Look, as I've said over and over again. The war in Iraq, despite all it's human costs, has been a tremendous victory for the Bush family, for the military industrial complex, for big energy, and for the corperations.

When are you going to learn that all the human deaths, casualties American and Iraqi, refugees etc etc... THEY DON'T CARE! THEY DON'T CARE! THEY DON'T CARE! and Taxpayer dollars? Just an investment on their part for larger returns. Will the war lead to more attacks or even the downfall of America? Doesn't matter, their operations can always be shipped overseas to other countries. The welfare of America and Americans they also don't care about.

Bottom line... They don't care about these costs, because in reality it doesn't cost them anything. They dont care about the horrors of the war itself, do you actually think they really care how you or I feel about the war?

Bush is not an idiot. He says stupid things on occasion. But he's smart because he feeds the corperate oligarchy, who thus uses it's corperate media to keep the rest of us ignorant, decieved, misinformed, and thus manipulated and controlled. The operation is so good that 1/3rd of the country actually approves of him.

But what us peasants think doesn't matter. The problem is you think we live in a democracy. Democracy is a punchline, an illusion created to dupe the masses into thinking they have control, they have influence, when in reality, they have none.

The administration's pugnacity towards Iran stems from the availability of the U.S. military, which has been lustily built up for the last sixty years and more. It scratches the itch of so many knuckleheads who conceive of life as a big military adventure. With this attractive nuisance on hand, the politics will tend toward belligerance. We humans drive this sort of dynamic with our rampant fertility. Our numbers are always increasing, while the land area of the earth is, if anything, shrinking due to rising oceans. So there will be a real threat to the status quo going forward. There is boon to be had from positioning oneself so as to control events, and exploit the desperate mobs. The necessary thing is to condition a large force of battle-hardened soldiers, and what better way to accomplish this than to go on crusades?

As for Iran, they're Iraq's neighbors. If Iran was occupying Canada, would the U.S. hesitate to give aid to the Canadians? Come on. We need to get the hell out of there. Strike 9-11.

REBEL FARMER - KEM PATRICK.

ok get your points, but in the meantime lots of innocent people are going to DIE............................

MASTERSHAKE IS RIGHT..........THEY DON'T CARE, THEY DON'T CARE, THEY DON'T CARE...................

MISANTHROPE.... don't know what was on your youtube clip, but it was blocked by our server here.............

The hypocrisy of this insane administration is so overwhelmingly evident that you would expect that we would be laughed off the planet when we have the chutzpah to accuse Iran of "interfering in Iraq." What the hell have we been doing in Iraq for the past 15 years?

Hunreds and hundreds of thousands dead and millions more to die in the next 4.5 billion year half-life of so called "depleted" uranium, which we have scattered across Iraq and Afghanistan by the thousands of tons.

See for yourself:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEvK7noNf9s

sjc "nut jobs in Iran" What is your source for this, sjc? Have you checked out the actions of yousr own government lately? Its quite obvious who the nut jobs are. Any reports on Iran and their supposed aggresive actions are highly questionable and emminate solely from your own government and media regurgitated reporting. Try reading the foreign press once in a while, you might actually learn something.

These nut jobs in Iran can not be reasoned with. But when you give the world reason to doubt your motives, they start to wonder if Iran makes some sense. They start to see the U.S. as a bully and unreasonable. You have given up the high ground and a lot of the hope that the rest of the world will see things clearly.

In the 2004 Presidential Debates, Kerry used the term "global test". He meant that a foreign policy decision should have to pass the test of reason to other countries of the world.

Since G.W. Bush probably never liked tests his whole life anyway, the term got a response from him. He did not seem to understand the term. This played right into the redneck fear of losing our independence and that "in your face" kind of attitude.

I knew what Kerry meant and he was right. But as long as we have stupid rednecks and knee jerk right wingers, we will not make progress in restoring reason to the debate. The right wing is absolutely sure they are right, even when they are totally dead wrong.

