A New Order of The Ages
There is a principle in A Course in Miracles stating that it is not up to us what we learn, but only whether we learn through joy or through pain. In a universe that is, quite literally, the ongoing evolutionary impulse to love -- the spiritual process through which Love extends itself throughout space and time - the individual's only true assignment is to learn to actualize the love within.
Wherever in our thinking we are bound by fear, the universe is invested in teaching us the transformative and freeing power of love. Where we are judgmental, the universe is invested in teaching us the ways of forgiveness. Where we are harsh, the universe is invested in teaching us how to be gentle. Where we are competitive, the universe is invested in teaching us the value of co-operation. Where we are ambitious, the universe is invested in teaching us the ways of inspiration. Where we are irresponsible toward our material resources, the universe is invested in teaching us the art of stewardship. Where we are defensive, the universe is invested in teaching us the power of defenselessness. Where we would attack, the universe is invested in teaching us that we are one with all, and therefore can only attack ourselves.
Where we have lessons to learn, the universe conspires to teach us. At first, the lessons are easy enough, even pleasant to learn. We're given the opportunity to learn, with joy, how to live our lives with more integrity and love.
Yet whatever lesson we refuse to learn, comes round again until we do -- each time appearing in a more sobering form, with more serious implications should we refuse to learn it. We do have free will, but we do not have the freedom to slow down the universe. Our learning fuels the momentum of the universe, which will not be allowed to stop. One way or the other, we will learn what we need to learn ... even if we have to learn it through suffering.
I think that is where Western Civilization -- particularly American civilization -- is today. There are lessons we keep refusing to learn, and we are bordering on having to learn them through pain. A nation is simply a collection of individuals, and must follow the same growth imperatives as do any of its members. Just as individuals are forced to grow, and to change where necessary, so is a country. There is ultimately no survival where there is no adaptation to change.
In fact, America is going to change. The only question is whether we will choose to change by embracing wisdom - repudiating the lies of a dysfunctional, increasingly dangerous worldview of an economic system predicated on the goal of short-term economic gain for the privileged few - or we will be forced by circumstances to make a quantum leap into our next stage of growth, embracing humanitarian concern as the new organizing principle of human civilization. The only real question at this point is how much suffering will have to occur before we wake up to the lesson before us. We can change now, making the transition fairly peacefully (not that violence does not already rage); or we can refuse to change, thereby inviting a greater intensity of disaster with every day we wait.
In A Course in Miracles, it is written that some people would rather die than change their mind.
Our situation today is similar to that of President DeKlerk of South Africa in 1990. A tipping point had been reached in global awareness; the end of apartheid was an idea whose time had come. DeKlerk could see saw the writing on the wall, reporting to his fellow Afrikaners that the jig was up: South Africa would have to change. The only question before them was whether the transition to the end of apartheid would come with inestimable bloodshed, or with relative peace. White Afrikaners could cling longer to an inequitable system through the sheer force of self-will, or release Nelson Mandela from jail and partner with him to create a new South Africa. DeKlerk was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize along with Mandela for that reason: his courage in saying what had to be said -- that South Africa must move toward a post-apartheid society -- was as important as Mandela's leadership once it got there. What South Africa needed to learn, the universe made sure it was going to learn; the country's only choice was how much pain was going to accompany the learning.
This moment, today, marks the end of a huge chapter in human history, carrying with it -- as does the end of every stage of growth -- the invitation to begin an even greater one. The myriad end-of-the- world scenarios filling the air today emerge from a fear-based ego's inevitable argument that if we do not go its way, then there is no way to go. But in fact, there is. There is another way to live, to be, to think, to behave -- and yes, to organize human civilization; the fact that the mind that manufactured the world we live in now cannot imagine what that would be, is certainly no sign that another way does not exist. The change from who we are right now to who we can and shall be once we have embraced this opportunity for change, represents a quantum leap forward in our spiritual as well as our political, economic, and social development.
There is a sense of interconnectedness -- among peoples and among nations -- that is sweeping the world today. It represents the next great wave of human consciousness, and the United States should be at the forefront of this wave; it should not be bringing up the rear. This wave emerges not from a particular intellectual or geographic region, but from a place in our awareness; an understanding in the brain and a state of wonder in the heart. It posits love not only as the greatest good but as the greatest power as well. If we had seen the amelioration of unnecessary human suffering as our "most vital national interest" over the last fifty years, the world today would be in a radically different and far less dangerous place.
America should not be known by the world simply for its material strength. It should be known for its goodness; for the greatness of its ideals. From Jefferson's genius imbued in the Declaration of Independence to Lincoln's emancipation of the slaves, from Kennedy's establishment of the Peace Corps to Neil Armstrong's first step on the moon, we have throughout our history -- not always to be sure, but often enough that we should not forget it -- pursued ideals that pointed humanity toward its betterment. Should American greatness become frozen in the past, no longer pursued? Should the dreaming of a more perfect state of being be trivialized? Should the effort to establish what our founders called "a new order of the ages" be turned into mere cliché by the cynicism of our new ruling elite?
This country should apologize: to our ancestors, many of whom gave their lives for an ideal of America which we have compromised at best and repudiated at worst; to other nations who have been affected by wrong choices we have made when our hearts and minds were weakened; to God, to each other and in a way to our own grandchildren. Seeing how we have failed the past, perhaps we will rededicate ourselves to the future.
Today, no less than in Lincoln's time, our country can have a "new birth of freedom," deciding anew that "government of the people, by the people and for the people shall not perish from the earth." Yet Lincoln knew well the connection between freedom and economics. He warned, "I see in the future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country. As a result of the war, corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed." More than a decade later, President Rutherford B. Hayes would lament that we had become a government "... of the corporations, by the corporations and for the corporations." At least he said it. Today, most politicians don't warn us of this situation so much as they promote it and protect it.
We have allowed a new aristocracy to steal a Presidential election, fight an imperialistic war, turn back years of effort at nuclear non-proliferation, nearly destroy America's moral authority in the world, pillage our natural resources -and thus fall tragically behind the wave of humanity's uprising of consciousness at the dawn of the 21st Century.
Yet still we have everything we need -- probably for the first time in human history -- to create a planet that could work for everyone. There is a new conversation in the world -- of sustainability, of deep humanitarianism, of genuine social progress -- though you wouldn't know it, listening to most of our government officials today. There is new hope, though you wouldn't know it if you rely only on mainstream media for your news. And there is another way, though you would only know it if you look for it with your heart. Today, there is nothing short of a new possibility for life on earth. And America -- having in so many ways set the stage for the emergence of this possibility -- should now be its most passionate proponent. We should focus the extraordinary genius of this country on something far, far greater than the small-minded ambitions of greedy men. We should harness the extraordinary power of this country in the service of ways to wage peace, not war. And we should rededicate the future of this country not only to our own prosperity but to uplifting the human condition.
Nothing is more American than the audacity to dream big. Having historically dreamed some of humanity's most beautiful dreams, we are called upon now to dream its biggest dream yet. As our founders strove to form "a more perfect union," we can strive to form a more perfect world. That is the lesson inherent in all the challenges that face us now: that the world will change, when we do. When we consciously dedicate ourselves to creating a more loving planet, then that which is not love will fall of its own dead weight.
America will learn this. We will learn it through joy or we will learn through pain. But we will learn.
Marianne Williamson has published nine books. She has done extensive non-profit organizing, having founded both Project Angel Food in Los Angeles as well as The Peace Alliance. A 2007 Newsweek reader's poll named her one of the 50 most influential baby boomers. Marianne broadcasts a weekly radio program on The Oprah and Friends Radio, XM 156. The show airs every Tuesday and is repeated on weekends. Her website is www.marianne.com
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Show AllCalling your article "A New Order of the Ages" sounds frighteningly close to "A New World Order".
Marianne, I know you. And, I know that you are well read, well informed and both quite intelligent and very perceptive. I do not understand how you could cite the historical events you did, knowing how the "official history" is written by those who write the books and own the media.
Through the years of association with you at the church you once led, I heard you make many contradictions. So often you spoke of the highest principle of ACIM as "I need do nothing", and that this world is an illusion. Conversely, you also acquainted me with the quote...
"First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out -
because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out -
because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out -
because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me - and there was no one left to speak for me."
So which is it? Do we speak truth to power? Do we just meditate because it is not love, so it must just be an illusion?
The "New Age Movement" philosophy can be a fatal psychic tranquilizer for it's followers during a very dangerous and pivital time on this planet. You once told me that I had "too much time to think". I look back at that conversation and wished I'd asked you how that could be possible.
"The unexamined life is not worth living."- Socrates
I ask all of you in cyberland...PLEASE use the mind our Creator bestowed upon you. Read other people's thoughts, but stop looking for a guru, for you can only rise as high as your guru can go. Any questions you allow to be answered from an outside source means giving away all the God-connected power that dwells in you.
"Nothing real can be threatened.
Nothing unreal exists.
Herein lies the peace of God."
This is how A Course in Miracles begins. The article above is muddy at best.
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"America" does not exist. Dig it?
The sentiment Marianne writes about sounds good ("embracing humanitarian concern as the new organizing principle of human civilization"). And her prediction of future trends are thought provoking("There is a sense of interconnectedness — among peoples and among nations — that is sweeping the world today. It represents the next great wave of human consciousness, and the United States should be at the forefront of this wave"). Good stuff and I would like to see where the author goes with it. That is where I think the article gets a little lost. Lots of jargon (ACIM jargon?) is strung together that I think can mean a lot of different things depending on who is reading. By jargon I mean the references to love, fear, the universe is invested in, learn through joy, learn to actualize love, attack, oneness, attack ourselves, slow down the universe, learn through suffering, embracing wisdom. There are too many ways that all this could be interpreted for me to get what the author means.
Sure the world will change but why should the US be at the forefront? How will the world change when we do and what is a more loving planet. These are great themes and would be great to see them developed.
I have a book by a psychiatrist/acupuncturist, Leon Hammer. There are some amazing statements germane to the larger world. One regards individuals incorporating authority into themselves.
Here's the other one I go back to from time to time:
"This pursuit [of perfection by nevertheless realistic people] is founded on the slowly evolving love of men for one another and on the quest for their common good. This love emerged socially in the eighteenth, nineteenth, and twentieth centuries as one man's respect for another's autonomy, freedom, and liberty and as the giving up of some power to the powerless. It did not happen without a struggle, and nothing was given away charitably."
I could qwibble with a couple details of significance, but in some important respects I find it accurate sociologically speaking...and in terms of whole earth ethos as well.
To analyze ourselves for me also means to go beyond Jung, Campbell, and Wilber. For me it means to understand the paradigm of mimetic rivalry, as described by Rene Girard.
I think of that poet David Kirby I heard on Bob Edwards, and I think of all the inspiration on the shelves that'll just go to the dump...because sane but DIFFICULT challenges that are kind enough to the individual have just gone out the window in the economy of "service," LBOs, condos, and hedgefunds. The teaching challenges like keeping up with farm work pale before "be all you can be." But the former were the kind that incorporate authority into one's make up with minimal flip-outage. You finish a day of the new challenges, or a week, and you're too drained to check that stuff on the shelf. The new challenges drain all the life force, and then send you out for a quick non-discriminating "cultural" fix and/or chemical fix.
All these losses. All these natural teachers gone. Love and respect will have to find a way. At bottom this IMO underlies Taoism too, so I can hope the new econ imperial force will get its bearings back some day just like I hope we will.
I heard some musician from a sort of world-beat LA band the other day on ATC/NPR. They've played all over the world, and the guy said people "love" Americans everywhere but don't like our gov's policies. That was a hopeful sign...in terms of maybe we can still "dream big."
I became aware of Marianne's work when she first started writing and speaking, and reading this thread now I think I've identified what always made me resistant to joining her fan club. It's that she tends to attract devotees focused in great admiration on her rather than on internalizing/questioning her ideas (many of which I agree with). That situation always throws up a "Caution" sign for me. Along with the fact that there never is any doubt expressed in her writing; she seems to speak from a position of transcendent knowledge that also tends to create followers rather than to inspire listeners to become their own teachers.
