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Fatigue Cripples US Army In Iraq
Exhaustion and combat stress are besieging US troops in Iraq as they battle with a new type of warfare. Some even rely on Red Bull to get through the day. As desertions and absences increase, the military is struggling to cope with the crisis
Lieutenant Clay Hanna looks sick and white. Like his colleagues he does not seem to sleep. Hanna says he catches up by napping on a cot between operations in the command centre, amid the noise of radio. He is up at 6am and tries to go to sleep by 2am or 3am. But there are operations to go on, planning to be done and after-action reports that need to be written. And war interposes its own deadly agenda that requires his attention and wakes him up.
When he emerges from his naps there is something old and paper-thin about his skin, something sketchy about his movements as the days go by.The Americans he commands, like the other men at Sullivan - a combat outpost in Zafraniya, south east Baghdad - hit their cots when they get in from operations. But even when they wake up there is something tired and groggy about them. They are on duty for five days at a time and off for two days. When they get back to the forward operating base, they do their laundry and sleep and count the days until they will get home. It is an exhaustion that accumulates over the patrols and the rotations, over the multiple deployments, until it all joins up, wiping out any memory of leave or time at home. Until life is nothing but Iraq.
Hanna and his men are not alone in being tired most of the time. A whole army is exhausted and worn out. You see the young soldiers washed up like driftwood at Baghdad's international airport, waiting to go on leave or returning to their units, sleeping on their body armour on floors and in the dust.
Where once the war in Iraq was defined in conversations with these men by untenable ideas - bringing democracy or defeating al-Qaeda - these days the war in Iraq is defined by different ways of expressing the idea of being weary. It is a theme that is endlessly reiterated as you travel around Iraq. 'The army is worn out. We are just keeping people in theatre who are exhausted,' says a soldier working for the US army public affairs office who is supposed to be telling me how well things have been going since the 'surge' in Baghdad began.
They are not supposed to talk like this. We are driving and another of the public affairs team adds bitterly: 'We should just be allowed to tell the media what is happening here. Let them know that people are worn out. So that their families know back home. But it's like we've become no more than numbers now.'
The first soldier starts in again. 'My husband was injured here. He hit an improvised explosive device. He already had a spinal injury. The blast shook out the plates. He's home now and has serious issues adapting. But I'm not allowed to go back home to see him. If I wanted to see him I'd have to take leave time (two weeks). And the army counts it.'
A week later, in the northern city of Mosul, an officer talks privately. 'We're plodding through this,' he says after another patrol and another ambush in the city centre. 'I don't know how much more plodding we've got left in us.'
When the soldiers talk like this there is resignation. There is a corrosive anger, too, that bubbles out, like the words pouring unbidden from a chaplain's assistant who has come to bless a patrol. 'Why don't you tell the truth? Why don't you journalists write that this army is exhausted?'
It is a weariness that has created its own culture of superstition. There are vehicle commanders who will not let the infantrymen in the back fall asleep on long operations - not because they want the men alert, but because, they say, bad things happen when people fall asleep. So the soldiers drink multiple cans of Rip It and Red Bull to stay alert and wired.
But the exhaustion of the US army emerges most powerfully in the details of these soldiers' frayed and worn-out lives. Everywhere you go you hear the same complaints: soldiers talk about divorces, or problems with the girlfriends that they don't see, or about the children who have been born and who are growing up largely without them.
'I counted it the other day,' says a major whose partner is also a soldier. 'We have been married for five years. We added up the days. Because of Iraq and Afghanistan we have been together for just seven months. Seven months ... We are in a bad place. I don't know whether this marriage can survive it.'
The anecdotal evidence on the ground confirms what others - prominent among them General Colin Powell, the former US Secretary of State - have been insisting for months now: that the US army is 'about broken'. Only a third of the regular army's brigades now qualify as combat-ready. Officers educated at the elite West Point academy are leaving at a rate not seen in 30 years, with the consequence that the US army has a shortfall of 3,000 commissioned officers - and the problem is expected to worsen.
And it is not only the soldiers that are worn out. The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have led to the destruction, or wearing out, of 40 per cent of the US army's equipment, totalling at a recent count $212bn (£105bn).
But it is in the soldiers themselves - and in the ordinary stories they tell - that the exhaustion of the US military is most obvious, coming amid warnings that soldiers serving multiple Iraq deployments, now amounting to several years, are 50 per cent more likely than those with one tour to suffer from acute combat stress.
The army's exhaustion is reflected in problems such as the rate of desertion and unauthorised absences - a problem, it was revealed earlier this year, that had increased threefold on the period before the war in Afghanistan and had resulted in thousands of negative discharges.
