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In September 1998, the collapse of Long Term Capital Management, a giant hedge fund, led to a meltdown in the financial markets similar, in some ways, to what's happening now. During the crisis in '98, I attended a closed-door briefing given by a senior Federal Reserve official, who laid out the grim state of the markets. "What can we do about it?" asked one participant. "Pray," replied the Fed official.
Our prayers were answered. The Fed coordinated a rescue for L.T.C.M., while Robert Rubin, the Treasury secretary at the time, and Alan Greenspan, who was the Fed chairman, assured investors that everything would be all right. And the panic subsided.
Yesterday, President Bush, showing off his M.B.A. vocabulary, similarly tried to reassure the markets. But Mr. Bush is, let's say, a bit lacking in credibility. On the other hand, it's not clear that anyone could do the trick: right now we're suffering from a serious shortage of saviors. And that's too bad, because we might need one.
What's been happening in financial markets over the past few days is something that truly scares monetary economists: liquidity has dried up. That is, markets in stuff that is normally traded all the time - in particular, financial instruments backed by home mortgages - have shut down because there are no buyers.
This could turn out to be nothing more than a brief scare. At worst, however, it could cause a chain reaction of debt defaults.
The origins of the current crunch lie in the financial follies of the last few years, which in retrospect were as irrational as the dot-com mania. The housing bubble was only part of it; across the board, people began acting as if risk had disappeared.
Everyone knows now about the explosion in subprime loans, which allowed people without the usual financial qualifications to buy houses, and the eagerness with which investors bought securities backed by these loans. But investors also snapped up high-yield corporate debt, a k a junk bonds, driving the spread between junk bond yields and U.S. Treasuries down to record lows.
Then reality hit - not all at once, but in a series of blows. First, the housing bubble popped. Then subprime melted down. Then there was a surge in investor nervousness about junk bonds: two months ago the yield on corporate bonds rated B was only 2.45 percent higher than that on government bonds; now the spread is well over 4 percent.
Investors were rattled recently when the subprime meltdown caused the collapse of two hedge funds operated by Bear Stearns, the investment bank. Since then, markets have been manic-depressive, with triple-digit gains or losses in the Dow Jones industrial average - the rule rather than the exception for the past two weeks.
But yesterday's announcement by BNP Paribas, a large French bank, that it was suspending the operations of three of its own funds was, if anything, the most ominous news yet. The suspension was necessary, the bank said, because of "the complete evaporation of liquidity in certain market segments" - that is, there are no buyers.
When liquidity dries up, as I said, it can produce a chain reaction of defaults. Financial institution A can't sell its mortgage-backed securities, so it can't raise enough cash to make the payment it owes to institution B, which then doesn't have the cash to pay institution C - and those who do have cash sit on it, because they don't trust anyone else to repay a loan, which makes things even worse.
And here's the truly scary thing about liquidity crises: it's very hard for policy makers to do anything about them.
The Fed normally responds to economic problems by cutting interest rates - and as of yesterday morning the futures markets put the probability of a rate cut by the Fed before the end of next month at almost 100 percent. It can also lend money to banks that are short of cash: yesterday the European Central Bank, the Fed's trans-Atlantic counterpart, lent banks $130 billion, saying that it would provide unlimited cash if necessary, and the Fed pumped in $24 billion.
But when liquidity dries up, the normal tools of policy lose much of their effectiveness. Reducing the cost of money doesn't do much for borrowers if nobody is willing to make loans. Ensuring that banks have plenty of cash doesn't do much if the cash stays in the banks' vaults.
There are other, more exotic things the Fed and, more important, the executive branch of the U.S. government could do to contain the crisis if the standard policies don't work. But for a variety of reasons, not least the current administration's record of incompetence, we'd really rather not go there.
Let's hope, then, that this crisis blows over as quickly as that of 1998. But I wouldn't count on it. Paul Krugman is Professor of Economics at Princeton University and a regular New York Times columnist. His most recent book is The Great Unraveling: Losing Our Way in the New Century.
© 2007 The New York Times



82 Comments so far
Show AllSo after all the billions of intervention today the slide moderated. The next question is: Will this bring people back into the market or will it convince even more to cash in before another big "correction"?
The title of the article is___ '"VERY" Scary Things', withh the emphasis on the word VERY.
Indeed, and the final sentence in the article is perhaps the most appropriate.
'Let us "HOPE", then, that this crisis blows over as quickly as that of 1988,___ but I wouldn't count on it.'
Those two words, (VERY and HOPE), each stand out like red flags in a bull ring. When one considers the author of this article is a professor of economics at Princeton University, I do believe we may have reached the breaking point with the financial mess Bush has merrily driven us into and are now on the brink of tumbling into a depression.