PAB:
With all due respect, I don't see/feel any need to try to get you (or others) to 'see things my way' or to change your mind. As you know, you're doing fine. Glad that you're aware of the issues and are staying sane.
Keep on keepin on!
Peace & Love
AYMON: One more point. The Yugas point to this time cycle as a particularly dense and materialistic one, therefore the metaphysical truths seeping into public discourse and/or the publishing world often come off as tainted. Marianne may be a more pure teacher, but she's operating in a nexus that commercializes everything. Nothing is left sacred. She certainly teaches the power of forgiveness and that is always a good thing. It just seems to me that once someone becomes a media celebrity, a lot of their message gets lost in the "get it now!" machine of gross materiality. Capitalism has sold Earth Mother like a whore to the highest bidder, and we wonder why the climate is collapsing, why entire species are disappearing in the blink of an eye. To me, every specie is a strand in a comprehensive web of life, and as so many get cut, the web itself loses its strength and capacity to hold together. "Whatsoever you do to the least of these is done unto me." And of course, that statement applies to the wounded children, the starving mothers, the widows and widowers of a land that has seen far too much violence. Ironic that it's the cradle of civilization and/or the birthplace of the world's purportedly great religions. That religion has come to serve as the fig leaf for war I see as the 20th and 21st century's already greatest calamity... even if the real purposes are access to oil, global domination, and falsely beefing up the now-rendered impotent US dollar. As I have said often, Mammon in cahoots with Mars rules... but they call it "god" and think they can get away with murder, as if the Bush junta carries a karmic free pass. Well, it's late... time to try to sleep.
P.S. Dear AYMON, your compliments are like receiving a bouquet of roses. I wish I could do more to alleviate the suffering in Iraq. As a writer, I can only hope that the words that come through me can move enough minds and hearts (if not in OUR generation, then for those who come after us) to make this world a place where war is NOT possible! This atrocity underway I PRAY is the war to end all wars. Luckily there is so much crap going on with one neocon conviction, accusation, or legal hocus pocus that maybe these are all distractions to preclude a further aggressive act against Iran. Let us hope so. Perhaps this IS Divine intervention... seen in small ways, like the traffic delay that keeps the good citizen from getting on the bridge otherwise destined to collapse. (Apologies in this analogy to those victims of the Minnesota event. Thornton Wilder won a Pulitzer Prize for examining, in fiction, why a Peruvian bridge collapsed. His story was told through the perspective of a priest whose faith told him everything happens on account of God's will. The priest spends 7 years tracking the lives of the bridge's victims. It is a very metaphysical story: The Bridge of San Luis Rey.)
POWER OF LOVE, LINDER & AYMON: All excellent poitns & perspectives. If I lumped Marianne with the New Age "tribe," my apologies. I did forget about her altruistic soup kitchen work. I feel PAIN for what's going on in Iraq and that is why I am MOVED by what Aymon brings to this forum, as a voice of universal social justice. Although each of us is passionate about our own position(s), ultimately I think we all agree... that's the beautiful thing. This forum is to the mind what the gym is to the athlete, and we're stretching our "muscles" to see where they can take us in the way of MEANINGFUL action to make a difference. I think we all honor the fact that we wish to make the world a more just and humane place. I know I've already lived more than half my life, so my efforts are for future generations, not only my grandchildren, but the children and grandchildren of ALL sentient beings. Let us remember that light is sometimes taken as being white... as depicted in aura representations around saints in religious paintings; but there could be no light, certainly not white light, without a combination of all colors vibrating as they are intended to. This rainbow, aptly called the Rainbow Coalition by Jesse Jackson, is the Truth of mankind's relationship... we cannot exist without eachother. Each hue is sacred to the tree of life. As a traveler, I love the fact that different cultures dance to different musical harmonics, that the spices of India and the Arab teas are so fragrant, that the colors and textures of garments woven in different lands vary so exquisitely. A mystic once said to me, "Creator is a lover of patterns." Indeed... WE are part of the weave. Peace sisters and brothers. My heart tells me we all are on the same cosmic page here, and WANT peace for all.
Hi Linder,
An interesting line of inquiry...
I agree 100% with your saying:
"Truth IS. It is the alligning of consciousness to Truth that calls for the stretching of our ethical muscles."
I would also add that this really is the 'only thing that matters.' For to the degree we are not alligned with What Is, we are creators of suffering (our own and others')
Re- your other comment:
"How do you feel Amma would respond to a "good talkin' to" by someone who does not hold her in as high regard as yourself?…I only ask…have no idea."
People do it all the time. Like any human, if 100 people give you a talkin' to - you will respond in 100 different ways depending on relationships, context etc.
My opinions about any of this are not important at all.. What I think doesn't matter. Truth matters. And one's capacity, finally, to merge with it...to merge into the Mystery.
I will say that I believe - when it comes to matters of guides, teachers, etc...that what IS important is (if one feels so moved) to get in their presence and check 'em out for yo'sef. Like any love relationship - each of us must discover for ourselves - who it is that makes our hearts sing.
IMHO we are culturally so deprived in terms of encountering, interacting with, or even knowing about humans that have, as the Buddha put it - "Crossed over to the Other Shore." Not 1/2 way along to egolessness or any other fraction thereof.
Even so, for me it has been very useful - (to borrow from Bhakti and other yogas) - to make a distinction between >>>>> "Upa-Gurus" - beings who definitely have important things to teach us along the Way >>>>> and "Sat-Gurus" - beings who are able to nurture, guide, annoy, prod us, etc >>>>> all the way to the end of the Path - to Complete Freedom - because they have themselves arrived.
It is only at this point that it can be said we exist Only and Exclusively to relieve suffering.... and not at all for ourselves. In the mean-time we need to let our hearts break open again and again while encountering the enormous mass of suffering experienced by living beings. And then we need to act without idetification and attachment to the notion, :I am the Do-er...ie We 'allow action to be done' through us.)
And that's much easier said than done!!!
But to walk the Path involves a willingness to die to our attachments and cravings, to our loves and hates, and our ideas of who we are and how it all is. And for this journey of awakening --this "crisp trip" -- one needs a very strong stomach, awesome determination, one-pointedness and will, a heart becoming ever more tender and compassionate, and a willingness to "die into Life."
And this also means we are willing die into our Dharma, the uniquess of what only you or I - can offer the world for the relief of suffering. For one person it is the life of the mind, for another being an artisian or an artist, or a cop, or a financial manager.
For one person it's giving money and physical assistence to eliminate world hunger, for another it is educating others about global warming, for another, the rough and tumble of politics (I Love it that Al Franken [of "Rush Limbaugh is a Big Fat Idiot" fame] will be running for Senate!) One can only hear their way forward via the intuitive, compassionate heart. And a clearsighted grasp of their human limitations.
When it comes to a being who has completed the No Journey/Journey - there's nobody left at home. Such a person is utterly empty of what we would describe in conventional terms as the ego. "Nobody in the there" - (in the way you and I experience ourselves to be a "somebody") - except the utterly rare, seamless blending of human and Divine. Simply put there's nothing left but Active Love (merged with Discriminating Wisdom).
But there I go again, talkin' Way too much! Over-active throat chakra if ever I saw one....
Aymon: You've found me out. I shall now take my life in concession to my horrendous karma. I wish you well with your superior methods of meeting the needs of the victims in Iraq.
POL: Okay...and respectfully put. Thank you.
How do you feel Amma would respond to a "good talkin' to" by someone who does not hold her in as high regard as yourself?...I only ask...have no idea. Williamson similarly does not project herself as a "fully liberated one"...by any stretch.
Truth IS. It is the alligning of consciousness to Truth that calls for the stretching of our ethical muscles. Consciousness determines all action.
Mary Baker Eddy similarly defines "God" as Truth...synonomously with Life, Love, Mind, Soul, Spirit, Principle....and man in true form as the reflection of those qualities.
Earlier on this forum...those that worship that which is before them in nature find Truth.
To me...that's mankind and the language we use to often (not always) try to describe the same thing.
I accept it all...if it leads us to the very "desire to love" you attribute to dear Amma. I honor any who have the courage to throw down Love in the face of all the fear and ugly this world has to offer.
And just to be clear...when I refer to love...I mean the love that leads us to the care of others...to see that clean water, food, jobs, electricity and hospitals are restored to one of the most ancient and historic civilizations known today as Iraq....the love that causes us to give priority to our infrastructures and schools rather than to sports stadiums...love that causes us to be willing to pay whatever taxes required for the healthcare of all citizens...the kind of love that requires corporations and shareholders alike to be responsible for any wrongdoing as a result of their pursuit of the "bottomline"...the kind of love that manifests in the cessation of killing in Darfur...that love that does not tolerate violence as a means to an end...by nation or individual. The list is of course endless isn't it?
I really truly do wish to see us all THERE/HERE. And yes...to those reading this...I know simply "wishing" does not make it so...but it does direct our path to action.
I do love and respect Marianne...the human, and feel no need to set her straight etc. Although I do have to give myself a good talkin to on a daily basis. Fire myself...have to rehire myself...it's quite tedious really.
Really caring from here....
Yes Pippilin....See Dick run...See George run after Dick...See all those painful Spots. I labor to see with better eyes than that...without looking away from their consequences...to see a better direction and GO THERE!
Hope to see you all THERE in thought and action~
George and Dick would scoff at Marianne's commentary because they would be completely incapable of understanding
the concepts of "love, not fear" and "joy, not pain".
Hello again P.O.L.....Ah yes Amma. I have a dear friend living in Toronto who follows her...and also Williamson. She has indicated her great love of both women.
While folks say it is women's time to shine...and that would be our responsibility I believe...I too embrace the notion that all people have male and female qualities...and it is the female quality in us all that the world hath such need of at present.
Andrew Harvey is a great advocate of this thought. Briane Swimme is another who brings great perspective with regard to the human race in relation to all other living things, the formation and evolution of the universe. Barbara Marx Hubbard speaks of the next step of human evolution...will be by collective free will (choice)...or not.
I am grateful to anyone who can bring that measure of nurturing, compassion, maternal protectiveness to the planet. Marinne so often has lectured about the female hyena (sp?) circling her young to ensure that they are fed...and then follows: "Certainly the women of American can do as well!" Seems to be not so much about what we are capable of...as much as our willingness to follow those very intense instincts.
Though you do not find yourself exalted...I see it in you. I see it in many...seems to be our job to see it in each other. I was merely making the point that how these posts are read seem subject to great scrutiny...not such a bad thing if we could get away from the demonizing.
I don't think Williamson considers herself above the scrutiny of others...she has been taking "hits" for some time. I have seen her pained by it and continue consistently with the work. I, like you, feel very much at the knee of Truth's garment...not sure I wouldn't be totally distracted and defeated by the nastiness of the attacks. Then all my efforts would stop.
May we all continue to labor to know how to proceed and then act in that direction.
In gratitude again~
P.S. You identified your thoughts on Marianne were in consideration of "hearing and about a number of tales". I expect much of the "hits" she takes are based on such tales...and is a principle reason I have been so dogged on this forum. Quite honestly, I do not believe I could survive such viciousness and continue the work as she does. The Course identifies: "In my defenselessness my safety lies"...and this is a lesson I have yet to learn...my legal training no doubt getting in my way....again.
'poloogize...again.
Hi Linder,
And thanks for your comments. As to Ms. W's "issues" with arrogance, truly speaking, I have not a clue, other than hearing and about a number of tales. ...And my own intutive sense.
However, as I mentioned, whatever her karmic predicament -- it's hers. None of my spiritual business, really. I wouldn't have raised the issue if it hadn't come up in some previous comments... And anyways, it would be just plain dumbass and really silly for one being to think they "know" another's "karmic predicament." As one Zen Master says: "Keep that 'Don't Know Mind!!'"
But, the Dalai Lama also once said: (paraphrasing here) >>> "If your teacher is doing something wrong, you must tell them. If they continue (in your estimation) to do so, you must go to the newspapers!" He wagged his metaphorical finger and his head, while gently smiling, and added: "You Americans are too gullible. You must spy on your teachers - for 10 years, if need be..." (!)