One good question is: "If Bush et.al. can screw up a "cake walk" like Iraq so badly, what kind of global catastrof**k are they going to get us into with Iran?
We'all need to put more effort into this than we did previous to the Iraq invasion. Just in a smarter way though.

In THEIR Middle East, US is the foreign terrorist organization. That land (and its resources) is THEIR land!
Let US leave, NOW!

U.S. "we kill for profit" What ever you have and we want it, well my fine feathered friend w'll just drive by and take it.No matter what the body count on both sides.

sjc_1 - How is it that the Iranian are the nut jobs and cannot be reasoned with? Can you name me an instance where Iran has attacked another country? I could argue quite succinctly that it is the US who are the nutjobs. Why should the Iranians stop their nuclear program - they have done nothing that they are not allowed to do under the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. They US on the other hand has not reduced the number of nuclear weapons that they posesss which is a requirement of the treaty. The double standards continue.

sjc_1
"These nut jobs in Iran [or US administration] can not be reasoned with."

Be bloody certain about which nut jobs you are talking about.....

This could be the start of Armageddon....

WW1, WW2, Vietnam War,Gulf War 2 inter alia; were all initiated with similarly innocuous yet extremely dangerous reasons......

I am Heartened to read these comments.Obviosly Common Dreamers are not as naive as most Americans.Iran signed the nuclear non-proliferation treaty,unlike India and Pakistan.Yet we supply both these countries with nuclear technology.Iran has allowed inspections by the I.A.E.A. and other groups.The population is extremly young demographically,with a highly educated population.Sure the President of Iran likes to showboat and buddy up with leftist heroes like Hugo Chaves,and the revolutionary guard has some baggage with the U.S.But we should cut the Iranians some slack!After all who sells the most weapons abroad ?,the U.S.Who is the only country to have used Nuclear weapons?The U.S..We use tcatical nuclear weapons like depleted uranium anti tank munitions,and refuses to sign the Test Ban Treaty,ratify the anti land mine ban or even hold Pakistan responsible for Mr.Kahns Korea deal.We are a bunch of hypocrits. Peace, Salam ,Shalom.

The nut jobs that rule the USA are much more dangerous than anyone else. They are in charge of the world's most powerful military and have countless numbers of nuclear bombs, and they want to prove to the world they aren't afraid to use them......to keep everyone submissive.

I agree with most of the above, the USA is the most dangerous of the nutjobs in the world today. Why on earth would anyone trust what the yank gov't says on any issue at all?
I do not believe that Rice is opposed to yet another war breaking out, but it is likely that she doesn't want the usa seen as the agressor. Although, could any but the most rabid of reich-winger yank see the usa as anything else?
Bush hasn't seen, or heard of, a treaty that he didn't want to break.

Mind you, maybe bushie has learned something from his history classes at yale or harvard. With the outbreak of a major war in '39 it was amazing how fast the economy of the world recovered from the Great Depression. With the realestate bubble bursting in the states perhaps bushie wants to pre-empt the inevitable depression by starting WWIII. Too bad he forgot that to pay for such a war the rich needed to be taxed...

The sad fact is, I don't believe our government has any more credibility than Iran's government, and maybe even less.

I believe that the Bush administration, and previous administrations, has strived diligently to blur the distinction between our national intrests and private corporate interests, and that's really what all the ongoing conflicts in the mid-east are about. We know from first hand experience how Enron, United Air, General Motors, and many other multi-national corporations have cheated and robbed the American people, and I believe that what we're seeing from Iran, and from other mid-east countries as well, is resistance to Global corporate hegemony that we should all be resisting. What's happened as far as I'm concerned is that the American military has been harnessed by corporate power to advance corporate interests at the expense of the American people and the people of the mid-eastern countries. The real enemy of freedom and democracy is the political establishment in Washington, and not in Tehran.

India has the bomb and much more from Idiot in Chief and Pakistan also has it.

But we forgot Israel which with our help has produced 200 bombs but won't admit it. In fact one citizen spent 18 years in jail for telling the world.

