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Prospects of Armageddon: The Logic That Defends Past Nuclear Atrocities Is Now Used To Support a Strike Against Iran
It is appalling, if unsurprising, to read the neoconservative cheerleader Oliver Kamm arguing in these pages that the atomic bombs that devastated Hiroshima and Nagasaki 62 years ago saved lives and ended suffering. The subtext is plain. The same camp whose vocal endorsement led to the present catastrophe in Iraq are now hawkishly gazing at Iran. The same absurd and dangerous logic that defends the nuclear atrocities of 1945 can now be used to support the pre-emptive use of nuclear weapons against Iran - the threat of which in turn makes the idea of a conventional attack appear more palatable. Now, more than ever, we should be unequivocal in our moral position: as Mohamed ElBaradei, the head of the International Atomic Energy Agency, has said, the mere possession of nuclear weapons today should be viewed with the same condemnation and horror as we have regarded slavery and genocide in our modern civilized world.
Astonishingly, the calamity of Iraq has failed to dampen the belligerent clique within the White House. The arrival of an IAEA team in Tehran yesterday to discuss inspections is equally unlikely to dissuade advocates of a strike, nuclear or conventional. Such an assault would be in flagrant breach of the nuclear non-proliferation treaty, but it would hardly be the first time the US has disregarded the 1968 accord.
The treaty obliges nuclear states to pursue negotiations in good faith towards cessation of the nuclear arms race and on to disarmament. It also guarantees non-nuclear states help with and access to peaceful nuclear know-how and technology.
All five original nuclear states are in violation of the treaty for failing to take effective action towards disarmament. The US systematically contravened the treaty in the 1980s and 1990s by successfully bringing pressure to bear on western governments and companies, as well as China and Russia, not to enter nuclear collaborations with Iran - which, as a signatory of the treaty, has been entitled since 1970 to receive material, technology and information for the peaceful use of nuclear power. This eventually drove Iran, after the bombing of Iraq's Osirak nuclear plant by Israel in 1981, on to the black market in order to pursue its nuclear programme. The subsequent partial concealment of Iran's nuclear activities gave rise to western suspicion of its nuclear ambitions, but rarely does the media characterisation make reference to the context in which the recourse to the black market took place. It is rare, too, to see mention made of the fact that the IAEA has found no evidence of a weapons programme after over 2,200 hours of snap inspections of Iranian nuclear plants.
In marked contrast to western suspicion of Iran, the real nuclear programme in Israel has been eagerly sponsored by the governments of France, Britain and the US. They have actively supported Israel's development of an arsenal estimated to include more than 200 warheads. It is a weapons programme Tel Aviv is determined to shroud in secrecy. Mordechai Vanunu served an 18-year prison sentence, including 12 years in solitary confinement, after speaking publicly of Israel's possession of nuclear weapons in 1986. Last month he was sentenced to a further six months in prison for speaking to foreigners .
Even as Iran discusses renewed inspections with the IAEA, the risk of a military attack on its nuclear facilities remains high. Israel's threat to deploy nuclear bunker busters to destroy Iran's weapons potential is in line with the US's national security strategy of 2006 and the Pentagon's doctrine for joint nuclear operations which justifies use of tactical nuclear weapons against non-nuclear weapons states as a "deterrent". The ultimate irony is that the leading violator of the treaty, the US, and the region's sole nuclear power and non-signatory, Israel, are contemplating nuclear strikes on the pretext of nuclear limitation.
Last year John McCain, a Republican presidential hopeful and an advocate of keeping the military option against Iran on the table, was asked what the consequence of an attack on Iran would be. His response was only one word: "Armageddon." After three devastating wars driven by the US, Britain and Israel since 9/11, the prospect of a catastrophic war against Iran hangs over the region.
While the world remembers Hiroshima and Nagasaki, an international statement endorsed by dozens of leading peace, anti-nuclear and community organisations in the UK, US and Israel, as well as five Nobel laureates, calls for a Middle East free of weapons of mass destruction. Israel could do the region a great service by announcing immediately that it is to disable its nuclear arsenal.
