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B-52 Mistakenly Flies with Nukes Aboard
A B-52 bomber mistakenly loaded with five nuclear warheads flew from Minot Air Force Base, N.D, to Barksdale Air Force Base, La., on Aug. 30, resulting in an Air Force-wide investigation, according to three officers who asked not to be identified because they were not authorized to discuss the incident.
The B-52 was loaded with Advanced Cruise Missiles, part of a Defense Department effort to decommission 400 of the ACMs. But the nuclear warheads should have been removed at Minot before being transported to Barksdale, the officers said. The missiles were mounted onto the pylons of the bomber's wings.
Advanced Cruise Missiles carry a W80-1 warhead with a yield of 5 to 150 kilotons and are specifically designed for delivery by B-52 strategic bombers.
Air Force spokesman Lt. Col. Ed Thomas said the transfer was safely conducted and the weapons were in Air Force custody and control at all times.
However, the mistake was not discovered until the B-52 landed at Barskdale, which left the warheads unaccounted for during the approximately 3 1/2 hour flight between the two bases, the officers said.
An investigation headed by Maj. Gen. Douglas Raaberg, director of Air and Space Operations at Air Combat Command Headquarters, was launched immediately to find the cause of the mistake and figure out how it could have been prevented, Thomas said.
Air Force officials wouldn't officially specify whether nuclear weapons were involved, in accordance with long-standing Defense Department policy regarding nuclear munitions, Thomas said. However, the three officers close to the situation did confirm the warheads were nuclear.
Officials at Minot immediately conducted an inventory of its nuclear weapons after the oversight was discovered, and Thomas said he could confirm that all remaining nuclear weapons at Minot are accounted for.
"Air Force standards are very exacting when it comes to munitions handling," he said. "The weapons were always in our custody and there was never a danger to the American public."
At no time was there a risk for a nuclear detonation, even if the B-52 crashed on its way to Barksdale, said Steve Fetter, a former Defense Department official who worked on nuclear weapons policy in 1993-94. A crash could ignite the high explosives associated with the warhead, and possibly cause a leak of the plutonium, but the warheads' elaborate safeguards would prevent a nuclear detonation from occurring, he said.
"The main risk would have been the way the Air Force responded to any problems with the flight because they would have handled it much differently if they would have known nuclear warheads were onboard," he said.
The risk of the warheads falling into the hands of rogue nations or terrorists was minimal since the weapons never left the United States, according to Fetter and Michael O'Hanlon, a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution, an independent research and policy think tank in Washington, D.C.
The crews involved with the mistaken load at the 5th Bomb Wing at Minot have been temporarily decertified from performing their duties involving munitions pending corrective actions or additional training, Thomas said.
Air Combat Command will have a command-wide mission stand down Sept. 14 to review their procedures in response to this oversight, he said.
"The Air Force takes its mission to safeguard weapons seriously," he said. "No effort will be spared to ensure that the matter is thoroughly and completely investigated."
©2007 Army Times Publishing Company
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Show AllThere is an interesting, foreboding, link at talkingpointsmemo regarding the five nukes on that B-52.
http://tpmcafe.com/blog/coffeehouse/2007/sep/05/staging_nuke_for_iran
It's a Dr. Strangelove reference -- HIGHLY accurate in this context -- and one of my all-time favorite movies... Too bad for us that many movies in that vein have been prophetic.
Regarding the reference, I got this off the net:
"an emergency war plan in which a lower echelon commander may order nuclear retaliation after a sneak attack if the normal chain of command has been disrupted"
KRISTINA40, good question. During the years of the 'cold' war, 50% of SAC's bombers were "cocked" on full alert, loaded with atomic bombs 24-7. A base's alert force of an average of eight aircraft, could all be airborne in less than 15 minutes of the time the horn went off. I do not remember now the total amount of aircraft on full alert around the world, but it was more than two hundred.
