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The Strong and Tough Democrats
The Washington Post's Fred Hiatt has spent the last several years demanding that Democrats show their Seriousness by capitulating to most Bush "terrorism" policies. He is the type of pundit about which Democratic consultants fret so deeply when they advise their clients not to defy Bush's will. But even Hiatt sees the Democrats' weekend capitulation on FISA for exactly what it is, and expresses it clearly in a remarkably good Editorial this morning -- entitled "Warrantless Surrender":
THE DEMOCRATIC-led Congress, more concerned with protecting its political backside than with safeguarding the privacy of American citizens, left town early yesterday after caving in to administration demands that it allow warrantless surveillance of the phone calls and e-mails of American citizens, with scant judicial supervision and no reporting to Congress about how many communications are being intercepted. To call this legislation ill-considered is to give it too much credit: It was scarcely considered at all. Instead, it was strong-armed through both chambers by an administration that seized the opportunity to write its warrantless wiretapping program into law -- or, more precisely, to write it out from under any real legal restrictions.
Administration officials, backed up by their Republican enablers in Congress, argued that they were being dangerously hamstrung in their ability to collect foreign-to-foreign communications by suspected terrorists that happen to transit through the United States. The problem is that while no serious person objects to intercepting foreign-to-foreign communications, what the administration sought -- and what it managed to obtain -- allows much more than foreign-to-foreign contacts. The government will now be free to intercept any communications believed to be from outside the United States (including from Americans overseas) that involve "foreign intelligence" -- not just terrorism. It will be able to monitor phone calls and e-mails of U.S. citizens or residents without warrants -- unless the subject is the "primary target" of the surveillance.
Instead of having the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act court ensure that surveillance is being done properly, with monitoring of Americans minimized, that job would be up to the attorney general and the director of national intelligence. The court's role is reduced to that of rubber stamp. . . .
Democrats could have stuck to their guns and insisted on their version. Instead, nervous about being blamed for any terrorist attack and eager to get out of town, they accepted the unacceptable. Most Democrats opposed the measure, but enough (16 in the Senate, 41 in the House) went with Republicans to allow it to pass, and the leadership enabled that result.
In the NYT, James Risen, the reporter who first revealed the existence of the NSA program, described the legislation as one which "broadly expanded the government's authority to eavesdrop on the international telephone calls and e-mail messages of American citizens without warrants." As Hiatt also pointed out, Risen explained that "its impact went far beyond the small fixes that administration officials had said were needed to gather information about foreign terrorists," and instead, "the new law for the first time provided a legal framework for much of the surveillance without warrants that was being conducted in secret by the National Security Agency and outside." Risen quoted the excellent Kate Martin, director of the Center for National Security Studies in Washington, saying: "This more or less legalizes the N.S.A. program." Prior to the November, 2006 elections, the Bush administration tried desperately to force the Congress to enact new FISA legislation to legalize warrantless eavesdropping. The Democrats resisted just enough to prevent its enactment. Karl Rove and Republicans generally then ran around the country exploiting that obstructionism in order to accuse Democrats of being "soft on terror" and "wanting to prevent the President from listening in when Osama calls," the Republicans were crushed in that election, and Democrats obtained an historic victory. In the not-blue state of Montana, Jon Tester defeated an incumbant GOP Senator by running on a platform of repealing the Patriot Act in its entirety. Wouldn't the most basic rationality compel Democrats to draw the conclusion that this rank Terrorism fear-mongering does not actually work?
Yet here they are, after refusing to legalize warrantless eavesdropping prior to their midterm victory, allowing this legislation to pass now that they are in the majority. It is as politically self-destructive as it is unconscionable on the merits.
While the premise of this behavior is that Democrats must avoid appearing "soft" and "weak," one article after the next describes their behavior as "surrendering," "capitulating," "bowing to pressure," "caving in" and "suffering defeat" -- all at the hands of a weakened, isolated and pervasively despised lame duck President whose political party is in shambles. The worst thing one can be in American politics and American culture generally is a loser, and Democrats perpetually turn themselves into losers and convince themselves when doing so that they are appearing "strong" and "tough."
