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Bush, Congress Could Collide On Iran
WASHINGTON - Taking military action against Iran could put President Bush on a collision course with Congress, leading Democrats and a Republican lawmaker cautioned Friday following Bush's threat of unspecified consequences for alleged Iranian meddling in Iraq.
It's been the consensus for months among the Democrats who hold the majority that Bush must get congressional authorization before any military strike.
But the authorization would be no easy sell. Two knowledgeable U.S. officials, speaking on the condition of anonymity because intelligence on Iran is highly classified, said that the administration so far doesn't have "smoking-gun" evidence that could be used publicly to justify an air attack.
The presumed target of an attack would be camps in Iran where officials believe the Iranians are teaching Iraqi Shiite fighters how to fashion bombs that can destroy American armored vehicles.
The U.S. officials refused to discuss whether such evidence exists but can't be made public because doing so would betray intelligence sources and methods, or whether it hasn't been uncovered. Even with such evidence, however, the Democratic-controlled Congress could be hard to convince five years to the month after Vice President Dick Cheney kicked off the administration's public relations campaign against Saddam Hussein with a speech in Cincinnati.
Given the hindsight about the intelligence that led to the invasion of Iraq, "I think you'll find a lot of skeptical Republicans, no less Democrats, on the Hill," said Jim Manley, spokesman for Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev.
At a press conference Thursday, Bush warned of unspecified "consequences" if Iran's alleged interference in Iraq continues. Several administration officials said that Vice President Cheney has advocated launching air strikes against targets in Iran if there's clear evidence of Iranian support for Shiite Muslim militants in Iraq.
Sen. Kit Bond, R-Mo., the vice-chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, appeared Friday to steer the administration toward requesting authorization.
"I doubt the President could or would do so without coming to Congress," he said. "Nevertheless, there are a number of wide-ranging actions he could be taking, primarily focusing on expanding diplomatic efforts to increase pressure on Iran."
Highlighting Democratic wariness of Bush, Sen. Jim Webb of Virginia introduced a bill earlier this year that would prevent money from being used for a strike against Iran without congressional approval. Among the supporters of the bill is Reid, who's been saying for months that Bush doesn't have authority to strike Iran.
"If the opportunity arises to attach this legislation (to another bill), he would do it," said Kimberly Hunter, Webb's spokeswoman.
Should Bush simply pursue a strike against Iran without seeking congressional authorization, it would cause "an uproar over here. It would be a serious breach of (the limits on) executive power," said a military affairs aide to a Democratic senator.
Nevertheless, Bush and Vice President Cheney take a broad view of executive power, and it's unclear what consequences Bush would face if he were to take action without authorization.
Many on Capitol Hill said the reaction would depend largely on the provocation used as a rationale for an attack.
"We cannot and we must not allow recent history to repeat itself," Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-NY, said of a potential strike against Iran in a February speech, citing the distrust stemming from the administration's push for war with Iraq, which was based on exaggerated claims and faulty intelligence.
An advisor for Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.), like Clinton a candidate for the 2008 Democratic presidential nomination, called for "tough, sustained, and direct diplomacy" with Iran. "While military force must remain an option, we must combine diplomacy with an aggressive effort to implement stronger sanctions to isolate Iran," said Susan Rice, a foreign policy advisor.
In Baghdad, meanwhile, some wonder why Washington is escalating its allegations of Iranian meddling.
"They (the U.S.) want to put the blame on Iran . . . for what's happening in Iraq," said Mahmoud Othman, a Kurdish legislator," adding that the harsh rhetoric is hindering Iraq's efforts at stability. "Even Syria they don't talk much about these days."
Othman also criticized his own government's Iran policy. While Iran espouses support for Iraq's Shiite-led government, Othman said, it also helps militias that act against the government. He criticized Prime Minister Nouri al Maliki for traveling to Baghdad when his own government is in crisis.
Waleed al Hilli, a leading member of Maliki's Dawa party, said Iraq is trying to "build a bridge" between the U.S. and Iran.
"We refuse any involvement from any side about our relations with Iran or any other country," he said. "We've worked hard to avoid making Iraqi a base to attack Iran. We won't accept such a thing."
Even so, Hilli said, American accusations against Iran for supporting militiamen that attack U.S. troops are valid.
"These bombs kill their soldiers, and they have the right to defend," Hilli said.
© 2007 McClatchy Newspapers
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Show AllGiven this Congress' record, they'll vote for war in Iran, give Bush all the money he wants, name him president for life, and then help him take over the rest of the world.
Bush and the Congress fight and the people of Iraq, and maybe Iran, suffer. What a country.
