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Americans are Flocking to a Hi-Tech Creation Museum Where Man and Dinosaurs Frolic Happily Together
Dinosaurs of all kinds abound here, from the stegosaurus silhouettes rearing atop the iron gates as you first reach the parking lot to the numerous and impressively convincing animatronic pterosaurs wagging their giant tails and chewing plastic cud inside. At America's newest public museum dedicated to exploring the origins of man and our planet, dinos are big box office, especially with kids.
Yet, there is something askew about the exhibits here and it doesn't take long to see. It's not just the "Thou shalt not touch" signs or the biblically named Noah's Café, offering respite for lunch. How about a stroll down the Trail of Life, first stop, the Garden of Eden with faux cypress trees and gurgling streams? Look, there are Adam and Eve taking a dip, and not far away another dinosaur lurks, and a lion too.
It's not just the presence of the naked pair, with niftily placed lily pads to cover their naughty bits, that seems barmy. Wouldn't they have been gobbled up by now, before they had the chance to do any eating themselves, say of the forbidden fruit? What were the designers of this place thinking?
Here is what. That Adam and Eve really did beget us and that before they sinned, all creatures were vegetarian, meaning dinosaurs were no more likely to eat them than butterflies. They were thinking also that man and dinosaurs lived at the same time. As you proceed on your walk, a few more surprises await. We are told how the world is no more than 6,000 years old and Noah's Flood created all the world's fossils as well as its topography as we know it (including the Grand Canyon, gouged by its ebbing waters). And yes, the Earth and the entire universe were indeed created in six momentous days.
The Museum of Natural History in New York this is not. Welcome, rather, to the Creation Museum, a $27m facility that opened in May -- to a veritable onslaught of enthusiastic visitors -- on a 49-acre site in northeast Kentucky close to Cincinnati. There is no shortage of references to Darwin, whose teachings about evolution most of us are familiar with and more comfortable accepting. But the clear purpose is to demolish not celebrate them. You get the idea of where you are also when you learn that the folk behind it are the founders of a fundamentalist Christian ministry called Answers in Genesis.
Theirs is a seductively simple, if controversial, thesis - that to solve the eternal conundrum of where we come from we need look no further than the first book of the Old Testament. And their contention here is that there is nothing scientists can throw at us -- in paleontology, geology or astronomy -- that will disprove this. Indeed, the point of the museum is to demonstrate that the more we consider the clues to our origins found by scientists -- and there are a dozen thoroughly respectable sounding ones on the museum's own staff -- the more they fit better with the Genesis version of creation than with Darwin's.
"We all have the same facts," explains one video in the museum showing two men working side by side to unearth a dinosaur fossil in the desert. One is a Darwinist, the other a creationist. "We are merely interpreting the facts differently, because we are coming from different starting points." No kidding.
The blurb on one exhibit bears the headline: "God's Word versus Human Reason". It's the latter you shouldn't trust. "The Bible is the word of God," explains Ken Ham, the museum's principle founder. The promotion of creationism has been his life since giving up teaching in Australia and he says he has no fear that one day evolutionary scientists will come up with something to shatter his young Earth beliefs. "I can stand boldly and tell you that that will never happen. They will never find something that will scientifically disprove what is the clear teaching in the Bible." Such conviction must be comforting.
Many of us will find the postulations of the museum and of Ham far too fantastic to take seriously. Nor would we be alone. About 50 protesters gathered outside its gates on opening day in May holding signs aloft excoriating Ham. He says the Ark was lifted by the flood a mere 4,500 years ago or thereabouts and dinosaurs were among the cargo. (Forget all you know about the massive creatures roaming the Earth 65 million years ago.) And if both the Bible and all other legends omit to mention dinosaurs living alongside humans, it is because the word was only invented 130 years ago. But myths are full of dragons. (One exhibit points to the depiction of a dragon on the Welsh flag.) Dragons and dinosaurs are but one.
But wait at least one second before dismissing Ham as a crackpot. For starters, his is about the slickest museum you are ever likely to visit. It has an interactive cinema that tells the creation story according to Genesis, with wind gusts in the auditorium, vibrating seats and squirts of water, as well as a state-of-the-art planetarium. Its animatronics are worthy of a world-class theme park. In fact, the principle designer also helped build exhibits for Universal Studios in Florida.
Something else impressive: the construction of the museum was funded entirely by private donations; it doesn't carry one dollar of debt.
