Two billion a week for Cheney-Halliburton and all the mercenaries in Iraq, and for healers & helpers, it's let them eat toxic dust.

It's New York, Republicans WANT them beggared, disabled, & dead.

The criminal maladministration and its supporters and fellow-travelers champion the Hollow State-- a form of government, as arch-wingnut Grover Norquist infamously observed, shrunk small enough to be drowned in a bathtub.

The so-called "safety net" of yore has been shredded and sold for scrap. As the federal government's responses to the catastrophes in NYC and NOLA have amply demonstrated, their Prime Directive was concisely stated by a 19th Century fictional icon, one Ebenezer Scrooge:

"If they had like to die, they had better do it, and decrease the surplus population."

For more on "World Trade Center Cough" have a look here

http://discovermagazine.com/2007/oct/the-9-11-cover-up

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iwarrior September 11th, 2007 8:48 pm

"The Americans are all victims of 9/11. Look at the Patriot Act. Look at how 9/11 was staged. What an act."

I think Iraqis and Afghans have been victims of 9/11 also since Bush used 9/11 as an excuse to stomp mudholes in those people.

Each member of this administration needs to swing from the gallows for letting the attacks happen not to mention everything that has happened since. 9/11 has to be the greatest act of treason in the history of this nation. Then everyone who died and has suffered injury or illness should get reparations. And then of course universal free health care.
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When I first read the headline, "ignoring the other victims of 9/11", I thought it was going to be about the Afghanis and Iraqis. Silly me!

Thank you to iwarrior for (again) demonstrating an all-encompassing perspective. My hat's off again to you.

No justice, no peace.

This is so sad. I am so sorry for him and his family and others in situations like his.

He knew he was going to die and the doctors couldn't do anything about it. That must have been an incredibly helpless and scary place to have been at the end of his life (in addition to being in pain). And it's all because the EPA/Bush/Giuliani/Pataki Administrations weren't truthful about the toxicity of the air in and around the pile and the landfills. It seems like we are living in a world of denial these days. I think that Whitman, Bush, Giuliani (including Judy), Pataki and any other leader who looked the other way, should have to go (with their families) and work at the landfill without masks for 9 months.

I can wrap my head around the possibility that on 9/11 and the days afterwards, everyone (leaders included) was scared and wasn't really prepared for this and "mistakes were made". HOWEVER, we know this now. We know that first responders, workers on the pile and at the landfills and probably residents and downtown workers were exposed to an awful cocktail of poison, and, had they known, they could have made better decisions to protect themselves. But, they were reassured by their leaders that all was A-OK, so, they are now sick and dying.

It is the government's responsibility to care for them and their families now. I wish Bloomberg would do something. He's about the only one w/ power I trust. They need top medical help (not a study) that is focused on this (and paid for) ...like a Doctors Without Borders type of thing. And their families are also going to need financial help. They need to have another 9-11 fund. Federally Funded.

I wonder how these families feel seeing Giuliani and Pataki (and Hillary?) speaking at the 9-11 ceremony knowing that THEIR loved ones have either died or are dying because of their lack of candor and their lack of caring.

"Ignoring the Other Victims of 9/11"

The Americans are all victims of 9/11. Look at the Patriot Act. Look at how 9/11 was staged. What an act.

Joeford - How long do you think it is going to be before the True Believers see what has happened to our country and how they got suckered and enabled it?

"harold September 11th, 2007 7:56 pm
Joeford - How long do you think it is going to be before the True Believers see what has happened to our country"

Perhaps when their sons and daughters are being drafted, they would pay more attention to what entailed on 9/11. For the time being, they think Bush is trying to get the oil over to feed their SUVs parked on their driveways.

harold, your question prompt me to read your main post. Just recently I tried to figure out the tritium level on Ground Zero. At any rate, do you know that the FEMA personnel wore full protective gears against radiation on Ground Zero? Someone knew, just not the first responders.

"The Americans are all victims of 9/11. Look at the Patriot Act. Look at how 9/11 was staged. What an act."

I think Iraqis and Afghans have been victims of 9/11 also since Bush used 9/11 as an excuse to stomp mudholes in those people.

Each member of this administration needs to swing from the gallows for letting the attacks happen not to mention everything that has happened since. 9/11 has to be the greatest act of treason in the history of this nation. Then everyone who died and has suffered injury or illness should get reparations. And then of course universal free health care.

First Responders, family members, and concerned citizens want ANSWERS to why WTC7 pulverized into dust in 7 seconds on 9/11, even though the 47-story building was never hit by a plane. The fire theory does NOT cut it. Was the plane that was blown up in Penn meant for WTC7? It DID house the CIA....

You: Question

You: Research

You: Reason

You: Form your own independent conclusion

A challenge to all those who are still ignorantly blind.

Reality-realization is scary, but not as scary as blind faith in madmen!

"I think Iraqis and Afghans have been victims of 9/11 also since Bush used 9/11 as an excuse to stomp mudholes in those people."

Tell me about it.

Bush admits that Iraq Had Nothing To Do With 9/11
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9218934325755914595&q=iraq+had+nothing+to+do&total=311&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

FBI says, "No hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11"
http://www.teamliberty.net/id267.html

Billions to destroy the social system and infrastructure of Iraq. To pump weapons of death like DU into their land. To destroy their lives and their property. Yet we leave the true heros of 9/11 to suffer alone with minimal funding from their government. A government who blatantly lied and said the air was safe to breath at ground zero. This administration should not just be impeached, they should be hung for needlessly destroying the lives of millions of people the world over with full knowledge of their actions. Lie upon lie upon lie to spread death in every area they have been in contact with from 9/11 to Katina to Iraq . We are governed by madmen who seek to detroy all of humanity to push forward their twisted ideaologies. Now who are the real terrorists?? Osamabeenforgotten or the people who run things in this great nation. We need true leadership. People of moral,and ethical virtues. Leaders who walk the walk not just talk the talk. Leaders who can admit failure and seek to change their course of action to right the wrongs. Where have these leaders gone?? When will they return??
A beautiful quote from MLK "Beyond Vietnam" sums it all up, and boy could we use a voice like his today in these troubled times.

