Veterans' Rare Cancers Raise Fears of Toxic Battlefields
WASHINGTON - In the wake of an Iraqi official last month blaming America's use of depleted uranium munitions in its 2003 "Shock and Awe" campaign for a surge in cancer there, the Defense Department is facing an October deadline for providing a comprehensive report to Congress on the health effects of such weapons.
The report is required by the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2007, which President Bush signed into law last year.
The request for the study is an outgrowth of claims by Iraq war veterans that exposure to depleted uranium and other toxic substances there has negatively affected their health and that, therefore, their illnesses should be recognized as war-related and the treatment covered by the Veterans Administration.
Currently, the State Department's Web site says fears about adverse health effects of depleted uranium, or DU, are "unwarranted," and it lists worries about DU under a section called "identifying misinformation."
The site says the American military uses the material in ammunition "to take advantage of its unsurpassed ability to penetrate armored vehicles," and it cites four separate studies - by NATO, the Rand Corporation, the European Commission, and the World Health Organization - that found no evidence of adverse health effects from depleted uranium.
Even so, worries persist. According to Rep. Jim McDermott, a Democrat of Washington who pushed for the report from the Pentagon, "There are countless stories of mysterious illnesses, higher rates of serious illnesses, and even birth defects. We do not know what role, if any, DU plays in the medical tragedies in Iraq, but we must find out."
Modern wars have produced a number of specific medical complaints, ranging from "Gulf War Syndrome" - a group of immune disorders and cancers whose connection to service in the 1991 Persian Gulf conflict is being studied - to the long-term effects of a defoliant, Agent Orange, for which some Vietnam veterans obtained a settlement in 1984.
While their causes can't be pinpointed definitively, some soldiers who have avoided being killed or wounded in the current Iraq conflict are returning to America to find they have debilitating illnesses or cancers that they suspect are related to battlefield conditions, whether it is the depleted uranium used in projectiles, the remains of Saddam Hussein's chemical weapons, or the smoke from burning oil wells.
An Army chaplain, Captain Fran Stuart of the 101st Airborne was based in Mosul, Iraq, where "Shock and Awe" bombings occurred, for a year beginning in March 2003. In March 2006, the 40-year-old chaplain - who is this reporter's sister - was diagnosed with a rare condition only seen in teenage girls: Stage IV dysgerminoma, an ovarian germ cell cancer. She was flown from Germany to Walter Reed Army Medical Center in Washington, D.C., where doctors removed a volleyball-sized tumor from her abdomen and she faced daily battles with the side effects of an aggressive chemotherapy regimen - 35 rounds to date.
"My body isn't mine anymore. I can feel the other tumors inside of me. I look like a monster," Captain Stuart said last May as patches of her strawberry blond hair fell out.
A Bronze Star-winning Vietnam Veteran and reservist, Army Sergeant First Class James Lauderdale Jr. of Tuscon, Ariz., was activated to serve in Iraq in January 2005 and was deployed to Camps Doha and Arijhan in Kuwait, where oil refineries released clouds of brown smoke from their stacks.
"I knew what the pollutants in the air meant, and what I would be exposed to - as well as the brown water I bathed and washed my clothes in," he told a reporter.
In March 2005, Lauderdale developed a sore throat and began having difficulty sleeping on his right side because his jaw hurt. After seeing two medics, one prescribed a root canal, but rather than alleviating the pain, it only worsened, he said.
At the end of the month, Lauderdale saw a dentist in Kuwait City, who lifted his tongue and found a lesion. Biopsy results came back as Stage II squamous cell cancer of the mouth floor and tongue.
On April 1, 2005, Lauderdale was sent to Walter Reed, where a doctor said, "The sergeant is in a unique group. We don't know what would stimulate him to have this type of cancer since he isn't a smoker." Another doctor added, "I saw a 21-year-old here who just came back from Iraq with the same type of cancer."
When his family asked if the cause could have been something Lauderdale was exposed to in Kuwait - the air pollutants, contaminated brown water, or depleted uranium, for which he was never tested - the doctors said they couldn't be certain of the cause, family members said.
By June 2006, the cancer had spread to his neck and jaw, lungs, ribs, and spinal column, and Lauderdale had undergone five surgeries, including a tongue reconstruction, right and left radical neck resections and a tracheotomy, two rounds of chemo, and 39 rounds of radiation. Within a month, "hundreds and thousands of lesions appeared, canvassing the entire part of his upper body," his wife of 34 years, Dixie Lauderdale, said. The doctors were dumbfounded by how aggressive his cancer was, she added.
After a valiant fight, Lauderdale, 59, died at Walter Reed on July 14, 2006. His final wish was to be buried at Arlington National Cemetery.
In April 2005, Army Sergeant Charles Lewis, who saw combat in Iraq with the 101st Airborne, was diagnosed with Stage II testicular cancer.
"There was no family history. We asked the doctors if being in Iraq had anything to do with it, but most weren't sure," he said. "We had been told to contact the VA to see if there were any other soldiers returning with cancer, but they would not give us any information.
"Four different people we know and who have been in combat with me have either had tumors removed or have been tested for cancer," Sergeant Lewis continued. "So we have often questioned if Iraq or vaccinations could have played a part in this cancer."
Army Sergeant First Class Charles Frenzel has served in the military for more than 30 years; during the last four years, he has been stationed at Forts Jackson and Lee in America and at Camp Caldwell in Iraq. While he was on assignment in Iraq in October 2005, he was diagnosed with a brain tumor and evacuated to Walter Reed, where an 8.5-by-4.5-inch nonmalignant meningioma was removed.
Asked what he thought had caused his tumor, Sergeant Frenzel offered several possibilities. "I think Saddam had a lot more advanced chemical programs than what was originally suspected," he said. "I was exposed to daily oil smog. Iraq burns straight nonprocessed crude oil, and the smog was horrific. The water was contaminated, and we were bathing and washing our clothes in it."
In June 2006, while undergoing a chemo treatment on Ward 65 at Walter Reed, Captain Stuart met Army Staff Sergeant Frank Valentin of the Transportation Battalion, a 34-year-old Brooklyn native who had been based at Camp Spearhead in the port of Kuwait City on the Iraq-Kuwait border for two years.
Situated amid two oil refineries, a cement factory, a chlorine factory, and a sulfuric acid factory, Sergeant Valentin and other soldiers who assisted at the camp knew immediately that their bouts of burning eyes, hot, red facial skin, and unrelentingly runny noses were caused by a cesspool of noxious fumes, he said.
The soldiers tried complaining, Sergeant Valentin said, "but nobody wanted to hear it - we just stayed quiet. They just wanted us to do our job."
Sergeant Valentin was diagnosed with hemorrhoids eight times and sent back to work, but when the pain and discomfort did not abate, he instinctively knew something was wrong, he said. Finally, a reservist who was an oncologist diagnosed Sergeant Valentin with colon cancer.
The reservist oncologist told him that there were six other soldiers with newly found cancers in his unit, Sergeant Valentin said. The sergeant said he personally knew of two that had been diagnosed with cancer: one with leukemia and one with Hodgkin's lymphoma. And a third had had a nonmalignant brain tumor.
"Between the chemicals in the air overseas, the shots they give you, and not eating well or sleeping more than four hours a day ... your body just isn't strong enough to fight anything off.
"Right now, it's cancer, cancer, cancer. A lot of these kids, 21 years old, are coming back with cancer. How did they get it? How did it happen to me when I was healthy?" he asked.
In 2005, Sergeant Valentin underwent surgery at Walter Reed. It was during that surgery that the doctors discovered the cancer had advanced. He woke to find himself with a colostomy bag and prognosis of incurable colon and lung cancer.
In contrast to soldiers who have lost limbs to explosive devices in Iraq, who qualify for Traumatic Servicemembers Group Life Insurance injury benefits of up to $100,000, "people like us don't get benefits," Sergeant Valentin said.
"Because cancer is a disease and not a war wound, we don't qualify. No one even knows we're on the oncology ward. The press, celebrities, and politicians go to the third floor when they want publicity shots with the amputee soldiers. But what about the seventh floor, Ward 71, with soldiers that are coming back with cancer?" he asked.
On July 23, Iraq's environment minister blamed "at least 350 sites in Iraq being contaminated during bombing" with depleted uranium weapons for about 140,000 cases of cancer there and for between 7,000 and 8,000 new cases each year.
A U.N. Environment Program report states that depleted uranium poses little threat if spent munitions are cleared from the ground. However, no major clean-up or public awareness campaigns have been reported in Iraq, the report added.
© 2007 The New York Sun
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Show AllKem,
As you requested, I read the minitru post above.
The term depleted uranium is not part of a conspiracy. Natural uranium goes into an enrichment factory and two streams come out: enriched uranium and depleted uranium. The terms natural, enriched and depleted refer to the concentration of U-235 isotope in uranium streams. No deception; Nobody's hidin' nuttin'.
I have worked with uranium for over 40 years. There has always been a clear distinction between external and internal exposure. The regulators are not now, nor were they 40 years ago, confused.
It is true that a great deal of data was collected on the Japanese bombing survivors but that is not the only source of information in setting internal and external safety limits. The prewar radium workers provided a great deal of data for internal exposure. Early uranium miners were studied in great detail, again a major source of data for internal exposure. Exposure to fallout during weapons testing (particularly the mishaps when they got more than they intended) and Chernobyl also provided a wealth of information.
I looked at his reference: umrc.net. It did have some accurate information but they are claiming injury and a certainty of cancer at a dose 1/1000th that permitted by NRC worker standards. If their data were accurate, no uranium worker would ever live to middle age, let alone retirement.
Bill
Aloha from Hilo,
PaulMagil, Kem, Sioxrose,
Please take a few minutes to look at this article and blog about radiation issue in Hawaii printed in late June by a local small newspaper "Catching the Rays". Maybe we can breathe new life into it with some of you're excellent manao (opinion)Just a thought.
http://www.bigislandweekly.com/articles/2007/06/27/read/news/news04.txt
Blogs are an important venue to keep the education alive. Looking at this one and the kind of comments written will give you an idea of what we are up against in Hawai'i.