In other words, in a country where the evolution-versus-creation debate is alive and raging, there are plenty of Americans ready to embrace Ham and support his museum. A recent Gallup poll in this country showed nearly 50 per cent of people accepting the notion that, "God created human beings pretty much in their present form at one time within the last 10,000 years or so."
"The creationists have been very successful in persuading conservative Christians to abandon their non-literal interpretation of the Bible," notes Ronald Numbers, a professor at the University of Wisconsin who has written a book on the subject.
Ham says that the target for the museum was 250,000 visitors by the end of its first year. That was conservative. They are now on track to clock 150,000 people by the end of August, just three months after opening. On a recent Tuesday, a long queue had formed at its front entrance one hour before the posted opening time of 10am. Parents with children were there, coach trips and excited church groups. And judging by the variety of license plates in the car park, there were driving here from all across the country.
"It's a very comforting feeling to be here," admits Nancy Spivey, 65, who has driven all the way from North Carolina ' to visit the museum with her husband, Al, 65, a retired insurance executive. The couple consider themselves creationists and are thrilled to find such a "quality" place supporting their views. "A lot of so-called intelligent people think that if you believe in creationism you are not very bright, but you get away from that here," Nancy adds. "Everywhere else, we feel bullied and pushed around," says Al, noting that the evolutionary thesis of Darwin is the accepted wisdom in every other natural history museum in America, not to mention in its public schools and universities. For them, this is a sanctuary.
Visitors are likely first to follow the Trail of Life, taking them through what Ham calls the "Six Cs of history". The overarching theme of the museum, they are creation (Eden), corruption (that damned fruit of knowledge), catastrophe (the flood), confusion, Christ and the final C, consummation (the day of the apocalypse when the Lord starts again and gives us a new heaven and earth, free of suffering and death.)
Along the path there is a 40ft walk-through model of one section of the Ark as well as a dark and grimy-bricked back alley reminding us of the misery of sin. It includes a graffiti wall plastered with torn-up magazine covers tackling such "evils" as gay marriage, extra-marital sex and abortion. It's called the "Culture in Crisis" room and to any small child it would be pretty disturbing.
Ham, 55, who came to America 20 years ago but still has a faint Australian lilt in his voice, says the reaction of Al and Nancy is typical. "A lot of Christians have said that sort of thing. They are tired of being beat up in this nation and angry at losing battles over abortion, over the placing of the Ten Commandments in public places and about prayers in school. They see this as making a very bold public statement to our modern culture and to the world that the Bible is true and we can defend it."
His taste for confronting liberalism may have come from his father, a headmaster and Sunday school teacher who liked to say that anyone who believes the Bible had better believe all of it, the parting of the Red Sea and all. In 1974, a friend gave the younger Ham a book to read. Called The Genesis Flood, it was the first jolt that stayed with him through his years studying biology at university in Brisbane. "The more I talked to my professors, and the more I studied evolution, the more I could not believe in evolution as fact. Nothing that I learnt there convinced me to believe in Darwinian evolution," he recalls.
It wasn't until 1979 that Ham gave up a high-school teaching job in Queensland and founded a creationist publishing company in his home, Creation Science Education Media Services. A gifted salesman and speaker, he began making regular visits to the US to sell his books. Eventually, in 1987, he decided to become full time, attaching himself to the Institute of Creation Research (ICR), which remains active in San Diego. Never mind that he and his wife Marilyn (they have five children) were homesick. "I recognized that if you are going to make an impact on Christendom and on the world, Australia was not the place to do it from. Ultimately, America is the centre of Christian world and of the business world."
Making an impact is what drives Ham. Seven years after joining the ICR, he and a friend, Mark Looy, co-founded a sister creationist organization, Answers in Genesis, and decided it would be better located in the more populous eastern United States. Today, Answers in Genesis has its headquarters right behind the museum, employs a staff of about 300 people, generates a daily radio program hosted by Ham that goes out to more than 800 stations across the US and has a thriving book and magazine publishing arm.
A prophet may be a bit strong, but Ham has a way with words that has made him one of America's better-known speakers on the conservative Christian circuit. "Ken could talk about some hot-button social issues of the day and relate them to creation/evolution questions," Looy, also born in Australia and a self-confessed anglophile, says of his decision to join with him. The museum is their crown jewel and testament to their success in raising funds and support. Almost as impressive is how they have recruited so many credentialed scientists to support the endeavor, including Dr David Menton, who taught medical biology at the prestigious George Washington University in St Louis for 34 years.
