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It is time to think about the "unthinkable."
The Bush Administration has both the inclination and the power to cancel the 2008 election.
The GOP strategy for another electoral theft in 2008 has taken clear shape, though we must assume there is much more we don't know.
But we must also assume that if it appears to Team Bush/Cheney/Rove that the GOP will lose the 2008 election anyway (as it lost in Ohio 2006) we cannot ignore the possibility that they would simply cancel the election. Those who think this crew will quietly walk away from power are simply not paying attention.
The real question is not how or when they might do it. It's how, realistically, we can stop them.
In Florida 2000, Team Bush had a game plan involving a handful of tactics. With Jeb Bush in the governor's mansion, the GOP used a combination of disenfranchisement, intimidation, faulty ballots, electronic voting fraud, a rigged vote count and an aborted recount, courtesy of the US Supreme Court.
A compliant Democrat (Al Gore) allowed the coup to be completed.
In Ohio 2004, the arsenal of dirty tricks exploded. Based in Columbus, we have documented more than a hundred different tactics used to steal the 20 electoral votes that gave Bush a second term. More are still surfacing. As a result of the King-Lincoln-Bronzeville federal lawsuit (in which we are plaintiff and attorney) we have now been informed that 56 of the 88 counties in Ohio violated federal law by destroying election records, thus preventing a definitive historical recount.
As in 2000, a compliant Democrat (John Kerry) allowed the coup to proceed.
For 2008 we expect the list of vote theft maneuvers to escalate yet again. We are already witnessing a coordinated nationwide drive to destroy voter registration organizations and to disenfranchise millions of minority, poor and young voters.
This carefully choreographed campaign is complemented by the widespread use of electronic voting machines. As reported by the Government Accountability Office, Princeton University, the Brennan Center, the Carter-Baker Commission, US Rep. John Conyers (D-MI) and others, these machines can be easily used to flip an election. They were integral to stealing both the 2000 and 2004 elections. Efforts to make their source codes transparent, or to require a usable paper trail on a federal level, have thus far failed. A discriminatory Voter ID requirement may also serve as the gateway to a national identification card.
Overall, the GOP will have at its command even more weapons of election theft in 2008 than it did in Ohio 2004, which jumped exponentially from Florida 2000. The Rovian GOP is nothing if not tightly organized to do this with ruthless efficiency. Expect everything that was used these past two presidential elections to surface again in 2008 in far more states, with far more efficiency, and many new dirty tricks added in.
But in Ohio 2006, the GOP learned a hard lesson. Its candidate for governor was J. Kenneth Blackwell. The Secretary of State was the essential on-the-ground operative in the theft of Ohio 2004.
When he announced for governor, many Ohioans joked that "Ken Blackwell will never lose an election where he counts the votes."
But lose he did....along with the GOP candidates for Secretary of State, Attorney-General and US Senate.
By our calculations, despite massive grassroots scrutiny, the Republicans stole in excess of 6% of the Ohio vote in 2006. But they still lost.
Why? Because they were so massively unpopular that even a 6% bump couldn't save them. Outgoing Governor Bob Taft, who pled guilty to four misdemeanors while in office, left town with a 7% approval rating (that's not a typo). Blackwell entered the last week of the campaign down 30% in some polls.
So while the GOP still had control of the electoral machinery here in 2006, the public tide against them was simply too great to hold back, even through the advanced art and science of modern Rovian election theft.
In traditional electoral terms, that may also be the case in 2008. Should things proceed as they are now, it's hard to imagine any Republican candidate going into the election within striking distance. The potential variations are many, but the graffiti on the wall is clear.
What's also clear is that this administration has a deep, profound and uncompromised contempt for democracy, for the rule of law, and for the US Constitution. When George W. Bush went on the record (twice) as saying he has nothing against dictatorship, as long as he can be dictator, it was a clear and present policy statement.
Who really believes this crew will walk quietly away from power? They have the motivation, the money and the method for doing away with the electoral process altogether. So why wouldn't they?
