The Real Debate About Iraq Is Between Real, Fake War Foes
The real debate about Iraq is just beginning to take shape. It's not about whether U.S. troops should begin to leave Iraq. A vast majority of Americans now agree on that point. Even at the White House, insiders say, they've accepted it as inevitable.
The real debate is between genuine opponents of the war, who really want to end our involvement in Iraq, and fake opponents who use antiwar language to mask their endorsement of a continuing, perhaps permanent, U.S. presence in that war-torn land.
Genuine opponents of the war argue that the U.S. cannot restore order in Iraq, because it is the U.S. occupation forces (civilian as well as military) that are the main source of disorder. You can't put out a fire by heaping more fuel on it. Iraq will remain war-torn until all U.S. military personnel, civilian contractors, and private security forces leave. So they should leave. All of them. ASAP. Genuine antiwar voices have been making these points for a long time. For most of that time, they were derided or ignored.
Now that the war is so unpopular, everyone with their finger to the political wind is rushing to catch the antiwar train before it leaves the station. Suddenly that train is very crowded. Genuine war opponents have a hard time getting their voices heard, since many of the newcomers have much more political clout and media savvy.
But the genuine faction now has something new to say, which you won't hear for a while in the mainstream media: Far too many of the newcomers are fakes. They shout loudly that they want the war to end now. But they choose their words very carefully. They talk about withdrawing troops but are careful never to say "all troops." They endorse withdrawing "combat" troops (a technical term that covers less than half of all U.S. forces in Iraq) or just "starting to withdraw" troops. They oppose "establishing" permanent bases, but they don't say anything against keeping the bases (some of them small cities) that have already been built. And they would let the Pentagon decide which bases are officially "permanent." They never mention the ever-increasing air war, nor the civilian forces.
Behind that smokescreen, the fakes are busy building support for the next phase of the war. In that phase, tens of thousands (perhaps up to a hundred thousand) U.S. troops would stay in Iraq. What would they do? There is an emerging bipartisan consensus among the fakes. Some troops would be "redeployed" to the north, to protect our friends the Kurds, and others "redeployed" to Afghanistan. Some would stay to "defend" Iraq's borders, which conveniently happen to be the borders of Iran and Syria too. Some would wage the war on terrorism inside Iraq. Some would "train" (read: help to lead) the Iraqi government's fledgling army. The top three Democratic candidates for president, among others, espouse all these plans.
How can they call this ending the war? The premise is that most Americans don't really care how many Iraqis are killed, as long as few American soldiers are killed. So the public would assume the war is over, stop paying attention, and allow U.S. forces to continue their long-range plan for securing a permanent and decisive presence in Iraq. Those forces (including an increased proportion of Air Force and Special Forces) could do anything the government wants them to do, since no one would be watching. Meanwhile, the thousands of civilian security personnel could continue to do whatever they like and be wholly unaccountable.
Genuine war opponents often oppose this vision of continued war on moral grounds. But they don't have to. They can just point out the obvious practical problem: The fakes, who are trying to fool the nation, are most of all fooling themselves.
The fakes assume that if the U.S. military changes its modus operandi, far fewer Americans would die. Do they think the Iraqi resistance fighters, who risk their lives to oust the 160,000 U.S. troops and countless civilian security forces, will call off the fight once there are "only" 80,000 or 50,000 U.S. troops and countless civilian security forces still occupying their land? Do they think Iraqis will let long-term U.S. forces go about their violent business without interference? Do they think Iraqis will not see and resist a continuing U.S. effort to control their internal affairs? Do they think the war will really end and Americans will stop dying? If so, they are dreaming.
The only way to stanch the loss of American blood is to end the war - really, genuinely, completely. So the debate between genuine and fake antiwar voices is the only real debate about ending the war. The first step is to unmask the fakes and make them come clean about their true position. That means: read and listen carefully; separate the wheat from the chaff; and spread the word.
