Neocons Put on a Surge-Stravaganza
WASHINGTON -- With U.S. General David Petraeus's eagerly anticipated final report on Iraq due on Sep. 15, supporters of the troop surge are busily trying to set the stage for the report that they believe will refute their opponents.
The media blitz in Washington is unfolding under the backdrop of dwindling domestic and international support for the ongoing U.S. presence in Iraq.
In a worldwide poll released Friday and conducted by the BBC World Service, GlobeScan and the Program on International Policy Attitudes (PIPA), 67 percent of international respondents and 61 percent of U.S. citizens think the U.S. should withdraw within a year.
Progress in the troop surge has been slow and Petraeus's July interim report found mixed results, with only six of 18 congressional benchmarks for success in Iraq being met.
On Thursday, the right-leaning American Enterprise Institute (AEI) -- which has generally supported the George W. Bush administration's decisions in Iraq -- put on a marathon three-and-a-half hour series of panel discussions to promote AEI resident scholar Frederick Kagan's new report, "No Middle Way: The Challenge of Exit Strategies From Iraq".
Kagan challenges another recent report by the Center for a New American Security, which proposes a phased withdrawal from Iraq and a shift from the current U.S. role of performing security operations to an advisory and support role for the Iraqi police and military.
"...(The CNAS) report, like most middle-way strategies, mistakes the conditions that would make such a transition successful: when basic security has been established. Instead, it suggests than an immediate transition to an advisory role -- driven by hopes for bipartisanship in Washington but irrespective of the security situation in Iraq -- would allow the United States to withdraw most of its combat forces without compromising its interests," writes Kagan. "That conclusion is false."
The "No Middle Way" kickoff included surge-heavyweights such as Senator Lindsey Graham, a South Carolina Republican, the Brookings Institution's Michael O'Hanlon, retired U.S. Army General Jack Keane and AEI's Danielle Pletka and Gary J. Schmitt.
"Middle Way" proponents, however, did get their say with James N. Miller, the co-author of the CNAS report, titled "Phased Transition: A Responsible Way Forward and Out of Iraq", defending his report in one of the two panel discussions.
The lead-up to the Petraeus report -- which, the LA Times reported, "would actually be written by the White House, with inputs from officials throughout the government" -- has fanned the flames of debate over whether the surge is actually having its desired effect.
All the speakers at the AEI event, minus Miller, painted a positive image of post-surge Iraq, citing drops in sectarian violence and the impossibility of starting an immediate phased withdrawal based on timelines instead of improvements on the ground, both political and security related, which, they claim, would only lead to a failure in Iraq.
Meanwhile, public support for the U.S. military presence in Iraq is continuously dwindling. Proponents of the surge point to statistics showing decreases in sectarian bloodshed, but serious questions have been raised about the validity of this data.
Petraeus, in his upcoming report, is expected to cite a 75 percent decrease in sectarian attacks and a 17 percent decline in civilian casualties from December 2006 to August 2007.
However, an Associated Press report last week said that 1,809 civilian deaths occurred in August, making it the highest monthly casualty count this year, with 27,564 civilians killed since the AP began its data collection in April 2005.
Furthermore, a General Accounting Office (GAO) report -- criticized at the "No Middle Way" event -- found that the "average number of daily attacks against civilians have remained unchanged from February to July 2007."
Kagan, Keen and O'Hanlon discount such dire statistics as not being representative of the Iraq they have witnessed during week-long tours of the country.
Graham summed up the situation as either continuing with the surge and emerging victorious, or choosing a middle ground and facing certain defeat.
"My last visit convinced me more than anything else that the biggest benefit from the surge is to take the men and women on the frontlines and change their attitudes about their mission," said Graham. "They've gone from riding around waiting to be shot to feel like they're kicking their ass. God bless," Graham concluded.
The LA Times suggested on Aug. 25 that morale might not be "sky high" or "through the roof", as Graham claimed in his remarks Thursday.
"The latest in a series of mental health surveys of troops in Iraq, released in May, says 45 percent of the 1,320 soldiers interviewed ranked morale in their unit as low or very low. Seven percent ranked it high or very high," said the LA Times.