It is critical that we examine the source (the lives) of powerful teachers (and Williamson is one). Incongruity between word and deed has bedeviled spiritual teachers since antiquity.
As to my choice of words while attempting to get out something coherent >>> I'm sure these can be experienced as "talking down to." We have all been raised in an authoritarian megaculture in which "power-over" others is the dominant metaphor. I do my best to catch, counteract, and transcend these tendencies (which I believe are deeply inculcated in us all) whenever I'm aware of them in myself... as I try to do with rascism, sexism, and all the other crapola bulwarks holding up our "dominator culture."
As to "I do not believe you intend it that way…however it certainly could be taken as you projecting yourself as the great teacher," I almost laughed out. Right >>> I am so far from that (supposed) exalted state, it's not funny. Or it is.
I try my best to give my best, and hold the
belief that >>> "We're All Bozos On This Bus."
Finally, to your point/question: "Who do you know as "fully liberated"? What's their address? (smile)."
There is such a one alive in our time. Her address is: Amma.org
Aymon: Are you so misinformed? What do you know of what I or Williamson or anyone else has done regarding Iraq? Call me/she facist?...suburban? what a good rant, eh?
If you would have read my last post...you would have noticed that I in fact have done something very tangible in helping two Iraqi's out of that catastrophy. In addition, I have marched, petitioned, lobbied and sent money. Would you have me storm the White House?
What have you done to alleviate the suffering of 25 million Iraqi people(including children)? I have sent money and been in touch with Iraqis. Self righteous?....you are looking in that mirror again aren't you?
Aymon do not consider yourself the only one who grieves and works for justice. We are all on that road. Some simply believe that the more effective means of accomplishing justice is through preparation of our consciousness...prior to our actions. You needn't agree...but consider the cessation of your condemnation of the "other" which merely mirrors the same facist behavior of which you speak. Your blame game will never bring the desired results..if in fact you are more interested in solving the problem than dwelling in it.
Love to you...right here and now. May you find the peace that leads to effective solution.
And for clarity's sake PowerofLove: I'm not sure you, I, or anyone walking amongst the living have that measure of enlightenment to determine Williamson's karmic predicament.
You identify issues that Williamson has herself very courageously identified to large groups of people by way of example and humility. My previous post did identify from my perspective that she, along with the rest of us, is human.
I do not know where you get "haughtiness"...I have had no problem holding different views with her in conversation. I am a fairly strong advocate of my own positions...and she has found me to be so. Never once have I received from her a reactionary scolding or "talking down". She certainly is entitled to the same measure of confidence in her thinking, as am I, or anyone else on this planet.
Perhaps the lesson is in making true the foundation by which we move through the world. Know thyself...as they say. I do not treat her as a "diva" and she does not expect that from me...nor have I sensed her disappointment in that circumstance.
You also refer to people picking up on her alleged "arrogance and superiority" instictively. I recognize this "instinct" as more a projection of one's own feeling of inadequacy. If one is comfortable with their own position...why the need to attack her for her position? Why label it with these adjectives? Could not the same be said of the tone and words you use in your most recent post? I do not believe you intend it that way...however it certainly could be taken as you projecting yourself as the great teacher...showing us all how to navigate the waters of our discontent.
She describes us all...through the words of "A Course in Miracles" as both teacher and student. To my knowledge, Williamson has never placed herself in any other category...and if I may..that would be a wise choice for you or I.
Who do you know as "fully liberated"? What's their address? (smile)
In gratitude for the conversation.
Let's be clear. The author of this column has her flaws as well as her gifts. She is a work in progress. While there are times when unexamined assumptions and prejudices throw a monkey-wrench into discussions like this one, at other times, these very prejudices have - to one degree or another - a basis in reality.
From my observations (and in more lucid moments by her own admission) Williamson has had issues around arrogance and superiority - forever and a day. Some folks pick this up instinctually.
It's OK, though. That is Williamson's karmic predicament. She must struggle with these vasanas (tendencies) just as we must work through our own --- if we want to be liberated and to serve and uplift others as purely as we can.
While traits like haughtiness in another human being can certainly be annoying and obnoxious, in themselves they do not necessarily invalidate the teachings coming through that being. It's up to us not to get too caught in our reactivity, and to take what is useful and leave the rest.
As Ram Dass used to say, it is possible to study with an "impure" ('uncooked') teacher, be empowered by what one learns, then let go and move on. In that case it's the teacher who is left with their own impurities, while you continue growing.
Williamson has many gifts to give. And, she does not in any way appear to be a fully enlightened soul. So what? Those who in truth can be described as "fully liberated" are very rare, very precious and very rare.
Hi Linder,
Cool.
Re- Amma. IMHO: Who this being actually is, is worthy of deep scrutiny and contemplation. "She's not your father's oldsmobile, er, I mean World Server."
For me it has been astonishing to be in touch with, and in the presence of a Fully Liberated One. By the way, Amma does not make this claim about herself. On fact she makes no claims other than her desire to love, and relieve suffering to the utmost of her ability. I believe we all are extraordinarily fortunate to be living at a time when such a being walks the Earth with us.
Re- Marianne, all one really can do is love and respect this person in her courage and clarity, as well as her flawed and tender humanness. And to set her straight, if we feel she needs a good talkin' to. We must learn do this with one another. Truth, sadly, is a scarce commodity in the Kali Yuga. Gandhi said it this way: "Truth is God."
...If we really care....
HI Faith: Marianne knows about the site. I don't think she would engage in editing here...to what purpose really? She would likely be labeled as acting all "superior"...given the previous posts.
Some of us are apparently so advanced that we need no correction. Content in our own little self righteous corners. As you can tell from my posts...I have put myself in the midst of that pothole. 'Pologize.
Aymon: Having re-read your last post...just for the record....among the efforts Williamson has led...Founder of Meals on Wheels LA...delivering needed services to victims of AIDS...long before it was fashionable to do so...Founder of The Peace Alliance (www.thepeacealliance.org), author of many articles and news alerts including imploring action in Darfur. Contributing great sums of money for many causes...and requesting of her "fans" financial support of the Tsunami disaster, New Orleans disaster, Darfur. Imploring people to contact their legislators...organizing lobbying in D.C. for several years running.
As for my own contributions....more than I can afford my friend. What's your contributions?..you suggest $10 for one effort in your post. Rest assured she has generated much more financial help in such areas than the lot of us could hope to accomplish.
Per Faith's comments....may we all transcend our language from "should" to "can"...to "allow possibility to rain through".
Still holding the mirror...can do without the weight...am willing to let it go...are we all willing to find another way to interact?
I Love it and I hope Mary Ann reads the comments. For all of us fall into the pitfalls of our conditioning sometimes. I hope she would be willing to go through and edit the shoulds to can or some other open ended word that will allow possibility to rain through.
PAB:
Whatever!
:-)
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May all beings be happy and well -
Aymon:
While I most certainly relate to your anguish...and have indeed been involved personally with people of Iraq...and even helped secure two individual's escape from the hell this nation has inflicted upon them...
Your characterization is more babble about Marianne Williamson...continuing false assumptions about her that you have no evidence of...other than that you haven't read something you approve of in the american media...which of course has become so reliable. Murdoch owning now most of same.
I am a supporter of the woman's work...not a "fan"...neither am I heartless...so get over your big self. You are not the only person with empathy skills, nor eyes to see what devastation our country wields...nor the only one who has "acted" in response to the devastation all around us.
Further if you knew anything about Marianne Wiliamson you would understand that you have just defined the antithesis of what she promotes and demonstrates in her life.
Cindy Sheehan has indeed done good work. This is not a contest. Both of these women have done more to bring people to readdress their consciousness on the issue of Iraq, Darfur, Palestinian/Israeli, refugee, environmental issues than you or I will likely ever hope to have the opportunity.
The post prior to yours...by Powertolove....is well written and well informed. It seems you are less pre-occuppied with Cindy Sheehan, or anything other than your own temptation to ridicule Marianne Williamson, et al...than you are with obtaining either reliable knowledge or the will to know what the truth is about them. The compassion and light you seek for children, animals and the earth can be found there...and the resulting action is happening all over this country...if not picked up by the wire services. (What a surprise)
May you truly find peace...as Ghandi himself urged:
"Be the peace you want to see in the world."
P.S. I hope folks are able to receive the same kind of criticisms they wield on this site. I continue to hold the mirror up...for myself as well as others. The need to so continue is evident.
This one's for folks who've expressed despair and their own assessment that, as Country Joe once sang,
"Ain't Got Time To Wonder Why,
Whoopie! We're All Gonna Die!"
Marianne is one of us who is able to synthesize a reality-based political awareness with the higher consciousnes revolution already underway...and often referred to as "spirituality."
IMHO it is long past the time when folks on the left side of the political spectrum,
have need to focus not merely on the external world, but on dimension after dimension existing within us - as interiority.
To fail to do so, leaves us with one hand tied behind our back. And, leaves us wedded to assumptions, paradigms, beliefs and worldviews that underlie the dysfunction we decry >>>>>>>>>
Further thoughts:
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We really need to move into Planetary view of our current predicaments, if we are to grasp the complexity of unfolding events. That is, a perspective which accounts for the radical interdependence of (especially, living) systems. It is no longer a luxury to peer through the lens of General Systems Theory - (such as the "Whole-Systems Theory" articulated by Ken Wilber, Jose Arguelles, Edgar Morin, Lynn Margulis, and Elisabet Sartouris.
Many domains within the scientific community are (in some cases slowly; in others, quickly) coming to the realization that the perspective offered by GST is a necessity if they are to answer today's pressing questions. And, they see that this new dimension involves changes that are paradigmatic in nature. And, so it must be in political science as well. It will be profoundly necessary to attempt to understand the roots, causes, and consequences of the apparent chaos unique to our time in world history.
If we truly wish to have an impact, progressives need to be Ahead of the (Learning) Curve. Much of the U.S. population is already yearning for "something new that will actually work." I believe that deep down, whether consciously or not, a great many of us sense the precarious nature of today's world……that uneasy, queasy feeling of looking over a precipice – and not being at all confident that the ground on which we are standing won't give way.
It certainly seems possible to successfully triangulate issues – to the chagrin of dyed-in-the-wool conservatives of the neo - "con" variety. But this would presuppose that progressives have a much deeper, more encompassing vision of current events than they now do.
From a General Systems perspective it is not so difficult to come to tentative conclusions re- what the near future will hold. But like the many scientists who are clinging to the security of their old assumptions and views, the question for progressives is whether they are ready and willing to endure the discomfort of expanding their (our) worldview.
Think of the issue of "spirituality." The whole subject begs for deeper inquiry and radical renovation! And is thesedays, at least in parts of the West, seen as a very different and distinctive path from those collectively known as "religion."
But if you leave "God" – (remember it's only the word "Dog" spelled backwards, so don't get hung up on it!) to our brethren who call themselves Revulsickens (you know what I mean), progressive progress will (probably sooner rather than later) go down the tubes.
I believe that we, each of us, really need to play catch up - and to start right now. Old perspectives do die hard when it comes to the day-to-day life we are actually living.
But looking historically, it's not THAT hard to do:….our ancestors have done lwarned, grown, and adapted countless times. Didn't they (most of them) eventually come to accept that the world is round, and come to relinguish older notions, no matter how sacred and comforting?
Can't we give a little? Maybe move beyond, and let go of, one "in the box," thought-habit each day. I'm guessing that there will be more than a few of "out-of-the-box" happenings heading our way. What we see today in the world is really only a beginning.
Politically speaking, it makes sense to be at least a little prepared for the unprecedented. And this is something we can definitely do...but we, too,must be willing to Let Go.
We Can teach old dogs new tricks.
And, anyways, we're not THAT old - (yet)!
Siouxrose:
What you say is truth...and yet interestingly enough, you still pigeon hole by inference the author....Williamson. The amusing thing is that I believe she would agree with you, and has in fact articulated much of what you indicate in your posts.