Ira Chernus is Professor of Religious Studies at the University of Colorado at Boulder and author of Monsters To Destroy: The Neoconservative War on Terror and Sin. Email: chernus@colorado.edu
© 2007 The Boulder Daily Camera
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13 Comments so far
Show AllThe delay in pulling out is cynical stalling by repubs to save face before next year's election. A delay which is already being reframed as a partial pull out that leaves a large permanent force. Which is a troop reduction not a pull out. We will leave they say...except for those who will stay? Cute huh? Bush and this enabling congress put us there. Who is surprised that it is they who want us to stay there? Meanwhile, the old guard (fossilization may be setting in but then who could really tell with half of them) Congress gives bush extra-presidential powers and rubber stamped the patriot act which apparently allowed bush to futher subvert the constitution at will, years after it was signed unread. Our congress still tries to claim some justification in that they signed it without reading it first. Though so many of them are lawyers, no one ever told them never to sign anything without reading it first? Now that they have had time to read it they could change it or does the patriot act give only bush the power to change it too? Though attempting to wash their hands very early on, their hands have continued getting dirty nevertheless. This congress (you know the congress I'm talking about...the ones who have been there since reagan and even nixon days)allows unconstitutional(and formerly virtually secret)signing statements to be treated with all the validity of royal edicts! The congress which gave bush war powers which apparently allowed him to expand them at will as the years (and tours of duty) have gone by. To congress' thinking even this craven abdication of their congressional duty (despicable in the face of the blood being shed) should be no impediment to their reelection. So with repeatedly washed hands, they seek to absolve themselves of responsibility. Pontius Pilate washed his hands of responsibility but it didn't wash with history! Neither will history absolve this congress of their failing in their constitutional duty (and oversight powers) in favor of bush's unitary (royalized)presidency. The same politicians who put us there of course want us to stay there. Are you surprised at this? Pulling out of even a corrupt debacle would look make us look bad? Yes ...especially for them. Having put us there, these jaded cynics think only that leaving will hurt their election chances. Pulling out would make it look like they have made mistakes, that while under their watch that people ...that THEY ...were somehow incompetent and worse that they were so corrupt that it was enough to cause their own unnecessary enterprise to fail. Now how would that look for them come election time, to have to admit their bungling incompetence? So they stall. They'll spin failure into 'there are signs of progress' endlessly though no evidence of progress is actually visible. But Ira says it straight. The part the politicians ignore or at present skip around. The iraqis do not want us in their country. Yet Ira reminds us of what the mainstream media and our politicians seem never to mention... that the iraqis won't want us in their country LATER either. They don't want us and will keep fighting as long as we are there. Bush's lopsided oil contracts will ensure that. So the politicians reframe with precision and redefine by obsfucation. When all else fails ...they revert to their basic natures and dissemble. Where is truth? I don't know but I do know one thing that is most certainly true... the blood soaked ground. They send 20 year old kids to die now only so that they can stall until the elections. Who even knows how many iraqis are being killed? They stall while the blood keeps soaking into the ground. That is the truth. With only 2 hours of electricity a day one can hardly plug in an electric clock ... so time in iraq is measured by... the accumulation of dead bodies. Otherwise time stands still in iraq.
Personally, I would deem the anti-war foes "fake" until they acknowledge that the war was wholly unnecessary to our self-defense and therefore illegal under international law. And that the US bears primary responsibility for creating a massive, wholly unnecessary humanitarian crisis.
By this standard, all candidates are "fake".
Posted this i the wrong thread by accident. No doubt - the Orwellian overtones are not accidental or incidental in the fake/real war discussion. I firmly believe that like the press corps- we are also beigng embedded in a deliberate manner -so that nonsensical, paradoxical and deliberate lies are being fed to everyone so that a reasoned mind and approach will become truly unthinkable. Dissent is being killed due to the supersizing of double speak and constant exosure of the SAME stories on EVERY single major news outlet.
The quote in money masters (great video on google) goes something like this:
"Those who understand the system are so dependent on it for its benefits that they will go along with anything proposed."
In short - everyone in politics - no exceptions - and business, governent etc - all like the ride on the gravy train and therefore despite moral, ethical, and personal conflicts will not and dare not speak out. Surely when the carte blanche offered to those admitted into the elite class is so enormously generous- it is a small price to pay in giving up your soul.
What I find most troubling - is the fact the United States has definitely undergone a brilliant bloodless coup. In the short span of a few decades - social reform, accountability and regulation for the benefit of the public good has eroded and almost disappeared -except for the sake of 'appearance'. The government acting of behalf of the people, for the people has virtually disappeared as the democrats so aptly demostrate EVRY day.