· Abbas Edalat is professor of computer science and mathematics at Imperial College London and founder of the Campaign Against Sanctions and Military Intervention in Iran; Mehrnaz Shahabi is the campaign's executive editor www.campaigniran.org
Guardian Unlimited © Guardian News and Media Limited 2007
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Show Allfazzbot,
Your view is worse than unpopular, it is plain wrong. Truman used nukes to scare off the Russians, not to make the Japanese surrender - they had signaled their intention to do so and Truman knew it.
If you're going to perpetuate a myth, at least make it a positive one.
What we did before involving war can only be a negative example.
How can any intelligent person try to justify future action by looking for positive examples in a relentless series of failures?
The simple fact that we have an evangelical Christian president who's faith group looks forward to the Second Coming and the Armageddon war that will precede it is terrifying. Thus the Neocon/apocalypse Christian alliance has made friends with Israel who simply seems to want to defend itself. However, the belligerence of this cynical alliance could very well provoke nuclear holocaust.
And what's worse--a significant minority of people in this country are also eagerly awaiting the Second Coming and it's preceding apocalypse.
Basically, we have groups that are not only willing to gamble with the future of civilization by playing the nuclear card--the actually WANT the all out nuclear war which would signal end times and the Second Coming.
Terrifying.
It's not only irrelevant, it's tasteless. Tammy Faye is dead. Leave her alone.
Correct. She was good people.
Good people pay $11,000 for an air conditioned dog house for their pet poodle and own six Caddy's, two Rolls, a pair of mercedes sports cars and a 90 foot long yacht, all purchased with money they got from begging for donations on their Moral Majority television program. Swell folks, the salt of the Earth.
They are the "type" of people Bush listened to. I don't have a clue if Bush ever heard of Tammy.
That's what I meant. Thank you.
US attack by exploding atomic bombs on Iran to prevent non-existant Iranian atomic bomb development? Manifest Insanity.
No Nukes in the Middle East period would be an excellent idea!
Free Mordechai Vanunu!
No War with Iran!
Thing is, the bombings of Nagasaki & Hiroshima, er, excuse me, mass murders, did NOT necessarily save lives. The "conventional wisdom" and speculation repeated so much is hardly backed up by the historical record. What did the generals and other leaders of the time have to say?
Today's conventional wisdoms "owe more to
political agendas than to objective projections." (5)
5. In June and July 1945, Joint Chiefs of Staff committees predicted that between 20,000 and 46,000 Americans would die in the one or two invasions for which they had drawn contingency plans. While still in office, President Truman usually placed the number at about a quarter of a million, but by 1955 had doubled it to half a million. Winston Churchill said the attacks had spared well over 1.2 million Allies. (Barton Bernstein, "The Myth of Lives Saved by A-bombs," Los Angeles Times, July 28, 1985, IV, p.1; Barton Bernstein, "Stimson, Conant, and Their Allies Explain the Decision to Use the Atomic Bomb," Diplomatic History, Winter 1993, p.48.)
http://members.aol.com/bblum6/abomb.htm
One can also read "Atomic Diplomacy" & other works by Gar Alperovitz for an in depth study of the decision to use it.
No more Nagasakis (or Hiroshimas)
"War is a racket" ~ Major General Smedley Darlington Butler, US Marine Corps d.
Senator McCain said it all in one word. If we attack Iran? He answered, "Armageddon."
Of course, as Bush is being advised by the likes of Jerry Falwell and Tammy Faye, Armageddon will be upon us, unless cooler heads like Cheney, Rummy and Rove intervene.
Maybe we're in trouble?
BLOW BACK WILL BE DEVASTATING.....
US Hegemony Spawns Russian-Chinese Military Alliance
by Paul Craig Roberts
This week Russian and Chinese militaries are conducting a joint military exercise involving large numbers of troops and combat vehicles. The former Soviet Republics of Tajikistan, Kyrgkyzstan, and Kazakstan are participating. Other countries appear ready to join the military alliance.
