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The DC Establishment vs American Public Opinion
By large majorities, Americans distrust Gen. Petreaus' report and, in general, claims about Progress in Iraq
The Washington Establishment has spent the last several months glorifying Gen. David Petraeus, imposing the consensus that The Surge is Succeeding, and most importantly of all, ensuring that President Bush will not be compelled to withdraw troops from Iraq for the remainder of his presidency. The P.R. campaign to persuade the country that the Surge is Succeeding has been as intense and potent as any P.R. campaign since the one that justified the invasion itself. While this campaign has worked wonders with our gullible media stars and Democratic Congressional leadership, it has failed completely with the American people.
Ever since the Surge was announced (and allowed) back in January, Conventional Beltway Media Wisdom continuously insisted that September was going to be the Dramatic Month of Reckoning, when droves of fair-minded and election-fearing Republicans finally abandoned the President and compelled an end to the war. But the opposite has occurred.
Democratic Congressional leaders -- due either to illusory fears of political repercussions and/or a desire that the war continue -- seem more supportive than ever of the ongoing occupation (or at least more unwilling than ever to stop it). They are going to do nothing to mandate meaningful troop withdrawal. Most Republicans are hiding behind the shiny badges of Gen. Petraeus and his typically sunny claims about Progress in Iraq, and they, too, are as unified as ever that we cannot end our occupation.
None of that is notable or surprising to anyone other than our nation's media stars. It has been depressingly predictable (and predicted) for months that Petreaus would descend on Washington in September, hail the Great Progress we are making, and the entire D.C. Establishment -- and more than enough members of both parties -- would meekly fall into line and support whatever scheme prevailed at the time for ensuring that we stayed in Iraq through the end of the Bush presidency. The notion of the "Moderate Congressional Republican" who will stand up to the President has long been an absurd Beltway myth, as was the expectation that Democrats in Congress would ever force the President to end the war.
But what is notable about all of this, if not surprising as well, is that the overwhelming majority of the American people now harbor such intense distrust towards our political and media elite that they are virtually immune to any of these tactics. Several polls over the past month have revealed that most Americans do not trust Gen. Petraeus to give an accurate report about Iraq. And a newly released, comprehensive Washington Post-ABC News poll today starkly illustrates just how wide the gap is between American public opinion and the behavior of our political establishment.
The majority of Americans have emphatically rejected the Beltway P.R. campaign of the last several months, and are as opposed more than ever before to the war. Perhaps most remarkably, in light of the bipartisan canonization rituals to which we have been subjected, a strong majority (53-39%) believes that Gen. Petreaus' report "will try to make things look better than they really are" (rather than "honestly reflect the situation in Iraq").
Moreover, huge majorities continue to believe that the war was not worth fighting (62-36%) and that the U.S. "is not making significant progress toward restoring civil order in Iraq" (60-36%). Only a small minority (28%) believe the Surge has made the situation in Iraq better, while vast majorities believe it has made no difference (58%) or has made the situation worse (12%). And a sizable plurality continues to believe the U.S. is losing the war (48-34%).
More significantly still, overwhelming numbers of Americans understand what the D.C. Establishment refuses to accept: namely, that even if there are marginal and isolated security improvements, there is still no point in continuing to stay in Iraq. Large majorities want the number of U.S. troops in Iraq decreased (58-39%); believe overwhelmingly that a decrease should begin "right away," rather than by the end of the year or next year (62-33%); and favor legislation now to compel troop withdrawal by the spring (55-41%).
Yet the "debate" taking place in the Beltway regarding Iraq could not be any further removed from the views most Americans hold, and the war-continuing actions of our political class over the next several weeks will be -- yet again -- in complete defiance of the pervasive belief in this country that it is long past time to end the war. Just as they do with regard to the realities in Iraq, our political class just pretends that these facts about American public opinion are not true. As but one particularly egregious (though representative) example, this is what Fred Thompson advisor Mary Matalin said last week on the Meet the Press:
MS. MATALIN: Yes, because what we're seeing for the first time last week, is a majority of people now support and believe that the war can be won.
Matalin's claim that a majority "believe that the war can be won" is extremely dubious (the Post-ABC Poll found the opposite: that a plurality believes the U.S. will lose the war; only a minority (39%) believes we will win). But Matalin's claim that "a majority of people now support" the war is just an outright lie.