PaulMagill,
Residents in Hawaii are buying alpha,beta and gamma radiation monitors that have computer print out of the data. To the right of article above is some info on the gamma scout, they cost about $400. I can forward you more info if you need it.
Sioxrose,
The Health stats on Vieques, Puerto has been an important part in my education program. The U.S. Navy was the only polluter for 50-60years over there. Common Sense dicates that the military is responsible for the ill health in the people of Vieques.
Hawai'i can't make that claim. We have other pollution sources... the U.S. Military is just the biggest and totally unregulated.
Chat with all of you later,
God bless all your efforts
Lindafaye
www.protecthawaii.ws
Linda and Paul thanks for the birthday tips... I am getting a massage at 4, and nice dinner with a singular glass of red wine. THAT, my children and the WONDERFULLY inspiring community of C.D are pretty good presents in a world that's facing so much unrest.
LINDA: Thank you for pointing out the "down winders" and don't forget the legacy of the detritus left by the military on Vieques, a Puerto Rico offshore island where cancer rates soared. It's ironic isn't it, that the military with its bloated budget, arguably existing for the DEFENSE of a nation ends up being its executioner? Again, the adage, "he who lives by the sword, dies by the sword" proves itself as metaphysical LAW.
Thank You Paul, I put a blog on the Gore global warming issue tonight about how I felt about nuclear power. Was nice to Billy.
Have a great weekend, we are still stranded on our island, the mountain stream never topped the banks, but it was twenty feet deep and close, it is usually only a foot deep. Suppossed to have T-storms here all week. We still have plenty of food and of course Evie's cat.
This problem with the DU in Hawaii that Linda is having is serious and she needs all of the help she can get. I could not find an e-mail address for Green Peace for her. Can you assist there? Anyone?
I got a 64 Pontiac hardtop now with 47,000 original miles, perfect condition with all of the toys. Quad carbs and the factory, chrome rally wheels. It's a beaut, powder blue and just like new.
If we don't get this DU problem fixed, it will have 47,000 on it forever. That is not funny. Have a great weekend buddy.
Happy Birthday, SiouxRose. Forget the bubble-bath. Try six beers instead OR...AND a bubble bath. LOL
LindaRN: My brothers came up with this little gadget www.nukalert.com but I'm going to start talking to them about a DU detector.
KEM: I used to have a '47 & 1/2 Buick Convertable navy blue w/white interior...cherry! BTW Happy B-Day to you, too (belated). I have my big event this weekend The Carytown Watermelon Festival. This is the fifth year I've planned the music (10 stages, 104 musical acts, 4 months of planning, largest one-day musical event in US, 100,000+ spectators) www.rockitz.net our website. I know I won't have much time to add blogs on DU & other stuff until it's over, but I'll surely be back even if only to give Billy a hard time or more info.
Aloha from Hilo,
xntrk thank-you you are right. But the military dollars fueling Hawai'i economy is a false front. We are trying to educate the residents here that the enormous costs for clean-up of our islands and the rising illness costs out-weigh the short term gain from hosting the military. We have some 789 comtaminated sites, 7 are superfund sites. $400 million was spent to clean-up Kahoolawe (used for target practice from WWII until 1990)and it is not cleaned up. Then there is all the chemical munitions collected in WWII and dumped in the ocean a few miles out(this practice was done on East and West coasts of the mainland too) and after 60 years in the ocean the containers are leaking nerve gases and other horrible stuff. An excellent site about military damage to our beautiful islands is www.dmzhawaii.org some info I duplicated on my web site.
We need a shift in mentality here. We need to look at alernative economy plans. We need term limits on our U.S. Congressmen. U.S. Senator Dan Inouye has brought this pollution down on us. We call him the "one armed bandit" and the "King of Pork". He has been in office for too many years. Medal of Honor or not he needs to retire.
I also have friends working on the counter recruitment issue in our schools another very important area of importance; educating our youth. Some schools it is a requirement to join ROTC. and the "No child left behind" gives the military free access to our children.
Many of us are working on these very important issues; and many are working on it that I don't even know. I understand the huge undertaking it is to do the right thing and question the status quo. The status quo is killing us. I want the future generations in Hawaii to really have a paradise to wake up to. If not now...when?
Again thank-you for your input xntrk write again
Lindafaye Kroll
www.protecthawaii.ws
Aloha from Hilo
Siourose, Happy Birthday from Hawai'i. If you are truely bummed out about this DU horror take a break from it. But only for one day. We need you. Do something nice for yourself, Hot bubble bath, walk in a beautiful park. Whatever brings you joy. One thing that is worse than reading about this plague: looking into the blank eyes of a pro-military audience who just doesn't get it. Our military would never hurt us? DUH? Whew, it's a big job educating people.
Kem Patrick
Mahalo for your help. I would love to see the look on faces of our Hawai'i State public servants when they start getting emails from people from all over asking for DU testing in Hawai'i. They'd better get off their royal butts and do something before Hawai'i has a big drop in tourism which would hurt their pocketbook. The call to action and addresses for the Senators and Reps are on page one of www.protecthawaii.ws
Everyone on this string is invited to sign my guest book so I can keep you informed about the radiation issue in Hawai'i.
Minitru I agree with Kem mahalo (thank-you) for your post. We need all the educators we can get.
We are shaking things up in Hawaii. I thought this string might enjoy the letter to the editor my friend from Kona wrote. Copied with her permission.
Dear Editor
Very happy to hear about a false alarm on one residents radiation monitor interpretation. This is bound to happen on occasion, as many residents are buying their own monitors. I hope the resident doesn't feel foolish that they were reading their monitor wrong, why just last week there was a false alarm by a government agency in five states, including Hawaii, declaring a radiological hazard alert. Even the pros make mistakes. residents will have a lot of time to practice use of their monitors if suspected radiation has a half life of 4.5 billion years. You can't fault residents who never thought they would have to know more about radiation than their dental ex rays, after all, they are doing exactly what the Atomic Energy Commission told them to do as Reported in "The Enemy Within" by Jay Gould. "The Nevada down winders" suits were unsuccessful. Despite winning their case in the lower courts, the Appellate Court ruled in favor of the AEC on the grounds that the US government could not be held responsible. At one point, one of the lawyers for the plaintiffs sent a series of interrogatories to the AEC defense counsel with the following simple question: Who has the responsibility for the safety and welfare of persons and their property near areas of possible fallout? "The AEC answered as follows: " 'It is the responsibility of the heads of families and owners of property to protect their families and their property from possible radioactive fallout."
Mahalo,
Shannon Rudolph
That pretty well sums it up. The head of the household is responsible to protect their families and property from radioactive fallout. Educating the head of house is the first step in taking back our communities, our country and our government.
Aloha for now,
Lindafaye Kroll
There are several DU problems in Hawaii that Linda didn't talk about, perhaps because of a lack of space:
The military brings in more money then tourism or Ag; All the branches are represented, and are on the smaller uninhabited islands [target practice, anyone?], as well as the populated Paradisaical locations, like Oahu;
Clean-up of past weapons dumping from WW2 and Korea hasn't even begun, and many of the ammo dumps are unmapped. That's just part of the Military, Historical, and Economical swamp Paradise is facing.
Add in a couple of decorated War Hero Senators [Congressional Medal of Honor, anyone?] and one of 2 Reps who is also a Veteran, and it's damned difficult to find a loose thread to pull. I have many friends who are worried more about the recruiters then the DU - We can see them, and they greatly resemble wolves and coyotes.
Minitru, that blog you posted may be the most important one here. Thank you, I can't express it that well.
Linda, I thought all of the Common Dreams pages were the same for everyone. Kathyodat is oftern here on strings, when you see her on one, just say hi. I don't have an e-mail address for her. She is a sweetheart though and an excellent writer. Your legistators shoud read the commments posted here by Minitru.
Wow! A cordial welcome then to the LION'S club. That explains your big heart, love of children and amiable flirting with women on this site! You also stated that you've learned more from this forum then many years of formal study... to be OPEN to learning makes you young at heart. Thus to the question, "How old are you?" The apt answer, "My age is none of my business."
I'd be delighted to beam you up baby. Have a great birthday and many mnay more. Mine was the third, you may have guessed I were a Leo.
KEM: It's my birthday (truly) tomorrow... will you wish me a good one, too? All these articles about bombs, war and radiation are bumming me out! Quick! Beam me up, Scotty!
For costs that well exceed fiscal implosion, those sworn to our defense are rendering of the magnificent Eden bequeathed by our Creator a toxic waste dump that will invariably leave no child behind. Where has the nation's sanity, decency, morality, or "right to life" gone?????
This topic should be all over the TV networks! How complacent would US citizens be as to "American idol" and the other pabulum wasteland that constitutes our media, if this particular radioactive truth was vibrating in their minds?
The "adverse health effects" of DU (a total misnomer) are pretty obvious to all who are still able to think for themselves NATO, RAND and WHO found no case for concern because their methodology is totally flawed: 1) It is based on the assumption that external gamma radiation has the same effect on cells than internal alpha radiation, which is nonsense.
Uranium has 3 isotopes: U 238 (99,274%)U 235 (0,719%) and U 234 (0,005%).DU is only depleted in U 234 and U 235 (needed for enrichment), which are less than 1% of the total uranium. The half-life of U 238 is 4,5 billion years.
So "depleted" is just doublespeak to portray it as harmless.
(more information: http://www.umrc.net/du_and_ndu.aspx
THE ICRP model (basis for WHO, NATO, RAND-reports) goes back to the studies of Hiroshima survivors, who were exposed to extensive doses of external (mostly gamma)radiation. As a result, many developed cancer and IRCP relates the numbers to the dose they received and argues that half this dose causes 50% less cancers, etc.The absorbed dose is measured as average energy per unit mass (bodyweight in this case).
