Hey everyone I found this article today and thought you all might like it. Remember that the left's only concern is to raise taxes and grow the government then of course use the money to pay for other things rather than what it was intended for as usual. This is what they do all the time. Taking for instance social security tax to pay for useless things instead of leaving it alone so your children will have nothing. Also some scientists have found a solution to the global warming concern and it is a very simple answer. They have found that by increasing the cloud coverage of the entire planet by 2% it would reduce the heat in our atmosphere back to what it was like prior to the industrial age. That's right 2% how doable is that. I am in no way saying that by doing this we should not still lower pollution levels for our own health reason as well as it still would be beneficial to the planet as a whole. But wow what a simple and effective way to accomplish what they would spend billions to tell us after they have their pockets full of our hard earned wages. Keep in mind that the warming and cooling of the planet is a natural process and we should not get carried away on either side of this debate given that the science it's self is split as to why the planet is warming and by how much. The sun plays a large part in warming and cooling trends with its 100 year magnetic field cycle. This is hard proven science in itself. But you won't hear that from the goraentists ( scientists that bow to Al Gore's lies ) That because they get there grant money to spew the far left propaganda.

GLOBAL WARMING: A CONVENIENT LIE

Thursday, March 01, 2007

Al Gore is, well, almost as bad as John Kerry, but now it seems that Kerry has finally learned to keep his mouth shut, at least for now. Not so much Al Gore.

At the recent Academy Awards Al Gore won an Oscar for best documentary film; too bad the film and book are convenient lies based on a political agenda rather than good science. But that has never stopped the Left. As with most on the Left, global warming and environmentalism are the cause celeb; their rallying cry and organizing concept. It is also the Left's religion. An Inconvenient Truth blames Man for global warming and forecasts dire consequences for the world unless we reduce carbon dioxide emissions in the next ten years.

Of course, the way they propose to do this is by growing government and adding even more regulations to hinder business and increase their costs. The only dire consequences would be for businesses, every consumer, and particularly for the poor and elderly who would have to pay more for everything because of the new environmental taxes. Make no mistake about it; everything will cost more and our businesses will be less competitive internationally. This will result in plant closings and job layoffs; basic economics that the Left has such a difficult time understanding.

During Gore's world tour to promote his book and heighten his visibility in preparation for his nomination for the Nobel Peace Prize, he had numerous opportunities to debate real climatologists who had offered opposing ideas about the real cause of global warming and he refused each one. He was afraid to debate anyone who knew something about the topic that did not already agree with him. He was there to deliver his message, not debate anyone on the facts who might challenge his faulty science. Facts were never part of his equation.

Now we hear that the debate is over and the case is closed; their other god has ruled - the United Nations - has decided that global warming is 'caused' by Man so there is no need for any further discussion; it is time for action. Surprise! This type of socialist-collectivist mentality could not be further from either the truth or from reality.

But Al Gore may know what he is talking about at least in one area; energy consumption. In this area at least, he may have some 'street creds'.

Take, for example, Gore's 20 room mansion in Nashville, Tennessee. His average electricity bill is more than $1,300 per month. His yearly combined natural gas and electricity utility bill is almost $30,000. That is enough energy to provide energy for 20 typical American homes. Clearly, Al Gore practices what he preaches and is doing his part to conserve energy. His motto must be: Do as I say, not as I do. This type of hypocrisy is typical of the Leftist elite.

None of us should completely disregard our own energy use and we should what we can to reduce it. However, it should not be a government-mandated reduction. After all, we have free will, we live on the same planet, and we should endeavor to protect both our own economic interests as well as the environment in which we all live.

Back at the Academy Awards; Melissa Etheridge won best theme song for the motion picture An Inconvenient Truth beating out four competitors, including three songs for the film Dreamgirls, for some song no one has ever heard. Coincidence or preplanned politics?

There are many excellent books out that contradict the Left's specious assertion that Man is the 'cause' of global warming.

One of the newest and best is The Politically Incorrect Guide to Global Warming (and Environmentalism) by Christopher Horner, a senior fellow at the Competitive Enterprise Institute. In The Politically Incorrect Guide to Global Warming, Mr. Horner makes the point that environmentalism is the religion of the Left and heresy by anyone with a different view will not be tolerated. Another superb book is Unstoppable Global Warming: Every 1,500 Years by Dennis T. Avery and S. Fred Singer. Both are highly recommended.