One poll after the next for at least two years has found that Americans overwhelmingly oppose the war and want it to end. But Matalin, a Serious Member in Good Standing of our Beltway Establishment, can go on Meet the Press, sitting there with Tim Russert and her husband and others, and spout lies like this about what Americans think about the war because the D.C. Establishment wants to believe that they are trusted and respected. Matalin also said this about what "Americans believe":
It does not comport with the critics of the president who say progress is being made, including front-runners Hillary Rodham Clinton and, and Barack Obama. So people are very nuanced about this. They understand not only that it can be won, but that it must be won. They understand the consequences of defeat. Further, two thirds of them trust -- and nobody more than the generals -- when Petraeus and Crocker come and give their report, that will be the positive time.
These are total falsehoods. Yet The D.C. Establishment, including Democratic Congressional leaders, are wedded to the premise that Gen. Petreaus must not be challenged, that we are making Progress due to the Surge, and that -- whatever else is true -- compelled withdrawal (i.e., withdrawal before George W. Bush wants to withdraw) is irresponsible and dangerous.
In his Washington Post Editorial this morning, Fred Hiatt came as close as he ever has today to admitting that there is no point in continuing to remain in Iraq, rhetorically asking: "If Iraqis are not moving toward political reconciliation, what justifies a continuing commitment of U.S. troops, with the painful sacrifices in lives that entails?" That question answers itself: nothing justifies our ongoing occupation. Yet Hiatt can't bring himself to follow that premise to its logical conclusion: namely, that withdrawal is the only rational option.
The Establishment is so invested in ensuring that the war they created can be painted as a Success, and even more so in the notion that forced withdrawal is something only the Unserious People advocate, that they will never follow their premise (we are doing nothing good in Iraq) to its logical conclusion (therefore we should force Bush to withdraw whether he wants to or not). And the entire leadership strata of our political class, including Congressional Democrats, either shares those premises and/or are far too weak and afraid to defy them. The war thus continues, and the gap between our political class and American public opinion continues to grow.
In one sense, it is quite unhealthy in a democracy for such a large majority of Americans to so distrust the political and media establishment that they even believe in advance that war reports from our leading General will be nothing more than self-serving and misleading propaganda. But in another, more important sense, when a democracy's political establishment becomes as rotted and deceitful and corrupt as ours has become -- enabling the most unpopular President in modern American history to continue what is so blatantly a senseless war for years and years, in complete defiance of what Americans want -- the one encouraging sign is that a majority realizes how corrupt our establishment is and has stopped believing anything they say.
One of the very few governmental institutions that inspired respect among Americans has been the military, and that is still the case. But anyone who becomes a part of our political class, such as Gen. Petraeus, is inherently distrusted. This war has completely eroded the relationship between our Beltway ruling class and the rest of the country. That would normally be something to lament, but in this case, it is something to celebrate. The Beltway ruling class -- political and media figures alike -- deserves nothing but scorn and distrust. As they spend the next several weeks enabling George Bush to continue this war for as long as he wants, they will earn a lot more of both.
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Show AllNot having seen the Tim Russert, Meet the Press, interview with Mary Matalin,were the polling figures against the Iraq war not brought up?
One can , I think, detect the steel spine of the military-industrial complex (MIC) behind the collapse of our democratic congressional representatives.
I remember the "credibility gap" when LBJ refused to alter course in Vietnam. He persevered until he quit, dropping Agent Orange all the way.
Now that Corporations own most of the media, what's a politician to do? He gets most of his money from the MIC, and most of his access from corporate media...and half of us don't even bother to vote.
We could use some long term memory and voter participation, now that we have finally gained, as you point out, some scepticism of the political process, again.
They live in the self perpetuating delusion of the "mainstream" as defined by the corporate and national security state spin-masters. Yes, scorn is what they deserve; scorn and justice.
"...when a democracy's political establishment becomes as rotted and deceitful and corrupt as ours has become...the one encouraging sign is that a majority realizes how corrupt our establishment is and has stopped believing anything they say."
"This war has completely eroded the relationship between our Beltway ruling class and the rest of the country. That would normally be something to lament, but in this case, it is something to celebrate. The Beltway ruling class — political and media figures alike — deserves nothing but scorn and distrust."
What else could someone possibly add to these exerpts to express how the MAJORITY of Americans now feel about the deceptive crooks at the helm of our ship of state? I wonder if the 'gang' (appropriate, eh?) in DC who are intent on shoving this illegal war down our throats were given lie detector tests if it would show they really believe the crap coming out of their mouths, or if they know they aren't telling the truth? We are legions of people shouting at deaf & blind people, but we can't afford to be mute (or muted) on this issue.