"I came here because I think the evolutionary world is the very undoing of the gospel and is incompatible with biblical Christianity," Menton explains in his office in between giving talks to museum visitors about what he sees as the unbridgeable differences between the skulls of apes and humans. "I see young people going through the public schools where they are uncritically taught evolution and I see these kids getting bamboozled by teachers who for the most part don't know what they are talking about."
Ham says he is no extremist; he prefers "Conservative Christian". But he is far enough out there to be unflustered that hours before our conversation, Pope Benedict XVII, no less, had condemned the whole evolution vs creation debate. "This contrast is an absurdity," said the Pope, "because there are many scientific tests in favor of evolution, which appears as a reality that we must see and enriches our understanding of life and being."
If anything Ham is puzzled. "I don't know why he would be saying that," he responds. It is not his position, he says, that anyone accepting evolution cannot be a Christian. Indeed, there are millions of Christians, sometimes called "theistic evolutionists", who surely consider themselves in that category. But ignoring Genesis cannot be taken lightly. In fact, it is downright dangerous.
"If you believe in millions of years of evolution and you didn't get it from the Bible, then you really do have to reinterpret Genesis, which means you are upending biblical authority," he explains. "If you are saying it really didn't happen like Genesis describes, how can you trust anything in the Bible?" Does this mean that a relaxed interpretation of parts of the Bible, Genesis included, might lead to the unraveling of Christian faith altogether? Ham likes the word "unravel". That is the point exactly. And, thereafter, the unraveling of society.
"Step back and look at the big picture. America is not as Christian as it used to be. The Ten Commandments are not where they should be, gay marriage is accepted more and more, abortion is being permitted. The big picture is that there is a loss of biblical authority in this nation and a much greater loss over in England and in Europe generally." That is the rot, as Ham sees it, which has to be reversed.
It is hard not to admire Ham at least for his persistence. He is tilting against a society that he says has been "evolutionized" by its government. Darwin's theories of evolution remain embraced by the overwhelming majority in the scientific establishment and remain standard to the curriculum of all America's public schools. He cannot market the museum to school groups lest he be sued by the American Civil Liberties Union, for meddling with the constitutional separation of church and state. And while he may not like it, others will continue to brand him an extremist.
On opening day, a group called DefCon (Defense of the Constitution) chartered a light plane that trailed a banner overheard quoting the Ninth Commandment, "Thou shalt not lie".
With the museum, however, he is tapping into a genuine argument that has simmered in America for a very long time, arguably since the so-called " Scopes Trial" of 1925, a landmark event on which the Creation Museum also lingers. John Scopes was a biology teacher in Dayton, Tennessee, who found himself charged with illegally teaching the theories of Darwin. Tennessee had that year passed a law forbidding the teaching of evolution in its schools. A standing-room only trial that drew world-wide attention, ended with the teacher's conviction. It was later overturned on a technicality, however.
Ham dearly wants to stop the "evolutionizing" that has been going on apace since the Scopes Trial before it is too late and the museum is his latest weapon. Impressive it most certainly is, but this visitor, at least, wonders whether it will in the end be a destination only for the converted. I found no one at the museum who was not already an adherent of Creationism, except, that is, for myself.
And what do I think, as a true skeptic, asks Glenn Herbert, who has come with his wife, three children and a niece, all the way from Philadelphia? Well, I don't buy any of it, is my reply, though politely put. Herbert, like Ham, is not to be discouraged. Though I have spent six hours in the museum, he urges I go through it all over again, "and maybe the hand of the Lord will reach down to you this time".
© 2007 Independent News and Media Limited
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Show AllNo doubt these Biblical literalists will soon be demanding that we follow the words of Jesus and be servants of the hungry, thirsty, naked, sick and strangers, not to mention the Apostle Paul who told us that the love of money was the root of all evil. I'm sure that will be shortly after they actually read the Magnificat.
These people are dangerous, ignorant and delusional and Americans should consider deporting them like we did the Mormons, Jim Jones and other cults who threatened our freedoms.
There's a sign at the entrance:
'No persons capable of thinking may pass this way'
I don't understand why this article is here. Why give this article the title that was given?
Certainly one can be a conservative Christian, and even a fundamentalist, and still work for peace and justice. So why not try to enlist conservative Christians into working for peace instead of giving them an exclusive or choice between working for peace and justice or practicing their religion?