But U 238 emits huge amounts of alpha-radiation, which has little penetrating power (is stopped by a sheet of paper) and goes no further than a few centimetres. Outside the body it is no big deal but inside it is a biological catstrophe. DU munition burns on impact at high temperature and 3 types of uraniumoxide in the form of micro-particles are emitted. The particles vary in size and form but a 2 micrometer particle (0.002 mm)is a good example: Because they are so small, inhalation is practically unavoidable (gas masks are useless) and these particles (some are soluble, some not) can get stuck in the lung (alveoli) where they release their huge energy (imagine the decay energy of 200 billion atoms ) into the surrounding cells (disrupting molecular bonds and causing genetic instability) For just one particle the equivalent dose to the local tissue is 1.500 mS per year. (average background radiation: 2,4 mS /year) (Sourc: Dr. Chris Busby, link see below)
On top of that, Uranium is also a toxic heavy metall so we have the combined effects of chemical toxicity and radiological toxicity. A big problem is that uranium mimicks calcium (essential metal)in the body so some particles will be deposited in bone tissue where they bombard the local cells with alphaparticles for years. (>> bone marrow > immunesystem)
More information: http://www.traprockpeace.org/depleted_uranium_hamburg03.html
(for the biochemical effects go to Dr. Chris Busby)
To compare one time external radiation with chronic internal radiation is absurd but an effective method to silence all criticism about DU (and the health risks of "peaceful" use of nuclear energy as well).
The evidence is there: chronic internal radiation wreaks havoc with the immune system and causes irreparable genetic damage(even DNA repair mechanisms are no longer working)which results in a massive increase in cancers (especially in children) and malformations in offspring
If you have strong nerves see the results for yourself:
/WARNING: HORRIBLE IMAGES
http://www.traprockpeace.org/jawad_al-ali_iraq.pdf
(slide 16 -; statistics, slide 24 -; photos of affected Iraqi children / adults)
http://www.rense.com/general70/deathmde.htm (teratogenic / mutagenic effects in Afghanistan)
Contamination with DU particles is a form of silent terror affecting whole generations....
DU dust can be transported many miles by wind and it amounts to a kind of slow genocide.... (hundreds of tons were used in Iraq and Afghanistan,)
Aloha from Hilo,
Kem Patrick my screen is blank on the right and left but the Green peace idea is worth looking into. In a quick goggle I did not find a Hawaii office but will try again later. I would appreciate you forwarding to me any nursing contacts you have, like maybe Kathyodat
The Army has announced it will begin testing the live-fire training ranges in Hawai'i for DU this month. We of course won't believe their findings(the fox in charge of the hen house, so to speak); unless they turn over all data and test methods that can be verified by the leading authorities on low level radiation comtamination, like Rosalie Bertell and Chris Busby. Some of our supporters on this issue in Hawaii are in direct contact with these experts. There is hope and we will continue until we will get to the truth.
Gail August posted earilier about Chelation Therapy, another area I'm interested in researching. There are a lot of claims out there and finding a remedy for this horror that has plagued our planet, our communities, our veterans health and our own survival must be found.
We must rattle the cages of every public servant of every State until all States have legislation to test our troops for DU contamination with a 24 hour urine collection. Spot urine samples are not conclusive.
If anyone here is interested in Helping Protect Hawai'i there are email addresses to key State of Hawai'i legislative chairs on www.protecthawaii.ws home page.
Scroll half way down the page for the email addresses.
Ask these public servants to test for DU in Hawai'i.
Mahalo to everyone on this string for your time and hard work at exposing the truth about DU.
Aloha for now,
Lindafaye Kroll RN BSN
Everyone thinks I'm about 50, but I was a runner (page) for the Democrats at the conventon in Philly when Truman was elected.
I also bought my first Buick from Wilke, a jet black 48 Roadmaster convert with red leather upholstery and an electric seat. Wish I still had it. A big soft rear seat toooo.__ Dang there I go again.
Afraid we got off the subject here. I hope everyone would please write a brief letter about [ DU ] to all of their e-mail contacts and put in the website given by (MaxheMust), the very first comment posted here and the one given by Linda Kroll.
www.protecthawaii.ws/page2.html
Ask everyone to forward it to all of their e-mail contcts and congressmen/senators. Maybe we can get it stopped,__ we'd better.
Great idea Rebel Farmer. I am e-mailing the website that MaxheMust gave us on the first comment posted here, to everyone on my address list. It tells it all. If we all do that, it could set off a chain reaction. I'll ask all of the ones I e-mail, to send it to all of their E-mail contacts.
Billy__ hope you have read that website, it's all you need.
I want to thank everyone on this thread for all the great info. I went to bed last night trying to figure out if there was anything I could do to help educate ALL of the world about the DU threat that is already here. I came up with a couple of ideas:
1. I am going to submit the http://www.bushflash.com/pl_lo.html film to Brave New Films for posting at their new site.
2. Is there any way to get this on Al Gore and Jimmy Carter's radar? These folks could get this issue into the public eye for debate and consideration.
3. Secretary Robert Gates seems to genuinely care about his troops based on his reaction and action to the mess at Walter Reed. Does anyone think he might be an ally on this? Or is it too much of a hot potato?
Just asking if anyone is still on this thread.
I'll check back.
Linda. When you are on this screen, on the right side there is a list of aticles in smaller black and white print. One is Green Peace commeration the 62nd anniversary of Nagasaki. Click on that article and there is a box to click on for contacting them.
Happy birthday Coco, Oh, we still have Evie's cat. We don't have any birds or inscets though, is that because of poison in the air, DU perhaps? I fear it is.
KEM and PAUL
thankyou for your replies. kem you made me laugh out loud and i'm so happy cos it's my birthday today. i could just see evelyn flying out that window. shame about the cat though!!
and thankyou paul for your info. i'm amazed that the people brainwashing us,(well, not us on here obviously!) are as brainwashed too into believing that crap. my only hope is that they come to realise their stupidity and ignorance AFTER they die. (they are not going to realise it now, are they?)
peace.
Billy,
One of the first things I learned about doing research is to always question the veracity of your information source. How credible do you think a DoD report is? Don't you suppose their opinions & studies could be a bit biased? Would they shoot themselves in their own foot by putting out a report that made them criminally liable? Or led to a cut in funding?
Thanks for taking the time to access some sites, but I think you need to dig a bit deeper into some independent studies not linked to anything or anyone in the government.
No Linda I do not, but they are on the intenet and have a website. I don't know if they will answer an e-mail. I'm pretty sure Green Peace would have an office in Hawaii too. Let us know here on this string what you find out, and I'll in the meantime seach the internet also.
Thank you for replying to Billy too. I understand from another wonderful nurse who blogs here, (Kathyodat), that the mercury I played with as a chld was not horribly harmful. I used to put a few drops in water and drink it. I have had four kidney stone attacks during my 71 years. It actually is good for you. There is nothing else to ever fear. Nothng could be worse, except perhaps if a woman gave birth and the baby was wrapped in barbed wire.
Aloha from Hilo
Billy,
Have you or do you know any man who has passed a kidney stone? (They say it is the only pain man will exprience that compares and is similar to a woman giving birth.) It doesn't come out all at once it flakes off in even smaller particles which are strained in every voiding. Stone is still in there causing swelling, pain and blood in the urine.
Now multiply this by millions of tiny particles that are radioactive heavy metals that float around in the body getting lodged in different places. Heavy metals do not break down in water.
Kem, your on the money with this quote:
"Therefore, if a person has inhaled DU and it is attacking his internal body parts and slowly killing, why would the evidence of radiation poisoning, not show up in a pee test? they aren't gettng rid of all the the DU in their urine, it just shows up with a test, same as lead, and any other heavy metal contamination would."
Kem, would you have a contact in Green Peace that I could follow up with?
Aloha from Linda
www.protecthawaii.ws
I was once contaminated with mercury, it showed up in a urine sample. After a cat-scan it was found to be in my prostrate gland. I guess it could be said, I was shooting bullets. Anyway, several small balls of mercury were srugically removed and after, my urine samples were normal.
Now, if I have DU in my lungs and it then travels via my blood stream to say my liver, it coud go anyplace in the body. It shows in a urine sample that I have DU somewhere in my body. It is in my liver, not my bladder and peeing will not remove it. I eventually die from liver cancer.
chchi:
I believe uranium is soluble in oxygenated, mildly acidic water. That is how in situ uranium mining is done. I'll take your word for it being a colloid in urine. The fact remains that it is excreted and no longer part of the body burden.
Kem,
I have been contaminated with uranium several times and it has not caused illness (although you may differ in opinion.)
I don't hate you anymore Billy, I felt bad about writing it. I plead temporary insanity, thank goodness, we were not in the same room. We should never hate another human, especially one who is sick and needs help.
Thank you for sharng the info you read about DU, I read those myself. It is hard to believe, but there are one million, three hundred thousand articles about DU, available on the web. Some are written by denyers and although they sound good, it is similar to the economic figures spouted by the Bush administration. They are not totally true and for reason. Keep reading Billy and consider the sources on both sides of the issue.
I'll let Linda or one who is more informed on pissers to answer the medical question. I will state however, that if a person has used drugs, it shows up in a pee test, the drugs are still frying the pee-ers brains.
Therefore, if a person has inhaled DU and it is attacking his internal body parts and slowly killing, why would the evidence of radiation poisoning, not show up in a pee test? they aren't gettng rid of all the the DU in their urine, it just shows up with a test, same as lead, and any other heavy metal contamination would.
Bill, have you ever sought teatment in a mental health facility? Just wondered. Actually, I love you Bill, if you weren't here we could not bring out so many good arguments, that the use of DU for anything, is the most serious issue facing mankind. Read some more and hurry back. Nite,___ You poor baby, what happened to you?