The groundwork for dismissal of both the legislative and judicial branch has been carefully laid. The litany is well-known, but worth a very partial listing:
The continuation of the drug war, and the Patriot Act, Homeland Security Act and other dictatorial laws prompted by the 9/11/2001 terror attacks, have decimated the Bill of Rights, and shredded the traditional American right to due process of law, freedom from official surveillance, arbitrary violence, and far more.
The current Attorney-General, Alberto Gonzales, has not backed away from his announcement to Congress that the Constitution does not guarantee habeas corpus. The administration continues to act on the assumption that it can arrest anyone at any time and hold them without notification or trial for as long as it wants.
The establishment of the Homeland Security Agency has given it additional hardware to decimate the basic human rights of our citizenry. Under the guise of dealing with the "immigration problem," large concentration camps are under construction around the US.
The administration has endorsed and is exercising its "right" to employ torture, contrary to the Eighth Amendment and to a wide range of international treaties, which Gonzales has labeled "quaint."
With more than 200 "signing statements" the administration acts on its belief that the "unitary executive" trumps the power of the legislative branch in any instance it chooses. This belief has been further enforced with the administration's use of a wide range of precedent-setting arguments to keep its functionaries from testifying before Congress.
There is much more. In all instances, the 109th Congress---and the public---have rolled over without significant resistance.
Most crucial now are Presidential Directive #51, Executive Orders #13303, #13315, #13350, #13364, #13422, #13438, and more, by which Bush has granted himself an immense arsenal of powers for which the term "dictatorial" is a modest understatement.
The Founders established our government with checks and balances. But executive orders have accumulated important precedent. The Emancipation Proclamation by which Lincoln declared an end to slavery in the South, was issued under the "military necessity" of adding blacks to the Union Army, a step without which the North might not have won the Civil War. Franklin Roosevelt's Executive Order #8802 established the Fair Employment Practices Commission. Harry Truman's Executive Order #9981 desegregated the military.
Most to the point, FDR's Executive Order #9066 ordered the forcible internment of 100,000 people of Japanese descent into the now infamous concentration camps of World War II.
There is also precedent for a president overriding the Supreme Court. In the 1830s Chief Justice John Marshall enshrined the right of the Cherokee Nation to sovereignty over its ancestral land in the Appalachian Mountains. But President Andrew Jackson scorned the decision. Some 14,000 native Americans were moved at gunpoint to Oklahoma. More than 3,000 died along the way.
All this will be relevant should Team Bush envision a defeat in the 2008 election and decide to call it off. It's well established that Richard Nixon---mentor to Karl Rove and Dick Cheney---commissioned the Huston Plan, which detailed how to cancel the 1972 election.
Today we must ask: who would stop this administration from taking dictatorial power in the instance of a "national emergency" such as a terror attack at a nuclear power plant or something similar?
Nothing in the behavior of this Congress indicates that it is capable of significant resistance. Impeachment seems beyond it. Nor does it seem Congress would actually remove Bush if it did put him on trial.
Short of that, Bush clearly does not view anything Congress might do as a meaningful impediment. After all, how many divisions does the Congress command?
The Supreme Court, as currently constituted, would almost certainly rubber stamp a Bush coup. If not, like Jackson, he could ignore it as easily as he would ignore Congress.
What does that leave? There is much idle speculation now about what the armed forces would do. We also hear loose talk about "90 million gun owners."
From the public side, the only conceivable counter-force might be a national strike or an effective long-term campaign of general non-cooperation.
But we can certainly assume the mainstream media will give lock-step support to whatever the regime says and does. It's also a given that those likely to lead the resistance will immediately land in those new prisons being built by Halliburton et. al.
So how do we cope with the harsh realities of such a Bush/Cheney/Rove dictatorial coup?
We may have about a year to prepare. Every possible scenario needs to be discussed in excruciating detail.
For only one thing is certain: denial will do nothing.
HARVEY WASSERMAN'S HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATES is at www.solartopia.org, along with SOLARTOPIA! OUR GREEN-POWERED EARTH, A.D. 2030. The FITRAKIS FILES are at www.freepress.org (where this article was originally published), along with HOW THE GOP STOLE AMERICA'S 2004 ELECTION & IS RIGGING 2008, which Bob and Harvey co-wrote.
