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The largest surprise in Senator Hillary Clinton's campaign for president, so far, is her success in establishing herself as a viable commander-in-chief.
As the Globe reported last week, polls suggest that Clinton is widely regarded as "tough enough" to protect national security. Her work on the Senate Armed Services Committee; her early vote in support of the war in Iraq, and her ongoing refusal to renounce that vote; the aggressiveness of her rhetoric after Sept. 11, 2001, including her embrace of the "war on terrorism"; her support, however ambivalent, for missile defense, and her proposals to expand the Army; even her somewhat prickly personality -- all of this combines, apparently, to create an image that nervous voters find reassuring. Given the depth of anti-female stereotyping, this is a remarkable political achievement.
As a first-time candidate for president, Bill Clinton had a toughness problem, too. Fighting off his image as a peacenik, he ran a campaign in 1992 that emphasized what he called "a new covenant for American security."
But after the victorious Gulf War and the Soviet collapse, the nation had turned its attention inward, and Clinton could aim his laser at the economy. Yet he slyly portrayed himself as more militant than George H.W. Bush. "Saddam Hussein still has his job," ran one Clinton ad, "Do you?"
The final meaning of "It's the economy, stupid" is that it was stupid to think that economic questions were more important than national security issues in the pivotal eight years of the Clinton presidency. The national security decisions that Clinton made have turned out to be more epoch-shaping than anyone imagined at the time. One needn't look back on those decisions from a moral high horse to realize how flawed they were.
Coming into power as the world's relationship to military force was being fundamentally altered by such figures as Anwar Sadat, Yitzhak Rabin, Óscar Arias, Lech Walesa, Mikhail Gorbachev, Václav Havel, Nelson Mandela, John Hume, Corazon Aquino, and Pope John Paul II, Clinton was unable to claim what should have been his natural place among them.
Instead, he squandered a golden opportunity to reshape his nation's relationship to war and peace, preserving a Cold War military ethos -- and budget -- and handing it on to George W. Bush, fully intact. Whether or not Clinton was tough enough to take on America's enemies, he turned out not to be tough enough to take on America's defenders. The great contest given him by history was with the Pentagon -- a contest for which he did not show up.
In assessing Hillary Clinton's readiness to be commander-in-chief, voters can move on from the toughness question to the far more difficult one about judgment. In that, voters have a tremendous resource, which is Clinton's own history as an intimate witness to, and even participant in, her husband's administration. What judgments does she make today about the great national security decisions that faced her husband? Take three examples:
Nuclear weapons. Bill Clinton's most fateful decision was made in 1994, in response to the Pentagon's Nuclear Posture Review -- a call for maintaining the nuclear status quo as a "hedge" against the possibility that Moscow would go fascist. When Clinton accepted the review, the nuclear arms reduction process died, the universally accepted goal of an ultimate elimination of nuclear weapons was abandoned, and the next round of proliferation began. The review, as one wag put it, was the insurance policy that started the fire.
NATO. The Cold War ended nonviolently only because Moscow accepted the admission of a reunited Germany into NATO. Moscow believed American assurances that NATO would move no farther east, but Clinton aggressively sponsored NATO expansion into the former Soviet sphere, dangerously isolating Russia. Today's tensions between Russia and the United States began with Clinton's NATO expansion.
Missile defense. Despite knowing the science that debunked the assertions of missile defense advocates, and that missile defense was prohibited by the ABM Treaty, Clinton kept the program alive, laying the groundwork for President Bush's deployment last year. The weaponizing of space has begun, as have arms-race responses in Russia and China. All for an unworkable fantasy.
Hillary Clinton's Senate record (as on missile defense) is ambiguous. Her experience of the 1990s could be a greater asset, but she owes voters a more forthright accounting. What did she think of her husband's fateful decisions then? What does she think of them now?




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Show AllAll that and a smug, self-satisfied expression every time she hears herself speak. But, did you notice yesterday, the sullen expression when challenged? What could the other "candidates" be thinking? Don't they know that her entitlement is not to questioned?
One day, in the future, America will finally understand that loving peace is an idea taught by Jesus and does not mean you enjoy getting ass raped by Republicans. One day...
For now we will apparently settle for anyone who appears tough since none of us are willing make any personal sacrifices for others.