Hoa binh
But the authorization would be no easy sell. Two knowledgeable U.S. officials, speaking on the condition of anonymity because intelligence on Iran is highly classified, said that the administration so far doesn't have "smoking-gun" evidence that could be used publicly to justify an air attack.
No worries, the Bush/Cheney cabal will make it up by hiring someone with that kind of expereience. Do you remember how Knowlton-Hill made up the incubator story for Bush the Elder for "Operation Desert Storm"??
Bushco will do whatever they need to do to expand their war worldwide. If Congress miraculously shows any evidence of growing an independent spine, Bushco will go ahead on any pretext they care to manufacture.
Wouldn't it be nice if there were US citizens organized to actually disrupt the war machinery on the ground here inside the USA? A massive non-violent resistance movement, motivated by the clear and present danger of an out-of-control White House? Since, you know, the fate of humanity and the Earth may actually be involved?
Anybody talking to their neighbors about getting organized for non-violent resistance? Neighborhood disaster preparation is a good way to open the conversation, since everyone has witnessed Katrina in New Orleans. Be prepared!
Bush and Congress collide on Iran?? maybe on the way to the restroom.......
Democrats in Congress will just give the Bush-Cheney Crime Syndicate another green light to attack Iran. They're complicit with everything the syndicate has done so far; why should they change now.
I'm not one to advocate violence, but since when has nonviolence worked with thugs? Nothing is going to change; they'll go ahead with their psychopathic mission to become the world's richest and most powerful rulers by killing millions and perhaps causing a nuclear holocaust.
Bush's "war czar" is already talking about a draft (so they can attack and occupy Iran).
2 scenarios. Of course the Democrats in Congress end up fully supporting and allowing the war in both. My guess is we'd see the second just because Bush\Cheney probably want to do this without authorization.
1) Bush\Cheney boldly come ask for authorization. The pundits are a bit surprised as it looks like a vote they'll lose. The Democrats make lots of noise. Bush fires up his noise chamber with lots of bloodthirsty voices calling for yet more war, death, and destruction. The Democrats call for a compromise in this time of crisis. The form of the compromise basically gives Bush everything he wants with some sort of fig leave for the Democrats. Maybe a requirement that Bush report to Congress in six months or something stupid like that. Actually, such a bill was the plan all along, and the early noise from the Democrats was just to convince the stupid people who continue to vote Democrat that the Democrats really did oppose the war they just allowed and approved.
2) Bush doesn't ask for authorization. Lots of noise from the Democrats. Lots of noise from the Bush noise chamber about the Democrats being unpatriotic because they don't openly call for more war, death and destruction. Leading Democratic voices begin to call to say that in the midst of a war is not a time for Congress to take constitutional action against a president who just launch an illegal and unauthorized war. That's the final deal as eventually the Democratic leadership in the congress won't pursue any action against the President. Again, that was the plan all the time and the early noise from the Democrats was just to try to fool the stupid people who keep voting Democrat that the Democrats don't like the actions of a president (which they basically did approve by not opposing), and that the Democrats aren't in favor of the war, death and destruction that the Democrats just approved by not taking action to stop it.
Either way, Bush\Cheney get their war, which of course turns out to be a major disaster for the US. There will be lots of stupid articles by apologists for the Democrats talking about how they are 'spineless' or they 'caved' or they 'rolled over' all written in the make believe that they really opposed this. All of these articles will somehow forget how this happens every time and focus only on how the Democrats caved in this one time. Meanwhile, contributions from the Defense industry, oil companies and AIPAC supporters to Democrats will continue their trend of increasing, and the Democrats as a whole will set new party records for fundraising.
But there's one thing for sure. Don't count on the Democrats in Congress to stop a war with Iran. If its going to be stopped, we gotta do it without them.
If Bush and the Democratic majority collide on anything it would be a first.
BE HEARD! A GENERAL STRIKE SEPT. 11th STAY HOME – BUY NOTHING
GS are effective. If you check out recent success stories of how GS have brought oppressive governments to their knees and they had to listen to the people you too would wonder why we haven't been using this tactic earlier.
Our phone calls, letters, emails, marches, protests and our votes are NOT being listened to! If enough non-essential people stay home from work to bring this country to a standstill and do not purchase anything for that one day we'd be heard.
What have we got to loss? Nothing else is working.
We can't wait till the 09' for the change.
We can't wait for prolonged investigations that are being stonewalled to get justice.
We can't wait for impeachment to be put "back on the table".
We can't wait for our so-called representatives to grow a spine.
We can't wait period! Too much time has been wasted already!
