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U.S. Cuba Policy Not Improved Under Democrats
"Experience keeps a dear school," said Benjamin Franklin, "but fools will learn in no other." But if someone who will learn only from painful experience is a fool, what do you call someone who won't learn from painful experience? Answer: a supporter of our policy toward Cuba.
For nearly half a century, the United States has maintained an economic embargo in an effort to dislodge Fidel Castro from power. The 81-year-old dictator, however, has easily outlasted a succession of American presidents bent on his political demise. Even today, with the dictator incapacitated by poor health, his regime looks more durable than the British monarchy.
A plausible conclusion is that if our boycott didn't achieve its purpose in the 20th century, it will not do so in the 21st. Yet it remains firmly in place, unchallenged by either Republicans or Democrats.
The other day, Sen. Barack Obama, Democrat of Illinois, reopened the discussion of Cuba policy with an op-ed column in The Miami Herald that accused President Bush of "blundering," stressed the need to "help the Cuban people become less dependent on the Castro regime," and promised to "grant Cuban Americans unrestricted rights to visit family and send remittances to the island."
This may sound like a bold and refreshing attempt to overhaul our Cuba policy. In fact, it's a cheerful embrace of a strategy that has proved its futility year after year.
The rules against travel to Cuba, long part of our policy, have grown tighter under Mr. Bush. A poll last year of those in south Florida found that only 28 percent disapprove of the president's overall Cuba policy, but 45 percent oppose his efforts to keep them from visiting or sending money to their relatives there.
Anyone who expected the Democratic takeover of Congress to make a difference on Cuba must have been hallucinating.
In past years, under GOP control, the House voted several times to make it easier for U.S. farmers to sell their crops in Cuba. But when a similar bill came to a floor vote this year, it got trounced. A bill to ease the travel rules, meanwhile, hasn't even gotten a committee hearing.
By supporting more travel, Mr. Obama proved himself to be less timid than Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, Democrat of New York, who shuns the idea. But even his proposal offers less than meets the eye. He does not suggest anything so revolutionary as, say, letting all Americans decide for themselves whether to visit Mr. Castro's tropical prison camp. The only people he would allow to go, or send money, would be Cuban-Americans.
As for our vain effort to starve Havana into submission, Mr. Obama says he would be willing to "ease" the blockade - not lift it - only if, after Fidel is gone, the "government begins opening Cuba to democratic change."
It's not bad enough that the embargo has been the diplomatic equivalent of the Chicago Cubs - an infallible loser for an astonishing length of time. It's also at odds with our approach to most other communist governments, most notably China. There, we trust that over time, commerce and contact with the West will undermine state control and foster freedom. The experience of recent years validates that belief. Yet the U.S. government takes the position that any policy appropriate to China cannot possibly work in Cuba.
The explanation for this lapse in logic is political. Cuban-Americans mostly support the embargo, and they constitute a small but active voting bloc in Florida - a state that can easily decide a presidential election (as it did in 2000).
Mr. Obama's proposal would be notable if it risked losing votes among Cuban- Americans. In fact, it roughly approximates the position taken by John Kerry in 2004.
It may not be a shock to find that the Illinois senator, who vows to change the way Washington works, plans no such change when it comes to how Washington works on Cuba. But it does suggest that the only place to find Mr. Obama and audacity in close proximity is on the cover of his book.
Steve Chapman is a columnist for the Chicago Tribune. His column appears Mondays and Fridays in The Sun. His e-mail is schapman@tribune.com.
© 2007 The Baltimore Sun
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Show AllAbout ten years ago John Watner on Meet the Press said he thought the CUba embargo was working. Ya... Right...
Sometimes I feel as if I am wondering in a make believe land when I listen to the news...Maybe they are the reality and I am the non reality.
Freedom means the right for Americans to learn the objective truth about other economic/political models, and the right of other nations to practice other economic/political models.
The suppression of other economic/political models by the US oligarchy will contribute to its imminent downfall.
Today, the US oligarchy is backed into a corner by the many serial failures of laissez-faire capitalism, militarism, imperialism and zionism.
The successes of Cuba and of socialism wherever it is practiced is dangerous to the US oligarchy. The party is over for the US oligarchy. After the revolution, let them eat corn.
dnelson, life does seem surreal in the US - what with people going on about their lives as though nothing is happening. There is rarely any discussion about what is going on - at least not where I am, and I'm supposedly living in a "progressive" town. Seems the only real discussion I see is right here.
The embargo will succeed -- any decade now.
The US embargo on Cuba has resulted in Cuba converting to organic farming, ride sharing, bicycling, longer healthier lives, and tighter democratic communities at the local level to mention just a little. Americans who want to go there do so easily through Mexico without getting their passports stamped. If the US keystone cop routine is good for Cuba, and keeps the rest of the world laughing heartily at us ( laughter is a great medicine) then who cares what the Vichy democrats do?
It's time the embargo was properly applied to the main exporter of terrorism and the primary threat to the planet. Not Cuba but the US. Cuba shows the way to survival and civilization. The US threatens the globe with annihilation and slavery.
Demand global divestment and a boycott of US imperialism pending regime change and a return to civilized norms and compliance with international law!
World's Worst Dictators
(Prepared in 2006 by David Wallechinsky for Parade after consultation with Human Rights Watch, Freedom House, Amnesty International, and Reporters without Borders.)