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Show AllTo find the Concentration Camps. "Opps", "Dentention Centers", search Goggle for Ready Exercise 1984 "REX 84" then search for the "New World Order" to find out about the Executive Orders that our government plans to enact to take over our nation under Martial Law.
Slowly "Habeas Corpus" right to a "trial in court", cancelled by the "War Commissions Act of 2006"
Guns outlawed and confiscated by "Public Law 87-297" which first disarms all weapons from Law Abiding Citizens who will just hand them over to the National Guard when they knock on the door.
Not one American Citizen has the guts to fight back, they will go to court to get their guns back, and who runs the courts, the government of course. Unless citizens were organized into fighting groups, which of course our government will squash immediately as terrorist organizations, our nation will be taken over and all citizens will behave or else. You will pay all tax's demanded, because you won't fight back NOW.
You will submit, and let the traitor Government give this nation to the "NEW WORLD ORDER", under the UNITED NATIONS.
That's what all this build up China is all about, to get China involved in world trade, so the only choice for them is to go along with the One World Order.
No more Constitution, no more Bill of Rights, no more FREEDOMS. You have been sold. Do you really want to save this nation? Do you really want to get off your behind and do something, then help me get elected this fall, and by God I'll bring jobs back to America, I will deport all Illegal Aliens, I will stop all the imports from China, I will restore this nation to the wonder country this use to be, where we had a future. Check out http://www.DonCordellforPresident.com and see what must be done, before our nation uses treason to end the United States of America.
The election doesn't have to be cancelled for the administration to maintain its power and initiate martial law. It could simply wait and see what the results are, and based on the results make its decision... The winner of the election, if it is not the incumbent president, is simply titled president elect, and does not take office until the following year... that gives several months for a terrorist attack to take place and for martial law to be instituted, at which time the administration could use national security as a reason to stay in office, until the "problem" is cleared up...
This would work better for them, as many americans are afraid of switching leadership during wartime, which is another reason why they were able to maintain office in 2004. So if there is a big enough problem when it is time for the administration to step down and allow the president elect into office, many in the public would accept the fact that the president is staying in office to "finish the job".
This is so weird this was an idea that I had like 2 years ago... I always thought I was a little bit crazy, and who else would believe this. So, I decided to do a google search (by the way try googlonymous.com) and found this article. It was always in the back of my mind, but never could such a thing happen, and here we are; it's becoming even more possible. I don't know what will happen, but with the secret meetings for the NAU why couldn't this happen? Is it really so unrealistic? "I do not recall" is the new catch phrase in Washington. They think they can get away with any horrible action by claiming that they have a bad memory? No. Its time to take a closer look and make an observation or two before we will allow the unthinkable to happen while fuhrer Bush says hello to his 3rd consecutive term as the new American dictator.
I'm glad to see that there are so many people that are thinking about this. My wife and I have been discussing this possiblity for quite some time now, and I thought that we might be alone in our observation of what is happening. It seems that this administration has probably passed the point of no return. They've consolidated power within the Justice Dept, they have a managable Supreme Court, ( as if that even matters ) and they stand in total defiance of congress. Right now, congress has the ability to pass a law requiring that Bush not invade or attack Iran without congress approval. I doubt seriously that Bush would accept any law that requires him to get congressionaly approval to go to war with Iran, even though the responsibility to declare war rests with congress. He ignores congress. If he ignored them on this, that would be grounds for impeachment, but who would actually ever remove him? The Justice Dept? Not likely. He is the Justice Dept. The pentagon, actually works for congress. They have the authority to declare war, and the purse strings that pay for everything associated with the military. I can't imagine the military turning their weapons on American citizens, ( at least I would hope not )but I can easily imagine the mercenary contractors that are paid to ply their trade in Iraq, being used against us.
