That any Democratic would be suckered into this vote is disgusting and only makes the party look foolish. Once again they get rolled instead of standing up an calling this garbage by its real name. This updated version of Red-baiting, which is to question the patriotism of the Democratic Party is second nature to the gang in the White and House & the likes of Senator Cornyn. What really surprises me is the votes by Senators Mikulski, Dorgan and Conrad who have all been pretty severe critics of this administration. Don't these people realize that this doesn't help them?

Talk about biting the hand that feeds you. Moveon helped get some of these people elected. Welcome to the game of power.

It's amazing what happens when you tell the truth...

Keep up the good work Moveon.org!

Incredible

Ack!
What a stupid waste of time
and at the same time a telling action about the "reality" in our government.
No repudiation of the pres or vice pres, no movement on impeachment for all the overreach of power, no condemnation of even anything important (of which I could go on for pages and pages).
This is telling us that we "the people" are not to make any point of criticism against "them" the people in charge.
Time for sumpin' different, folks?
Ack, again.

well, i'm sort of glad to see that murray and cantwell didnt add their names to the roll call of flat out stupid - but holy cow...

I can only quote the final words of Leaflet 4 of the White Rose, a non-violent resistance movement in Munich, Germany during 1942-43:

"We will not be silent. We are your bad conscience. The White Rose will give you no peace."

And you can bet your sweet bippy that these chickens**t Senators are not gonna get any peace from this Viet Nam combat vet.

Iraq has become a singularity, sucking the life from anything that comes near it.

So when can we expect a resolution condemning Karl Rove for his vicious smears of the patriotism of liberals? Oops, sorry, I forgot. There's always the off chance that acknowledging that I am just as much a real American as anyone else born or assimilated into the good old U.S. of A could alienate a few swing voters.

The politicans are disgusting.

No money to these people from me:

Baucus (D-MT), Bayh (D-IN), Cardin (D-MD), Carper (D-DE), Casey (D-PA), Conrad (D-ND), Dorgan (D-ND), Feinstein (D-CA), Johnson (D-SD), Klobuchar (D-MN), Kohl (D-WI), Landrieu (D-LA), Leahy (D-VT), Lincoln (D-AR), McCaskill (D-MO), Mikulski (D-MD), Nelson (D-FL), Nelson (D-NE), Pryor (D-AR), Salazar (D-CO), Tester (D-MT), Webb (D-VA)

And don't phone my home Casey! You are not welcome there.

What a bunch of ding-dongs and a waste of taxpayer money...why am I not surprised??? This Congress is a pathetic bunch of ninnies. Last time I checked the Constitution...freedom of speech was still there ???

"This amendment was an opportunity for every senator to declare with not only their voices but also with their votes that they fully support free speech, tolerance of dissent and upholding the constitution," said one reality-based Senator, who asked to be unnamed for fear of repudiation.

For the U.S. Government to base its foreign policies on the hyped and biased sound bites of an obvious traitor and liar, is business as usual and is not in the least wise threatened by allowing token opposition groups to spout the truth while helping to fund the neocon lapdog press with their advertising dollars.

For the Senate to repudiate a pointless protest ad with a pointless and toothless resolution has a certain poetic justice to it.

"Doo Doo Doo 'n Dah Dah Dah 'sall I want to say to you." -- The Police

It's absolutely disgusting for our government to vote to condemn us dissenting American citizens.
If you look at the average contribution for MoveOn's fund drives, you'll find it anywhere between $40 - $60 per contributor – a true grassroots movement.
Any political ad is going to contain an opinionated position – conservative or liberal. This is our right! If poor Petraeus can't stand the heat, he should get out of the BushCheneyCo hellfires.

Poets priests and politicians
Have words to thank for their positions
Words that scream for your submission
And no-one's jamming their transmission
'Cos when their eloquence escapes you
Their logic ties you up and rapes you

De do do do de da da da
Is all I want to say to you
De do do do de da da da
Their innocence will pull me through
De do do do de da da da
Is all I want to say to you
De do do do de da da da
They're meaningless and all that's true

I'm very thankful to see my Senator on the list of NO votes. As soon as I log off, I'm sending him an e-mail to tell him how thankful I am that he retains his sanity, and thanking him with for his NO vote on this issue. Hope everyone else does the same with their Senators.