Hillary's real problem is that she has spent a lifetime telling powerful campaign contributors what they want to hear. Now she has taken 4 different positions on every single issue.
Seeking Power at any cost... Especially yours.. Vote Hillary (She didn't give Bill the blow job)
all this 'air' time to clinton!!! why keep her name out front? it is time to stop. there are better alternatives/candidates.
Here's a question for Hillary Clinton:
Why are you running for President when over 50% of the poplution would, under no circumstances, vote for you?
And what are these generalities of widely accepted as tough enough...I wouldn't trust Rodham to watch my dogs. Some of the articles on CD are way to willing to work within the DLC/ Business parties framework. It's vexing.
BTW, if Moscow would have "went fascist" we would have bombed them...we would have invested them!
Why would anybody vote for her? Why would anybody want to solidify the US as a country that rotates between 2 dynasties, the Bushes and the Clintons, instead of even having a thin shred of resemblance to being a democracy?
Carroll stated that Bill Clinton provided tough rhetoric directed towards America's enemies. Wrong! America's greatest enemies are those running the military industrial complex and he coddled them (though not as much as the Bushes have).
As for Hillary, though her high negatives put her in a poor position in any two-candidate race, she automatically wins any race in which there are more than two viable candidates because of the large percentage of women who will vote for her simply because she is a woman. That means there is no way she can lose the Democratic nomination unless all but one of the other viable candidates bow out. And that is highly unlikely.
kivals,
Wow I'm not quite sure what to make of that analysis. Historically women in this country DON'T just vote for a woman because she is a woman.
And I could be wrong but I would be willing to place a bet in Vegas that Hillary's current "success" is based solely on name recognition. If you remember back in 2000 Bush was instantly the frontrunner and nobody even knew anything about the guy outside of Texas. Had there been a "real conservative" (aka reactionary) Bush might have lost.
Add this to the fact that Hillary does have competition in in Iowa and I still think Obama or Edwards will get the nod. Hopefully Edwards...
The MSM has already elected Hillary. She is as close to Bush as the Republicans can get and still be on the other side of the fence. The other candidates are just sideliners who do not warrant air time. There are other viable candidates and we need to hear more from them. By November 2008 everyone is going to be campaign weary and it isn't going to make a whole lot of difference who wins, just as long as it is over!
I will just treat her the same way she treated us when we were so desperately begging her to just to meet us before the Iraq war vote.
I do not think that just because she is a woman she will get all of the feminine vote. She certainly hasn't made any attempt to coddle the women's issues. The women I know are not likely to vote for Hillary because of her pro-military stance. And, she is dragging her feet on the issues that women care about. I won't vote for anyone, man or woman, who has decided to cuddle up to Rupert Murdock.
annabelle,
I disagree. Just as with the Dean phenom of 04 this too shall pass.
I think we can all agree that MSM has been surprisingly gentle with Clinton. I think they are waiting for her to get the nomination to light into her. I don't know about Thompson's conservative credentials but Gulliani has none. The republican base recognizes he has too many political liabilities to get elected. For instance, I'm not sure any social or religious conservative would vote for a man who cheated on his wife with his secretary...unless it was a vote cast against Clinton...
How come robert kennedy jr's name doesn't come up as a candidate? His work on the environment and election fraud demonstrate the qualities I would like to see in a president.
A couple of supporters...
"Former Hollywood madam and current rural Nevada small businesswoman Heidi Fleiss was turned away from Hillary Clinton's appearance in Pahrump last week, but she doesn't hold a grudge."
(snip)
"Fleiss is not the first sex-industry veteran to endorse Clinton. The campaign has the official backing of porn star Jenna Jameson.
Well if two bona fide whores of babylon support Clinton why aren't we all following their example?
Thenihilist,
I am just going by polls I have seen, where there is a significant difference with regard to support of Hillary by gender, with younger women preferring her by a large margin. Hillary has not talked up the women's issues, but, as she did at the end of the Sunday morning Iowa debate, she has repeatedly tried to tie her candidacy to the historical struggle for women's rights and women's equality. And she has apparently succeeded in the minds of quite a few women, especially the younger ones.
Historically women have not been more likely than men to vote for female candidates by large margins, but there has never been a viable female candidate for president before.