I expect another terrorist attack in this country ( orchestrated by the administration ) to take place before the next election, and that will be the pre-text for suspending the constitution and launching another war against Iran. We already have a battle group sitting in the Persian Gulf. I believe it's 4 Carriers and ships that accompany them. They could launch an attack at any time.
I'm sure that Bush will tell us that all of our rights under the constitution will be returned once the "war on terror" is won, which of course will never end. Perpetual war, will justify a dictatorship. Bush hasn't done all of this to simply walk away from it, and possibly have it all undone by somebody else. I think that's why they don't care about poll numbers. The polls don't matter to them.
For those interested in footage of home-grown concentration camps, I recommend going to Youtube and running a query.
"Concentration camps" should be sufficient.
As of today, there are plenty of returns.
Military members must take the Oath of Enlistment -
"I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God." (Title 10, US Code)
There is no guidance on what a military member should do if the orders of the President conflict with supporting the Constitution.
If the 2008 election is 'delayed', you will likely have a rift in the US Military. (Similar to the Civil War period) As a military member, I would say that more than 75% will side with the President. The rest will support the Constitution and there will be a number of desertions.
I honestly hope that it won't come to that.
IF there is a 2008 election, it is obvious to me that Dennis Kucinich is the only logical choice for a candidate. Unfortunatly, I predict the victor will be Rudy Giuliani.
We had the "New Pearl Harbor" that was needed to rally the American people around Bush when he wanted to invade Iraq. We were fooled then and now he plans to do it again. I just pray that the New New Pearl Harbor isn't a nuclear disaster! I wouldn't put it past him. He is a murderer and a liar and another mass murder is not beyond him. He would do anything to keep control of this country. He has already abandoned the law of the land and the Constitution. He has been setting himself up to cancel the elections for some time now. He has his "edict" in place that allows him to take over all three branches of government when he decides that there is a state of emergency. So, he attacks America again, declares an emergency, takes over government, uses what's left of the military at home and declares martial law. We can't have an election in those circumstances now can we? He has also made it illegal to protest anything that he does in the name of Homeland Security so there you are! Tyranny at its finest. As S.Lewis once said, "When fascism comes to America it will be carrying a cross and wrapped in an American flag." (or something very close to that!) He has set us up big time and now comes the fall. God help us.
"(Ephesians. 1: 11)"
God is operating "All" in accord with the Counsel of His (predetermined) "Will"
There is no decision, or choice in any matter that we may or may not make affects God's Grand pre-planned predetermined Goal. "After-all He is The Grand Architect and Designer of the Universe"
Our Heavenly Celestial God, and His illuminated one's know and call Him Father! He knows every little thing about all His creatures, like the number of each hair on our head and when one falls out! "Do we" We have no secrets that are hid from the Supreme Almighty Celestial Architect.
We are creatures coming from the soil and dependent on our senses to live. We are soilish flesh creatures. The Scriptures say that the fleshly (soulish) man is not receiving the things of the Spirit of God. "God breathed into the first created human out of the pre-created earth's soil the nostrils the breath of life and man became a living soul. We humans live by our senses. That is the only means we as all living moving creatures do to live and survive is by our perception. We say, "I see it or this tastes good." We have "senses" which are the "controlling factors" in our lives, but the senses can only bring to us all, being living moving soilish earthly creatures the things that can be seen, heard,, tasted, etc.
The spirit of humanity is the "breath" of life. The Hebrew word for breath is "spirit", or wind.
Man is not able to understand or perceive things that are of the spirit. That is why it is that the human as a creature has no perception of God I am speaking of the individual who has not become a believer, In (Romans 1: 18). we learn that they have that, which is known of God, for it is apparent among them.
For example, that which may be known of the watchmaker is the perception of what the watchmaker made and is in my hand "The Watch" I have never seen the watchmaker, but, I know he exists, because I have see, and feel the watch. I know he is a wise man, and know many things about him, which I gather from the things he has made.
