The genoocidal policy of Israel toward Palestinians will not be solved by bantustanization. As the funding entity, we are responsible and should demand a one state solution with equal citizenship for Palestinians or we should cut off all money to Israel. No progressive should vote for a candidate not willing to do this.

It's about time the Israelis put the swastika smack dab in the middle of the star of David on their flag, eh?

I don't like what CommonDream are doing.

I counted 4 stories on the Israeli- Palestinian conflict just on CD the front page. On the same time I saw 0 stories on real Genocide such as what is happening in Sudan (500 times more casualties) I really see any humanitarian story on how Kurds and Arabs are being treated in Iran.

Focusing so much on any tiny piece of story that help paint Israel in dark colors, while neglecting 2,300,000 tragedies in Sudan and hundreds of millions of other world width horrors.

What CD are doing has a name. It is called Manufacturing consent.
Noam Chomski wrote a book about that subject.

Good point, Jaded Prole. I will follow that rule of thumb, which leaves very few candidates.

... and yours too, Peter. My contempt and despair grow when I wonder whether these leaders of Israel are really mutants of the human species who lack all conscience and sensibility.

We called many in Hitler's Third Reich MONSTERS, and wondered the same thing.

Evil is as Evil does, and these disgusting leaders are EVIL from head to toe.

And these are the people, the rabid Christian Right support in the cause of ARMAGEDDON ... and RAPTURE time.

I'd rather be living in a cave somewhere than be in that boring Heaven "up there" with the likes of all of them fighting over who gets to sit next to that Bloodthirsty Patriarchal Bearded Wonder on HIS throne. UGH!!!!

Again ... Jaded Prole has it right.

Yeah, vet's right, don't look over here, look over there. Why can't God's chosen people steal land, shoot peaceful protesters and drown their own promised land in their own promised shit if the Sudanese are doing really bad things? It's totally unfair that this is being reported.
You know what you're doing you bunch of filthy antisemites? You are manufacturing consent, yeah! Now, what are you going to do about that hey?

I partially agree with the comment on candidates. But we can't keep kidding ourselves that there is a perfect candidate. It is incumbent on us to change the discourse in this country. Let's start by supporting democracy by calling for unconditional engagement with the democratically elected majority in Palestine, (Hamas), instead of calling for preconditions and undermining the Palestinian people's choice. If the Progressive, Trotskyist, Socialist, etc. Movement can't commit "to seek ways to listen, learn and support, rather than engage in dividing, deciding or speaking on others' behalf" in Palestine, how can we expect our leaders to work to achieve compromises with democratically engaged political parties? to accept the democratic decisions of the Palestinian people? Dictatorship and Apartheid are greater threats to humanity than Political Islam.

www.araborganizing.org/solidarity

Demonizing Iran is certainly on the Israelis agenda as the neocons want their war by hook or by crook.

I also find it appaling how the Israelis would not allow Darfur refugees into Israel given all the outcries by certain groups about the Darfur crisis http://tinyurl.com/3e2zc5 .

dougnwagner - The Hamas is one of the most racist political movement that exists. It is true that they won the election. But so did the Nazi party in 1933 Germany.

Also - I'm not sure the Israeli government can talk with the Hamas even if the want.

Here is a quote from the Hamas charter:

"There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors."

dcbeltway - I'm in favour of an unbiased research. The numbers don't lie.

See how many people were executed / killed / persecuted / cleansed in each country out of the list of 192 UN members.

You will find out that Israel is probably ranked as one of the top 50 best behaved countries in the world.

Certenly better ranked than Iran, who executed 40,000 people for their political, religious or sexual preferences.

Once more into the fray - first yesterday, and then a second time today. Has CommonDreams some agenda? At the end of yesterdays session it came down to this:
1) The State of Israel is a reality that is not going to disappear.
2) The stated aim of Hamas [Iran, Saudi Arabia...] is the destruction of the State of Israel.
3) Hamas is a terrorist organization.
4) We, the US, democratically "elected?" Geroge Bush twice. Elections are advertising games, as we American have proven so well.
5) Does George Bush represent you, most of the readers of CD?
6) Who does Israel sit at a table with? Hamas is not the only representative of the Palestinians, what about Abbas of Al Fatah who is willing to talk, and has, maybe reluctently accepted #1. Who supports, financially whom?
7) Whom does all this benefit? Who, on a global scale, benefits from this?