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Show AllI've had to think about General Petraeus's name.
Normally, making something of a person's name is unhealthy. For example, someone anonymously pointed out on another site that Barack Obama and Osama Bin Laden have similar names. In that case the writer was also inferring that both men are of color (it smells a bit of racism to me) and that both men were somehow on the same side (a truly bitter use of a turn of speech).
A betrayal of the nation or of the troops doesn't have to be the active handing over of information to an enemy, as was apparently done by the administration in the Valerie Plame case.
Norman Mailer wrote of another type of betrayal in "The Naked and the Dead". A GI was sent on a scouting mission, encountered a Japanese force, and returned. His sergeant ordered the GI to say he saw nothing. The lieutenant then took the platoon up the trail and got shot. The sergeant betrayed the trust of his superior officer and used the GI in the betrayal, causing death. A military tribunal would have imposed punishments on both conspirators, even the poor GI, if the matter had come to light.
Has a betrayal of the nation occurred in General Petraeus's lying to Congress? Yes, and Americans will die. Did General Petraeus mastermind the lying operation? No, but he followed orders from the Chief, and everyone knows this.
General Petraeus joined the military and did what he was told in wartime. I assume without checking that the man was brave and patriotic. But now he's a wealthy and powerful man, and in "just following orders" he has thrown in his lot with a gross, widespread, wartime betrayal of the nation, and Americans will die needlessly because of his actions. It's his fate, even as a pawn in the betrayal game, to wear the moniker "Betray us" for the rest of his life.
Why Bush (and the neocons) need to stay in Iraq
Bush invaded Iraq to "take out" Israel's implacable foe and Bush is staying in Iraq to re-open the old British oil pipeline from Kirkuk to Haifa (talk to any of the current veterans returning from Anbar province).
Oil from Iraq : An Israeli pipedream? Jane's Security News
http://www.janes.com/security/international_security/news/fr/fr030416_1_n.shtml
"All of this lends weight to the theory that Bush's war is part of a masterplan to reshape the Middle East to serve Israel's interests. Haaretz quoted Paritzky as saying that the pipeline project is economically justifiable because it would dramatically reduce Israel's energy bill. "
I'm not sure who has been "eagerly awaiting" Petreus's report; I've been dreading it. Madman Bush is so fixated on his crazy Iraq policy that he would never have appointed Petreus had he doubted that Petreus would faithfully support the Bush position. As this analysis suggests, the powerful evidence against Bush's policy is swept under the rug or attacked, and only the shreds that show "progress" are trumpeted. Violence in Iraq is not down; Iraq forces are unable to provide security; the Iraq government is impotent and fragmented; and no one ever asks what we expect to gain by staying there. And Lindsay Graham? An unprincipled sychophant. Remember his simpering pieties in the Clinton impeachment travesty? Don't trust anything the idiot says.
I just heard General Betray-us will give an interview exclusively on the Fox channel. Hiding behind a bush. We need to run the whole carnival out of town. Lay off all the bastards.
You don't think Ron Paul is racist? Did you not see the post I put up there earlier? Scroll up a bit and read it. Then tell me what you think.
And "America: Freedom to Fascism" is one of the biggest garbage films I've ever watched in my life. I would not take any tax advice from that movie. It's just a bunch of whiny libertarians trying their best to get out of paying their taxes. No sense of community whatsoever. Pathetic.
Kristina40 I have never seen anything to prove Ron Paul is racist other than people like your self claiming he is. He didn't vote for a hate crimes bill because he says all people deserve equal protection under the law, not special protection. That's the same thing he said when Google sponsored him, and doesn't mean the man is racist.
I was going to vote for Barack Obama, but I believe Ron Paul is the only candidate who will try to stop the US from policing the world, and get us out of Iraq.
If Ron Paul was pro corporation, the big news corporations wouldn't be trying to stonewall him the way they did Ralph Nader.