And I do not mean to sound like a misogynist, as I am sure that if there were one viable male candidate and seven female candidates that male candidate would have a huge advantage because of the number of men who would vote for him simply because he was a man.
And I also recognize, and have pointed out before here in CD comments, that the corporate media is laying off of Hillary until she formally gets the nomination. Then all hell will break loose.
Meanwhile, back on the farm, Kucinich was the winner of Sunday's debate in a live on-line poll conducted by abcnews.com. He won by more than 2,000 votes. Why the HELL are we still talking about this power-hungry, self-centered, condescending scorned sister of a woman? More than anybody, I would love to see a woman become President of this totally misguided country, but please! Not her.
The MSM is nothing more than a corporate sycophant at this point, Boston Globe included.
Mrs Clinton below are some questions for you:
1) Why do you take AIPAC's donations when you know this is coming from a foreign lobby group that wants war with Iran?
2) Why did you change your position on universal health care? Was it because your recieved donations from the healthcare industry?
3) What are you going to do about America's inflated housing crisis? Would you give back your donations from the National Association of Realtors and the Mortgage Banker's Association?
4)Why do you think you would be the best candidate for this country? Most people look to you as a divider and I think we have seen enough of that. In addition, we have had over 28 years of Bush or Clinton on the ticket as Prez or VP don't you think it is time to have someone new? America is not a monarchy/dynasty.
Notice they ignore the polls when Kucinich wins.
He was great and getting better all the time. Stole the show and had the best laugh line. And speaking of women, the camera loves his wife.
Beware, Hillary is just Bush in drag, and will start more Corporate Wars just to prove she has a pair.
"Bill Clinton's most fateful decision was made in 1994, in response to the Pentagon's Nuclear Posture Review — a call for maintaining the nuclear status quo as a "hedge" against the possibility that Moscow would go fascist"
Who would have guessed the USA would go fascist instead?? (hint..I did)
"I do not think that just because she is a woman she will get all of the feminine vote"
come on..Dennis Kucinich is WAY more woman than Hillary will ever be...
kvivals,
I don't think you're a misogynist at all. You're truthful. I'm tired of the idea that pointing out elementary truths makes you a (whatever)ist. I think it underscores the fact that gender-bias is so irreparably grafted to American Society that we can't fairly consider women politicians for high office and we can't find women comedians funny. Sad but true.
As for the MSM, HC's strategists, if they're half as smart as they clearly think they are, have to be waiting for the other pin to drop.
I'm from Iowa and from my observations Hillary comes in 3rd behind Edwards and Obama. And she does not have the woman's vote locked up by any means...When we caucus here and God only knows how soon that may be a candidate has to have a certain percentage depending on the number attending each event. Should some candidates fall below that number there is then those who will try and pull them over to a viable candidate to gain a higher percentage. It is in this moment that many folks will make their final decision and where the soft support for Hillary will fade...hopefully.
Sure there are many things in all this that we could criticize but to be constantly critical of every candidate gets us no where. So pick your candidate and give that person your full support and let the chips fall where they will.
"He won by more than 2,000 votes. Why the HELL are we still talking about this power-hungry, self-centered, condescending scorned sister of a woman?"
If anything, "we" are not talking about her. Corporate media is busily planting the seed that she is THE winner, so we're supposed to give it up.
Listen, with the massive rigged elections of 2000 and 2004 (and perhaps 2006), I now believe that everything can be rigged by the 'cons...including their damned "polls".
If Clinton is accepting Murdock's dirty money, she's poison, in my book.
And I agree with somebody above: This country should have had enough of the Bush and Clinton dynasties by now. Good God, they're destroying us.
I've noticed..... The women who don't like Hillary feel as they do because they are ashamed of their lack of lifetime accomplishments as compared to Hillary's. The men who don't like Hillary are threatened because she is a female and they are insecure.
How about looking beyond the fact that she is a woman and considering her credentials? She is the most experienced of the Dem candidates by far in nearly every arena. She's been around the block. She knows how to play hardball. She has dealt with enough crap in her lifetime that she knows how to get things done. If that makes her a b*tch, fine. We need a president who can kick some butt.