On the final day of the Cuban Missile Crisis, our bombers did launch off of alert. It was the only time I know of it ever occured. Our flight crews were briefed, ___ they would be hitting their targets. Scary? It could not have been scarier. When our aircraft reached the re-fuel areas near Spain and those over the Arctic refuel zone that day, the number of radio calls coming in was mind boggling. We came within ten minutes of world war three and Armageddon. Very few were ever aware of that. Kennedy and Kruchev almost did it. What actually saved us, were some Russian nuclear Submarine Commanders, who refused to fire their ICBM missiles. They'd lost radio contact with Russia and surfaced to confirm their prior orders. They were then ordered to stand down; had they followed their first orders,____ KA-BOOM!___ Ten minutes after the time they had been ordered to commense fire, they surfaced and received the order to stand down and return to home base. Meanwhile, our bombers were circling the Soviet Union, ___ ready to strike with hundreds of 20 megaton atomic bombs. Of course so were our atomic subs and ICBM silos prepared to fire.
That's why we flew with atomic bombs on B-47s, 52s and B-58s Kristina, pretty stupid, but it worked,___ we never did it. ___ Almost did, and with the president we have now, anything might happen.
From the late 1950s thru the 1980s, SAC flew airborne alert aircraft, approx 14 a day, 24-7. Those "Chrome Dome" mission aircraft were armed with atomic bombs, the big ones, and or "Quails", which were pilotless drones that looked like a B-52 on radar. The enemy would see five aircraft approaching, but didn't know which of the five was the real bomber.
During those years, we managed to "lose" at least 20 nuclear bombs in the oceans, or on land, and many have never been located or retrieved. The same problem exists with nuclear subs, both American and those of other nations, subs which were lost at sea. There are a lot of neat bombs and deadly atomic reactors lying in the oceans of the world. Everyone should go out and sniff some flowers, relax and enjoy life, sometimes its shorter than it should be.
"Air Combat Command will have a command-wide mission stand down Sept. 14 to review their procedures in response to this oversight, he said."
Oh boy. Here it comes! They stand down the combat aircraft and open the doors for the next attack 3 days after the sixth
anniversary of 911. Get ready for marshal law, America.
You cant make this stuff up! Great article! Al-Qeada did it. Those in the know,know differently.
The sheep continue to graze...... "Aint it grand were free Ma????!!!!
(Maybe they were going to be "mistakenly" dropped on China or Russia.)
yeah, what in the bejeebers is this plan R. Anybody?
Too many people had to know about the nukes being moved for this to be a mistake.
Too many checks were violated.
Something is going on, and some patriot blew the whistle.
MC,
Thanks for the talking points memo. Clearly, there are some larger questions that need to be asked and answered. As Kem Patrick metioned, transporting nuclear missiles is classified. Obviously, if there were other flights, we would not hear about them. So why would anyone leak information about this one? I am inclined to agree with Kem that perhaps the mission information did not go high enough up the chain of command. But one also has to wonder if people already are critical of the military, and the military knows it, why give the critics more ammunition (no pun intended)? Is this supposed to be a distraction? Or is it supposed to instill a sense of fear in the public similar to the "13 Days" of the Cuban Missile Crisis era? I am reluctant to make my judgment and would like to think that the warheads should have been removed but were not. Hopefully more answers will be forthcoming.
AlexV wrote Well since the United States Air Force has never used a nuclear weapon
Well, not technically true. There were several A-bomb tests in the 1950s that were dropped by newly-minted USAF planes.
Bomb loads of USAF bombers is highly classified. There are nukes in the air everyday.
our government and military are run by a BUNCH OF IDIOTS!!!
Back in the good old days they called that a "dry run." Like the ones conducted all summer in the mountains of NC, which bear remarkable similarities to the terrain in... you guessed it:
I.R.A.N.
Not many have heard how many atomic bombs have been dropped accidently, or air dropped because of inflight collisions or jettisoned due to aircraft maintenance problems?
More than twenty, and many dropped in oceans have never been found. Of course in addition, there are several nuclear warheads and small atomic reactors "lost" in the oceans from sunken submarines. There are five billlion specks of plutonium in a cupful. A single speck will kill any living matter, including microbes and will be deadly for billions of years. Sort of like DU, except DU is being spread purposly and there are trillions times trillions of those deadly specks floating in our atmosphere now. Every day, more specks are added to the total. Oh well, ____ shit happens.
So.
From the referenced article.
A B-52 bomber mistakenly loaded with five nuclear warheads flew...
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Six nuclear warheads on cruise missiles were mistakenly carried on a flight from North Dakota to Louisiana last week...
ok, so six on take-off, five on landing? Is this where we're going?
150 kiloton nuclear warhead missing inside the USA for a week and counting?