What makes this all the more appalling is that it was so easily avoidable. All Democrats had to do was offer legislation to fix the only real gap in FISA and then demand that the President sign it or risk a Terrorist attack. They could have gone on the offensive ahead of time by crafting the legislation and then made it their own cause to demand that the President sign it immediately in order to fix this problem and protect us from the Terrorists.
But they did none of that. They waited around, as always, with no aim and no strategy and no principle and no belief and allowed the President to dictate their behavior and control the debate. It is exactly what they have done on every virtually major issue over the last six years -- from Iraq to the Military Commissions Act to the Alito nomination to the whole slew of still-secret surveillance programs that they meekly allow to remain undisclosed, even to them.
In the process, they gutted the few existing restrictions on the government's power to spy on us. They revitalized the GOP base which is revelling in their Victory and dispirited and infuriated their own base. They revealed themselves, yet again, as weak and principle-free as they are politically inept. And even Fred Hiatt sees all of that.
Glenn Greenwald was previously a constitutional law and civil rights litigator in New York. He is the author of the New York Times Bestselling book "How Would a Patriot Act?," a critique of the Bush administration's use of executive power, released in May 2006. His second book, "A Tragic Legacy", examines the Bush legacy.
© Salon.com



103 Comments so far
Show AllIncluded in Bush's fascist agenda is Biblical Armageddon which, in these modern times, translates into nuclear World War Three against his "axis of evil".
The only way I see out of this mess is to try to come to a consensus on voting and other strategies. Though our opinions are welcome and necessary, maybe we should keep in mind that fragmenting our power is to the fascist's advantage.
The League of Conservation (not to be confused with conservative) Voters can help us choose our candidates based on their progressive voting records. And maybe we can unite around a third party like the Greens, the largest and fastest growing party that takes no bribes from the corporatocracy and uses consensus in their decision-making instead of corruptible pols.
But however strongly we feel about people and parties and as the opposition discovered to their advantage, we have to stand united. To stay together against the fascist threat.
Here is a novel idea:
When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, IT IS THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE TO ALTER OF ABOLISH IT
As of today, I am officially a registered Independent. Screw you, loyalbushieDems. And the worst worst part is, it is more than clear the Cheneybush Fascism Tour '07 is aimed only at their political enemies - in other words, YOU, you dipshits.
Jim Webb, how could you? The rest, sure, bunch of pussies. But you? Has their illegal spying uncovered a skeleton in your closet that they promised not to unleash if you drop to your knees and blow dear Loonitary Decider as he smokes what's left of our Constitution in his warpipe?
SWITCH YOUR VOTER REGISTRATION FROM DEM TO INDY TODAY! RIGHT NOW! TEACH THE BASTARDS THE LESSON THEY NEED TO LEARN!
Not so sure they were protecting their political backside in terms of the voting public. Is it really even a consideration anymore? It is hard to believe in light of the drama surrounding Gonzales, that they don't have other priorities--like powerful connections that make or break careers and calculation that goes into assuring a planned outcome. By allowing the vote to reach the floor and strategically allowing certain members to vote with the Republicans, a preordained strategy emerges ,assuring certain members to cast opposing votes with the knowledge that it will pass safely. Arms can be twisted, committee appts and funds denied to line up the votes if they really wanted to make a stand. It is not happening at a time when Bush-Cheney are in the gutter. Gonzales is a national embarrassment and here the Dems are further legitimatizing his crimes. Since the congress is held even lower esteem than Bush, but continue to dig that hole goes to show that they don't care what the voting public thinks because they serve a differenct constituency.
A constituency that has come to monopolize the entire power structure, and considering that Powell stated the "US was running out of enemies", the need to invent one was essential for an economy based on war profiteering. Thus the endless "war on terrorism", that all politicians spout endless mythology about, use as a vehicle to strut their general acts, and cave on every constitutional right to rally behind.