Take the day off for PEACE! Everyone, cab-drivers, bakers, bankers, sales-persons, waiters, cooks, shoemakers, city workers, state workers, lawyers, everyone, stay home, buy nothing.
Ask yourself is it worth one day out of your life to save one persons live?
Out of Iraq/Impeach NOW! SEPT. 11th GENERAL STRIKE! SPREAD THE WORD!
http://liberalpro.blogspot.com/2007/08/general-strike-91107.html
Oh no! It's a real-life demonstration of the ancient conundrum of the consequences of a collision between the Irresistible Force and the Movable Object!
"could" collide on Iran, eh?
A beautiful 1965 Toronado "could" fall out of the sky and land in my front yard undamaged.
Dick Cheney "could" run a marathon and weep with remorse about all the people he has indirectly killed or injured.
Sentimental Journey "could" be number one on the rap charts tomorrow.
What is the likelihood?
Bush, Congress Could Collide On Iran? What drugs are you on Matt Stearns? The Dems' koolaid?
Congress will be in lockstep behind Dictator Bush.
About 2-3 months ago, Pelosi and others removed language from a House Resolution bill requiring Dictator Bush to get congressional approval before attacking Iran. So they have already given him the go-ahead. About 2 weeks ago, the Senate voted 97-0 for the go-ahead for Iran as well from what I've read.
As for pro-war Hillary, she has already said Bush has been too soft on Iran.
Have no fears. Bush and his congress will gleefully waltz their way across Iran and beyond and we'll be left with the bill.
The greatest threat to this nation is the rank cowardice of the Democratic party. In the 40s and 50s, it was beaten into line by the Republican charge that it was soft on Communism. Now it is scared to death that it will be perceived as soft on terrorism. Bush can go to Congress tomorrow and get his authorization to attack Iran because the Republicans are scared to death of Cheney and the Democrats are scared period.
If the Democratic party was a family pet, it would be a prime candidate for euthanization.
The key word in the title of this article is,__ COULD.
Uh-huh and congress "could" impeach Cheney and Bush and congress "could" do a lot of good things. And congress could take long vacation and hawk their personalities to raise money for their next campaign. Could congress do that, beg for money? Ha Ha Ha,___ That is their primary objective.
Will Bush/Cheney authorize the bombing of Iran no matter what congress does or does not? I believe they will.
Ah well ... remember history ... first it was Poland ....
More inconvenient truth for the blood-thirsty American dogs of war:
Last Sunday:
"...Afghan President Hamid Karzai ... expected to act as a puppet of the Bush administration... described Iran as a positive player -- "a helper and a solution" -- in the region... On Iran's positive role in the region, Bush again told Karzai not to believe his own experience but instead to accept the neoconservative version of events.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/thenation/20070806/cm_thenation/15220487
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In an interview broadcast yesterday [Sunday Aug 5] on CNN, Mr Karzai appeared to turn back US allegations that Iranian arms were helping to erode the security situation in Afghanistan.
"So far, Iran has been a helper and a solution," he said of Afghanistan's powerful neighbour to the west.
"Iran has been a supporter of Afghanistan, in the peace process that we have and the fight against terror and the fight against narcotics in Afghanistan."
Mr Karzai said Afghanistan and Iran had "very, very good, very, very close relations ... We will continue to have good relations with Iran. We will continue to resolve issues, if any arise."
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,22199910-15084,00.html
Congress is far more likely to collude than collide with bush.
Invading Iran now would cost far more lives and injuries than our Iraqi misadventure. As has been the case with Iraq, Osama could not plan a better strategy for the Al Queda. This administration has blamed our difficulties in Iraq on bad intelligence–when in fact it was quite good had they not used only the information they wanted, and then misinterpreted it.
Americans must realize that our problems with Iran still stem from our removal of an elected leader, Mohhamad Mosaddeq, in 1953--and then propping up the Shaw who was not respected by the masses. Until we live up to that reality, any improvement in relations with Iran will be slow & difficult.
So I'm reading the Harry Potter book now (still have a few hundred pages to go), and I'm starting to wonder.....
Is Voldemort in control of DC? Honestly?
Plus, was anyone there when "PP" Pelosi & spouse and George + Laura sat at the table a few days ago. What was discussed? Was it a big party? Did all have a big laugh? Did George tell a few jokes? Did Nancy and Barbara reminisce? I want to know.
I sort of feel like a "Native American" (lets say from the 1830's or therabouts) - disregarded in all ways. Not even deemed a person. Herded like on the "Trail of Tears". There is too much dam "texas ambition" going on in DC. In the white house. In congress.
I'll say it again - tell me if you disagree:
Karma runs deep, swift, complete - Karma will wrap around
Karma will wreck ruthless havoc on those who cause suffering of innocence....