Name Country In Power Since
1. Omar al-Bashir Sudan 1989
2. Kim Jong Il North Korea 1994
3. Than Shwe Myanmar 1992
4. Robert Mugabe Zimbabwe 1980
5. Islam Karimov Uzbekistan 1990
6. Hu Jintao China 2002
7. King Abdullah Saudi Arabia 1995
8. S. Niyazov Turkmenistan 1990
9. Seyed Ali Khamane'i Iran 1989
10. Teodoro O. Nguema Guinea 1979
Castro is not even in the list, so I wonder if the great champions of democracy in the US will propose embargoes for this group too, or are they scared of China and Saudia Arabia for example.
The US foreign policies have little to do with democracy, they are only tools for the preservation and expansion of predatory capitalism.
Obama is a moron. All he wants to bring to Cuba is capitalism so it can become another American colony. Cuba may not be entirely socialist, but it's a lot closer than America is, and needs to become more socialist. We need to start here in America too by ending this capitalist regime and start being equals!
I am a Cuban Amercian. My parents came to this country at the start of the Cuban Revolution and have told me several stories of Cuba before Fidel Castro and after he took power. I also have many Cuban relatives and friends who lived in a democratic Cuba and in communist Cuba. I have friends who frequently visit Cuba and know how the people of Cuba live. Castro destroyed Cuba. He murdered, stole from and tortured the Cuban people. I often hear how education and medicine is so good in Cuba. Quess what ... It was also good before Castro. Probably even better. The economy was booming and even though there was corruption (like in any country) people had opportunity. I am not happy with our current administartion but trust me, we are better off than Cubans ... much, much better. What the hell are you going to do with good health care if you do not have any food to eat. If Cuba was so good why do Cubans risk their lives floating on anything to leave Cuba. As far as the embargo, if it is lifted, the only people that are going to benifit from that is Castro and his hoods. Cuba was the "melting pot" of the caribean, was rapidly growing from an economic stand-point and was a paradise before Castro. Sure, there was alot of corruption with Batista (another dictator) but people could live.
Mick Moore came out with SICKO and now eveyone thinks Cuban government cares about it's people.
I like his other films buk Mr. Moore doesn't know shit about living in Cuba.
rcarrace, we don't need to continue to hear the slant that spews from capitalists from Cuba. The regime before Castro was backed by the United States and was a major reason for the revolution.
Stay in Miami and hang with the terrorists and please don't slant the story.
Check your facts, not your parents. And I suggest a few documentaries that are out about the Cuban Five, the CIA in Cuba and legislators in the United States that still promote terrorism.
Duh ... this is one of many areas of foreign policy where there is no difference between Republicans and Democrats. How many cases have to be cited before people understand that there is no difference between the parties?
Back in 2000, I was on the internet doing some research. It was during one of the nights of the Republican convention, when thousands of American protesters were being attacked by the Philadelphia riot police. It was when Americans were being arrested just for being called a leader of the protests. I remember a couple of people were arrested just for walking down the street with a cell phone. The American police called the cell phone a terrorist implement or something like that, threw these people in jail and set bail at $1,000,000.00.
While I was reading what was going on in Philadelphia, my curiosity somehow led me to Amnesty International site and I started reading their reports on Cuba. The described the repression suffered by those who spoke out against the Cuban regime. It said they were basically brought into the police station and given a stern talking to.
I'm sure that's not the worst that could happen. I'd imagine it got worse if you didn't take the hint. But the difference between the Cuban police giving dissidents a stern talking to and the Philadelphia police attacking dissidents with riot police and throwing people in jail on a million dollars bond for walking down the street with a cell phone was rather striking.
PS ... the Batista regime was a regime that stole from the Cuban people, mistreated the Cuban people, and who's preferred business partners were the American mafia. Regardless of what you think of Castro, I doubt you want to be bringing that regime up. There's a reason why the whole nation revolted as soon as Castro and Che provided any leadership and opportunity for change.
Cuba in the last century or so hasn't really had much choice of leadership that gave a damn about the people. I mean, anyone who thinks Cuba was a nice place to live for the majority of the people prior to the Revolution is living in dreamland. Life was great if you were at the top of the heap prior to Castro's seizing power, otherwise you were doomed to the same miserable life that as an average citizen you are still doomed to in Cuba. Of course, there are bright spots- like health care- provided by the government which still trumps America's joke of a health care system (but that's really not hard to do). I agree with the comments about organic farming and ride sharing being good things. I also like the fact that Cuba is not a commercialized society. However, Castro is far from a saint what with his brutal suppression of dissent and political free speech. He is a dictator and we can't ignore that fact. However, this business of the continued embargo on Cuba, of harboring terrorists like Luis Posada Carriles who should legitimately be brought to justice and of preventing American travel to Cuba is a joke. The more America insists on isolating Cuba, the worst it is going to be. As for many Miami Cubans, I get the feeling they are waiting to go back and re-establish the pre-Castro hierarchy and get that dough flowing again. Once again, ordinary people will get the shaft.
Cuba was better off before Castro, lets get rid of Castro and replace him with the much better world they had before ???
Sources: UNICEF
http://www.unicef.org/infobycountry/cuba_statistics.html#15
Literacy Before & After The Revolution
1952 54%
2005 100%
Life Expectancy Before & After The Revolution
1950 55.8 years
2006 78 years
Infant Mortality* Before & After The Revolution
1958 60
2004 5.8
* The number of deaths of infants under one year old in a given year per 1,000 live births in the same year.