'They are scraping to get people to go back and people are worn out,' said Thomas Grieger, a senior US navy psychiatrist, told the International Herald Tribune in April.
'Modern war is exhausting,' says Major Stacie Caswell, an occupational therapist with a combat stress unit attached to the military hospital in Mosul. Her unit runs long group sessions to help soldiers with emerging mental health and discipline problems: often they have seen friends killed and injured, or are having problems stemming from issues at home - responsible for 50 to 60 per cent of their cases. One of the most common problems in Iraq is sleep disorders.
'This is a different kind of war,' says Caswell. 'In World War II it was clear who the good guys and the bad guys were. You knew what you would go through on the battlefield.' Now she says the threat is all around. And soldiering has changed. 'Now we have so many things to do...'
'And the soldier in Vietnam,' interjects Sergeant John Valentine from the same unit, 'did not get to see the coverage from home that these soldiers do. We see what is going on at home on the political scene. They think the war is going to end. Then we have the frustration and confusion. That is fatiguing. Mentally tiring.'
'Not only that,' says Caswell, 'but because of the nature of what we do now, the number of tasks in comparison with previous generations - even as you are finishing your 15 months here you are immediately planning and training for your next tour.' Valentine adds: 'There is no decompression.'
The consequence is a deep-seated problem of retention and recruitment that in turn, says Caswell, has led the US army to reduce its standards for joining the military, particularly over the issue of no longer looking too hard at any previous history of mental illness. 'It is a question of honesty, and we are not investigating too deeply or we are issuing waivers. The consequence is that we are seeing people who do not have the same coping skills when they get here, and this can be difficult.
'We are also seeing older soldiers coming in - up to 41 years old - and that is causing its own problems. They have difficulty dealing with the physical impact of the war and also interacting with the younger men.'
Valentine says: 'We are not only watering down the quality of the soldiers but the leadership too. The good leaders get out. I've seen it. And right now we are on the down slope.'
'War tsar' calls for return of the draft to take the strain
America's 'war tsar' has called for the nation's political leaders to consider bringing back the draft to help a military exhausted by wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
In a radio interview, Lieutenant General Douglas Lute said the option had always been open to boost America's all-volunteer army by drafting in young men in the same way as happened in Vietnam. 'I think it makes sense to consider it,' he said. Lute was appointed 'war tsar' earlier this year after President Bush decided a single figure was needed to oversee the nation's military efforts abroad.
Rumours of a return to the draft have long circulated in military circles as the pressure from fighting two large conflicts at the same time builds on America's forces. However, politically it would be extremely difficult to achieve, especially for any leader hoping to be elected in 2008. Bush has previously ruled out the suggestion as unnecessary.
Lute, however, said the war was causing stress to military families and, as a result, was having an impact on levels of re-enlistment. 'This kind of stress plays out across dinner tables and in living-room conversations within these families. Ultimately the health of the all-volunteer force is going to rest on those sorts of personal family decisions,' he said.
A draft would revive bad memories of the turmoil of the 1960s and early 1970s when tens of thousands of young men were drafted to fight and die in Vietnam. Few other policies proved as divisive in America and the memories of anti-war protesters burning their draft cards and fleeing to Canada are still vivid in the memory.
© 2007 The Guardian
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Show All"Twenty" by Robert Cray
http://www.afsc.org/iraq/cray/video-qt.htm
When you're used up, where do you go
Soldier
Mother dry your eyes, there's no need to cry
I'm not a boy, it's what I signed up for
When you're used up, where do you go
Soldier
I can't take the heat, and I hardly sleep anymore
What'd we come here for
Standing out here in the desert
Trying to protect an oil line
I'd really like to do my job but
This ain't the country that I had in mind
They call this a war on terror
I see a lot of civilians dying
Mothers, sons, fathers and daughters
Not to mention some friends of mine
Some friends of mine
Was supposed to leave last week
Promises they don't keep anymore
Got to fight the rich man's war
When you're used up, where do you go
Soldier
Late in 2004
Comes a knock at the door
It's no surprise
Mother dry your eyes
Mother don't you cry, no, no
Someone told you a lie
Yes they did, why
Mother don't you cry, oh no
Mother don't you cry
When you're used up, where do you go
Soldier
Well imagine what it would be like living there as an Iraqi. This is all a nightmare that didn't have to happen. Bush and a few of his nutjobs freinds thought it would be easy to steal Iraqs resources for themselves.