Not everyone that rights a book and goes on the lecture circuit is a "pseudo religious 'leader cum president'"...nor has anyone been accused of heresy, treason or blasphemy. To say that supporting her positions is doing so...is itself unfair...and, having read your earlier posts...I think you know that. I don't believe her to consider herself "new age"...and have heard her own criticisms of the "new age movement".
She has also recognized the need to address the mending of society...and does not just leave all responsibility to the individual. In fact, I remember a conversation with her where she took the position with me that people are not always in a position to feel they have power to change things...when I was arguing that in a democracy people must use the means available to them to change an oppressive and unjust environment.
I then would have to agree with both of you...that it will take both the individual's inner work and their actions to mend society.
Best, L
Armenia...no guns here.
Hi Max-
Hierarchy to me means elitism. Hero worship while ingrained in me a s achild begins to repulse me. All of the folks you mention if we are to believe the official story of them were certainly phenomenal if we are to judge by societal standards. Human civilizations standards. But ask a mountain gorilla how beethoven has made the world a better place. Now don't get me wrong, I love Beethoven, have performed Beethoven, blah blah blah. I find Black Metal much more beautiful. I doubt you'd agree. That's not the point. The point is that most of your advanced, more evolved, more useful (interesting choice of words...is the opposite of useful, useless?) humans only benefit human civilization in subjective ways. I like Angelcorpse more than Mozart. So what? What does the Amazon Rain Forest like? Then the monotheistic religions which basically all preach salvation of one kind or another.
you said: "They have all made enourmous contributions to the family of man." I say that is debateable. It's purely subjective. I cannot agree that Christ, if indeed he even existed, contrubuted anything good at all.
Lastly, I must protest at your tone: "You might want to consider ...."
This is the same false assuming that you have insinuated that others have used. It is an assumption to believe what I have or have not considered. And in this case the assumption is false because as I have stated I admire many of those who you listed. But I build guitars better than any of them. So what? I am simply a better guitar builder than them, not a better, more useful person. They are simply better politicians, speakers, composers, etc. Not better people than I. They are not more valuable than dolphins orangutans, or mountain lions. It's humanist elitism, anthropocentricm to believe that they are.
PUNKASSBEOTCH: There was an incredibly intense thread on commondreams maybe 2 months ago in response to a "New Age" phenomena known as "THE SECRET" that Oprah, icon of conspicuous consumption popularized. I, too, love rivers and get MY magic from nature. When I lived in Puerto Rico an elite dress designer took me to visit with a medicine man. My Spanish was rather poor so the insights he wished to deliver to me through the mathematical arrangements formed by several castings of shells (there known as caracoles) were done via my friend as translator. What a scene! In any case, the medicine man can tell a person if they are a daughter of the river, or the ocean, etc. In India, or rather via two disciples of a new and powerful guru, I studied complex mantras. These ancient sounds SPEAK to and indeed can call the various elements. Science has thrown a lot of mystical truth away along its righteous rigid path. Poets, mystics, lovers and shaman often know what science does not, particularly with respect to the weather. Take the action of animals that preceded the grave tsunami that hit Asia 3 years ago? Elephants ran uphill, dolphins swam out to see. What is this innate knowing? THE SECRET has come at a particularly UGLY time in that it pushes the agenda of getting stuff in a phase when Earth Mother is exhausted. Where once a particular ecosystem may have been at risk, now I see Earth Mother analogous to the Old Woman who lived in that (children's fable) shoe... mankind, like unruly children, is taking apart the sole, the laces, the heel... all of it AT ONCE. What is a Mother to do? A better teaching would be simplicity and sacred thanksgiving for all that we already have; but of course that would close our shopping meccas down, and capitalism is nothing without people feeling they are in need of more insubstantial objects outside themselves.
TRUTH does not ever go out of style, and the Ancients knew things that we are only coming to rediscover now. Note that all planets circle, as do electrons; that life comes full circle and we are born from one (womb). MUCH that is touted as New Age has been falsified to fit the mercantilist marketplace culture... I assure you, 30 years of research into esoteric fields has led me to realize things that exist beneath and/or above "the radar." IF persons understood these things, they could never fall to authoritarian systems again, or think that questioning some pseudo religious "leader cum president" constitutes heresy, treason, blasphemy, etc.
PAB:
"I have a real hard time with the concept that one person is more spiritual than another. This looks like hierarchy..."
What if there is some sort of evolutionary hierarchy that you don't know about yet? What if some people who have made a huge mark on our fledging civilization were more evolved/advanced/useful than others? Lots of people believe that.
At the extreme there was: Gautama Buddha, Krishna, Jesus, & Mohammed.
Then Bach, Beethoven, Rembrant, Renoir, Van Gogh, Shakespeare, MLK, Malcolm X, Jimmy Carter, Mikael Gorbochev, Fidel Castro, Hugo Chavez, Cesar Chavez, Simon Bolivar, Deepak Chopra, Marianne Williamson, Dennis Kucinic, are a few names of the top of my head - of people who in my view are far more advanced than the average person.
They have all made enourmous contributions to the family of man. None of them are any better than the average person, but older (in an evolutionary sense) and therefore more responsible, productive and useful. I doubt if any of them ever looked down their noses at others and knocked say, the average person who cares more about his favorite football baseball team than politics.
You might want to consider that some people are indeed gifted & talented geniuses, and that without their contributions of love & light, the world would be a far worse place than it is now.
All the best
Oh shoosh, did I just get offed again? Good thing none of Williamson's faithful followers have guns! ;) (Do they...?)
Love ya, I really do, for all your passion and mojo, no matter what you think!
-"Armenia, and the like"
Siouxrose-
Thank you for your post. Sometimes I have a hard time reading practicality in what looks like flowery language. The fault is all mine of course as I have a habit of chalking up any scent of new age mantra as just that - mantra only. Yours appears otherwise.
Thanks again
Punk: I am in total agreement with not looking for "other" than that which is already with us...inclusive of all the wonderful natural entities you list...and the infinite more that we have not even discovered...and may not because they may be extinct before we "turn this ship around".
Use of language is more interesting to me the longer I inhabit this planet. Like money and technology, it can be used or misused for good or bad. I don't fault people for having any of it...I do particulary object to it's misuse. The continued diseminations that Williamson misuses her status, money, etc for only her own benefit is very disturbing to me. She is a woman of extraordinary abilities who could have quite easily co-opted into the present world of "winner takes all celebrity"...and done much better on the money end of things...per the seeming present culture.
I understand your concern of folks who do not "act" to save this planet and everything on it. It is not Williamson's position as I see it...not to act...quite the contrary. I have only recognized her to say that before acting...one must prepare yourself to act rightly...so as to accomplish the task. I have seen so-called spiritual folks who 'follow' to be seen with the likes of Williamson...who never act. I have seen politico's who shout and scream to purge themselves of their outrage at the reality of outrageous things being done on this planet...but to no effect...because people are not attracted to that..thus the goal of waking people up to act is not met.
I do not believe Williamson to be a pacifist. Could be wrong...but I do know she is a proactivist for peace. Meaning...supporting a US Dept of Peace and Nonviolence (HR 808)to address our taxdollars to the underlying causes of violence to people, animals, the globe...rather than continuing to react in such a way that our mutual destruction is virtually assured.
My thought is that whatever "way" leads people to act in a way that brings us all closer to "turning the ship around" is okay by me.
Thank you Punk for the conversation...whatever your Source...may you be nourished by same. L
To Chris: I drove from Lansing to Warren to that same church every Sunday (having not attended church previously)...until I realized that it became the same kind of thing most organized religions have let themselves become. You and the church elders condemned Marianne...they used her for money making, but didn't like her messages that often as you will recall if honest...challenged the status quo.
When she preached against going to war in Iraq...a uniformed gentleman in the audience stood up and called her "traitor"...the church elders drove her out with lies about money...just as you do here on this site. If she can live in Grosse Pointe...what is your point?....that no one should live there? I will never own real property, don't have health insurance, nor a pension...and give quite a bit of my legal services away...that makes me no saint...anymore than Williamson's money makes her the devil. Like I said...if she has loads of money...good for her! Someone should be able to turn a profit working in the right direction.
I have put on programs where Williamson is speaker and she refused Limo service we attempted to provide. I have not always agreed with her, nor she with me. However, she has always stood up for her highest sense of right regardless of the forseeable consequences. And she continues to take hits from those of you who somehow believe that her success is an afront to anyone who does not have what she has. I don't know how you were hurt...or what you thought you might have been entitled to when attending that church, as a lot of people were put out by not able to get closer to what they believed was a "diva"....but that is not Williamson's perspective...nor should it be projected upon her in such a grossly unfair manner.
Do you have authority to decide who gets to voice their criticism on this site? Is your's somehow more valid than others'? Sounds like domination constuct to me. As for me...I will stay and hold the space for a higher discussion.
Be well.
I have a real hard time with the concept that one person is more spiritual than another.This looks like hierarchy. I have a real hard time with the idea that someone is an non spiritual person.In my view,these areimpossibilities.
The rock, the moon, the sun, a blade of grass, a child, an earthworm......which of these are not spiritual? All the same.
One day I realized that there was nobody on the planet who was more important than me. That same day, I realized that there was nobody on the planet who was less important than me. All the same.
Some are just more able to defend those who cannot defend themselves.
I have gone from being a devote Christian to being an agnostic to having acquired a few cautious spiritual beliefs. Although I don't always understand what people who are more spiritual than myself are saying, I realize that spirituality and beliefs are ongoing processes and that freedom of belief is a human right. Therefore, although I don't consider myself a spiritual person, it doesn't bother me that somebody else is. Aren't personal beliefs just that - personal? Unless it evolves into something fanatical that is forced upon others, and I don't consider merely expressing those beliefs "force" , I don't see any reason to get so bent out of shape about it.
Linder August, you are very thoughtful and articulate. I hope to see more of your comments on this list.
Linder August
Thank you. Yes. I agree about "super natural" being natural. But I don't really consider it super natural. Bear with me. But I often wonder why people seem to be looking for something other than what is already here. Like what is not "super" about a river, a forest, an ocean? How can these be fully understood? They are so much more immense than me. Yet they are me. Is this not magical? But it's nature. But so many seem to be looking for something else other than that. One of my teachers has been known to say, "You are that." Jeeze. What more is needed?
But it is not magic or miraculous in the commonly understood meanings behind those words. The law of nature is only miraculous in that we cannot comprehend it's depth and weight, it's meaning, or reason. You are that. What a message. What hope. And ultimately, for me, even tho' this philosophy does wonders for my individual peace of mind, my gut wrenches at the idea of people not going beyond that. True, there is only love. But this does not imply pacifism. I love the mountains so I will defend them. I love, the oceans, so I will defend them. I love life, and so I will defend it. By whatever means possible. In love.
Punk-
I must admit this story of beings of light and receiving messages really startled me. I'm like, "whoa. what is common dreams becoming now? Who are these people?" Perhaps that person was meant to be a shaman in indigenous cultures, or an institution in ours. Which way seems better?
My dear punkassbeeotch:
Agreed that we should not lump eveyone together...and so glad that you are making that point...as that is exactly how I felt when reading the earlier hateful messages on this site. The dehumanizing element of which you speak was a mirror of that already aired prior to my comments. I admitted therein that my "reactionary" response was meant to be a mirror. It does not make me proud that I could find no other means to share my message. It seems to those most vehement in their articulation would hear it no other way...but would dismiss any distinction from other's viewpoints as "talking down" to them...rather than simply having another viewpoint.
False assumptions are exactly what has driven this discussion. Happy to join you in discarding them.
I did not mention my history in progressive actions to put myself on a higher plane than others, but simply to identify that many who honor Williamson also "act" in the real world. All of it could have been done better throughout the years if in fact I would have alligned my consciousness past the reactionary methods I complain about. I recognize it in others because I have unfortuately had to recognize it in myself. That effort obviously continues.
Obtaining higher consciousness is not "super natural"...IT IS NATURE ITSELF. I am presuming that your inclination is to embrace human evolution? It is embracing the power that will help us "act" in such a way, (yes as Marianne puts it), will turn this ship around. I am hoping that is a direction with which we can all agree?
