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Military Commanders Tell Brown to Withdraw from Iraq Without Delay
Senior military commanders have told the Government that Britain can achieve "nothing more" in south-east Iraq, and that the 5,500 British troops still deployed there should move towards withdrawal without further delay.
Last month Gordon Brown said after meeting George Bush at Camp David that the decision to hand over security in Basra province - the last of the four held by the British - "will be made on the military advice of our commanders on the ground". He added: "Whatever happens, we will make a full statement to Parliament when it returns [in October]."
Two generals told The Independent on Sunday last week that the military advice given to the Prime Minister was, "We've done what we can in the south [of Iraq]". Commanders want to hand over Basra Palace - where 500 British troops are subjected to up to 60 rocket and mortar strikes a day, and resupply convoys have been described as "nightly suicide missions" - by the end of August. The withdrawal of 500 soldiers has already been announced by the Government. The Army is drawing up plans to "reposture" the 5,000 that will be left at Basra airport, and aims to bring the bulk of them home in the next few months.
Before the invasion in 2003, officers were told that the Army's war aims were to bring stability and democracy to Iraq and to the Middle East as a whole. Those ambitions have been drastically revised, the IoS understands. The priorities now are an orderly withdrawal, with the reputation and capability of the Army "reasonably intact", and for Britain to remain a "credible ally". The final phrase appears to refer to tensions with the US, which has more troops in Iraq than at any other time, including the invasion, as it seeks to impose order in Baghdad and neighbouring provinces.
American criticism of Britain's desire to pull back in southern Iraq has recently become public, with a US intelligence official telling The Washington Post this month that "the British have basically been defeated in the south". A senior British commander countered, "That's to miss the point. It was never that kind of battle, in which we set out to defeat an enemy." Other officers said the British force was never configured to "clear and hold" Basra in the way the Americans are seeking to do in Baghdad.
Immediate American discontent is said to center on the CIA's reluctance to leave Basra Palace, an important base for watching Iran, which may explain why Britain has held on to the complex until now. But last week it was reported that US intelligence operatives were in the process of pulling out. Further ahead, the US is concerned over the security of its vital supply line from Kuwait, with some American commanders saying that if the British withdraw, American troops will have to be sent south to replace them. As the hub of Iraq's oil industry, Basra is also a tempting prize for the Shia militias battling each other for control.
There are fears that the bloody power struggle in Basra will escalate sharply if and when British troops depart, but commanders point out that up to 90 per cent of the violence is directed against their forces. They are understood to believe it was never the role of occupation troops to intervene in a "turf war" among factions from the same community, all of which have links to the government coalition in Baghdad.
Mr Brown will have to take these wider concerns into account, in reaching a decision that has political as well as military implications. At Camp David he stressed that "we have duties to discharge and responsibilities to keep" in support of the Iraqi government and "the explicit will" of the international community. The 15 September report on the progress of the security "surge" by the US commander in Iraq, General David Petraeus, and the American ambassador to Baghdad, Ryan Crocker, will be crucial to British as well as US military plans.
General Petraeus is expected to report mixed results, and to plead for more time for the surge to work. But the White House, under pressure from Republicans facing disaster in the 2008 elections, is likely to announce at least some troop reductions. British commanders, and some US commentators, believe that will enable the Prime Minister to spell out plans for a British withdrawal when MPs return in October, although the process may last well into next year.
© 2007 Independent News and Media Limited

26 Comments so far
Show AllUhhhh, how about just start leaving tomorrow, why wait,__ for what?
"They are understood to believe it was never the role of occupation troops to intervene in a "turf war" among factions from the same community, all of which have links to the government coalition in Baghdad."
Doesn't sound too good. It will be interesting to see how Gordon Brown responds to this.
This is the second largest contingent of the troops in Iraq. If these withdrawals of forces continue, and I suspect that they will, there may be prompt consideration for an early military draft, especially if another war by choice with Iran is planned. In the event of a draft, it is very likely that the streets will fill with demonstrators as in the 60s, only this time there will be throngs of parents in them. The Country has had enough of this public-be-damned attitude and gross incompetence among those at the very top levels of this government.
UNITED STATES DOLLARS USD - THE CULPRIT -
LIES AND GLUTTONY
When western nations through the individuals who compose them, follow lies about weapons of mass destruction basically to secure oil energy supplies for their own gluttony and end up killing many hundreds of thousands of Iraqui people, then we're by all definitions,'war-criminals'. How did this happen?
DIVESTMENT
In 2004 Iraq was in the process of transferring its oil revenue funds to EURO currency. This is a key reason the US invaded. Today Iran and Venezuela are in the process of divesting to the EURO from USD. You may be aware that the USA has both nations literally in its gun-sites. We need to join the European nations, Iran and Venezuela in this process.
RECESSION
If just twenty more nations divest of USD and join the EURO, we'll have reached a 'tipping point' and the US, Britain, Australia (and Canada because its Conservative government will not disengage voluntarily from war-profiteering) will go into needed economic recessions. These periods of recession will allow nations of the world to economically restructure based in Sustainable Development and principles of 'indigenous' (derived from the Latin meaning 'Self-generating') economy.