Imagine, not even a single mention regarding the will of the Iraqi people. Guess part of being "liberated" is not having a say in whether some crazy white criminals should be allowed to freely rape, pillage and murder your country and your family and your friends.
The vast majority of Iraqis want the illegal occupation of their sovereign nation to end, yesterday, whether some asskissin general "advises" otherwise or a bunch of lyin' candidates offer an opinion worth a grain of sand.
Note to Salon: the United States of America is NOT at "war" with any country on the planet and you and your pals need to STOP referring to the illegal occupation as anything else. Rove is gone, and his "frames" should be gone with him. No "War," no Commander-in-Chief, no "war" powers. Get it?
I used to say that our press is just as corrupt as the old Pravda of the Soviet Union (ironically, "pravda" is "truth" in Russian). The difference is that the Russians knew they couldn't believe Pravda, and they either sought out the samizdat (underground press) or they read between the lines of Pravda to calculate what the truth might be. Meanwhile, Americans had childlike faith in their "free press."
So I mark it as a good thing that we are becoming more cynical about the press. Look what happened to the Soviet Union!
--some say the fatal excesses of the USSR proved once and for all that communism doesn't work...clearing the way for the USA to reign supreme, free to indulge in similar excesses now proving, once and for all, that capitalism doesn't work either. Regulated market economies such as the countries of western Europe seem to work best.
"....the overwhelming majority of the American people now harbor such intense distrust towards our political and media elite that they are virtually immune to any of these tactics."
I'm speechless!
I fervently agree with frank1569 that the unfortunate readiness to adopt a "war" lexicon for modern unprovoked military operations such as the illegal invasion and occupation of Iraq ought to be remedied.
But I don't expect it to happen. I've been asking "'War'? What 'war'?" since 2003 and everyone ignores the question or assumes I'm joking around.
Perverse though this may be, the three-letter word "war" has immense semantic power. It connotes an imperative use of unchecked power that demands unquestioning respect and support. Compared to technical terms like "police action", "peacekeeping troops", "military operation"-- war is trumps.
And indeed, freely using it to dignify the mega-buccaneering raid of the Iraq invasion-- except in the narrow, legalistic sense of "war of aggression"-- is a pernicious habit that inadvertently imputes a positive connotation that the referent does not merit.
in the echo chamber here the wishes of the liberated are like the sound of waves breaking on a distantocean. if we can have a conversation at least on whether what we're doing is good, or whether it's hurting people, that can include the assessment of all parties involved. if we can't have that conversation, we're stuck looking only at our strategic goals, and we end up discussing how big a bulldozer to use, how fast.
frank1569...
Well, said, Sir! You have saved me some typing. BUT will Salon or any of the other "alleged" progressive sites stop using WAR and other frame words?
http://www.dennis4president.com/home/
We've all noticed for awhile now that history repeats itself, but lately it seems to be getting actively senile.
How will the "Washington establishment" suffer from loss of trust by most Americans?
Is there a third party out there with any chance of replacing it?
If the lost trust isn't going to cost Washington insiders anything, then what is it except a little noise on the internet and a few signs on street corners?
It isn't like we're about to elect Kucinich, or a relatively clean outsider like Wesley Clark.
The influence of the left internet isn't exactly impressive... that whole agenda is in the toilet, from FISA to health care to Iraq.
Mr. Greenwald is exactly right, but is there any reason to believe that any of us can do anything about it? Blogs and signs on street corners aren't working. What next?
In this time of Crisis
With all the bad news emanating from the markets these days, one curious event stands out beyond all others and that is the almost total black-out of any news regarding J.P.Morgan Chase, and daily updates on the status of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. After all, these institutions are literally laces up one side and down the other with derivatives that have set the rest of the world's economies on their ears. Lets go down to the trading floor of the NY Stock exchange and see what we can find out.
Here's long-time veteran floor trader, and beloved contributor to our program Artfolio Schwartzencocker, lets see what he can tell us: "Hi Art, what can you tell us about the markets today"?
"Well Bill, the best way to describe trading of late, is to resort to that time honored slogan, 'it's a festerin' dog-turd out here kiddies, perfect time to find great leverage, so come-on in, the waters' as polluted as Nawlens at th breach".
"You're not just whistling Dixie Art; but tell me, why do you think the tank has been flushed, so to speak, Art"?