I feel safer every day
the air force has gone so astray........
they kno nothing about defense compared to the other services......
the air force today is so offensive -- it makes me sick....
Well Ken, I think this is where I'm gonna have to step back and watch the rest of the discussion.
While I hold great contempt for our current political leaders, on both sides, I think you are off base with your assertion that that the "pseudo-christian" influences within the USAF are one of the the causes of this country being the greatest offensive threat.
I can't agree with that. In fact it is almost absurd to me.
This country has alot of real problems, with real causes. "pseudo-christian" influences within the Air Force is neither of these.
"they kno nothing about defense compared to the other services……"
What does that mean?
Seems like kind of a pointless rant.
alex - it means all the air force knows how to do is attack...
it has always been my opinion that the military services should first and foremost be DEFENSIVE in nature....
Peace,
Ken Hausle
* by the way what does the "V" stand for....
In fact, i put forth that for the near future, the air force should be subsumed by the other military services. There is no need for a separate air force.
Furthermore, all nuclear submarines need to be temperarily taken out of service on exposed. Then they need to be refitted for defensive purposes in a worldwide effort.
Lastly, a law should be passed that the National Guard NEVER leave the country's borders. They are Guard after all.......
Peace,
Ken Hausle
Well since the United States Air Force has never used a nuclear weapon, I don't see how saying that "all the air force knows how to do is attack", relates to this story.
Nuclear weapons are about deterrence. That's the idea anyway, and it's worked for 60+ years.
The problem is that things like the deterrence created by Mutually Assured Destruction really only works when your worried about another great power.
It doesn't help when it comes to the kinds of conflicts happening recently.
alex (what is the v....honestly, i'm curious)
Humanity was not ready for nuclear weapons. They should have not been studied then. Regardless, we have them now, hopefully humanity can learn....
Peace,
Ken Hausle
Alex,
who then dropped the bomb in Hiroshima and Nagasaki?
V is the first letter of my last name. Interesting stuff huh?
Regardless of anyones opinion of nuclear weapons, they are a reality. Even if we destroyed all of ours tomorrow, do you think Russia, China, India, Pakistan, Israel, England, and France are all going to do the same?
How do you propose that nuclear submarines be "refitted for defensive purposes worldwide?" The rest of the world knowing that we have nuclear submarines they can't detect, and them not knowing where they are at, seems like a pretty good defense to me. Again, it's called deterrence.
Talking about disbanding the USAF seems a bit out there. Will the Marines be taking over the maintenance and operation of the Minuteman III Missile system or will that be refitted for "defensive" purposes as well? Maybe when the warheads go off they can be filled with flowers that will rain down over their targets.
ahro, the US Army Air Force dropped the bombs on Japan.
The United States Air Force wasn't formed until 1947.
i wont deny i was hoping somebody else might say something, but tell me this: today where are ALL the nuclear assets? Do we know? If not, why not? I want to know. I want ability to assure that they will not be used ever again.....
i am perhaps most interested in the assets under the "supposed jurisdiction" of the "military services" of the United States of "America" (i country i know longer recognize). This is the country that is currently the greatest offensive threat....and in my opinion much of this threat stems from "pseudo-christrian" influences within the air force....it ought not be this way.
Peace,
Ken Hausle
I disagree madhatter. I think they know exactly what they're going to do. Frank1569 is at least partially correct. More to the point, the ordered stand down of all military aircraft on September 14th seems an interesting declaration, especially since it has been openly announced to the whole damn world!
Since when has a statement with such huge security factors involved been broadcast to the world's media? Also the statement that they mishandled or temporarily 'lost' these weapons, but that they know there were exactly 5 of them now.
Anyone in DC, take a 2 week vacation. I think these goons have found a way to deal with the pressure on the white house and the opposition in the senate and congress once and for all.
With some very brief, very hot weather, forecast for September 14th 2007.
How did they get this far?
Fin.
The real story here is that a well placed conspiracy could attain a B-52 loaded with nukes and hit whatever targets they wanted. Maybe, blame it on Iran?
In fact that may be what actually happened here, but someone in the Air Force found out about it and stopped it...
If you think I'm paranoid of power, maybe you live in a world where the 48 story building #7 (loaded with accounting documents) though undamaged, collapsed neatly into its own foot print on sept 11, 2001.