But of course we just offered them $10 billion and then we gave the 9/11 boys Saudi Arabia $20 billion so Israel cried and we game them $30 billion.

From a country and does not have a penny, just debt, debt, debt.

I am with srelf, who said:

"One good question is: "If Bush et.al. can screw up a "cake walk" like Iraq so badly, what kind of global catastrof**k are they going to get us into with Iran? We'all need to put more effort into this than we did previous to the Iraq invasion. Just in a smarter way though."

Here's the problem: how do we, as you say, put more into it when we are already over-committed elsewhere. We have troops in action in Afghanistan, Iraq, and the one that everyone always chooses to forget: Plan Columbia. We still have 30K+ in South Korea, the bulk of which are standing on the DMZ. Where does that leave us?

It says here that all that we can do is bomb. A ground invasion is all but out of the question. If Bush/Cheney are seriously thinking about ground action then they are even more incompetent than I thought. And if it is just an air campaign then it will be totally friggin useless. How many times have we seen that air power alone cannot win wars. That notion is a vestige of Rumsfeldism: the idea that you can win with all kinds of push-button high-tech wiz-bang technology + plus high mobility ground forces of modest size that supposedly can run rings around the enemy. Sure, if the enemy chooses to fight the way we want them to; they never do; they are always smarter than we give them credit for.

I went to the website for GlobalSecurity.org, a good mainstream clearinghouse for military info, and I see where they estimate the Iranian Army to be at 305,000 troops, as of the most recent estimate in 2004. The quality of their forces is said to vary widely from one unit to the next, but I tend to agree with srelf that, even if we had the troops available -- and at this point we won't without a draft -- that storming into Tehran won't be the same as storming into Baghdad. In their war with Iraq, Iran was always able to mobilize more troops.

This is all so absurd, I am at a loss for explanations. Perhaps there is a psychological one. Isn't one of the definitions of insanity the tendency to repeat behaviour, get the same negative result, and still refuse to change?

Thank you to everyone ahead of me for addressing sjc. It's good to know that you're not alone.
The U.S. is by far the most dangerous country in the world today. A year ago, I thought there was no way that Bush could get congressional approval for an attack on Iran. There is no longer any doubt in my mind that this Congress will roll over on executive command.

THOMAS j hussey, I doubt this congress would give Bush approval to attack Iran. The problem is, he already has it from issuance of one of his directives. Also you are correct MELVINX, we no longer have the troops necessary to sucessfully fight a war with Iran or anyone else and attempting to nullify Iran with airpower alone would be a another disaster.

There is a way, if we hit Iran with about twenty decent size nukes, That might get their attention. It would most certainly get the attention of the rest of the world populations. Don't put it past Bush, he is insane.

RE: THERE IS NO U.S. "INTERNAL STRUGGLE" OVER IRAN - IT'S A GAME OF GOOD COP/BAD COP

skippyagogo41 August 18th, 2007 3:42 pm
"I do not believe that Rice is opposed to yet another war breaking out, but it is likely that she doesn't want the usa seen as the agressor."

Correct, but not just Rice - neither the idea of an "internal struggle" nor the idea of a "leak" are believable. There are no "leaks" in this ultraloyal administration.

This is a coordinated CheneyBushCo. strategy to escalate while putting up an appearance of being reasonable:

Message to Iran: 'Hey, I'm tryin'a help ya'- you know, to be MODERATE here. But if you're still not cooperative, the guy with brass knuckles and bombs will have to come in.'

Message to Congress: 'We're not escalating, we're being MODERATE here - not bombing (yet)...just establishing the category of 'terrorist' organization. Of course, if Iran still doesn't cooperate, we all know what has to be done about designated terrorists...You know, the designation you already accepted?'

Perhaps our self-righteous behavior as Americans does not allows us to be critical thinkers

I think you all are being a little hard on sjc. He pointed out the obvious. Iran's president is a nut job, just like our president is. The only difference is that the US has a lot more firepower. And the US has, for untold years, been willing to use that firepower and sanctions to kill untold millions of innocents.