Billy_y4
Uranium is excreted in the urine in a colloidal form--that is, as particles suspended in liquid.
kaila wrote: "It is not contagious, so there is nothing to worry about." Actually DU is contagious. When a person with DU in his or her body dies and is cremated or buried, the DU returns to the environment. It can then be inhaled by another person or ingested by eating contaminated food or drinking contaminated water. This cycle can go on for billions of years. For more on the contamination of the environment by human-introduced radioactive isotopes see Dr. Helen Caldicott's NUCLEAR MADNESS, or Linus Pauling's harrowing Nobel Peace Prize acceptance speech, SCIENCE AND PEACE. You can find a more technical disussion in most college-level Particle (Atomic) Physics textbooks (you'll need to know a little calculus).
Linda,
Technical question for you as an RN: If the uranium is not soluble, how is it excreted in the urine?
Kem, Paul et al,
Actually got a chance to read a little on DU munitions today. Thought I would share a little of my findings-Kem this will not improve your feelings of affection for me.
Found a paper from Sandia Laboratory. "An Analysis of the Uranium Dispersal and Health Effects Using a Gulf War Case Study SAND2005-4331". There findings included a 1% increase in fatal lung cancer for Category 1 veterans (victims of friendly fire and their rescuers). Category 1 veterans also had an increased risk of kidney problem. Categories 2 and 3, with lesser exposure had no detectable uranium related health problems. They concluded, other than the category 1 veterans, children who play in and around disabled vehicles to have the highest health risk from uranium but they did not have quantitative data on the risk (at least not in the part that I read-this thing is over 200 pages long). The major focus of the report is on veterans rather than the Iraqi population. If you want to read the report for yourself, google the report number and it will come right up.
Found a report "Modeling Exposure to Depleted Uranium in Support of Decommissioning at Jefferson Proving Ground, Indiana LA-UR-96-3907" This is a study of DU risks at an ammunition test site which has been closed. The recommendation is that unexploded ordinance on the site is a greater risk and the general public should not be permitted on the impact range because of it. Deer which graze the impact range are safe to harvest and consume. Portions of the site should be opened during the hunting season. If the unexploded ordinance is removed, the site can be opened to the general public but farming should not be permitted because of the disturbing of the underground uranium fragments and dust. Linda-this study should be directly related to your interests in Hawaii.
Book on the net by Vladimir S Zajic. I think this might be the source of many of the numbers cited by Kem et al:
"...Because military commanders failed to inform their troops about depleted uranium, thousands of soldiers carelessly climbed on or entered DU-impacted vehicles without any knowledge of the presence or danger of DU contamination and without any protective gear, often just because of curiosity. Veteran groups claim that out of 698,000 Gulf War veterans (552,000 deployed during the hostilities), 400,000 may have inhaled, ingested, or incurred wound contamination by depleted uranium dust during combat operations, equipment recovery, and post-war battlefield tours...." Note this quote says 400,000 possibly contaminated out of 552,000-not 400,00 disabled.
"...A mortality study of all 695,500 Gulf War veterans who served in the Persian Gulf between August 1990 - April 1991 and died between May 1991 - September 1993 was conducted by the Veterans Administration (VA). A group of 746,300 undeployed military personnel was randomly selected for comparison. The death rates show a small, but statistically significant, increase of 9% in the risk of death from all causes in Persian Gulf veterans (about 200 excess deaths). However, the increase has been attributed to external causes such as accidents. There was no increased risk of death from medical diseases, including mortality for cancers. The same conclusions have been reached in a similar Department of Defense (DoD) study..."
This quote is a lulu: "...About 500,000 troops were required to take anti-nerve gas pills of pyridostigmine bromide (PB), an experimental drug to counter the effects of potential exposure to chemical warfare agents. PB is more toxic than sub-lethal doses of chemical warfare agents such as nerve gas. It can have serious side effects and interactions when taken in combination with other drugs, vaccines, chemical exposures, heat, or physical exercise. 50 - 60% of soldiers taking PB experienced acute side effects, similar to those of cholinergic syndrome, which results from inhibition of the life-critical enzyme acetylcholinesterase. Pyridostigmine bromide, nerve gas, and organophosphate pesticides are examples of the inhibitors, which cause stunning nerve and muscle degeneration moments after a single dose. Delayed effects can occur 5 or 10 years after exposure to nerve agents...."
Sorry, but I am still skeptical about widespread DU health effects.
About the "Rapture" thing: only the decent, lawabiding, caring, kind, and non murderers are going to be hoisted up to heaven. None of the lice in Washington will make the cut. So take heart; after Rapture day the lice will be without Divine Protection, and those of us still here will get a chance to even the score.
Linda, your press is likely afraid of what would occur if it was big news. Sort of like the fictional story Jaws. Not good for business to advertize the Islands are polluted with atomic waste. The thing there is, it matters not, every place is polluted now. Some plces are worse, none are good.
Again, MONEY TALKS. So damn true. Good luck and please stay in touch.
Flirt Siouxrose? Everyone here knows__ how could you tell. Ahhh of course, ESP. You know that was the first time Evelyn had been out in over five years. She was afraid of flying too.__ A damn shame. Oh well, at least her teeth fit.
We gotta laugh sometimes, this DU subject is not funny at all though, it should be the most serious subject on the planet and I am amazed that so few are aware of it and also amazed at the denials from so many in our world's governments.
The comments posted above about the liability are right on target though. If it was admitted, it would be an admission of guilt of the worst war crimes ever committed by man. It's gotta stop!
I still hate you Billy,__ you sneak.
Linda, Green Peace will probably be delighted to assist you with radiation readings. They have the latest hi-tech monitors which give a digital readout of every type of radiation and what is causing it, uranium 238, plutonium, etc. I doubt the press would ignore them and say it was unskiilled personnel. Has anyone contacted them? Green Peace was there in japan after that earthquake in a flash.
PAULMAGILLSMITH: Thank you for an important analysis of the false sense of impunity held by those that trespass so willingly against their peers from other lands/nations. I hope SIGMA reads this as she seems intent on defending Christianity as if a high portion of its deluded followers are not the very ones rendering this beloved Eden into a veritable Armageddon.
KEM: You are such a flirt! But you warm my heart and I always like hearing from you! By the way, your depiction of putting "Evelyn" to rest is adorable, and would make for a funny short story. When you're not elaborating here in the forum, consider that your (Sioux Rose mandated!) assignment! LOL.
Aloha from Hilo,
Kem Patrick, sorry to hear about Evelyn Smith's untimely demise. I feel bad that your comments made me LOL.
Mahalo for the kind words about me but truely I'm am just scratching the surface of this issue and research. It was the birth defects coming out of Iraq and Afghanistan and Gulf War Vets children that sickenen my heart into action.(No proof, as Billy would like to see, only high suspicions these birth defects are caused by DU munitions and the radioactive DUst fallout) When I got a peak of global problem I was overwhelmed and depressed for weeks.
But when we caught the Military in an out and out LIE about using DU here in Hawai'i, I got really pissed off and had to do something. When I give talks on this subject I always include a disclaimer I am not an expert; I just want to encourage people to do their own research. That's why these blogs are so important; this issue must not be swept under the carpet. Our survival on this planet depends on it.
We have caused an great deal of problems for our Hawai'i State Public Health Department. I believe this is good (It's their job to protect public health) Private citizens in Kona are buying radiation monitors [orders for them are back logged]. One individual recently got a high reading on hers and called 911 and Civil Defense this weekend, which prompted a local news paper to write another Radiation Story in Hawaii. Eventhough they down played the high reading as taken by untrained, unskilled person (which is true) we wouldn't have to do it if the Health Dept. did their job. Mainstream media here and most politicans are Pro-military and it is hard to get them to print or do anything on the issue. I'm one of many residents in Hawai'i very concerned about the biggest unregulated polluter of Hawai'i, the U.S. Military.
Aloha from Linda
www.protecthawaii.ws
We need a King.
Robin Williams for King
Why not? He'd be a lot better than Bush
chchicano -
The courts HAD to come to those conclusions because the United States is a rogue nation with no peer. They would simply ignore the ruling if it were made against their interest, thus invalidating the court itself.
If you don't rule in Caesar's interests, he has you disbanded.
Secondly, any ruling that would find a weapon illegal opens the users of said weapon to civil liabilities that several other nations may have to pay as well, namely the UK and Israel. Those countries, being the biggest bullies on the block, will be darned hard to hold accountable.
May the revolution be as swift as it is peaceful.
Peace to you and yours.
Some seem to believe that the chemicals we dump over Colombia to eradicate the coca plant don't cause cancer, even when presented with case evidence.
Some seem to believe that cluster munitions can be safely used near population centers with acceptable levels of harm to civilians.
Some seem to believe that you can use a nuclear weapon on an "enemy" and that you won't be using it on yourself as well.
Some seem to believe that the United States is the white-hat wearing "good guy" and that it wouldn't subject civilians to white phospherous rounds or Mark 77 fire bombs as they did in Falluja, Iraq in 2004.
Those that believe these things are WRONG.
The question is:
We know that the United States military has broken international law in the past and that they continue to do so today. What are we going to do when the Military experts, the World Health Organization, the Rand Corp (CIA), and NATO all determine that DU ammo is "safe?" (Said conclusion they ABSOLUTELY must come to in order to protect the United States from billions of dollars in liability payments.)
The bottomline is the bottomline. The buck stops a beating heart.
Peace to you and yours.
KEM PATRICK
thank you for your comments. I am certainly not advocating ingesting or inhaling even one particle of DU. What is so nightmarish is that an exploded DU shell releases countless tiny particles and those within a large radius inhale millions of particles. Not to mention the people who have to live where thousands of shells have been expended. Attempts have been made at both the International Court of Justice and the War Crimes Tribunal for Yugoslavia to have these weapons banned and their users declared war criminals. At the War Crimes tribunal, the Judges basically admitted that technically these weapons are chemical weapons, but because NATO's intent in using them was as explosive weapons and not poisoning weapons, they were not legally chemical weapons. How's that for the logic of doomsday!
RE: coco August 7th, 2007 6:00 am
"... but i want to know WHY? why are they doing this? what is their plan? don't they realise they will kill themselves too?"
Good question, coco. There are only two explainations I can surmise.