Before 1959 the second largest island in the Cuban archipelago Isle Of Pines had a population of approximately 20000 and zero doctors, today there is a doctor for every 160 people.
There is a better world, a socialist one.
ragnarok, awesome.
msmutt,
I've checked my facts ... and better yet ... my family has lived it. Please do not point me to documentation because we both know that you can't belive everything you hear. We could probably both read documentaion that supports both sides. I tend to think that the truth is somewhere in the middle.
As far as facts, I talk to people that go to Cuba often. The people are starving, they live in bad conditions (no AC, no running water, no entertainment, etc) and no hope in site. No human rights ... misery is all they have. That my friend is the truth. The facts are in the countless Cubans who risk their lives in the ocean to get away from Castro's regime. Are you Cuban? Are you related to a Cuban? Have you lived in Cuba? I don't think so ... because if you were, you wouldn't be debating what I'm saying. Unless of course you were a communist.
Don't percieve to know what I am capatilist or otherwise. I see myself somewhere in the middle as I think that balance is key in any type of society.
My grandparents left Spain to flee from Franco ... worked in coal mines, merchant marines, literally busted their humps to have their businesses in Cuba. Had their version of the American Dream in Cuba because they worked for it and Castro came and just took it all. My uncle was imprisoned and tortured becuase he was against Castro at the age of 17. I am not slanting anything pal ... This is the truth. Castro is a criminal ...
I am not saying that Cuba under Batista (a dictator backed by the US) was perfect. Yes, corruption was ramped, there was injustice, segregation, racism ... you name it. However, where my friend? What country is perfect? What country has no corruption? Ending corruption is as impossible as ending terrorism!
A lot of the people that supported Castro during the revolution were envious lazy people who wanted things handed to them. They cheered him on and all he gave them was misery. That is what you have in Cuba now ... Misery. I hear it from relatives and friends who go there. It is a sad situation.
These people would shout and insult those who were leaving ... they were happy to see people stripped of what they worked for but you know what ... You see, they were stripped of their belongings but not their intelligence or work ethic becuase they came here and rose again and the losers who helped bring that criminal into power are still in Cuba ... rotting and they deserve it for being traders.
I suggest you stop reading and maybe head over to Miami and talk to some old timers who were actually there.
And don't call me a terrorist. I couldn't hurt a fly, do not like what is happening under this administaration (foreign or domestic policy) and belive that everyone has the right to earn and prosper. I am a business man who treats my employees with respect and pay them well. I am a generous man.
But if you think that a government like Castro's or any other similar is better that what we have here in the US you are the one who is slanting the truth.
Our current administaration has harmed this country, no doubt but there is a chance that we could turn things around. I am not happy with a lot of what's happend to America ... but Cuba is a hell hole in comparison.
NorthATheBorder,
That's BS. My family was not at the top and they lived well. I also know lots of other families that lived well. You know this is just one of those things ... You had to be there to know. My family was not rich ... friends were not rich. Cuba was the #1 place of tourism in the world ... it was advanced in technology and education ... there was a middle class just like here. Where are you guys getting this bull from? People are starving in Cuba ... they risk their lives to come to the US. What the $%&^ are you talking about?
ragnarok,
I wonder who provides those stats in Cuba? Jeeze ... it's so good in Cuba that Cubans rather risk to be eaten up by sharks than remain in Cuba. Yep, that proves it .... Cuba is much better than it was ... Why else would people try floating 90 miles on a stick of wood to leave?
Before 1959 the second largest island in the Cuban archipelago Isle Of Pines had a population of approximately 20000 and zero doctors, today there is a doctor for every 160 people.
Yeah, well, with all the malnutrition they better have enough doctors.
COMarc,
A stern talking to? ... you have it wrong my friend. Very wrong. Picture yourself in a wooden box, with no way to move your limbs and only a couple of holes to breath through. Anyone who spoke against Castro was tortured ... period ... the best situation would be that you were locked up in the most horrendous jail cell that you could think of. My uncle was locked up simply becuase he tried to flea the country to come to the US and live with his family. You are right in saying that what happend in Cuba was a result of Batista's corrupt government. True ... the Mafia was a bug player in Cuba ... I do not deny that but ... and a BIG BUT it is ... There was opportunity to make your life better ... There is no hope in Cuba now ... for no one ... the street sweeper makes as much as the dentist or the lawyer or whatever ... I wouldn't want to live in a country like that. If you work for what you have you've earned it ... period. If you are happy being a street sweeper then more power to you. That is freedom.
I am a good example. My parents weren't rich. They couldn't pay my college eductation. I borrowed and am still paying off my student loans. I worked hard, studied and did good for myself. I have two businesses and bought my house 2 years ago. On the other hand, I have a cousin who was always been a bum ... had no ambition, spent his youth in bars and clubs ... he is currently unemployed and is always complaining about his situation. You reap what you sow. Plain and simple.
rcarrace ,
This theme is obviously very personal and painful to you.
Please read and learn from sources that study Cuba without personal biases. For example
Lawrence Theriot (NOT a communist), a U.S. government analyst who studies Cuba very closely, has stated that
"a highly egalitarian redistribution of income has eliminated almost all malnutrition, particularly among children."