I don't attend "church". I run a law practice...very involved in politics...etc. This does not preclude me from looking beyond the limitations of the material world for metaphysical answers that generate needed responses in the natural world. I do not require that others agree with me...however I will speak up when attacked for same.
I wish EVERYONE on this discussion board good will and truly hope that future discussions can be mutually respectful.
Chris: You may be appalled if uninformed. Williamson does not drive an SUV. Speaking of carbon debt...you would do yourself well to cease the continuation of outright lies to the public via this website.
If you had an ounce of the integrity Williamson embodies in her works you might give yourself a chance to actually...as you say "give a shit"...about anything other than masterbating your own ego.
Nice chatting with you.
Dear Linder August-
Thank you for your comments.
I am in awe of your humanitarian work:
"South African Liberation Committee, Peace Education Center, Cambodian Boat Crisis, Co-Counsel for the Equal Rights Ordinance for Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual and Transgender communities, etc."
Really. That's quite alot more than I have done.
I care not one wit for Marriane Williamson. It's a bit preachy sounding to me that's all.It sounds like it's being shouted down to me from some spiritual hilltop and frankly, I've heard it before.
What does scare me is the vast array of comments here on Common Dreams lately that center on humans first ideology.Then there's this need for some super natural magical thinking that is pretty freaky as well.I'm just more concerned with the natural rather than the supernatural.
People matter above all else. This is a lie. I can see from your very dedicated work, that people are the center piece. That's awesom. Really. You're obviously very passionate. But please don't insinuate that what you have done is the moral high ground, and that those who would take another tack, are somehow wrong. I am not telling you your line of work is wrong.
Please do not lump all folks on this site who disagree with your appaent view into a single entity.They are all individuals. I am not in agreement with everyone who disagrees with you. Nor do I expect those people to all agree with me. I'm sure it can even be said that alot of folks who love the whole hope, love and miracle stuff, don't all agree with you either. This would be too simple. If we are to truly hear each other, then we might wanna try treating each voice as a seperate entity instead of creating an illusion of solidarity between two sides - good bad, black white, us them, stop go.....this is not helpful.
I am my own person. I see what I think needs to be done. I am not following the status quo in this. It is more reasonable to me to see where I have towed the line, and to view that as bieng literally misguided. I was taught to obey. I was taught what is taboo. And who does it benefit to tow the line? Who is misguided? The system is not guiding my thinking any longer.
You said:
"as those of "Armenia" and the like…"
yep. Just a hop skip and a jump from dehumanizing that. It's quite reminiscent of hate actually.
Max-
Nice. How is not comprehending and not understanding different?
Is all criticism to be written off as mere discomfort. So is criticism to be silenced in this way, written off as just uncomprehending folks who are merely uncomfortable?
You said:
"I keep forgetting how common it is for some people, especially those who are often critical of others, to make all kinds of ridiculous and false assumptions."
Whoa. Where are all these false assumptions? Could it also be a false assumption that critiques just lack understanding? Gee. I just must not understand correctly or else I'd just agree....
You said:
"those who are often critical of others...."
Is this a generalization or what? And what is your problem with criticism anyways? It seems a valid way to determine information.
you said:
"I'm very glad that many people realize....."
Again with the manipulation. Is this not straw man tactics?
Oh and the capper:
"Peace and love to everyone"
I don't know how you get to come off so nice at the end while being so shifty through the rest.
"Peace and love to everyone"
Even the critters? Or just the people?
When I wrote:
"It's interesting how quick some progressives are to criticize things that they don't understand."
I see now that it would have been more correct to say "... to criticize things they are: 1) not comfortable with, and/or 2) do not comprehend."
I keep forgetting how common it is for some people, especially those who are often critical of others, to make all kinds of ridiculous and false assumptions.
I'm very glad that many people realize that there is no time for petty fussing and fighting - amongst the ranks.
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Peace and love to everyone
I am a 53 year old woman who has worked on progressive causes all my life, including but not limited to the South African Liberation Committee, Peace Education Center, Cambodian Boat Crisis, Co-Counsel for the Equal Rights Ordinance for Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual and Transgender communities, etc.
I am simply stunned that folks who read this publication...billed as "advancing understanding of environmental, political, human rights, economic, democracy, scientific, and social justice issues", use this comment opportunity to lambast the present author (Marianne Williamson).
By doing so, you merely project the same methods and consciousness of the very right wing declared so dangerous to the rest of the world.
That is my opinion... which yes I am entitled to...and not as a result of your projection that I must be an unwitting follower of the author.
These reactionary comments are no less a causal agent for war, poverty and all other ills in the world...than is found on the right. Just as the anti-war movement does not gain any ground as a result of this "method"...and reveals the same "talking down" to the population of which you complain. Projection of this onto Marianne Williamson brings us no closer to the evolutionary answers needed to survive.
If you want revolution...you can do it without me. I know truth when I hear it, and am damn glad there is someone out there willing to say it outloud, regardless of the childish temper tantrums coming from both the left and the right. And if Marianne Williamson makes a load of money telling the truth...good for her!
WORD...spirituality (not organized religion) and politics are not mutually exclusive concepts, and in fact...are what I believe to be the necesary alchemy to treat the present state of dis-ease on this planet...including the corporate whoredom, environmental degradation, and human rights violations (murders) continuing to manifest on this planet everyday.
It does not necessarily follow that anyone embracing spirituality is in denial...nor that anyone embracing politics is out of touch with their higher self. Embracing both simultaneously can be the cure sought. It seemed to work well for Martin Luther King, Jr. and Ghandi and many who "followed" their lead..of course, not without sacrafice.
When accusing others of "talking down"...look in the mirror my friend. I will not continue to be insulted by your characterizations that because I find Marianne Williamson's words authentic, that I must be a blind follower. I maintain my very stong independence, know her to be human...oh yeah like you and me...and will continue to support her work as long as she continues to support the truth in her works, notwithstanding the tirades of uninformed opinion that would label her something other than a woman attempting to bring some light to a very dark era.
For those of you who have kept your comments to a higher plane...I understand that my present response does not meet your standards...which by the way I honor. However, it occurs to me that sometimes you have to look at the "crucifixion"...as Marianne so oftens identifies...without pouring "pink paint" on it. If my words are as reactionary as those of "Armenia" and the like...perhaps then I can be credited with holding up a mirror...if not keeping to the higher plane.
It is a shame that the malicious comments on this site did not recognize the above principle in the article, which Williamson has advocated so often and taken many professional hits as a result. Every iota of "action" on this planet...good or bad...stems from consciousness. This is a scientific fact. Still sitting in a cesspool of pathetic reactionary thought? Tip: Change your seat.
That is why I am still commenting on this - it's like most of these people probably have had a magic moment or two, but instead of protecting it or cherishing it or growing it they look for ways, if they are capitalist-minded: to exploit it, $$$, or if they are not: to shove it down someone else's throat. If you don't pay respect to these tactics, literally or figuratively, they they will find some seemingly "loving" method or other to "off" you.
If they actually did believe in what they may have experienced they would have no need to do either.
IMHO, picking and choosing juciy parts of various religious texts and teachings and mixing them up into a tome that is just palatable enough for new agers and other hopeful souls to endlessly decipher, is an exquisite form of spiritual violence. Talk about mercenary.
But then, I am sooo misguided!
Davoid
Who is a criminal? A Ceo who orders the destruction of rainforests or someone who fights back by whatever means neccessary? Oh in the land of the free it is written that this type of action ( vandalizing bulldozers maybe?) is a crime. Written. But is it truly a crime? To defend that which you love with lethal force if neccessary? Really?
My fear is of people (the masses) who bow to the written laws that benefit the few, without considering why they bow.Just because it is written doesn't make it righteous. Those who blindly obey destructive laws in the name of non violence - as dogma no less - and then claim moral and spiritual superiority while they do nothing to stop the damage is my fear with a name. Is it gonna disappear now? Poof.
You say:
"We deny the expensive and wasteful consequences of violence through false pride and bravado. This allows the cycle of violence to continue. We create, enable and sanction violent criminals, or we ourselves become criminal."
By not resisting in any effective way, the violence continues. Sitting on yer arse and saying "be like me and it will all work out." is bollocks and you know it.
By saying all violence is bad, you oversimplify. There is not only one form of violence. Animal testing. Slave labour. Destruction of habitat. You dishonor those who are being violently and systematically destroyed for your "benefit" while you blithely pine away about love and fear. It demeans those who have made the ultimate sacrifice so that you may live the way you do. Do you love them for it? Do you acknowledge you complicity in such violence?
Bravado and self righteousnes have nothing to do with it. We are literally talking about the destuction of the planet. I would rather be dead wrong. I would rather join the stream of life not only the anthropocentric human race, apparently the most important of all from your statement:
" Do we want to be right, or do we want to belong to the human race?"
The constitution? You're kidding right? This myth of the founding fathers again....you're holding on to schoolroom fairytales that were inserted into your head as a child. The founding fathers were not gods. The constitution is not an holy relic. This need for heroes and dieties, mythological characters, and gurus, almost sounds like a lack of faith in ones true self.
Max-
"It's interesting how quick some progressives are to criticize things that they don't understand."
What a manipulative little sentence. The implications are many. First it implies that you fully understand what is being said here. 2nd it implies that those who don't agree, do not understand. So a criticism from "lack of understanding", is nonsense from your perspective and should not be given any more respect than say, that which you would give an idiot. As I've been saying: condescending, smug, self righteous, intellectually lazy.
Marikken:
"What is important is that we all pitch in and do what we can to make a better world."
Perhaps. But each persons view of a better world is vastly different as we can see just by this "discussion". To think that ones view of a better world is universal, or the "same conclusions", is similar in my mind to "the one right way" for existence. While you may think that when all humans just get along and love each other, then our problems will be over, I tend to think that a world without ocean life, or frogs, or honeybees is more pressing. But I do absolutely agree that all paths are needed to pitch in. Some people write letters, some people throw rocks. It's not an either ot situation.
I bet the pacifists here think they're open minded.....yet different ideas spring the steel trap shut. Can you see the bars of your cage? Or do you now call it "home"?
I agree with Marianne W that ours is a didactic universe, and that SOME of what happens to us in life reflects our belief system. However, this also simplifies those laws we do not understand that are also at work. One problem with the Course in Miracles crowd is that learning its approach CAN for some disable ACTION. When people are thoroughly convinced they are DOING it by changing their mindset, they often feel no onus to do anything beyond this. As a writer who focuses on esoteric subject matter, I have watched as those who espouse what I term a "Republican Spirituality" model get published. What I mean is they pretty much teach the idea that the quality of life you lead is up to you. This ethos has led a great many GOOD people into 'self' work; but meanwhile, the vicious & insidious rightwing planners took over media, government, education, elections, our treasury, etc. The answer is not either-or. Anyone sentient enough to be breathing has "enrolled" in earth school 101, and yes, there are lessons to be had. Someone earlier up the thread mentioned that by NOT teaching karma and the evolution of the soul, people are left paralyzed wondering WHY heavy s--t happens to them. The more all encompassing (life to life) lesson plan reveals the data necessary for bringing logic to the task of explaining the human condition, at least so far as each of us is destined to live it. I take issue with some of the points Marianne makes, and these are the ones that we see published under New Age most, that it's ALL up to the individual. I say it's both. Life is like a cosmic cha cha cha. The individual is here to learn self-mastery and part involves acting from compassion, being conscious of why one acts and thinks the way they do. It's the process of being educated. Fine. But the individual also exists within a larger social network, and if that network is breaking down, reciting mantras and focusing only on how great life is (in the face of evidence quite to the contrary) constitutes a form of spiritual schizophrenia. I am enough of a realist, (although I believe in the heavenly plan, the logos that ties human life cycles to the larger clockworks of the planetary orbits) to recognize that we also must WORK via action to CHANGE society to accord with the BEST in individuals, rather than the worst. As it is, we are angry atoms fighting for our FREEDOM because so much has turned against goodness, sanity, and health on all levels. Therefore one cannot apply medicine to the individual without also working to mend society (Tikkun Olam). On the other hand (and thus the concepts are not mutually exclusive) we cannot have a healthy society IF individuals relinquish their responsibility to their higher selves. The higher self would probably NOT advocate for eating gross fried fatty foods, or smoking cigarettes or aiming a gun at another person, etc. This is where Marianne's explanation of the ego and its rationales is useful. As with any intellectual discourse, answers often come in shades of gray. Any ideology that focuses primarily on dualism, good or bad, fear or love, I feel misses the power and beauty of nuance. However, again, coming from my background in publishing, I know that agents push writers to write RECIPE books. People are hungry for the ways and means to improve their lives, but if they only focus on self, again the fabric of the greater society (as we see now) breaks down. The recipes favor the authoritarian mindset, "If you follow these 7 simple rules, you will have success," etc. I believe these are mostly false, and yet they operate with some tantalizing GRAINS of truth, in that deep and profound metaphysical principles are being coopted in this age of materialism, a surfeit of the senses, to further the idea of GETTING or HAVING, rather than BEING.