This new potent military alliance is a real world response to neoconservative delusions about US hegemony. Neocons believe that the US is supreme in the world and can dictate its course. The neoconservative idiots have actually written papers, read by Russians and Chinese, about why the US must use its military superiority to assert hegemony over Russia and China.
Cynics believe that the neocons are just shills, like Bush and Cheney, for the military-security complex and are paid to restart the cold war for the sake of the profits of the armaments industry. But the fact is that the neocons actually believe their delusions about American hegemony.
Russia and China have now witnessed enough of the Bush administration's unprovoked aggression in the world to take neocon intentions seriously. As the US has proven that it cannot occupy the Iraqi city of Baghdad despite 5 years of efforts, it most certainly cannot occupy Russia or China. That means the conflict toward which the neocons are driving will be a nuclear conflict.
In an attempt to gain the advantage in a nuclear conflict, the neocons are positioning US anti-ballistic missiles on Soviet borders in Poland and the Czech Republic. This is an idiotic provocation as the Russians can eliminate anti-ballistic missiles with cruise missiles. Neocons are people who desire war, but know nothing about it, hence spawning the US failures in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Reagan and Gorbachev ended the cold war. However, US administrations after Reagan's have broken the agreements and understandings. The US gratuitously brought NATO and anti-ballistic missiles to Russia's borders. The Bush regime has initiated a propaganda war against the Russian government of Vladimir Putin.
These are gratuitous acts of aggression. Both the Russian and Chinese governments are trying to devote resources to their economic development, not to their militaries. Yet, both are being forced by America's aggressive posture to revamp their militaries.
Americans need to understand what the neocon Bush regime cannot: a nuclear exchange between the US, Russia, and China would establish the hegemony of the cockroach.
In a mere 6.5 years the Bush regime has destroyed the world's good will toward the US. Today, America's influence in the world is limited to its payments of tens of millions of dollars to bribed heads of foreign governments, such as Egypt's and Pakistan's. The Bush regime even thinks that as it has bought and paid for Musharraf, he will stand aside and permit Bush to make air strikes inside Pakistan. Is Bush blind to the danger that he will cause an Islamic revolution within Pakistan that will depose the US puppet and present the Middle East with an Islamic state armed with nuclear weapons?
Considering the instabilities and dangers that abound, the aggressive posture of the Bush regime goes far beyond recklessness. The Bush regime is the most irresponsibly aggressive regime the world has seen since Hitler's.
"Of course, as Bush is being advised by the likes of Jerry Falwell and Tammy Faye, Armageddon will be upon us, unless cooler heads like Cheney, Rummy and Rove intervene."
John Hagee currently is the doyen of the Christo-Zionazis longing for the nukes so that Jesus will create a new Heaven & Earth for them -- no more worries then!
The very sober, pragmatic-minded Kevin Phillips asked several years ago why no one in the media had ever asked the Beast point-blank whether or not he believed in the apocalyptic scenarios of the Armageddonists.
The neocons and Christofascists meet in this Zionist fantasy which requires the mass incineration of Muslims; all the better for them if included are people they suspect are still really commies.
Why should anyone be surprised at the neoNAZIcons ? Once warmongers, always warmongers !
Attacking a city with nuclear weapons and killing thousands and thousands of people all at once to inflouence a political regime is the purest form of terrorism.
What sense does it make to terrorize a country with nuclear weapons to prevent them from terrorizing a country with nuclear weapons?
We are already using nuclear weapons in the mid-East and in many other places on the globe.
Nurse linda Kroll, asks us for our help by writing to one of the Hawaii state legislators listed at the bottom of this website and sending the message to all of our e-mail addresses.__ Please help.
www.protecthawaii.ws/page2.html
Many, if not most, Iranians love Americans. Yet, like many Americans, they are frightened by, and frustrated with, their government. When are we, as humanity, ever going to end this cycle of tyranny by a governing FEW over the majority who simply want to live a decent life with family and friends?
"What sense does it make to terrorize a country with nuclear weapons to prevent them from terrorizing a country with nuclear weapons?"
The same sense it makes to bomb the hell out of a country in order to kill a concept/belief/religion/etc.!