1) Just like the soldier on the battlefield who believes the bullet will 'get' the other guy they just don't think it can happen to themselves. This aura of invincibility is common among teenagers, but in time most people grow out of it and come to realize we are all born terminal.
2) "We have met the enemy and it is us". In this country there are Christian fundamentalists. According to a poll I saw somewhere about 20-30 % of Christians hold firmly to the belief in the RAPTURE and that we are in the END TIMES. These 'end timers' believe after Jesus comes back they will be taken up to heaven, and the rest of those on Earth will be destroyed. This fatalism leads them not to care what happens to the Earth or their fellow human beings. It's a warped dogmatic belief based on a literal interpretation of the Bible, and every bit as sick as the Islamic fundamentalist's belief that someone dieing while fighting for the cause of Islam will be rewarded in heaven with 72 virgins.
So members of either perverted philosophy don't care, since no matter how dastardly an act they commit against their fellow humans they will be rewarded because they think (without proof except what someone else told them) they are doing the work of their god. In actuality they are doing the work of men who contrived the whole system in ignorance thousands of years ago, and then propagandized the populace thoroughly so they could control them. All of them are deviants from the norm of rational logical thinking.
Unfortunately, BushCo & his crew are subscribers to this belief system, so they don't care about climate change killing several hundred million people, or the potential of DU killing everyone. Because 'someone' told them they have a seat on the bus to heaven they blindly believe it. A bunch of foolish hard-headed idiots if you ask me, but they don't ask anyone really because they think they know.
Google 'the rapture' or 'end times' to get the whole lowdown on this perversion of faith.
Yeah Coco, I replaced Evelyn Smith. She lived up in the attic with her computer and a black, spayed, Persian cat.
Evelyn became so horribly frustrated, because few were taking the DU issue seriously, that one evenig she opened the window and tossed her computer out. Sadly, her nitie got hooked on the cables and she went went with it.__ We're gonna miss her.
I held her in my arms as she whispered her goodbys and final words. She made me promise to carry on with her writings about the dangers of DU. Finally she told me, I could have her false teeth. Those were her last words. She'd been eating one of her home made chocolate chip cookies too.___Yum yum__ good.
The cat? ____ Ohhh, well, she was good too.
Hi there Siouxrose, one of my "hopes" is, we stop using DU for anything. BTW, my first love's name was Hope. the problem was I was five years old and she was twenty two. I was old enough to appreciate a 36-24-34, with beautiful eyes and a great sense of humor. A blond though.
Another hope is, the head shed gang at Common Dreams, don't bury this article in the Archives today.
Neocomnned, thank you kindly for the unnecessary reminder. However, let me remind you of something pal, if there was no controversy about the use of DU, we wouldn't be using it and this article could be put in the archives forever.
Chchicano, great post, thank you for that. One thing, many doctors who are much more qualified than I state, a SINGLE speck of DU in the lung, WILL insure cancer.__ I'm holdin my breath.
HI Coco, howzit goin over there? ___ Never mind, you likely have it worse than we do, keep spreadig the word pal, maybe it will stop being used. (We'd better stop it!)
The wonderful nurse from Hawaii showed up and she really knows the subject. In additon, she's like Cindy Sheehan, she is actually doing something about a problem. Aloha Linda, hope we here can all meet someday,__ I like you as much as Siouxose.
I hate you Billy. Pffftttt.
A commitee for "identifying misinformation?" Where was such a committee anytime a vet was accused, or during alleged tortures?
Our officals should be ashamed. Uranium is a radioactive substance.
Even people who work with radiation in dentists offices are dropping dead at 50.
There were alternatives, they did not have to use this. What about the innocent people?
I bet that is why so many people get sick when the humidity is thick or it rains. All of the particles floating.
Oh yeah, we are safer alright.
HOPE just got a reflex. My best friend is raising her grandson and he is a most bright, wonderful child. He loves my company and last time I visited he had me watch a show on ANIMAL PLANET that showed scientific developments taken directly from biologically ingenious mechanisms deploayed by specific species. I mean wouldn't you LOVE to have the shark's capacity to just rotate a new tooth? Don't you wonder why and how it is that the chameleon can lose his tail and immediately generate another one? What the ancients may have taken for magic, science can sometimes... but not always!!! explain. With that being said, and appropos to this discussion, how come scorpions can survive nuclear tests? What is in their make-up that allows this? I don't know if the mechanisms are compatible with human flesh and genetics, but it's plausible that some element conducive to THEIR adaptation could help us with ours IF this lovely DU stuff is going to be our fairy dust for the next several billion years. LIFE has an interest in its own continuity, and what human beings and nature are capable of often defies the imagination. Although this toxification (poetic license!) of our planet is evidently underway, let us not limit possibilities for what flesh might be heir to! "We are stardust, we are golden and we're caught in the devil's bargain... but we've got to get ourselves, back to the stars..."
(should read have now built into...) sorry!
KEM: It's nice to be called "hope." Gracias. And I thank you for your tireless commitment to raising awareness about this ghastly subject. Can chelation clear our bodies/bloodstreams of DU? When faced with the slow spread of this dread thing produced by professional killers, a/k/a agents of weaponry, all I can to is wonder about human nature; and if mankind survives, do what I can to help educate our descendants that such action NEVER be taken up again. It is so hard for me to understand how it is that the religions of the world developed theoretically modeling after the TEACHINGS of such high spiritual adepts, but degenerated to not only allow, but encourage the pursuit of weapons that do to others what no master could ever countenance, and do it in such an efficient, disgusting way. As the nurse above commented, who can look on children deformed and not get sick inside? Who could observe photos of EXACTLY this, and as several people have commented, the bombs were done in part as a guinea pig operation to witness how they would slowly destroy human beings... how then to NOTE the calamity and elect to repeat the process? These are people without souls is the only conclusion. Several months ago CD published an article that spoke about evil as a viable entity in our world. One can conclude nothing less when intelligent persons (it takes a brain to build these monstrosities, after all) choose to put their energy in the direction of something that is indisputably DIABOLICAL. Pandora's Box has indeed been opened, and we must cling to HOPE. It stuns the imagination to wonder what will save mankind from itself? Can perfect love wipe out what fear/hate/aggression have not built into the human equation. "Let no man tear asunder what God hath joined together." Do you think this adage might apply metaphysically to fission? I look for metaphor where others do not seek it, but as far as I see things, since the split of the atom, human relationships (many) have suffered immeasurably. There is a chasm that only the most gifted or fortunate are able to span... and for a lot of those, prosac or alcohol or other chemical and related diversions merely allot them the illusion that they have successfully done so.
PaulMagillSmith - Billy_y4 - Kem, I need to remind you all - there is NO DU Controversy. It is a fact this shit kills and alters your DNA. Trust me the military already has the data from their own tests completed in 1991 in Iraq. They just won't admit to it - shocking!
I feel the need to post the link from NatureBoy here - this is intense and not for the weak minded either. It is time folks to take back our nation from the criminals - political parties mean nothing since they have been reduced to 2 and both are paid for. It is time. Enough is enough. If this were happening in the Western world their would be outcries of war crimes and such. Our corporate owned media here refuses to tell the real story about what our government is doing in our name.
http://www.bushflash.com/pl_lo.html
For several years I worked in a children's rehab hospital. We cared for many thalidimide babies and children with severe birth defects. There is nothing sadder in this whole world to see children trying hard to adjust to life without arms or legs,or in some cases with neither. To deliberately use anything that would cause defects to children is worse than a war crime. Poetic justice would serve those making war decisions if they were all saddled with the sorry and the expense of deformed children or grand children.
kem patrick, i thought that was you, evelyn smith and then someone confirmed it. anyway, i've just looked at your link to the gov website and guess what, document not found. significant design changes occuring !!!!! very interesting,(but isn't about time you got the children to bed lucy??) and wow, you met my hero jacques cousteau and i believe he knew what he was talking about. and i know he said the earth has 50, 100, max 150 years to go. it's really scary about the insects and bees and birds and yes, that has to be an indicator of the seriousness of the problem. but what really is causing it? is it climate change or du. either way, it makes no difference i suppose. we are still f.....cked. but i want to know WHY? why are they doing this? what is their plan? don't they realise they will kill themselves too? rhetorical questions here kem. i've watched the videos suggested. all great. but worthless unless everyone on the planet sees them. how do we do that?? but keep up the good posts everyone. and peace and joy to all.
RE: Billy_y4 August 6th, 2007 10:21 pm
"Kem,
Because of the DU controversy, I do think it would be wise to do urinalysis on all troops exiting Iraq and Afganistan for uranium. It would provide a good data base to clarify the extent of exposure to uranium and, if the soldier were later to become ill, provide a point of reference."
Billy, this is about the most sensible & reasonable thing I think you have said in all our contentious debates about nuclear issues. It's always good to have a 'devil's advocate' around to keep the discussion honest & factual. Keep asking the hard questions and maybe we will all learn from the experience.
So how much proof do you need, Billy, to finally admit DU is a nuclear WMD, deadly, and very lethal to all manner of life forms? Your obstinance is going to kill you, your family, and all those you care about. Do you care, or will you put the money people are paying you to defend an indefensible position (or your pride) above the 'prime directive' of survival? Where will you hide when the world is thoroughly polluted & poisoned? I say BUSH FOR PRESIDENT...of Mars, but are you going to go with him? Where can BushCo & all the billionaires he has created go if life is unsustainable on this planet? They, and you, will die here just like the rest of us if we keep doing what we have been doing, and don't call a halt immediately to this madness. Get a grip, man, come to the reality of the situation.
RE: Billy_y4 August 6th, 2007 6:51 pm
Billy, I can't find the file about Agent Orange & the Manhattan Project right now since it is in my other laptop & I have just moved. Another time for sure, but in the meantime here is some stuff about DU that definitely sprang from the Manhattan Project. Forget Agent Orange for now. It doesn't have the potential to eradicate life on this planet like DU.