No comment is really needed. When the weak act weak, what can one say? -- they are weak! Whoo, a dog bit a man!
With very few exceptions "strong and tough" are terms diametrically opposed to "democrat."
I'm a Democrat, because really, there's no where else to go, but Jesus I despise them!
//bangs head
This is just further proof that Obama and Hillary are not leaders. If they were they would be rallying, demanding, pushing their party to take the offensive. I suppose they are too concerned about the nomination, which also reflects on their lack of leadership.
These two are unelectable in the final analysis- partly because of the ineffectual leadership on occasions like this, and because a SCARED America will not vote for woman or half a caucasian- it is too much to ask in this lying atmosphere of fear and hate.
I still believe there will be no election. And just like the very first transition of the Federalist in the executive to the anti-federalist, where there was concern that the Federalist would not give up power and instead mobilize the militia to maintain power on the grounds that it was in the national interest, there is fear of this happening over 200 years later. Only this time, it will happen. Bush and Cheney, Rove, and the rest, with support from these spineless democrats will not give up power. One catastrohe, planned by this rogue back-room government will carry the day for Bush.
And the majority of American people? They have shown neither the interest nor the intelligence to know any better. Only checks and balances saves democracy. The mandate of the people is controlled via selected information doles out throught he so called liberal media. The two party system, unfettered by the constitution rules America for their own interests.
Frosty bunny:
Of course there is somewhere else to go. Exploiting the feeling that there is nowhere else to go is what allows the Dems to "triangulate" endlessly. You will be taken for granted only as long as you allow it.
Republicans and Democrats are 2 sides to the same coin.
And coin is the operative word.
If the Democrats had 60 seats in the Senate, I might agree that they should have done more in the last 6 months. But the rules of the Senate require the 60 votes to get it to a vote.
Filibuster is designed to prevent the tyranny of the majority, no matter who is in charge. Even IF they had 60 votes, they could not override a veto unless they had 67. If you want the Democrats to make a difference, make sure they get 60 Senate seats and the Presidency in November 08.
seriousprofessor:
I get what you're saying, but realistically, what are the alternatives? If I left the Dems (really, they left me years ago) I would be shooting myself in the foot in the primaries. If I registered Independent I would have even less voice than I have now. The primaries are the only place where you have a snowball's chance of making any difference.
Not that it makes any difference.
//bitter chuckle
I am the Typhoid Mary of politics. If I like a politician, they have no hope of winning.
Frostybunny:
What you describe is the opportunity to make a difference among choices that are diametrically opposed to what you believe. This makes a farce out of your right to the democratic franchise.
A simulacrum of a voice is not the same as a voice. And I agree with you that it stinks.
The only realistic alternative is to leave the abusive relationship. There are plenty of disadvantages, but at least you will retain/regain your self-respect.
This was my last letter to my alleged representatives, for DownsizeDC.
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Please oppose the so-called "FISA Modernization Act" being pushed by the Bush administration.
My personal comment to you:
I've said it before and I'll say it again, and again and again, until it begins to appear that you people are listening to those whom you are supposed to represent.
We the People of the United States are sick and tired of "Secret" legislation and secret deals. Usually they turn out to be secret because they strip still more from our already shredded Constitution and Bill of Rights, or make huge payoffs to yet another bunch of crooks linked to the Washington Cesspool.
The original FISA Act may be weak, but it did provide a veneer of protection from government intrusion into our lives. It would appear that this "Secret" FISA Modernization Act may well strip what little protection we have from the Bush Gang, and his successors if any, but how can we tell? IT'S A SECRET!
The government is using fear tactics, unfounded claims, phony setups, outright lies, and probably have some "False Flag" Black Ops waiting in the wings to once again terrorize the people into going along with lawlessness and fascism promoted by this government.
It is way past time for this to stop. One start would be to vote down the "Secret" FiSA Modernization Act.