I hope I offered some insight to this discussion. By the way if all the answers were known we would not be experiencing bodies, nor would all the theological & philosphical experts be in disagreement over so much. Ironically, the MASTERS all tend to agree... study their teachings and look for where these overlap, and then you come closer to universal truth(s).
"It's interesting how quick some progressives are to criticize things that they don't understand."
Max, I agree with you. What does it matter what path we chose to reach the same conclusions? What is important is that we all pitch in and do what we can to make a better world.
punkassbeotch I share your criticism of the article since Williamson inserted some remarkable quotes by Presidents Lincoln and Hayes that clearly point to the real down-to-earth problem of corporate control of the national wealth and power.
Williamson states the spiritual problem but it is not enough to do so. The Founders realized that words were not enough but that sometimes blood (or sweat) is required to defend the concept of liberty.
The frustrating thing about all this is how to live in a thoroughly brainwashed world? The brainwashed zombies vote against themselves time and time again, and not just at the voting booth. Fear and laziness keep them in line. All we can do is practice our own fearlessness and support each other.
Yeah! What happened to some of the comments! I thought the cannibalism one was good too. Maybe a bit over the top. Maybe. But where is it?
The thing that really bothers me about the tone of the article and of the apparent supporters of said ideology based on their commenting is it's false superiority. Smugness. Condescention. It's like they're patting those of us who don't buy it, on the heads saying "there there.You're just afraid.You're just cynical.You're just..." fill in the blank. As long as I am view as - not as spiritual (which is impossible), not as evolved, not as mature, not as WTF-ever - then I don't have to be taken seriously. It's demeaning. It's a hop skip and a jump away from dehumanizing. It objectifies me. And...it's lazy. Why spend time and energy listening to someone who you view as just a frightened little child who needs to guidance (from you no doubt) as to how to get along in the world. And because this ideaology is doing nothing save making people feel better about themselves (while doing nothing for say....polar bears or whatever else you might love besides humans)....the world still burns.
Anyone remember that old school episode of Star Trek? Where the villagers and farmers of said "lesser developed" culture were being killed by the Klingons? They were pacifists. So Kirk and company deside to intervene and start a war - Klingons vs Federation. Anybody remember this one? Well in the end, it turned out that the villagers/farmers were spiritually evolved. One of my faves. It was totally a "love is all you need" answer to life. The farmers/villagers were actually beings of light. They were highly evolved. Yeah, that was an awesome episode.
Except for one thing.......it's science fiction.
Meanwhile....back down here on planet earth.....where we have to live....the real world....hellooooooooooo?
For me this article is a stunning synchronicity of the last few days - immensely encourageing for the future and thrilling in the moment - this type of conversation witnessed in the streets of Detroit, within impeachment chat sites, and now here! Let's keep nurturing it!
I will take some time later to parse some of Marianne's words, but for now I'll give a shout out of honor for having the courage to step forward and extoll the concept of Love in the face of the epidemic of fear, anger and hatred (of course stated like that what else is one who is tapped into universal currents to do?).
And for those who Love is just a concept, for those who have expressed such deep experiences of hurt and who are hurting...in the momentment all I can do is offer you the concept of Faith. But have Faith! From my professional experiences in the field of human developement and experiences within my personal world, I can state that Love is much more than merely pacifistic good boy good girl conceptualizing - it is an energy field capable of bonding and expressing organically, with the carbon molecule.
This reality beyond conceptualizing has allowed me to witness the trancedence of pain and agony with one in the excruciating situation of dealing with a cancer tumor on the lower spine while dealing with fractured and antagonistic support circle and family. What was witnessed as a trancendence to what she call "her special place"(in other words Love) on the individual level CAN be witnessed on the group level in this time of our fractured and excruciating situation as a Nation.
Have good cheer. Thank you for engaging in the conversation. This is truly a day of glad tidings!
We Americans are plagued with fears about not being good enough, not doing it right, not having the right answers. When we make mistakes, we blame and attack others instead of seeing the opportunity to learn. In attempting to divert attention from our low self-esteem we only make it worse. We become helpless, angry victims. This leads to violence that is both interpersonal and systemic, and our reputation around the globe is one of the most violent of nations. We have a cultural disease, an epidemic of violence carried by the virus of disrespect.
We who are very ill with our victim stance are unable to consider other possibilities for solving problems. We have a deep, paranoid cynicism about alternative conflict resolution methods. We deny the expensive and wasteful consequences of violence through false pride and bravado. This allows the cycle of violence to continue. We create, enable and sanction violent criminals, or we ourselves become criminal. We are not a free country. We have the largest percentage of our population in prison of any nation.
We are all in a prison of our own making. Violent thoughts, words and deeds, coming from the desire to be right, build the walls of solitary confinement. Do we want to be right, or do we want to belong to the human race? It's time to admit our violence is out of control, heal our broken hearts, and seek reconciliation. Do we respect ourselves enough to do this? Do we feel capable and worthy, as our Constitution says, of a "more perfect Union, [to] establish Justice, [and] insure domestic Tranquility?"
If we examine our fears closely -- very, very closely -- they will disappear. Then something else will emerge from behind the veil of fear. Do not name it now, later will be soon enough. The real Work we have to do now is to name the Fear. I can imagine a world without fear as much as I want, I can point the finger at those who fear more than I do, but until I personally take responsibility for my own fear, I do not have the experience, the idea, the words to speak about, true fearlessness.
It's interesting how quick some progressives are to criticize things that they don't understand.
Interesting and unfortunate, because we're all on the same side.
We should forget our differences and focus on what we have in common - like our mutual desires for a better world, for unity in diversity and democracy.
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"Tomorrow we will be back on the vast ocean."
Horace
it is not possible for those who claim love, hope, expanded consciousness, etc. are ineffective or useless in creating social change to know for certain that these qualities (inherent in each of us but undeveloped for the most part) are not those primarily responsible for having prevented collossal annihilation of this planet by now.
there certainly has been (and continues to be for sure) ample opportunity. a lot of us progressives seem to be turning into weekend, if not 24/7 survivalists, exhorting the masses to rise up even as they stock their shelters. no, not much hope there. but the deeper reality that strong manifestations of peace consciousness (gandhi, king) and of spirit consciousness (christ, buddha, mohammed) have had the impact they have provide virtual proof that this very potential (if not actually developed) realization awaits us all. and to the degree that it is awakened, our actions will be more potent.
I can't believe that we're that far gone as to hope for some miracle of love that will save us. Existential philosophy masquerading as spirituality is not a practical solution. How does meditation save the rivers? How does hope save the forests? How does forgivness stop corporations? Cynical? You betcha.
Love does not imply pacifism.
Pacifism is not the moral high ground.
It is morally reprehesible in light of our current situation. It is completely irresponsible to stand by and let the death march continue. Do not pretend that elevated consciousness in the well to do, is any type of help whatever.
But it does enable people to hope. Meditate. Elevate. Perhaps you will levitate away from this bad karmic situation. Or are we hoping that the destroyers will see the error of their ways and turn over a new leaf. Skeptical? You bet.
Hope is not action. You sit and hope while little brown children die. You sit and hope and then order a book from amazon.com . You sit and hope and throw a buck in the basket. And someone tells you it's all good. Is it?
Intellectualizing is not action. Reading feel good books or listening to sermons that co sign the bullshit mentality of doing nothing and pretending that it is actually the moral high ground, is really actually..... doing nothing. Paying someone to tell you that you are righteous and well on the way to enlightenment is doing nothing more than trying to make you feel good. And the planet is dying.
All this focus on how humans should be inorder to help humans. Be kind. Love each other. Love is all you need. Doubtful? You betcha.
How is love all I need when wolves are being slaughtered? How is love all i need when there is virtually no clean body of water in north america? How is love all I need when the forest service is nothing more than sales management? Unless of course to love......to really care for something means to defend it with ones very life. Isn't it a display of love when we don't allow destroyers to destroy what we love?
We don't need a miracle. We need praxis. Not metaphysics. Not dreamy feel good self righteous inaction. When pacifism becomes dogma we are paralized.
Please climb down off of that spiritual hilltop and join the rest of us as we walk...... no march, with our feet firmly planted on the earth. Get your head out of the clouds. Please!
Hope is the last breath of desperation.
Until the US populace gets the courage to take to the streets and follow the example of Gandhi's non-violent marches and demonstrations nothing will change. The people have got to WANT the Constitution restored enough to ACT accordingly. If there is no such desire, there will will be no more US Constitution (except in name only).
What a shame to let cowardice bring down such a noble experiment of human governance!!
For the most part, I agree with Marianne. I don't agree that "This country should apologize: to our ancestors, ..." It's easy to get into the blame game but the "Course in Miracles" challenges us to look past the mistakes we make in this apparent reality we share and make things right through love. It stresses the need for forgiveness, not as we define it, but on a level beyond this reality to the ultimate reality of what we are, which is sinless. We can say "no" to wrongdoing and then make things right, without guilt. I'm not saying I'm totally there yet. I still believe that people should be held accountable for their actions, but I appreciate the value of getting to that place in my mind, where even as I'm righting the wrongs of society, there's a place for seeing the light in each person.
Marianne said, "Today, no less than in Lincoln's time, our country can have a "new birth of freedom," deciding anew that "government of the people, by the people and for the people shall not perish from the earth." I believe we need to have a national conversation about what "freedom" means, and what happens when one person's (or country's) freedom denies another person or country its freedom.
I would like to focus on a definition of love that empowers everyone and a definition of freedom that allows everyone to be free.
I read the comments to Marianne's essay, and I recognize the cynicism, doubt and fear (all the same, really) that have been common in my reactions over the last several years.
Still, I believe that fear and cynicism, and seeing 'the enemy' outside of ourselves, projected from within, is our greatest obstacle to peace. Peace needs to start within in order to be projected outward into the world we see. This is what "A Course in Miracles" teaches - in reality, we are all one. So when we see a brother as sinful, we are actually seeing ourselves that way and projecting that from within. Yeah, I know, psychological mumbo jumbo, but our subconscious mind does kick us in the rear and I believe it's better to recognize when that's happening so we can prevent our own problems and suffering.
I've been studying "A Course in Miracles" since 2000 and I encourage everyone to check it out and form a study group if you can. It is not Christian; it is not a religion or a cult. It's an effort to correct the mistakes our minds have made about what we are and the world we've created. It's a challenging Course but makes so much sense to me, even though I don't particularly resonate with its 'Christian' terminology. The Course begins by stating that the particular terminology used here doesn't matter - it is the message that leads to peace within, to love for Self and "the Christ" which means all of us united as one.
I believe John Lennon had it right when he said "All you need is love" and that love truly is the most powerful thing we have. The Course says there are only two emotions, love and fear, and fear does not exist. It only exists if we make it real within ourselves and project it out on the world, whether our projection screen is George W. Bush or Osama bin Laden. There is power in love, and I encourage us all to practice using it. In the way we would tell our child not to do something wrong or dangerous, out of love, it is time to tell the leadership of our country to stop doing what is wrong and to do what is right for us and for all humanity instead.