Not my opinion, I'm an idiot on the subject of, The Theory Of Economics. I have to trust the good judgment of the professors and Wall Street analysists who argue the issues. I'm going with Mr, Krugman this time.___ Pleh, pleh!! Sorry,___ I write and speak backwards when I'm VERY scared.
Man. It's scary. Should I sell all my stocks now and just put them in an ING account?
Cash them in and buy a ton of beans and rice and some corn meal. Find a warm cave in the mountains and wait for the smoke to clear. Take some aspirin and some plastic sheeting to condense water too. You might survive.
Former Fed chairman William McChesney Martin once described cutting interest rates as "like pushing on a string." In other words, rate cuts are ineffective when there are no buyers.
The answer to this problem is simple, as it always is, in the land of the tooth fairy: Buy duct tape & plastic sheeting.
There, it's fixed!
hubcab_halo;
I sold everything and opened an ING account almost two years ago. Yeah, I missed the last 1500 pt. ride in the market, but you never know when the bottom is going to fall out. I also feel better knowing my money is not helping Wal-Mart, GE, General Dynamics, etc. Now, just find an environmentally aware community that might be able to survive the coming collapse of everything we have known. Start at the Fellowship of Intentional Communities "www.ic.org". Good luck to all of us who know what is coming. We probably won't be able to convince our co-workers, friends and loved ones the truth of what is happening, let alone get them to join us, but we can be the ones to survive.
I must have missed something here. A bunch of capitalists are about to lose a pile of money because they bet wrong on the markets and the government is unable to bail them out. I thought that was how the system was supposed to work.
'Former Fed chairman William McChesney Martin once described cutting interest rates as "like pushing on a string." In other words, rate cuts are ineffective when there are no buyers.'
I think the "you can't push on a string" metaphor was from John Maynard Keynes.
To really understand our monetary situation you must see "The Money Masters" http://www.themoneymasters.com/
This non-fiction documentary explains where our money came from and the many wars that were fought by the international banking community in their attempt to control the world today.
The numerous quotes from many of our past presidents are enough to make anyone take note that we were duly warned about what is surely to come in the near future: another depression; the likes of which we could never imagine. Plain and simple, this documentary explains how the banking community controls ALL the world's governments. Remember Roosevelt said: "In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, you can bet it was planned that way." I don't know how to protect my money, but I'll listen to any advice after you've watched this movie. Right now, stocking up on canned food and lots of water is a good idea. Oh, and finding a cave might be very good advice indeed.
An economic "adjustment" may be just what is needed to wake up the sleeping masses. The news media hasn't informed Joe six-pack of the dollar's devaluation around the world vis a vis the Euro, Yen and Pound. The media hasn't reported on our utter reliance on China to buy our securities - i.e. finance our government. We've been in this pot of boiling water for so long we don't realize how hot it truly is.
The worse, the better. C'mon Dow! (or will it soon the Rupert?) Down, down down!
Yes, Ill. Ind., we are frogs sitting in gradually heating water, and will certainly cook. The only people who stand to gain at the moment are the Zionists who have quietly garnered at least 40% of the gold reserves in the world. Laila Selk's quote of Roosevelt is sooo appropriate,
"...nothing happens by accident. If it happens, you can bet it was planned that way".
The only thing I see preventing a nuclear detonation in NYC, or the Chinese calling in all the loans they have made us because of this stupid war, is they realize the collapse of world financial markets caused by either of those two events would initiate a worldwide depression that would affect (read seriously hurt here) EVERYONE, (except perhaps Kem & Laila hiding in their cave defending their bags of beans & rice).
Paul Krugman was one of the earliest in the MSM to sound the alarm over the right-wing radical nature of the Bush regime, and he has never been a friend of the global anti-corporate movement named "globalism" by the PR firms hired to sanitize it.
"I've been waiting for years to find out what will happen when the Boomers are faced with the horrors of actually preparing the soil, carying the water, and pulling the weeds that must be pulled, hauled and hoed before the stuff is ready to eat."
The end of the consumptive lifestyle isn't equivalent to reduction to an agrarian one.
Paul, I don't entirely agree that this will hurt EVERYONE. Globalists with high euro liquidity are just itching to come in and walk away with everything in the USA for ten cents on the dollar, just as the vultures did in the USSR. Just watch, that's why they have engineered this cheneybushslut economic collapse...
"The Fed coordinated a rescue for L.T.C.M"
Wonder how much that one cost us?
P.S......and, they have engineered this state of affairs with the full cooperation of cheneybushsluts. Talk about treason, wow.