Check out Ron Paul at the Fox debate. It's fantastic. http://www.digg.com/videos/comedy/Ron_Paul_at_the_Fox_Debates
I would also like to recommend watching "Why We Fight." A film about the US Military Industrial Complex. "The Money Masters" and "America Freedom to Fascism" on the Federal Reserve.
Deepa thanks for the skunk story made my night! ROFL! :)
Hey! do you know this? This news says it all about the US president(s).
Bush, Clinton in Ukrainian zoo
Moscow, Sept. 9: Cellmates Bush and Clinton are the newest residents of an Ukrainian zoo, but they aren't complaining because the staff pamper them with fruit juice, their favourite drink.
The special pair, who are the last remaining skunks in captivity in the country, are named after current US President George W. Bush and former President Bill Clinton.
The animals, known for their ability to excrete a foul-smelling odour when alarmed, were presented to the zoo in Kharkov city as a gift two weeks ago. Their names were chosen to reflect the species' geographic origin — North America, said a spokesperson, adding the duo has not sprayed anyone with their trademark odour so far.
"Most of all, they like juices," a zoo official said when asked what the skunks' preferred. (PTI)
PaulMagillSmith September 9th, 2007 7:42 pm
"Tyrannies are only temporary!"
Oh, how I want to believe this with all my heart and soul!
They lied to get us into this war, so what sane person would be so foolish to believe they won't lie to keep us in it?
The real 'heroes' of this war are those who have consistantly fought in the war to get us out of this war. This task is so much more difficult that just picking up a gun to shoot complete strangers. It takes will, brains, determination, and yes strength to tackle the forces behind the most powerful military force the world has ever known.
WE will prevail, however, because truth, honesty, & decency are the most powerful of weapons, and regardless of how black the skies might seem at the moment, from a historical perspective with many examples...
"Tyrannies are only temporary!"
Oops! Thirdly.......the only Stravaganza I want to hear is the one Vivaldi composed in the 1750s, or somewhere in the 1700s.
"The latest in a series of mental health surveys of troops in Iraq, released in May, says 45 percent of the 1,320 soldiers interviewed ranked morale in their unit as low or very low. Seven percent ranked it high or very high," said the LA Times.
Frankly, I think the wrong people are being interviewed in this "mental health" survey. Secondly, it's not morale we should be surveying, but mental health, itself!
WHY THE DRAFT MUST BE REINSTATED
A draft would force diligence on those who send our troops to war, since it may involve their children or grandchildren. Meanwhile it would add awareness to the effects of the war on the home front.
It would also ease the need to lower standards in order to meet th enlistment quotas, hence resulting in an improved military.
Mr Rengel is right.
Bush told Prime Minister Howard of Australia that they're "kicking ass" in Iraq. Mr. "Tough Guy" AWOL George W. Bush avoided being sent to Vietnam while pretending to serve in the Nat'l Guard.
How embarrassing to have such a crude-talking, ignoramus of a president. Maybe he has flashbacks to when he was talking to another drunk at the bar. He also called Australia "Austria," and called the APEC meeting the "OPEC" meeting.......LOL
shikantaza--
Here are the reasons Ron Paul is a racist. I took this from a post by truthforall from http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/09/04/3597/ :
'"Opinion polls consistently show that only about 5 percent of blacks have sensible political opinions, i.e. support the free market, individual liberty and the end of welfare and affirmative action,"
"Given the inefficiencies of what D.C. laughingly calls the 'criminal justice system,' I think we can safely assume that 95 percent of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal,"
"If you have ever been robbed by a black teen-aged male, you know how unbelievably fleet-footed they can be."
"We don't think a child of 13 should be held responsible as a man of 23. That's true for most people, but black males age 13 who have been raised on the streets and who have joined criminal gangs are as big, strong, tough, scary and culpable as any adult and should be treated as such."
"We are constantly told that it is evil to be afraid of black men, it is hardly irrational. Black men commit murders, rapes, robberies, muggings and burglaries all out of proportion to their numbers."
Paul also claimed former President Bill Clinton not only fathered illegitimate children, but that he also used cocaine which "would explain certain mysteries" about the President's scratchy voice. "None of this is conclusive, of course, but it sure is interesting," he said.