"Well Bill, best I can figure is that all the coke these ass clowns have snorted, smoked, and, or shoved up their collective asses all these decades has finally taken it's toll. Let's face it Bill, during high times, times is high, but times are so low now that they've took to huffing Off insect repellant."
"I'm certainly, spoon-fed-with-you-on-that Art, but didn't I just see Ben Bernzerkie of the Fed go by, bent over at the waste, with no pants, and a minor's lamp strapped over his crevice"?
"Right you are, Bill, he said he's out to find some answers for the American sheeple, and he's looking for the J.P.Morgan trading desk."
"Well, we will certainly be looking forward to that Art, and by the way Art, is that a kilbossa in your pocket"?
"No Bill, being a good Republican, there is always something about other people loosing their collective asses that excites th shit out of me; that and seeing a high ranking fed guy with a minors lamp strapped to his necked ass, wandering aimlessly here at the exchange I guess."
O.K. Art, but before we end, what can you tell us about Fannie and Freddie"?
Well Bill, you don't wanna go there while 'da minor's in da house', if you catch my drift."
"Not really Art but thanks for your usual, artful dodgery, and we'll be schmoozing with you later."
There is little doubt that General Petraeus will promote the White House's warmongering agenda in his testimony. Somewhat less certain is how members of Congress will react when he does so. From a psychological perspective, warmongering often "works" because we fail to confront it with cogent and uncompromising counter-arguments. We find such resistance to be especially difficult when the warmongers target our core concerns about personal and collective vulnerability, injustice, distrust, superiority, and helplessness. I apply this analysis to the Bush administration's war in Iraq—and its possible plans for an attack on Iran—in a 10-minute online video entitled "Resisting the Drums of War." The video examines ten warmongering appeals and counterarguments against them. It's available for viewing HERE.
This is one of those RARE items of good news. If only everyone could realise that they are like mushrooms (kept in the dark and fed bullshit). Somehow I dont quite beleive that it is happening yet, but this article gives me hope.
I must state on the outset that I am not being sarcastic before I go on. If the opinions on this board represent the majority of Americans, that the Americans have lost faith in their mainstream politicians and media people of the ruling political class, then the only question remains is this: Do we want the killings and sufferings of the American and Iraqi peoples to reach their peak and end soon or do we want to have it dragged out until the end of the decade?
If we want the nightmare to be over sooner then elect the Republicans in the coming election. We can be sure that they will ratchet the conflict up a few more notches quickly which may include the attacks on Iran.
This will bring on a bigger military quagmire and the attendant economic near-collapse.
It is clear that more sessions with the psychiatrists won't help, the patients in this case being the rulers and their sycophantic mainstream media people and the psychiatrists being the opinionated American individuals. What we need now is "electric shock-therapy" for our patients. Trust the Republicans to bring on this drastic treatment to rid themselves of this American delusion and return us to sanity. Nothing works like defeat on a big scale to sober up the delusioned.
I don't see how we can do anything more useful than to call on the angelic realms to come help us save our beloved earth. We live in a dreadful scourge of a nation right now and unless we can get this "ship of state" turned around, we will succumb to the sinister forces at work on the earth today. I am 60 years old and I have never been more discouraged dismayed and disgusted by this country I live in.
I like how you put various phrases, such as, "Surge is Succeeding," in capital letters, Glenn. I can *totally* relate to the dripping sarcasm as I have been duped time and again by the Stupid Pundits, only to be left fuming by the Total Crap just discussed. None of those Asshole Pollsters ever come to my freakin' door and ask for my opinion. Damn, their ears would melt off!
It doesn't matter how Petreaus paints The Debacle in Iraq, the US military won't be leaving there any time soon. And not for any of the reasons that the Stupid Pundits or our elected officials will be telling us, either. IMHO, the reason the Democrats appear so limp-wristed is because they aren't being honest about our reason for being there. There's only one: OIL and the protection of it from the Evil-Doers, oh wait, the evil-doers (the *real* Evil-Doers are the ones who call the others evil-doers), or the "Axis of Evil", like that's even accurate...What a Schmuck.
What pisses me off more than anything is that while Congress hems and haws about what to do and Waits Until September, time and money is being wasted Over There that would be better spent Over Here, developing sources of fuel to free us from our dependence on foreign oil. Think of all the jobs that would produce how they would Stimulate the American Economy.