A Short History by Minor Sinclair and Martha Thompson (Academics that are NOT communists)
Prior to the 1959 revolution, there was one word to describe Cuba: inequity. Only 8% of the farmers controlled 70% of the land. U.S. interests controlled most of the Cuban economy, including most of the large plantations, a controlling interest in the sugar production, the mining industry, oil refineries, electrical utilities, the communications system, and many of the banks.
The majority of the rural labor force consisted of landless, seasonal workers without schooling, healthcare, electricity or running water. They earned their living during only three months of the year, at planting time and at harvest. Rural workers were lucky to earn one-quarter of the national income.
At the time of the revolution, most of the wealthy landowners fled to the United States. Their former holdings were expropriated and given over to the laborers.
Cuba, Going Against the Grain: Agricultural Crisis and Transformation; Chapter 2, Cuba's Distinction: Land Reform and a Modernized Peasantry, Sinclair, M., and Thompson, M. Oxfam America Report, June 2001.
The Cuban Miracle
By the 1980s, Cuba had surpassed most of Latin America in nutrition, life expectancy, education and per capita GNP. The literacy rate was an astonishing 96%, and 95% of the population had access to safe water.
In the early 1990's the Cuban economy had to recover from the loss of its closest trading partner, the Soviet Union.
Cuban GNP has grown every year since 1995. There have been solid gains in employment, productivity and exports. Fruit production has returned to its 1989 level (and even surpassed it in the case of plantains). Vegetables and tubers for domestic consumption have seen a prodigious increase in production. Food intake has climbed to 2,473 calories and 51.6 grams per person, a 33% increase over caloric intake in 1994.25 Observers the world over have pronounced the Cuban efforts a success. Single handedly, without help from either the World Bank or the IMF (and in total contrast to the normal World Bank and IMF reform policy), Cuba has disproved the myth that organic agriculture cannot support a modern nation. Agrarian reform in the 1990s centered on a new system of sustainable agriculture, the development of healthy markets, and the privatization and cooperatization of the unwieldy state farms.
If you do not want to believe all these academic studies because they might not know what they are talking about, then look at the hundreds of recent pictures and movies on the web showing the average Cuban walking around their cities.
You will be surprised as how healthy and well fed they are.
You would not dispute what you see in hundreds of pictures from all over Cuba posted on the web by thousands of tourists from all over the world, or would you ?
Well it was a Democratic Administration - JFK - that tried to assassinate Castro. Why would anyone expect more from Democrats? Historically, on foreign policy, Democrats have been worse than Republicans.
"True … the Mafia was a bug player in Cuba … I do not deny that but … and a BIG BUT it is . . ."
And organized crime & international terrorism remain central pillars of the exile community. Who, just by chance, also were instrumental in the assassination of a US president.
The cry of the business-bully everywhere, "I work hard, commies wanna take my business and MY house!!!" -- like the owner of the Utah mine, Robert Murray, who also came up working in the mines and just longed for the chance to be on top of the heap, "I treat my employees wonderfully . . . "
Nothing is more personally torturous to a businessman than being stripped of his ability to legally steal . . .
rcarrace beleives only what they want to beleive. If the US had held out its hand to Castro when he and his army ousted Batista and their followers Cuba may have had a different face. Of course they didn't and so they embraced the path left to them. If castro was brutal it couldnot have been any worse than the malignant neglect that the well off of Cuba had for the majority who had little. Castros revolution did not happen for no good reason.
The US government has officially backed at least 7 assasination attempts on Castro, not because he was a "commie" and they wanted to bring democracy to Cuba, but because he confiscated american owned businesses. The likes of rcarrace and his parents are only pawns in the US govmints commercial games. Of course Cuba needs to open up its government to the four freedoms as incidently does the US govmint too. Some Cubans risk their lives to leave Cuba, Cuba controls its borders very tightly what with the embargo and animosity of big brother who by the way is doing the same thing to its borders now. I haven't heard that Cubans are starving, one does hear that their emergency preparedness puts Bush's to shame.
ragnarok,
I hope you are still there. I know this ... I am Cuban American. My whole family is Cuban. They lived there before Batista, during Batista and during Castro. I have an abundance of Cuban friends that go to Cuba. We still have friends who live in Cuba.
Lawrence Theriot can say what he wishes ... I could look at thousands of videos on YouTube but I know what I hear. There is no other way to describe it ... Misery!
For example, I have a good friend who visits twice a year ... he goes over there to visit a sister. Every day she "hand carts" a wooden barrel to the water reservoir to get water so that she could bathe and cook. There's no AC in her house ... they get about 2 lbs of red meat a month and 2 lbs of chicken ... 1 liter of milk ... everything else is eggs and rice, beans and water. Clothes are scarce ... she still wears stuff from the eighties, holes in her shoes ... forget about owning a car. Are you kidding me, they still have horse pulling carts ... that is actually some of the public transportation in Cuba. Listen, I don't want to argue. I am not denying that Batista was a corrupt ... he was but Castro is even worse.
Again ... I ask you. If Cuba is so good and Castro has done so good for the country ... Why, till this day, do Cubans risk their lives crossing those 90 miles to come to the US? Why? Are they crazy? You don't have an answer do you?
Dichterfreund,
Listen you fucker. I do not steal ... I work for a living. I've invested ... I've risked and I also treat my employees well. You're just probably talentless or lazy and hate the fact that in this WORLD (not country) things are not handed to you. You have to work for it. I came from nothing my friend ... no one handed anything to me. You want to lay on your ass and let the magets eat you up that is up to you. Both of my business are based on services. An agreement between me and client has to be in place ... that is not stealing. Loser.