Peace for those who want Peace,
Ken Hausle
Bush speaks form the high ground because he hasn't meddled in Iraq. The neo-cons' lies are so obvious and their thinking so obviously muddled it astounds me that anyone ever believes them. Yet, often even a majority of Americans seem to believe them.
Here it comes.. Bush Prez 4-ever as war with Iran could spell an extended presidency- and just get ready for the clampdown. It's a comin'.
Commondreamers, democrats, liberals and all others...It's clear now that we will be at war before the sept. 11th general strike occurs, and yes congress will overwhelmingly approve the actions of Bush/Cheney corperation.
One of two events will justify strikes, or an invasion of Iran- 1- A staged "Gulf of Tonkin" incident (which of course itself was staged).
2-A False Flag operation here in the states.
Either way, it will be a concocted and manufactured war. The admin has no evidence. Yet in either case, the war is inevitable; If you haven't seen it yet, go youtube Cheney's interview with Larry King, specifically when King asks Cheney "Are you going planning to strike Iran?" Cheney, looking like he's never played poker, blinks, glances down and, what really irritates me, grins and laughs. You bet your ass they're going into Iran.
Sorry to say, but don't think you can stop it either. Get ready for one hell of a ride though. Worst case is martial law is declared here in the states, and then shit will really his the fan.
As far as the Dems are concerned, yes they will be complicit and approving of all this... Hillary, Obama, Edwards, their strategies thus far have been to talk, act, and look tough enough on the issue of terrorism- Their plan is that the ammount of independent voters they lure away will be greater than the ammount of liberals/progressives who are fed up with their party, can't take anymore of the dems nonsense and vote independent, republican or not at all in 2008.
And their strategy will probably work too, they probably are going to get enough braindead "moderates" to vote for their imperial presidencies. That's why I, and I strongly encourage my progressive/liberal friends not to cast a vote for a democrat in 2008. The party is broken, and is the same as the imperial/fascist republican party. Any Hillary or Obama administration will be as secrative, unaccountable, war mongering as the present administration (though Bush/Cheney corperation is hard to top). The goal of the liberal/progressive "non-vote" (vote for anything other than Democrat) will force the party to look itself in the mirror, so to speak- it will force them to stop catering to imperialism, corruption, corperations etc.
Meanwhile, the corrupt government will be run by republicans. I know this seems like a counter-intuitive strategy, but consider the fact that we're going to be an imperial police state under martial law by 2010. We might as well get it on the history books that it was the Neocons-Republicans who were ultimately responsible for the downfall of America, and the great depression that ensues from the corperate government's imperial ambitions.
"Should Bush simply pursue a strike against Iran without seeking congressional authorization, it would cause 'an uproar over here. It would be a serious breach of (the limits on) executive power,' said a military affairs aide to a Democratic senator."
An uproar. Oh dear. Serious breach. Oh my. Are there more than a serious handful of us who understand what we're dealing with here? I really wonder.
The sad thing is, I don't think anyone truly believes these lies so much as that they're just resigned to let the shit keep rolling since it has the momentum. Well, turn up the pain, cuz the comfortable in this country are still waaaaaay too comfortable to demand change, never mind implement it. Maybe a draft is coming - that should help. Reason doesn't appear to help.
RE: IRAN - CONGRESS TO SWALLOW SAME CRAP TWICE?
erma August 11th, 2007 2:57 pm
"Pelosi and others removed language from a House Resolution bill requiring Dictator Bush to get congressional approval before attacking Iran. So they have already given him the go-ahead. About 2 weeks ago, the Senate voted 97-0 for the go-ahead for Iran as well"
1) TO MY KNOWLEDGE, WEBB'S 'CONGRESSIONAL APPROVAL' LANGUAGE RE IRAN WAS REMOVED:
http://www.peace-action.org/Iran/legislation.html
"On March 5, 2007, Senator Jim Webb introduced S. 759, a bill to prohibit the use of funds for military operations in Iran without the express consent of Congress."