REPARATIONS
Western nations are legally responsible for many trillions of dollars of reparations to Iraq, which as the world's largest indebted nations, we don't have. All nations of the world whose currencies are based in United States Dollars USD are actually directly paying for the US war. Canada for example while protesting the war, still bases its currency in USD as well as having our corporations benefit from arms manufacture and sales.
UNITED NATIONS DOLLARS
Immediately every nation in the world should begin the process of transfering currencies into a United Nations based currency modelled after the Euro. This process will involve a short term period where all nations immediately transfer currency holdings into the Euro with a two year goal of structuring a World Currency.
ECONOMIC DEMOCRACY
The UN in the form of a UN Monetary Fund needs to build a foundation of Economic Democracy where Corporations and other economic collectives are represented. Those of us on the ground need to invest in our workplaces and gain representation on Boards of Directors along with other stakeholders (Founders, Employees, Suppliers and Consumers)in a participatory model.
'INDIGENOUS'
The democracies of indigenous peoples of the world were founded in the progressive (apprentice to master) ownership of Guilds. The String Shell value systems were actually an integration of Capital, Currency, Condolence (social security), Communications, Collegial Learning (Guilds), Costume and other functions we now think of as separate. It is in our employment that our greatest knowledge and power is found. When we join with our fellow workers in intentionally planning our livelihood together, we develop the foundation for a decentralised economy where everyone can be meaningfully represented. Then we can implement relationships founded in peace and mutual-aid.
The British political and military leadership are smart. They see the handwriting on the wall. The American political and military leadership are stupid. They are blind to the truth. If the American government reinstates the military draft, the ---- will hit the fan! You Watch! Gauranteed!
Janus55 - there is already talk of a draft in the US now. In fact I would applaud such a move, so long as there were no deferrments for anyone for any reason. Then finally everyone would be participating and the war will probably come to quick end.
Maybe Douglass Jack - if we simply place the dollar back on the gold standard we could fix the problem. But I guess that will only crash the economy once Americans figure out the dollar is not even worth 1 cent in gold now. Let's put some more bling bling on credit huh?
We (the USA) are determined to be the absolute last to figure out what's goin on.
"General Petraeus is expected to report mixed results, and to plead for more time for the surge to work."
Time has run out. The only "surge" is in maiming, dying and misery.
Seems like there is a message in the fact that the Iraqi Government and the U.S. Congress and the Administration are all "out of town" ;if all these people are not interested in Iraq why should the suffering and dying on the part of the Coalition Forces and the people of Iraq continue?
shikantaza,
The gold standard has absolutely no relation in reference to human recognition of labour and its fruits. First Nations of the Americas were right to base their string-shell VALUE systems in Production Society accounting for the invested labour of members, which essentially was a system of Time-based accounting. Peace is first about recognition for issues of livelihood between us.
First Nations rightfully used gold for useful functions such as plates and bowls. Today gold can serve sustainable design for a whole range of components but because of its environmental costs such as cyanide poisoning of rivers, we should use it sparingly.
You're right that unlimited war is related to unlimited "bling-bling" credit for those who print the world's currency, right now, the USD. Over 50% of the US economy is based on military and armlaments. As long as there is a war going on somewhere in the world, Americans have a captive audience and credit to spend.
The "liberal" media has already begun calling the Brits "losers" and "cowards" etc. Typical loyalbushiepussy behavior: turn on your "friends" the second they no longer serve your for-profit illegal occupation needs.
The Galaxy best keep an eye on that Beckham guy - might just decide to cut and run in the middle of a game...
Douglas Jack,
I found your contribution an interesting read.
I could almost agree with your ideas on a UN world currency, but I have reservations about the independence of the UN from the US. Although there has been occasional moments where the US has not gotten its way in the UN security council, (e.g. the authorisation of the invasion of Iraq), the US manages to get its way 99% of the time (e.g. authorisation for the ongoing occupation and the retrospective authorisation of the invasion).
If there is to be an international currency, then the US influence should limited only to the extent of its percentage of world population.
Does world currency have a great deal to do with the Brits wanting to pull their troops out of Iraq? Sorry, I must have missed something. I do believe they wish to leave, because their presence is a waste of lives and they realize their presence in Iraq is jsut as f###in stupid as ours is.
Well, perhaps not stupid for the oil boys, and most understand why we went there, one reason was because of the monetary method of buying and selling oil. But to leave? Just leave, ASAP, the Brits and our military. Will it happen?___ NO!___ THANK YOU, Pelosi and Conyers.
All members of Congress should be paid by the week, just like real people are. Also members of government administration. Time off from their paid job, their pay will be docked, day for day. Pensions should be capped at 2,000 dollars for each year of faithful government service. Military pensions also.