Dafoe,
I wish they would have killed the beast which is Castro. Yes, I do belive what my family and friends tell me. They have no reason to lie. I do not place 100% faith in what my government tells me. I know that we also have corruption here but as I said, there is opportunity and if you are willimg to work and if you are lucky you can make a better living. That to me is freedom. The opportunity to call your own shots. You are right. There was abuse in Cuba before Castro. My own father used to tell me and he felt that it was the reason for the revolution. A lot of exploitation. He also felt that Castro was not the answer and that he even made things worse. I do not know where people get that in Cuba there was only rich and poor. That is BS. There was a strong middle class in Cuba. My family was not rich. They were middle class and they had all the perks that middle class america have.
You see the thing is ... no government is pure or perfect. Corruption is everywhere ... so, we have to settle ... what are you going to do? Dream? So instead of having a government where everyone is screwed and only "Big Brother" is lavishing in wealth ... Why not have one where your individual struggle decides where you are?
This reminds me a video that was smuggled out of Cuba where you see Castro at his dining table with expensive wine and his family feasting on a big dinner. All the while people are eating eggs and rice and as they say "chicharo" or burnt pig entrails.
"Dichterfreund,
Listen you fucker. I do not steal … I work for a living. I've invested … I've risked and I also treat my employees well. You're just probably talentless or lazy and hate the fact that in this WORLD (not country) things are not handed to you. You have to work for it. I came from nothing my friend … no one handed anything to me. You want to lay on your ass and let the magets eat you up that is up to you. Both of my business are based on services. An agreement between me and client has to be in place … that is not stealing. Loser."
rcarrace,
Am I a fucker or a loser? In any case, I'm tremendously talented, and one parent came from the small business owner class, and my mother's people were working class, and I've seen exactly how business operates & what thieves "investors" are, and how employees in small businesses are treated (and how they have to conceal their actual feelings & condition from the one who believes he "treats them well").
An agreement always has to be in place between the pimp and the prostitute too.
cheers
Dichterfreund,
You are an ignorant man. Not all business men treat their employees bad. That's like saying all Indians are good in math & science, all Irish men are drunks or all blacks are criminals. You are a bigot aside from being a fucker and a loser. You are pre-judging without even knowing who I am. A pimp sells sex ... It is a lot different from selling systems design or marking up a product where you've risked losing your investment. You analogy is pathetic. Stealing is taking something that is not yours. If we didn't have business men where would you get your woking class from. I was part of the working class myself and before taking any shit from a boss I would quit. I still consider myself of the working class becuase that is what I do ... I work and give others the opportunity to earn also. Maybe you've been treated bad becuase you drag your feet ... maybe that is why you hate business men because you expect them to give you something for nothing. What world are you living in?
STOP and THINK! -- What other country in the world, especially an underdeveloped country, just a few miles away from the most powerful superpower in the world, constantly menaced and harassed by that same superpower for fifty years, would not have collapsed long ago? Think, for example -- what would have happened to Mexico if something similar had happened. What would have happened if the U.S. government had decided to destroy the Mexican government and economy? How long would it have taken for the Mexican economy to have imploded and self-destructed if the U. S government had decided to do everything in its power to embargo and destroy the viability of the Mexican economy? How soon after this embargo and other economic attacks had begun would you see three or four or five times the number of illegal immigrants coming across the border every single day? Why does everyone talk about the shortages in Cuba as if that country has been able to enjoy some kind of normal existence for the last fifty years and develop its economy in peace -- instead of doing the impossible in maintaining its own survival? ¡Viva Cuba!
rcarrace,
I know you mean well and you seem to be honest, the fact that you even acknowledge that prior to Castro Cuba had a lot of problems proves it.
I can guess that Cubans risk coming in rafts for the same reasons many come from all over the World, because our standard of living is well above most of the World. Many might sincerely dislike Castro too.
At the same time Castro is liked and loved by many millions of Cubans, he is also admired and supported by many more millions around the globe.
This Cuban music is really cool, I would like to visit Cuba and enjoy the Carnival with them; but I can't without violating the laws of my country that prohibits me to visit the Island (Can you believe this in the land of the free ?)
Enjoy Conga Santiaguera
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDNZu7djB0I
Since you are Cuban-American please translate for us this message I found under that song, it is from another Cuban-American that also left the Island looking for El Dorado:
Lo menos que tiene la gente en Cuba es tristeza, son más felices que nosotros que nos pasamos la vida trabajando para pagar renta, casa, carro, deudas, etc.
En Cuba la gente no tiene mucha cosas, pero tiene el cariño de la famila, los amigos y los vecinos, eso no lo venden en los WalMarts de aquà todavÃa y si te caes en la calle te pasan por arriba pa' que te acabes de joder,en esa Cuba de hoy si te caes enseguida te dan la mano pa' que te levantes.
fiuntach,
What would have happened? Exactly what has happened to Cuba. Stagnation ... trapped in the past ... no elections, no economic progress, only misery, sadness & isolation. I do not need to be schooled on Cuba. As I said, I have heard the truth from people who lived it and who currently live it. Again, I ask ... Why are Cubans risking their lives to come here? If you want to say Viva Cuba for the sole pupose of praising Castro's defiance of the US government because you are so disgusted by it then ... so be it. I'll tell you this ... if there was oil interests in Cuba ... there wouldn't be a Fidel Castro. The messed up thing about this all is the millions of Cubans that have suffered. Castro ... he's living pretty ... actually one of the richest men in the world. The US ... they don't give a hoot. Actually, the are probably better off letting Cuba rot.
ragnarok,
OK, I will ... and BTW ... there probably is some truth to it. I'll go sentence by sentence.