When challenged on those remarks he blamed them on an aide that supposedly wrote them for his newsletter over a period of years. Are we to assume that he hadn't read his own newsletter? His newsletter with his name on it?
It isn't just Blacks that Paul has a problem with; it's also Asians, homosexuals, Jews, women, fornication, gambling, and the stock market.'
And the reason Libertarians are bad is because they have absolutely no sense of community. They are 100% for themselves. They don't care about the lives of anybody else, they just want to make sure they have every opportunity open to them, and to hell with the rest of the world. They don't care about civil rights as long as they aren't being bothered. They're ultra-capitalist. EVIL, in other words.
ARA Charleston, meet the Dixie Chicks; Dixie Chicks, meet ARA Charleston.
Where I come from polishing a turd is still polishing a turd. It remains a piece of shit regardless of how shiny it may become from the polishing.
Kristina40 September 8th, 2007 4:16 pm
Oh please with that Ron Paul is the only way out bullshit. The guy is a racist asshole that embraces corporate greed like Senator Craig embraces strange men in restrooms. Enough with Paul already, he's no progressive, he's a libertarian dirt bag..
2 things Kristina - what do you know about Ron Paul being a racist - post some links please. Secondly, given that the situation we are in as a nation has been brought about by Democrats and Republicans, when did libertarians become the dirt bags?
Hey, folks, it's just unrestrained capitalism - there will probably be another bunch if this crap ever ends.
Jim Glover,
Thanks for the link. Obviously the MSM gutted most of the speech (the most important parts, no surprise).
It seems the full text of Bin Laden's latest video has been censored but I found it here if you can get it before it is gone.
http://infidelsarecool.com/2007/09/08/new-bin-laden-video/
Can we not call a lie a lie? Bush needs to get a gargantuan backlash for what will probably be yet another occasion to be lying his butt off. There are the sources cited in the article that are third party observers showing little or no progress. Then you have Paul Krugman's article citing the way the military generates its numbers by such strategies as a bullet in the front of the head is blamed on insurgents whereas a bullet in the back of the head is accidental and doesn't count. Sounds exactly like the body count lying in the Vietnam War.
Neo Con think tanks like AEI or PNAC are sickening. They a true believers in the Iraq War to advance the cause of the American Empire. None of these people have relatives on active duty in Iraq, none have military experience and most are directly profitting from the military industrial complex corporations making profits hand over fist in Iraq despite extreme incompetency and corruption. Everything they are saying can be reduced down to their need to find stand in casualties to they can "stay the profits." Much of what is being said promotes and Israeli agenda.
This time around, how about the liars getting new orofices ripped? The neo cons need to show us their sacrifice or shut the (bleep!) up.
WMC: I "second" your strategy for a draft upon whose children...
CENTRAL SCRUTINIZED says, "Republicians seem to have bigger cojones." Frankly, given the telling list offered by Ken Mitchell leads to the completely opposite conclusion. What are balls? To pretend war, and let someone else's kids die for your pseudo-cause, or get out there and learn through the brutal waste of this experience what NOT to invest in?
The Dems and Reps are cut from the same cloth. Arguing over the differences is not helping our cause...our cause is trying to stop the necons from launching further destabilizing wars and destroying what remains of our civil liberities. They are already threatening Syria and Syria and Iran have a a mutual defense pact this will quickly escalate into war with Iran which is their end goal. Plenty of Dems as well as Reps have cooperated with the neocon agenda. Others have spoken out against it. We need to support those who stand up to it regardless of that party...otherwise the divide and conquer strategy suceeds. No more wars. I will point out that Nancy Pelosi was more than happy to take out the provision in the Iraq funding bill stating that Congress would have to declare war on Iran. Both parties serve the same corporate, defense, and other masters.
Chunga's Revenge-
You're right, but you missed the worst one of all: the Democratic Party was the party that started the American Civil War, the bloodiest conflict in our history. They also got us entangled in WWI.