Einstein said that Gandhi's work for the liberation of India is a living example that man's will, sustained by an indomitable conviction, is stronger than apparently invincible material power. This has happened at various times throughout history.
The Course stresses that we are all important in each others' "salvation" – meaning that we all have the power to heal ourselves and our world. As a secular Jew, I believe that's what Jesus tried to communicate. It's not about Marianne Williamson or George W. Bush or me. It's about you and me and all of us. That's how we'll heal the world we see. Maybe now we can get it right and help our world to heal, by drawing on our own individual power and joining our energies together. I'm up for it!
We have come to see love and peace as weak and pie-in-the-sky, as 'Kumbaya'. But looking beyond our fear and the cynicism that arises from it, love really is the most powerful tool that we have. It is all we need, if we put it to work in our minds and in our actions.
One person commented the "hope that we will embrace wisdom is irresponsible fantasy." Another said, "But history proves that we humans shall always learn the hard way. Pain it is!"
We try to protect ourselves through cynicism, but it backfires on us and gets us what we don't want. I believe the only way we can create a future not bound by the past is to envision it and believe we can make it happen. That HAS happened. That is why 'idealism' is so important. Being 'realistic' only gets us more of what we've had, and history does not dictate the future - only if we make it so. Actually, history has indicated that we have changed the world through our vision, passion and commitment to what's right in the name of love and compassion.
I stress Marianne's comment: "the fact that the mind that manufactured the world we live in now cannot imagine what that would be, is certainly no sign that another way does not exist. The change from who we are right now to who we can and shall be once we have embraced this opportunity for change, represents a quantum leap forward in our spiritual as well as our political, economic, and social development."
We need to develop spiritually as well as in all these 'earth-bound' ways. I joined the Network of Spiritual Progressives because this group understands that, and you don't have to be 'religious' to tap into a universal energy of love. Many people are doing inner work to evolve spiritually. And it's encouraging to see that "A Course in Miracles" has been translated into more than 15 languages now.
In Peace,
Sharon Abreu
Perhaps we might rename this A COURSE IN TREACLE. I do agree that women, however, have been out there carrying the penants. Mother Jones, Lucy Parsons, Elizabeth Gurley Flynn, Rosa Parks, and lately Cindy Sheehan, are examples of women who risked their lives for social change. There is no social change, sorry, without political effort for the overall collective. Apparently New Age Ooga Booga did not die out with the Hippies.
The Voice of Liberty
Now that we have your tired, your poor, your huddled masses
yearning for world peace and universal love
who aspire to breathe fresh air and drink clean water
and live in ecological cities of equal opportunities for all.
Give us your virtuous and inspired thinkers and doers,
artists and scientists, architects and engineers
those who harbor the soul's desire to build a new model
of democracy that delivers global justice to Planet Earth.
Give us your best minds and purest hearts
who have the divine spark needed to invent
a genius culture without war, poverty, tired, and hungry,
a world where the miracles of high technology are
rooted within a global network of solar-powered
arcologies positioned to align with the heavenly stars.
The torch of Liberty guides the labor force to build
sustainable sacred shelter for the once homeless, starving,
and alienated masses who are now exhilarated to live together
working out a whole-systems design for the creation of a lovable planet.
Doctress Neutopia
www.lovolution.net
See/listen to MW here:
http://youtube.com/results?search_query=Marianne+Williamson&search=Search
It's just physics, Luckylefty.
It's all vibratory.
In the beginning was the word-- thought:
what we focus on increases (especially when accompanied by emotion).
Are you one of those people who would rather die than change your mind?
attack-defend-attack; judgement; punishment; guilt; blame; all part of the same loop.
Is this the nightmare you put your faith in?
It is great to see a spiritual and hopeful message on Common Dreams.
Ms. Williamson likes to quote the Course in Miracles, however, she tends to leave out some its most important teachings. First that we humans are for the most part controlled by what it calls Ego. This is the belief that we are in some way a victem and therefore have the right to victemize others. We believe we are all separate from each other and from God (love universal conciousness) and therefore must fight others for what we have. The basic emotion of the ego is fear.
There are other important ideas which I won't go into, but anyone who wants more information go to www.facim.org.
The important thing is that our task is not to look for love, but to overcome the obstacles to it in our minds, the chief one being our Ego which is controlled by our thoughts. We need to constantly monitor our own thoughts, words and actions. This in itself is a painful but a very necessary process. We need to be truthful and trustworthy and hold our leaders to the same standards.
Yes, our county was founded on certain ideals, but it was also founded on slavery, robbery and betrayal, (our treatment of Native Americans) It has continued with the oppression of immigrants and working people here and constant negetive interference in the affairs of other countries. The invasion of Iraq, as I am sure most of you Know, is just the latest in a serious of clandestine or overt acts resulting in a huge amount of suffering for the peoples of other countries.
I do have hope that there will eventually be golden age for mankind on this planet, but any belief that it will come without a great deal of dedication, hardwork, suffering and "sacrifice" of our ego attachments is simply a fantasy.
This also means that as Progressives we need to get together, set priorities and then work together to bring them about. If we do not find ways to cut back the power of the Corpratocracy and begin to create a world which is controlled from the grassroots level as well as the top we will not make any progress on the material plain. Although, fortunely we always have the opportunity to work with our thoughts and to be helpful.
I received a prophcy a few years back which I have not shared with anyone. Now I would like to share it with everyone.
"The rich shall be brought low and the poor lifted up and they will look into each others eyes (now that they are the same height) and see a brother."
Hopefully, this is for the near future.
Finally, this discussions feels like a common dream. (And, finally, a few others are talking here about Fire the Grid (firethegrid.com).
I too have been craving Marianne's input here. I attended the first Renaissance Alliance Peace Conference in Detroit in '02 (drove in from Nova Scotia) (Dennis Kucinich was there too.) We talked then about the power of co-creation, and visioning and being the change; where the plan/idea for the cabinet level Dept. of Peace was launched; where many seeds were planted.
May we remember and realize that the solutions to our problems will not be found at the level they were created. My soul hungers for this kind of talk, inspiration and affirmation that there is a global transformation of consciousness occurring.
Participation in a sustained general strike would help to non-violently, non-cooperatively convey a message to the earthly powers that their ways of domination and greed are no match for collective connected hearts and minds (not to mention so primitive/old-fashioned-- and just SO not the way our evolution is taking us).
Anyway, thanks, Marianne. Keep writing here at Common Dreams. The nightmares here sometimes try my soul.
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It's coming through a hole in the air,
From those nights in Tiananmen Square.
It's coming from the feel
That this ain't exactly real,
Or it's real, but it ain't exactly there.
From the wars against disorder,
From the sirens night and day,
From the fires of the homeless,
From the ashes of the gay:
Democracy is coming to the U.S.A.
It's coming through a crack in the wall;
On a visionary flood of alcohol;
From the staggering account
Of the Sermon on the Mount
Which I don't pretend to understand at all.
It's coming from the silence
On the dock of the bay,
From the brave, the bold, the battered
Heart of Chevrolet:
Democracy is coming to the U.S.A.
It's coming from the sorrow in the street,
The holy places where the races meet;
From the homicidal bitchin'
That goes down in every kitchen
To determine who will serve and who will eat.
From the wells of disappointment
Where the women kneel to pray
For the grace of God in the desert here
And the desert far away:
Democracy is coming to the U.S.A.
Sail on, sail on
O mighty Ship of State!
To the Shores of Need
Past the Reefs of Greed
Through the Squalls of Hate
Sail on, sail on, sail on, sail on.
It's coming to America first,
the cradle of the best and of the worst.
It's here they got the range
and the machinery for change
and it's here they got the spiritual thirst.
It's here the family's broken
and it's here the lonely say
that the heart has got to open
in a fundamental way:
Democracy is coming to the U.S.A.
It's coming from the women and the men.
O baby, we'll be making love again.
We'll be going down so deep
The river's going to weep,
And the mountain's going to shout Amen!
It's coming like the tidal flood
Beneath the lunar sway,
Imperial, mysterious,
In amorous array:
Democracy is coming to the U.S.A.
Sail on, sail on! O mighty Ship of State!
To the Shores of Need
Past the Reefs of Greed
Through the Squalls of Hate
Sail on, sail on, sail on,
sail on.
I'm sentimental, if you know what I mean
I love the country but I can't stand the scene.
And I'm neither left or right
I'm just staying home tonight,
getting lost in that hopeless little screen.
But I'm stubborn as those garbage bags
that Time cannot decay,
I'm junk but I'm still holding up
this little wild bouquet:
Democracy is coming to the U.S.A.
"Democracy"-- by Leonard Cohen
(from "The Future"; 1988.)
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for more hope and evidence of global shifts in consciousness, check out this clip from Paul Hawkin's speech at a Bioneers conference last year: http://blessedunrest.com/video.html
I agree that learning is not elective. But history proves that we humans shall always learn the hard way. Pain it is!
The crime of this century, and every other since the arrival of Jesus on this planet, was the elimination from Western religions and philosophy of the understanding of the universal laws of Karma and reincarnation.
Systematically, in order to control the masses, "Christianity" has removed from its official doctrines these twin laws in which we must understand.
If one is open to the fact that we have lived here, thousands of times before, and that we have wronged others, "sinned" against the law of love, and refused to have learned the lesson, we get to learn through pain, and are left to wonder, in ignorance, WHY ME?
Indeed, like she says above: "Yet whatever lesson we refuse to learn, comes round again until we do — each time appearing in a more sobering form, with more serious implications should we refuse to learn it. We do have free will, but we do not have the freedom to slow down the universe. Our learning fuels the momentum of the universe, which will not be allowed to stop. One way or the other, we will learn what we need to learn … even if we have to learn it through suffering."
Great work Marianne!
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"There is nothing in your world, either alive or dead, that is worth being agitated about, except the alleviation of suffering." From: "The Boy & the Brothers"; download this book 4free here:
http://emergencenetwork.info/omananda/
"Love all with the love you give to your parents, children, and other dear ones. That all-inclusive love is the most wonderful consciousness." Paramahansa Yogananda
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"...mankind [will advance] into a civilization and a state of consciousness in which right human relations and worldwide cooperation for the good of all will be the universal keynote." The Tibetan.
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"Many await My Coming with trepidation, fearing the loss of all that they have amassed & gained. Fear not, My friends, for the loss will be the loss of separation only, of division & fear, of envy & hate. To
clear these from the world, all must be remade. Know this, My friends, & be ready to share, to see your brother as yourself, to clasp him in your arms & call him friend. In this way, My brothers, you manifest God's
Plan."
Maitreya, the World Teacher
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Prepare your mind for the future:
http://www.Share-International.org
What a crock!
Thanks, Marianne, for speaking out on Common Dreams. It is so wonderful to hear your voice here, a voice so powerful that even cynicism is silenced for once. We have been and can still be a nation that leads in a new way, toward a new goal. We need to do our work to make that happen, re-inventing institutions that are holding us back in the moribund traditions of the past: the oligarchy that our government has become, the "factories" that our schools have become, the mindlessness that our mass entertainment has become. More and more people every day seem to be finding out that the time for sweeping change is now, right down to Michael Moore and the new trend of "message" movies.
(And, as an aside, if Moore, and Williamson, and Chopra and others who expose the rot or talk about hope and miracles are getting rich, then, gee, more power to them. They must be saying something that people really want to hear!)
We probably owe Bush and his cronies a vote of thanks for forcing us all to wake up and scream, "Wait a minute!" as they "lead" us directly down a swirling drain that has "sewer" written all over it. Things ARE changing, thanks to places like THIS, the ONE campaign, and a million other grassroots efforts that the web has made possible. This alone is cause for hope.
Marianne's long view gives us a new perspective on the need to wake up and JOIN TOGETHER to shift the inertia of our current course. And the only force strong enough to do that is synergy. Firethegrid.org is a great experiment in willpower, mindpower and hope. And, most importantly, for all the Boomers out there like me, now IS our time, that one we failed to follow-up on in the sixties because we thought "they" were stronger that we were. Now, we know better, so stand up Boomers, and do all those things we thought we were going to do at a much younger age.