The war enthusiasm that so many in our country seem to have is being reduced back to the bunch that still support it.[Congress, the administration, the mainstream media, neo-conservative radio nazi's] The ones actually fighting it are starting to see it for what it is.
It takes a lot out of a soldier to run over dead bodies with tanks. It is incredibly exhausting to call in air strikes. Can anyone imagine how physically demanding it is to kick-in doors in 100+ heat? And all this for a fake war. The real fun part will be when these inhumane bastards will come home then whine around about mental problems for the next 25 years.
What a farce.
As a Vet. of the Viet Nam war [police action]it will be very interresting to me to see the Mental Health issues that this country will be forced to come to grips with when johnny comes marching home.All one has to look at is the stress disorders that Viet Nam Vet's experienced requiring long term treatment.Now if you look at the demographic's of this current military membership, many of them coming from poor rural area's where services won't be immediatly available,how depressing.For those many poor urban members,God help them, upon returning to their communities.We have no ideal of what we have created by the way we have terrorized our troups in this extended deployment in the Iraqy hellhole.
This is one of those moments when you know why the military should be supplied entirely by draftees. This war would not have happened if the elite would be at risk of service.
Of course that would require a fair system unaffected by bribes to, or extortion by, elected officials. An honest, relatively objective press and politicians that generally represent the people.
Whoops, if we had any of that kind of government we wouldn't be at war in Iraq. Kind of a catch 22. To get good government you need good government.
As long as both sides (GOP and DEM) exercise their prophets for profits, this nightmare will continue.
Did something I don't like to do - read the posts without reading the article.
Freedom Loving American: I agree to a point with your sentiments; war represents failure and we will never have progress as long as we continue to frame our world view around "us and them." But consider your neighbors, friends, and family that still believe, in varying degrees, the "correctness" of this illegal destruction of Iraq.
It is useless trying to lump all of the Americans in the military into one mindset or another. People serve for a multitude of reasons and some are indeed ruthless, mindless murderers, but many are not. Some mistakenly believe that they are on the side of the "good guys" and will go to their grave thinking that. Like our deluded neighbors, friends, and relatives.
The mental disorders that they come home with will be real and is a nightmare that I've been contemplating for some time. Remember Timothy Mcveigh?
Our troops are clearly on their own and they need to take matters into their own hands. The people responsible for mismanaging our military into hell are also confessed DOMESTIC ENEMIES OF OUR CONSTITUTION, which they have already eviscerated. Hence, it's time for OUR military to STORM THE WHITE HOUSE, arrest said enemies, and install Interim President Pelosi until the next election.
Here's the plan: Colin Powell's looking for a way to atone for his litany of sins, and he's one pissed off mofo. Plus, he still has massive support spread amongst the entire military-industrial complex. After stealthily cobbling together a "coalition of the willing" - business leaders, top officials, CNN, etc - he wrangles a couple of Special Forces DOAs and, before they even realize, Cheneybush and the rest are being held in an undisclosed brig awaiting extradition to the Hague. In exchange for his saving of America and Democracy, Powell is given immunity for all past offenses.
Once Pelosi has the pulpit, she announces a MAJOR COURSE CORRECTION, beginning with an immediate drawdown of troops in Iraq and a huge international rebuilding effort. She also warns anyone who wishes to do harm to anything American: the Bush cancer has been eliminated. America comes in peace - but we will beat your ass to a bloody pulp if you f**k with us.
Face it, people - aside from a nonviolent military overthrow, (which would be covered by FISA, which allows for the arrest of even a "sitting president" if he is in violation and, in this case, confesses,) we are out of options.
I think that the only way to wake up the administration is to reinstate the draft. It will spark more than just fretting and hand wringing about the war and get more citizens involved enough to raise hell about the cost in lives and "treasure" which leads me to the fact that we're spending billions on the war while our infrastructure fails, our national health insurance program is totally inadequate, and on. Not to mention the more than half million Iraqis who have lost their lives.
hshane: Charlie Rangle has pushed this idea since the beginning of this mess and has gotten nowhere. The neocons would sooner sanction gay marriage than call for a draft.
to "Freedom Loving American":
Did you just call these stressed-out soldiers "inhumane bastards"?
to the Common Dreams Site Manager:
Please remove such trash from the blog. Those of us who lived through Vietnam's aftermath know too well how damaging such talk is.
If the draft starts up nobody should be immune! Just because you can afford to send your kid to college should not make them ineligible.
The Nazi's and Japs taught their troops how to make meth (crank) right on the battlefield using kerosene, antifreeze, etc. Come on guys, Red Bull?