Tally-Ho Yanks and good luck. Sorry we couldn't be of more help. Thought we'd give this Empire thing a go at it again but, well, maybe we can meet again sometime for a spot of tea, eh? It just ain't the same anymore more, all that fussin and killin. Had enough of that, I'd say!
Ya know everybody as i tune in with this profound moment here and there it truly feels like a big -Real Big- sinister surprise is about to pop up & and; out.
REMEMBER these puny ####'n reptiles want -have designed- martial law imposed
in the good ole' USofA. And they will stop at nothing. The particular troops in Basra
are needed back at motherland (UK) for a darker mission. Perhaps
I am a progressive but I think that the Brits should stay in Basra just for appearance's sake.
The third comment by "Janus" says "The public has had enough of this public be damned attitude". In the UK too we feel like this. Governments across the "western" world have been pursuing policies with regard to the middle east which suit a neo-con agenda and have absolutely no resonance among the electorate. Neo-cons. Your time is coming to an end. Palestinians, your time is approaching. I believe that basically, as well as oil, the Palestinian issue and undue Israeli influence in the west lie at the core of our troubles.
it's already known as fact that the report mentioned below will be written by the white house, and not, as is STILL REPORTED, by betrayus and crocker.
please cease reporting it as having anything to do with either of those men.
"The 15 September report on the progress of the security "surge" by the US commander in Iraq, General David Petraeus, and the American ambassador to Baghdad, Ryan Crocker, will be crucial to British as well as US military plans."
I don't know if anyone has reported this on the blog, but The Sunday Times of London (a more conservativesource of news owned by Murdoch) reports the same story, that the UK troops are getting hammered in Basra and their military leaders are saying, "It's not going well." If that's the conservative spin, wow. I wonder how all this will play out with the chickenhawk pundits. Thoughts . . . ?
Our military leaders are saying that we, the British people, should give more support to our troops.
We don't want to see any of our men killed, or worse, maimed, in this 'peacekeeping' intervention but we, and I can speak only for myself here, are well p****d off with this whole wicked, destructive, illegal, cruel and ultimately pointless war. How can we support it?
We can't control a country that hates us for wrecking it. We can't be loved by a population that sees us as the initiatiors of their utter devastation (and rightly), and we can't hold our heads up in international forums where every delagate knows the truth.
We have participated in the utter destruction of a magnificent civilisation, to which we are all successors; we are, in part (with the vile US - sorry decent Americans), responsible for the total wrecking of a sophisticated modern infrastructure and the displacement of hundreds of thousands of innocnet people - and history will judge us for all this. Saddam Hussein was a brute, but he was our brute - as long as he served - and then we decided on another route of control. We have been traduced by events, and our young, innocent and naive men are dying to serve us. But not us; rather our governemnt, which does not represent the decent of us, or even the merely businesslike of us. Rather we have a government and rich establishment virtually sui generis, which exploits the British people to serve its own ends. Believe me, we Brits are well pissed off. We know this war will end in defeat and national humiliation, and we want our boys back, now.
Some are talking about reinstatement of the draft. I would bet the house that if the draft is reinstated that there will be plenty of provisions for deferments. Those who make the policies for the administration obviously do not have the long term interests of the majority of Americans or of the people of the world in mind, but they do understand how to minimize effective resistance to their shenanigans. Those unlikely to be able to avoid the draft would be from the populations least likely to cause significant disruptions.
reinstate the draft = end the war
though i disagree on having a draft as unconstitutional because the government shouldn't be making those decisions for free people, i have to support it's reinstatement as the only way to get people away from the television and the mall and put them square in the fight for our democracy.
kivals, you may be right. I've known all along that a draft would not include the rich and powerful - it never does. But insulating the middle class as well would neutralize resistance. The poor are so demoralized they would submit, and so numerous they would amply fill the ranks. Sad sad state of affairs.
The British pulling out is great news. I read a funny Doonesbury cartoon Sunday where the White House is in a bubble and Bush's voice is asking "but why break the bubble?" and another voice is saying "because we're running out of oxygen". And I feel that something is going on. Clearly Rove isn't going home to his family. He never did before. This administration controls the population using fear, so I'm concerned about what's next. All those executive orders giving Bush dictatorship powers weren't written for nothing.
How do you know when Bush is Lying?
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Seriously-- What ever happened to the coalition of the willing rah!! rah!!
This congress won't impeach a president who has lied since he took a pledge swearing to defend the constitution from all enemies both foreign and domestic. Hey what do you know another lie. Everywhere you look there are lies just leaping around doing perouetes on our constition. I wonder why it has taken Britian so long to finally come to their senses. I have said all along that this war is not about "winning" or "attrition" it is about "sustaining" our forces there until all the "security infrastructure" is setup to support globalist oil trade(ie. military bases,oil field/pipeline security,installing a loyal puppet government,and anything relating to the oil infrastructure). All else is secondary and not really a concern to the administration. Hence the total disorder within the towns and cities outside the "Greenzone".
USA......... WE OWN THE PLANET!