It's about Renewable Sources of Energy, assholes. Start talking about that and see how your polls look then, you fucks! Hear that Loud Click? That's the sound of my TV being turned off so I don't have to listen to your Bullshit anymore.
PrestonDigitator, your "news story" has me ROTFLMFAOWTSDMC's. '...bent over at the waste, with no pants, and a minor's lamp strapped over his crevice"?', gawd that is precious!
"the one encouraging sign is that a majority realizes how corrupt our establishment is and has stopped believing anything they say".
Boy I wish that was true, but, my gut feeling is that most are more concerned with the start of the football season, then truth.
Jacob Freeze September 9th, 2007 8:23 pm
"How will the "Washington establishment" suffer from loss of trust by most Americans?
If the lost trust isn't going to cost Washington insiders anything, then what is it except a little noise on the internet and a few signs on street corners?"
Good questions, Jacob.
My plan for the presidential primary is to vote for DENNIS KUCINICH since he seems to be the only one willing to stop this occupation and deliver us from the evil of the WTO and other trade agreements that were written "by and for coprorations" and have no loyalty to the United States or its citizens.
In the event I am dissatisfied with the performance of my Congressman and/or Senators whose names appear on the ballot, I intend to either leave it blank or write in the name of a deceased, yet admirable politician like Thomas Jefferson. No longer will I play the game of the lesser of the evils.
As more of us change our voting behavior, others will begin to realize that it's actually possible to elect politicians who care about average citizens. It may take a while before the majority will do the same, but we must start somewhere. If we continue to reward insiders who are determined to conduct business "as usual", then we deserve to suffer the unhappy consequences resulting from that decision.
Many will argue that it is stupid to do such a thing, but let's not kid ourselves, we're being manipulated and screwed by certain members from both parties. I would argue that it is stupid to continue on the same path of empire building while hundreds of thousands of innocent people continue to die because we didn't have the courage to take a stand against some of the politicians committed to this pathological behavior.
The Dems are circling the wagons with their Repug comrades - it's a sign of ruling class desperation. They genuinely fear that the people will appropriately pin full blame for 9/11 and all troubles on THEM, the ruling class.
Glenn Greenwald, like all comentators, candidates and political leaders, misses the mark. General Petraeus offers only a piece of the report focused on certain military performance and Greenwald dissects it very well. Outside of Petraeus, other equally important issues deal with the Iraqi police, economic and diplomatic progress.
Most importantly, Iraq is just a piece of the larger Middle East crisis that includes Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iran, Israel, Turkey, and possibly Darfur/Sudan.
Iraq could be reduced to a second tier issue following: 1) terrorism and urban street crime; 2) universal health care; and, 3) pocketbook issues such as health care, education, good jobs, foreign trade and immigration.
Republicans, candidates and leaders with bully pulpits can influence the Bush Administration to make immediate course adjustments. We are still looking for that leader who rises above partisan party politics and reaches us voters during the primary and general election.
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Thank you i-gawdess. I guess I get so stressed with it all sometimes that I have to escape into fantacyland and take some chuckles with me...glad to get your positive response. gotta' admit I'm still working on the 'wtsdmc's part, but who doesn't love a tasty nanogram. (can i claim that I tickled your fancy?.... you know how we guys like to brag & all)
Fuck george bush,and his greedy war
Fuck the pudgy,pink,four eyed whore
Fuck the most trusted one who swore
"the beast is on the loose"
Fuck the ice queen,empty scholar
Fuck kbr's gutter crawler
Fuck the rummy,viscious mauler
each neck should find a noose
PrestonDigitator,
Like irishgawdess, I too was LMAO - that was classic! I agree that sometimes you have to go to sanity somewhere else to get away from the insanity in the world, or at least pop a couple of aspirin to dull the after effect of constantly banging your head against the brickwall.
Thank you, Glenn Greenwald, for refuting (without directly mentioning) Ira Chernus' unfortunate & ludicrous non-analysis that contended Democrats were only following the voters.
"when a democracy's political establishment becomes as rotted and deceitful and corrupt as ours has become — enabling the most unpopular President in modern American history to continue what is so blatantly a senseless war for years and years, in complete defiance of what Americans want — the one encouraging sign is that a majority realizes how corrupt our establishment is and has stopped believing anything they say."
The regime is utterly hollow, and few outside the toxic reach of Rockefeller Center, Fox News, or K Street believe any of the shite any more -- and maybe even they, like the bureaucrats at the tail end of the USSR, don't believe it either . . .