Lo menos que tiene la gente en Cuba es tristeza, son más felices que nosotros que nos pasamos la vida trabajando para pagar renta, casa, carro, deudas, etc.
The least that people have in Cuba is sadness, they are happier than us who spend our lives working to pay the rent, house, car, debt ...
En Cuba la gente no tiene mucha cosas, pero tiene el cariño de la famila, los amigos y los vecinos, eso no lo venden en los WalMarts de aquà todavÃa y si te caes en la calle te pasan por arriba pa' que te acabes de joder,en esa Cuba de hoy si te caes enseguida te dan la mano pa' que te levantes.
In Cuba the people do not have many things, but they have the love of their family, friends and neighbors. They do not sell this in the WalMarts here yet and if you fall in the street they run you over to finish you off, in Cuba someone would give you a hand to help you get up.
Anyway ...
Look my friend, do not be fooled ... the grass is always greener on the other side. We the people are always played by our politicians ... they put us against each other. They tell us we have a choice "right or left" when they are all the same shit. Look at how they claim that they are here to represent us and they put laws in place to send our jobs overseas, force us into bankrupcy, etc. They make us fight over gay mariage and other bullshit that doesn't do much for our pockets. The writer of the song above is an idealist ... I used to see myself as an idealist ... My mother has always said that in this country you do not live ... you age. There is a lot of truth in that. The truth is ... I get love from my friend and family here also. I am also pretty sure that if I fell in the street one of my neigbors would also lend me a hand. Realistically, people need these things but they also need competition, individualism and the opportunity to distinguish themselves from others. How boring would it be if it wasn't this way? The people that love Castro do not live under his regime and if they do they are from the government. I know a lot of Cubans ... of all classes that came before Castro, after in the 70s, 80s, 90s and even recently. If they showed any admiration for him it was out of fear.
Cuba is a tragedy. If you want to hear beautiful poetry ... read the versus of Jose Marti. There was a true Cuban ... his versus are the words of the famous Guantaramera. When Cuba was Cuba. There is also a song called "La Perla" which means "The Pearl" or "Cuando Sali de Cuba" ... "When I left Cuba".
There is a lot of history in Cuba ... I wish I could also visit but it would be an insult to my mother. She knows that a dime I spend in Cuba is a dime I put in Castro's pocket.
Everyone wants to find a place that is better than the US .... specially these last 7 years ... Unfortunately, Cuba is not it.
I find it funny that the Bush family was involved in the over throw of Castro and yet some idiots think that Kennedy was responsible for the bay of pigs. Some people are just plain stupid. The reason there is no chicken or meat or clothes for that matter is .....THERE IS A FUCKING EMBARGO ON THE ISLAND!!!
The reason there is an embargo is...CASTRO KICKED THE CIA"S ASS IN THE BAY OF PIGS!!!! Who was responsible for the bay of pigs? The same family of idiots responsible for the debacle in Iraq. The BUSH family.
The only chumps are the ones that voted for THE BUSH FAMILY. The rest suffer.
mcpete,
I'm not going to defend the Bushies. The reason for the embargo has as much to do with Castro as it does with the US. If the bastard loved his country and belived in Human Rights he would have had real elections. If he loved his people he would set them free. He's a crook and a murderer.
rcarrace
"Why, till this day, do Cubans risk their lives crossing those 90 miles to come to the US? Why?"
The same reason that Haitians cross an even greater distance, despite the fact that they will most likely be turned back even if they reach US soil (unlike Cubans that get preferential treatment). The US has higher standards of living and economic opportunities that many other nations don't have. This is the biggest reason for immigration to the United States.
Your antidotal evidence doesn't mean a whole lot. Great, you know people, so what? Besides I wouldn't call talking to those that chose to leave a random sample. In any case this isn't really evidence or a compelling argument. Cuban has comparable life expectancies and infant mortality rates to the US (Cuba's infant mortality rate is lower than the US). You talk about economic stagnation while ignoring the effects of the US embargo. The fact is that the Cuban Health Care System is an amazing accomplishment in the face of US economic hostility and limited resources. There is plenty real evidence to back this up. You want to dispute this fine, offer real evidence.
The embargo's entire purpose was to starve the Cuban people into rebellion. Not only is this targeting of a civilian population akin to terrorism but has proved totally ineffective.
Cuba isn't without its problems but your failure to acknowledge well documented facts leaves me to believe you aren't a reasonable person that can be argued with. So I won't waste anymore of my time.
So what's new?
Dems and Repubs are two sides of the same thing.
Dems = Bush enabler
"Not all business men treat their employees bad"
The ones who treat their employees well never attribute their fortune to their own industry & virtue & risk. The decent ones, who do care, are not only modest, but don't sing the praises of a system merely because they happen to have gotten lucky in it; because the good ones have friends & others who, working just as hard, have been ruined, not because they were lazy or even made bad decisions, but because the rug was pulled out from under them . . . I wonder what sort of language will come out of your mouth when the system you love ceases to pet & take care of you?
". I was part of the working class myself and before taking any shit from a boss I would quit"
In other words, you're short-tempered & self-serving, and can't work with other people.
