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Veterans' Rare Cancers Raise Fears of Toxic Battlefields
WASHINGTON - In the wake of an Iraqi official last month blaming America's use of depleted uranium munitions in its 2003 "Shock and Awe" campaign for a surge in cancer there, the Defense Department is facing an October deadline for providing a comprehensive report to Congress on the health effects of such weapons.
The report is required by the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2007, which President Bush signed into law last year.
The request for the study is an outgrowth of claims by Iraq war veterans that exposure to depleted uranium and other toxic substances there has negatively affected their health and that, therefore, their illnesses should be recognized as war-related and the treatment covered by the Veterans Administration.
Currently, the State Department's Web site says fears about adverse health effects of depleted uranium, or DU, are "unwarranted," and it lists worries about DU under a section called "identifying misinformation."
The site says the American military uses the material in ammunition "to take advantage of its unsurpassed ability to penetrate armored vehicles," and it cites four separate studies - by NATO, the Rand Corporation, the European Commission, and the World Health Organization - that found no evidence of adverse health effects from depleted uranium.
Even so, worries persist. According to Rep. Jim McDermott, a Democrat of Washington who pushed for the report from the Pentagon, "There are countless stories of mysterious illnesses, higher rates of serious illnesses, and even birth defects. We do not know what role, if any, DU plays in the medical tragedies in Iraq, but we must find out."
Modern wars have produced a number of specific medical complaints, ranging from "Gulf War Syndrome" - a group of immune disorders and cancers whose connection to service in the 1991 Persian Gulf conflict is being studied - to the long-term effects of a defoliant, Agent Orange, for which some Vietnam veterans obtained a settlement in 1984.
While their causes can't be pinpointed definitively, some soldiers who have avoided being killed or wounded in the current Iraq conflict are returning to America to find they have debilitating illnesses or cancers that they suspect are related to battlefield conditions, whether it is the depleted uranium used in projectiles, the remains of Saddam Hussein's chemical weapons, or the smoke from burning oil wells.
An Army chaplain, Captain Fran Stuart of the 101st Airborne was based in Mosul, Iraq, where "Shock and Awe" bombings occurred, for a year beginning in March 2003. In March 2006, the 40-year-old chaplain - who is this reporter's sister - was diagnosed with a rare condition only seen in teenage girls: Stage IV dysgerminoma, an ovarian germ cell cancer. She was flown from Germany to Walter Reed Army Medical Center in Washington, D.C., where doctors removed a volleyball-sized tumor from her abdomen and she faced daily battles with the side effects of an aggressive chemotherapy regimen - 35 rounds to date.
"My body isn't mine anymore. I can feel the other tumors inside of me. I look like a monster," Captain Stuart said last May as patches of her strawberry blond hair fell out.
A Bronze Star-winning Vietnam Veteran and reservist, Army Sergeant First Class James Lauderdale Jr. of Tuscon, Ariz., was activated to serve in Iraq in January 2005 and was deployed to Camps Doha and Arijhan in Kuwait, where oil refineries released clouds of brown smoke from their stacks.
"I knew what the pollutants in the air meant, and what I would be exposed to - as well as the brown water I bathed and washed my clothes in," he told a reporter.
In March 2005, Lauderdale developed a sore throat and began having difficulty sleeping on his right side because his jaw hurt. After seeing two medics, one prescribed a root canal, but rather than alleviating the pain, it only worsened, he said.
At the end of the month, Lauderdale saw a dentist in Kuwait City, who lifted his tongue and found a lesion. Biopsy results came back as Stage II squamous cell cancer of the mouth floor and tongue.
On April 1, 2005, Lauderdale was sent to Walter Reed, where a doctor said, "The sergeant is in a unique group. We don't know what would stimulate him to have this type of cancer since he isn't a smoker." Another doctor added, "I saw a 21-year-old here who just came back from Iraq with the same type of cancer."
When his family asked if the cause could have been something Lauderdale was exposed to in Kuwait - the air pollutants, contaminated brown water, or depleted uranium, for which he was never tested - the doctors said they couldn't be certain of the cause, family members said.
By June 2006, the cancer had spread to his neck and jaw, lungs, ribs, and spinal column, and Lauderdale had undergone five surgeries, including a tongue reconstruction, right and left radical neck resections and a tracheotomy, two rounds of chemo, and 39 rounds of radiation. Within a month, "hundreds and thousands of lesions appeared, canvassing the entire part of his upper body," his wife of 34 years, Dixie Lauderdale, said. The doctors were dumbfounded by how aggressive his cancer was, she added.
After a valiant fight, Lauderdale, 59, died at Walter Reed on July 14, 2006. His final wish was to be buried at Arlington National Cemetery.
In April 2005, Army Sergeant Charles Lewis, who saw combat in Iraq with the 101st Airborne, was diagnosed with Stage II testicular cancer.
"There was no family history. We asked the doctors if being in Iraq had anything to do with it, but most weren't sure," he said. "We had been told to contact the VA to see if there were any other soldiers returning with cancer, but they would not give us any information.
"Four different people we know and who have been in combat with me have either had tumors removed or have been tested for cancer," Sergeant Lewis continued. "So we have often questioned if Iraq or vaccinations could have played a part in this cancer."
Army Sergeant First Class Charles Frenzel has served in the military for more than 30 years; during the last four years, he has been stationed at Forts Jackson and Lee in America and at Camp Caldwell in Iraq. While he was on assignment in Iraq in October 2005, he was diagnosed with a brain tumor and evacuated to Walter Reed, where an 8.5-by-4.5-inch nonmalignant meningioma was removed.