Every single one of you posters, you pleasure-principle people, is disgusting for your focus on the splinter in the eye of another whilst you remain oblivious to the log in your own.
you have each been accused of your premeditated crime here:
http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/09/05/3634/
So Xavier Onassis, after reading the link, and your garrulous diatribe, you basically are accusing us all of being anti-communist??
jeff best___You have a real way with words, jeff. One of the best poems I remember seeing, have you thought about publishing? Bet you could attract some notice pretty quick.
For everyone else, these discussions remind me of a bunch of cattle milling around in a pen outside the slaughter plant___ they know something is going to happen and it will not be good, and they are powerless to prevent it. Sorry to be so pessimistic, but the last six years have been like a nightmare, and I am hoping to wake up someday to Ronnie Reagans "Morning in America" although not to his philosophy.
First we had the ads "featuring military veterans," which were aimed directly at congressional opposition to the President's surge strategy. Then major newspaper columnists, even including news anchor Katie Couric, which were flown into Iraq and were given well-organized, well-scripted tours and sent back home to write news releases about modest, but upbeat, "progress."
Now we have the full-scale media spectacle of testimony to Congress by General Petraeus and Ambassador Crocker, along with the delivery of the Petraeus Report which, thanks to the Los Angeles Times, we now know was actually written not in Baghdad by the general and ambassador, but in the White House.
Think of it this way: The most political general in recent memory has been asked to assess his own work, as has our ambassador in Iraq, and then present "recommendations" to the White House in a "report" that is actually being written in the White House. No one in the media or Congress or the general public should take this situation seriously as unbiased "news" ; in reality it is deception in the form of White House propaganda but named the "Petraeus Report." Shame on the general and the ambassador for using White House recommendations to Bush and calling them their own. Shame on Bush for again attempting to deceive the public.
Are there a million people on their way to the Washington Mall to protest? Is there a movement of many millions of US citizens to form a political party which will oppose policies sought by corporate America? Are tens of millions of Americans turning off their TVs and radios and starting to think independently?
No, no and no.
Fifty years ago US citizens were ludicrously ready to hide under their beds and desks from Russian bombs. Five years ago they believed Iraq had engineered 9-11. Between those two delusional episodes, they watched as their government attacked fifty other countries militarily, and barely uttered little whimpers of protest. Most of them still think the US is "the greatest country in the world" and that Bush & Cheney are aberrations. The country's political culture is delusional, dangerous, and the public that sustains it has been numbed by fifty years of mass media advertising and propaganda. Revolution? Forget it. As a democracy, the country is toast.
Hey Gail...
I also like Kucinich, and maybe you're right about voting for him no matter which triangulator the Democrats nominate.
Kucinich is honest, meaning he doesn't have to ask a focus-group what he thinks before he thinks it, he was right about the invasion of Iraq from before the beginning, and his social agenda actually reflects what most Americans want, instead of what the multi-nationals want to tell us that we want.
Apropos of not much, I read an interesting story about Clarence Darrow...
He was representing a couple of union guys who bombed the LA Times, and his plan for the trial was to celebrate them as heroes of the working class, instead of trying to prove them innocent, and then get them off by bribing the jury.
I admire Glenn Greenwald, but sometimes I get tired of him telling me what I already know, so I just browse around on Wikipedia, and...
That's how they unionized the LA Times.
claudius, a one million dollar reward to you if you can find one hint of supporting communism in anything i have written about marrying justice to capitalism to attain democracy.
try again, mr. disingenuous criminal
Tell your senators and representative that if they vote for the supplemental war funding bill coming up this month you will not vote for them the next time they run for office.
Tell them that partial withdrawal timeline amendments are not enough. A partial withdrawal means permenent occupation and permanent war. They must vote against the supplemental, regardless of amendments.
Cut the funding, stop the war!
Lynn Porter
http://lynnporter.wordpress.com/
claudius, within my comment i linked to was another common dreams link. go there, and answer the two simple yes-or-no questions asked of everyone, or go crouch down and lick the hands which feed you, may your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were incapable of having a D'oh! moment.
apologies to Samuel Adams
"marrying justice to capitalism to attain democracy"
Or, as the French say, A little more lubricant & a little more patience & an elephant can bugger an ant.
RE: PrestonDigitator September 9th, 2007 8:37 pm
I love it, man, keep it up.
Until the US populace gets the courage to take to the streets and follow the example of Gandhi's non-violent marches and demonstrations nothing will change. The people have got to WANT the Constitution restored enough to ACT accordingly. If there is no such desire, there will will be no more US Constitution (except in name only).