God, has a means whereby man may have some knowledge of His existence. Man can know His imperceptible power and divinity. Man has no reason to say there is no God when he can see all things that God has made. Just like Nicodemus who said, No man can do these things unless God, is in and with him." (John.3: 2). What did Nicodemus see? Her saw something visible which spoke to him of the invisible. God has given us things that will give us a deeper perception than we can get through His creation. In order to do this man has to have something he did not get from Adam. It was not given to Adam or any human being apart from faith in Christ, the second Adam. We had the spirit of humanity, but, humanity is not able to perceive the truths of the spirit. All humanity has it in common and we are able to grasp material things of humanity because the race has the same spirit of humanity. In order that we may have a realization of God we need God's Spirit, and He tells us in 1. Corinthians 2: 12 that we have the Spirit, which is from God. He is speaking here of course people who are believers and who see the heralding the wisdom and power of the God of the cross, to the unbelievers the cross is stupidity. Yet God, delights to save those who are believing. "We have the spirit of God homing in us (Romans 8: 9). "Now the soulish (fleshly) man is not receiving the things of God, for they are stupidity to him, and he is not able to know them, seeing that they are Spiritually examined." (1.Corinthians. 2: 14). "We have God's Spirit, and now we are able to perceive the things of the Spirit.
PS. There was a little boy who was a helper in a store, one day his master asked him to watch the store while he (the master) ran across the street. A stranger came in and was purchasing two yards of material, and the stranger said to the boy, while your at it cut me a few extra yards, you master is out and he won't know the difference, and the young lad said, to the stranger, Sir, my Master is never out…"The Stranger stood back in Shock" He was unaware that the little boy had a master in Heaven WHO IS NEVER OUT. (Colossians. 4: 1). He knows everything that goes on in the Universe, the big things and the little things. We have one too.
So-It-goes!
Koch
This is something that I said would happen, and will happen I said that this president would be the last President that would ever hold an elected office in the Nation, and their is not a thing that anyone can do ablut i9t it is the will of God that is being carried out, God is operating all in accord with the counsel of His will (Ephesians. 1:11). All is the consequence of His decree. He is afterall a sovereign supreme God (Deity) and nothing can go contrary to His divine will *(decree)*
All is going according to His will not our will. Mankind wants what he wants but he gets what he gets...We don't alwayus get what we want but you just might find out that we get what we need.
So-It-goes!
Koch
WOLF, reading the link in your post makes the Mafia look like kindergarten. Makes me want to just go tend my garden and not even bother to vote. Are you suggesting there is no birth certificate for George H.W. Bush?
Okay Ladies and Gentleman, here is a history lesson.
The Bible tells us of this prophecy. We are Living in the Last days, also know as the Time of the End! If you doubt read Matt 24:15. In that scripture, Jesus, the greatest Teacher tell us that when we see things look really bad, read the Book of Daniel.
The Book of Daniel marches us through history right up to today, then the information that Daniel has is sealed until the book of Revelation picks it up. Read Daniel Chapters 2, 7 and 8
In short there have been four world powers, Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece and Pagan and then Papal Rome (the last power is left ambiguous because God knew that the Roman Catholic Church (the Beast) would destroy the Bible completely if He would have specifically identified it by name in the Bible. Pagan Rome changed to Papal Rome in 508 A.D. From 538 AD to 1798 AD (The Dark Ages) the Roman Catholic Church (RCC) went about destroying all knowledge of the Bible. This situation was quasi-rescued in 1798 by the French by General Berthier when he attacked the Vatican and took the Pope prisoner. The RCC's power never returned until recently.
Dan. 13:3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
· This deadly wound (the attack on the RCC) reduced the power of the RCC and began a long separation of church and state throughout much of the world
· The RCC has long since wanted to see that old power return to the world in the form of and through the United States. BINGO!!! Notice the influence that the church has on the current government. Especially this administration
Dan. 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time. =1260 years, the dark ages!!!
Throughout its existence and especially from ~300A.D. the RCC changed some of everything especially the most important thing changing the Sabbath from the seventh day to the first day.
YOU COULD BE KILLED FOR HAVING A COPY OF THE BIBLE DURING THAT TIME!!!
Thus the people of the known world were kept in spiritual DARKNESS
Consider the beginning of the U.S.A.