The United States has one slim chance to survive. That is by returning to a government ruled by its founding documents, the Constitution and Bill of Rights. Under those documents, the government is an open government, where We the People can see and respond to what is going on. We will not survive as a democracy by having a government that hides everything it does from public view by secrecy, lies and cover-ups.
We the People demand that the cover be taken off the Cesspool that is Washington DC. We want to hold our noses and look deep into it, to see what the bottom feeders are dong down there. We want to find a good septic pumper who will work hard and empty that effluent so the bottom feeders will starve.
Only then will we have a chance to survive. We have watched the Democrats, whom we elected to do that job, and what do we see? Most of them have dived in and headed for the bottom, to join their cohorts. They're slurping so loud they don't even hear us. A small handful are standing at the edge, beating their chests and bailing with a teaspoon.
We the People are telling you, either man the pumps and empty the Cesspool, or we'll look for some real repairmen to do the job and you can be pumped out with the rest of the stinking mess.
Always remember, We the People are mad as Hell and we aren't going to take it anymore! Represent We the People or get out!
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As usual, they didn't listen, but I'll keep telling them.
seriousprofessor:
Yes, but that would only play to the Republicans advantage. One less vote for a Democrat, means one more vote for a Republican and I despise them even more than the hopeless, spineless, vacillating Dems!
Sorry, seriousprofessor, I'm still not willing to quit voting. I live in the oh-so-conservative south so not voting for a Dem here means not voting at all.
Thanks for the shoulder to cry on, though. :)
Frosty Bunny--
You can stay Democratic for the primaries if you want to make a statement by voting for someone among the contenders whom you respect, then you can switch registrations to Green, Independent, etc for the general election and write in someone you respect.
Whether they win or not at this point may be less important than sending a message to the Dems that "Bush-Lite does not cut it.
Hopefully the Democrats will keep a very low profile while on vacation as a lynching is in order. Congress may as well just take an extended leave of absense and stay home and twiddle their collective thumbs. They have flushed just about every liberty left. Really, they can't do much more damage with their insecurities and lack of conscience.
Poet:
"Whether they win or not at this point may be less important than sending a message to the Dems that "Bush-Lite does not cut it."
You have a point. It's risky, though. Consider all the Progressives who voted for Nader in 2000 to send a message. They had a very valid message, but now we're stuck in Iraq, have Roberts and Alito on the SC and Dick Cheney is running the show in Washington.
Don't quit voting, but vote for whom you really want to win. No vote is wasted. (Although I empathize with the sentiment.) This next election will almost certainly not have anyone in the Rep and Dem parties whom I want to vote for. Obama says Bush hasn't done anything impeachable, and Hillary keeps voting for Bush's pet projects. I may have to vote Libertarian.
Personal to Mr. Al Gore: Please run in 2008.
There is only one strong and tough Democrat - Denny Kuscinich, and only one strong and tough Independent - Bernie Sanders.
DUMP THE DEMOCRATS!
UNITE INTO A NEW THIRD PARTY NOW!
We the people, opposed to the destruction of the planet and it's peoples, now atomized and powerless in "grass roots" and "special interest" groups, must unite our efforts and resources into a new party to replace the corrupt Democratic Party! A new party that rejects corporate funding in order to end the corporate plunder of the federal government.
A new party explicitly opposed to the Project for the New American Century. Opposed to unending war for profit and power. Cut the military budget by 50%, shut down the 700 military bases around the world. Re-instate taxes cut by Bush gang.
A new party that commits the entire resources of the country to end global warming, end imperialist wars, implements true non-profit universal health care. promotes mass transportation, develops renewaable energy, and produces the essentials for human survival.
A new party that promotes an economy that works towards fulfilling the economic needs of all the people, not just to profit a tiny minority of super wealthy. No more people living on the streets! No more hospitalized people being dumped into the streets when they have no money or health insurance! (See the film SICKO)
A new party to unite all of the oppressed people of this country. A new party that cuts across all the false social and cultural divisions that keep us forever powerless (racial, ethnic, age, language, etc.). A new party to unite us against the unending destruction of peoples and planet.