"I wish I could also visit but it would be an insult to my mother. She knows that a dime I spend in Cuba is a dime I put in Castro's pocket."
By your own account, Castro is feasting anyway, so not spending your dimes in Cuba doesn't hurt him; it can only hurt the mother whom you love so deeply. It is never rulers who are hurt by sanctions, but only the populace. Such loving families! oh that I had such a son -- "I know you want me to go on being a selfish, self-righteous pr*ck mother dearest, so I fulfill your fondest wish every day!"
This is a really interesting thread and Cuba has a lot of parallels to what is going on elsewhere in the hemisphere. For those interested please watch John Pilger's film about Democratic movements in Latin and South America. I'm a Middle East expert and know little about the Latin American and South America regions but I found his film to be really thought provoking and powerful about indigenous democractic movements. I think the readers of this thread would really like it:
http://tinyurl.com/2dnazk
crooked7,
You are right I am not going to argue your so called facts and not even acknowledge them. I do not want to argue. You could believe everything you read ... I'll just go by what actual Cubans who have lived it. I'll also base my beliefs on all of those Cubans who are dying to come here. I guess their freedom is more important than all the great health care that Cuba has to offer. Makes a lot of sense huh ... yeah give me health care ... surpress my rights but give me a lot of doctors and medicine ... especially in the first 40 years of my life when I'm most likely not to need it.
Dichterfreund,
Do not try to pretend you could read people ... because you are way off. No system takes care of me ... I do that for myself. I do not praise any system because there is nothing to praise ... I'm so disillusioned by now that I do not expect anything more from my government than allowing me to be free and fend for myself. And ... as far as ...
"In other words, you're short-tempered & self-serving, and can't work with other people."
How the hell would you know? You got that from this ....
"I was part of the working class myself and before taking any shit from a boss I would quit"".
How about that "maybe I respect myself" or "do not let myself be exploited by my boss" ... I'm specifically talking about a supervisor ... not people in general. Really, Think before you reply. It's like you are talking out of your ass.
"Do not try to pretend you could read people … because you are way off."
Narcissistss never have any self-awareness.
"No system takes care of me … I do that for myself. I do not praise any system because there is nothing to praise "
No system? Wow. Private Idaho.
Don't worry, reality will live you alone to create it all by yourself . . .
Everyone here has still missed the point as to why the embargo against Cuba has lasted so long despite it's obvious ineffectiveness in overthrowing Castro.
It's politics. The largest concentration of Cuban refugees and their descendants live in Florida. A key state in deciding Presidential elections.
If all the Viet Nam veterans had clustered in one state with a large number of electoral votes where their vote was the deciding factor upon their return from Viet Nam we would still be embargoing them too.
Lobo Gris
Our Cuba policy is working perfectly. US politicians have a paper tiger they can rail against who is maintained in position by our embargo and inhumane treatment of the families separated by those policies.
Cuba is embargoed to punish it for refusing to be a subservient to the ultra rich and their desire for a playground. The American rich wanted all the Cubans for prostitutes, wait staff and other servants. They are an object lesson for other small nations that do not adore us sufficiently.
Too bad the Hawaiians were unable to accomplish what the Cubans did--maintaining their independence from an Imperialist parasite that saw the islands and its people as "low hanging fruit" to be crushed in Uncle Sam's fist whenever the moment arrived.
Cuba is the example for the world. Fidel Castro is one of the greatest of legitimate leaders and visionaries of all times.
Only brainwashed, selfish consumers oppose his "dictatorship". Humans who understand that we need to share the wealth of the planet support the Revolution. Those who think that abstract capital is the primary answer to the worlds problems should try to eat a dollar bill or drink a pocket full of coins.
Never have I seen healthier children, less cops and more music, art, poetry, dancing and laughter than I did in Cuba...in all it's "poverty".
Viva Fidel!
Viva Hugo!
Viva Revolucion!
Why does the US have an embargo on Cuba in the first place? Is it because Castro is a dictator? No embargo on China so I guess that is not the reason. Human rights violations? No embargo on China. Hmm, what could it be then?
Was Castro not supported early on? I seem to remember my dad buying me a Daniel Boone coonskin cap and a Fidel Castro cap about the same time. (50's) What changed then? I think Castro didn't kiss Uncle Sam's greedy ass and like any schoolyard bully the US reacted. "I'll show you then, take this you ingrate. And after all we've done for you"
The USA's refusal after all these years to make nice with Cuba (and Fidel Castro the Great), makes it clear that old mafia money is still a very significant part of the US establishment.
The huge chips on their pathetic shoulders are a significant component of their mental/emotional dis-ease.
They DO NOT represent the American people.
Wil Van Natta,
If its so good and you like it there. You could always move there.
Castro is a crook and a murderer. People leave Cuba because there is no freedom ... period. This country may have a lot of issues but it is a free country. The only way you could really appreciate that is by living in a country that is not free or by talking to someone close who has experienced it. Catro could have tought the US a lesson without hurting it's his people. There were a lot of hard working and educated people that felt his wrath. He took it upon himself to confiscate property and businesses from a lot of honest people. Not every successful person in Cuba was corrupt. My grand parents worked their butts off to get to where they were ... My father built his own home and one for his parents and Catro took it all. My uncle was imprissoned for trying to leave (he had every right to do so) ... for this reason his father had a stroke ... his mother past away shortly. He destroyed many good families, executed many good people (my mother and her family watched the executions on TV as the prick would show people in order to frighten them). It it obvious that may of the ones posting hear are the ones that are brain washed by al the BS propoganda. There is no doubt that the greed of our government has caused much grief but it there is no comparison to the rule of a dictatorship. Count your blessings and pray that you should never fall under the rule of a prick like Castro.