(I hope you know I'm being facetious, it's really all very sad and tragic)
if they had a draft we would finally have real war protests.
that is the value of the draft.
and that is the bigger reason why there will be no draft, not just that whoever suggests a draft will not get elected.
Yes, Stressed-out soldiers become inhumane bastards. That's what happens in war. Your comment Mr Johnson confirms you're even worse than such a soldier; you are a troll using a Republican talking-point that's framed to extol war that turns soldiers into inhumane bastards!
Freedom Loving American you sound like a damned chickenhawk. How dare you attack those who have repeatedly been through a hell you obviously can't even imagine? Have you ever been under fire? I don't condone illegal reprehensible acts by our soldiers, but I also know intolerable stress and lack of rest or even support can cause people to do things they would not otherwise do. They are not the ones we should be blaming. The blame belongs at the top.
To keep this illegal occupation going on the Army is now recruiting people who should never be given a weapon. And they know it and do it anyway. All because those criminals at the top don't want the public to rise in an uproar over their occupation and plans for Iraq's oil.
Eric Johnson, I don't agree that Freedom "Loving" American should be removed, I think we should hear what such people think. They are out there. And we should have an opportunity to respond to such ignorant garbage. I seriously doubt we can open such closed minds, but uninformed people get to hear both sides. I think that's good. There's too many one-sided conversations going on. But I understand your pain. And how such callous statements bring back terrible memories, and for those with PTSD, horrible flashbacks. I know about flashbacks. My former partner, a Russian, told me a saying in his country: A full man will never understand a hungry one. That is true, a fact of life. But the hungry understand each other. And they are the ones who reach out a hand to each other.
Vince Lawrence, I hope you read the article, it's very powerful.
JConrad, thank you so much for your post. I will be forwarding the video with the above article to everyone I know. For me, it brought back my Vietnam protest years, the grief I felt that we took our innocent young men, boys, really, and sent them to be changed forever. And brought them home to a country that turned it's back on them. But what we are doing now is far more dangerous. We are subjecting our young people into a state of mental illness with prolonged stress and exhaustion. And we are doing it to far more unbalanced personalities with the lowered standards for military service, and the collapse of qualified supervision with the officer exodus. Heaven help us. This will be bringing terrorism home. Wait and see.
The US government has committed to a strategy of military domination of persion gulf oil resources. This policy required invasion and occupation of Iraq and may require destruction of Iran as a force in the region. This will cause a severe strain on military resources and a truly enormous terrorist security threat to the US population. If our government is going to get away with this they will need more suppression of dissent and very possibly a military draft. They also need the Democrats to come on board or they need to steal another election. The corporations are helping to limit the candidates available for serious consideration to people who will continue to pursue military domination over middle eastern oil resources. The only candidate who can be trusted to put an end to this war is Dennis Kucinich.
karlof1, I think you've mislabeled the troll here. I agree, the tragedy of war is forcing our wonderful young people into doing inhumane things. And brainwashing them into thinking they are doing it to save us. I read that 85% of the soldiers in Iraq believe the Fox News story line about WMD and Saddham's connection with Al Qaeda.
But the young men did come home from Vietnam to a country that was ashamed of them and abandoned them. When I lived in rural Minnesota in the early 1980s I saw that the soldiers that came back to the small farming communities were embraced and supported and did far better than those from the cities.
What I'm saying is we sent them there, they didn't know what they were getting in to, and we owe them. They need our support to get over their experiences. Ever wonder why no veterans ever talk about their experiences except to other veterans? No one else can understand or relate to what they've been through. Trying to talk to civilians leaves them feeling unvalidated. We owe them.
Sam, you're exactly right and I fear for our democracy. In fact, I fear it's already too late and we no longer have one. We just haven't discovered that yet because on the whole, we haven't tried to assert our rights. There have been incidents of people getting arrested for wearing disrespectful t-shirts, etc, but nothing on a larger scale.
The executive orders are in place, all they need now is the excuse.
No to the draft and yes many of our soldiers there are inhumane beasts. No one has to obey illegal commands.
Except for the National guard troops most of our troops are volunteers. If I go out and commit a crime and then say I didn't know it was a crime they don't cut me any slack because I was stupid. There is ample evidence by now as there was before the war that the whole thing was based on lies. It's time to stop making excuses for murderer's.