Yeah, I think I'm with Benedict on this one.
This is nuts.
And I fear half the country of voters (eeeccckk!!!) believe this shit!
And they do vote. And they are spawning more of their own kind.
And they believe George Bush, the Neocons and the AIPAC'ers are going to help them bring about Armageddon and the temple will rise out of the ashes in Israel and JEEEE!SUS will come down in a cloud and live with all of them for the next 2,000 years in "paradise".
Wonder how they'll look after all the depleted uranium gets to them?
And as to all the rest of us who might doubt this fairy tale? We'll be gnashing our teeth and crying and seething for all of eternity with Satan. You know why? Because God LOVES us!!!? Huh?
I was raised as a Christian and since seeing George Bush and Co. (including many Democrats) (the "true believers") create murder, mayhem and misery, my faith has been severely shaken. Then I watched "Zeitgeist the Movie" on Google and that pretty much was the straw that broke the camel's back for me.
Now this. And then there's the documentary from about a year ago that went into all the "Jesus" camps (indoctrination schools) for children.
The inmates truly are running the asylum.
Between the Muslim Madrasas and this.....
True loonyness.
But oh, through all their bible-thumping, why do they always quietly ignore the Sermon on the Mount...
The lengths that these people will go to sabotage science in favor of hocus-pocus is astounding.
This is a perfect example of what the 'fundys mean by, "go out and multiply": take their lies and propaganda, and spread them.
I'm frankly sick and tired of these people portraying sex as evil and "sinful". Get over your hangups with the human body, you repressed mental idiots. Gay sex happens in the population; it's normal. Straight sex and lust happen; they are natural and you are not. Sex is not "dirty"; it's your thinking that is twisted and perverted. The naked human body is not ugly, even in the aroused state. It's your minds that are ugly.
And will somebody answer me this once and for all (make it believable):
If Adam and Eve begat all of us, did their offspring engage in incest and, therefore, incest is good and should be respected?
And never ever forget: The Bible was not written in English. It was translated by men who often had ulterior motives for their translations. Unless you can read the Bible in its original language, don't even try to tell me what its authors really intended to say.
Question: why dont Buddhists care about the creation vs evolution debate?
answer: because it means nothing to their religious beliefs.
Ultimately--it doesnt matter what you believe, the issue is whether you are promoting harm or not. I have known benign christians and vicious atheists and vice versa.
Secular humanists can be just as destructive in their thinking as a christian nut can(i.e. genetic engineering).
More often than not--you find the genetic tamperers to be people who believe in both the Bible and biology--they are the most dangerous .
Gawd is dead and so are the heads of the people who "created" this joke and those who enter.
caday5,
This article is appropriate to CommonDreams because rationality, and an accurate understanding of the world and its history, is essential to the application of peace and justice.
As a species we have proven to be the most intelligent and stupid of all species. And it is here that is the rub. For if there is a God he would be helpless against the collective stupidity of mankind.
I have no doubt in my mind that this country in-particular is the fuse that will blow-up what's left of this once beautiful planet.
And I say good riddance.
How ironic that the only hope our species has for survival is another thousand years of evolution. The creationists don't believe in evolution because they haven't evolved; they accept 4,00 year old near eastern mythology as true while rejecting 4,000 years of accumulated scientific knowledge. We musn't waste time trying to reason with someone with a bronze age mentality.
THE MORE THESE FREAKS SAY, THE DUMBER IT SOUNDS! let them talk themselves silly. they are there own worst enemy every time they try to explain themselves...
And another thing...Kentucky is where this place is located. Kentucky facts:
31st in education ranking
7th in unemployment
19th in state tax burdens (2005)
46th in percapita income (2006)
Sort of proves that the uneducated and poor really like to flock to this stuff.
"Tyranny of the weak."
So, so very happy to be a neo-pagan.
Yeah, it's articles like this that completely convince me it's time to become an expatriot. These faith-based are so inured to Truth and so convinced of their delusion (and sadly they number close to 50 million according to Bill Moyers) that it's frightening to share the same nation. They are authoritarians as John Dean has explained, and believe there is ONLY ONE way, their way, to live. This of course defeats the very basis for a democratic and/or diversified society. Many note how filled with hate these repressed souls are, and none explained their odd identification with unborn fetuses (anti-abortion as pro life, but meanwhile they are pro death penalty and pro war/militarism) better than Granny D. THEY are the ones coiled up who never dared to live lives of true free expression, so they damn anyone who does so! A recipe for social schizophrenia, worship the 10 Commandments, but indulge the Death Penalty... if only this was a Mel Brooks comedy! It's seriously dangerous!