This article points to an obvious shift in how the world views the threats and actions of the US. What the US has been willing to do to Iraq has been a wake up call for other nations. What The Current Occupant and his minions never expected is that Russia and China would team up and join the fray on the other side.

To me, the ideal outcome of Bush's threats is that Iran would not retaliate. Instead, Russia and China would take the aggressive actions of the US to the UN and get America sanctioned. I don't think the world is going to stand for another war of agression by the US.

I can only hope.....

I believe you nailed it right Rebel Farmer, excellent post.

RE: T.V. NEWS UPDATE - corporate media shills for war again

A t.v. news update w/some 'terrorist' expert includes the following:
* news headline title - 'iran crisis'
* 'terrorist' label seen as advance notice of a 'hot war'
* terror expert declares if iran is allowed to go on, it will 'control the whole persian gulf'
* terror expert declares iran already has 'american blood on their hands'
* interviewer questions view of some that 'co-existence is possible'

you all should read chris floyd's comments on counterpunch from a couple of days ago re: how bush's invasion of iraq has committed the US to being in iraq indefinitely no matter who is elected in '08 (cuz kucinich/gravel/paul are out), and how the logic of US imperialism in iraq will necessitate an attack/invasion of iran. maybe not for a few years, look how long we wore down saddam before invading. also, this may be one reason why some people are floating ideas for a draft.

also, mcclatchey is a better MSM source than most, but this article definitely fits the propaganda category b/c there's no analysis at all of the claims of this admin, NPT issues, etc.

finally, when we attack iran
WHAT THE hell ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT IT?
WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO ABOUT IT?

i think it's time to stop paying federal taxes right now, somehow. massive anti tax resistance before the destruction starts. any other thoughts?

RE: RESISTANCE - PEOPLE WILL HAVE TO FIND THEIR OWN WAY...

ballsy August 18th, 2007 8:05 pm
"WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO ABOUT IT?....massive anti tax resistance before the destruction starts. any other thoughts?"

"[M]assive tax resistance" not realistic imo. There are antiwar groups - which, regrettably, are not growing, to my knowledge.

Work with any progressive group on behalf of any progressive goal accomplishes something - not too hard for any of us to do, if we set our minds to it. But the great problem - related to question of the antiwar movement above - is how a movement can reach into inert and demoralized, apolitical sectors of the electorate whose involvement progressives need to accomplish their goals...

If I remember correctly, the UN Charter forbids, amongst other things, attacking another country except in actual self defense.

That does not mean attacking another nation because, someday, perhaps, they might, eventually, develop the capacity to attack us, and there is a chance that there might be enough irreconcilable disagreement that there is some possibility of an actual, unprovoked attack, perhaps, maybe, in the far off distant future.

We are a signatory of that charter, unless that, too, has been unilaterally and illegally and unconstitutionally discarded like the Non-proliferation treaty, the peaceful uses of space treaty, the mutual arms reduction treaty, the anti-ballistic missile treaty, the Geneva Conventions on the treatment of prisoners, etc., that has been done by der Bush and his minions.

According to the United States Constitution, "that goddamned piece of paper," that der Bush so despises, once a treaty has been ratified, it becomes a part of the "law of the land" and must be honored by every citizen, which includes the alleged president.(Article VI)

Therefore, as we are signatories to the various treaties above mentioned, this whole mess is not only illegal, but unconstitutional, and the perpetrators are war criminals under the UN Charter and many other sources including the Nuremberg Tribunals, which were essentially run by us, and endeavored to assure that such things would not again be inflicted on the earth, by anybody.

QED

Do not think for one minute that Russia and or China will sit idly by and watch this go down, they are already in Syria and Lebanon.We dont have 3 carrier groups in the region for a show of force.Something very bad is gong to happen and very soon.......

Attack Iran? I don't know what else the Bush administration can do to raise the ire of millions of Muslims to finally remove that Sty in the eye of God and it's 'chosen' pimples. This is the Evilgelical NeoCons' final act - to offer their own brand of christianity to 'save' the Jews before they are all slaughtered in the final glorious Armageddon.