The Left's political socialist-collectivist political agenda concerning global warming and environmentalism should not be taken lightly. They plan to grow government and to give it more power. They plan to tax all of us with an environmental tax to pay for it and in doing so they will make our businesses less completive. And they must be stopped.

EMAHO, in some way I tend to sort of agree with you. In many ways I tend to strongly disagree. So, if you feel so strongly about your opinions, why not do yourself and the planet a great big favor and take yourself out, be among the first to go since Sept 13, 2006. You would be a hero in your own mind, helping to save the planet from this horrible pestilence. Good idea?

ezelflyer;

gore/rfk jr. a good idea, we might be able to do something about the planet AND election fraud.

This another marvelous moment of humor for those who believe that there's some way out of the current and future global warming crisis...some magical relief (like a cosmic Exlax?). Scientists who pretned to understand the cycle of global warming are, in spite of their good intentions, just barking up their asses. Look, you must believe and have faith in the fact that nothing activists, or whoever, are doing is going to have any effect on whether or nor the earth heats up. The fact is that the earth now houses the most dangerous organism it ever has; and it's taking steps to rid itself of the pestilence. The problem...the plague...is the human species. A more selfish and self-destructive species hasn't ever been observed or recorded. Deny it all you wish. Glorify humankind all you will. The fact is...mankind is the end of us all. For the betterment of Mother Earth, the sooner the better.

Few mention global dimming. Our upper atmosphere is heavily polluted from burning coal and of course now burning our forests in the tropical zone. At night, the planet looks as if it is on fire when seen from outer space.

The sunlight is not getting through 'as it should' from the polluted air. One would at fist believe, that unnatural phenomemon would cause the planet to be cooler, however the pollution traps heat from escaping out through the atmosphere and global warming results.

SNYDLY: Good question, I don't know, except the ice samples 'prove' that what has happened in the past eighty years has never been anywhere near that dramatic in the last million years. Then what has happened in the past fifty years, is so far off the scale, it is alarming. Jet aircraft contrails in the upper atmosphere create much of the global dimming. There are several thousnad flights every single day, 24/7. It adds up. Whatever the reasons, the pollution from burning coal, the jet contrails, burnig forests, automotive exhaust, cow farts, they all combined are not helping the situation. Will it be fixed? ___No.

For all you people out there who are still unsure about whether global warming evidence is merely episodic read Tim Flannery's
The Weather Makers and learn the extent to which the science
is in on this subject.

Here's another bit of interesting trivia---

Half the mass of the atmosphere is below 18,000ft.
Most of it is below 60,000ft.
Weather occurs, 95% of it, below 30,000ft.
Airliners cruise between 30-40,000ft.
Sounds like vast numbers, right? Consider that the runways at IAD, LAX and MKC, etc. are just over 10,000ft long.
Consider that On a clear day from a hill or tall building one can see about 10 miles (60,000ft).
At about 40,000ft the temperature is -57C or F, can't remember which, but dead cold.

One of the IPCC scientists said that the ecosphere is one hell of a big gorilla with a delicate disposition (or similar) and we are poking it with a stick.

Cheers

There's a lot of information in the Chart in Gore's movie and the book (hi recmend) that shows the ice core data from the last 650k yrs.
We see 5-6 cycles with peaks and valleys. The spikes are defeated and reversed geologically quick.
This begs a few questions:
1. What event or phenomenon acted to do that? Day After 2morrow scenario?
2. We see 2-3 spikes that resemble our own, but may not have involved anthropogenic forcing (mammals maybe), but certainly not burning hydrocarbons. Man has been around a while, maybe they burned every thing else...The ? is: are me mimiccing a natureal cycle, or are we unluckily in sync with one?
3. The fact that there are ice caps to examine at all means that in the past, the reversal of the spikes occurred before the caps melted all the way off. The CO2 also reversed, back then, but look at the levels now, and at the amount of heat we add to the ecosphere by burning oil---Will a reversal cycle be able to take place under these conditions? Will G-land and Ant melt off this time? And, if so, when?
4. What is the trigger that sets the reversal into action? Looks like temp to me. If it was CO2, something would already be underway. Water cycle is run by temp, this is a water planet...