It is hard to care if the republicans win or the democrats. While not travelling at the same speed, they are both headed down the same road. They both accept war as a first resort action, especially to protect corporate assets, and in all this politicizing, compromising, don't accept third party messages, there is one group that comes in last (or not at all)- the general public.
Unless you own stocks in oil and weapons, you are part of the society that is never considered when decisions are being made that that effect our well-being.
How do we counter it? Don't accept the fact that Hillary is commander in chief material, because what we want in a commander in chief is someone who uphold freedom, peace, and human rights for all, first and foremost. To accept anything less is criminal and results in unnecessary suffering.
www.NotOneMore.US - Pledge for Peace
The MSM motto should be: We Decide. You Consent.
ODE magazine called Hillary a true believer. If true it explains a lot.
She was slick willie's "cheney". While Clinton was in office I cast my first non democacrtic presidental vote. The CLinton's have done more to mess up the Democratic party than any one else. Their "triangulation" was a fancy name for pandering. Most people find them slimey. Haven't we had enough slime from the bush and clintons to last us for generations.
My feeling is that Hillary has already been picked to be the Democratic nominee. All others are the 2008 versions of Howard Dean. They are only there to draw in different people into the Democratic Party.
Hillary "judge me by the content of my image" Clinton was thoroughly denounced at the 2006 West Point protest against President Bush. Those denouncements were all but absent in the 2007 protest against Cheney.
Presently, there are no top tier candidates Party who can be viewed as promoting peace. Thus the peace movement must promote 3rd party candidates for the Presidency at all rallies and in all correspondence. If the number of people who are in the peace movement can be counted on to support 3rd party candidates, perhaps then the Republican and Democratic Party candidates will start to listen. Without a large number of people willing to vote 3rd party, it will be business as usual regardless of who is elected.
Hillary has done a good job. It is tough out on this long primary trail that was made even longer this time around. The candidates try not to say anything that will get them in trouble, but try not to look like they are dodging the questions and repeating things to run out the clock. I have not watched much of the debates, but she seems to be doing well.
"Thus the peace movement must promote 3rd party candidates for the Presidency at all rallies and in all correspondence."
Agreed.
"If the number of people who are in the peace movement can be counted on to support 3rd party candidates, perhaps then the Republican and Democratic Party candidates will start to listen."
Agreed.
"Without a large number of people willing to vote 3rd party, it will be business as usual regardless of who is elected."
A large number of people voting third party against the occupation will make sure Republicans get elected, guaranteeing the occupation continues for another eight years.
Instead, better to vote your conscience: vote against Republicans.
To CADAY5: A 3rd party that matters isn't going to happen. Do you want Romney in the White House for 8 years? If not, get behind a Democratic candidate who has a chance.
wpblaken: Personally, I take MAJOR offense you suggesting that I, or many others of us here, are against a Hillary Presidency because we are not "looking beyond the fact that she is a woman and considering her credentials." Before you make sweeping judgments like that, perhaps YOU should look beyond your obvious sexism and look inter her past policies yourself! The reason I don't like her is because of the following, among many other things:
- She took a buyout from the health care industry lobby when it became clear in the 90's she was not going to win the battle for universal health care.
- She voted for the war even though there was plenty of evidence available to her that warranted a no vote.
- She does not have the respect, nor the courage to apologize for voting for a war that has ravaged a country to the ground, killed nearly 4,000 of our young men and women, and made casualties of nearly a million Iraqis!
- She is neoliberal all the way, and so has no problem supporting the tyranny of the bottom line in America, even at the expense of the livelihoods of people in the Third World, and obviously has no problem with NAFTA and I'll bet she would vote for CAFTA too.
- She is condescending to the other candidates.
- She is more content with trying to make Barack adn all the others look bad than to just put forward a good platform that stands on its own merits, like Kucinich is.
Look, I could go on for days like this. You can take your comments and shove em'. I would LOVE to have a woman President. I personally am a proud feminist, as a matter of fact, but she - in my humble opinion - does not offer a viable alternative to what is already going on in this country. We need real change, and she is not it. So stop with the crap about us just bing too blind to see through our sexual preference.
I would argue you cannot see clearly through the blindness of your loyalty to her, simply BECAUSE she is a woman, dig?
to wpblaken,
But the Democratic candidate is not that different from the Republican candidate. See Chalmers Johnson's comments comparing Bill Clinton with George Bush in his book "Sorrows Of Empire" or Chomsky's comments comparing John Kerry with Bush in his Book "Interventions" on pg 75.