"Before a new weapons system can be used, it must be fully tested. The blueprint for depleted uranium weapons is a 1943 declassified document from the Manhattan Project.
Harvard President and physicist James B. Conant, who developed poison gas in World War I, was brought into the Manhattan Project by the father of presidential candidate John Kerry. Kerry's father served at a high level in the Manhattan Project and was a CIA agent.
Conant was chair of the S-1 Poison Gas Committee, which recommended developing poison gas weapons from the radioactive trash of the atomic bomb project in World War II. At that time, it was known that radioactive materials dispersed in bombs from the air, from land vehicles or on the battlefield produced very fine radioactive dust which would penetrate all protective clothing, any gas mask or filter or the skin. By contaminating the lungs and blood, it could kill or cause illness very quickly.
They also recommended it as a permanent terrain contaminant, which could be used to destroy populations by contaminating water supplies and agricultural land with the radioactive dust.
The first DU weapons system was developed for the Navy in 1968, and DU weapons were given to and used by Israel in 1973 under U.S. supervision in the Yom Kippur war against the Arabs."
And yet another comment from another source (easily Googled):
http://www.awakenedwoman.com/moret_nuclear.htm
"In May, 2003, the United States dumped 2,200 tons of depleted uranium on Iraq, according to reliable sources, and it's logical to assume that more depleted uranium is being employed in the current attacks on Faluja that began April 8 to put down Iraqi resistance to the American presence there.
According to independent geoscientist Leuren Moret, the war on Iraq - like the war on Afghanistan - is a nuclear war. "Depleted uranium is a nuclear weapon and it is a weapon of mass destruction under the U. S. government's definition of weapons of mass destruction," Moret says.
The Pentagon has repeatedly denied that DU is harmful, despite the symptoms of half the returning veterans from the first Persian Gulf Wars who are now disabled. But researchers have shown that the Pentagon has been fully aware of the consequences of what is called "low level radiation" since 1942, when depleted uranium was first suggested for development as a military weapon under the Manhattan Project."
It is not contagious, so there is nothing to worry about.
Three comments
1) There seems to be some confusion about what the term "isotope" means. Several persons commenting on this article seem to be using it to mean particle. Actually, an isotope is a variant form of a particular element. Some elements have several variants with different atomic weights. Each of these different variants is the result of different numbers of neutrons in the atoms of the element. Some isotopes are "stable" i.e. non-radioactive, some are "unstable" i.e. radioactive. The naturally-occuring isotopes of uranium are all radioactive. Uranium 238 is the isotope of uranium with an atomic weight of 238.
2) While it is true that Uranium 238 is harmless unless ingested (since it emits only alpha particles which cannot penetrate the skin), most depleted uranium contains minute amounts of uranium 235, which emits gamma rays which can pass through the whole human body as well as just about anything but lead. Gamma radiation destroys the chemical bonds in the body's proteins--for example, its DNA, causing cell death, sterility, and cancer. Theoretically, at least, this means that one might receive a harmful dose of radiation just by being around depleted uranium in a solid form. However, as many others have noted, even uranium 238 can cause radiation poisoning if ingested or inhaled. It would probably take more than one small particle to cause health problems, since all of us breathe in a small number of particles of naturally occurring Uranium 238 during our lifetime, as have our ancestors for as long as humans have been around. There is DEFINITELY a health risk if you breathe in a lot at one time, however, or breathe in a little over a long time. The biggest problem is that nobody knows what a safe level is for ingested or inhaled Uranium 238.
3) It is also important to note that uranium left in the environment forms compounds that are toxic, in addition to being radioactive. If you ingest or inhale a uranium salt, even if the radiation doesn't kill you, uranium toxicity may.
I hope the members of our government wind up before the War Crimes Tribunal [specifically called to hear the cases from Iraq] and are convicted and hanged like the Nazis at the end of WW2
And I am against the death penalty...
Maybe we should just ship them to Guantanamo and practice some of the interrogation techniques perfected by these maniacs!
Aloha all from Hilo,
This is another very distrubing article. In Hawai'i there has been 3 legislative bills in two years to test our Hawai'i Nat'l Guard for DU. They have failed or stalled. We'll be trying again next year.
I don't put yellow ribbon magnets on my car. But I do want to PROTECT our Gulf War veterans and see them get proper screening and health care if and when they need it. I know some states have this legislation in place already. There is so much disinformation coming from the military we must reach out and educate more of our veterans.
Billy_y4
I firmly disagree with you about your comments: "Uranium is water soluble; depleted uranium in sea or river water would not long remain as particulates."
Comparing natural uranium or natural (solid form) depleted uranium U238 and depleted uranium munitions is comparing apples and oranges. Once DU munitions are launched, catches fires and explodes on impact burning through anything; it changes the DU into a ceramic glass; a microscopic particle that is still a radioactive heavy metal but is not NOT WATER SOLUBLE. That's why Gulf War I Veterans urinate DU 10 years after their exposure, like Doug Rokke for one.
Kem
Glad to see you here working hard to spread the truth about this DU monster plague.
Go to www.amoralamerica.info and download or read (for free) the DU chapter that starts on page 264.
Who owns the uranium mines Galen? Check it out and stop feeling guilty.
Folks, Billy up there, always writes in a very pleasant, sane and sensible manner. He is as smooth as silk, or an insurance salesman who knows his company will beat the odds and earn a very nice profit on the policy he is hawking to you. Not to besmirch insurance sales people, but they are good at selling. So is Billy__y4. Bill never angers, never loses his cool and he lies like a Nixon/Bush combo. That is to make me and others look bad to the reader, for we are angered in replys to him, because the subject is so deadly serious and he shrugs it off with his deception and half truths. Like the "Great Deciever". Do not allow him to decieve you. Go to Google and ask for depleted uranium and read the articles.
Here is an excellent one and it does work. Read it all and see if you agree wth the author, who has nothing to gain by lying.
www.protecthawaii.ws/page2.html
Hide Behind, you are right. I was researching the declassified material on Castle-Bravo in '54. My conclusion is that they knew what would happen. If you read the reports, you can see the regret that they did not have a laboratory control group, so they had to measure the effects by extrapolating the pre-bomb birth rate and infant survival rates against the post-bomb birth and survival rates to figure out what the actual effects were. They felt that the pre-bomb records on an isolated island were far too casual for accurate scientific data.
I have never been able to read that through to the end. The cold callousness makes me weep, and I am seventy, an atomic veteran and have seen it all. If you read between the lines, the Rongalapese were lab rats. Techs came to the island in exposure suits and took rad readings, then evacuated them TWO DAYS later.
Billy, I am cetain that all of the articles I have read on the web are wrong when they give the figure of 2/3 of the first Gulf War vets are permanently disabled, there are a lot of lying scientists and doctors.
If dunking depleted uranium in water will stop it from being radioactive, render it harmless, why do we store thousands of tons of it in nuclear waste dumps? the natural uranium in sea water was not burned, DU in fired ammo has been burned. You are wrong with your comments and you shoud be ashamed. obviously ___ you are not.
What is appalling to me as a Canadian is that the majority of the processed uranium that goes into the various reactors and becomes DU unfortunatley comes from Manitoba. So, we are guilty of genocide by proxy.
Yay us.
A friend of mine went to an event at Venice Beach on Memorial Day this year and there were soldiers there speaking at an event. After they finished speaking, as people were mingling and talking, my friend confronted one of the soldiers about the use of depleted uranium munitions in Iraq. The soldier said, "They told us it would only affect the Iraqi's."
My friend looked at him hard, then the soldier got a stupified look on his face and said, "Oh....right."
How many different ways can you spell DUH?? Notice the DU in DUH??
On another note....I spent some time this evening watching Dr. Wayne Dyer. After many troubling days reading Commondreams articles and comments, (and adding my own to the mix), his wise words helped me immensely. His newest book is called "Change Your Thoughts....Change Your Life". Now, I realize all of us changing our thoughts won't help the fact that our government/military has poisoned the Earth forever with depleted uranium....
Which brings me to the other program I watched. It was the HBO special about our bombing Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Japan with atomic bombs in World War II. It's called, "White Light/Black Rain: The Destruction of Hiroshima and Nagasaki".
There were many survivors interviewed in the course of the documentary. At one point a woman, who was around 12 at the time of the bombing said, "I had to choose between two kinds of courage. The courage to live, or the courage to die. My sister stepped in front of a speeding train. She had the courage to die. I tried and I couldn't do it. I had the courage to live."
All of us on these pages need to find the courage to live. To live the lives we were sent here to live. For me, that is to try to right what those in positions of power have made drastically wrong. Not only for us, but for those we love and all those we have harmed and killed, and for all the future generations who are still unborn.
If we can only get over the shame.
Kem,
Because of the DU controversy, I do think it would be wise to do urinalysis on all troops exiting Iraq and Afganistan for uranium. It would provide a good data base to clarify the extent of exposure to uranium and, if the soldier were later to become ill, provide a point of reference.
In eqrly 1960's a young enelisted man after undergoing nuclear warhead trang and computer guidance systems was sent to an Iairborne Division in he south US of A to show and be able to arm an Honest John missle , realy more of a larger rocket and used as an artillary piece. Attached but not assigned he soon finds he is out of a job, Honest john becomes gone so assigned to a Chemical Biological and Radoictive group, crossed deusch bags on his lapels( realy beakers an inside joke as was the job because they put old deuschje bags in it who wouldn't be good for anything else.
Once when going through records he finds nuclar biological and chemical reocrds. some dating before WWII including nuke, and begins to read.
Today he sat with spouse and wateched Nuke story on Japan and as it went on he added comments of what was being left out for his wife to better understand, right down to how military helped pay for plastic surgery so they could further studyt subjects and why most irradiated people got no help by Japanese or US immediately after event: too study effects upon populaiton as to how long it took them to ide, amount of effort to nurse and feed, but not to extend their lives except in smaller test cases.
Later as secret rating grew he read of test upon US subjects in 50'sd including military prisoners ansd civilian or even active military volunteers.