"As I have walked among the desperate, rejected and angry young men I have told them that Molotov cocktails and rifles would not solve their problems. I have tried to offer them my deepest compassion while maintaining my conviction that social change comes most meaningfully through nonviolent action. But they asked -- and rightly so -- what about Vietnam? They asked if our own nation wasn't using massive doses of violence to solve its problems, to bring about the changes it wanted. Their questions hit home, and I knew that I could never again raise my voice against the violence of the oppressed in the ghettos without having first spoken clearly to the greatest purveyor of violence in the world today -- my own government. For the sake of those boys, for the sake of this government, for the sake of hundreds of thousands trembling under our violence, I cannot be silent.

For those who ask the question, "Aren't you a civil rights leader?" and thereby mean to exclude me from the movement for peace, I have this further answer. In 1957 when a group of us formed the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, we chose as our motto: "To save the soul of America." We were convinced that we could not limit our vision to certain rights for black people, but instead affirmed the conviction that America would never be free or saved from itself unless the descendants of its slaves were loosed completely from the shackles they still wear. In a way we were agreeing with Langston Hughes, that black bard of Harlem, who had written earlier:

O, yes,
I say it plain,
America never was America to me,
And yet I swear this oath--
America will be!

The US government doesn't give a damn for the first responders, or for anyone else in the US.. Even the people who went to Cuba for treatment with Michael Moore, after their own government wanted nothing to do with them are being prosecuted under the Cuba travel ban. Sick bastards these US fascists are. US is a sorry nation, and sure as hell no beacon for the world to look up to. It has shown its true colours, and they are the colours of evil. The world will be a much more peaceful place when the US has disappeared from the page of time.

"US is a sorry nation, and sure as hell no beacon for the world to look up to. It has shown its true colours, and they are the colours of evil. The world will be a much more peaceful place when the US has disappeared from the page of time"

We're a people buried underneath the rubble of at least sixty years of propaganda, which already at the conclusion of the Second World War was already removing the Soviet Union & the Russian people from public memory. The US became the great & moral power which solely by national purity & the help of the paleface Christ had singlehandedly beaten Hitler & Tojo, with a bit of help from the plucky Brits, of course; but the majority of Americans will tell you that "we" won the war -- even if "we" hightailed it out of Vietnam.

Just as the workers on "the pile" were being immersed in the toxins with the absoulte full knowledge of Christine Todd Whitman and Rudolfo Giuliani, so the soldiers in the South Pacific were subjected to the full range of fallout after it was known exactly what its effects would be, and many were even mroe directly experimented on.

The horror is that the US CAN DO EVEN WORSE THAN IT HAS -- and that the danger is that the very minimal levels of restraint imposed by the vestigial structures in our country will vanish when the coming collapse overtakes the population. The regime has had to lie constantly in order to neutralize those who, lacking commitment, might acquire it if presented with the truth.

We will reap the whirlwind. Unhappily, those who did act selflessly as rescue workers & searchers through the rubble can be added to the numbers of those who perished for the lies.

"US is a sorry nation, and sure as hell no beacon for the world to look up to. It has shown its true colours, and they are the colours of evil. The world will be a much more peaceful place when the US has disappeared from the page of time."

LOL. Yeah, and then some other "great evil" will come and take its place. What will you say then?

We don't need this wanton anti-Americanism right now. It helps to impedes Progress as much as anything else.

The U.S. disappearing from the pages of time? Not happening. Every nation is greater than its bloodstains and its corrupt leadership. I am optimistic that we can overcome this Dark Age of our history and become that truly great nation we are more than capable of being.

I'm a bit confused. Mark worked for Cingular Wireless, and the National Guard flew him in to set up wireless networks for the emergency workers. Okay. But then it says he worked at the landfill. It seems odd they'd base their wireless network at a landfill. What am I missing here?

Another fine example of our government missing the mark in their 'efforts to bolster the national security' of our nation. Here we find that our first responders get 10% of what is recommended from the $$ proposed in the budget, while our war on terror consumes that 25 Billion in a matter of days.

Tell me what terror is more real to the majority of Americans.... suffering the results of poor government policy and response to emergencies (ie. Katrina, 9/11, Patriot Act) or plots against our multinationals and military across the globe.

I believe we can best serve our national interests and security by taking care of our own first! AND this does have to mean we ignore the needs of others around the world... we would get much more return on our $$ spent if we helped build, rather than destroy nations and the lives of people worldwide.

It isn't just the first responders or the workers on the "pile" that are affected. The air in the whole area was bad. The latest issue of Discovery magazine has an article that estimates that up to 300,000 people may ultimately be affected.

I watched the recovery effort for days. (Since I'm old and retired I had the time to do it.) I remember the "official" statement that the air was safe to breathe, the sense of urgency to return to normal, and the determination that the stock market needed to re-open as soon as possible. People who lived in the area were told to wipe up dust in their apartments with damp towels and they would be OK.

I do not recall any statements about wearing masks to do the work, although some people were. What I remember is the request for more "doggie booties" since the dogs feet were being cut. The response to that request was significant. Had a request for masks and respirators gone out, there would have been a larger response.

Far more damage was done by the government in its response to 9/11 that was done by those who caused it, whoever that may be.