Check this chart out , perhaps online, and tell us what you see.

Cheers

DENVERJOMO: The 1979 to now years are the years the Arctic has been phot'd by satellite. The ice core samples tell the whole story and it is not a good tale.

Admiral Perry reached the North pole in 1909, at the time and for 95 years after, Greenland was almost solid ice, as was the entire Arctic durng the winter season. Amundson 'sledded' the wooden craft for much of that traverse of the Northwest Passage. Scientists who just returned from Anarctica last month were 'shocked' at what they observed. They have spent several years in Anarctica taking ice samples. Mountain climbers who have climbed Everest twice, were 'shocked' at what they observed this year, the ice is almost all gone as are the glaciers in Glacier National Park here in our country.

You are entitled to have and express your opinions, but if you are not a scientist who has spent an entire adult lifetime studng our climate and its changes, I'll take the words of those who have.

denverjomo-the antartic ice is remaining thick so far because when it's warmer, it snows more, keeping the thickness relatively stable. However, longer term, the warmer weather shrinks the ice from the outside edges.

It isn't only global warming that's resulting from industrialization. There's another factor, and that's toxic chemical pollution. You really should read the report linked in the left-hand column, Toxic Chemicals Blamed for the Disappearance of Arctic Boys. It's really alarming to me. Here's an excerpt:

NUUK, Greenland - Twice as many girls as boys are being born in remote communities north of the Arctic Circle. Across much of the northern hemisphere, particularly in the US and Japan, the gender ratio has skewed towards girls for the first time.

Now scientists working with Inuit villages in Arctic Russia and Greenland have found the first direct evidence that this trend is linked to widespread chemical pollutants. Despite the Arctic's pristine environment, the area functions as a pollution sink for much of the industrialised world. Winds and rivers deliver a toxic tide from the northern hemisphere into the polar food chain.

Scientists have traced flame-retardant chemicals used in everything from industrial products to furniture, phones and laptops to the food chain, finding high levels of these pollutants in seabirds, seals and polar bears. The Inuit have traditionally relied on a hunter-gatherer's diet almost exclusively made up of marine animals, making them especially vulnerable to toxic pollutants.

Historically in large populations, it is considered normal for the number of baby boys slightly to outnumber girls in a trend believed to compensate naturally for greater male mortality rates.

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Did you get THAT? Twice as many girls as boys are born to the Inuits now. The natural ratio for humans and most other primates has been 106 females to 100 males.

And it isn't just in the Arctic regions that this is happening:

Although the nature of the Inuit diet is believed to have triggered the disturbing ratios in the Arctic, a similar pattern may be emerging further south. Until now, the only evidence of the impact of these toxins was circumstantial. The most skewed ratio had been in Canada, where a First Nation community in Sarnia lives amid Ontario's petrochemical industry, and the number of boys born has plunged since the 1990s. The fallout from the toxic cloud in Seveso in Italy in 1976 allowed scientists to monitor dramatic impacts on both the gender ratios and numbers of babies born.

Dr Jens Hansen, leader of Amap research, said they were finding incredibly high levels of banned PCBs among a cocktail of other hormone-mimicking chemicals in pre-natal mothers. Pregnant mothers, he said were ingesting these hormone-mimicking chemicals in their diet and passing them through the placenta where they influenced the gender of the foetus or killed male foetuses.

Aleqa Hammond, Greenland's Foreign Minister, says: "We heard from scientists four years ago that our heavy metal consumption is dangerous." She adds wryly: "If you ate me, you would die."

Aqqaluk Lynge, head of the Inuit Circumpolar Council, said they were trying to raise the alarm internationally but nobody was listening. "People don't want to talk about such a critical question. We are talking about our people's survival which is very alarming."

Greenland, the world's largest island and still a dependency of Denmark, now has the highest proportion of women in the world.

A full report from other researchers is due to be published sometime next year.

"The International Institute for Strategic Studies (IISS) security think-tank said global warming would hit crop yields and water availability everywhere, causing great human suffering and leading to regional strife."

Fortunately, farsighted US policymakers are preparing for the worst and are planning to supply arms to any and all parties who ask for them. . . as long as they can pay in cash (or oil), of course.