All financial booms and busts are engineered by the Wall St money power, for their benefit. Markets are pumped up by the analysts, and the public is induced to buy stocks. After the insiders have sold out, the market is pumped up even more, then crashed intentionally. Joe Six Pack loses his shirt, and the insider vultures come back in and buy assets at pennies on the dollar. That's how it works. The rich never lose. The keep getting richer off the backs of the rest of us.
Whe the US Government defaults to China, and China breaks up the country to sell it off in parts to recoup, I'm planning on buying Texas cheap, and reselling it back to the Mexicans for a tidy profit.
Its one way to get rid of Bush.
We have the great decider pontificating about how good the economy is, but this has been a credit card economy. The Munitions companies are doing phenomenally well with all the no-bid contracts they are being awarded, BUT it is all being paid for with China's credit card.
What happens when we get the bill at the end of the month and realize we do not have the money to pay for this robust economy? The market crashes.
Give your child a credit card and tell them they can buy whatever they want. Your child will tell you that things are great and they are doing very well thank you.
They have a new large flat screen TV in the media room a brand new BMW convertible and the vacation to Monaco was spectacular. According to them the economy is doing fine. The stock market just got the bill for the wild spending your kids were doing with the credit card and now everyone finally realizes there is no money in the bank to pay it. This is the fantastic economy W has given us.
Now that you've read Krugman, read about how China has leverage over the US dollar: http://counterpunch.org/roberts08102007.html
If the US continues to antagonize China we could find our economy rapidly swirling the toilet bowl.
Some great humor up there, hope we can still laugh when it happens. Again, anyone who thinks a depression will be funny, has a hidden cave and a ten year stock of beer, chocolates, vodka, beans and rice and good company. A mate who has lost their sense of smell.
Sorry, it will not be funny, it will be like the gates of hell were opened.___ We'll see.
nickhart:
EXCEPT if cheneybushsluts attack China. Or maybe if they establish the new Amero in place of the US dollar: all debts wiped away with the stroke of a pen.
Not to worry.. the Amero is coming to save us all. Dollars are so 2007.
"Cash them in and buy a ton of beans and rice and some corn meal. Find a warm cave in the mountains and wait for the smoke to clear. Take some aspirin and some plastic sheeting to condense water too. You might survive."
I'm getting cigarettes, chocolate, and coffee... none of which I use, but I know that those addictive items are gonna be selling really high when the crash comes.
"Reducing the cost of money doesn't do much for borrowers if nobody is willing to make loans..."
This is what some economists refer to as "pushing a rope". You can pull one, but pushing one is futile. If things are not demand driven based on sound expectations of the future, you are only hoping.
Very ominous indeed. Did not really ever think I would seriously have NEED of a firearm. I agree with whoever posted earlier that the best course might be to organize within your community for these possibilities. Plan shared gardens, division of labor, etc. Of course I am fortunate as my family lives in a semi-rural area. What the people in the large cities are going to do once the food trucks stop coming I cannot even imagine. Thanks to whoever provided the information on the Intentional Communities website. Good luck everybody.
xntrk,
You mean we will have to clean the fish too??
One more thing, if you can afford it, make sure to have one or two bicycles, preferably with off-road tires and one of those thingies that hitches to the back for moving cargo. Make sure to buy a supply of inner tubes and a pump for the inevitable flats...
What is so disheartning is most Americans who have faith in the corporate media and the stock market will be wiped out.
Those investments, retirement accounts, stocks, or mutual funds will evaporate. American Mortgage lost 90% if their value in a day!! New Century Mortgage; Belly up. This should serve as warning signs.
Money is flowing out of the stock market and into gold or foreign markets. Unfortunately, most of investors flying out of the stock market are the very, very rich. Have you noticed the price of gold lately??? But don't worry when things get so bad and there is blood in the streets, they will come back and buy our assets for a fraction.
In Dec of last year, I sold my mutual funds. I suggest that people do the same. Even having your savings in cash accounts is very scary because of the the shaky dollar.
The end result will be, as usual, the rich end up losing money they couldn't have spent in 50 lifetimes anyway, and the rest of us will be screwed even worse, if that's actually possible.
It's all a ploy designed to smash "the little guy" and leave him no choice but to take the $40,000 US Army sign-up bonus.
Twister22 said
"I am getting chocolate, cigarettes, and coffee..."
I am buying beer. Thus when the ignorant people go broke, they will want to get drunk while they watch their houses, SUVs, boats, etc. get repossessed by the banks. I can barter with these people (for whatever they have left) for beer.