It's pointless and counterproductive to call other people 'nutcases' as the only thing that we can really do is to take care of our own 'nutcases' and their hegemonic delusions.

The U.S. Congress had best hurry while there still is a United States.

If you are a neo con, and oil means power for the American Empire, then you must secure the Persian Gulf oil tanker lanes. That means all of the neo con wussies will want more stand in casualties for their profits and invading Iran.

US has become world destroying terrorist country, with its blood-thirsty leaders. The population has become just mute spectators, except for rhetoric against war. I am surprised why those among the population who acknowledge the destructive activities of their leaders in the world are not able to force their leaders to "CHANGE THEIR BEHAVIOUR" as they did during Vietanam war. Ultimately common citizens are more powerful than a bunch of wicked leaders. So why not start a popular movement against the government and the congress which is supporting the evil plans of the government?????????????

SAVE INNOCENT PEOPLE IN THE WORLD FROM BECOMING PREY TO THE US LEADERS AND THE CONGRESS. ACT BEFORE MORE INNOCENT BLOOD IS SHED AROUND THE WORLD.

President Bush it isn't so much why do they hate us. Why in God's name DO YOU HATE them so much? Is all this blood shed what you intended when you decided to run for president? Do your daughters know what kind of man you are? Does Laura? Do you know what kind of man you have become? Do you really know yourself? Is it so easy for you to justify absolutely everything you do? How may children have died because of your actions? Do you know? Do you care? Is it easy to justify? How many parents all over the world are weeping for their lost ones? Why couldn't you have taken one minute of your time and walked over and talked to Cindy Sheehan? Do you realize how many people you could affect for good instead of evil? Do you realize you are destroying this country and adversly affecting the world? Does that make you proud? When did you stop feeling? I see you swagger out to the podium and I see a man that doesn't display an ounce of compassion,only arroagance. You call yourself a born-again Christian and yet you look more like Judas than Jesus.

Another point to remember is that, while Iraq had been embargoed for ten years, so they had no spare parts for their armor, no modern weapons, and we had destroyed their air force, Iran has a first class military, a lot of modern up to date weapons, missiles GTA, ATG, STS, etc. They also have Hezbollah which is a pretty efficient underground fighting force.

Hezbollah is also a political arm. Hezbollah was a respected political party in Lebanon. Remember, Hezbollah did not fire anything into Israel until Israel unleashed its firepower on Southern Lebanon. Contrary to propaganda, the first cross border missiles were Israel to Lebanon. Iran has Hezbollah, Israel has Mossad. I wouldn't want either one unleashed in my direction.

My point here is, Iran has not attacked anyone in decades, but they won't be a pushover if we hit them. They have the means to fight back, and fight back hard.

Also, as der Bush has become even more stridently militant, I understand that China and Russia have signed, or are about to sign a mutual defense pact. I think Iran wants in on that also. Possibly a few more threatened countries will want to buy in to it.

It may well be that the world is starting to wake up and perhaps stop appeasing der Bush, as it once, finally, stopped appeasing Hitler.

Historical lessons, current events, and rational interpretation of intellegence have normally precluded egotism & theocracy for major decisions in our republic. Unfortunately, this is not the case now.

The current administration is manipulated by the ego, the energy cartel, & the radical religious right wing to an extent never before experienced in our history. The invasion of Iraq, the current suggestion to invade Iran, & the dreadful war on our environment are only some examples.

Unless Americans begin reacting to logic rather than rhetoric, and take back our government from this illegally placed administration now, the rights that we have enjoyed for two centuries may evaporate--and we can blame ourselves for this

Can we please get accountability on the war credit card and compare it to the problems on Wall Street?

How long do we have to deal with this renegade administration? And why is the White House allowed to make decisions while Congress is on recess?

There is no doubt in my mind that this administration will attack Iran. There are many reasons for this, but the main one is that we are a warrior nation that needs to promote war as much as a Pit-Bull that is trained to fight needs to fight. To say we are a peaceful nation is denial of the highest degree. We were a nation born from revolution and exploitation. Just ask the Native Americans.