Ken Mitchell-
Thanks for the list. But since I don't believe in military/war/armed forces anyway, that only makes me think that the Democrats are warmongers who know what war is like and the Republicans are warmongers who have no idea what war is like.
Kristina40--
Once again we agree 100% about Ron Paul. He's not the lesser of two evils, he's the worst of 1,000,000 evils.
"With U.S. General David Petraeus's eagerly anticipated final report on Iraq due on Sep. 15, supporters of the troop surge are busily trying to set the stage for the report that they believe will refute their opponents."
This is a joke, right? Fifty three percent of those polled already believe it will be a pack of typical Bush administration lies. The only two people left in the whole country who think the "surge" is a "success" are David Brooks and William Kristol. Even the mighty Pod has dropped out of his Little Miss Sunshine routine.
Its amazing the lengths they have to go to in order to lie to us.
The General serves for the pleasure of the president. He and others on the above lists will have thier place in the war crimes trials to come. At this point, even the phoney bin-Laden video won't convince many people that the Cheney Bush actions have been anything but an utter disaster,
Recruitment for US armed services should be privatized and contracted out to the American Enterprise Institute (which used to supply office space to the PNAC, incidentally.) They're so gung-ho for continuing the war, let's see how they do recruiting Young Republicans, their own sons, daughters and grandchildren, or the sons, daughters and grandchildren of their corporate underwriters.
And if the AEI consists of true patriots, they should be willing to do it for free, eh?
Kristina40 September 8th, 2007 4:16 pm
Oh please with that Ron Paul is the only way out bullshit. The guy is a racist asshole that embraces corporate greed like Senator Craig embraces strange men in restrooms. Enough with Paul already, he's no progressive, he's a libertarian dirt bag..
FINALLY!! THANK YOU KRISTINA!!
Ken Mitchell: So what is it, exactly, about your DNC "war heroes" that makes them subservient puppets of the neo-con Republicans?
If Democrats are such heroes and rebels for freedom, why are Bush-Cheney not being impeached now?
If Democrats are so brave, why is Nancy Pelosi stonewalling Impeachment?
If Democrats are so courageous, why did John Conyers have Cindy Sheehan arrested for his refusal to do his constitutional duty?
If Democrats are such patriots, why did they give Bush a blank check on his anti-constitutional spy laws last month?
KEN MITCHELL____Great job on who are the real patriots in this country. We kind of knew it but your post really brings it out, what have those loudmouth warmongers done, to warrant casting derision on those of wanting to end this slaughter for oil and power?
Come now, does anyone think the General is going to tell King George that his plan isn't working? It is the General's duty to report success! King George deserves our utmost respect! It is a honor for a soldier to serve their King with their life if the need be! Common folks who do not respect authority and support the war carry dissent in their minds and hearts and they and their generations to come will pay dearly!
Casualties are down.
September 2006 saw 72 U.S. fatalities.
http://icasualties.org/oif/default.aspx
September 2007 shows only 18.
Irrefutable Bush logic.
Corporate Management is rolling out the latest campaign in support of its line of war products.
The salesmen are busy drumming up business.
Marketing is busy getting commercials out.
It's a tough sell, Iraq is old and the maintainence is killing us.
CD readers aren't buying it. Will Congress?
Chunga's Revenge, Chickenhawks refers to cowards who hide when called to war, and in their "safe" years, start wars for young people to fight. And JFK didn't start Vietnam, Eisenhower did. Eisenhower said "We can't allow a national election in Vietnam, Ho Chi Minh would win". JFK did escalate it, but in October 1963, said it was a mistake to get embroiled there. And yes, LBJ was a disaster, but Nixon lied about ending the war, and escalated it even more.
What I can't understand about the Iraq debacle is that the whole premise for the "surge" is the US Army's Counterinsurgency Manual: http://www.fas.org/irp/doddir/army/fm3-24fd.pdf
If one reads the Manual, one will realize that the US military and their mercenary adjuncts have yet to actually implement the strategy for waging a counterinsurgency as described in the Manual.
In other words, the "surge" was, in effect, designed to fail.
The machine has badly broken down.