Hopefully those who voted YES will hear loud and clear what those who voted them into office think about their YES vote.

You can criticise ANYONE in the US except the military-- its a sick fetish we have...

I'm surprised Leahy supported it. Shocked actually. You would think that the democratic chair of the judiciary committee from Vermont would have a greater tolerance for dissenting opinion and free speech.

What's that Doors' song (the one from Apocalypse Now)..."This is the end...this is the end..."

Repudiation from the likes of these lice is a badge of honor.

Petraeus has lain down with low-lifes and woke up a 'lice'.

Why am I not surprised my Senator from Florida voted yes? I'd email him but by now he probably has my email addy blocked LOL

The psuedo-president in office is the one the one who is disgusting, as are all the people that voted in favor of this amendment; may they lose their next elections! Move-on has every right in the world to attack this stupid farce staged to prolong an illegal occupation whose only purpose is to privatize Iraqi industry and kill it's people.

I play that song every single day, just to stay completely focused on exactly where we are in time and ... why.

Spike - I guess that's true.
The ad must have hit pretty close to the mark to stir such a reaction.

Well, no surprise on the "Democrats" who voted for the measure.

Feinstein has moved increasingly to the right. She's be sidling up to Lieberman soon. Remember, her husband got a $50 Million contract to fix the electricity in Iraq several years back. (efficient, isn't he?)

And what can I say about coy Little Miss Mary Landrieu that she hasn't uttered herself? Everyone must remember her gushing to Anderson Cooper about how wonderful "Mr. President" was during the Katrina disaster. I was waiting for her to break into a breathy Marilyn Monroe song to Bush.

But it's all good. Now, we all know who is a Republican in drag, and fight against their reelection

If our troops are over there "fighting for our freedom", why is anyone disagreeing with the powers that be labeled a traitor? Why is that more-military-than-thou McCain isasking MoveOn.org to leave the country? They are Americans. They have rights, don't they? Or are they only defending the freedoms of a certain mind-set?

So America is now a place where simply wearing a uniform makes one immune to criticism.

That's the most anti-American thing I've heard. The very basic concept of America is that we are equal. The very basic thing of America is that we don't have different classes or an aristocracy. The very basic thing of America is that if you think a King or a President or a General is lying, you are free to say so.

What this tells me is that the United States Senate is very anti-American. This whole bunch would have sided with King George in 1776 in the same way they all always side with King George in 2007.

PS ... and as usual Obama shows his true colors by refusing to stand up for freedom in America. Just another piece of corporate-backed scum who can't be counted on to defend anyone except his contributors.

I hope MoveOn has enough sense not to ever give a dime to every Senator who failed to vote No on this. Hey MoveOn, its time to start funding Green Party candidates in these races. See what your support of Democrats for all these years has gotten you?

Good ol "we'll show you the way" Webb?!!!

When they gonna vote for condemnation against the swift boat attack ads? Oh well, little late for that.

We call him Betray Us Maximus in our house.
I am so sick of trying to convince my elected Representatives to do the right thing.
I say throw the bums out!

Surprised that a capitalist party like the Democrats would do anything else? It's time that you Yankee small-D democrats actually started to practice democracy. Where the fsck is your third party - your working class party? Enough said.

(1) point .. for W

(3789) points .. against (as of Wednesday) + their families and friends, the wounded, all Americans, etceteras

Plus countless Iraqis and others.

General Petraeus is the reincarnation of Heinrich Himmler.

This vote in the Senate is not only disgraceful but an assault on our freedoms in America to dissent from the insane
saber-rattling. Watch these spineless Democrats who voted for criticizing MoveOn give Bush the billions that he wants
to prolong this Occupation. This has nothing to do with the name-calling of "Left" that these corrupt politicians assign
to decent Americans. They should be ashamed of themselves. They are the real traitors.