For as long as we have the 2 parties of Them and Not Them, we are powerless as voters. All the Not Them candidate has to do is show that they are different from the Them candidate. They do not have to do anything else.
Each election, the Republican candidate will be the evil alternative to the Democratic candidate. But when the Democratic candidate is evil lite, what is a voter to do? The only way to change the system is change how we vote
James Carroll's questions are excellent ones to put to Sem. Clinton. I hope someone asks them of her in a public forum.
Besides her record and Bill's - a true disappointment - I can't see myself voting for her.
Now, instead of a two-party system (which is a big limitation in itself) we seem to have a two-family system. If she is nomniated it will be a Bush or a Clinton running for president for the last twenty years. THERE IS SOMETHING WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE.
Well, her policies and actions may not be that different from dubya's, but at least she's articulate and easier to listen to than he is...and likely she won't need a transistor hidden under her shirt to assist her in answering questions, either. @@
IMO, that's about the only thing in her favor at this point.
You can call me anything you want, but there is NO WAY I'll vote for either Hillary or Obama. I have voted for the lesser of two evils for about 12 years now, and that's what I've got...the lesser of two evils, or the W(orse.)
I even accused a friend of throwing the election to Bush for voting his conscience (Nader.) From now on, I vote MY conscience, Dennis Kucinich. Heck, I'd even vote Ron Paul before Hillary or Obama, and that's coming from a life-long Democrat.
Even my new Senator, Amy Klobuchar, couldn't wait to vote with the Republicans! A pox on both major parties!
"Protect our National Security"
Ok, WHO is threatening it? The answer is NOBODY.
September 11 was a self-orchestrated event in order to create an adversary. Bin Laden was an all too convenient patsy and as a nation we took the bait. It was the catalyst that propelled the Bush administration to untold levels of power. The implementation of the 'Patriot Act', torture, illegal detention, wiretapping, etc. are all possible because we need to protect our "National Security".
The enemy is a ghost - Bin Laden in Afghanistan, chemical bombs in Iraq, nuclear bombs in Iran, terror training camp, bomb plots - it's just smoke. When you get close to one of the 'enemies' a new one will take it's place to distract you from the old one.
After you are caught in the spider web of "danger", the 'tough' candidates (like Hillary) are thrown in your face by the media to 'protect you' so you will be distracted from the one's that should be elected (like Dennis Kucinich).
Break yourself free and help others to see reality before it's too late.
So Hollywood madam Heidi Fleiss and porn star Jenna Jameson support Hillary's White House run.
I guess they know a fellow whore when they see one.
if your goal is to get dems in the shite house, by all means vote hilary.
but if your goal is to do anything to slow down (much less dismantle) the military-congressional complex, slow down or stop US imperialism, why the hell would you even consider voting for her? carroll is being too polite here. he already knows the answers to his questions, and knows that rodham doesn't have the fallopian tubes to do anything about US militarism.
TheLorax said "Break yourself free and help others to see reality before it's too late.'
It's not easy though. Most people's minds seem to be frozen solid on the topic of Kucinich. What is crystal clear to me seems to be invisible to many.
I saw only part of the debate yesterday, it's such good news that Dennis did well again, but disappointing that there is silence everywhere (except here) about that aspect.
I'd caution anyone who is thinking of voting for H. Clinton because "she's a woman, and women are more compassionate, wise...la-di-da".I lived in Britain through the reign of Maggie Thatcher - enough said. H. Clinton reminds me of M Thatcher each time I see her on TV.
Oregon votes by mail. No machines. No polls to watch. No lines. No voter eligibility lists to alter or voters to turn away. No time lost from work to vote. A fraction of the expense for every election. The USPS would have to be meticulously corrupted to enable fraud. High voter 'turnout'. Envelopes are opened and votes are processed at the county levels by civil service workers. It should be adopted as a national voting system.
Vote, schmote.
Until we take EVERY computerized voting machine in this country and chuck them off a cliff, we can shine on "elections"!
Not to mention the "polls". Ahhh. The polls, the polls. I LOVED it when Stephanopalous began the "debate" Sunday morning (6 a.m. for the Left Coast....snore.....), with the results of their most recent "poll".