Sacrificing our youth to end the war is as bad as sacrificing them to continue the war. While I understand, in theory, why people here would call for the draft, as the mother of a soon-to-be 18 year old boy, I can't imagine sending him and his friends off to this god-for-saken illegal war against their will. They had nothing to do with it -- they were all of 13 years old when it began. Even then, my son marched with me against the war. How could anyone wish such a horrendous conscription on a young person who has their whole life ahead of them? I wish I could prevent the young kids signing up voluntarily from ruining their lives, but I suppose that is their decision and right, however misguided they have been by their recruiters. We, the adults of this country, need to get control of government and demand they obey the will of the people. Seriously, people, think about what you are saying. We must not ever encourage or support a draft -- and we should demand the immediate return of the poor soldiers described in this article. It is just all so horrendous.
"DEMOCRATS SAY LEAVING IRAQ MAY TAKE YEARS"
Pay no attention to their shabby, ignorant talk. Make hay anyway you can to let the ignorant bastards in government know that you want the US out of Iraq.
Copy this article on "Fatigue" straight from the webpage so the photo of the sleeping GI is included (do not use the printer-friendly version). Only the first three pages are needed.
Fasten them together and mail them to your senators and representative with a cover letter. Keep it simple, straight to the point, and speak your mind with absolutely no fear. My cover letter follows. Please make your own, in your own words, as that will be more effective than borrowing mine.
13 August 2007
Bob Etheridge
1533 Longworth House Office Building
Washington, DC 20515
Dear Bob:
What more is there to say or do about the marvelous adventure the US attempted in Iraq?
I sincerely hope that, if you are not able at this time to feel deep regret for your support of this "war", that you will live to be deeply ashamed of every action you took to allow this senseless war to begin, and to go on.
There is simply nothing you can do to atone for the great sin of this war and the spectacular destruction it has brought to the entire world.
All that you can do now is to move quickly and decisively to end the US occupation of Iraq.
Anything less than that is indicative of a heartless ignorance on your part.
Most sincerely,
Russell S. Wollman
Kathyodat:
Thanks for your HUMANE and impassioned response.
I was going to respond in like manner, as, like you (a nurse) I too work with *people* and like you am revolted when life is needlessly taken, and horrifying damage is purposely done.
We who 'help to put people back together again' - be it physically, or mentally and emotionally, are appalled when we see harm befall those who've been suckered into committing utterly unnecessary acts of warfare, [and of course, to those tragic beings on the receiving end] -- all courtesy of the suited barbarians 'at the top'.
And as to those over-tired, duped soldiers (aka: cannon fodder), I fell to thinking how fatigued, stressed-out people often react; - they make mistakes and errors of judgement.
In a combat zone this leads to all manner of 'sins' committed on whoever happens to get in their way, be it 'blue on blue' (friendly fire) accidents, or purposeful incidents of madness expressed via the barrels and bombs of weaponry...
~ And all because some satanic asses in 'high orifice' (sic) decided they wanted to play 'Cowboys' with real life actors.
- Having never proved themselves by placing their own necks on the line, our spineless, sordid millionaire leaders now vaunt their impotence, -*vicariously* enjoying sending their toy soldiers off into this odious Hollywood epic, - believing in their lunacy that they are in some way going down in history as great leaders.
They are right in one thing only: They are indeed 'going down in history'
- but as the worst possible cretins to ever besmirch the seat of power in the USA.
From here on, the only way is up.
And we, the comparatively more aware, are IMHO leading a phoenix-like renaissance, up from the ashes of their ruinous blunders towards a more enlightened age.
If they have done us any favors at all, it is to show us just what sinister ghouls can accomplish when our backs are turned.
I hope we as a race will never again allow such morons to so infest positions of power...
I am sick and tired of hearing from the right that people sign up for things and they have to put up with whatever ill treatment is bestowed upon them.
It is my understanding when people sign contracts they expect the other contractor to be fair in it's terms.
Just because you sign a paper does not give the other person the right to make you a slave for life for their will.
How would the right like it if when they signed up for a driver's license they could be pulled into milatary duty for life-transporting.
What about when you sign up for car insurance they decide to increase your rates monthy for no fault of your own.
This is tyranny, loan sharking and other organized crime. Why did the gov. try to capture the mob-the government is only making the mob look better.
The right should sign up and make it easier on the military. After all it is the humane thing to do if they want a war.
funeocons - your son - you don't want him to be drafted to possibly die in Iraq. I feel the same way about mine.
The question is: How do you feel about all those Iraqis? How do those mothers feel?
That is the logic of the draft - parents are forced to look at the waste and death of war.
"This is a different kind of war,' says Caswell. 'In World War II it was clear who the good guys and the bad guys were. You knew what you would go through on the battlefield.' Now she says the threat is all around. And soldiering has changed."