But don't you know - we're supposed to be out shopping to fill the coffers of big business and their share holders, the filthy rich, - not sitting here thinking about, or discussing reality.
The nuclear industry and Wall Street are loving every minute of it. When the best congress money can buy returns to DC in September they will pass an energy bill that includes boat loads of corporate welfare for the nuclear industry.
My Dad had a definition that seems truer than ever.
What is an honest politician?
"One that stays bought."
kem patrick, your usually right-on remarks are way off about a critical matter that must be addressed: TAMMY FAYE. stop insulting the mascara-challenged please!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tammy_Faye_Baker
Tammy Faye has developed a devoted fan base in the gay and specifically drag queen communities. A drag entertainer dubbed Tammy Faye Sinclair performs in the West Virginia, Ohio, and Kentucky areas. According to CNN's obituary, "Tammy Faye Messner has also been known as one of the few evangelical Christians who had the support of the gay community. She was one of the first televangelists to reach out to those with AIDS when it was a little-known and much-feared disease. In return, she told King in July, "When I went - when we lost everything, it was the gay people that came to my rescue, and I will always love them for that."[1]
this is not really the Hagee nuke-everything muslim so j.c. can come back-type. more a stellar but largely benign example of the American Freak Show. gay people know this shit, trust me.
(i know this is not really relevant to preventing an attack on iran, but what the hell.)
It's not only irrelevant, it's tasteless. Tammy Faye is dead. Leave her alone.
If Hiroshima was neccessary, than Nagasaki was a war crime. We could undo much if we prosecuted the Allied WWII war criminals.
Would it matter if we asked the American Corpo... errrr... GOVERNMENT not to attack Iran? We've asked them nicely not to tap our phones nor imprison us without due process nor lie to us regarding, welllll, EVERYTHING and, to date, they've ignored the will of the people.
Ahhh, what the Hell!!! Yo, America, please don't attack Iran. While I'm at it, please don't poison Colombia and cut Cuba some slack, (it's waaay nicer than Florida.)
There. Done my best.
Peace to you and yours.
Falwell is dead too, sorry if I hit any touchy nerves there. I just meant what I wrote, (that type) of person. A Bible thumping TV imitation Christian who wishes to see Armageddon as soon as possible. I hadn't seen much of either since the mid 80s, didn't realize they had such a following and never gave it a thought they would have so many fans here. __Sorry.
I'll go away now.
Using nuclear weaapons against Japan, a true enemy of the US during the first half of the 20th century was nasty business, but absolutely necessary. Sorry to have to say that, but the Generals had already drawn up a plan for attacking the Island nation and they knew form the slugfests in the Pacific that it was not going to be easy. In fact you can argue that using the bombs disappointed the generals who were salivating about more battles.
I would say the nuke option was a zero sum event, with the casuaties being Japanese civilians instead of American soldiers. I know that my opinion will be unpopular on this discussion, but so what. As for Iran, any attack on that country would be wrong for so many reasons. I am so tired of bashing this administration, they are so easy to dismiss as a footnote of history, but I share the fear of so many of you that logic is a foreign word to this bunch. I won't go as far as to call them criminals, although their actions certainly could be taken as criminalt, but if they do the unthinkable and attack Iran, I hope that everybody is ready for the immediate reaction from China. China would stop buying our bonds thereby creating a worldwide depression, an event that only they would be able to weather. I think most people who go to this site don't realize the war and the costs of it, as well as the cost of getting out of it is staggering and will affect the pensions and our future. The wars are more than conventional wars, they are destroyers of our culture, of our short lived heritage and not many people are prepared for this scenario.
There are no words sufficient to condemn the open cynicism of Bush and his allies.
Hitler was a piker.
But don't these religious types know that God Is Dead? I thought everyone knew that.
Armageddon is a construct of primitive minds, a fanciful notion dreamed up by those who enjoy enslaving and warping the minds of others by promising them rewards that don't exist.