This is scary folks and it is very real. There's a group of people who would be happy to kill US citizens for political goals. Jeb Bush made some off handed comment not too long ago about wouldn't it be great if, "San Francisco disappeared off the map."
Nuclear weapons aren't about deterrence, security, or safety. They are armageddon type weapons that only a madman would ever want or possess.
The only country in the world stupid enough to actually employ nuclear weapons is the United States. The damage caused by those nuclear attacks lingers even today.
'Responsible Handling' is a joke. Since nuclear weapons could never be used for anything other than terrorism, they are simply terrorist weapons. What is a 'Responsible Terrorist'?
Until these weapons are GONE we will never be safe.
In regards to some Islamic militants blowing up a nuke in a US city, the scenario has already been analyzed.
1. A terrorist gets his hands on some weapon-grade radioactive material.
2. Militants assemble the 'holy bomb' in a warehouse somewhere using plans they downloaded form the internet.
3. It is driven into a densely populated area and detonated.
The result wouldn't be a devastating as imagined. An untested weapon of that type is expected to have a very small yield. The resulting explosion might destroy an entire block if it went well. There would be a large amount of radiation scattered over a 3-4 block area. Most of the casualties would be from radiation sickness and not from the blast/heat/fires.
This type of attack will not produce an "Attack Iran" mentality. It will need to be a much bigger explosion. (US Military type explosion)
If a nuke is detonated in a US city, it will not be by 'Islamic militants'.
It would be more honest if we had a department designated DEPARTMENT OF WAR. Hilary & Obama are willing to use nuclear bombs against an enemy. We are the only ones to use nukes against two civilian targets. There are plans to use nukes against Iran. Personally, if the U.S. neutralzed all its nukes, I would feel relief. (Of course, I'd also like them to get rid of their chemical & biological weapons.) Salaam.
I am a nuclear veteran (Operation Redwing, Bikini Atoll, 1956). Please tell me again how "A crash could ignite the high explosives associated with the warhead, and possibly cause a leak of the plutonium, but the warheads' elaborate safeguards would prevent a nuclear detonation from occurring."
A few pounds of Plutonium dust blowing in the wind would contaminate a huge area. Plutonium is one of the world's most hazardous exposure items, producing Alpha, Beta and Gamma radiation. I've forgotten its half-life, but it is very long.
These damned things should be carefully destroyed, not be transferred around the world, or the country, nor should any of them ever be used again, on anything or anyone.
The fact that they are deployed on cruise missiles, designed to be delivered by long range bombers, means that we are probably going to use them under the new rules of combat.
Ww the People have got to stand up on our hind legs and demand that these weapons be removed from our arsenal and destroyed, with verification. If that were done, other nations would be liable to follow suit. As it stands, every country in the world is scared stiff of the greatest terrorist nation in the world, with its vast stock of weapons of mass destruction, and they are arming themselves to the teeth in self-defense.
Let's remove the need and start trying to rebuild the world, not destroy it.
I don't think anything is going to happen in regards to this. They don't need it to carry out any agenda, America is already complicit and complacent. And any one of the major Pres. candidates will carry on the war machine for US imperialistic domination when elected, so nobody needs to do it before Bush leaves office.
i am not complicit or complacent, and
f'ing "america" does not represent me....
but, i sure do care about North Carolina and what is happening here....
Peace,
Ken Hausle
I'm with JontyPTraveler on this. I find it hard to believe that they "accidently" loaded nuke warheads onto missiles. This is not like tripping downstairs folks. This is ominous. Did they intend to "accidently" nuke someone or are they preparing to nuke someone.
I have no idea of how the Air Force operates now, but when atomic weapons were loaded on bombers during the years of The Strategic Air Command, up thru the 1980s, a two man policy was strictly enforced. No one could get near any bomber by themselves when it had atomic weapons loaded in the bomb bay or on the wing pilons, such as a Hound-dog missile.
"Everyone" was fully aware the bomber was "cocked". If parked in the alert area, armed guards were stationed at the aircraft 24-7, with several other armed guards in nearby vehicles. The fully illuninated alert areas were fenced off and K-9s patrolled at night around the entire bases peremiters. If an aircraft was being readied for a Chrome Dome mission, the aircraft was roped off and two armed guards patrolled the immediate are inside the ropes. No single person could gain access to the area. It was a "two man policy" and they had to be cleared top secret, cleared by name to get on or near the aircraft and then checked in by the guards. The base or wing commander, or any of the aircraft flight crew couldn't get near the aircarft alone. Had I ever attempted to get near the alert areas or a Chrome Dome alone, I would have been stretched out on the ramp and or possibly shot before I could have said hello. General LeMay or the President of the United States could not have entered the area, unless they were with another who had the exact same clearance and the cleared need to enter.