Asked what he thought had caused his tumor, Sergeant Frenzel offered several possibilities. "I think Saddam had a lot more advanced chemical programs than what was originally suspected," he said. "I was exposed to daily oil smog. Iraq burns straight nonprocessed crude oil, and the smog was horrific. The water was contaminated, and we were bathing and washing our clothes in it."
In June 2006, while undergoing a chemo treatment on Ward 65 at Walter Reed, Captain Stuart met Army Staff Sergeant Frank Valentin of the Transportation Battalion, a 34-year-old Brooklyn native who had been based at Camp Spearhead in the port of Kuwait City on the Iraq-Kuwait border for two years.
Situated amid two oil refineries, a cement factory, a chlorine factory, and a sulfuric acid factory, Sergeant Valentin and other soldiers who assisted at the camp knew immediately that their bouts of burning eyes, hot, red facial skin, and unrelentingly runny noses were caused by a cesspool of noxious fumes, he said.
The soldiers tried complaining, Sergeant Valentin said, "but nobody wanted to hear it - we just stayed quiet. They just wanted us to do our job."
Sergeant Valentin was diagnosed with hemorrhoids eight times and sent back to work, but when the pain and discomfort did not abate, he instinctively knew something was wrong, he said. Finally, a reservist who was an oncologist diagnosed Sergeant Valentin with colon cancer.
The reservist oncologist told him that there were six other soldiers with newly found cancers in his unit, Sergeant Valentin said. The sergeant said he personally knew of two that had been diagnosed with cancer: one with leukemia and one with Hodgkin's lymphoma. And a third had had a nonmalignant brain tumor.
"Between the chemicals in the air overseas, the shots they give you, and not eating well or sleeping more than four hours a day ... your body just isn't strong enough to fight anything off.
"Right now, it's cancer, cancer, cancer. A lot of these kids, 21 years old, are coming back with cancer. How did they get it? How did it happen to me when I was healthy?" he asked.
In 2005, Sergeant Valentin underwent surgery at Walter Reed. It was during that surgery that the doctors discovered the cancer had advanced. He woke to find himself with a colostomy bag and prognosis of incurable colon and lung cancer.
In contrast to soldiers who have lost limbs to explosive devices in Iraq, who qualify for Traumatic Servicemembers Group Life Insurance injury benefits of up to $100,000, "people like us don't get benefits," Sergeant Valentin said.
"Because cancer is a disease and not a war wound, we don't qualify. No one even knows we're on the oncology ward. The press, celebrities, and politicians go to the third floor when they want publicity shots with the amputee soldiers. But what about the seventh floor, Ward 71, with soldiers that are coming back with cancer?" he asked.
On July 23, Iraq's environment minister blamed "at least 350 sites in Iraq being contaminated during bombing" with depleted uranium weapons for about 140,000 cases of cancer there and for between 7,000 and 8,000 new cases each year.
A U.N. Environment Program report states that depleted uranium poses little threat if spent munitions are cleared from the ground. However, no major clean-up or public awareness campaigns have been reported in Iraq, the report added.
© 2007 The New York Sun
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Show AllThere is no gas mask filter made that can trap microscopic DU and prevent it from entering the lungs. One of the Pentagoon hand books for our troops states: If in the vicinity where a DU shell was expended, (do not inhale.)___ That'll work.
Please read those website articles listed in prior comments posted. It is not good.
For anyone interested on our thoughts on this matter (Kem Patrick aka Evelyn Smith, Siouxrose, LindaRN, and others) go to the Common Dreams archive and pull up any article dealing with DU or nuclear power over the past several months. Kem (Evelyn) and I have had a running battle going on with a blogger Billy_4d, a completre advocate of anything nuclear.
After awhile we reesolved he must have been some sort of right wing 'plant', trying their usual game of misinformation, disinformation, and flat out lies in an attempt to obfuscate the deleterious effects of DU usage and/or the potentially disasterous effects of expanding the number of nuclear power generating plants.
As far as this goes: "....four separate studies - by NATO, the Rand Corporation, the European Commission, and the World Health Organization - that found no evidence of adverse health effects from depleted uranium."
I think you will find ample evidence these organizations have a stake in seeing the neo-CON agenda go foward so are they to be trusted? Follow the money!!!
As a bit of information that helps put two and two together it should be noted that the Atomic bomb, depleted uranium, and Agent Orange were all products of the WWII Manhattan Project. Real nice guys those scientists, weren't they? They gave the world gifts that just keep on giving, and giving, and giving. The only thing they take in return is our lives.
I have been reading, studying, & writing regarding depleted uranium for about several years now, and am convinced it has the potential to eventually turn the Earth into a dead piece of rock, devoid of life forms, and drifting through the void of space for eternity. Answer yourselves this question. Has BushCo given you any reason to believe they wouldn't lie to you on this matter, also...and try to cover it up as well?
One of PNAC's stated goals is to reduce world population by about two billion people. Can you think of a better way to de-populate the entire Middle-East than through the use of war as an excuse to shoot off depleted uranium, causing the DNA to change and dwindle the population. I can just picture the greedy oil barons rubbing their chubby hands together with glee, can't you?