Why do creationist fundamentalist always look more primative an less evolved than everyone else?
Frankly, the mere idea of the "Creation Museum" nauseates me. Its creators, financiers, and credulous visitors must be stark, raving mad. And it is really unbelievable to me that a staff member, with degrees from accredited institutions in science, could swallow this nonsense. The illogic of the whole project is like standing in the moonlight at midnight, proclaiming "there is the sun, see, and we are here in broad daylight; there is no such thing as the moon."
The only difference between Disneyland's Fantasy Land and the to-be-built Harry Potter Theme Park versus the Creation Museum is that the visitors to the Creation Museum actually believe that what they see is true, not fantasy to be experience for a few fun hours. And that's scary, man. Really scary.
The people who believe that the Creation Museum it factual are frightened of reality.
They have become dillusional because of their fears.
yohocoma,
But if a fundamentalist like myself can be a peace activist, then why is the dismantling of a key belief necessary? Again, are we not putting an unnecessary obstacle in the way of enlisting conservative Christians?
My own guess is that it is not the world view of conservative Christians that keeps people from working for peace, it is an attribute that both conservative Christians and rationalists can have--that is self-righteousness. Regardless of our world view, if we are too high and mighty to consider our own faults, we can too easily give ourselves permission to promote injustice.
Have you ever considered that some people might visit this museum to have a good laugh?
I live about 20 miles from this travesty! You have to see the billboards on 1-75, 1-71 & even in Northern Kentucky advertising the museum. It will give you a good laugh! On top of that you should have read some of the positive comments from the first visitors in the Cincinnati Enquirer from late May. Prime examples of the dumbing down of the American people & their lack of scientific literacy!
The numbers are what should concern us all. 50% of Americans want to believe in a god that allows them to follow blindly. There are two contradictory creation stories in Genisis, I've never heard that explained, and I never hear the entire of Leviticus quoted, only those parts that deal with same sex relations. So cherry picking the Hebrew Bible seems to be OK.
But Christ came to offer a New Testament. And his message was actually crystal clear. Love God above all else, and love your neighbor as yourself. Now, if that isn't enough of a challenge I don't know what is.
I frankly, don't believe in the god they believe in either, but I have dedicated my life to trying to do my best on those two commandments.
abbybwood mentions the word Madrassa.
Guess what Madrassa is simply the Arabic word for school whether religious or secular, public or private, primary or secondary, Madrassa literally trandslates into the word school!
I would agree there are some Madrassa's backed by the Saudi Salafi/Wahhabi sect that do teach extremism particularily in the tribal regions of Pakistan (see the book Three Cups of Tea) but don't label all Madrasas (schools) as extremist in the Muslim world. This is just not true and you are helping to spread ignorance and religous bigotry! Be careful how you use foreign words and stop parroting the idiots who run the MSM!
It is depressing to realize that I live in a country with evil idiots in charge and among fellow creatures, most of whom are delusional-- No wonder it is a whacked out world.
What creationists do not understand:
(1) Some very creative Hebrew people invented the
Biblical myth of creation.
(2) Since they knew that God's creation evolved,
they had God develop his creation over time,
in seven days, i.e., seven aeons.
May God grant the creationists the grace of understanding the mythology of the Bible!
They HAVE to believe in creationism. It is the bedrock of their faith. If evolution is true, then we originated as one-celled creatures swimming in prehistoric ponds. We were not a "special" creation with special purpose. We did not eat the apple, therefore.
Eating the apple is the whole deal. If not for that, the whole original sin thing is voided, and it follows that all the blood sacrifice stuff is also voided. To the fundies, that is an impossible thought.
Who controls the past controls the future.
Or well we all know that.