He read fo what to tell the troops, and how to convince those who volunteeered that yes death was a possavbility but unlikely when they knew well it was a death sentence.
Tehn he also read of radiaton effects upon humans from the time of Maddame Curie until evven the limited exposure upon those at work in the 40's.
We knew pretty well before hand what effects of radiation would be and with the mathematics we knew just about the explosive efects and amount of material sent upwards and how high.
He read about the chemicals used and under study from WWI the Brits in Iraq in the 20"S, mustard gas and a couple of others, the Germean of pre war and the American post war usage upon volunteer prisoners promised reduced sentences to study effects and treatmetns and of the unauthorized ones as well. He read of stockpiles and amounts if they were needed and the types under developeemnt.
He became so good at hsi trade that during a nation wide war game of all serivces he was the only enlisted man in the planning Blue Room qand responsible for showing range and weather conditons that cuased damage here and when to use there of chemical rdiolobgical and biological weaponty and later to train national guard Chem warfare students.
From a realtive who took part in Hanford releases and New Mexcio studies he learned more and so disgusted did he become he volunteered to go to Viet Nam as a grunt.
He survived that green hell but always since befroe that time he knew his own country had devils within it who could make life hell not just for our enemies but for our own peoples they used as human gueine pigs.
They lied to the young men, made him promise to lie also, and they even lied to most of our political powers.
Powers that took one very brave man who released the Pentagon Papers to show cracks within the system that to this day majority of people do not like to read because they will not want to confront their ideas of a benign government.
Too bad!
they lied to their kids, got them killed in Viet Nam and made them beleive that killing a peasant in Latin America or even a fellow american but a nun was worth the price of protecting their military leaders over the morals and Rights of their own peoples until today we end up with warriors who love the killing supported by hordes of peoipole80% are support staff, who say well it is just a job and it does pay well and to never question the military and the powers they represent.
Then one reads that WWIi was indeed an enforced and planned war on Japan and that the dropping of a NUke was nto so much to end Jpanese war, they had already made three request for ending but to impress upon or Soviet
Comrades to not mess with us because we had the Nuclear Bomb.
Power is its own justifier and has been long before today in this country and yet the people continue to elect their countrys and soon to be Irans executioners.
"Oft times, the words of an old sage began, knowledge of an act of violence even if you are not the perpetrator will kill you before your assassin can strike; for your heart may already be dead."
Each day I wonder if this nations heart is still alive or not.
DU becomes lead after nine billion years.
Kem,
Sorry my post was so distressing. I happen to disagree with you and believe that massive disability of veterans by DU poisoning is urban legend. I have not seen any scientifically sound data saying otherwise.
I do believe that a large number of veterans of Gulf Wars 1 and 2 are ill. I just haven't seen solid data to say that it is uranium rather than another environmental toxin. Oil tars released by the fires during the first war are a very powerful carcinogen and mutagen.
I did make a mistake in my post: Seawater contains 3 parts per billion of uranium, not 3 parts per million. Natural uranium (as found in seawater) is 99.3% U-238. Depleted uranium is 99.7% U-238. There is not much difference. Uranium is water soluble; depleted uranium in sea or river water would not long remain as particulates.
I have read several links from CD on the DU subject and the authors have rather consistently blurred the discussion of DU munitions with other environmental toxins; injury and death from the WW2 atomic bombings of Japan; and fallout from the accident at Chernobyl. I have read documents containing a great deal of passion (like much of this string). I have no problem with passion; it is just not a substitute for accuracy and truth.
Your latest link does not work by the way.
Siourrose, you are hope. At least whenever I read your comments, I feel much better.
There is a California based company that plans to seed a large area of the South Pacific with iron dust, to feed the phytoplankton. There are other scientists who are afraid of the plan. Of course, when scientists play with nature, anything may happen and usually it isn't good happenings.
Our nephews and nieces live in Florida and after WW11, my two brothes once had a camp deep in the Everglades. They were naturalists and loved to relax out there. They owned a small aircraft overhaul facility and once customized a seaplane, a Catalila or CAT, for Jacques Costeau. When he and his family came to town it was a swell time. We went out on the Calipso twice and saw then what humanity was doing to our oceans. Costeau gave us sixty years to stop polluting the oceans and clean it up, that was about forty years ago. Costeau was a scientist, an inventor, a writer, a seaman, a pilot and an explorer. He was a swell guy too. He warned us___ but few listened. One of my favorite books was his, "The Ocean World".
If we believe in a God, and I won't get into religion here, except to state I do, and that I have a firm belief, due to an experience we once had, that we do have hope. In the meantime, things are going to get very nasty on our rare and once beautiful blue and white water planet. The only water planet known to exist in the entire, endless universe is Earth. Humanity is destroying it and doing so as fast as we possily can. __Sad.
I guess because today is the anniversary of one of the worst atrocities ever committed. How quickly Japan and Vietnam forgave the U.S. only to become its partners in trade, all in salutation to mammon. Is it even comprehensible that after SEEING what the bomb did to HUMAN beings, our military could say, "Gee! That was great. Let's do it again! Let's design more!" I cannot imagine the type of mind that can look into the abyss and see so much suffering, and from that conclude it is worth doing more of same. When Christ said "Go and sin no more," that was a spiritual commandment. How could the U.S. as the richest nation in the world squander its bounty in the furtherance of weapons that cast such widespread misery? And atop this, it's a "religious" nation? My God, the spiritual schizophrenia is breathtaking!!!!
That's exactly the point of reference that the armed forces want to make sure never exists.
The Hiroshima article posted today made me cry, just thinking about all the deformed children and how it is that human beings put their intelligence to making weapons that can distort life to such an inhuman extent?! In any case, to take in so much pain (via empathy) my psyche flashes to other possibilities. It's interesting that in the story of Pandora's Box the ONE gift left for mankind is HOPE. I do not question the seriousness of the DU or Plutonium particles. And it's likely that MANY will know cancer or pass mutation onto the next generation. I can almost see in my head pictures that resemble a bad sci-fi flick of the aberrant body forms, heads with 3 eyes, bodies with an extra limb, etc emerging. BUT... there are and have been stories of adepts in India who could drink poison and experience NO effect. Their bodies, a kind of Zen version of biology, let the toxic substance just pass on through. There were people who walked among those stricken by the Plague, but did not become ill. Certainly I am not advocating for this atrocity already in slow motion, but the part of me that resonates with HOPE believes some will manage to survive, and is it possible that our DNA will adjust to radiation exposure? It's NOT a good thing, but isn't it possible that a small percentage of human beings will somehow manage to avert the effects? I cannot picture Divine Intelligence allowing an end to this marvelous long-term experiment in evolution that led to mankind, the creature gifted with free will, if the "free" will of the worst threatens the beauty and grace of those that came to this world to learn more about love, an understanding of their fellow beings, and to marvel at the incredible textures of mountains, streams, clouds, and the WONDERS given to us by CREATOR... a gift that has been passed to us for sound stewardship. Have the most care-less among us really poisoned everything? I cannot take that in and still live and breathe. It is a cancer, and it may be spreading, and the US had NO right to perpetrate this slow murderous crime on others... but I cannot accept that it will kill all human beings, or all plankton, or all life. How can we entertain any hopes if we believe that? Maybe some giant sun spot activity will create a vacuum that sucks all those particles back into itself (yeah, I know, that one IS sci-fi)... I have to imagine an escape clause!
Billy __y4:___ Don't put out your bull shit about such a damn serious subject. The DU-238 uranium isotpes are so small, nothing made, except perhaps labratory filters will trap them. Stop your over educated sounding crap and read the scientific evidence about DU written by men who understand what they are writing. Go back to your atomic energy work place, get your blood money and sniff a few specks of DU dust and tell us it's safe.
Read this you puffed up solipist. I don't know how people like you can stand to show your face to your families.
http://usinfo.state.gov/media/archives/2006/jan/12-623470.html
These atrocities being perpetrated on US citizens and foreigners alike are the responsibility of every single person!
Stop paying your taxes; without which rogue governments are POWERLESS!
Rebuild your communities!
Neoconned, a tank shell is ten pounds of solid DU, a 30mm cannon shell is 3.5 pounds of solid DU, a 30cal bullet is solid DU. It is a false statement, made year ago by the DOD, that that DU ammo was 'tipped' with DU they are almost solid DU.
The bunker buster bombs are over a hundred pounds of DU. We have fired off thousands of tons of DU since the late 70s, much of it right here in the states. A SINGLE micoscopic speck entering your lungs will eventually kill you!___ Dead! It kills children faster, their immune systems are not as developed as adults. DU attacks the human immune system too, forgot to mention that.
It is impossible to clean up DU dust. It would be like vacumning the entire country, and the filter bags wouldn't contain it anyway. This is the most serious problem humanity has ever encountered. Number ONE problem. We are permanently KILLING all life on this little blue and white, one of a kind water planet. The only water planet known to exist in the entire universe is Earth__ and hunanity is destroying it.__ Fast too.
Will DU kill off the Phytoplankton in our oceans? We better pray it dooesn't. Those trillions of tiny plants produce 70 % of our oxygen and something is killing them off and no one knows what it is. I will correct myself there. It is now 60%, the ammount of oxygen produced by phytoplankton dropped ten percent since 1975. Because their numbers have dropped ten percent. It is a "rather" serious problem, no matter what is killing them.
Billy__y4. It has taken you a long time, but you have finally done it.___I hate you.
Psst. As for missing weapons who knows but as for supplying others with thrid world munitions it is a common practice and even making up story about AK's in Nicaragua they haad bought from Yugoslavia under Regan.
Aslo the weapons used to day by Ethiopeia were bothg tby U S permission, though illegal under Un charters and US was from N. Korea and Iran.
The Islamics got their weapons from same sources that we supplied in balkans to cause civil unrest.
We supplied the Aghans with money to buy arms from Iran, and China to kill Russians while we supplied the higher tech munitions heavy stuff beyond iranian mortars.