As of course we all know, the foreign policy of the United States is handed to the president by God up above, so that makes every little last lamb who joins our military an angel in seraphim, fighting for truth justice & the American way, who would never but never go to some foreign country to accidentally massacre women & children unless that country was tonight at 11 going to attack the wondrous perfection that is the good old US of A.

They've just guaranteed that Move On will get lots of contributions. Just sent another contrib. myself. I am shocked that Casey voted for this pointless measure. He's lost my confidence and my vote. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice...

The Bush Administration lied to get us into this war and they will lie to keep us their. As will anyone who is under the the jurisdiction of the Administration. There are no free thinkers in the Bush Administration. Anyone who would dare oppose the inept and disgraceful war strategy that is in place has already left. And, with the cowardly congress and senate letting it all happen we will never be out of Iraq and the death toll, already obscene, will climb higher while the politicians debate tv adds. Here is my final thought: Q: To what end shall go their deceit? A: There is no end.

I'm pretty new to this whole leftwing internet blogging situation. However, this tells me that I now must start supporting moveon.org, in addition to my other blogging sites.

And I must send my thanks to the brave heroes of moveon.org for not being afraid to speak out against this vile arms dealing pimp of the bush cartel.

What a usless bunch of slugs. What has happened to free speech and ideas. If you diagree with this present adminisration you automatically get branded by those illustrious Politicians in Congress. WAKE UP EVERYONE

The text of the First Amendment to the US Constitution is:

" Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. "

seig heil

Freedom of Speech.

This is the third time that Casey has voted with George Bush on important items.
1. Our idiot in Chief can go to war with Iran without consulting Congress. AIPAC vote no doubt.

2. It's O.K. to listen to our phone calls, intercept our e-mails and make sure the Phone companies are not held libel.
That should be two.

3. Today's vote on the Gen Betrayous adv.

Casey is a pure and simple idiot. What the hell he is doing is surely unkown to me. I called his office on the tapping vote and was told he was protecting us against that attack that Sen Lott and company say was coming.

Guess that's four stikes you out. But we have to wait four more years.

First, Gen Betrayous wrote a column for the Washington Post just before the 2004 election backing Bush. This a so-called military man which is not to get involved in elections and politics. Second, he lie like hell to Congress on the numbers which leads me to believe he betrayed us.

So Gen. Betrayous it is.

Also when the hell are we in this country going to stop this praise and pray service for the military. They are killers, nothing else, nothing more. I'm sorry for most because they have no other chance for a job in this country but since when does that give anyone and I mean anyone the right to kill women children and civilians.

LOL, another perfect example of America's "free, open and democratic society." Rather than carry out the wishes of the majority by withdrawing from Iraq, the regime goes on to officially denounce those outside of the government who have tried to represent the demands of the majority. Washington is only a 'democracy' for the rich.

Being outraged at this meaningless resolution, and at the Democratic senators who voted Yes for whatever reasons, is as silly as the resolution itself.

After all, as Lakoff pointed out, it doesn't hurt to have "General Betray Us" swirling around in the media cesspool and flushing through the collective daydream.

I mean, it's nonsense, isn't it, kind of a sixth-grade schoolyard taunt. But just the kind of nonsense that sticks in people's minds, like the nonsense TV commercial makers use so effectively to sell us soap products.

So, this resolution itself backfires on the people who sponsored it - all the more so for having passed (so it gets reported more). Maybe we should be thanking Leahy, Feinstein & Co. for their shrewdness.

And no, MoveOn shouldn't give money to Greens any more than they should burn it in symbolic protest. They should keep on playing hardball, real-world politics.

I just sent Move on a donation. I am appalled at these people who do not believe in free speech. Any Senator who voted for this resolution should be voted out of office. I refuse to be quiet and give up my freedom of speech. Shame on them.

McCain said Move.on should leave the US.

What Bush is afraid of is now people will say:

Bush betrayed us..

so say Bush betrayed us when you can

Bush betrayed us on 9/11 in New Orleans, in Iraq etc.

I'll leave it to you all to make your own list of how Bush betrayed America...so many choices...where to begin...