Finally, as a retort to Bush: This is the "lesson of Vietnam: http://www.mishalov.com/Vietnam_Cu-Chi.html
It sure is good to know that the additional troops have turned things around and we have progressed from "riding around waiting to be shot to feel like they're kicking their ass". What a great measure of success. That should have been the top on the list of objectives. Doesn't kicking ass just make you feel good?
I don't mind the old fantasy of declaring victory and leaving, as long as we leave. Of course George now believes the mistake we made in Vientnam was leaving. My fear is that we will not leave ($600M embassy... world's largest) and Bush/Cheney will take the now "successful" democracy tour to Iran. Kicking Iranian ass will probably feel great.
Chunga, right as you are, no democrat would have started this "War without end". All of these politicians are cut from the same cloth. Republicians seem to have bigger cojones. Too bad. Maybe someday the dems will grow a pair. (I'm not holding my breath.)
Ken Mitchel seems to want us to believe that only repugs are chicken hawks, that it is rupugs who start wars. This is nonsense! JFK got us embroiled in Viet Nam, and we all saw LBJ's hawkishness. how about FDR and WWII, the list goes on. While I find chicken hawks thoroughly disgusting and without a shred of credibility, lets not fool ourselves into believing that Democrat of all people are going to put a stop to this War without end.
Hey, DCBeltway, how did Zbiggy Brzezinski get on your neocon list? He has been talking real sense since the beginning of this thing.
Otherwise, your list, and the data offered by Ken Mitchell are really instructive. Thanks.
Betrayus will smile gently and report to Congress that white evangelical cannibals have made significant progress in subduing the insurgency. Lindsey Graham will wear hot pink KKK robes and ignite a burning cross on the White House lawn. Congress will fall to the floor speaking in tongues and give another $200 Billion in thanks chanting glorious political drivel for an eager media lined up outside the men's toilet waiting for insider information tapped out by foot in Morse code. An avalanche of campaign donations will then pour into the pockets of Democratic candidates who will purchase stock in military oil complex corporations and take their favorite lobbyist out to dinner.
"They've gone from riding around waiting to be shot, to feel like they're kicking their ass. God bless," Senator Lindsey Graham concluded.
...er... would that be the same God who has consistently said stuff like, 'Thou shalt not kill" ? -or maybe a lesser sort of being (-maybe one with horns) who's being called upon to "bless" the illegal invaders as they rip fellow human beings to shreds?
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Ken Mitchell: An educative list! -thankyou.
Let me remind of everyone of a some real sticking points.Their were no WMDs found and the suppose links to Al-Qaida did not exist. So,these augments about withdrawal, and surge should not even be taking place.
The whole damn so-called war is based on falsehoods and out right lies.
The U.S. needs to pay war reparations, to the Iraqi people,then get the hell out, and leave the people to try put back together what the U.S. as destroyed.
Oh, one more point. When is someone going to ask the Iraqi people what they want?
The main reason that the sectarian violence is down in Baghdad, is that it has been ethnically cleansed of all Sunnis.
The car bombs go on and on.
Oh please with that Ron Paul is the only way out bullshit. The guy is a racist asshole that embraces corporate greed like Senator Craig embraces strange men in restrooms. Enough with Paul already, he's no progressive, he's a libertarian dirt bag..
Here's a piece about the far right hypocracy. Just keeps going and going and going...
Anybody see any hypocrisy here?
Democrats:
* Richard Gephardt: Air National Guard, 1965-71.
* David Bonior: Staff Sgt., Air Force 1968-72.
* Tom Daschle: 1st Lt., Air Force SAC 1969-72.
* Al Gore: enlisted Aug. 1969; sent to Vietnam Jan. 1971 as an army
journalist in 20th Engineer Brigade.
* Bob Kerrey: Lt. j.g. Navy 1966-69; Medal of Honor, Vietnam.
* Daniel Inouye: Army 1943-47; Medal of Honor, WWII.
* John Kerry: Lt., Navy 1966-70; Silver Star, Bronze Star with Combat
V, Purple Hearts.