The Earth is a no-deposit no-return container of resources for producing consumer goods. Not to worry.

The solution: listen, there's a hell of a good universe next door; let's go!

This article presents the optimist's view of what could happen in a century from now. Furthermore what will happen will happen in thirty years not a century. By then people will be more or 'convinced' that something needs be done collectively. Seriously convinced!

The antarctic ice sheets are declining. Check it out. Standing water is being recorded inland. Greenland looks like it may suffer a catastrophic melt. Try thirty years of INCREASING warming and sooty coal plants and then think of Greenland's rapid melting.

The next decade is the awakening and the second decade will be the proof that the third decade should never have been left to get so bad! But we did.

The world of our kids. In thirty. No ...it doesn't look like fun does it? We were given the beauty of all that had come before and we left in it's wake ...clear cuts and ...and a world that had become Science Fiction.

I wish people would stop mentioning Soylent Green so much. It's starting to make me nervous. I just wish they'd all just forget the whole idea of Soylent Green. It was just a movie.

Stop encouraging them!

LOL.

And I don't want to hear any more of that "Take the chubby ones first" nonsense either. Just stop thinking about Soylent Green. Just stop it!

I think that those who don't think think that this will just make Jesus arrive that much sooner....Or else they think money makes them immune...Can't really think of any other irrationally rational explanations, unless there's another inhabitable planet somewhere they're hiding from us....

Nuclear Winter would negate the effects of Global Warming - but a Global Plague would do it better.

It is human nature to not wish to hear about subjects that are negative, like Global Warming, DU use, atomic war, Wal-Mart, etc. (I suspect everyone who has commented here has human nature). Unless of course some here might be from another planet. But I didn't see any blogs by Damon13.

We don't wish to hear it, and likely due to that, human nature surges. There are some rather strange comments posted here. Many appropriate comments also. Some deny Global warming is a fact, some may falsly believe a nuclear winter would offset it, some believe that no matter what humanity does to the Earth, Mother Nature will over time, take care of the problem.

I'll sound negative, an alarmist type here. That is because the subject is negative and alarming, or I believe it should be, since it is so deadly serious.
Last week for example, a string here written about global warming, stated that scientists now give us 38 yars before the Arctic ice is gone. Two years ago the same scientists stated, we had more than a hundred years. The fact is, the poles ice is melting far faster than any had ever predicted and that is an un-arguable fact. If the billions of tons of methane that has been frozen in the tunra for over a million years is released from thawing, it will kill us all. ___ Quickly.

When the huge ice sheets in the Anarctic melt away, as they are doing, the seas will rise by more than forty feet. That 'could' happen in less than twenty years. That is also a fact. If the ocean's phytoplankton die off another 30%, all life on Earth will die and the atmosphere will be on fire. Of course we won't be here to see the fireworks. Those tiny but most important to life ocean plants, produce 70% of our oxygen by the way and in the past few years they have reduced by 10%. The most likely cause off their not producing as they always have, is Global dimming, or chemical and atomic waste pollution. The suns rays cannot penetrate our polluted upper atmosphere as they are supposed to.

The twenty foot long ice core samples taken from the poles, give scientists a daily record of our atmosphere for the past million years. NEVER in that period of time, has there been the dramatic change in our atmosphere that has occured in the past fifty years. It began to go bad in the mid 1800s, which is in direct agreement with the beginning of the industrial revolution.

Now, we here may all live until none of these dire predictions come to pass. If anyone doesn't care what they leave for their children and their chrildren's children, ___ don't care. Personally, I do care, as I'm sure most of everyone here does also. I do not have the power to do much about global warming, except to live my life as enviromentally clean as possible. Write letters to my stupid, lobbyist loving senator and congressman and write letters to the editor and blogs here at Common Dreams. I also eat more chicken than steak and am looking for an aardvark to eat the termites and ants. ___ Termites give off a lot of Co2.

ezeflyer: I like it!

Gore/RFK Jr.!?

denverjomo September 12th, 2007 4:45 pm

"Just not sure I'm willing to trash our economy..."

What the hell are you talking about? What economy? America is bankrupt. I'll have to assume that you are somehow, for now, immune to the financial collapse that is going on around you. Wait a little while. Before too much longer your money will be worthless.