When he quit the Bush administration in disgust, John DiIulio, a University of Pennsylvania professor and the first director of the White House Office of Faith-Based and Community Initiatives, described those in the Bush administration as "Mayberry Machiavellis." I would describe those involved with the Creationist Museum as Mayberry Nihilists. They would rather burn down the house of intellect than abandon a simple-minded view of the universe. It is time to face the fact that a great many people are not just uninformed, or not exposed to the facts, or are not under the influence of demented leaders. Many in that massive group know they are ignorant, but cling to the wonderful simplicity of ignorance, rather than open the door to the real world that is seldom simple with its wonderful and ever-expanding complexity, a lively place where there is always ways to expand the mind. " 'It's a very comforting feeling to be here,' admits Nancy Spivey....'" Her husband says, "Everywhere else, we feel bullied and pushed around." I don't want to be a bully. From now on I am going to respect (the existence of) the ignorant and simple-minded. However, I wish they would agree to cut down on futile communications by wearing hats with blinders on them so we might recognize them instantly and not waste time trying to communicate. I wish the ones who wed corporate government with religion might place dollar signs at the top of their steeples. Let us respect them by keeping our distance and granting then their own dark fantasy world. Beware their poison, however. If one of them mistakes you as a friend, hold up the V sign. Chant, "Scopes Trial! Scopes Trial!" If they appear to feel "bullied," or seem to have hurt feelings, you may add gently, while appearing to look through them, "May their god bless the simpleminded and ignorant."
Evolution is just basic biology. It does matter - misuse of antibiotics (in industrial factory farming, for example) is the main cause of the evolution of antibiotic resistance in human pathogens like tuberculosis bacteria.
500 years ago, the attack was on basic physics - the idea being that the heavens did not follow the same physical rules as the Earth did.
This was the doctrine of 'divine intervention' - the physical rules could be suspended by divine entities, and those divine entities communicated directly to the religious authorities, while the devil was whispering in the ears of everyone else...
One of the main reasons such notions still persist is the woeful state of science education in this country, from grade school through high school through college. The basic problem seems to be the desire by religious authoriarians to recapture their 15th century positions of wealth and power, if you ask me.
These people also claim that global warming is a myth... for a rather bizzare look at creationist education, see:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07WX3F7UQWA
"Science doesn't prove anything"
The great tragedy of the Christian Religion is the unfortunate coupling of the Old Testament and the New Testament.
The teachings of Jesus in the New Testament are all about peace, brotherly love, forgiveness, helping the poor and downtrodden etc. The Old Testament, on the other hand, is a collection ancient tales, myths, superstitions, and features a vengeful and wrathful God who devotes his time to capriciously punishing those who offend him.
The right-wing "Christians", so active in public discourse these days, seem to be firmly rooted in superstitious, vengeful, intolerant Old Testament Ways and pretty much oblivious to the peaceful, inclusive philosophy of Jesus.
Sad,sad that we can educate a nation and give its people lots of technology to make their lives easier and better, but we cannot fully educate minds that fear the unknown. These minds must create a God in THEIR image...therefore he is jealous, vindictive, and must be obeyed blindly and without question...yet he supposedly gave us all a mind and a son whose message was, that the first commandment was love the Lord God with all your heart, mind, and soul, and the second commandement is like unto it... love your neighbor as yourself. Therefore, being gay, having (or believing that a woman has the right to) an abortion, making everyone say prayers in school, breaking down our separation of church and state, and believing that the Universe is only 4,000 years old seems right to such minds, because they think their thoughts are God's thoughts; their thoughts are full of fear of the unknown and the lack of curiousity to search for some facts, or to find out about history that predates the writing of the Bible ( or the Koran or the Vedas) and certainly predates the rise of the Jewish tribes. Perhaps this so-called museum will go quietly into the sunset after all the fundamentalist creationists spend their money and go see it. A note to Prophet...we did not DEPORT the Mormons...just chased them further west (because of polygamy), and they are still alive and kicking quite well, and have dominated the West of the United States. To caday5, how on earth will a conservative fundamentalist Christian work for peace and justice when they want to deny freedom to those who do not think as they do? It is the repressive fundamentalist who wants to make laws that will govern all aspects of EVERYONE'S life...believers and non-believers alike! This is not justice and will definitely NOT produce peace. This is a government run on theocracy, just like the Taliban. God and state should be seperate...each person believes differently, even though they may give lip-service to a particular church. It is because we have laws that seperate church and state that this museum could be built at ALL! Do you think Mr. Harn could have built this in the Middle East?
george and his christian fundamentalist minions may end up bringing the world to ruin with their visions of Armageddon and all that "rapture" shit. Now there's a religion to get behind; yeah bring on more unbearable suffering, agony and death.
The Iraq war is going perfectly according to them. "Let's see how much more brutality, suffering, cruelty, and death we can create. It's so good to know we are doing God's work!"
GO F%#k Yourselves, Idiots.