Let's give god a decent burial and leave the stone ages behind forever.
http://seeking-utopia.blogspot.com
This is like a bad dream! I grew up in the fifties and still remember the pledge allegiance to the flag. I was always told I was fortunate to live in the greatest country in the world. The glorious red ,white and blue! We were the best country. Not like others we were the land of the free and home of the brave. Everything we did we did for the betterment of the world! Superman, John Wayne, western heroes like Matt Dillon. Everything seemed so black and white then. Just like out TV's I realize now I was just a kid basically brain-washed,lied to,everyhing our country has done has been for selfish purposes and then spun and sold to the American public who like children swallow it. But these last few years weve gone from bad to an evil empire! It's gotten so bad and Bush is so arrogant it's like they don't even try to spin it anymore! It's shut up and pay your taxes,we don't need to explain. We don't need to sugarcoat anymore. We'll I'm not a kid anymore and my eyes are open finally. But I'm amazed how many eyes are not open! It staggers the mind thet people still believe were a great and compassionate country!! We have over 750 military bases in other parts of the world! I guess I would rather know the truth then to believe the big lie! It might make the big judgement coming our way a little more understandable. Because Baby we have sowed to the wind and if there is a GOD in heaven WE WILL REAP THE WHIRLWIND!!!
Dougrambo, you took the words right out of my mouth, I just couldn't have written them as well as you just did.
One little difference, I grew up in the thirties.
God isn't dead! Don't you know that it was God that told Bush to attack IRAQ. So God can't be dead. Unless the God Bush was talking about wasn't the benevolent God of the Bible. Maybe it wasn't God that spoke to Bush at all. Maybe it was THE VOICES IN HIS HEAD THAT TELL HIM KILL! KILL! KILL! KILL FOR FREEDOM! KILL FOR DEMOCRACY! KILL FOR OIL!!
KILL FOR EXXON!! KILL TO SHOW DADDDY WHAT A GREAT SON I AM!! KILL FOR CHENEY!! KILL FOR RUMMY!! KILL FOR MOMMY! KILL THE TERRORISTS!!! KILL KILL KILL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ONWARD CHRISTAN SOLDIERS MARCHING OFF TO WAR!! AND WE WONT BE BACK TILL ITS OVER OVER THERE!!!!! Catchy tune. One more time...KILL!! KILL!! KILL!! Can't get those voices out of his head!! What a bloody GOD he serves!!!!!
Be ready citizens of America.
With your economy entering its final death spiral, the martial law declaration is likely coming soon, possibly following another staged 'pretext event' like that in NYC just shy of 6 years ago.
If I were grisly enough to bet on such things, considering the leaders of this goon squad have prepared themselves a shadow camp in Paraguay, I'd bet one of those warheads they took out of storage at Rammstein AFB is destined for DC.
The rest will be used against Iran and anyone who retaliates after that.
May as many as possible find safe harbour.
Somewhere.
(sigh)
KEM PATRICK, I thought you were going away and you are already back! No seriously, I thought it was quite good what you said about Bush listening to Falwell and Tammy Faye. When you have a direct line to heaven, who knows who will be speaking?
DOUGRAMBO, your post on the constant barrage of killing,killing, was right on the mark also. It is like we are living in some kind of fairyland listening to a stream of baloney every day. Hurrah! we killed 35 today and only lost 8 0f our own. Progress every day until next election is over.
We don`t need Christ to come end the world, looks like we can do it opurselves.
Sorry thomas j, Hitler was a what?
He means in comparison to GWB rebelnow. I hope that's what he meant.
dcbeltway -"No Nukes in the Middle East period would be an excellent idea!"
We are in agreement.
Great idea but it foolishly overlooks the fact that there are ALREADY nukes in the Middle East... in both Israel and Pakistan at the very least.
Our government has already allowed a tight little group of neurotic fanatics from PNAC and The American Enterprise Institute to stampede us into war with Iraq, and now those very same crazies are trying to annoy Iran into invading Iraq so they can use the distraction to rape our Treasury even further.
Our soldiers have enough trouble just dealing with the Iraqis who don't want us in Iraq... we don't need to be fighting Iran's army too!
The time has come to tar and feather those idiot war-mongers that are pulling Bush's strings and ride them outside of the beltway on a rail.