It's all the fault of the SPINELESS SELLOUT DEMOCRATS!!!!!

SOLUTION! Ethanol sunscreen!

Okay kids....

I agree that we have a massive problem here. I also agree that global warming is happening, and looks like it is accelerating faster that the scientists predicted. The juggernaut that we as humans have set off over the past 100 years is in motion and gaining speed with every passing day. I also agree, that without population/consumption control, there is nothing that we can do that will effectively slow this train down.

I was part of the the "population bomb" generation too. I limited my reproduction rate out of conscience. Unfortunately, the message didn't catch on with the majority of the world. Except maybe China. So here we are, 50 years later and nothing has changed.

Here is what I see for the future. Many of us will put solar panels on our houses, help to develop and buy/retrofit electric cars, install flourescent bulbs, buy local, plant a garden, and try our damnest to reduce our ecological "footprint". We will be the minority. This is not a dooms day scenerio. It just seems to be the reality. But we will soldier on and try our best to do the right thing.

Long term, BushCo's ethnic cleansing of the world will continue. AND, the US will continue to contaminate the world with DU munitions and further reduce populations here and abroad. FURTHER, it is probably inevitable that this EVIL administration will be dropping nuclear weapns before their term is out, further wiping out entire populations and making large swaths of land uninhabitable. Disease and war will further reduce populations in third world countries. On the economic front, the US economy is probably going to go into meltdown in the not too distant future which is going to reduce consumption in major ways.

So, there you have it. It ain't pretty, but mother nature has a way of righting the wrongs we have done to ourselves.

The amount of methane coming from the thawing of the permafrost is five times greater than scientists thought. Dr Katey Walter explains. She measured it. http://www.sciencemuseum.org.uk/antenna/siberianthaw/111.asp
Methane is about 20 times worse than CO2 as a greenhouse gas.
Go on Google Earth and look east of the Ural Mountains in Western Siberia. It looks like a swamp land.

Those who still debunk the consensus of the non political & dedicated international scientific community join Bush right wing's war on science, & our planet.

Rather than pursuing even modest effort to understand the effects and consequences of mans activities they follow the deceptive data issued by the right wing and energy cartel.

Evidence linking carbon pollution to warming has long been as close to certain as science can be. Its causes, consequences, and mitigation requirements have been documented by many dedicated environmental organizations including The Union of Concerned Scientists.

The dangerous manipulation of essential scientific data used by Bush's team to conceal and derail corrective measures for this threat and other vital environmental reforms has always been apparent--and all indicators show no change in their direction.

Often overlooked is the fact that the same measures needed to mitigate global warming would be necessary even if it were not an issue. Conservation, alternative energy development, anti- pollution refinements, etc are essential for other vital environmental reforms such as air and water quality, reductions in toxic waste generation, land preservation, etc.

Contrary to right wing assertions, greenhouse gas reduction measures could only improve our economy by lessening our trade deficits, and improving our security by reducing our dependance on foreign oil. We could also regain some of our lost world respect resulting from our opposition Kyoto while arrogantly contributing disproportionally to carbon pollution.

The immeasurable environmental and social destruction from our indifference to carbon pollution and related environmental measures can only worsen if we allow this reckless and unlearned president, guided by special interests to continue their war on our planet.

Must agree w/ damon13 that this is a doudle edge sword. I've noticed in my area these fundamentlists are a major drain on the planets resorces.They tend to hold low level government jobs and are privy to every welfare program known to man (ei. free school lunch program etc.)There 10 or 12 children get a free or greatly reduced higher education so they can grow up stick there heads in the sand continue the "traditions" of getting into low level govornment jobs or maybe even a high level gov. job so they can dictate there misconceptions to us all.