More to come on this thread, right Kem? Here's a link to look at:
http://www.cadu.org.uk/intro.htm
BURNING 'DEPLETED' URANIUM: AN ENDLESS MEDICAL DISASTER
Issues on the Use and Effects of Depleted Uranium Weapons
http://www.xs4all.nl/~stgvisie/ud_main.html
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The leaders of the so called "department of defense" cannot be trusted - they are some of the biggest terrorists on the globe, in terms of numbers of human beings who they've had killed, maimed, and horrified. ALL the money that we Americans spend on so called "defense" is used for WRONG human relations (for F'ing up our karma) and to make insanely greedy billionaires even 'richer'.
To learn about the effects of DU, see:
http://www.xs4all.nl/~stgvisie/ud_main.html
Some gruesome photographs of the horrific effects of DU:
http://www.xs4all.nl/~stgvisie/VISIE/extremedeformities.html
The USA's so called department of defense should be shut down forever. Terrorizers of the people who are killers, liars, and servants of the ruling elite run the show there and have been doing so for a long time.
http://www.xs4all.nl/~stgvisie/PentagonPoison.html#Overview
Here are just two, of more than one million, three hundred thousand articles on the web about the subject of Depleted uranium and how the use of DU is going to eventually and fairly soon, kill every living thing on this planet.
If you saw a madman running towards your house carrying a shotgun, and you knew he was coming to kill you and your entire family, would you do anyting at all about it?
Of course you would.
Our government is using DU in the Mid-East and here in the states at many military bases firing ranges. The trillions of deadly uranium 238 isotopes fill the air, where the winds blow the microscopic poison all over the country. Inhaling only one of the microscopic specks of poison will insure you or a member of your family will suffer from lung cancer.__ Just one speck.
Using DU for anything is the same as a madman coming to kick your door down and blow your brains out with twelve gage 00 buckshot. Do we do anything about using DU for weapons of war?
Of course not. We can't see invisible, microscopic specks of poison floating in the air, or getting into our drinking water, a poison that will be deadly for billions of years,__ laying in wait to kill any and every living thing,___ even microbes.
Are we, the public going to do anything about it? Probably not, the vast majority of humans don't react to danger, until we are personally hit in the face, or until a bridge falls, or a sports hero is caught using steroids. Guess one has to set their priorities.
Read these and see what you think about DU use.
www.protecthawaii.ws/page2.html
http://usinfo.stategov/media/archives/2006/jan/12-623470.html
I heard this all before, Agent Orange wasn't something they needed to worry about either...
Iraq = Vietnam War II
In Govspeak: Remember, it is all in your mind, just like Agent Orange and Agent Purple, and any other horror this government can come up with in the name of killing people or landscapes or environments.
As a Nuclear Veteran, (Operation Redwing, Bikini Atoll, 1956) I mark every August 6th and 9th with sorrow. I have seen the horror of nuclear weapons at first hand. I am, so far, a survivor, but have watched many die from cancers, have corresponded with many whose children have been born with birth defects, or stillborn.
My heart goes out to the Marshal Islands People whose lives are still devastated by the Castle-Bravo test in 1954 at Bikini.
The Nuclear Dragon never goes away. We can only hope to keep him chained up, far from humanity. DU is just the malevolent breath of the dragon, slowly poisoning the lives of the people it touches, perhaps unto generations.
To keep this "Fair and Balanced," remember, DU is a very profitable use of nuclear waste by the war munitions industry.
Gomenasai, Hiroshima and Nagasaki. At the very least it should have ended there. It need not have ever happened.
libertas Fugit--Took the words out of my mouth except to add "Gulf War Syndrome" which I am willing to bet when all is said and done will be nothing more or less than the DU Stormin'Norman & Co ordered used on the Iraqis and whose fire enabled dust was later inhaled by the Americans and other coalition troops.
I saw an article explaining that increasingly large numbers of troops are making semen deposits at sperm bnks in order to lower the risk of birth defects in their eventual off spring.
The only problem with that strategy is that it still does not decontaminate either the returning personnel or their equipment which is then free to spread that toxic stuff all around otherwise unexposed people.
"DU is just the malevolent breath of the dragon"
Beautiful and horribly true
Poet: The Gulf war "syndrome" IS radiation poisoning. Of the 600,000 ground troops who served in the first Gulf war, as of last year, more than 400,000 are permanently disabled or dead. Those are still young people.
Two thirds of the children born to them have serious medical problems, and or birth defects, such as brain damage, missing arms, legs, eyes, sex organs etc.
We don't have complete or accurate medical data of those who served in the Second Gulf war as yet and the symptos of radiation poisoning usually take from three to five years to surface. Inhaling DU will insure a long slow death. Any who have been to Iraq, are dead men and women walking, depending upon the dose, it may take up to thirty years before their funeral.
Background radiation readings for DU should be zero. The readings in Baghdad are near 2,000. It is impossible to clean up microscopic dust, we have used thousands of TONS of it there and a like amount here in this country, testing it on military firing and bombing ranges. More than 30 other counties now use DU, as Ibertas noted, selling DU for weapons is very profitable.
None of what I write about DU is my opinion, I relate what I believe the doctors and scientists, who have thoroughly studied the subject say and write concerning DU use.
This was written in February, 2003 Reprinted by permission
Depleted Uranium
by
Steve Osborn
Depleted Uranium, the new panacea
The Arms Maker's choice with a half-life of only 4.5 billion years.
Workers in DU must wear exposure suits and respirators
Just a creative use of atomic leftovers.
Dense, hard, it punches through armor like tissue,
Vaporizes and fragments into dust and tiny chunks.