"Dems Divided over Webb's Proposal Requiring Approval for Attacking Iran"http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/04/18/601/
2) READERS MAY FIND THESE LINKS USEFUL:
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/15/brownback-attack-iran/
"On Heels Of Senate's Iran Vote, Brownback Declared I'm Ready To Strike Iran"
http://cernigsnewshog.blogspot.com/2007/07/97-sheeple-in-big-room.html
THE NEWSHOGGERS
Thursday, July 12, 2007
"97 Sheeple In A Big Room"
http://kucinich.house.gov/News/DocumentSingle.aspx?DocumentID=70545
"Kucinich Stands Against Drumbeat of War Targeting Iran"
RE: IRAN - CONGRESS TO SWALLOW SAME CRAP TWICE?
erma August 11th, 2007 2:57 pm
"Pelosi and others removed language from a House Resolution bill requiring Dictator Bush to get congressional approval before attacking Iran. So they have already given him the go-ahead. About 2 weeks ago, the Senate voted 97-0 for the go-ahead for Iran as well"
1) TO MY KNOWLEDGE, WEBB'S 'CONGRESSIONAL APPROVAL' LANGUAGE RE IRAN WAS REMOVED:
"On March 5, 2007, Senator Jim Webb introduced S. 759, a bill to prohibit the use of funds for military operations in Iran without the express consent of Congress."
http://www.peace-action.org/Iran/legislation.html
"Dems Divided over Webb's Proposal Requiring Approval for Attacking
http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/04/18/601/
2) ON THE 97-0 CONGRESSIONAL VOTE, READERS MAY FIND THESE LINKS USEFUL:
"On Heels Of Senate's Iran Vote, Brownback Declared I'm Ready To Strike Iran"
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/15/brownback-attack-iran/
THE NEWSHOGGERS
Thursday, July 12, 2007
"97 Sheeple In A Big Room"
http://cernigsnewshog.blogspot.com/2007/07/97-sheeple-in-big-room.html
"Kucinich Stands Against Drumbeat of War Targeting Iran"
http://kucinich.house.gov/News/DocumentSingle.aspx?DocumentID=70545
Shame on everyone too not voting for Kucinich, the only true trustworthy non-corperate representative. Why!? Because he's not a charismatic woman like Hillary and, too short compared with Obama? Shame on all of us for judging canidates based on bullshit, irrelevent superficial traits.
The aggression lacks public authorization.
Nonviolent mass action is the way forward. Maybe a good book:
On Strategic Nonviolent Conflict
http://www.aeinstein.org/organizations1c31.html
rtdrury: thank-you for that link. I downloaded the document and plan on reading it (along with Harry Potter !)
Peace for those who want Peace,
Ken Hausle
"The aggression lacks public authorization."
And this has stopped the Corperate Oligarchy before???
We have illegally invaded Iraq, killed half a million civilians, destroyed the country so that it will never be put back together again and the population HATE US. What does Bush, Cheney, Lieberman, Guilliani, McCain and others expect to win by staying the course? What course? Lets forget recapturing our pride and making up for Vietnam. WE HAVE already LOST THIS WAR.
The resistance fighters in Iraq are getting their weapons from the US arsenal plus friendly countries that share their hatred for a criminal gang of invaders. For the sake of argument maybe US intelligence will actually establish that Iran is helping Iraq to fight a common criminal action in the region. Why shouldn't they? What's illogical about this? We have three choices: we can quit now and go home because we have clearly lost; we can carry on in this quagmire as more weapons are acquired by Iraq's resistance fighters, or we can go in and start a war in Iran and possibly Syria while we are at it.
We have already lost in Iraq and are we serious about taking on Iran and the rest of the Middle East? What do we expect to win? Populations who detest us crushed by our awesome military superiority and controlled by a US style Gestapo and additional Guantanamo prisons? The population of Iran is much bigger than Iraq, 65 million vs 23 million (excludes the 4 million who have fled the country), almost three times the size - so maybe 10,000 more US soldiers will die and with about two million Iranian civilian deaths and a perpetual policing action. If we don't like this equation we'll go nuclear.
Bush and Cheney criminally cooked up a set of lies to drag a naive public into supporting this disastrous war. It was going to be a cake walk with flowers thrown at our feet. The US is being led by fools and liars and the world may be facing a holocaust and economic ruin if they aren't removed from office. What's the alternative to impeaching them now? We are running out of time.
RE: IRAQ LIES AND BUSH ASSLICKS
canquest August 11th, 2007 6:19 pm
"Bush and Cheney criminally cooked up a set of lies to drag a naive public into supporting this disastrous war."
Good post - let's not leave out the cowardly corporate media that made fraudulent allegations of wmd's and al-q links the consensus.
Also, re the "naive public" - I think only some of the electorate was naive: others were bullied into assenting to this; and a lot of the right wing rank and file endorsed it w/o question as - like McCarthyist anti-communism - an instrument to advance a right wing domestic agenda and shut up political opposition.
"It was going to be a cake walk with flowers thrown at our feet."
So they said - but that was always 'Plan B,' the fig leaf of morality, imo - fear and lies re the bogus threat were instrumental.
The mainstream media to the rescue!