* Charles Rangel: Staff Sgt., Army 1948-52; Bronze Star, Korea.
* Max Cleland: Captain, Army 1965-68; Silver Star & Bronze Star, Vietnam.
* Ted Kennedy: Army, 1951-53.
* Tom Harkin: Lt., Navy, 1962-67; Naval Reserve, 1968-74.
* Jack Reed: Army Ranger, 1971-1979; Captain, Army Reserve 1979-91.
* Fritz Hollings: Army officer in WWII; Bronze Star and seven campaign
ribbons.
* Leonard Boswell: Lt. Col., Army 1956-76; Vietnam, DFCs, Bronze
Stars, and Soldier's Medal.
* Pete Peterson: Air Force Captain, POW. Purple Heart, Silver Star and
Legion of Merit.
* Mike Thompson: Staff sergeant, 173rd Airborne, Purple Heart.
* Bill McBride: Candidate for Fla. Governor. Marine in Vietnam; Bronze
Star with Combat V.
* Gray Davis: Army Captain in Vietnam, Bronze Star.
* Pete Stark: Air Force 1955-57
* Chuck Robb: Vietnam
* Howell Heflin: Silver Star
* George McGovern: Silver Star & DFC during WWII.
* Bill Clinton: Did not serve. Student deferments. Entered draft but received #311.
* Jimmy Carter: Seven years in the Navy.
* Walter Mondale: Army 1951-1953
* John Glenn: WWII and Korea; six DFCs and Air Medal with 18 Clusters.
* Tom Lantos: Served in Hungarian underground in WWII. Saved by Raoul Wallenberg.
* John Murtha: Marines, Vietnam, Purple Heart, Bronze Star
Republicans -- These are the guys sending people to war:
* Dick Cheney: did not serve. Several deferments, the last by marriage.
* Dennis Hastert: did not serve.
* Tom Delay: did not serve.
* Roy Blunt: did not serve.
* Bill Frist: did not serve.
* Mitch McConnell: did not serve.
* Rick Santorum: did not serve.
* Trent Lott: did not serve.
* John Ashcroft: did not serve. Seven deferments to teach business.
* Jeb Bush: did not serve.
* Karl Rove: did not serve.
* Saxby Chambliss: did not serve. "Bad knee." The man who attacked Max Cleland's patriotism.
* Paul Wolfowitz: did not serve.
* Vin Weber: did not serve.
* Richard Perle: did not serve.
* Douglas Feith: did not serve.
* Eliot Abrams: did not serve.
* Richard Shelby: did not serve.
* Jon Kyl: did not serve.
* Tim Hutchison: did not serve.
* Christopher Cox: did not serve.
* Newt Gingrich: did not serve.
* Don Rumsfeld: served in Navy (1954-57) as flight
instructor.
* George W. Bush: failed to complete his six-year National Guard; got assigned to Alabama so he could
campaign for family friend running for U.S. Senate;
failed to show up for required medical exam,
disappeared from duty.
* B-1 Bob Dornan: Consciously enlisted after fighting was over in Korea.
* Phil Gramm: did not serve.
* John McCain: Silver Star, Bronze Star, Legion of Merit, Purple Heart
and Distinguished Flying Cross.
* Dana Rohrabacher: did not serve.
* John M. McHugh: did not serve.
* JC Watts: did not serve.
* Jack Kemp: did not serve. "Knee problem," although continued in NFL for 8 years.
* Dan Quayle: Journalism unit of the Indiana National Guard.
* Rudy Giuliani: did not serve.
* George Pataki: did not serve.
* Spencer Abraham: did not serve.
* John Engler: did not serve.
* Lindsey Graham: National Guard lawyer.
* Arnold Schwarzenegger: AWOL from Austrian army base.
* Ronald Reagan: due to poor eyesight, served in a
non-combat role making movies.
Pundits & Preachers
* Sean Hannity: did not serve.
* Rush Limbaugh: did not serve (4-F with a 'pilonidal cyst.')
* Bill O'Reilly: did not serve.
* Michael Savage: did not serve.
* George Will: did not serve.