I don't trust any of their rotten polls any more than I trust the computerized voting machines! Heck! Just look what happens to some of our posts right here on CD!!
I say there should only be ONE poll and that is on Election Day! Polls should be BANNED!!! It's fantasy brain-washing for all we know! Think about it!! We don't know that they are even DOING a poll! What questions are being asked? By whom? To whom? Who decides?! How do we know the results aren't completely skewed to simply influence the thinking of everyone?? Think about it!!
Here's the only "poll" that should be taken: Election Day! The PEOPLE will decide who they'd like to represent them, NOT ABC, MSNBC, CNN, NBC, CBS or The New York Times!!
But folks, unless we stand up NOW for a change in the way we vote we can just all bend over and kiss our.....
Please go to YouTube and search "Diebold Princeton University" if you doubt there's a problem with the way we will be expected to vote in November of 2008.
We MUST demand that these machines be deep-sixed, that only verifiable paper ballots will be used and that any American who would like to participate in the COUNT will be allowed to do so!
As I've said on this website many times, we must remember what Stalin said, "It's not the voting that is important. It is "WHO" COUNTS THE VOTES."
Shillary promises only more of the same. Kucinch is the best alternative out there. Failing that I'd sooner vote for Ron Paul than any of the mainline democrats. At least he stands against the erosion of our civil liberties.
"One day, in the future, America will finally understand that loving peace is an idea taught by Jesus and does not mean you enjoy getting ass raped by Republicans. One day . . . "
Everq-uotable Gandhi: "The only people who think Jesus wasn't a pacifist are Christians." Probably more Christians today than in the past believe that he was.
Still, Jesus' non-violence was not about resisting the rulers, but about obeying them. It really took Tolstoy to take Jesus' words out of their context, in which they always reinforced the warring power of the state, to make them into a means of disobedience.
Hilary's Jesus is of the Christian soldier variety, not of the Tolstoy-Gandhi-King variety.
OR does she think At ALL? Humanity is slowly (or rapidly, if the wrong buttons are pressed) extirpating itself with fissile nuclear fuel and bombs; presidents, and candidates and their children included. Such Manifest Insanity must Stop NOW!
We want DENIS!
Smart, thinking women/voters of New Mexico
This country needs a third party (At least one more)
Again, Kucinich is the only true progressive candidate. He is the only option!!!
Hillary vs. Godzilla? Hmm... That'd Be Tough
Stay Outta This, Ken Starr!.....
Repubs are in a win-win. All they need to keep a sister in the white house is keep the 2,000,000 pages of the Clinton's political activities secret until AFTER the election, as she's demanded.
July 31 (Bloomberg) --
Attorneys at the law firm Kirkland & Ellis - home to Clinton's relentless persecutor, Kenneth Starr, have donated more money to Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign than to all the top Republican candidates combined. Yeah! , Google it. Huh!?, if I didn't know better I might think there really was a "Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy" ---that'd be the hard right conspiracy led by Clintonista "democrats."
With Obama, Edwards --and god forbid, Kucinich, they'd be forced by an *Authentic Democrat to end a decade and one-half of battering the populace. The other candidates fear Hillary for good reason-- the political arena is strewn w/casualties who tried to expose the Clinton's right-wing extremism. Bill, the "Uniter," actually DID unite us under a Non-participatory (totalitarian) regime and if they have their way--and their power is ubiquitous, it's gonna stay that way.
This makeover didn't happen overnight. In the 90's, as the whole world watched the heavy hand of Market Imperialism made us the World's Public Enemy # 1. I mean were you expecting GWB to resurrect corporate integrity, the public trust or bring back consumer protections? Bill, I know you feel our pain but, where! was your finesse' when the U.S. really needed it. Osama went public w/his plans to attack the U.S in '98 on the heels of the sweeping NAFTA foul play & genocidal punishment for Iraq's imagined "WMD's." Just two of many unrestrained right-wing reforms. Come on democrats--we have a right! to see Hill's record, and not be pressured to ignore past performance and blindly rely on the cunning demagoguery of Hill & Bill Clinton
DENNIS! DENNIS !! He's our man. Yes.
Start a third party. We will join you, Dennis.
From the thinking, smart women voters in NM.