They will report a concocted "smoking gun" incident, just as Goebbels did to "justify" the attack on Poland, September 1, 1939, which started WW-II. And also, just as our "newspapers of record," The New York Times and the Washington Post, published Administration falsehoods to justify the Iraq war.
And once again, the Democrats and the public will buy it.
As WiIliam Shirer reported in "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich:"
"In Berlin ... a foreign observer could watch the way the press, under Goebbels' expert direction, was swindling the gullible Germon people. For six years, since the Nazi "coordination" of the daily newspapers, which had meant the destruction of a free press, the citizens had been cut off from the truth of what was going on in the world... (563)
"... I picked up the sunday edition (august 27) of the Voelkischer Beobachter. Across the whole top of the fron page were inch-high headlines:
WHOLE OF POLAND IN WAR FEVER! 1,500,000 MEN MOBILIZED! UNINTERRRUPTED TROOP TRANSPORT THE FRONTIER..." (564)
Plus ca change, plus la meme chose.
I can't advance the discussion here, much less imagine a silver lining. But I'm struck again by how the Democrats can be read either as "spineless", "weak", etc., or be read as passive but complicit enablers. FWIW, I incline more and more to the latter view.
It just seems to me that the political class has abandoned a concept of at least occasionally acting out of high principles and ethics, and constitutional duty, in favor of practicing "the art of the possible" at its lowest common denominator to keep the business of Congress moving. Politics is all-- an end instead of a means to an end.
Of course congressional business needs to keep moving-- because, like sharks, legislators need to keep moving and will die if they stop. So we constantly see the path of least resistance taken by the Democrats, from the infamous Gang of Fourteen to the present. There are occasional stunts or set pieces put forth to show good faith and encourage continued support and confidence.
It's impossible to know for sure, but I don't trust claims that Democrats are burning, or even itching, to confront and oppose the hydra-headed toxic policies of the ruling criminal cabal. When John Nichols wrote recently that John Conyers would love to impeach Bush, I demurred.
I think the Democratic leadership came to a consensus after the 2006 elections that they would forego direct opposition to the regime, and instead pacify voters with helpful legislation and by shadow-boxing with the more egregious escapades of the maladministration. With every appearance of seriousness and purpose, committee chairmen can stage events with the usual opportunities for performing. Stories will continue to pour forth about the malfeasance and destruction wrought by the maladministration. But it seems obvious by now that it won't go anywhere. Still, the blogosphere will bubble about this senator's sharp questioning, or that bit of damning revelation.
I don't know if individuals like John Conyers have been muzzled or are duplicitous. I had a high opinion of him formerly, but I don't trust him any more. Or any of his colleagues, excepting a few like Kucinich. Even Barney Frank prefers to do some useful deals rather than get all knotted up in pesky principle.
It's infuriating to think that the Democrats are simply rope-a-doping until next year, so that they can score the big knockout. The fact that they willfully countenance the wanton depredations of the Executive Branch warlords, and not only tolerate, but promote, an intolerable status quo for future political power is reprehensible. The impossibly patronizing attitude that We the People should defer to the acquiescent/complicit Democrats and look to them for rescue and relief is fraught with irony. And that's the best one can say about it.
I hope I'm underestimating the Democrats, especially since we may very well invade Iran.
Is commondreams trying to insult our intelligence with this article???? I mean really, the verdict is obviously in and congress is a bunch of hypocrites and if you're holding your breath you may as well exhale. Perhaps "inhaling" would be a good idea about now to numb the pain. . .nothin else works.
Although in principle I agree on the concept of Karma, It's taken over 200 years for what goes around to come around regarding first peoples, "native americans." So maybe counting on karma to straighten out the situation isn't efficacious. On the other hand, given that we live in a fantasy wonderland bordering the insane, people doped up on all kinds of medication and delusions, maybe Karma will be quick? You never know.
the times they are a changing. all bush is saying, is give war a chance. . .
lunacy.
Bush, Congress Could Collide On Iran. Change that to Bush, Congress Should Collide On Iran. Like Hitler, Bush won't know when to stop.
Start contacting House members and tell them to cosponsor House res. 333(Cheney impeachment). 1-800-828-0498 M-F 9am-6pm EST. Aides are answering the phones during the recess.
This is probably the one way to stop the various scenarios described in other messages posted here.
Without a draft war with iran seems unlikely, though with cheney in charge ...who knows? With bush/cheney as president, we see they stick to their original plan (the only planning they actually did it appears) which was to go from iraq into iran. But four and a half years of war has a limit...the endurance of the men. Bush and co. want war with iran. Give the neocons (cheney)a draft and we remove the only real block to that new war. It is not an easy sell though. So congress does the dance for our benefit while they try to figure out how to do it without facing a terrible backlash in this country. We are sick of this war. America wanted to get our attacker but we were lied to so that bush and congress could do something else. The PLAN was always IRAN.