Moveon.Org - do you now see why it is CRITICAL that you completely disconnect from the Democrats and support a third political party?? For the Senate to vote on an ad, give me a f&#$ing break! I would hate to see the expressions on the faces of the Founders of this country. I will bet they are rolling in their graves right now.

"Incredible" is hardly strong enough. It isn't even enough to say that Bush (or Cheney/Bush) betrayed us; they and their whole neo-con clan have been treasonous, and the offenses are continuing to mount. In the meantime, the folks inside the DC Beltway continue to go along, unaware (or uncaring) that the country is falling apart as we succumb to the greed of the corporatizers who don't seem to give a hoot as long as they get their m(b)illions - - the future be damned. Sad to say, I am beginning to come to the conclusion that the Democrats are little better than that other bunch As someone else has opined, maybe it's time for all the Progressive groups to band together and form a Populist Party to throw all the rescals out and get this country back on the road to respectability with a foreign policy that works for peace and understanding among ALL nations instead of trying to outdo Pax Romana.

WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH THESE PEOPLE? WHAT PART OF "FREE SPEECH" DO THEY NOT UNDERSTAND. I AM EMBARRASSED AND ASHAMED OF DIANE FIENSTEIN. IF SHE WANTS TO BE A REPULBICAN LET HER BE ONE AND QUIT TRYING TO FOOL THE PEOPLE OF CALIFORNIA. I'M SO TIRED OF HER STILL POSTURE AND PHONEY FROZEN SMILE THAT I COULD PUKE. BESIDES THAT MOVE ON'S AD ASKED A QUESTION, PURE AND SIMPLE. "GENERAL PAETRAEUS OR GENERAL BETRAY US?" NOW IS IT SO THAT WE DO NOT EVEN HAVE THE RIGHT TO ASK A SIMPLE QUESTION. THE PEOPLE OF CALIFORNIA BETTER WAKE UP AND SEE DIANE FIENSTEN FOR THE WOLF IN SHEEP'S CLOTHING THAT SHE IS AND LET HER KNOW THAT SHE IS AS DISPENSABLE AS THE REST AND IF SHE WANTS TO SEE A RISING OF THE MASSES OF CALIFORNIA, LET HER CONTINUE HER LOCK STEP MARCH WITH THE REPUBLICANS AND GEORGE W. I NEVER LIKED HER AND I KEEP LIKING HER EVEN LESS.

So much for Jim Webb and all his big talk following the election. What a complete waste of time. I mean what the f**k, the MoveOn add was not all that bad, and the General did betray us, so what's the beef. For the spineless Democrats to jump on this particular Republican band wagon, considering the recent Repug filibusters is particularly disgraceful!

Well, lets condemn Bush directly, no need to dwell on his starry water-boy.

Bush screwed up.
Starting the was a screwup, pushed through on lies and fear.
The way the occupation was run was negligent, a huge screwup, in part intentional.
The neglect and abuse of the troops is a massive screwup.
The lack of concern for the civilians of Iraq is criminal. Hundreds of thousands dead from this military "enterprise". Far beyond screwup.
The use of military staff to get political mileage is grotesque.

Bush. You screwed up everything. Any smirks for us?

The Dorgan, Feinstein and Leahy votes are particularly disappointing. Webb and Tester: understandable and no surprise. The rest: a slangue word for a female anatomical part occurs to me. That precious time was spent on this in the first place: reprehensible. To conclude that a "yea" vote is anti-free speech is nonesense. Speech is subject to criticism and critics are free to speak.

This my first attempt to communicate my disgust and anger about the current subject. The reason for my rancour is Senator Klobuchar from MN who voted against MoveON. I would have thought that the Demos had more important work to do than this. Senator Klobuchar has with this vote, she also voted for the famous extension a few weeks back, again shown her lack of knowing what her constituency is conveying to her. We Have Had Enough of The Bush War; and all we get is this! Oh where , oh where, has our little Amy gone, Oh where , oh where can she be? She is eating at the trough of the Bushites. Please forgive these poor chose of words, but I am mad. angry. upset, etc.