Dust to be breathed and chunks to be imbedded
As shrapnel or become buried in earth.
Battle tested in Desert Storm and Kosovo,
Now everyone is making them, and selling them,
To armies around the globe, eager for the latest thing.
Meanwhile, the Iraqi desert and Kosovo are laden with tons.
Pay no attention to the sick and the dying.
The Government says it is anything but DU.
Agent Orange was all in the mind, too.
Birth defects and cancer are coincidence in Govspeak.
A hundred or a thousand years from now,
When Hussein and Imperial America are long forgotten,
Or are but spooky tales told around the campfire,
As a new civilization tries to grow.
Peasants, trying to coax food from the ground will stir up clouds of dust.
They, their children and their animals will slowly sicken and die,
And they will know not why.
Just collateral damage from a weapon long ago.
19 February 2003
I think of Pete Seeger's "Where have all the Flowers Gone?"
"When will they ever learn?
When will they ever learn?"
"to take advantage of its unsurpassed ability to penetrate armored vehicles,"
I wasn't aware that the Iraqis had armored vehicles.
If DU is a non-threat, let's see Tony Snow and Robert Gates and Rumsfeld, Cheney, juggling some in their hands.
Glad to see the Defense Department is studying this question. I was worried that the study might not be objective, but who is more objective than the war department about a critical tactical weapon in its arsenal?
God forbid we would ask a group of independent scientists to study it. This reminds me of the incident in Israel of an American crushed by an Israeli tank a few years ago. Don't worry, we were told, the incident is being investigated by the Israeli Defense Forces. Then, surprise, they found no wrongdoing.
Or, the shooting of an Italian journalist at a checkpoint. Don't worry, Italy, the Defense Department will investigate itself and you can be completely reassured when they tell you DoD made no error.
On another note, cigarettes are also not harmful, and the planet is going through a normal cycle of warming.
"The site says the American military uses the material in ammunition "to take advantage of its unsurpassed ability to penetrate armored vehicles"
since when are the Iraqi insurgents using armour vehicles?
Idavin, Canuckchuck: They had plenty of them in the First Gulf War and plenty left for the second. We also now use DU in rifle and machine gun bullets. When the bullets, bombs or shells hit a target, the realatively safe, solid uranium projectiles burn. The DU then becomes deadly smoke and dust. It remains deadly for billions of years and nothing destroys it. Just one microscopic, invisible to the naked eye speck of DU in your body,__ you are dead. There are trillions of specks in the air now,___ everyplace on our planet. Got children,___ love them?
"... what about the seventh floor, Ward 71, with soldiers that are coming back with cancer?"
Heartbreaking.
And you think you're eating organic food? Think again. How much of this DU has seeped into rivers that take it out to the ocean that end up in the fish you eat?
How much of the remains of each nuclear 'experiment' ends up in your air, your water, your "organic" food. We've already breathed the 'just one speck' that KEM PATRICK talks about. And we've eaten it and drunk it, too. Multiple times.
If DU scares you, just go to HAARP.net and see what military testing in years of peacetime has done to the environment.
We MUST stop this madness. We MUST stop ALL military activities - current wars AND experiments for future ones. Let's try a different experiment. Let's kill each other with kindness, care, and compassion.
Write to your congresspeople. Stop funding the killing machine.
One site out of many is http://www.downwinders.org They/ve been working on this since the Nevada tests. You want cancer statistics? As they say, "We're all downwinders, now."
Since Iraqis don't have armored vehicles, maybe they use the shells on Iraqi homes and buildings like schools and hospitals. Why waste a perfectly good DU shell on a Toyota?
KEM
I expected the first comment on this DU article to be yours! Well glad to see you were right behind with the 2nd comment. People need to know the truth about radioactive substances such as Depleted Uranium. The ultrafine particles produced in the explosion of munitions find their way into the lungs of anyone in the area of the blast, and the fine dust with a half-life of 4.5 billion years is picked up by the wind and deposited far away potentially exposing other populations for generations to come.
Interestingly, if it is so safe, why did aircraft companies such as Boeing phase out the use of DU as counterweights in their aircraft in the 1980s, opting for more expensive Tungsten alloy instead?
Isn't the use of DU (a WMD) on a nation that was accused of having WMD's where none existed.......well isn't that what is referred to as a war crime?
The neocons have breathed new life into the nuclear industry and are throwing boatloads of taxpayer money at it.
More uranium mining, processing, nuclear power plant construction, nuclear waste transporatation and disposal are zealously supported as a solution to climate change by most 2008 presidential hopefuls and many other politicians.
This is slightly off topic, but my wife just came in raging over this morning's headlines that the Pentagon has "lost" a shipment of 190,000 small arms, shipped to Iraq.
As Common Dreams has run several articles referring to the fact that we are supplying insurgents through third parties to stimulate the civil war (with Americans as collateral damage) I find it interesting that they could lose a shipment of that size, but not surprising. I wonder if there is any DU ammo in the shipment? (There, back on topic)
Perhaps der Bush should confiscate the Pentagon's assets. God, the dry rot runs deep.
The missing weapons is an article posted here today on Common Dreams.
The DOD's claim as to DU's harmlessness directly contradict their own U.S. Army documents!
This document here:
www.army.mil/usapa/epubs/pdf/p700_48.pdf
prescribes all kids of precuationary measures includung full MOPP equipment, like this:
http://www.gulflink.osd.mil/mopp/fig1.htm
for anyone working around or operating a vehicle that was hit with DU rounds, or has damaged DU armor - even in combat situations.