Things will change only when the populace is alienated and hopeless.
Then they may :
STAND UP - for what they beleive to be right.
SIT DOWN - in the nearest street to bring transportaion, retail, everything to a standstill.
FIGHT - I hope like Gandhi's Pathan friend Badshar Khan(Khan Abdul Ghaffar Khan) (check him out)a Pashtun nonviolent Muslim
FIGHT - Even if it means sacrifice to themselves to totally repudiate the oligarchy
FIGHT - As if their lives depend on active resistance - which they do
When people realize that they cannot ignore the actions of the government and relaize they themselves are the governmet, only then is change possible.
What a shame to let cowardice bring down such a noble experiment of human governance!!
Here are some comments by a man who stood by Gandhi - Badshah Khan, who led a 100,000 person army of non-violent Pashtuns from the Khyber pass region. He was a Pashtun (Afghan) political and spiritual leader known for his non-violent opposition to British Rule during the final years of the Empire on the Indian sub-continent. He was a lifelong pacifist and a devout Muslim. He was known as Badshah Khan (sometimes written as Bacha Khan), the `King of Chiefs', and `Frontier Gandhi'.
"To me nonviolence has come to represent a panacea for all the evils that surround my people. Therefore I am devoting all my energies toward the establishment of a society that would be based on its principles of truth and peace." –
Khan Abdul Ghaffar Khan
"Today's world is traveling in some strange direction. You see that the world is going toward destruction and violence. And the specialty of violence is to create hatred among people and to create fear. I am a believer in nonviolence and I say that no peace or tranquility will descend upon the people of the world until nonviolence is practiced, because nonviolence is love and it stirs courage in people." – Khan Abdul Ghaffar Khan to an interviewer in 1985
His story is contained in 'Nonviolent Soldier of Islam: Badshah Khan, A Man To Match His Mountains', by Eknath Easwaran (Published by Nilgiri Press).
Also see NPR highlights:
http://www.npr.org/programs/musings/2003/jan/khan.html?sc=emaf
Gail September 9th, 2007 10:22 pm
"In the event I am dissatisfied with the performance of my Congressman and/or Senators whose names appear on the ballot, I intend to either leave it blank or write in the name of a deceased, yet admirable politician like Thomas Jefferson. No longer will I play the game of the lesser of the evils."
Assuming you are still talking about primaries; if they allow write ins and you want to get their attention write in the name of your areas Green or Libertarian candidate
Lobo Gris
Word association test:
Bush:-----Intransigent
Congress:--Impotent
US Public---Irrelevant
"Victory"----Illusion
The media is the problem. If we did not have a corporate lapdog media, the war would already be over, Bush-Cheney would be impeached by now, and it would be "morning in America."
The US news media has moved beyond being a bad joke to criminal malfeasance. Our soldiers are dying overseas because the Hairstyle Journalists on TV forcefeed the US public garbage about Lindsay Lohan, obesity, Paris Hilton, sports, and American Idol.
ps if you want to see the height of waselry, check out the side blog entitled, "Fasters urge congress to Cancel Poor Countries Debt", and look for my analysis.
The question is, for how long will the American people continue to support political parties that do not support the policies they want?
Meanwhile, back to analysis of the important news of what happened in week 1 of the NFL.
Ben Franklin underestimated when he said 9 of 10 men are suicides. Not a single one of you tragicomedic suicides gets it. You continuously fail to correctly identify the enemy, the problem, the root cause of 99% of preventable human misery whilst you whistle past the graveyard.
LISTEN to yourselves chit-chatting on as you please, pulling leaves as is your wont, while the world writhes in hell utterly needlessly, result of your failing to limit personal fortunes to the maximum self-earnable!
Have you people NO shame? NONE? Is there ANYTHING that can turn your hearts and minds to JUSTICE?
The PUBLIC is of the OPINION that it WANTS wealth-heaped power-giants to BEG your RIGHTS from FOREVER. And PUBLIC OPINION is getting exactly what it wants!
You are all proof of it!
Your endless beyatching here at Common Dreams is thus revealed as nothing more than you, exercising your egos, vanity, bovinity, and DENIAL. AND THUS KILLING THE EARTH BY DEFAULT.
PRETENDERS TO JUSTICE, Be RID of the idea of having wealthpower giants, or succumb to the result of having the next and the next and the next ad infinitum!!!