A SOCIALIST PARTY to promote the end of gangster capitalism, run-amok capitalism, which is supported by both Democratic and Republican parties.
A new party to support the labor movement and all working people. We urge the labor movement to stop supporting the Democratic Party (already besotted by corporate money), and to focus its precious resources to fund a new national radio and television network. By being on the air 24 hours a day the labor movement can provide the latest news, information, education and current affairs analysis desperately needed by all working people. This effort, combined with the formation of the new party, will be a bold step towards reviving the organized labor movement.
For years we have listened to radio programs like DEMOCRACY NOW! that has discussed with numerous "grass roots" groups desperately struggling to make a positive change in society. Anti-war protest groups, civil rights groups, union struggles, affordable housing groups, teachers unions, health care access, seniors about Social Security, have involved millions of people. Now is the time to unite the energy and resources of the people into a new party.
The new party provides a means of uniting the "special interest" agendas of each group into the platform of the new party. The new party candidates, selected from the various individuals and groups, would become the candidates representing their cause and the new party. The new party will contest for office at every level of government in order to take power. The new party will provide the new leadership and new programs this country desperately needs.
There is still time before November 2008 elections to start this process. Even the announcement and preparation for a founding convention of such a new party will shock both Democrats and Republican incumbents. They will know that their days are numbered!
The needs of all previous "minority" and "special interests" people now become the platform of the new party representing the vast majority of people. Can the existing activists of so-called "minority" and "special interest" groups overcome their existing powerlessness, and link up with each other to start this new party?
This all-inclusive struggle will attract millions of atomized working people, often non-voters and uninvolved people, who have been atomized, exploited, brain-washed by corporate media and ultimately destroyed by gangster capitalism.
Great freakin' idea skst!!
Maybe if Al Gore runs he'll pick Joe Lieberman to be his Vice again! Joe can simply re-register as a Democrat and it's all good!!
Yeah, I LOVE Al Gore and Joe Lieberman! What a team!! Especially the way Gore caved when John Bolton ran into the room in Florida and screamed!! (along with the Republican "demonstrators" outside in the hall), "I'm with the Bush/Cheney team and I'm here to stop the count!!" I LOVED that! And just to think, with a little fighting Gore might have gone over the 537 votes Bush got to "win". Oh well, c'est la vie!
Of course then Joe "AIPAC" Lieberman would have been vice. Oh well. I like the fact that Israel has a strong hand in all our legislative decisions. Really!! And listening to Lieberman lie and whine is a really special treat.
Yes. Al Gore is a real supporter of democracy and free and fair elections. Why didn't I think of this??!
The only solution is what Cindy Sheehan is doing, to run as an independent. She'll beat Neocon Nancy easily. San Francisco will not put up with a cheaply dressed middle aged liar who pissed on the constitution and thinks the president is a 'charming man.' Cindy Sheehan will start a 50-state movement to start a Third Party, and thats cares the sh*t out of Democraps.
The Democratic Party is rotten, always has been. Corrupt, criminal.
The really scary part is that they probably know the place, day and time of the next 9/11 and will let it happen anyway. And you know what, Democraps, Bush will blame it on you anyway. This time he'll be right.
Everyone knows George Bush has been lusting for dictatorship ever since he stole his first and seconnd elections in 2000 and 2004. He came close after 9/11 and even closer with his Iraq War, so now all he needs is one more terrorist attack on U.S. soil to give him the excuse to declare marshall law, postpone the election for the duration of an endless emergency and begin arresting thousands of "suspects" = anyone who actively opposes his fascist agenda. Yet, despite such a horrendous threat, the American people appear stunned, hypnotized and too frightened to demand the only legal remedy - impeachment.
Whew! What a tragedy!!!!
Gonzales is a known liar and political hack...so lets put our privacy soley in his hands...duh!!!