Why - then - despite the explosion of blogs, websites, articles, protest's has there been no massive staging of civil disobedience -say as in France?
The answer quite simply lies in the supposed pathological aim of the book called the 'Fight Club'. The goal if many of the fans and cult followers remember was destruction of the credit agencies - or more specifically the records. If these major consortiums of public databases were destroyed - instantantly our world would be thrown into dissarray.
Why? Because - fractional reserve bankig no longer depends on reserves - instead it depends on debt. A quick aside - the meaning of the word Mortgage -comes from French and means 'DeathGrip". An apt metaphor and an unsual display of honesty. This may also give some insight into why we have a huge credit explosion- simultaneously with a huge debt explosion.
The bloodless coup of the US government succeeds BECAUSE of DEBT. It doesn't matter what kind - Credit Card, Mortgage, Loans etc. The more debt the average american is forced to under take the greater the grip. As can be seen - this has worked splendidly.
Millions upon millions of hard working, honest americans are silenced by the heavy shadow of debt. To make sure that even the efficient saver of funds and frugal persons are pressured - we have assisted government debt - no I don't mean Fannie Mae, School Loans - facades that cloak the greedy faces of bloddless corporations -but rather-TAX.
Property tax -ensures you can never truly retire-even after paying off your debt. Add to that the slowly infringing hands of income tax on almost everything -including social security!! (isn't this the double jeopardy of taxation?!!?)
I think thats what it is all about. A nation gripped by debt and hence there is no reason to manufacture consent - or fear disobedience. The recent bankruptcy law change is just another example of a meticulously planned coup that has reduced elections to a mere ceremony and the courts to perfunctory aides in the execution of power and abrogation of even nominal protections.
It's amazing how insightful the book was - and quite frankly my question is where is the fight in the American people?
See what handy tools superstition and jingoism are? All pols have to do is mention God and country and the sheeple will shit bricks for them.
And by all means, let's not reward the fakes by electing them president! Unfortunately, the fakes are in the lead, thanks to an easily-fooled public who can't see the Bush in Hillary or the Bill Clinton in Obama. We just keep electing the wrong people and reaping the bad consequences.
My dad used to say you could tell a good President by how much they aged in office. Reagan, Bush and Junior had not aged a day in office, because basically they do not care.
Carter and Clinton on the other hand aged quite a bit in office, because they took the job seriously. This does not mean that you should work yourself to death, but it is a serious job and anyone that takes it as such can not escape the gravity of the situation.
Warmongers often appeal to five core concerns—about issues of vulnerability, injustice, distrust, superiority, and helplessness—in order to galvanize public support for their agenda. I examine how Bush/Cheney and their neocon allies have used these particular appeals to promote the misguided and destructive Iraq war in a 10-minute online video entitled "Resisting the Drums of War" available for viewing HERE. Looking ahead, the continuing occupation of Iraq–or an attack on Iran–will likely be sold to us in much the same way.
How can the real debate be about a "war" that never happened? We illegally invaded a sovereign nation and blew it to hell. Then we decided to illegally occupy a sovereign nation and continue blowing it to hell.
The real "real" debate is: should America continue to illegally occupy a country that has already asked us to leave or not. There is only one right answer.
All hail Bush Bush Bush.
Most of the candidates (the serious ones like Hillary) are admitting what anybody with an IQ above 50 knows. If we started tomorrow, it would take 2 years MINIMUM to withdraw all the troops and that's if you did it as fast as possible by re-positioning to an ajoining country before trying to actually bring them all home.
"You can't put out a fire by heaping more fuel on it"
Actually, you can.
An often used tequnique used to fight oil well fires is to use explosives to use up all the oxygen around the fire, thus extinguishing it.
Yes, indeed; those who don't really want to completely leave Iraq or end the propagandized shadow war, are fakes. That includes simpletons who think they have the right to enter Pakistan. None of the in-office candidates are worth the dust that blows in their faces except for Dennis, who is brilliant.
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Well Professor Chernus you've just eliminated most of the candidates for '08. All those regarded with legitimate chances at the nomination at least, and most of the others except those with little chance at all (Dennis.)
s'OK though, cause with every passing day it appears more of a charade.
Take note: Bill Richardson is not a fake war promoter. He says they ALL should come out ASAP. I hope more people will take a look at him.