Name one time since WWII that this government didn't go into a war it could otherwise have avoided? Look at all the invasions we had over the past few decades, Korea, Vietnam, Panama, Grenada, Afghanistan, Iraq with basically no justification other than keep our war based economy going. Add on the fact that we have our troops in over 120 countries one has to wonder who can call this country anything but an Imperialist country.

This current administration has to attack Iran. To throw this country and the world into chaos is their dream. They can then declare whatever Draconian dictates they wish for "national security" reasons. Get ready for it. The next great upheaval will be worldwide and if any should survive it will be left with a planet that for the most part will be largely uninhabitable.

End Times? No, just the end of mankind's short rein on this planet. And how soon will this all that place? It already is happening. For anyone that thinks the that the next 20 years will be anything even remotely like the last 20 years is insane.

From the McClatchy article: "Lt. Gen. Raymond Odierno, the No. 2 commander in Iraq, said Friday that Shi'ite factions, backed by Iranian groups, are now responsible for nearly half the attacks in Iraq, compared to 30 percent in January."

Given the way that the U.S. occupation army has been going after the Shiite militias for the last year or so is it any wonder these militias are starting to fight back more and more. My understanding is that the Al Sadr group was the "party" with the biggest vote in the last elections. Yet they haven't been treated as other than outlaws by the U.S. Everyone in the Middle East can see that "Democracy" and "rule of law" is a complete sham as applied by the U.S. and several of its allies. So then why wouldn't the Iranian supporters conclude that violence is the only rule the U.S. plays by.

As Westerners, we would do well to stop travelling and keep our heads down for many years after the U.S. further escalates its violence against Iran one day. The retaliation against the West by Iranian sympathisers could make the world a living hell for us, if not yet Armageddon.
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Let's go teach 'em all a lesson.

"Can you name me an instance where Iran has attacked another country?"
That is a joke, right?

Walter E Wallis wrote:
<"Can you name me an instance where Iran has attacked another country?"
That is a joke, right?>

Walter tell us then...Go on, tell us what you know, even if you think it a joke.

Walter, I think it would be good to hear the reasons behind your comment even though you seem to imply they are self evident. If you care to spell out your reasons we might even be able to engage with you in some sort of intelligent discussion based on your points. Otherwise your comment above remains an obscure and rather glib dismissal not worthy of any respect.

So how about some evidence for us to get our teeth into please Walter?

Robert Settgard said:
"the rights that we have enjoyed for two centuries may evaporate".
My understanding is our rights are already evaporating.

Rights? What Rights? The only one left is the one about not having to house soldiers and who knows for how long that one will last...

Why on earth would anyone trust what the yank gov't says on any issue at all?

yank as in Yankee skippyagogo? Are you from the south? If so, are you forgetting that your confederate states are one of the main supporters of Bush? The self proclaimed Texan. As a northern citizen, I believe most of us see your Bushy as a traitor to the north with his claim of being a Texan. And glad you have him!!! Just do us a favor, keep him under wraps once he gets back to you in 09!!!

A ground invasion is all but out of the question.

Actually a ground war isn't out of the question. If this administration goes to bombing Iran, my bet is they'll move into Iraq to fight us. USA Today has a piece on their site now of some general claiming he knows they are moving back and forth across the border in southern Iraq to train and supply the Shiite's. And being mostly Shiiia, I don't see them turning down the help. He says they are looking for 50 of these Iranians. But have no one in custody. I find it rather funny after 4 years they can't catch any of them. Not to mention with a telescope in space that can show you a stamp as clear as day, they can't get a picture of these people moving across the border or of the truck loads of the supplies they claim are coming across. Its just made up intelligence as that that put us into this unlawful occupation. With our over worked soldiers (suicide rate to prove it, along with other factors) we would no doubt have to reinstate the draft. Which I imagine is part of the plan.

Instead, Russia and China would take the aggressive actions of the US to the UN and get America sanctioned.