Yes, being here in the states, one can only imagine the psychological torture our troops are experiencing when they point their rifles to shoot and don't have a clue if the person(s) they're aiming is actually the enemy. How can they know when the enemy isn't clearly defined by a traditional uniform?
This is all standard operational procedures or SOP from those who bellow about "supporting the troops" all the while voting for their own raises and not caring one iota what happens to the youth of our nation.
What we have now is called an economic draft. Create the conditions like no jobs outside of at the local fast food joint and no shot at a college education cause the kids either went to private religious schools that teach dogma and no science or math and presto - or public schools which teach virtually nothing at all save dependence upon the govt - the end result is thousands of rural teenagers who NEED to join the military as a way out of the rural ghettos all over the country. There is already the urban ghettos who provide thousands of urban teenagers who NEED to join the military to have a shot at getting out of the dead end economy they were born into.
And this is called "leadership"?
There's no good end to this. Cheney is a corporate criminal and Bush is a Christian fanatic bent on Biblical Armageddon. Unless impeached they will push the World into a nuclear World War Three, but impeachment is "off the table". Soon, therefore, the human race will be "off the table" forever.
Viet Nam ended when the grunts refused to fight another day. It won't be long now.
funeocons :I wish I could prevent the young kids signing up voluntarily from ruining their lives, but I suppose that is their decision and right, however misguided they have been by their recruiters.
You are either incredibly naive or incredibly callous about where and how recruitment centres operate according to there own admission.
Here is a suggestion : Exchange your Levite-Pharisee hat for a Good Samaritan one . Find a recruitmnet centre , usually in the poorest part of town , or community college or even middle-school . Pick a potential enlistee in the queue and privately promise to support him or her for all the enticements that the said recriter offered in return for enlistment. Then watch him or her hastily vacate the queue even in mid-pen-stroke . It is obvious that you are already supporting your boy in this regard , otherwise he or shewould be in the enlistment queue as well
YOU BE THE CHANGE This suggestion goes for millions of hand-wringing , arm-chair psuedo-activists like you .
Be a Rosa Parks
'The army is worn out. We are just keeping people in theatre who are exhausted,'
Suck it up boys . You are not even half way through the duration of the Vietnam police action or the duration of the Russian occupation of Afghanistan.
It is not to late to say you are sorry and follow Ehren Watada when you are finally come state-side.Please do not wait to be brought home for good in daylight.
If following Ehren Watada is unacceptably un-Anerican then be American and suck it up.
Nietzsche,
That's wishful thinking. The USA is now ruled by the grandson of a Nazi collaborator and a corporate criminal, and they will do ANYTHING to stay in power. All they need is another terrorist attack here in the USA and automatically they acquire emergency powers, which would certainly include restarting the military draft of citizens into the Armed forces. It's fascism.
I am sympathetic to the troops (I missed out on Vietnam by a year), but I thought the "Just obeying orders" defence to committing atrocities was squashed in Nuremburg.
koalaburger,
It was, but Bush is a Christian fanatic dedicated to fulfilling the Biblical prophesy of Armageddon, so he is not bound by Internatiuonal Law. In his suicidal madness he thinks he is doing God's work.
A draft? "...and it's one two three four! What are we fighting for? Don't ask me, I don't give damn! Next stop is... Iran."
On to Iran!
Shakker wrote on August 12th, 2007 1:12 pm: "This is one of those moments when you know why the military should be supplied entirely by draftees. This war would not have happened if the elite would be at risk of service."
I would remind you how the "elite" always get their own personal way about it. Look back to our current president's "military service" and the issues around that, about where he was and was not, and whether he did the hours required, or not, and so forth.
He got away with doing nothing by comparison to what these people did. They always do.
The elite might "get drafted," but they'd be "drafted" to "prime quality" positions that are "safe" and "easy" for sure.
This is not our war. We are there because the Israeli "advisors" in the Bush White House lied about Iraq's nonexistant WMDs.
The list has changed somewhat, but is still dominated by Israeli operatives. They are still lieing about Palestine, Iran, Lebanon, Seriya, Saudi Arabia, etc, etc...
The Mossad motto is-- "By Deception, Thou Shalt make War"
http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/bushlist.htm
Let's get one thing straight: I am sympathetic to many of the Vietnam War vets because they were under the draft regime. They were gangpressed. If they didn't go, they would face jail.
I'm not as sympathetic to the US Forces in Iraq. They volunteered. They made their choice. No one held a gun to their head.