Here's my two cents: www.changetheschools.com
I hear you Frank, some of us must have messed up big time- even before birth- so no partytime for us. Why, had someone just sat me down whe I was a helpless vulnerable child and told me that all the sadistic abuse, neglect and abandoment I was blessed with encountering were just the very most delightful, easy lessons in love and life and that the Universe had decided that I actually deserved these experiences, it no doubt may have saved me, and anyone unfortunate enough to encounter me, years and years of anguish and regret!
Lovely, inspiring... but, seriously. The universe was created by a BIG BANG, not a big bang of "love." Most of the plant and animal kingdom has been doing quite well without love for a few billion years, and the fantasy that "love conquers all" doesn't actually jive with the facts on the ground.
As another sage has said, "nothing lasts forever," and there is no reason to believe love is any different just because we want it to be. Love is just another emotion, but it feels so good that we wish it would last forever, wish it would cure the pain, wish it would stop catastrophic climate change. It doesn't, it won't, and it can't.
And what about those who've been so heartbroken, they can no longer trust and, hence, no longer love? Are they no longer welcome to the party?
I took my son to see the Constitution in Washington last spring, and was very moved to read its powerful words again.
Written when only one other republic existed on earth, (holland) it was a document of human freedom and optimism that I don't think has ever been equaled. Although it was not perfectly implemented ( blacks and native americans particularly shamefully excluded from its power) It was a concrete promise to humanity. "We the people" and"all men are created equal" was so revolutionary that virtually all the world's powers mocked it. To see it abused in such a fashion today is a crime.
I think that if the framers were alive today, they would have the entire Congress and Executive branch arrested for treason.
Chris D - bingo. She decries the same economic system that has made her wealthy beyond the dreams of most of the world's people.
I've been listening to her and all of this "Aquarian Conspiracy" (I know, Marilyn Ferguson, not Williamson) nonsense for the last 30 years and its a new age version of political onanism. I would reply as Stalin did to the Pope: how many tanks does she have? I hate to be so cynical, but does anyone in their right mind think this group of gangsters running the USA is going to cede one whit of power if we all join hands and chant kumbaya?
I would love to believe in my heart of hearts that the human race will wake up before its too late and reach this evolving state of consciousness that Williamson talks of - really, I do. However, being a dispassionate observer of the human animal for my 44 years, I have to conclude that the species has a self-destruct mechanism built into its genetic code (a belief built into many of Rod Serling's Twilight Zone scripts) and we are seeing the logical conclusion of that playing out in front of our eyes.
Again, I hope I am wrong, but fear I am not.
"There is another way, though you would only know it if you look for it with your heart."
These are words for all of us.
"Science and Health" by Mary Baker Eddy, "The Twelve Steps of Alcoholics Anonymous," Martin Luther King's "I Have a Dream," "A Course in Miracles," all these and many more spiritual visions and teachings have had their genesis in the United States of America. We are definitely bigger and better than the fearful thoughts and actions that have brought us to our spiritual knees. It's time to rise above them.
Thanks, Marianne Williamson. Thanks, Dennis Kucinich! Thanks to all who have seen the light and have the courage to speak of it. Now is the time for all of us to join the mighty chorus of freedom.
Marianne, you are one of the most beautiful people I know. You are beautiful to look at and even more beautiful when I hear your words.
I'd like to say that the problem with America is conservatism. Conservatives believe in: no interconnectedness among people; their way only, they are rigid, uncompromising; hierarchy and thus it is unnecessary to ameliorate human suffering; and, "government is the problem" which negates the notion of government as a force of collective action - "...for the people..."
Eliminate conservatism, expose its inherent absurdities, its duplicitous nature, its force for destruction and not construction and we can learn with less pain.
Thank you Marianne!
Please send this to all the Dem candidates - THIS is what they need to be saying. This country MUST return to a place where HOPE is felt, the possibility of contributing to something of National importance. People feel most alive when they are involved in something positive, uplifting, useful.
God is waiting for us to understand, and begin the process. I know, I know, time.....
These paragraphs need to be posted on every blog, in every newpaper, discussed on the cable channels and read in front of every congregation of this land.
Then - "the individual's only true assignment will be to learn to actualize the love within."
For this we are born
Yes. Bravo, Marianne Willliamson.
The way things are shaping up, I think we will learn ... but likely by pain.
Stilba [above] writes: "... this world needs changes that would be very hard for most westerners to accept..."
I don't think we're going to have a choice. The ball is rolling too fast. But pain is a great teacher if you want to live. It makes for courage, patience, forbearance, endurance, creativity, inner strength, wisdom, and on and on.
... and when everyone is in the same boat, handling "'a period of consequences,'" it makes for community ... with sharing, simplicity, innovation ... and, yes, even love ...
It's when the mountain is on the verge of toppling, but hasn't quite yet, that is the hard part. With the fait accompli, and everyone on the same page, knowing that it's digging out time and then time to rebuild, that the true learning begins ... and
the really good stuff starts to happen ...
www.firethegrid.org
Stilba,
Hope is not irresponsible - I think Marianne quite agrees with you that we are entering a period of consequences. That does not mean one should ever relinquish their own hope for love and advancement of the spirit just because the times become dire.
Fantastic to see Marianne Williamson here. So many need to read this.
Beautifully said:
"In fact, America is going to change. The only question is whether we will choose to change by embracing wisdom - repudiating the lies of a dysfunctional, increasingly dangerous worldview of an economic system predicated on the goal of short-term economic gain for the privileged few - or we will be forced by circumstances to make a quantum leap into our next stage of growth, embracing humanitarian concern as the new organizing principle of human civilization. The only real question at this point is how much suffering will have to occur before we wake up to the lesson before us. We can change now, making the transition fairly peacefully (not that violence does not already rage); or we can refuse to change, thereby inviting a greater intensity of disaster with every day we wait."
"Imagine" by John Lennon
"We" can begin this process by restoring what has been taken from us. "We" can show the world that we do not support what has happened in this country and to the countries we have invaded and occupied.
Don't stop working....
Outstanding statement of where we are and the choice before us.
Thank you Marianne.
We Americans will not change by embracing wisdom. To hope for that is irresponsible fantasy that ignores all the lessons of our history and the behaviors of living Americans. Hope dies last, of course, so I'll be irresponsible down to that. But as for the new conversation of "we" rather than "me", I think this is comparable to the soft-handed men in decades past who chatted over dinner about workers and the merits of world socialism. The talk is good, but this world needs changes that would be very hard for most westerners to accept. Wisdom would have been government mandated solar panels for all buildings in the 1970s. We've long missed that window. To borrow from Churchill, we will now enter "a period of consequences."
I urge one and all to either visit for the first time, www.firethegrid.org, or to re-visit. Another action in September will follow the global meditation of July 17th. Keep visiting until you find out what you are to do to heal the earth.
It is not that the US is a laggard in promoting an international connectedness and a new organizing principle based on universal human welfare, but that the US is the greatest obstacle to this new era Williamson dreams of. The US corporate oligarchy, using the US government as its arsenal of fascism, will risk worldwide nuclear war and human extinction in order to prevent this new age from dawning. That becomes more clear by the day.
WATCH!
Watch Marianne's Lecture at the Washington National Cathedral
http://i----i.org/mwcathedral.asx
http://marianne.com/book/index.htm
THANK YOU FOR YOUR COURAGE & WISDOM, MARIANNE!
Joanne
Having followed the links, I'm even more greatful for having had the insight to seize the opportunity to acquire a small home hundreds of miles from any major city, far away in the country whither to I may retreat, if only briefly, from an interconnected global human community. No phone, no t.v., no internet. It's simply wonderful.
BRAVO MARIANNE!
"The reemergence of women will bring about the healing of the world."
"The mind is its own kind of dance floor. What this generation could do from our rocking chairs could literally rock the world. Having slowed down physically, we're in a better space to rev up psychically. We are shifting from the outer to the inner not in order to begin our demise, but to reseed and regreen the consciousness of the planet. And that is what is happening now: we are going slower in order to go deeper in order to go faster in the direction of urgently needed change. The conscious midlife is not an end but a new beginning. Our youth has not been ended so much as our prolonged youth has been interrupted, not as some bum deal that comes at the end of the party, but as our salvation from ultimate meaninglessness. The generations now experiencing midlife cannot stand the thought that this was all for nothing. Dysfunctional, obsolete patterns of thought that blocked the pathway to our destiny are being interrupted at last. And while we might be feeling a bit depressed that we're no longer young, we're ecstatic that we're no longer clueless."
~Marianne Williamson~
A MUST VIEW VIDEO!
http://i----i.org/mwcathedral.asx
Yet still we have everything we need -probably for the first time in human history - to
It is tragic to realize how much could be done to provide a decent life for most of the world's population, but much of those resources are spent ending life. It is amazing to me how little debate there is concerning the enormous amount of money spent by the US on "defense". Even with all that money spent we still can't control a small country like Iraq. If the $500B was spent for the good of humanity instead of fighting humanity what incredible things could be accomplished. Someone should have to explain to a father or mother desperate to feed and care for their children that we spend $1B for one B-2 bomber instead of giving them a helping hand.
America is admired when it provides food and aid to those suffering from disaster, earthquake, tsunami, war (Marshall Plan in particular) without expectation of payment, whether that be money or obedience.
Generosity garners good will.
Now America mostly provides weapons and fear and reaps ill will in return.
2 1/2 points re: Republic of South Africa
It voluntarily gave up its nuclear weapons program.
It is being destabilized by the implosion of its neighbor, Zimbabwe (thousands of whose citizens flee to RSA each day).
Oh, one more thing. The only obese people I saw in South Africa were Americans.
Bruce, I agree, but even she still thinks the US has or ever had moral authority on this planet.
AAAAAHHHHH, it feels so good to read Marianne Williamson on Common Dreams. She is perhaps our single wisest sage.
It is never too late to learn with joy. We just have to make the monumental effort to do it.
Yes, thank you Marriane for your wise words. I have heard her say on many occasions how this country was founded by the "Founding Fathers". She says that now is the time for the "Mending Mothers". I couldn't agree more. We must support women like Marriane, Vandana Shiva, Barbara Marx Hubbard, Granny D, Alice Walker, Cynthia Mckinney, Barbara Lee and so many others. Along with enlightened men, there will be an amazing shift. please see www.firethegrid.com
Dakotalin: Insightful observation. Marianne is extremely charismatic, and I think you identified something that also repelled me.
BUSHWA BLUES: The timeline you make use of to support your "theory" of when enlightenment took place is extremely short-sighted. Impulses to support the tribe or greater good have existed in many indigenous societies well before Europe experienced its various revolutions that led to a political extension of human rights. There were civilizations that predate the modern world, one buried on the sands of the Gobi desert, another swallowed up by the seas (Atlantis) that had extremely evolved communities. To base our understanding on 3000 years of patriarchal written history taken from the white male perspective leads to theories that are myopic, arrogant and unimaginative at best. They contain GERMS of truth but hardly constitute THE unimpeachable and full Truth.
Thanks, to those of you who have brought out the facts about Marianne and her life. Being a pacifest or someone committed to non-violence does not mean you are inactive, self-centered or self-righteous. The quakers are a good example of a non-violent group committed to social action. Their strong anti-slavery words and actions are well known. They accomplished a lot more than then John Brown with his violent rebellion.
As I pointed out in my earlier post the Course In Miracles is not about love or for that matter "super natural events" it is a course in looking at your thoughts and being honest about the true motives behind your actions. Most of the time it is not a pretty picture and I am talking about myself as well as humanity as a whole.
If we do not look at why we act as we do, we are doomed to repeating the same painful mistakes. This is true on the National as well as the personal level.
What are the thought systems that allowed us to attack Iraq and are keeping us there? Is there not a basic belief that our nation's interests are more important than that of other nations and that they are anti-thetical? As progressives, I think most of us would agree that the asperations and needs of other nations as well as that of Nature are equally if not more important. If we are not able to alter the basic mind set of selfishness and fear then our and our nation's actions will not fundamentally change though the form may look different.