The United States Century is over, the Western European Centuries are over, the control of the worlds economy is in the Middle East, who wins in this? Are we going to allow this. Ask me again after the State of Israel is destroyed and the US has no bases to protect our oil supply in the Middle East. Ask me again when the entire region reneters the 17th and 16th century, where education and social justice, is gone and the rule is the rule of the gun, of terror, kidnapping, rape and murder. Ask me again when Israelis are once again dispersed among the nations.

Do the Palestinan people need help? You bet they do. But they are not getting it. And it is not the fault of Israel or even of the US. Their leaders are keeping them where thay have been for over a hundred years, as the dreg and pawns od Muslim society, good for killing and being killed but not good enough to become a citizen of Jordan, Sytrai, Iran, Lebanon or Saudi Arabia.

Many mistakes have been and are being made in this region, as ir has been for centuries. Yet no one is looking to make it all beter. Should the Israelis have built a wall to divide the land? Not if they didn't need to. WHoudl George Bush be building a wall to protect the US from Mexicans?

If you need to accept the geopolictal reality as it is today, you will need to realign your view to fit into it. If you want your people to benefit, then teach them to read, give them decent food, hospitals, allow them to engage in commerce with whomever they choose, teach them to live with their neighbors, not how to kill them.

I'm sorry, that a man's livelihood was taken away is a shame, he is another innocent victim of this. When inncoent victims, be they cafe patrons in Tel Aviv, or farmers on the West Bank stop getting hurt, when the stated aim of one of the parties to peace is not to kill and destroy the other party, then we talk.

I for one am not talking to a guy with a gun who hates me, I ain't going near him, because he has no qulams about killing me. Do you expect nation-states to commit suicide?

Let's MoveOn and use all this energy to make our world, our country, our homes and families better. So, go ahead a zap me, but I am outta this, cause it is words and music signifying nothing. Accept the reality, and work with it, don't get the hopes of poor innocent people up, while depriving them of basic needs, by lying to them.

If Israel is so well behaved why did it turn away Darfur refugees and refuse Palestinian refugees the right to return???

If Israel is so well behaved why do they jail a whistle blower like Mordechai Vanunu who pointed out Israel's nuclear weapons arsenal of over 200 weapons?

If Israel is so well behaved why has it violated more UN mandates then any other Middle East Country?

If Israel is so well behaved why did it attack civilian infrustructure in Lebanon including airports, schools, and hospitals last year when its goal was to get Hizbololah?

If Israel is so well behaved why does it need to sanction its neighbors including Syria and Iran and let people suffer under sanctions.

If Israel is so well behaved why did it support a pre-emptive strike against Iraq and is endorsing the same for Iran?

If Israel is so well behaved why did it allow the IDF to run over Rachel Corrie and kill other ISM activists?

If Israel is so well behaved why does commondreams always post these articles?

Finally, if Iran is such a threat to Israel why don't the Iranian Jews leave Iran? They are the largest Jewish community outside Israel in the Middle East? Is it because they are proud of their Persian heritage and don't buy into radical Zionism?

As I don't have all day to write this list I will stop here. However, it could be a lot longer.

I have never seen Vets post on any other topic but this one.

Yeah, you're right again vets, don't look at Israel, look at Nazi-Germany, look at Iran, Israel is better than Iran, dare I say it's even better than Nazi-Germany. Look at Sudan, look at wherever but don't look here. Move along now, you cannot criticize Israel, that is antisemitism.
Actually I didn't want to say that because it makes me look so stupid, but hey it's true!
And Hamas is the nazi-party, because they were elected too, so there! What occupation? Nazi-Germany was occupied too when Hitler was elected in 1933 - and even then they didn't have something like the Hamas charter, if that isn't proof enough. I know my history. You can't talk to Hamas, that would make you Chamberlain, yeah! And Hamas wasn't created with the help of Likud, that's a filthy lie! What are you a fucking racist or something?

Great article and very nice to see. I was in Bethlehem earlier this summer and joined numerous Friday protests, including at this location - Artas. For a long time Palestinians have been doing this peaceful and non-violent resistance to the Wall, the Occupation and in this case the simple theft of their land (for settler sewage!). A few observations:

1) These protests are done by not only Palestinians. Progressive Israelis and international activists are there also, actively supporting. The Israelis play an important role talking with the soldiers and explaining the injustice in Hebrew.