He has turned the Justice Dept into a political hit squad for the Republicans, and a stone wall to protect the corrupt Republicans...
and it is obvious that he will now use the unprecidented evesdropping powers to further attack the Democrats and protect the Republicans
It the Dems cant fight Bush, how are they going to fight Osamma?
I have to disagree, rbrisbane. There is no way Sheehan will beat Pelosi. What two things do Pelosi and Tom DeLay have in common besides both becoming Speaker? Both have the proven ability to raise buckets of cash for elections. Speaker was Pelosi's reward for being a disciplined fund raiser.
Until we have public financing of elections, I'm afraid we're stuck with these perpetual incumbents.
Wouldn't it be interesting: Dennis Kucinich vs. Ron Paul?
This article now represents the conventional wisdom. But Chris Floyd has a far more plausible intrepretation: http://www.chris-floyd.com/Articles/Articles/Danse_Macabre%3A_An_Apology_to_Democrats/
This post is dead on. I just don't get it. I don't get it. I've supported the democrats all of my adult life - I worked for an important one on Capitol Hill before 94 - and though I have been disappointed with my party before, I have never been disgusted. I am disgusted. Bush now says he wants MORE power when Congress gets back from recess. Well, duh. You Idiots. Idiots. You just gave them a blank check for a whole lot of things, not the least of which is to SPY ON YOU. Can't win elections very well when the other side knows your every move. What political figure in the United States doesn't discuss matters that "involve foreign intelligence" with foreign nationals? Frankly, the way I read this legislation, if you so much as call for support on your HP laptop (which routes to India) you are now subject to non-regulated U.S. executive branch surveillance. The bill of rights was toasted, folks - this nightmare has truly hit a new stage now. Thanks for voting in the Secret Police, Dems. Such organizations have such a lovely track-record historically.
Conrad:
Thanks for the link. Very interesting read.
I am a lifelong Democrat and I say you pick your battles. Whether is it CAFE or FISA or anything else, you deal with what is MOST important. Getting a decent living wage for workers is important, setting fuel economy standards can wait. The FISA issue is a no win situation. If you vote against more intrusion, you are soft on terrorism. If Bush truly violates peoples rights with any of the signing orders or legal provisions, then they will get him. A bit after the fact but remember, any law can be repealed or changed at anytime. It is the Constitution has must be changed with the permission of a very large majority that counts. True, Republicans have packed the courts with right wing conservatives, but they do not control all of it. This country has not fallen into the iron grip of the fascists, they just want you to think it has.
O.K. now. I've had it with the Dem's. I will only vote FOR an individual that actually represents the people and will protect our Contitution and our rights. I like the idea of a third party, but we can't get it off the ground fast enough. I think a better idea is to start a PAC that will only raise money for independent candidates that swaer allegence to the Constitution, Bill of Rights, and the PEOPLE!!!
I believe that Cindy has a chance. But she needs all the dollars and help she can get to get her message across and educate folks. That goes for ANY independent candidate that is willing to run against the status quo.
Look, if we even have an election in '08, it won't matter whether the Rebugs or the Dumbs get in. We are already a fascist republic. The only difference between the two parties is how fast the general public will realize this. With the Dumbs, it's like a frog in a pot being raised to a slow boil. Your dead before you figure out what is going on. At least with the Repugs, the frog gets thrown into an already boiling pot and is dead before you know it. So, what's the difference. The end result is the same.
It is horribly important that you vote in the primaries. Not for who you think might win, but for someone you actually believe in. No more least of evils. Evil ALWAYS wins that battle.
When it comes to the election itself, I can't vote for ANY candidate that will not protect and defend the Constitution, Bill of Rights, and the people of America. Period! I don't really care who becomes president or wins any elected office or what party they come from anymore. I want to vote my beliefs and my conscience (sp). I will NEVER support a candidate because of their party affilition. My vote is all I have left. I will not give it to any candidate that does not represent me. EVER! I've had it.