I only hope that our so-called representatives in Congress realize that they are being played exactly the same way they were before the invasion of Iraq.
"What a bloody GOD he serves!!!!!"
This divinity got his start by slaughtering the eldest sons of the most technically-advanced society in antiquity, in the name of freeing up the first soldiers of the -urIDF to go slaughter the inhabitants of ancient Palestine.
His current activity is to prevent women from various regions in the world from regulating their own reproduction. He is inspiring large portions of the US military to kill their Koranic cousins & and the ethnic cleansers based in Tel Aviv.
The all-knowing divinity is a primitive prototype for the actual development of the mammon-military state in history, whose clerics are sure that it knows all & can judge all.
Dichterfreund - You have high language, but low accuracy:
1. You missed the whole book of Genesis and half of Exodus (Ethnic cleansing from the Garden of Eden, Mass extinction and Genocide by Flood, Nuclear holocaust like destruction of Sodom, Demand for human sacrifice, Slavery, wars etc...) before the story come to what you called the start of God Blood lust.
2. I do agree though that most ME ethnic cleansing were done in the name of God. Don't forget the ones in Iran, Libya, Sudan, Egypt, Turkey, Lebanon, Jordan, Iraq, and more.
Surly all ethnic cleanser should be equally remembered.
B.T.W the Capital of Israel is Jerusalem, and not Tel Aviv. (At least since 970 BCE)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerusalem
Dichterfreund:
I'm not here to defend any God or Allah, but I would say that, as far as I understand such things (which may not be very much!) --that humanity has this thing called 'FREEWILL', and so we have the option to act like crazy barbarians, or grow up, and become sane, cooperative and creative people.
Ergo: We get to CHOOSE, ~ (and we reap the results accordingly).
Is it wise for us to act badly, then blame a 'big bad God' for our actions I wonder?
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Dougrambo:
Thankyou, you raised some important points, one of which is the process wherein those who have been conditioned by the 'powers that be' eventually awaken and see that that their 'abusing parent' (aka, The State) has been acting badly all along, but that the citizen, in his/her childish, trusting innocence didn't recognize it.
I think it's useful to realise that for each of us who have wholly or partially 'woken up' there are a dozen or more who are still very fast asleep.
Part of our responsibility is to help them awaken and real-eyes that *all is not as it should be* with the Big Daddy governing them! -because 'Daddy' is, in fact, an abusing, selfish, lying, malevolent psychotic!
As regards your comments about any 'God in Heaven', I think [extant] Christianity has given 'god' a bad name! And much the same could be said for some followers of Allah and other man made religions.
I personally think there IS a 'Grand Architect' behind this universe, -a loving force for GOOD, but mankind has done as it often does, -and twisted / garbled things, until --to the casual observer, it might look as if God can be blamed for all the messes humanity has made, -and is making still.
It's hard to get at the truth, due to all the codswallop (Godswallop?!) ascribed to any supposed 'Maker', but after a lifetime trying to get at the truth of things, my own conclusion is that we could usefully run with the notion that God is (actually) a 'God of LOVE', and thus all that Old Testament bilge about 'revenge is sweet' or whatever, is just human twaddle stitched on to the actuality, -- and this serves to illustrate the murkier side of our immature, impure 'shadow selves'.
The main article speaks of Armageddon, and I think there is (potentially) such a thing looming if we don't get on with revamping human consciousness, but -once again- the neocon Christian Zionistas have got everything upside-down and backwards. They seem to think that THEY ALONE are the *righteous ones*!! and ignore all teachings about calamitous 'spiritual pride' et al.
I believe that heroic whistleblower Mordechai Vanunu, or (eg) a humble, loving, caring atheist who serves his / her fellow beings, is TWICE as likely to get any supposed 'heavenly rewards' than any of these arrogant, sanctimonious, braying asses who pontificate over those who don't subscribe to their *cRapture* nonsense!
I've recently heard some Jewish folk say they are heartily sick of these nutjob Christian Zionists bleating on about 'rebuilding Jerusalem' - and all that Rapture claptrap...