* Chris Matthews: did not serve.
* Paul Gigot: did not serve.
* Bill Bennett: did not serve.
* Pat Buchanan: did not serve. (Did oppose the war in Iraq)
* Bill Kristol: did not serve.
* Kenneth Starr: did not serve.
* Antonin Scalia: did not serve.
* Clarence Thomas: did not serve.
* Ralph Reed: did not serve.
* Michael Medved: did not serve.
* Charlie Daniels: did not serve.
* Ted Nugent: did not serve. (He only shoots at things that don't shoot back.)
* John Wayne: did not serve.
* Gerald Mcraney: did not serve. Played a Vietnam Vet
on 3 TV shows (Simon & Simon, Major Dad, and Promise
Land)
Deport the Traitors! (list from sourcewatch)
See the neo-conservative entry for background information.
Elliott Abrams (PNAC)
Ken Adelman
Richard Armitage (PNAC)
John David Ashcroft
Fred Barnes
Gary Bauer
William J. Bennett (PNAC)
Jeffrey Bergner (PNAC)
John Bolton (PNAC)
Max Boot
Ellen Bork
Paul Bremer Lewis Paul "Jerry" Bremer III
David Brooks
Shoshana Bryen
Stephen D. Bryen
Zbigniew Brzezinski
Stephen A. Cambone
Eliot A. Cohen
Midge Decter
Paula J. Dobriansky (PNAC)
Thomas Donnelly
John Doolittle
Douglas Jay Feith
David Frum
Francis Fukuyama (PNAC)
Frank J. Gaffney, Jr. (PNAC)
Reuel Marc Gerecht (PNAC)
Newt Gingrich
Joshua Goldberg
Owen Harries
Bruce P. Jackson
Michael Johns
Robert Kagan (PNAC)
Zalmay Khalilzad (PNAC)
Jeane Kirkpatrick
Henry Kissinger
Neal Kozodoy
Charles Krauthammer
Irving Kristol
William Kristol (PNAC)
Michael Arthur Ledeen
Jay Lefkowitz
I. Lewis Libby a.k.a. "Scooter"
Michael H. Mobbs
Joshua Muravchik
Rupert Murdoch
Richard J. Neuhaus
Michael Novak
Martin Peretz
Richard N. Perle (PNAC)
Daniel Pipes
Norman Podhoretz
Howard Raines
Peter W. Rodman (PNAC)
Karl Rove
Donald H. Rumsfeld (PNAC)
Richard Mellon Scaife
Gary J. Schmitt
William Schneider, Jr. (PNAC)
Abram N. Shulsky
Robert W. Tucker
Harlan Ullman
Vin Weber (PNAC)
Paul Dundes Wolfowitz (PNAC)
R. James Woolsey, Jr. (PNAC)
David Wurmser
Meyrav Wurmser
Dov Zakheim
Karl Zinsmeister
Robert B. Zoellick
Their strategies are all wrong because they project from a corrupted base.
I wasn't eagerly awaiting this report. I realize it's all smoke and mirrors.
9/11 was an inside job.
So, that is what Graham and Bush are about... "kicking ass." Kind of like "wanted dead or alive" or "bring it on." How disappointing.
the south, as a group, has always been home to more war-mongering and god-proseletysers and bigoted nigger-hating bunches of a-holes than any other part of the usa. why should their senators be any different?
I've said it before and I'll say it again. I am ashamed to be from the state that is represented by Lindsey Graham, the most warmongering senator in office.
The list is not my own...cannot take credit there. Its from an excellent website called SourceWatch where you can find all sorts of great info about the players who make policy in DC:
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Neo-conservatives/list
It's Show Time.
Come on people, don't you believe our president? He's doing one heck of a job! Get aboard.
Where have all the soldiers gone
Long time passing
Where have all the soldiers gone
Long time ago
Gone to graveyards every one
When will they ever learn
When will they ever learn.......
My suggestion as theme music for your further betrayal of the American people, Bush and Betrayus,play it softly and slowly like a funeral dirge. I'm sure it would add a certain ambiance to your report.