weapons of mass destruction!" Or, "I did not have sex with that woman"! Or, "Saddam is buying uranium ____ from Africa". ___ Shit,___ look what a lying king can accomplish.
While defending free speech, let's not forget to speak truth to power. President Ahmadinejad is the "Decider" of his own repressive regime: the one who calls out the thugs on student and women demonstrators, the defender of the status quo, and mouthpiece of fundamentalist religious reactionaries and Holocaust deniers (if you don't believe this guy's a denier, you're fooling yourself). Solidarity demands we use our voices in times like these to express our support for those in Iran seeking a new way of living, just as we are in this country.
Let's not let the regressive atmosphere of the U.S. media and politicians determine the ground we stand on when we as Leftists respond to things like Ahmadinejad's visit. We must differentiate ourselves from the media hacks and political pundits not only by critiquing them (which is always necessary) but by pointing beyond free speech to human liberation.
Am I the only Leftist willing to say I would be on the streets protesting this guy, too?
"Ahmadinejad's visit to New York this year will not include his visit to Ground Zero, because that is hallowed ground for American patriotism. . ."
Yes, and wouldn't it be just terrible if Ground Zero were to be finally exposed for what it really is: blowback for all the years of America's covert interference in a region where it has no business interfering in the first place.
It's both sad and frightening that some New Yorkers are protesting his visit--they obviously drank the neocon kool aid. This shouldn't be about Israel--it should be about the peace and security of the US!!!
PJD - Precisely!
No one would ever argue the malevolent travesty that was Auschwitz and the extermination of Jews in Germany deserved at the very least a provision of peace and security for those surviving, as long as they survive, however this has since been used to prevent any opposition to the ruling powers in Israel.
It appears in some ways that Bush Jr. and crew want to elevate Sept. 11 2001 to this same status. Any act of mass cruelty and barbarity, no matter how large must be allowed and excused because 'we were attacked first'.
Was what happened to the German Jews before and during WW2 a false flag fabrication? Of course not. Too many victims and witnesses from all nations involved, including many Nazi soldiers have seen and recorded what transpired.
Was September 11th 2001? How can we know? Most of the 'evidence' was vague to the point of being insubstantial and everything else has been 'classified' and/or destroyed.
I regret what the people of Iraq face because of the blind eye that was turned when there was time to prevent the butchering of their country for the Neocons' mass profit agenda. I fear for what the people of Iran and the USA now face ahead of them.
It has been said that the power to endure harm can outlast the power to inflict it. I sincerely hope this is true.
sipsey, I was appalled by the treatment he got on 60 minutes. He stated he was not trying to build a bomb and the interviewer kept haranguing him and saying he didn't answer. He answered with an EMPHATIC NO! Selective hearing or something more sinister? Also, why would Bush give 60 minutes a statement to read to the Iranian President? One would have to assume Bush also gave him the questions to ask and the tone to set for the interview. I'm outraged and sick to death of this adminstration!!!!
I'd be more apt to vote for Ahmadinejad than this asshole we have in office here.
I used to hold out some hope that 60 Minutes had some journalistic integrity left, but after last night's interview with Ahmadinejad, that hope is gone. Would a Fox News interview with Ahmadinejad have looked much different? Mother of Jabbering Jeebus, what an arrogant, bellicose, condescending piece of crap, devoid of any real substance. Would it not have been important to point out that there is no evidence, NONE, that Iran's nuclear program has a weapon as it's goal. I actually thought Ahmadinejad's comment about nuclear weapons ("their time is past") was very interesting.
For the most part, the phenomenom of "holocaust denial", or "holocaust minimizing" doesn't have it's origins in "anti Semitism". It arose as a (admittedly illogical) reaction to the way that Israel, in the wake of the 1972 war, started a deliberate campaign to elevate the nazi holocaust to sacred status, and the Jews and only the Jews (gypsies, Gays, socialists, slavs need not apply) the Eternal Victims of which no other victims in history can hold a candle to. (never mind the native americans, the african middle passage, the Armenians etc...)
Then, with the nazi holocaust elevated to epic status ("The Holocaust"), it is used to justify every crime against humanity Israel commits and to bludegeon anyone who dares to criticize the state of Israel.
Holocaust denying nuts like Irving and David Duke are easy to, and worthy of, ridicule. But those making an entirely principled criticism of the holocaust-elevation, and holocaust bludgeoning, like Norman Finkelstein, get smeared and their careers ruined by the Israel-lobby just the same.
Yes, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad takes orders from the Mullahs, he denied that the holocaust existed, and even had a conference for that purpose. American Nazi Party leader David Duke attended. I don't like his government. However, the US has no right to criticize. In 1953 the US ousted Iran's government and re-installed the hated Shah. Most Americans don't know this but most Iranians do. While I condemn Khoumeni for siezing the US embassy in 1979 and holding the personnel as hostage, the US gave support to Saddam Hussein when he invaded Iran.
We talk of denying Mahmoud Ahmadinejad the right to visit ground zero. At the time, Iran had cold relations with al Qaeda, Afghanistan and Iraq. Bush's policy changed all that.
Bush recycled the lies he told about Iraq and changed the letter "q" with the letter "n".
Kivals totally agree. I used to live in China and I remember the newspapers calling the Dalai Lama a terrorist seperatist! Unfortunatly, the American media is as state-controlled as the Chinese one!
He isn't allowed to speak because he has a nasty habit of telling the truth.
During the 9/23/07 60 Minutes Interview Mahmoud was asked to respond to a Dubya quote that sounded more like Dubya's strategy and achievements ("unilateral" and "rogue" were two of the words included therein)during the past 7 years, than Mahmoud's. Had Mahmoud simply stated the fact that Dubya has already IMPLEMENTED the stategies that Iran is being accused of PLANNING, and provided one or two of many examples, rather than making evasive comments, he could have established better credibility.
The US corporate media is showing itself to be the world's biggest joke. It is now beyond the point where any reasonably well-educated person would take the output of China's state run media more seriously.
So Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is going to be in New York and he is going to talk.
What might he say that has so many GOP sympathetic media outlets crying for him to be silenced or sent away before he can speak?
Remember when a political leader was supposed to speak and influence with words and present a point of view that could be considered, accepted or challenged by any thinking adult with the ability to make up their own damn mind?
What has America (particularly in 'leadership' become that a simple speech is so feared that it must be silenced before it can be heard? Which nation is truly tightening the grip of world terror?
It has been said that it would be a 'travesty' for him to visit the old WTC site. Why? Is there now clear precursor evidence that Iran sanctioned and supported the attack in 2001? If so, present the evidence and make the case clear.
He has also been accused of having a stated goal to wipe Israel off the map. Not true either. He has stated that Israel being plopped down in the middle of what was sovereign territory after World War 2 is an ongoing irritant, especially since they have been given a huge advantage in military power by the USA to give them threatening capabilities to affect the whole region.
If the actions of Nazi Germany warranted providing all displaced Jews with a stable homeland, then it should have been carved out of Germany's territory, but Jerusalem was what they wanted to reclaim and after the horrors they faced, they were given what they wanted, local considerations and people in the region almost 2000 years later be damned.
He has also been accused (by the USA) of being an 'exporter of global terrorism'. Does anyone who reads and posts to CD even need to be told how laughable this is from the source speaking it?
This behavior is ridiculous and the 'leaders' in the USA should be ashamed of themselves for this kind of brainless fearmongering.