Many wanted to kill "ragheads", "sandniggers", "Ali Babas", "Jihadis" or other abusive names they enthusiastically called Middle Easterners. They took an oath to defend the the Constitution of The United States. This war is illegal and in violation of Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution of the United States. Am I suppose to praise them for helping Bush violate the US Constitution and enable Bush's war of genocide in Iraq?? These US soldiers are grown ass adults who knew what they were getting themselves into. The problem is when they come back with their host of mental, physical and emotional issues; many of them will be a menace to their families and communities. If I offend anybody with my post, all I can say is LIKE I CARE!
to "Freedom Loving American":
Did you just call these stressed-out soldiers "inhumane bastards"?
Yes, he did.
He's just another money hungry stupid Faux News Rethuglican. I believe the inhumane bastards reside and get their paychecks (from us, not Halliburton or the Carlyle war profiters) at 1600 Penn. Ave.
These poor kids in the good ole Uncle Sam war machine are just warmed over cannon fodder who still believe the bullshit propaganda lies they were fed.
My God what have we done? And once America creates nuclear winter - My God what have we done now? Brought to you by the Crazy Christians who ride dinosaurs and still think GW is human.
Wow, some people here are really quick to judge people. Because I post on this site makes me an "armchair pseudo-activist". Anyone who knows me is laughing their ass off right now. And I know plenty what the recruiters do - I have to fight them off every week, the phone calls to my house, etc. I am not rich, but I work for peanuts at a university so I can get the discount to be able to send my kid to college. I have been opposed to this war before it began and have marched in DC (a LONG way from my house) and have actively been doing what we can do as citizens to oppose this war. I would tell those kids signing up for the military that it is not worth risking your life and your future for some money to go to college. Some people aspire to join the military for a wide variety of reasons - family tradition, sense of patriotism, a chance to get out of whatever circumstances they are in -- it is not for me to judge and tell them what they should or shouldn't do. But I will fight this stupid war with everything I have. As for my son, sacrificing him will not atone for any children lost to Iraqis. I am quite sure if I were to ask an Iraqi mother if my son should go to Iraq (or if she would feel better if he was killed), she would say "no way". As a parent, I have tremendous empathy for the parents in Iraq and for what they are going through. I can't even imagine it and I am so outraged by this war I feel like I will go crazy sometimes. My point was, we must not encourage one more person to participate in this bloodbath. Instituting the draft will not make things better. The naive ones on this site are the ones that think "protests" are going to change anything. No other war has had as large of protests as this war -- and never had there been such a large protest to PREVENT a war. These people have their agenda and they don't give a shit what the people think. That is pretty obvious. I have every right to say I will not stand for my son being sent to fight in an illegal occupation. He doesn't owe this administration or this F**KED UP country a goddamn thing. It is very obvious the ones calling for the draft have absolutely nothing to lose from it...the only ones we should draft are the ones that voted for it -- our Congressmen and women, and the entire executive branch, and the Republican party and all their think tanks.
Good for you, funeocons (and I suddenly realized what your username stands for). I recognized you as another Cindy Sheehan, trying to save your son and other mothers' sons.
I agree that a draft would feed the war meter and of course the rich would be safe from harm - they always are.
I agree with you, entelechy. We are already a fascist state.
Nietzsche, the grunts didn't end the war, I was there. The public tide turned against the war when inflation and taxes started a rebellion.
Willo, obviously you don't have a clue about the experience of battle. When the army starts evaluating recruits for their ability to tolerate stress (which they are perfectly capable of doing but they don't want to) we will see a drop in battlefield atrocities. Meanwhile, not knowing if the civilian headed toward you is friend or about to murder you is something none of us here have to face so DON'T JUDGE.
UN-common-dreams, thank you for your kind and understanding post. It's good to see others who "get it". I wish more did. This sorry world needs all the understanding it can get, but there are many who are still in the blame and judge mode of thinking, including on this site.
kali,
"many signed up just to kill sand niggers"
says who? give the young men and women a break and quit talking out of your asses.
you wonder how they managed in WWI abd WW2..when you were on the front line 24/7 until you won, or died
I guess rape torture and murder take a lot out of a kid
Funeocons:
"As a parent, I have tremendous empathy for the parents in Iraq and for what they are going through. I can't even imagine it and I am so outraged by this war I feel like I will go crazy sometimes."
~thanks too for yr compassion Funeocons. That righteous indignation towards crazed warmongering is part of the solution, and as with Cindy S., it translates and transmits to others.
Upon reading your and Kathy's remarks, I got to wondering how states run by intelligent working (-class!) mothers would function, -- somehow I can't believe there would be such a pervasive lust for the obscenities of warfare. Never give up sister; even the hardest granite is eventually worn down by the steady, persistent dripping of water upon it.