Anyone out there with exposure to high levels of lead contaminants should seek out Doctors who use CHELATION THERAPY. This therapy was used many years ago for people working in the lead and battery and paint industries; and children who ate lead paint chips from the window sills, etc. of old homes were also treated with chelation to rid their bodies of the deadly lead.
It worked then, and it works now! Your insurance company will not cover this therapy but the cost is minimal and could save you from suffering many years of acute illness.
Words escape me. I'm going out to the whipping tree. Seems to be all the fuck anybody can do about it. Isn't that right Congress?
When are the depleted rods pulled from the chambers?
When they decrease output to below 50% of time when first inserted.
This is not depleted exposure levels but by energy levels needed to produce.
In almost 15% of cases of this reprocessed uranium the amount of radiation coming out front end is at level of that at back end, that 15% is extremely hazardous to life and limb and it is not carted away but coninues on in the process, spread out in hopes it further delutes by percentage of bad to good material.
Same as they did with autos who polluted by parts per million so how did they claen it up they just added more air to knock down the harmfull per cent.
DU and Uranium is not oxides fronm an auto exhaust.
Instead fo just listening to some on hwo harmfull this is go to soem of the sites listed and their links and even e-mail the authors.
Remeber the US government Security Intelligence and Penatgon under Executive ordrs, along with your GOP neocon or religous wahckos partys hires bloggers for disinformation.
I went through this after the Nam with the same denying bureaucrrats and sycophant politcal droolers as we have today over Agent Orange and later all they did was change color, to purple, and then use it in Mexico, Latina America, and along railroad tracks plus rural highways in the Good OL US of A.
They wouldn't kill you deliberately just plead they did it ignorantly is all.
"Asked what he thought had caused his tumor, Sergeant Frenzel offered several possibilities. "I think Saddam had a lot more advanced chemical programs than what was originally suspected," he said. "I was exposed to daily oil smog. Iraq burns straight nonprocessed crude oil, and the smog was horrific. The water was contaminated, and we were bathing and washing our clothes in it.""
Note: "The water was contaminated, and we were bathing and washing our clothes in it."
Haven't we spent untold $$Billions on no-bid contractors who were and are supposed to take care of our military? Why was our military bathing in contaminated water? Where the hell was Halliburton and the other contractors this Executive Branch hired to take care of our military?
Folks,___ please do not take MY word as gospel, or Paul M. Smiths or any others here who are only repeating what top level scientists say are the facts. Read the articles or websites offered. Water does not nullify the danger of DU-238 uranium isotopes. Nothing except time will kill it and the time is at least four billion years. Some uranium is not deadly.___ Some is.
Maybe Uranium 238 (depleted Uranium) can enter the skin after it disintegrates into another radioactive element. DU gives off alpha particles, a very energetic Helium 3 atom. But it then becomes a different radioactive element which may give off the more deadly beta particle (a very energetic electron). this one, in turn gives off another particle for maybe 5 to 7 different elements until it finally becomes a stable particle, namely Lead. And I am none too keen on lead, either.
Think about this, folks: Hitler only killed about 6 - 12 million. Bush/Cheney/Millitary-Industrial complex could wipe out 6 billion.
When 2/3s of the first Gulf war vets are either sick or dead after only serving 100 days in Iraq, what are the chances of survival for all those service people with multiple and very lengthy tours of duty in Iraq today?
http://www.ericblumrich.com/pl_lo.html
That's an old one, but a good one..very powerful statement on DU....
Paul,
Agent Orange came from the Manhattan Project??? What is your reference for this claim?
In your list of organizations and governments conspiring to hide the 'truth' of widespead DU poisoning, you may want to include the German and Netherland governments who found no evidence of uranium poisoning in the Balkans. (This was at a time when the German government was adamantly antinuclear.)
iowarish:
Natural seawater contains uranium at several parts per million. Depleted uranium is no more hazardous than natural uranium if dissolved in water (actually it it less because the amount of radioactivity is lower).
Kem:
No gas mask can stop uranium dust? A gas mask might not stop it but a good dust mask will.
Truth should not be a victim of political passion.
Sorry folks but the people who are getting sick from DU are all volunteers, excpet for the Iraquis, Afghans and now the Somlais yemenis and Phillipinos.
the 1990's was not the world of 1945 through 1950's when dumb and dumber were sefving in the military and believed radiation was good for you and that your government would never lie to you either and the effects of DU were known, as was the disorder of Delayed etc etc before the majority of these military folks even joined.
That the military had let die thousands of viet era men and let their children be born deforemd or denied medical help to not just a few hundred thousands but over a million claims was also known.
Our pilots for over 16 years have lived the good life of no danger from ground forces and enjoyed the killing fields in Iraq and Afghanasitan and if by chance they have killed or injured many hundreds of thousasnds of their own tropops well lets chalk it up to friendly fire.
Our artillary and tank crews got a blast out of blowing up empty tanks rtrucks and armored personell carriers the Iraqui Army parked conveniently alongside roads empty of course instead of fighting US military and every dead Irtaqui from one of theose shells was cheered on its way and when it hit.
No I shed my tears for the people not of our United States and those in Iraq who had plead to the white world of Eurocentircs for the over 500.000 deths of children under age of 8 and no American other than a traitor or unpattiotic person was mentioning.
I also will shed tears for the children born with defects of those munitons here in states but with no more emotion greater than those innocnets in Iraq and elsewhere in world who have and are being born daily form USA actions.
DU was noted at very beginning fo Balkans by all of Euro countires and later denied under US pressure.
To think that anyone can vote for the people in power Demcoratic and Republican partys and all their corproate lobbyist and ass kissing mebers in chrucehes and offcie buildings within the huge bureaucracys they lead; without thinking of the horrendous slaughter they have unleashed not just upon foreign but upon their own people , has to be either saidism unreigned or group insanity.
DU and DEATH... Ya THINK??
(duh!)
See this important video on the matter:
http://www.bushflash.com/pl_lo.html
Thanks, Kem, you're flattery is too kind. Actually I prefer to think of it like Einstein stated, "Genius is 10% inspiration, and 90% perspiration".
RE: time4peace August 6th, 2007 4:58 pm
"Actually, I believe it is also absorded...(I assume you meant absorbed)"
You can safely handle a chunk of DU for awhile (I wouldn't feel comfortable doing it too long, though). It burns when flying in a projectile, and vaporizes into an airborne areosol particulant upon striking something. It invades the body as a piece of flak or through the lungs, works its way through the body to other organs, or is passed out through waste products of urine & feces.
The smaller the particle the more difficult it is to dislodge. Through semen it can be tranferred from a returning male soldier to his female partner, polluting her also. I'm not sure of the implications of transferring it orally by means of kissing or oral sex, but it is important to remember all indications are (at the moment anyway) it can be considered innocuous outside of the body. If anyone finds any information to the contrary please post it.
This doesn't mean, however, that it cannot wreak havoc on lesser life forms in a solid state, and it is claimed capable of killing organisms down to a microbial level. They don't even have lungs, so I would suspect there are other means of transfer.
Here's a scary thought. Suppose it alters the DNA of some virus we have no defense for.
Depleted Uranium is nulcear waste from power plants that the military discovered could be used as armor piercing tips for munitions. Problem is that when they penetrate an object it gioves off a small cloud of radioactive dust. For a single bullet fired the amount is really nothing to be concerned about anywhere. The problem is that on a normal battlefield millions of rounds are fired off, sometimes billions. Soldiers from the first Gulf War experienced this in the form of Gulf War Syndrome. A nice phrase created to distract us from the reality of it all. I say we take Cheney and drop him in a cooling tank at 3 mile Island for a weeks free vacation. He'd probably screw up the water somehow. Or send the First family a nice set of dishes made of DU with pictures of the countries they have bombed and raped. Rob a bank - do 20 years - grow marijuana - do 20 years - steal a pension from thousands of taxpayers - get a Presidential Appointment or Pardon or whatever is necessary to keep you in the game. Send men and women to war based on a pack of lies and half truths - make millions for you and your friends. Pretending you have done nothing wrong - priceless.
Welcome to the United States of Criminals.
RE: libertas fugit August 6th, 2007 3:52 pm
"This is slightly off topic, but my wife just came in raging over this morning's headlines that the Pentagon has "lost" a shipment of 190,000 small arms, shipped to Iraq."
Actually, it's not as off-topic as you might imagine, libertas, since these issues are related. The Pentagon has a history of 'losing' war materials. In fact, the day before 911 (Sept 10, 2001 to be exact), an article came out stating the Pentagon couldn't account for $2.3 Trillion (not typo, that's with a 'T') in military supplies. Bang!!! 911 happens the very next day and attention is distracted. Convenient timing, wouldn't you say?
The events of 911 give BushCo the excuse to go to the Middle-East and shoot DU all over the place, and uncovering the 'missing' $2.3 Trillion could be the real cause of 911. Even since then the Pentagon has not had a full & complete audit.
Did those 190,000 weapons really go to the middle east, or were they ordered, paid for with taxpayer dollars, not delivered at all, and someone in the MIC (military industrial complex), (after bribes & pay-offs of course) just pocket the money?
Time4peace: What!!!??? No!!! There is NO cure and don't think that.
Read the articles in the web sites I put on the second comment here. In solid form, the radiaton from DU will not penetrate human skin. When it is inthe isotope form and in the lungs, the radiation kills human cels and causes cancers and alters DNA.
The altered DNA can also be passed onto a fetus.
Am I ever glad to see another swell person show up here. Paul M. Smith, who is a retarded genius, got me started on my DU kick. I wrote a novel which related the dangers of plutonium and I didn't know about DU until recently.
Plutonium is perhaps deadlier than DU, but most of that poison is strictly controlled. There are only a thousand tons or so of plutonium missing, presumed to be LOST in the industrial process. Please read these web sites offered by the bloggers, and pass the word. Of course, no one wishes to hear it. Take Care all.
P/S, Paul is a genius, he won't say it though.
Actually, I believe it is also absorded, so not breathing, and held long enough, might be the cure!