Soylent Green:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soylent_Green

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c25tTzGJmcs

Mary Sojourner, What is this? The discovery channel forum. I'm not flaming you. I too love that science stuff. And I say this with all humility, but are you sure there won't be any magnetic field, I thought this pole reversal has happened at least twice before. Wouldn't the magnetic field just turn upside down? I watched this one t.v. show about the earth and they said without the electro-magnetic field, everything , bacteria and cockroaches would be dead within weeks. I'd love for you to be a fact finder on this. thanks

Dr. Zimmerman Roberts, YES, Critical thinking is key. And although I think those four freedoms are important. I think others will agree that the FREEDOM to have as many dam kids as possible is the freedom that we are having a problem with. Try to wrap your head around that number 6.5 billion.
Now here's the most ridiculous part, somehow us as humans have this insane notion that we are divinely "above" and separate from our environment. And thus it is morally apprehensible that anyone even mention the notion of population control.

p.s. Scientists (Gary Glatzmeir at U. C., among many) have documented changes going on in the earth's magnetic core. They predict a reversal of the electro-magnetic field. It has happened before, can be measured by evidence in exposed lava at Steen's Mt. in Oregon.

When the patches of reversal reach the tipping point, the entire energy field will reverse. At that point (projected to occur in the next 1000-2000 years, the band of electro-magnetic energy protecting the surface of the planet from solar radiation will disappear.

Imagine how much more severe the mutagenic effects of floods of solar radiation will be without ozone layer protection; imagine those effects on a planet in which species diversity is already being brutally compromised.

And we talk about freedom?

Stewardship is the operative concept here.

Global Warming Impact Like 'Nuclear War'

Please can we not make such ridiculous statements.

"If you can see through to the source of your fear, you will be free. I can never tell you anything more important."

Critical thinking is the key. Can we spend our time talking about ideas and solutions that can make life better.

It seems that we now need to address Roosevelt's "Four Freedoms"

"In the future days, which we seek to make secure, we look forward to a world founded upon four essential human freedoms.
The first is freedom of speech and expression -- everywhere in the world.
The second is freedom of every person to worship God in his own way everywhere in the world.
The third is freedom from want, which, translated into world terms, means economic understandings which will secure to every nation a healthy peacetime life for its inhabitants -- everywhere in the world.
The fourth is freedom from fear, which, translated into world terms, means a world-wide reduction of armaments to such a point and in such a thorough fashion that no nation will be in a position to commit an act of physical aggression against any neighbor -- anywhere in the world."

When we have the heart to address the big points, the small points follow.

denverjomo: Just not sure I'm willing to trash our economy given the lack of data that stands up to the scrutiny of geological time."

Why should going green asap trash our economy? I'd think the opposite. People WANT to make the switch. The market would definately drive it (with the proper federal leadership and startup credits). Green and renewable energy will only be MORE in demand as time passes. What are we waiting for? We can be the leaders (profiters) or the followers (purchasers): what's better for business?

As for the "lack of data" compared to geological time, from what I know of the science of global warming, what is occuring now is thoroughly unique in history. Exactly what data are you referring to as being unable to stand agains scrutiny?

And man, you compare our pathetic collective response thus far to Chicken Little? I don't even know what to say about that. At best, it's more like Island of the Lotus Eaters, or maybe arguing about wallpaper while the house is burning down.

As for andersdl, Jackgay and Dongus, I can't agree more that this is the main root of the problem. Nobody even talks about it except when pointing out how evil China is. Sex is still a sin, and so is preventing pregnancies. As long as we don't hear about these things on the nightly news, this problem will only grow, grow, grow.

The following article by Jack Chang:

"As Brazil's rain forest burns down, planet heats up"
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/226/story/19533.html

states that "Brazil has become the world's fourth-largest producer of the greenhouse gases that cause global warming," and that "70 percent of Brazil's emissions comes from deforestation."

Since deforestation is one of our main causes of global warming, we should consider all options to stop this practice. One way to achieve this goal is to consider hemp cultivation. A few months ago I wrote a short piece regarding this topic, and since this article has reignited some of the same issues, I thought it would be a good idea to link that information below. To reduce our contribution to global warming see:

"Deforestation and Hemp: How to Stop Global Warming"
http://www.chycho.com/?q=Deforestation_Hemp_Global_Warming

Having participated in the ZPG (zero population growth) and appropriate technology movements during the 1970s I believe Jackgay and Dongus have identified the root of the problem...uncontrolled population growth.

Unfortunately Jackgay and Dongus are both heretics !

Don't they know that our economic system depends on growing populations to create more shoppers. The more desperate poor people there are looking for jobs, the cheaper they will sell their labor and the less they will be concerned about safe and healthy working conditions.