For my part, I'd much rather NOT get to any supposed heaven which is chock full of those raving 'Chosen Ones'! -Nor do I have need of '77 virgins' (-what IS that obsession all about? how very sick some guys are!)
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To those people who could contemplate, even for one millisecond, ever using atomic weaponry to hurt their fellow human beings with all their demented talk of 'nuking Iran' or whatever, first let them do as I once did: As a young researcher, I took the time and trouble to get to view the archival photographs taken after such events as Hiroshima and those taken at the time of the allied liberation of Belsen and other Nazi concentration camps.
Any sane person viewing these files (which are not available to the general public as they are too horrific) cannot fail to be deeply moved to commit, lifelong, to an antiwar stance.
Much the same occurred during the Vietnam era, when I studied long and hard, a close-up color photo of a young Vietnamese woman, who lay dead upon the ground with her skull smashed apart and her pink-gray brain ripped out and spread upon the grass beside her.
At that moment, I swore to a lifetime of doing all I could to help educate my fellow beings to awaken from their comatose state and put an end to the ruinous evils of warfare...
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The word *Pornocracy* means, 'the dominating influence of harlots' and thus it is we live in an era of governance by Pornocrats. The 'harlots' mentioned here are those politicians who've sold their souls to the devils who stoke the War Machine, - with the connivance of a corrupted and gutless mEss media.
Ordinary prostitutes, -as Christ would point out- are a dozen times more sainted than those scrubbed, be-suited, maniacal fiends somehow absurdly elected into governance, -those who order their duped subjects into battle for no sane reason at all.
They may look clean on the outside, but inside are an infected torrent of filth and diabolic slime.
~We must do all we can, *using all the means at our disposal*, to ensure they are arraigned / reigned-in ASAP.
The use of nuclear weapons is NEVER necessary. It's rediculous to even imagine that.
Consider this - If US Marines were sent into a village containing enemy insurgents, killed the insurgents, then killed all the other men in the village and lined up the women and children including infants and killed them too. After that they burned the village to the ground and went to all the surrounding areas and killed everyone there too. Once the killing of humans was complete, they started killing animals and poisoning the plants and water supplies until the entire area for miles and miles was just a wasteland of death. Can any human being rationally justify that act?
The use of a nuclear weapon is even worse. Instead of a village it's a city. Thousands and thousands of people killed, the entire culture and history of that city gone, and lingering health issues on the survivors for generations (not to even mention the environmental impact). WTF are you thinking? The use of those kind of weapons can never be justified by any kind of rational thought. Truman was wrong.
If I interpreted correctly, then DICHTERFREUND and HUBCAP are substantiating the case I have made in this forum that the concept of the Deity has been subverted into a worship that closely resembles reverence for Mars, the old god of war. The fact that war is championed, that so much $ and human lives get spent on it, that regardless of history's BLOODY examples of all the reasons NOT to enter into the calamitous state, it still remains a staple suggests that what is taken for God worship in fact is primitive homage to the most bestial urges in ourselves, projected onto a purported deity.
UNCOMMON DREAMS makes a good case for the obligation the part of awakened souls to do what they can to teach their sleeping brothers and sisters, but here's an interesting koan to consider, "How indeed does the dreamer (or deluded one) come to recognize the awakened state?" Therein my friends lies the rub, and a particularly knotty one given the fact our efforts to light the candle to darkness compete with a 24/7 media that constantly functions as a John Phillip Sousa equivalent drum beat FOR war, and who does war serve? Mammon (the $ masters) and Mars (the military-industrial complex). As we collectively stare into the abyss that Armageddon suggests knowing the build up in the US nuclear arsenal alone is quite capable of pulling this "theater of war" production off, it becomes painfully clear that we have nothing to lose by doing all that we can to create a mass awakening. I have found that humor and comedy work best when people are otherwise inured to truth.
Vets we are in agreement...a historic moment for commondreams.... but Tel Aviv needs to dismantle its 200 plus nuclear arsenal as much as everyone else in the region and currently they are the only ones with the actual weapons.