My great grandfather, a minister in a consevative Protestant denomination at the turn of the last century told my grandmother that he would not preach on the Garden of Eden because he believed it to be an allegory but did not want to hurt people's faith. More than a hundred years later, I think we are way past the time for worrying about hurting fools' faiths. Note references to the publications. Ham and his associates have a rip roaring business with millions of suckers.
Hello,
Someone brought this to my attention the other day -- the beauty of a "democracy" is that these ejits have the right to do what they're doing! YOU have the right to say what you think -- and so do they. (In my opinion, as deluded as they are!) SO! Please, let's ignore this ill-conceived (pardon the pun) museum and rejoice in the fact that "they" have the right to erect this most ridiculous structure to their most ridiculous beliefs in this...most ridiculous of a democracy we have at this moment. Our concerted effort is really to retain free speech -- anyone's speech -- and counter the idiot president and his minions in destroying our Constitution and Bill of Rights. Right? Don't ask the creationists for thanks, by the way, but it their right too. Without their rights, we don't have our right to say that creationism is the most ludicrous of concepts ever dreamed up out of fear-induced thinking.
By the way, Professor Gary Eberle's new book, Dangerous Words: Talking about God in an Age of Fundamentalism, is incredible.
To some, it might be more comforting to think of themselves as a creation of the all mighty than as a mammal evolved from other life forms.
Most of these true believers seem to believe in these things that do not make logical nor rational sense. That is the nature of faith, to believe in things that you can not prove nor even show proof of. It takes denial to a whole new level of human existence.
Tractorguy,
And you sound like you have been hanging around with The Gathering Of Eagles. Sorry if stereotypes about fundies do not meet your expectations. The problem you have to account for is why are there some Fundamentalists who protest the war and work for the rights of others.
Unfortunately for my side, there are far too many fundies who are intollerant--something I battle within my own church. But those fundies who meet the stereotypes, for the most part, are from this country. Again I will refer you to my fellow fundamentalist from England who states that the majority of conservative Christians from his country are politically liberal.
I would dearly love to know how many people who don't believe in evolution get a flu shot every year. Because if there's no such thing as evolution, then the first flu shot you ever receive should protect you for life.
Except that the influenza virus EVOLVES, and so does every other living thing. I wouldn't really mind people choosing to be this actively stupid, except that they also feel compelled to impose their idiocy on everyone else, such that you would be hard pressed to find a high school biology textbook in this country that gives a straightforward explanation of evolution. And any practicing biologist will tell you that the principle of evolution is the foundation of everything they do. And then people have the gall to wonder why our students are falling behind Serbia and Sri Lanka in measures of scientific understanding.
I don't think that fundamentalists get how simple and non-threatening that principle is. Darwin wasn't trying to overthrow Christianity (he was a Christian himself, and sat on his conclusions for almost twenty years because he knew they would upset people). He simply observed that organisms adapt to changing environments and pass those adapatations along to their offspring; successful adaptations become more numerous in a population over time.
That's it. That's the whole theory (and a theory, btw, is not equivalent to a "suggestion" or a "hypothesis" or even an "opinion," in the scientific world it means the best damn well-tested and useful explanation we've got).
If evolution is outlawed, only outlaws will evolve.
Looking back on my life;I have seen many times how God saved me and delivered me out of situations and near death experiences. Even though I did not acknowledge Him as God and even told Christians that I didn't want to hear about there Jesus. Well it sounds like to me, after having read most of your comment, that some of you are closed minded. I just wonder if you have given the Bible an honest read. Well in the book of Joshua chapter 2,verse 11. a harlot named Rahab said the Lord your God,he is God... She wasn't a Hebrew but a citizen or Jericho. She also said that all of the nations of the world were afraid of the Hebrews. I don't believe I came from a monkey because monkeys are better to each other than humans are...
Confirmation Bias - In psychology and cognitive science, confirmation bias is a tendency to search for or interpret new information in a way that confirms one's preconceptions and avoid information and interpretations which contradict prior beliefs. It is a type of cognitive bias and represents an error of inductive inference, or as a form of selection bias toward confirmation of the hypothesis under study or disconfirmation of an alternative hypothesis.
Confirmation bias is an area of interest in the teaching of critical thinking as the skill is misused if rigorous critical scrutiny is applied only to evidence challenging a preconceived idea but not to evidence supporting the same preconception.