2) It is highly counter-productive to compare Israeli policies with German Nazism. Time and again I have seen this divert discussion, shut minds, and undermine the cause of peace with justice. I have yet to hear a single Palestinian do it. Whether there is any comparison is beside the point.

3) Regarding Hamas, the smear and distortion campaign continues. Hamas offered discussion and a long term peace treaty with Israel. They unilaterally enacted their own suspension of attacks for over a year before the elections. See Jimmy Carter's where he documents how Hamas tried to form coalition government with Fatah after Hamas won the election. Israel, the US and West preach democracy. Their practice is different.

4)"Right to exist"? The issue is acceptance of Israel as a Zionist state where anyone who can claim some Jewish heritage has preferential rights and any Arab is discriminated against. The civilized world should not accept this "right" to be ethnically biased.

4) In Tel Aviv there was a great demonstration against the occupation on June 10. There is a good video on You Tube titled "Protest in Tel Aviv" from Munster43. It features interviews with Israelis who denounce the occupation, advocate for true democracy, and correctly point out that violence and discrimination against Palestinians is the source of insecurity. I saw Israelis on the front lines in demonstrations in the Occupied Territories ... where they are breaking Israeli law just be being present. My hat is off to them as well as the courageous Palestinians who face some much abuse and hardship while being continually slandered.

- Rick
www.rickinpalestine.blogspot.com

Commondreams also just posted an article on Israel's deportation of Sudanese refugees:
http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/08/21/3305/

Having just read the article about the deportation of 50 sudanese from Isreal, I had a couple of questions.

1. Why are they trying to get into Israel? Why not some other country?

2. They say they are trying to flee persecution from the egyptians. The article goes on to say that there are 2 million sudanese refugees in Egypt, and that the complain about discrimination and state brutality. Why isn't the article about that, and not the fifty that have tried to cross into Israel? Where are the people that are speaking out about these 2 million refugees?

Simple Bligh because the Israelis are the ones raising awareness for Darfur to begin with. So they are being hypocritical.
http://tinyurl.com/29b9rs

The Egyptians aren't doing anything and that you are correct on. They should. But they aren't the ones shouting Free Darfur by the way.

I can see where that would be hypocritical. Still, the article becomes a "gotcha Israel" article, with no real concern for the people involved. I would think that if 2 million people are being subjected to state brutality, as the article says, it would warrant at least minimal coverage on Common Dreams.

Say, one article on the the Egyptian abuse of Sudanese refugees for every 5 articles on the Israeli abuse of Palestinians?

dcbeltway, Oebi
The Israeli subject is close to my hart. Do you have problem with that?
I also like subjects such as Energy, Climate change, History etc. Here is example of articles I posted which are not related to Israel. You can see that my post are dated prior to your claims that I only post on one topic.

Why 'Peak Oil' May Soon Pique Your Interest

http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/08/15/3196/

The Myths of World War II

http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/08/13/3139/

dcbeltway - I never said Israel is well behave. There are many issues and problems with the Israeli policy that are not right. All I said was "one of the top 50 best behave". (Which means better behave)

Better behave is not identical to well behave.

You can give the name of Rachel Corrie, a tragedy indeed (Which I'm sure not planed by the Israeli government. You know that name because you are well educated in all of Israel missbehaved.

Can you give the names of all 2,300,000 black christians who die in Sudan? Can you give but one name?

Are you confident that you judge Israel under the same basic humanitarian rules that you judge everyone else on this planet?

What is occuring in Palestine is an Israeli version of genocide, which is aided and abeted and financed by the neo-cons, both of the Republican Party and the centrist Democrats. It is sickening that israle will receive $30 billion in free military aid, while Bush decimates health care for lower income children.

Those of you interested in voting for CLINTON might reconsider when you take into consideration her stance on Israel (thats why one of the reasons I'm voting for Obama).

So "vets" doesn't like talk about what the Israeli government is doing to Palestinians? I think perhaps (and I may be optimistic) that it's a twinge of conscience on his/her part.
It's painful to hear what your own people are doing to weaker ones. I imagine that decent Germans felt the same when Nazis were exterminating Jews.
You do NOT want to believe that your own country is doing incredibly evil things. But as we all know, they REALLY DID, and even proudly documented it for posterity.
I feel the same horror and dismay when I read what the US did to the Native Americans, African-Americans, Vietnamese, Iraqis, and god-know-who else. Yet it's ALL TRUE. And if we don't face it, and change it, we will all go down with the sinking ship.