"1. You missed the whole book of Genesis and half of Exodus (Ethnic cleansing from the Garden of Eden, Mass extinction and Genocide by Flood, Nuclear holocaust like destruction of Sodom, Demand for human sacrifice, Slavery, wars etc…) before the story come to what you called the start of God Blood lust."
Vets,
I point to the Passover as the institutional ritual, both for Jews and Christians, because even liberal Christians accept the Passover and Exodus as a type for liberation.
"I'm not here to defend any God or Allah, but I would say that, as far as I understand such things (which may not be very much!) –that humanity has this thing called 'FREEWILL', and so we have the option to act like crazy barbarians, or grow up, and become sane, cooperative and creative people.
Ergo: We get to CHOOSE, ~ (and we reap the results accordingly).
Is it wise for us to act badly, then blame a 'big bad God' for our actions I wonder."
Unfortunately, it's a sort of catch-as-catch-can notion of free will, which only means that if you do what God wants you to do, you're free, if you don't do what he wants you to do, you're not free or good. So it's not really free will, but moral extortion.
'If I interpreted correctly, then DICHTERFREUND and HUBCAP are substantiating the case I have made in this forum that the concept of the Deity has been subverted into a worship that closely resembles reverence for Mars, the old god of war."
Siouxrose, I agree entirely, except that I've concluded that the concept of Deity has never, apart from a few interesting heretics like Jesus of Nazareth, anything but a god of war. To become the faith of the failing empire, the church had to surrender any remnants of the idea that he forbade war.
"Hitler's political power was weakening because his extravagant military programs had virtually bankrupted Germany's treasury and a movemnet was growing to replace him as Chancellor - until he set up the phony incursion from Poland, attacked them"
This makes Hitler & the Nazis sound more opportunistic than they were. The drive to the East and 'resettlement' of its peoples was part of the program as early as the failure of the putsch.
I for one eagerly await the burning of Bush.
Alas, the Burning Bush of scripture was unconsumed. Though the inhabitant thereof likewise assumed he was divine.
Just prior to World War Two, Hitler's political power was weakening because his extravagant military programs had virtually bankrupted Germany's treasury and a movemnet was growing to replace him as Chancellor - until he set up the phony incursion from Poland, attacked them, which activated Poland's defense treaty with England and launched the Nazi holocaust.
Bush is in a similar dilemma. He has virtually bankrupted the U.S. treasury with his Iraq War, a movemnet to impeach is growing, and his only way out is to attack Iran and provoke World War Three. Then, like Hitler, he could become dictator, but unlike Hitler, Bush yearns for Biblical Armageddon, a final nuclear holocaust, after which he believes his Christian God would resurrect him and all devout Christians to a re-created Earthly paradise.
Thus, we are being dragged into an omnicidal religious war by the suicidal fanatics of both Islam and Christianity, and impeachment may not come soon enough to stop it.
dcbeltway - "Tel Aviv needs to dismantle its 200 plus nuclear arsenal as much as everyone else in the region"
I also think it would be best interest of the Israeli people to dismantle Israel's nukes.
Capital of Israel is Jerusalem though and not Tel-Aviv.
Dichterfreund -
In September 1939 (Invasion of Poland) Hitler's popularity was at it's peak.
After the western powers had yield the Sudetenland (in Czechoslovakia) to Germany during the Munich convention in Ocrober 1938, the resistant movement to Hitler basically dissolved, and he faced NO serious internal opposition and no actual German resistance, until the assassination attempt in 1944.
Prior to the Invation of Poland, Hitler was successfull in any military advanture he took.
The Saar, Austria, Sudetenland, Czechoslovakia (Which virtualy doubled Germany military industrial capability)
The extravagant military programs, though virtually bankrupted Germany, actually helped Hitler's popularity, because it created Jobs. (Before the Nazi come to power the German people suffered from high unemployment)
An interesting resources on this subject:
- "The Unnecessary War" -"The British Foreign Office and the German resistance to Hitler" by Patricia Meehan
- "What If" – "War of 1938" by Williamson Murray
Vets US Gov't doesn't recognize Jerusalem as Israel's capital they recognize it as Tel Aviv. As an American I follow the gov't line on that one.