Was that a misprint in the title? Surely it was supposed to say, "Bush, Congress Will COLLUDE On Iran." Or they could stand up and do their job for the first time in six years... just kidding... They'll do what their told, same old same old, and we'll pay the price... with what little we got left.
"Two knowledgeable U.S. officials, speaking on the condition of anonymity because intelligence on Iran is highly classified, said that the administration so far doesn't have "smoking-gun" evidence that could be used publicly to justify an air attack."
DO NOT ACCEPT THE SET OF ASSUMPTIONS IMPLIED IN THIS ARTICLE AND IN THE RHETORIC OF THE "EXPERTS" AND DEMOCRATS.
EVIDENCE OF IRANIAN AID IS IRRELEVANT.
The Democrats, as well as the media, are playing into the Bush administration's hands by ACCEPTING THE PREMISE that IF there WERE evidence, a strike is JUSTIFIED. Therefore, they are implicitly AUTHORIZING a strike against Iran. Getting "smoking gun" evidence is a SIMPLE task.
I repeat, whether or not Iran is involved in any way is irrelevant. IT DOES NOT MATTER. This war is an ILLEGAL act of AGGRESSION against a people who posed NO THREAT to the UNITED STATES. Defensive actions against U. S. troops, aided by whomever, is entirely WARRANTED.
Not as long as DEM jackasses in CONgress are satellites of Big Brother Bush.
Lushy; Your 5:11pm response to my 4:57pm posting :
You allegations, that my postings reflect naivete & shrillness, would be more meaningful if you had based your comments on relevant history and events.
Such disregard for these critical matters echo the tactics used by this administration--and see where it got us.
Was it not so long ago that Zbig said: "some provocation in Iraq or a terrorist act in the U.S. blamed on Iran; culminating in a 'defensive' U.S. military action against Iran that plunges a lonely America into a spreading and deepening quagmire eventually ranging across Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, and Pakistan."
http://www.counterpunch.org/roberts02102007.html
The likelihood of our invasion of Iran goes up with the likelihood of a pro-neocon candidate receiving the Republican nomination for president. I doubt that they are all that interested in only doing airstrikes, except maybe to prove that they are in fact doing something. They want another invasion with the subsequent burst of patriotism to keep the neocons in power for another four years. After all, "we can't switch riders mid race."
Cheney likely believes, that because Isreal bombed the Iran nuclear plant previously and there were no reprocussions, that it can be done again and no one will react. If he is thinking that, he really is an idiot.
Since Iran has now buried their sites, it will be necessary, (according to the news casters I've heard discuss the issue), to use tactical nukes to do extensive damage. That is how this man thinks and does not have a clue of military strategy or obvioulsy much of anthing else. If we bomb Iran and especially use any nuclear weapons, it will be disasterious for the United States. Of course, we little, left winging swine, shouldn't be so bold, as to express our harmful opinions.
Amazing, after post after post that correctly realizes that congress is colluding with the president, someone writes that we should all call our congress critters and nicely ask them to support the impeach cheney bill. Ha! LOL! That's a good funny. The only affect your call might have is that it might provide some amusement to the congress critters staffers that answer the phone.
Don't you get it? Congress doesn't care what you think. 70% of Americans oppose the Irag war. 70% of Americans say Bush is doing an awful job. What does Congress do? They give Bush all the money he wants to fight the war. Something like 50% of Americans say that if Bush illegally spied on Americans, then he should be impeached. What does Congress do? They legalize the spying for Bush! Don't you get it? Your congress critter does not care what you think. They only have someone answering the phone because its expected. But do you really think some breathless staffer is going to run into the congress critters office and say "we've gotten 10 calls this morning asking us to impeach Cheney." And the congress critter is going to say "wow, that's incredible. Lets ignore what the people who've given us millions of dollars think and start this impeachment right now."
If you are under any illusions that the Democrats in congress are going to stop anything or change anything, please wake up.
Where do you draw the line between "intellectual dissident" and "revolutionary?"
I called 5 of the critters last week, including Conyers and Pelosi. Pelosi, who apparently doesn't have time to listen to her constituents, had a pre-recorded message that put me through to a voice message box. It was dehumanizing. I had wanted to discuss the reasoning behind her lack of movement on anything remotely challenging to the administration.