Vets: YOU ARE THE MAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bligh: Truth!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Vets, I have read your postings with great delight. You certainly know your history. I for one am disgusted by the ugly anti-semitism disguised as criticism of Israel rampant on Common Dreams. The stupidity of comparing a loss of some someone's crops to the systematic murder of six million people of one ethnic race is beyond belief. These people obviously do not believe that the Jewish people have a right to self determination. They do not believe that the Jewish people have a right to have their own Jewish state where they can protect themselves from these very people who keep thinking of ways to wipe them out. One writer wrote that there should be a one state solution. Combined with his comment re: right of return, this would effectively get rid of a JEWISH state, wouldn't it? I think that's the point. One has to wonder why Israel is always judged by different standards then other countries are including those who really do commit ethnic cleansing or genocide.

Bligh, I think you hit the nail on the head.
The editors on this website do not really care about what arabs do to other arabs and others because that does not further their agenda. They do however post articles like this one about how the "evil" Jews (oh, I mean Israelis) are dumping sewage on the Palestinians. ITS GENOCIDE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Whats up???????????????????????????????

The US Congress doesn't even hold Israel to the same standards as we do other countries. Had Rachel Corrie died in China, Egypt, Brazil, or France by their military forces there would have been an investigation. Since its Israel the IDF gets away with murder.

Criticizing Israel is not anti-semitism. Its holding Israel to the same standards as everyone else in the world community. But its easy to scream and whine anti-semtism and racism when you cannot refute people's arguments or the reality on the ground.

Read this comment by Francis Boyle, Professor of International Law, University of Illinois

"I spoke with the head military lawyer for the IDF [Israel Defense Forces], Joel Zinger, and I said 'You know, I'm two weeks here. It's clear you people are inflicting Nuremburg crimes on the Palestinians -- exactly what the Nazis did to the Jews. What's your explanation?' He said 'Military necessity'. Notice, he didn't disagree with me. I said 'That argument was rejected at Nuremburg when the lawyer for the Nazis made it.' So then he said 'Well, we have public relations people in the United States, and they handle these matters for us.' "

PS:

Another pertinent comment, this one from Paul Findlay, a former U.S. Congressman:

""I don't believe my neighbors here in Jacksonville, my hometown since my birth, have any idea how much trouble they're in, all of us in America are in. We're in a deep hole because we're so heavily biased in favor of Israel, and the whole world knows it, and they're astounded by it. They can't comprehend why America, with its great cherished traditions, would close its eyes to the dreadful punishment that we have enabled Israel to inflict on virtually defenseless people."

marta - "So "vets" doesn't like talk about what the Israeli government is doing to Palestinians?"

Sure I do. Otherwise I wouldn't be here.

"You do NOT want to believe that your own country is doing incredibly evil things."

My own country is Canada. What Evil thing are they doing?

dcbeltway - "Criticizing Israel is not anti-Semitism."

I went through your past posts dcbeltway, even though I don't always agree with you, they are clearly NOT anti-Semitism.
However, some of the other commenters in CommonDreams are hard core anti-Semites:

-I have read calls for Nuclear Holocaust that will kill all Israelis.
-I have read calls to ethnically cleansed all the Israeli citizens and sent them on boats to Europe.
-I have read calls for crime against humanity only against Jews (Firing rockets on civilian targets), because Jews control the world finance.
-I have reared calls to shoot 6 millions Israelis (All the Non-Liberal Israelis)
-I also don't agree when comparing Israel to Nazi Germany. This type of comments should be dismissed as either Holocaust denial or ignorance.

Vets I agree totally that those comments that you list are anti-semitic and appaling. Posters like that do not help the cause of peace and justice.

However, Adamslp says anti-semitism is disguised as criticism of Israel. I take offence to that as not all critiques of Israel are anti-semities. In fact some of the most important critics of the Israeli government are jews such as Amira Haas who write for Ha'Aretz and lives amongst the Palestinians in Gaza.

Elsewhere across the West Bank, Palestinian villagers are facing land confiscation as illegal settlement colonies expand and tumble down hillsides. Some are watching as crops and orchards become poisoned and contaminated from raw sewage being actively pumped into their land from the sewage treatment facilities inside Israeli settlements.