"Of course I am fortunate as my family lives in a semi-rural area. What the people in the large cities are going to do once the food trucks stop coming I cannot even imagine."
As someone who has lived in both "semi-rural" (i.e suburban?) areas and the city, I found the city neighborhoods to be more close-knit than suburbs or exurbs where everyone pretty much ignores each other. City neighborhoods will pull together, simply becaue many are already having to pull together under the economic neglect they already often suffer. In contract, the suburbanites are more likely to have an "every man for himself" attitude and get out their guns.
Maybe these observations are peculiar to Pittsburgh, but I don't think so. There are plenty of places to plant gardens in the city too by the way - although the idea of even food distribution breaking down seem too far fetched to be credible.
As far as "division of labor", maybe such a crisis would be a good time to instead try the "balanced job complex" concept of a ParEcon - where everyone shares both the drudgeery and empowering work together.
Hey Claudius.. maybe you and I can set up a general store together..lol
Guess I should invest in some alcohol too. Vodka.. don't think that ever goes stale does it?
Twister22,
Sounds good to me. Vodka works. It's kind of like Twinkies where it can sit on shelves for a long period of time without an expiration date...lol
When you two figure all this out, let us know, we can franchise :)
I've been waiting for years to find out what will happen when the Boomers are faced with the horrors of actually preparing the soil, carying the water, and pulling the weeds that must be pulled, hauled and hoed before the stuff is ready to eat.
Then there is the horror of pulling the husk back on the corn to discover a healthy crop of borers eating YOUR dinner!
Oh YUCK! How can anyone eat this stuff?
And the little slugs that lurk at the base of the lettuce if it's not carefully cleaned by all those dirty Mexicans that break into Fortress America in hopes of earing a living.
Those weird looking slugs can carry a virus in their slime that sickens mammals, including humans, btw.
Worse yet, those of you who still eat balanced diets are faced with the simple puzzle of cutting up a chicken. If you don't know the secrets your Mom didn't want to learn from Granny, you'll wind up with a plate of unidentified chicken parts like they serve at the Colonel's and McDonald's.
Life is hell, but making friends with the neighbors might not be a bad idea. They might help pull the weeds in return for some of the crop - And, who knows? Maybe he's a hobby fisherman...
If there is anything good about this, it's that it is happening under bush's watch, not
3 months after a democratic president takes over in 2008. [Not that It's much to look forward to]
People who wish great pain and suffering on the American people simply because they think it will improve the chances of their political ideas are just sick. They are just as sick as Bush and his friends causing pain and suffering by bombing other people just because they think it improves the chances of their political ideas. Anyone who thinks that way must be shunned, avoided and always kept from power.
BTW, everyone is not hurt in a downturn. People who were truly rich and wealthy before the Great Depression came through it just fine. Oh, they may have had some depressing meetings with their accountants where they received a report that they had lost some money. But you didn't see the Vanderbilts suddenly hopping freight trains looking for jobs picking fruit in orchards.
The people who are hurt are the lower and middle classes. The middle classes create the scare stories of people jumping from windows when the stock market goes down. But that's only because they deluded themselves that they were well off when in reality they weren't anywhere near the same league as the Vanderbilts and the Rockefellers. When the markets crashed, the middle classes were the once that realized their supposed wealth had only been illusionary and on paper.
When the Dow Jones average was 1000, two-digit fluctuations were not all that unusual. Now that's it's above 10,000, three-digit losses wouldn't seem like something to get upset about.
The price of gold has little to do with the stock market. Gold is essentially a commodity with a value that changes very little over time. What does change however is the value of the US dollar. What you've seen if you've been paying any attention is that the value of the US dollar has been steadily falling for the last two years. Thus the price of gold has been steadily rising for the last two years. It just takes more dollars to buy the same amount of gold because the dollar is worth less than it used to be.
COMarc,
You raise some good points. Of course it would be sick to profit off people while they suffer, especially the middle and lower classes (it is just our bad sense of humor in coping with the coming economic disaster). Historically, eleven of the wealthiest men in the United States committed suicide before the stock market crashed in 1929, followed by the Depression. True, the wealthy do survive. That is why in another thread on a different article I remarked how interesting it would be to see Blackwater mercenaries protecting high-rise condominium towers and gated upscale communities.
What is not mentioned by Krugman or posters is the cause of this "credit squeeze." Hedge funds colluded with top wall street banks to short the abx index (a dirivatives index providing the mark-to-market valuation for MBS backed bonds--the lifeblood of all mortgage lenders) and withdrawl credit from "sub-prime" mortgage companies with tyhe intent to cause the latters' failure and subsequent take-over by said hedge funds and banks at pennies on the dollar. What was not anticipated was the escalation of the "credit squeeze" up the food chain of mortgage providers. The posts by the owner of sanitycheck.com and research done by folks at NCANS.org and other sites provide much greater insight into the huge problems existing in US and global financial markets.