It should be obvious to everyone by now that the "fight" between Democrats and Republicans is merely a puppet show to distract the masses while their money and freedom is being stolen...
Look beind the curtain and you will see that the Right(R) and Left(D)hands belong to the same entity, operating both puppets.
Folks,
Time to let go of the Democrats. Free yourself. You always maintain an option to vote for them.
But you don't have to automatically donate money or vote for them ( while holding your nose at the same time) just because they are not Repugs.
Politics as usual will prove ineffective if and when the next terrorist attack gives Bush the excuse to declare marshall law, postpone the elections and begin arresting thousands of "suspects" including anyone who actively opposes his fascist agenda.
HMMMMM...Do I support the Democrats or the Republicans....Democtats or Republicans....difficult decision.
I haven't had this difficult a decision to make since both the Gambino and Genovese Crime Families were arguing about who got to burn down my business and extort protection money from me.
I agree with canuckchuck August 6th, 2007 2:49 pm.
Here's a quote from the Chris Floyd article Conrad posted a link to above where Floyd is quoting Arthur Silber characterizing the Democrats:
"Endless war, an increasingly oppressive surveillance state, the evisceration of individual freedom and civil liberties, and ongoing chaos and destruction are all what they want.
"None of this is an 'error', or a 'mistake in judgment', or 'good intentions' gone awry. This is what they want.
"Never, ever forget it."
Quoting from: sjc_1 August 6th, 2007 2:29 pm
"I am a lifelong Democrat and I say you pick your battles.
"...This country has not fallen into the iron grip of the fascists, they just want you to think it has."
sjc, I think you're in denial. Too much of what's happened since 9/11 comes right out of Hitler's playbook:
"Through clever and constant application of propaganda, people can be made to see paradise as hell, and also the other way round, to consider the most wretched sort of life as pardise."
- Adolf Hitler -
German chancellor, Nazi leader
Mein Kampf
c. 1925 - 1926
Singapore is a model superficial 'democracy' in the New World Order. America's following lock-step behind.
"Singapore is a model superficial 'democracy' in the New World Order. "
At least Singapore has a good universal health care system.
Frosty bunny,
Not necessarily. If you view the election as contingent solely on having money, then you may be right. Though at this stage I'm beginning to wonder if a larger conspiracy isn't afoot. That is, the president is chosen non-democratically long beforehand, and a lot of money is simply thrown at him/her to make it SEEM like money talks. That is, media coverage and money are tossed in as convenient smoke camoflague to generate this cynical sentiment, "Yeah, they got in because they had a lot of money..." Perhaps we should be so lucky that it was merely money?
The reason I raise this issue is that in the blogging/internet day in which a probably the majority og under-40 people get their information from free and quasi-free sources, the influence of money -- either to get air time or to make it seem like money did it -- is minimized.
I'm wondering if we'll see the day when the people, through the blogs, independent media, etc. absolutely cannot stand candidate X, but they get elected anyway. Then we'll see the extent of corruption in the system, the futility of voting, and that my theory on money will prove correct: perhaps money is just cover, it is not the deciding factor.
Already Clinton is touted as the "most electible". Worked really well for Kerry, didn't it? He, who was suddenly selected when he was polling below Lieberman. Clinton has higher negatives than any of them--from both sides, yet it is obvious to all that she is the selected. Should anyone emerge as a serious populist threat--not on the agenda, the class that monopolized all the levers of power will knock them flat and crush them. And we will be instructed to laugh or sneer or isolate them or tell them it is impossible, or complain about their egos or they are whiners. It is all so transparent--but what is so frightening is the SUCKERS who buy into all this and like battered wives, hope and pray that their party faithful will change come tomorrow.
Frosty bunny, are you comparing Pelosi with Delay in an attempt to convince us that Sheehan can't beat Pelosi? First, look at where Delay is now, indicted and out of congress. Second, Sheehan can raise a lot of cash as well. And third, San Francisco is not stupid.