Wow.

So, literally, the people in the settlements are shitting on the Palestinians.

My own country is Canada. What Evil thing are they doing?

Putting gravy on french fries!

OH THE HUMANITY!!!

;)

Vet,
Thanks for the posting.
Well here you are telling me how "Not all the commenters in CD who criticize Israel are anti-Semites." Immediately after you post that we get:
1. Palestinian-Israeli marraiges are not recognised by Israel.(I guess he doesn't know that in Saudi Arabia Non Muslim men are forbidden to marry moslem women. Or practice their religion, or own land, etc.
2. Israeli freedoms they are a mirage. Your examples are assinine.
Does the Israeli state recognize coverts to Judasim who are reformed Jews? Israel is a Jewish State. It is not a pleuralistic society like the United States, but citizenry are accorded equal rights. Every state has the right to set whatever immigration policies it see fit for its national interests. Stop holding Israel to double standards wherever you can find them.
3. They are putting walls around Palistinian comunities much like the Nazi's did. The new "Auschwitz". Wow!
4. And when you criticize Israel, its American Quislings scream anti-semitism. So now we are traitors to America because we defend Israel from the same people who really do hate America.
5 Israel launched a perpetual pogrom against the Palestinians 40 years ago

I guess your defense of these good people who only object to US expansionist policies just flew out the window.

Anyway, you keep up the good fight. As for me, I've made up my mind that you can't reason with people who hate us. Even if you smack them over the head with it, they just keep getting up like zombies and like zombies they have no minds of their own. The only country they hate more than Israel is their own.

Shalom/Salaam

Pere Ubu "Putting gravy on french fries!"

French fries? What's that? You probably mean freedom fries.

Vets says "-I have read calls for Nuclear Holocaust that will kill all Israelis."

Hmm. I'm pretty sure I've heard some of our elected and non elected officials threaten Iran and even Syria with Atomic weapons. I guess that makes 'em Anti-semitic as well since Arabs (if not Persians) are also Semites.

I for one am disgusted by the ugly anti-semitism disguised as criticism of Israel rampant on Common Dreams.

dcbeltway, Read what I wrote. I did not say all criticism of Israel is anti-semitism. However the above posting by vets puts my comments in perspective. If you think that the anti-semitic left is not using the israeli palestinian issue to disguise their Jew hating rhetoric on a regular basis, you're wrong.

Jaalle-John McCain's little youtube fumble on changing the Beach Boys "Barbarann to Bomb Iran" comes to mind.
http://tinyurl.com/3atk9f
Persians are not semites though.

Of course I am equally disgusted by the hatred of Arabs, Persians and Muslims I see posted on commondreams often thinly disguised as supporting Israel Adamsslp. It goes both ways believe me.

Also at least people in Israel are allowed to criticise their government without having their heads cut off. At least in Israel, Palestinians are allowed to sue in court (and often will). At least in Israel, Arab citizens are allowed to vote for representatives to the government who are allowed to criticise the government in front of the Knesset, to the applause of some Israelis who agree with them. Also, would the Palestinians in the West bank let Amira Haas live among them if she wasn't so critical of her own government.

Just as in the EVIL USA, the EVIL Israelis let their citizens say whatever they want. And many Israelis criticise their government. Where do you see criticism of the Moslem countries in their media other than that they aren't doing enouph to destroy Israel.

No Beltwyadc, It doesn't go both ways. I've not said anything hateful regarding arabs. I've only pointed out the anti-jewish remarks of pointed headed little dweebs like you.

"would a marriage between a Palestinian Muslim and an Israeli Jew be recognized by the state of israel?"

I hope the hypothetical marriage is not between a Jewish Man and a Muslim Woman. Could be a problem......

DJ_DiaLogic - When you compare the West bank to Auschwitz, there are only two possible logical conclusions:

A).You think that in the holocaust, all that the Nazi did is killing some 5000 Jews, most of them armed militant, during asymmetric fighting which also killed some 1200 German. Grab some land from some Jewish communities, and built some faces and walls that put constrains on Jewish travel.

In this case I can safely calls you Holocaust denier.

B) You think that Israel is conducting mass executions of millions of Palestinians in extermination camps, Gas chambers, Furness etc. Which should have killed by now ~ 90% of Palestinians.

In this case I can safely say you are an ignorant fool.