Dam mit man!!! You mean we'd have to move backwards in time to where we'd have to make our own products again? Rebuild our manufacturing infrastructure? Make our own cloths feed our own people? They'd probably cut off our oil supply also, forcing us to use alternative power sources. Even more jobs in the windmill and solar areas. This could only be a blessing!! That's why its not likely to happen. Other countries use us to support their own causes. And to do this would kill their own economies in time. We have to much water between us and them. And in time we would build our way out to become stronger. It would be along the lines of waking the sleeping giant. In this case the giant being we the people getting back that which our government has sold us out on. This is a world wide plan (globalization). Its not going to happen. They'd have to nuke us to make any kind of major difference. And trading nukes with the world only kills everyones economy. They aren't that dam nuts.

COCO, that's right a lot of innocent people will die if Bush has his way and he doesn't care, like you I DO care. I would like to meet you someday Coco, at least see you here at Common Dreams.

KINKYGNTLMN, China now has a pretty good lock on much of the raw materials, rare minerals and ores required for us to ever begin manufacturing as we once did. We would have a very difficult time standing alone. We're gonna have a hard time in this world anymore as it is, we damn near stand alone now.

If the Evangelical neocons are so miserable and are in such a hurry for Armageddon, why don't they just follow Jim Jones' example; drink cyanide and commit group suicide. Why do they have to do the ultimate terrorist act and take the rest of the world with them in nuclear holocaust.

Iran is no threat to the US and anybody with half a brain knows this.

But Iran could potentially be a threat to Israel hegemony in the region some years down the road.

Does anyboody think it is a coincidence that virtually all those clamoring for war with Iran are dual-loyalist Zionist fanatics.

We need to talk PEACE with IRAN and act like a Christian a true born again Christian. Just because you say you are, does not mean you are. Bush in my book, is the NUT. He has now lost his brain with Rove going . We need to PRAY to GOD that America will get out the war, have peace, jobs at home, stop buying Chinese poison or we will be in Armedgedon before it's really time for Jesus to split the Eastern sky. Are you ready? With nuts like Bush and Cheney and Condi conducting the band with Rumsfield all all his croneies still around, we are treading on dangerous ground. Let's grow up, be smart, vote for John Edwards and a yelow dog Democrat Congress. Send all blue dogs and ALL the pubs back where they belong. Where did the middle class go? We are po folks or rich like GW and Cheney. ThinkNo taxes for the rich. Are their sons and daughters fighting the war for the rich? Read sra Carter in the Washington Times. amy Goodman on LINK TV. Listen..... and act.

sjc
I'd be willing to bet you have never personally met a single Iranian 'nutjob'. Seventy percent of the Iranian population is under 30 years old and they are just trying raise their families and grow up as human beings just like we are here. There people are wonderfully friendly and even YOU could visit there without harassment. But there comes a point when even fair minded citizens will rise up against the big bully down the street, the United States. Let's not go there.
Most of the world knows that the United States has been hijacked by the biggest 'busted nut job administration ' the world has ever seen. And when you bust a nut that big, it leaves an overwhelming mess. At least we won't have to clean up any lubricant, cause God knows they didn't use any. Oh wait a minute, there certainly was oil involved. The dark slimy kind that has proved to be nothing but deadly. Fortunately CSPAN has high quality digital video and audio recordings of United States Congresspersons who have voted to continue this tragic misadventure by following the bush administration lock, stock and barrel into this swamp of death and destruction. History now has a wealth of documentation that cannot be denied. One of the darkest, slimiest periods in U.S. history. It won't be vague at the Hague. Three, two, one KUCINNICH! Peace IS possible.

We were conned into war with Iraq by Bush's handlers and their false claims about nonexistant WMDs. The same "advisors" are making false claims about Iran for the last four years. Next it will be Lenabon or Seriya or Saudi Arabia or some other Muslim Arab country that they want destroyed for no other reason then HATE.

Time for the establishment to step aside and let HOT HEADS prevail. Impeachment is getting to be the ONLY alternative.