Give people their self-earnings, and no more, stop all the pays that are given for no-work, stop heaping dole after dole on billionaires while you continue the starving to starve!
My world would be rid of the diabolically stupid idea to have wealthpower giants, thus rid of all you sit on your asses and beyatch about, if only YOU weren't in love with the idea of YOUR being able to have legally, what others have earned!
You LOVE the fatal game of all-grab-all, grab off, grab back! You LOVE an inequity factor in the billions!
YOU WILL NOT CONDEMN IT, NOR EVEN SPEAK OF GETTING RID OF IT.
But, your silence on this matter of exactly how to easily create economic justice WILL NOT PROTECT YOU!
Your conscious and unconscious support for the idea of getting something for nothing is why they OWN YOUR LIVES.
You wring your hands and say "What can we do"? You tell each other there is nothing we can do!
You even call on the angels to save us!
WOULD YOU PLEASE GET REAL? WOULD YOU PLEASE DEAL WITH REALITY?
YOU HAVE THE ANSWER RIGHT UNDER YOUR NOSES! JUST SNIFF!
Tocqueville -
"The gradual development of the principle of equality is, therefore, a Providential fact. It has all the chief characteristics of such a fact: it is universal, it is durable, it constantly eludes all human interference, and all events as well as all men contribute to its progress.
"Would it, then, be wise to imagine that a social movement, the causes of which lie so far back, can be checked by the efforts of one generation? Can it be believed that the democracy which has overthrown the feudal system, and vanquished kings, will retreat before tradesmen and capitalists? Will it stop now that it has grown so strong, and its adversaries so weak? whither, then, are we tending" No one can say , for the terms of comparison already fail us."
angels to our rescue? indeed maybe so.
oh and responding to Xavier Onassis.
I take the Tocqueville quote to mean in part that - we live as we believe, everyday of our lives, and that has an effect.
Commondreams has seemed to me to be what it claims to be, and in that respect all opinions are probably relevant.
Would you kindly explain how it is you are living? that would seem more relevant than you telling the readers here how they should live.
I believe the underlying principle here is "democracy" and your post sounds rather authoritarian in nature. I guess you know best?
In order to get the 'real' story, you need to visit:
http://www.cnn.com/
http://www.bbc.co.uk/
and http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/736515E4-37CE-4242-8A5F-854381D9DFEE.htm
Read the news in each story from each site and try to merge them all. Once you do that you will have a vague idea about what is really going on.
and an additional thought. I greatly admire the posts at Commondreams. They are generally very thoughtful. I read them as I read the articles.
In my own encounters with the elite in this country, I am in agreement with rtdrury's post that there is "a circling the wagons - it's a sign of ruling class desperation."
You can see evidence of this everywhere from the artificial shutting down of any kind of active dissent either in the media or on the street, which will and has never worked in the long run. As well as the ways the wealthy class are dealing with an encroachment on their private properties - in the exclusive communities where they live. After many years the parceling out of the earth and the land is being revealed as the absurd idea so eloquently rebutted by Chief Seattle many years ago. And will come back to haunt them I'm afraid, as it's unsustainable.
There is also this growing and remarkable separation between the ruling elites and the will of the people which the article takes note of. It doesn't take a huge effort to see that the attempt to subvert "reality" to some nightmare dream like thing is like trying to hold water in your hand. This has been more effective in previous times when "control," for one reason or another, was easier to maintain.
I imagine at some point in time an effort "to cull the human species." They think so little of us really. Take a look around.
Xavier Onassis,
I understand what you are saying. Here is my recommendation: if you don't have a hobby, get one!
PrestonDigitator September 9th, 2007 10:49 pm wrote: 'I'm still working on the 'wtsdmc's part, but who doesn't love a tasty nanogram. (can i claim that I tickled your fancy?…. you know how we guys like to brag & all)'
wtsdmc = with tears streaming down my cheeks (that's the point I know something is worth an acknowledgment!)
PD, tickled my fancy? Let's just say that after reading your initial post above, I was left in disarray, dewy-skinned, breathless, and well...smoking a cigarette! (And I am a non-smoker of 18 years now!)
I'm going to go see if I can find "Fasters Urge Congress...". After listening to all the drone-voiced bureaucrats above the din of backslapping on C-SPAN this a.m., I'm gonna need another poke in the funny bone...if you know what I mean ;; ;-P) (That's "wink, wink," she said smiling, tongue in cheek.)