Hello. I'm also a Cuban American. Well I'm about to gain my citizenship anyways.
I joined this site just to post on this particular article.
My parents were born during those last few years of the Batista government and I have lived in Cuba. I would just like to point out the pros and cons of the Castro government just because I like getting these things organized into straight facts.
Pros:
-Free Schooling. Kindergarden to University. Be anything that you're smart enough to be. Do bad in school and you are a farmer or something low.
-Free Health Care. Need heart surgery? There's a doctor right down the block. Wake him up at 2 A.M. if you want. He'll do it just because you need it. Not because he has to.
That's really all I can think of for pros and all that anyone has mentioned I believe (If you consider literacy rate tied to education and birth rates tied to health care of course. Those are undeniably impressive).
*Just thought I would mention this but people in Cuba are rather friendly. They're raised to be polite. Anything short of that gives your family a bad name. In a country with almost no political connections for regular people, family names translates into influence and some prestige. Reputation is everything there.
Cons:
-While free education may be great and all, it's not very encouraging if you're an auditor, accountant, doctor, or any other career that pays well in the states. In Cuba, the wages are meant to be equal for pretty much everyone. One of the reasons why communism has a hard time prevailing...people don't have that incentive to work harder for more money.
-Keeping that in mind, just like in the states, inflation is going up in Cuba. There's no Congress to raise the minimum wage. Just Castro. But does he really have to?
-Need a job anyways? Well that's easy. Just join the communist party in Cuba. They will literally give you a job. Anyone who works without belonging to it however faces some rather harsh consequences from the police networks.
-When people arrive to the states to stay as a resident or become a citizen, the interviewers suddenly become rather impolite when they find out you were in the communist party. How do people argue with that? "Well, I have to work to eat."
-There may be new supermarkets up, but that doesn't mean everyone can afford to go shopping. People mostly borrow from their neighbors who pool in money for basic necessities. If not, they receive money from relatives in the states.
-So how do people get their food? Food lines. Bread lines. Milk lines. Meat lines.
How do you claim your food? You get a food voucher from the government saying how much of a certain item you can have. Granted that may sound good in the states where people are overweight and have food to spare, not so in Cuba. Children have their milk rations taken away by the government at age 7.
-Mandatory military service at age 16 I believe. If not then 16-18 is the starting point. It's the youth services. Chop up sugar canes in the fields. Now that's serving your country.
-Aging infrastructure. Very little rebuilding takes place. Very little government money ever makes it to fix anything for that matter. Including the armed forces.
-No other political representation available. There are elections, but they are redundant. No one can challenge Castro. Not without losing some part of their body.
-Internet? Yes. Only for those who are friendly with the government high enough. Computers? TVs? Yes. They can be bought for about a year's worth of your salary I believe. How do most people own TVs then? Raffles. No joke. The neighborhood is rounded up for goodies to be distributed in a raffle. Gotta have lady luck on your side.
-Very hard to leave the country by any means, legal or illegal.
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I understand that some of their socialist experiments like health care and education sound wonderful to us. However, someone's taxes have to be raised to provide that.
For many people in Cuba, the cons outweigh the pros. That's why there are thousands of refugee incidents of people on rafts floating to Florida.
The U.S. embargo does hurt the Cuban economy. The U.S. just doesn't know what to do. They're giving Cuba the cold shoulder and hoping they will change.
Eventually something has to happen. This is what people hope. But then again hope is not much of a plan.
For people in Cuba, hope is all they have. They want and need change. They're just scared of a bloodbath. The same way that the colonial Royalists were afraid of breaking away for fear of massacres. I don't blame anyone afraid of bloodbaths. The world is a scary place.
Most people in Cuba are just waiting for Castro's death. His brother is too incompetent to manage Cuba like Castro. Not that Castro is a good administrator. His brother is much worse though.
People's general mindset is that it's just a matter of time till change occurs.
To those waiting I say this: Fifty years and counting.
Counter-revolutionaries love to hate Castro. It's easy to believe that he micro-manages everything in Cuba and that everything will change when he dies. I have visited Cuba on a student visa three times, and I have learned that local, provincial, and national elections for legislative assemblies reward candidates by their service to communities, not by their ability to have expensive, flashy soundbites on TV ads; and this prevails regardless of candidates' status with the Communist Party.
I see many comments about the many Cubans who risk their lives to cross the sea to the US. Every year hundreds of Mexicans die in the desert as they flee their capitalist, "democratic" (plutocratic) country. Cuba is relatively poor because of the history of colonialism under Spain and neo-colonialism under the US. Cubans risk their lives to go to the US for the same reason that Algerians risk their lives to go to France. The crumbs that fall from the empires' tables can be tempting.
I've met many Cubans who love the Revolution, and some of them are from families that were rich or middle class before 1959. They embody Amilcar Cabral's concept of class suicide. Cuba is neither heaven nor hell, but it is on its own political, social, and economic path. And socialism is there to stay. It survived the special period following the end of supportive trade with the Soviet Union, it has survived decades of the US blockade, and it will survive the death of Castro.