How a B-52 flew a mission and no one was aware atomic weapons were loaded on it is beyond sensible reason. There must be a lot more to this story that we don't know about and most likely we never will.
That's like leaving a bullet on someone's doorstep. It might not blow up right there, but you know what it means.. that bullet is a very clear message that someone is really out to get you. Now they're 'accidentally' flying nuclear bombs over middle America to do what exactly..? I think the message is the same..
And considering the unsafe status of our ports and borders we don't really have any place to hide from the 'incompetence' of our military or any other psychopaths with access to nukes, unless you have your own personal fallout shelter.
What is Plan R?
9/11 was an inside job.
My first thought after reading this article was, "and why ARE there nuclear weapons on board a B-52? "Accidents" like this just don't happen no matter how incompetent we may want to believe our government is. This is ominous...
Plan R anyone?
KEM PATRICK seems to spell it out quite well. There is no way this was an "accident". There is no, "oops, the capacity to destroy 5 major cities just flew away". I have heard of struggles in the millitary between those who oppose the 9/11 conspiracy and those continuing it. I'd love to know the real story behind this B-52, but am also very glad not to be the only one who sees this for what it is.
The last time the US had a terrorist attack, I had a plane ticket to D.C. for the IMF/World Bank demonstrations. In just one year we had increased our numbers from 8,000 to 140,000. This sep 15th there are going to be very large numbers of demonstrators in D.C. coinciding with the Petraeus report...
Does anyone have any substantive ideas about what to do when a conspiracy of elites begins terrorizing a democracy?
Maybe the nukes had "made in Iran" stamped on them, if you take my meaning.
After our successful punishment of VetNam in the mid 1970's (the sovern state, not the American police action) Americans had little stumic for external invasions rationalized with romatic christon notions of "saving the ignorant masses from short brown infidels".
The movie StarWars (not the 747 just flying this year, http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/fn/5106816.html after 30 years of $billions, thousands of lifetimes of full work careers, see "US Pat. 4164677 - Filed May 22, 1978 - Northrop Corporation") re-sold war as a romatic endever. The first question directed at the producers at a SiFi convention in May of 1977 askd why space had no Blacks or Brown people. I have a religious libuary of 2000+ books, they mostly read like pulp fiction.
I know many men (and their familys) who joined the USAirForce to live out a personal post-puberty SiFi movie. My last act in hollywood was making and selling 36 gallons of the my BEST blood formula, for $hundreds gallon.
No "broken arrows" (Atom wepon mistakes) have occored since all reports were stoped in the early 1970's
A lovely Anarchist take over of the UK unfolds in a three part TV dramma from 1988. The sceans of dismantaling A-bombs make tears squert from my eyes. "A Very British Coup" from the book by Chris Mullin.
all this is incredibly riveting, but still no one has answered...what is Plan R? Oh well, it is probably nothing of significance.....still when some mysterious uncertainty is thrown out there, then of course, it begs question....
Regardless, all nuclear weapons need to be identified, publicized, and brought out in the open so that they can be dismantled....simple
Peace,
Ken Hausle
Are we sure it was a mistake?
(Ken: Check my last post on the plan-r reference.)
I doubt it was a mistake. How in that case did such weapons ever get on the plane. I rather suspect this is one more attempt to increase the fear Iran has of the US. A gentle reminder that the US has nuclear weapons and is the only nation on the planet with a record of having used them.
Does the terms "loose nukes" and "sabre rattling" mean anything in the context of this story? Give me a break.
When the Neocon wet dream hits the fan, lets call it Kristol Nach.
weapons of mass destruction...and who had control of them?
thank-you Paul Bramscher...
now i see.....some underling gets the blame....
it is all a bunch of BS....other than the offensive and aggresive "us" actions since what, 9/11/2001, there would be no reason to even talk about this.....
who wants nuclear war?????? if you do, you must be sick, and you must need help....lets get the help where it is needed....so that we can start focussing in more important issues....
Peace,
Ken Hausle