The greedy in a gamed system became overly greedy. Allowing the gamed system to continue is a bipartisan goal, similar in scope to the goal of ensuring continued expansion of the US Empire. That both goals are on the verge of collapse at the same time is No coincidence, IMO.
Hey Canuck, holy smoke! When the depression hits, don't go near your border, much less Texas. Don't worry about the Mexicans havng to buy it back, they will be pouring across the border to take it back.
Anyone who believes this is funny has a great sense of humor and would make jokes about drowning their married mate in a bathtub.
Which reminds me.
Let's see...its illegal to "kite" credit cards, you can't "kite" checks anymore...it pretty damn hard to take out a loan to pay off another loan and that's the way it is for all of us average people and small business oerators...however that is exactely how the hedge fund operators make millions and millions a year and now they are getting help from the feds...wtf?
The housing bubble was so obvious...in my nieghborhood in suburban LA...houses that sold new for 300k 10 years ago routinely sell today for well over a million...also check out the 60's cheeseboxes that sold for 20k now selling for over a million in towns all over SoCal...imagine a postage stamp lot, one bathroom and no garage for a cool million plus and you're only a mile from the beach!
Jager
Just remember while your broker tells you it will be alright. Not to panic they are most likely selling and when they are done getting out is when they will let you know it's time to leave the market.
Get a garden and some canning jars and grow your own smoke to be able to sit back in that cave and listen to the end of the world by Elvis Costello...
RE: financial news update
More action by Fed today, another large mortgage bank files for bankruptcy. Panicked markets. Watch out...
What would you do Poet?
The real estate crash, which has not -- and may not -- happened may actually be a mixed blessing. As others have noted in other discussions, these sorts of issues are always framed from the wealthy investor's perspective. So would be all that terrible of a thing of the median home once again became almost affordable to the median wage earner?
The only way I can see it hurting the remnants of the middle-class is for those people who've bought a home in the past 8 years or so when the market was criminally inflated, and perhaps taken out home equity loans against fantasy/concocted values at that time. They'll end up with not zero equity -- but negative equity. They'd have been better off under slavery (no equity to lose).
So we've had run amok lending, sheer usury by the banks, and negligent regulators during two terms of Shrub.
What's Hillary's solution? Let's look very, very, carefully in the next few months. Will it be a bailout such that industry's criminal activity, and D.C.'s negligence is wholly justified, a great falsification of the "crime doesn't pay" motto?
If so, it'll be like a replay of the S&L debacle. Good crook/bad crook thing. One crooked administration lets the books get cooked, the other bails "us" (them) out.
Why don't they instead round up the predatory lenders and put them in jail for things that should have been crimes at the time, but weren't? Bush is into pre-emptive justice and pre-emptive wars.
Let's just call this new concept "retroactive justice".
Kem Patrick taunts--
What would you do Poet?
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There is no one "sure thing" for all people to do under this situation. Investments should be done according to ones income, age, and financial goals in the long term.
Too many of the people who are playing the stock market today are engagiing in nothing more or less than a variation on casino gambling.
Virtually 100% of the hedge funds that are leading the market melt-down right now are nothing more or less than legalized Ponzi schemes with august financial institutions being the "downline shills" instead of poor illiterate immigrant peasents.
This wouldn't be so bad except these very same institutions have collateralized their "investments" with OPM--other people's money--the little people who believed them when their pension and trust-fund managers said "have I got a deal for you".
The twin ideas that "when you wish upon a star your dreams come true" and that you can get something for nothing have been, are presently, and always will be lies.
These opinions are not original with me, writer James Howard Kunstler has a very good website you or anyone else who wants to get a glimpse at financial reality would do well to check out.
I got all As, except a D- in the Theory of Economics and spelling. However, that said, this is what I do know.
Half of the people who have home mortagages in the United States are more than ( 90 ) days behnd in their mortgage payments. HALF? No, actually is is slightly more than half. Is that worrisme to anyone? Well Paul the housing crash may not be,___ but it will be.
In addition, the ones who have the adjustable rate mortgages are beginning to feel it, with their payments doubling and they can't afford to make the payment they already have. Oh-Oh.
What's that song Bush sings? Plastic Jesus, sitting on the dashboard of my car, I don't care if it's dark and scary, as long as I've got magnetic Mary, ridin on the dashboard of my carrrrrrrrr. He don't care either.