So, the DOD PR people aren't even very skillful liars!
HI there Vanishing Earth.
The use of DU in weapons is a violation of five of the rules of war in the Geneva Conventions. It's use IS a flagrant disregard of the Geneva Conventions and a serious war crime. Actually, DU is the final word for the term, "weapons of mass destructon".
Many of the rescue workers who were at the site of the World Trade Center and are now suffering from serious medical problems, are likely suffering from radiation posioning. Some have been treated in Cuba, for free BTW, they could not get treatment here in the U.S.
(Don't you just love it!)
The two aircraft which struck the Twin towers had DU counter-weights and those weights burned for several days, gas masks would not have helped.
Actually, I believe it is also absorded, so not breathing, and held long enough, might be the cure!
Am I ever glad to see another swell person show up here. Paul M. Smith, who is a retarded genius, got me started on my DU kick. I wrote a novel which related the dangers of plutonium and I didn't know about DU until recently.
Plutonium is perhaps deadlier than DU, but most of that poison is strictly controlled. There are only a thousand tons or so of plutonium missing, presumed to be LOST in the industrial process. Please read these web sites offered by the bloggers, and pass the word. Of course, no one wishes to hear it. Take Care all.
P/S, Paul is a genius, he won't say it though.
Time4peace: What!!!??? No!!! There is NO cure and don't think that.
Read the articles in the web sites I put on the second comment here. In solid form, the radiaton from DU will not penetrate human skin. When it is inthe isotope form and in the lungs, the radiation kills human cels and causes cancers and alters DNA.
The altered DNA can also be passed onto a fetus.
RE: libertas fugit August 6th, 2007 3:52 pm
"This is slightly off topic, but my wife just came in raging over this morning's headlines that the Pentagon has "lost" a shipment of 190,000 small arms, shipped to Iraq."
Actually, it's not as off-topic as you might imagine, libertas, since these issues are related. The Pentagon has a history of 'losing' war materials. In fact, the day before 911 (Sept 10, 2001 to be exact), an article came out stating the Pentagon couldn't account for $2.3 Trillion (not typo, that's with a 'T') in military supplies. Bang!!! 911 happens the very next day and attention is distracted. Convenient timing, wouldn't you say?
The events of 911 give BushCo the excuse to go to the Middle-East and shoot DU all over the place, and uncovering the 'missing' $2.3 Trillion could be the real cause of 911. Even since then the Pentagon has not had a full & complete audit.
Did those 190,000 weapons really go to the middle east, or were they ordered, paid for with taxpayer dollars, not delivered at all, and someone in the MIC (military industrial complex), (after bribes & pay-offs of course) just pocket the money?
Depleted Uranium is nulcear waste from power plants that the military discovered could be used as armor piercing tips for munitions. Problem is that when they penetrate an object it gioves off a small cloud of radioactive dust. For a single bullet fired the amount is really nothing to be concerned about anywhere. The problem is that on a normal battlefield millions of rounds are fired off, sometimes billions. Soldiers from the first Gulf War experienced this in the form of Gulf War Syndrome. A nice phrase created to distract us from the reality of it all. I say we take Cheney and drop him in a cooling tank at 3 mile Island for a weeks free vacation. He'd probably screw up the water somehow. Or send the First family a nice set of dishes made of DU with pictures of the countries they have bombed and raped. Rob a bank - do 20 years - grow marijuana - do 20 years - steal a pension from thousands of taxpayers - get a Presidential Appointment or Pardon or whatever is necessary to keep you in the game. Send men and women to war based on a pack of lies and half truths - make millions for you and your friends. Pretending you have done nothing wrong - priceless.
Welcome to the United States of Criminals.
Thanks, Kem, you're flattery is too kind. Actually I prefer to think of it like Einstein stated, "Genius is 10% inspiration, and 90% perspiration".
RE: time4peace August 6th, 2007 4:58 pm
"Actually, I believe it is also absorded...(I assume you meant absorbed)"
You can safely handle a chunk of DU for awhile (I wouldn't feel comfortable doing it too long, though). It burns when flying in a projectile, and vaporizes into an airborne areosol particulant upon striking something. It invades the body as a piece of flak or through the lungs, works its way through the body to other organs, or is passed out through waste products of urine & feces.
The smaller the particle the more difficult it is to dislodge. Through semen it can be tranferred from a returning male soldier to his female partner, polluting her also. I'm not sure of the implications of transferring it orally by means of kissing or oral sex, but it is important to remember all indications are (at the moment anyway) it can be considered innocuous outside of the body. If anyone finds any information to the contrary please post it.
This doesn't mean, however, that it cannot wreak havoc on lesser life forms in a solid state, and it is claimed capable of killing organisms down to a microbial level. They don't even have lungs, so I would suspect there are other means of transfer.
Here's a scary thought. Suppose it alters the DNA of some virus we have no defense for.
DU and DEATH... Ya THINK??
(duh!)
See this important video on the matter:
http://www.bushflash.com/pl_lo.html
Sorry folks but the people who are getting sick from DU are all volunteers, excpet for the Iraquis, Afghans and now the Somlais yemenis and Phillipinos.
the 1990's was not the world of 1945 through 1950's when dumb and dumber were sefving in the military and believed radiation was good for you and that your government would never lie to you either and the effects of DU were known, as was the disorder of Delayed etc etc before the majority of these military folks even joined.