Which one you are? A. or B? That is for you to answer.

It's time to just call it what it is, "Auschwitz".

Adamslp - Not all the commenters in CD who criticize Israel are anti-Semites.

Some of them are good people, who object US expansionist policy. Their strong biased critic of Israel (While ignoring Israel's enemies far greater atrocities) is derived from the fact that Israel is the darling of the USA in the middle east.

See hatred and ignorance of Muslims I rest my case. Not only that you resort to ad homein attacks. Obviously you have never watched Al Jazeera where Israeli Jewish leaders are often invited to debate on live telivision with Arab Muslim counterparts. Al Jazeera English is even more revolutionary.

By not condemining the sewage being dumped on Palestinian Arabs you are furthering hate and you know it! You'd rather distract everyone with other issues.

By the way will a marriage between a Palestinian Muslim and an Israeli Jew be recognized by the Israeli state? These marriages do happen on occasion and they are not recognized by Israel. Does the Israeli state recognize coverts to Judasim who are reformed Jews? I think not Israel only recognizes converts who are orthodox. Does the Israeli state allow Palestinians to travel freely without checkpoins and permits? Can a West Bank Palestinian simply cross in Gaza without going through these? Land owned by Jews is redeemed land and land not owned by Jews is considered unredeemed under the law. Sephardic Jews are routinely discriminated against in Israel compared to their Ashkenazi counterparts.So don't lecture to me on Israeli freedoms they are a mirage.

Discrimination against Palestinians in Israeli schools:
http://www.hrw.org/reports/2001/israel2/

vets...

You Wrote:
"I also don't agree when comparing Israel to Nazi Germany. This type of comments should be dismissed as either Holocaust denial or ignorance."

There making these comparisons easier and easier. Pay attention. They are putting walls around Palistinian comunities much like the Nazi's did. The new "Auschwitz". All of Isreal should be ashamed.

your right on the don't vote for Clinton hye hopes.

but im afraid Obama isn't much better. As for his stance on Israel i don't know and he hasn't posted it on his website. But i do know the his plan for "ending the war in Iraq" involves keeping permanent bases for counter terrorism operations (which is why i say "end" not end.) Also he plans on ending the war not by leaving but by increasing the military spending and (im not sure about this detail but have heard it from several aquaintances maybe someone reading this can give back it up) reinstituting the draft. He also supported the US backed preemptive invasion of Somalia by Ethiopia last winter.

then there is Edwards, sure he says on his website that the wants to cut off funding and end the war, so they why did he sighn off on the military budget in 2003/4/5 and maybe more but i can't find it, and voted for homeland security.

just gotta chime in here cuz clinton, obama, and edwards are all desperate for the anti war vote and try to get it with half truths and b.s. websites but we can't be fooled into another war monger president like clinton #1. Dennis Kucinich is the one who we can trust. He has the voting record, clean financing, and the mainstream media is terrified of him (must be good.) Vote KUCINICH!

These people are without a vestige of shame. And when you criticize Israel, its American Quislings scream anti-semitism. One would have thought that their own experiences in Nazi death camps would have taught them some humility in dealing with others. But the idea that one is a member of a group that has a special covenant with god doesn't allow for humility.

There needs to be a total, worldwide boycott of everything coming out of Israel, including an ibntellectual boycott.

LMAO "There needs to be a total, worldwide boycott of everything coming out of Israel, including an ibntellectual boycott"

Guess you started that boycott already did you?

As I have posted before, the Wall will make the separation between Palestine and Israel permanent. If the Palestinians aren't willing to deal, they are going to lose everything they have left and be barred from Israel forever. Already their jobs there have been replaced by foreigners from other countries and new Israeli immigrants. The future for them has to be peace on fair terms with Israel or poverty till their host countries, Syria, Lebanon, and Jordan, decide they are human beings with rights to citizenship there.

Progressives that call for a boycott on Israel simply are no longer able to tell right from wrong. Palestine is in a continual state of war with Israel and they target women and children without compunction. Israel responds and the cycle continues, but the war started with Palestine and it needs to end there. Palestine can have peace any time it wants, but the terms will get worse and worse and worse with time. If you want to end the violence, call on the Palestinians to deal honestly with Israel while they still can.

Hang in there Vets. I don't agree with you on a lot of things, but you are right on the money on this issue. You are thoughtful and aware of history.