The Bible is true, but the problem is people don't know what truth is. Truth is what guides one's life, not veracity and fact. This definition of truth came about in the middle ages, long after the Bible was written. The original author of Genesis 1 knew that he or she was not creating an accurate rendition of how the world was made.
The author wanted to express the truth of the Jewish God over and above the Babylonian God. Like Marduk, Yahweh was over the seas and made creation out of her divided body. Unlike Marduk, God was more powerful since the action was done with a word and did not require God to fight. Like Marduk the God of Genesis 1 made humans like the Gods. Unlike Marduk, God separated the nations and kept them from fighting.
Genesis 1 is a powerful critique of imperialism and violence, when read with the eyes of the author 2500 years ago. It is a controversial conundrum when read with the eyes of Medieval interpretations of what truth is.
George Clark, you need to provide the proof that everything you said happened is from the being called God. I don't have to prove anything, because I'm not making claims of a supernatural being intervening in my life with extraordinary powers: you are.
It's completely specious for you accuse others of being close minded because they don't buy into your unprovable jargon.
I believe in astrology and that when the planets are aligned in a certain way, I will win the Powerball lottery. Prove me wrong. Or are you close-minded about this?
I envy this guy Ham. Must be sweet to fleece sucker evangelicals out of their money with a corny snake oil show like this. Wish I had thought of it.
Perhaps I'll build a "God's Wrath" theme park filled with exciting rides like "Noah's Wet 'n Wild Ark" or the "Sodom & Gomorrah Fire Ride". Oh the millions, the millions I could make from this.
I have enjoyed reading all the comments, but I'd like to reply to four in particular:
To: ike..I agree. They DO want to regain their lost wealth and power by controlling all of us.
To: phatkhat: Having to believe their way is necessary to them because to think differently would mean that all their beliefs are false and shattered...how true!
To Siouxrose: Where are you going if you leave the U.S.? South and Central America are being over-run by fundamentalists and they are converting the people from Catholicism...we have HUGE churches of them in my town. They are all over the world, in Christian and in other religions. Stay here and help us get back our country where ALL people can have freedom. Help us let them know they can believe whatever they want as long as they DO NOT infringe upon our rights and beliefs.
These Christian creationists should give us a taste of what they and the Wahhabists, Salafists, and Taliban have in common ... extremism! That and keeping their faithful followers ignorant, all the better to control them.
By the way, I did not know that God created humans and animals as vegetarians. So, eating the fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and evil turned everyone into a carnivore. Interesting. It must have turned God into a carnivore too because I understand he preferred Abel's offering of slaughtered animals rather than Cain's offering of grains.
Forget the war on poverty, the war on drugs, and the war on terror. It's obvious that No Child Left Behind should be the nation's top priority! And it wouldn't hurt to have a remedial education program for terminally stupid adults.
A careful reading of the gospels reveals that Jesus was a communist (Luke 3:11, sermon on the mount) and a pacifist (Matthew 5:9). When the capitalist warmongers co-opted the Christian fundementalists, it was a marriage made in hell. Praise the lord and pass the amunition!
Please,do NOT deport Ken Ham!
Justin,Australia.
Consistent with the museum's advocacy for Biblical literalism, they must certainly be informing all visitors that every true believer should be missing at least one or more body parts.
Does this sound off the wall? Please consider the following:
1) All have sinned -- Romans 3:23 "For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God." -- English Standard Version
2) Every true believer should be missing eyes, ears, tongues, brains (likely in many cases) and/or other assorted appendages. Guidance for sinners (and that includes everyone) is provided in Matthew 5:27-30: "You have heard that it was said, 'You shall not commit adultery.' 28 But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29 If your right eye causes you to sin, tear it out and throw it away. For it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body be thrown into hell. 30 And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. For it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body go into hell." -- English Standard Version
Since "all have sinned" and the Bible is to be taken literally, then body parts which cause a person to sin are to be removed. This directive does not appear to be optional.
And if this is not to be the case, then who decides which parts of the Bible are literal and which are merely symbolic -- a fallible human being? If you were to pursue such a course, how much faith would you want to place in a televangilist's interpretation?
Does anyone know of any health insurance plans that cover this type of surgery? Would it qualify as life-saving or elective? Remembering that such options were very limited at the time this was written, does it still count if you choose to have anesthesia? And if you are poor, can you merely go to the emergency room (as George W. Bush has suggested) whenever you need medical treatment?
Anyone from the Christian Reich care to clarify?