That the military had let die thousands of viet era men and let their children be born deforemd or denied medical help to not just a few hundred thousands but over a million claims was also known.
Our pilots for over 16 years have lived the good life of no danger from ground forces and enjoyed the killing fields in Iraq and Afghanasitan and if by chance they have killed or injured many hundreds of thousasnds of their own tropops well lets chalk it up to friendly fire.
Our artillary and tank crews got a blast out of blowing up empty tanks rtrucks and armored personell carriers the Iraqui Army parked conveniently alongside roads empty of course instead of fighting US military and every dead Irtaqui from one of theose shells was cheered on its way and when it hit.
No I shed my tears for the people not of our United States and those in Iraq who had plead to the white world of Eurocentircs for the over 500.000 deths of children under age of 8 and no American other than a traitor or unpattiotic person was mentioning.
I also will shed tears for the children born with defects of those munitons here in states but with no more emotion greater than those innocnets in Iraq and elsewhere in world who have and are being born daily form USA actions.
DU was noted at very beginning fo Balkans by all of Euro countires and later denied under US pressure.
To think that anyone can vote for the people in power Demcoratic and Republican partys and all their corproate lobbyist and ass kissing mebers in chrucehes and offcie buildings within the huge bureaucracys they lead; without thinking of the horrendous slaughter they have unleashed not just upon foreign but upon their own people , has to be either saidism unreigned or group insanity.
http://www.ericblumrich.com/pl_lo.html
That's an old one, but a good one..very powerful statement on DU....
Maybe Uranium 238 (depleted Uranium) can enter the skin after it disintegrates into another radioactive element. DU gives off alpha particles, a very energetic Helium 3 atom. But it then becomes a different radioactive element which may give off the more deadly beta particle (a very energetic electron). this one, in turn gives off another particle for maybe 5 to 7 different elements until it finally becomes a stable particle, namely Lead. And I am none too keen on lead, either.
Think about this, folks: Hitler only killed about 6 - 12 million. Bush/Cheney/Millitary-Industrial complex could wipe out 6 billion.
When 2/3s of the first Gulf war vets are either sick or dead after only serving 100 days in Iraq, what are the chances of survival for all those service people with multiple and very lengthy tours of duty in Iraq today?
Folks,___ please do not take MY word as gospel, or Paul M. Smiths or any others here who are only repeating what top level scientists say are the facts. Read the articles or websites offered. Water does not nullify the danger of DU-238 uranium isotopes. Nothing except time will kill it and the time is at least four billion years. Some uranium is not deadly.___ Some is.
"Asked what he thought had caused his tumor, Sergeant Frenzel offered several possibilities. "I think Saddam had a lot more advanced chemical programs than what was originally suspected," he said. "I was exposed to daily oil smog. Iraq burns straight nonprocessed crude oil, and the smog was horrific. The water was contaminated, and we were bathing and washing our clothes in it.""
Note: "The water was contaminated, and we were bathing and washing our clothes in it."
Haven't we spent untold $$Billions on no-bid contractors who were and are supposed to take care of our military? Why was our military bathing in contaminated water? Where the hell was Halliburton and the other contractors this Executive Branch hired to take care of our military?
When are the depleted rods pulled from the chambers?
When they decrease output to below 50% of time when first inserted.
This is not depleted exposure levels but by energy levels needed to produce.
In almost 15% of cases of this reprocessed uranium the amount of radiation coming out front end is at level of that at back end, that 15% is extremely hazardous to life and limb and it is not carted away but coninues on in the process, spread out in hopes it further delutes by percentage of bad to good material.
Same as they did with autos who polluted by parts per million so how did they claen it up they just added more air to knock down the harmfull per cent.
DU and Uranium is not oxides fronm an auto exhaust.
Instead fo just listening to some on hwo harmfull this is go to soem of the sites listed and their links and even e-mail the authors.
Remeber the US government Security Intelligence and Penatgon under Executive ordrs, along with your GOP neocon or religous wahckos partys hires bloggers for disinformation.
I went through this after the Nam with the same denying bureaucrrats and sycophant politcal droolers as we have today over Agent Orange and later all they did was change color, to purple, and then use it in Mexico, Latina America, and along railroad tracks plus rural highways in the Good OL US of A.
They wouldn't kill you deliberately just plead they did it ignorantly is all.
Words escape me. I'm going out to the whipping tree. Seems to be all the fuck anybody can do about it. Isn't that right Congress?
Anyone out there with exposure to high levels of lead contaminants should seek out Doctors who use CHELATION THERAPY. This therapy was used many years ago for people working in the lead and battery and paint industries; and children who ate lead paint chips from the window sills, etc. of old homes were also treated with chelation to rid their bodies of the deadly lead.
It worked then, and it works now! Your insurance company will not cover this therapy but the cost is minimal and could save you from suffering many years of acute illness.
Psst. As for missing weapons who knows but as for supplying others with thrid world munitions it is a common practice and even making up story about AK's in Nicaragua they haad bought from Yugoslavia under Regan.
Aslo the weapons used to day by Ethiopeia were bothg tby U S permission, though illegal under Un charters and US was from N. Korea and Iran.
The Islamics got their weapons from same sources that we supplied in balkans to cause civil unrest.
We supplied the Aghans with money to buy arms from Iran, and China to kill Russians while we supplied the higher tech munitions heavy stuff beyond iranian mortars.
Neoconned, a tank shell is ten pounds of solid DU, a 30mm cannon shell is 3.5 pounds of solid DU, a 30cal bullet is solid DU. It is a false statement, made year ago by the DOD, that that DU ammo was 'tipped' with DU they are almost solid DU.