They can see a lying, corrupt Bush enabler when they see one. I hope we can see a mug shot of Pelosi when she's booked by the Hague soon, I bet she'll have the same smirk Delay had in his.
Regardless of winning chances, I will be supporting Cindy's campaign.
Go Cindy! Go kick that AIPAC girl's butt!
jspkim August 6th, 2007 3:27 pm
"At least Singapore has a good universal health care system."
If workers in America weren't stupid enough to sell their labor without the added benefit of health and dental care, maybe we'd have a full-coverage system here, too.
One of my first jobs right out of high school in 1974 was working as a cashier in a car wash. That $5.00 an hour job provided medical and dental benefits. It wasn't a union job but I thank the strength of the labor unions back then for creating a competitive labor market.
But, that was then...
The "strong tough" Dims caved again (even in the majority) to give Bush nearly unlimited wiretapping ability. Who needs them? If there is no alternative to Hillary Obama, count me out as a voter in this phony selection. It's time to give up on the both wings of the Corporate party.
lastdregs August 6th, 2007 3:59 pm
"...voting public…never more irrelevent..."
I've come to the same conclusion. Are these other folks debating whether to vote democrat or independent, that corporate sell-out or this progressive populist, even living in reality?
As Siouxrose said yesterday, we are the proverbial frogs in the stew pot....
My grandmother used to say, "Hope for the best. Prepare for the worst?"
How do we go about joining together to prepare for the worst?
stop mourning the slow death of the democrats. one party, two wings. they are the usefull idiots that that are helping to keep the public at bay while their friends strangle the last bit of life out of the constitution and bill of rights. things are just being prepped for the next 9-11 so the official enactment of the police state can be instituted. and think about it, once the hammer falls all that will be required of you is to shut up and continue shopping and nothing will happen to you. obviously, many who posted on this thread realize this. covering their backsides (cashflow) sure, voting public...never more irrelevent. all we are witnessing is human (animal) nature unchecked: as we have "evolved" we no longer kill for sustenance, we kill for comfort and pleasure. shouldn't we take pride in being natures' highest form of intelligent life? rhetorical, to say the most.
"I have to disagree, rbrisbane. There is no way Sheehan will beat Pelosi. What two things do Pelosi and Tom DeLay have in common besides both becoming Speaker? Both have the proven ability to raise buckets of cash for elections. Speaker was Pelosi's reward for being a disciplined fund raiser."
I really don't get why 'fundraising' is such an important aspect in 'winning' in an election. Politicians raise funds because they want to get their political message out, right ? Now, YOU, as the electorate, have to decide, you have to understand that somebody who has raised a large amount of funds is in fact a very COMPROMISED candidate. S/He has been bribed, so s/he cannot pursue the voter's interest effectively any more. You already KNOW this, so what does it help if some idiot spends millions of dollars trying to convince you of something else: you already KNOW what it is that you want and it is INTEGRITY and that does not cost any money.
Remember: the voter always has the last word in a democracy and you should insist on this.
Send a clear message out to your representatives: anybody spending money on trying to convince you with hollow slogans, is wasting their money ! In that way, you can FORCE the politicians to go with publicly financed campaigns.
Try this list and see if its fits.
, 2004
American Fascism
Dr. Lawrence Britt has examined the fascist regimes of Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia) and several Latin American regimes. Britt found 14-defining characteristics common to each:
1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism - Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays. TOP
2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights - Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.
3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause - The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.
4. Supremacy of the Military - Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.
5. Rampant Sexism - The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Divorce, abortion and homosexuality are suppressed and the state is represented as the ultimate guardian of the family institution.
6. Controlled Mass Media - Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.
7. Obsession with National Security - Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.
8. Religion and Government are Intertwined - Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.
9. Corporate Power is Protected - The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.
10. Labor Power is Suppressed - Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.
11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts - Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts and letters is openly attacked.
12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment - Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.
13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption - Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.
14. Fraudulent Elections - Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.
Gee........ Looks like all 14 are in place.