Sane, compassionate women rarely wish to see the fruit of their wombs turned into mincemeat for no good reason at all, and seem to have a natural resonance with *all* mothers and kids everywhere, so likewise wouldn't wish to see the children of other nations pointlessly eviscerated on the battlefield.
Respect for life is a core value of Buddhism, --would that all the (pretend) Christians at present at large in the US might convert to Buddhism, we might end the current addiction to barbarism overnight!
Kathy writes:
"This sorry world needs all the understanding it can get, but there are many who are still in the blame and judge mode of thinking..."
Yus.
Blame seems to be a prevalent malady infecting our planet.
Just think how our world would look if we stopped BLAMING everyone else at every turn, and took up some honest *self-scrutiny* as a hobby instead...
...could be a very different world indeed!
I'm reminded of Mr Ghandi's well-known saying: "BE the change you want to see in the world."
WE WENT EAST TO CAPTURE/KILL OSAMA & DESTROY al QAIDA. WHERE ARE THEY DUMBYA? WHERE IS OSAMA,GEORGE? HINT:NOT IN IRAQ.
President Bush has a plaster bust of Winston Churchill in his office. Winston Churchill is GWBs idol.
A quote from Chrchill. ( Military men are stupid, ignorant animals to be used as pawns in war.) It appears that Bush adhears to that doctrine.
As a retired vet, two tours in S.E.Asia. I know the horrors of war firsthand, the comradship of the troops, the ignorance of the Pentagon, the terror of being fired upon and the pain of leaving a family for a year at a time.
Vietnam was a damn mess, a war we also should never had been subject to. We did our duty, there were some good days, many bad days. But it was never like what I have just read in this artilce, not for me at least.
One item we had in Vietnam that the troops fightng in Iraq do not have, is Agent Orange. They do have something far deadlier to cope with. They have depleted uranium ammunition to breathe in on a daily basis. Over time, the DU will kill them, every last one of them. They will suffer a long and slow painful existance before they die. There was a sentence in the first portion of the article that struck me with sadness.
(Lt. Clay Hann looks sick and white. Like his colleagues, he does not seem to sleep.)
Battle fatigue and non-combat troops who at times worked for thirty straight hours or more, could sleep standing on their heads and we didn't look white or sick. Radiation poisoning will do that to a person if they have inhaled enough of the deadly poison. It don't take much.
This Gulf war is so similar to Vietnam in so many ways. We had the same stress, the same worries, hidden and unexpected, explosive booby traps. It was always hot, humid, muggy and we never knew who the ememy was or where they were. I came within seconds of being killed opn three seperate occasions by Vietnamese who were on our side, at least we thought they were on our side until we found out the truth.
When given the time, we could ALWAYS sleep. Rocket attacks were so common at times, I and others didn't bother to take cover and run to a bunker, we sometimes ignored them if we were really tired, just rolled over and went back to sleep, hoping one didn't hit our hooch. And the rockets we were hit with were twenty foot long, a foot in diameter, with eight feet of HE that could wipe out an entire two story building or a chow hall. KA-BOOM! Scary.
Anyway, if any think that because a person volunteered for the service and was not drafted and therefore have no complants and deserve whatever they recieve. I will state that they are wrong. I first joined when I was 17, durng the Korean conflict. I knew that I may serve in a war zone at any time. I also knew and believed, that I was serving my country and proud to do so. I stayed in the service for 23 years, because I was performing an impotant job and did it well. I was there for my country, to insure my country's security and freedom and to defend and protect our Constitution.
I was young, proud of being a serviceman and proud of my country. I was not knowledgable of political issues. Of course, neither are most Americans, in or out of the service.
I knew with absolute certanty, my superior officers, general officers, and my president, would treat me with due respect, treat me fairly and send me no place that they were not wlling to go themselves. If I needed medical treatment, it would be the very best.
Would I feel that way now were I in the service?___ I'm not there anymore, not wearing their boots now. I would have to say if I wished to know, I would have to put down my present life and my family and follow them into Mesopotamia. Fom the statements written in this article, it does not sound as if I would care to do so and if I knew ny president was not only violating our Constitution, but spitting on it. I would be very depressed and not proud at all. I would be ashamed t be an American___ like I am now as a civilian.__ We all should be.
That's my two cents. It isn't funny either, no jokes on this one. Hi Kathy, how ya doin?
I do wonder, if much of the atrocities we read about, are not committed by the mercenaries?