The bunker buster bombs are over a hundred pounds of DU. We have fired off thousands of tons of DU since the late 70s, much of it right here in the states. A SINGLE micoscopic speck entering your lungs will eventually kill you!___ Dead! It kills children faster, their immune systems are not as developed as adults. DU attacks the human immune system too, forgot to mention that.
It is impossible to clean up DU dust. It would be like vacumning the entire country, and the filter bags wouldn't contain it anyway. This is the most serious problem humanity has ever encountered. Number ONE problem. We are permanently KILLING all life on this little blue and white, one of a kind water planet. The only water planet known to exist in the entire universe is Earth__ and hunanity is destroying it.__ Fast too.
Will DU kill off the Phytoplankton in our oceans? We better pray it dooesn't. Those trillions of tiny plants produce 70 % of our oxygen and something is killing them off and no one knows what it is. I will correct myself there. It is now 60%, the ammount of oxygen produced by phytoplankton dropped ten percent since 1975. Because their numbers have dropped ten percent. It is a "rather" serious problem, no matter what is killing them.
Billy__y4. It has taken you a long time, but you have finally done it.___I hate you.
These atrocities being perpetrated on US citizens and foreigners alike are the responsibility of every single person!
Stop paying your taxes; without which rogue governments are POWERLESS!
Rebuild your communities!
Billy __y4:___ Don't put out your bull shit about such a damn serious subject. The DU-238 uranium isotpes are so small, nothing made, except perhaps labratory filters will trap them. Stop your over educated sounding crap and read the scientific evidence about DU written by men who understand what they are writing. Go back to your atomic energy work place, get your blood money and sniff a few specks of DU dust and tell us it's safe.
Read this you puffed up solipist. I don't know how people like you can stand to show your face to your families.
http://usinfo.state.gov/media/archives/2006/jan/12-623470.html
The Hiroshima article posted today made me cry, just thinking about all the deformed children and how it is that human beings put their intelligence to making weapons that can distort life to such an inhuman extent?! In any case, to take in so much pain (via empathy) my psyche flashes to other possibilities. It's interesting that in the story of Pandora's Box the ONE gift left for mankind is HOPE. I do not question the seriousness of the DU or Plutonium particles. And it's likely that MANY will know cancer or pass mutation onto the next generation. I can almost see in my head pictures that resemble a bad sci-fi flick of the aberrant body forms, heads with 3 eyes, bodies with an extra limb, etc emerging. BUT... there are and have been stories of adepts in India who could drink poison and experience NO effect. Their bodies, a kind of Zen version of biology, let the toxic substance just pass on through. There were people who walked among those stricken by the Plague, but did not become ill. Certainly I am not advocating for this atrocity already in slow motion, but the part of me that resonates with HOPE believes some will manage to survive, and is it possible that our DNA will adjust to radiation exposure? It's NOT a good thing, but isn't it possible that a small percentage of human beings will somehow manage to avert the effects? I cannot picture Divine Intelligence allowing an end to this marvelous long-term experiment in evolution that led to mankind, the creature gifted with free will, if the "free" will of the worst threatens the beauty and grace of those that came to this world to learn more about love, an understanding of their fellow beings, and to marvel at the incredible textures of mountains, streams, clouds, and the WONDERS given to us by CREATOR... a gift that has been passed to us for sound stewardship. Have the most care-less among us really poisoned everything? I cannot take that in and still live and breathe. It is a cancer, and it may be spreading, and the US had NO right to perpetrate this slow murderous crime on others... but I cannot accept that it will kill all human beings, or all plankton, or all life. How can we entertain any hopes if we believe that? Maybe some giant sun spot activity will create a vacuum that sucks all those particles back into itself (yeah, I know, that one IS sci-fi)... I have to imagine an escape clause!
That's exactly the point of reference that the armed forces want to make sure never exists.
I guess because today is the anniversary of one of the worst atrocities ever committed. How quickly Japan and Vietnam forgave the U.S. only to become its partners in trade, all in salutation to mammon. Is it even comprehensible that after SEEING what the bomb did to HUMAN beings, our military could say, "Gee! That was great. Let's do it again! Let's design more!" I cannot imagine the type of mind that can look into the abyss and see so much suffering, and from that conclude it is worth doing more of same. When Christ said "Go and sin no more," that was a spiritual commandment. How could the U.S. as the richest nation in the world squander its bounty in the furtherance of weapons that cast such widespread misery? And atop this, it's a "religious" nation? My God, the spiritual schizophrenia is breathtaking!!!!
Siourrose, you are hope. At least whenever I read your comments, I feel much better.
There is a California based company that plans to seed a large area of the South Pacific with iron dust, to feed the phytoplankton. There are other scientists who are afraid of the plan. Of course, when scientists play with nature, anything may happen and usually it isn't good happenings.
Our nephews and nieces live in Florida and after WW11, my two brothes once had a camp deep in the Everglades. They were naturalists and loved to relax out there. They owned a small aircraft overhaul facility and once customized a seaplane, a Catalila or CAT, for Jacques Costeau. When he and his family came to town it was a swell time. We went out on the Calipso twice and saw then what humanity was doing to our oceans. Costeau gave us sixty years to stop polluting the oceans and clean it up, that was about forty years ago. Costeau was a scientist, an inventor, a writer, a seaman, a pilot and an explorer. He was a swell guy too. He warned us___ but few listened. One of my favorite books was his, "The Ocean World".