Conyer's staffer said that they didn't have the votes to support impeachment, so HR 333 is not something he's going to move on, even if it's about upholding the Constitution rather than doing what's expedient. He also told me that money and lobbying are not a problem for a democracy because lobbyists represent corporations, and corporations employ Americans. I disagreed with that. I told him that corporations want to do everything they can to increase profits to shareholders and they couldn't give a rat's behind about their employees; hence corporate support for NAFTA and GATT, which give corporations complete freedom to dump employees in any country they operate in and set up shop in another continent with minimal taxes or worker protections. The staffer continued to argue that supporting employers is supporting employees, and that Conyers frequently votes against CAFE standards and other bills that "harm" the Big Three because Detroit car manufacturers employ Americans. What friggin' BS. He might as well have been reading from a PR firm's talking points card.
I think that calling/writing once in a while is worth the time, even if all it does is maintain the illusion that we live in a functioning democracy. I don't think the calls and letters have absolutely zero value. You have to at least be able to say you TRIED democratic, non-violent methods to effect change.
What's this about a General Strike September 10 and 11? That could be helpful. It would be much better than doing nothing. It would be good to see 10 million people clog DC for three months. It might get impeachment back on the table.
One more thing. Can you believe that the Conyers aide told me that Conyers shares the opinion that is a broadly held in Congress that the people who protest in DC "don't represent most Americans?" I asked him, "So Congress can dismiss these protests?" To which he said, "Pretty much, yes, because they're not people from our district."
If strikes and protests don't work anymore, we've entered America's political twilight indeed.
Fantastic post, Little Brother! I agree with what you said:
"the Democrats [are] complicit enablers."
"It just seems to me that the political class has abandoned a concept of at least occasionally acting out of high principles and ethics"
" There are occasional stunts or set pieces put forth to show good faith and encourage continued support and confidence."
"I don't trust claims that Democrats are burning, or even itching, to confront and oppose the hydra-headed toxic policies of the ruling criminal cabal. When John Nichols wrote recently that John Conyers would love to impeach Bush, I demurred."
"I think the Democratic leadership came to a consensus after the 2006 elections that they would forego direct opposition to the regime, and instead pacify voters with helpful legislation and by shadow-boxing with the more egregious escapades of the maladministration. With every appearance of seriousness and purpose, committee chairmen can stage events with the usual opportunities for performing. Stories will continue to pour forth about the malfeasance and destruction wrought by the maladministration. But it seems obvious by now that it won't go anywhere. Still, the blogosphere will bubble about this senator's sharp questioning, or that bit of damning revelation."
"I don't know if individuals like John Conyers have been muzzled or are duplicitous. I had a high opinion of him formerly, but I don't trust him any more."
"The fact that they willfully countenance the wanton depredations of the Executive Branch warlords, and not only tolerate, but promote, an intolerable status quo for future political power is reprehensible. The impossibly patronizing attitude that We the People should defer to the acquiescent/complicit Democrats and look to them for rescue and relief is fraught with irony. And that's the best one can say about it."
I can't add any more to that. Thanks for sharing your outrage with such wit and intelligence.
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COMarc August 11th, 2007 11:18 pm
Amazing, after post after post that correctly realizes that congress is colluding with the president [sic], someone writes that we should all call our congress critters and nicely ask them to support the impeach cheney bill. Ha! LOL! That's a good funny. The only affect your call might have is that it might provide some amusement to the congress critters staffers that answer the phone.
Don't you get it? Congress doesn't care what you think.
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Tell me about it! I get so tired of reading that drivel urging people to call these useless and worthless scum in congress. As I have also said, they don't give a damn what we think despite occasionally posturing/theatre to the contrary. The pro-Bush trash in congress listen ONLY to the Bush Crime Family. Period. One would think people would understand that by now, but some people are pretty thick. Most people on here do understand it judging by the posts. But for those who don't, don't tell me to call these scum of the earth people in congress or sign some waste-of-time petition because I'm not about to. Pssssssssssst: They don't care about your little petition either. Get a clue!
We are way past calling these Bush-Enablers or signing waste-of-time petitions. Pre-2000 ("politics as usual") they **may** have cared what we think. Today, in the Bush Dictatorship they don't need to care and they don't. Period.
And if you STILL think they do care, you're STILL drinking the Dems' intoxicating koolaid with its side effects of delusions, wishful-thinking and false-hope.
COMark and Erma. Hate to say you are correct,___ but you are absolutely correct. Thought I might join you for the blasts you might get. The thing we should be saying now, is how do we get Conyers to act. He's the guy who is realy screwing us now.
someone call Robert E Murry and tell him to foreget those coal miners and bring his drills to Washington...
...I predict another major Democrat cave-in