Sincerely, Fellow Heretic

I am not among the Chicken Littles flocking to embrace these arguments. The main climate data concerning the Arctic ice sheet dates from 1979 to present. From a gelogical perspective, this is such a small sliver of time as to be inconsequential.

The ice sheets have always fluctuated. The Guardian UK laments that the Northwest Passage is now open for travel. But consider the fact that Roald Amundsen traversed the Northwest passage in a wooden craft in 1906. Also consider that while the Arctic ice sheet has been shrinking the Antarctic sheet is at levels greater than the 1979 baseline that is being used to "prove" the impending holocaust...

Just not sure I'm willing to trash our economy given the lack of data that stands up to the scrutiny of geological time. Should we conserve? Yes, Should we develop cleaner alternatives? Of course. Should we panic? I'm thinking no.

What I find strange is that the presidential candidates on both sides pay so litle attention to this issue. Even stranger, the one person who has done so much to address it, Al Gore, refuses to run for office, even when he sees how little importance the other candidates are attaching to it.

I just do not understand it.

Jackgay may be more correct than he supposes. The heat of metabolism given off by 6.5 billion human beings at a minimum activity level (sitting quietly) equals the heat output of about 26,000,000 (that's MILLION) gas-fired forced-air furnaces sized for the average single-family home and running with burners ignited 24-hours per day, 365 days per year.

Nuclear Winter would negate the effects of Global Warming

There are just too many people.The population growth alone will lead to all of the problems mentioned above.

The greedy imperialist capitalists thrive on death, destruction,and catastrophe, which is why they deny global warming. They should all be arrested and imprisoned for life.

I've been saying for some time that Global Warming is the biggest and most important issue on Earth bar none. The war in Iraq and other wars look so trivial compared to this. People are fighting over oil, which will only cause more greenhouse gases when used, when we aren't going to have food or a habitable planet to live on. That oil and gas for your stupid car or suv is going to be useless when marauders are killing everyone for the last bits of food and water.

Carbon taxes on imports are a good idea.

Jeremy Lovell states: "Climate change could have global security implications on a par with nuclear war unless urgent action is taken..." The scientific evidence can't be ignored! Human industry is a whirl wind of activity whose consequences in the coming decades will usher in a new social and environmental order. Below are just a few of the many threats we will need to contend with -- the sooner the better! The last entry is a power-point presentation I gave last year at the Veterans For Peace National Convention held here in Seattle titled: The National Security Implications of Global Warming/Abrupt Climate Change

1 - Hypercanes in the future?

"But nevertheless, I can't get over these numbers: The 1980s saw three official Category 5 hurricanes. The 1990s saw two. The 2000s, so far, have seen eight, all clustered from 2003 to 2007. In this context, the past five years certainly look like a scary anomaly compared to what has come before. And while that might be all that we can say definitively at this point, I think it's worth remembering something that Thomas Kuhn noted in his famous book The Structure of Scientific Revolutions: When enough scientific anomalies accumulate, they can sometimes force a paradigm shift."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chris-mooney/here-we-go-again-global-_b_62893.html
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2 - Greenland meltdown/ Gulf Stream shutdown?

"The vast ice sheet that coats Greenland up to 2 miles thick is reacting to global warming far faster than scientists thought it would. It makes some of them wonder whether they've underestimated the speed of changes a warmer climate brings. A few decades ago, Greenland's glaciers had little bearing on Oregon. Now they're melting and sliding into the ocean quickly enough to measurably -- though slightly -- raise the sea level on the coast of Oregon and around the world. It is the acceleration that stuns scientists. Greenland's glaciers are adding up to 58 trillion gallons of water a year to the oceans, more than twice as much as a decade ago and enough to supply more than 250 cities the size of Los Angeles, NASA research shows. That's particularly unsettling because elaborate climate models that scientists use to estimate the effects of global warming did not foresee it. Scientists themselves never imagined Greenland's ice, which holds enough water to raise sea levels 23 feet and sits in position to influence Northwest weather, would move so quickly."

http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/news/1189232816204570.xml&coll=7
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3 - The National Security Implications of Global Warming/Abrupt Climate Change --
http://noboxthinking.com/hurthope/

The disaster-capitalists are no doubt looking forward to this.

'Kay people...how many of you are acting to change what little we can change?

Check this out: http://freegan.info/