If we believe in a God, and I won't get into religion here, except to state I do, and that I have a firm belief, due to an experience we once had, that we do have hope. In the meantime, things are going to get very nasty on our rare and once beautiful blue and white water planet. The only water planet known to exist in the entire, endless universe is Earth. Humanity is destroying it and doing so as fast as we possily can. __Sad.
DU becomes lead after nine billion years.
In eqrly 1960's a young enelisted man after undergoing nuclear warhead trang and computer guidance systems was sent to an Iairborne Division in he south US of A to show and be able to arm an Honest John missle , realy more of a larger rocket and used as an artillary piece. Attached but not assigned he soon finds he is out of a job, Honest john becomes gone so assigned to a Chemical Biological and Radoictive group, crossed deusch bags on his lapels( realy beakers an inside joke as was the job because they put old deuschje bags in it who wouldn't be good for anything else.
Once when going through records he finds nuclar biological and chemical reocrds. some dating before WWII including nuke, and begins to read.
Today he sat with spouse and wateched Nuke story on Japan and as it went on he added comments of what was being left out for his wife to better understand, right down to how military helped pay for plastic surgery so they could further studyt subjects and why most irradiated people got no help by Japanese or US immediately after event: too study effects upon populaiton as to how long it took them to ide, amount of effort to nurse and feed, but not to extend their lives except in smaller test cases.
Later as secret rating grew he read of test upon US subjects in 50'sd including military prisoners ansd civilian or even active military volunteers.
He read fo what to tell the troops, and how to convince those who volunteeered that yes death was a possavbility but unlikely when they knew well it was a death sentence.
Tehn he also read of radiaton effects upon humans from the time of Maddame Curie until evven the limited exposure upon those at work in the 40's.
We knew pretty well before hand what effects of radiation would be and with the mathematics we knew just about the explosive efects and amount of material sent upwards and how high.
He read about the chemicals used and under study from WWI the Brits in Iraq in the 20"S, mustard gas and a couple of others, the Germean of pre war and the American post war usage upon volunteer prisoners promised reduced sentences to study effects and treatmetns and of the unauthorized ones as well. He read of stockpiles and amounts if they were needed and the types under developeemnt.
He became so good at hsi trade that during a nation wide war game of all serivces he was the only enlisted man in the planning Blue Room qand responsible for showing range and weather conditons that cuased damage here and when to use there of chemical rdiolobgical and biological weaponty and later to train national guard Chem warfare students.
From a realtive who took part in Hanford releases and New Mexcio studies he learned more and so disgusted did he become he volunteered to go to Viet Nam as a grunt.
He survived that green hell but always since befroe that time he knew his own country had devils within it who could make life hell not just for our enemies but for our own peoples they used as human gueine pigs.
They lied to the young men, made him promise to lie also, and they even lied to most of our political powers.
Powers that took one very brave man who released the Pentagon Papers to show cracks within the system that to this day majority of people do not like to read because they will not want to confront their ideas of a benign government.
Too bad!
they lied to their kids, got them killed in Viet Nam and made them beleive that killing a peasant in Latin America or even a fellow american but a nun was worth the price of protecting their military leaders over the morals and Rights of their own peoples until today we end up with warriors who love the killing supported by hordes of peoipole80% are support staff, who say well it is just a job and it does pay well and to never question the military and the powers they represent.
Then one reads that WWIi was indeed an enforced and planned war on Japan and that the dropping of a NUke was nto so much to end Jpanese war, they had already made three request for ending but to impress upon or Soviet
Comrades to not mess with us because we had the Nuclear Bomb.
Power is its own justifier and has been long before today in this country and yet the people continue to elect their countrys and soon to be Irans executioners.
"Oft times, the words of an old sage began, knowledge of an act of violence even if you are not the perpetrator will kill you before your assassin can strike; for your heart may already be dead."
Each day I wonder if this nations heart is still alive or not.
A friend of mine went to an event at Venice Beach on Memorial Day this year and there were soldiers there speaking at an event. After they finished speaking, as people were mingling and talking, my friend confronted one of the soldiers about the use of depleted uranium munitions in Iraq. The soldier said, "They told us it would only affect the Iraqi's."
My friend looked at him hard, then the soldier got a stupified look on his face and said, "Oh....right."
How many different ways can you spell DUH?? Notice the DU in DUH??
On another note....I spent some time this evening watching Dr. Wayne Dyer. After many troubling days reading Commondreams articles and comments, (and adding my own to the mix), his wise words helped me immensely. His newest book is called "Change Your Thoughts....Change Your Life". Now, I realize all of us changing our thoughts won't help the fact that our government/military has poisoned the Earth forever with depleted uranium....
Which brings me to the other program I watched. It was the HBO special about our bombing Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Japan with atomic bombs in World War II. It's called, "White Light/Black Rain: The Destruction of Hiroshima and Nagasaki".
There were many survivors interviewed in the course of the documentary. At one point a woman, who was around 12 at the time of the bombing said, "I had to choose between two kinds of courage. The courage to live, or the courage to die. My sister stepped in front of a speeding train. She had the courage to die. I tried and I couldn't do it. I had the courage to live."
All of us on these pages need to find the courage to live. To live the lives we were sent here to live. For me, that is to try to right what those in positions of power have made drastically wrong. Not only for us, but for those we love and all those we have harmed and killed, and for all the future generations who are still unborn.
If we can only get over the shame.