Rev. 13:11 And I beheld another beast (world power) coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon. The two horns represent two powers that were decidedly separate (civil and religious) Separation of Church and state!!!
The U.S. started out acknowledging the rights of its people to worship, as they wanted w/o the influence of the church. Which is why they came to America in the first place
Fast forward to 2001 and the current administration
Rev. 13:12 And he (the U.S.A.) exerciseth all the power of the first beast (the Roman Catholic Church) before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
When this country goes dictatorship the religious right will have control of world leadership and they will then force all eyes to worship the beast. The image of the beast is THE DAY THAT THE BEAST FORCED THE OLD WORLD TO WORSHIP! And it will do it again!
Has not this government begun speaking like the beast before it? Did the people of Europe have power to speak against ROME?!!! Stay tuned.
The neo-con cabal simply cannot afford to lose the next election. The consequences are perilous. They could not risk having the powers of the Patriot Act, the Homeland Security Act, the No More Habeas Corpus Act and the Because I Said So Act fall into the hands of President Clinton/ Obama/ Kucinich and AG Edwards/ Waxman/ Nader. The questions could get awkward. The renditions could get extraordinary.
So, why take the chance? What Republican strategist is pushing "Let's forget we know how to steal elections and try to beat them fair and square while we're only 26% back in the polls"? If you steal one election, don't you sort of have to steal all the ones that follow?
dwatkins9 July 31st, 2007 1:11 pm
Why are "ninety million gun owners" dismissed so easily and cavalierly? An armed citizenry is a bulwark against tyranny.
Uhh.. Cruise missiles and tanks maybe?
It ain't working out so good for those Iraqis and they have AK's and rocket launchers. We get pistols and shotguns.
Our founders meant for the citizenry to be as well armed as the military. I want my tank.
I know of a place under construction, out of sight due to hills, with direct access off of a major highway. I drive by it quite often and never noticed it was there. I "discovered" it one night when I pulled off the Hwy in front of the large, newly paved entrance, and was immediately greeted by two security ambassadors who seemed to appear out of thin air.
Them: "What are you doing"
Me: "Eating my lunch" "Why?"
Them: " Your going to have to do that somewhere else."
Me: "Why?" "This is a public Hwy."
Them: "Not here it's not."
Me: "Really"
Them: "Really"
They were private security. I didn't want a hassle so I moved on. I am not saying this place is an internment camp, just that it is odd and secretive.
Don't be fooled into believing, that just because you haven't seen a news report, or a flashing neon sign, that possible internment camps don't exist.
The True Story Of Nikola Tesla And His Murder
http://www.proliberty.com/observer/20070405.htm
In short, Otto Skorzeny claimed that the true identity of George H.W. Bush was "George H. Scherff, Jr., the son of Nikola Tesla's illegal-immigrant, German-born accountant, George H. Scherff, Sr."
Skorzeny did not stop there. He produced a photo of a young Skorzeny, Mengele, Bormann, and the family of George H. Scherff, Sr.. Seated in the midst of those in the photo was a young George H. Scherff, Jr., who, Skorzeny explained, was trained as a spy and sent to America to work for Adolph Hitler. "He was given false identification and adopted by Prescott Sheldon Bush as his "son," George Herbert Walker Bush," Skorzeny went on. "He forged a birth certificate in order to enter the military before he turned 18. He was 16 at the time."
In the family photo, a young Scherff and Bormann both sported a German Navy uniform. Scherff later enlisted in the U.S. Navy as "George H.W. Bush."
In even greater detail, Otto Skorzeny described how ("contrary to the CIA-written history books") he helped Hitler escape to Austria in a plane flown by a female pilot, Hanna Reitsch. "Hitler did not commit suicide," Skorzeny recounted. "His double was shot between the eyes, and the dental records proved he was not Hitler. The Americans kept it a secret, worried the truth might anger the Russians."
Eric "Orion" (Berman), in a live radio interview on Republic Broadcasting Network, January 17, 2006, [14] detailed how "Skorzeny died on December 31, 1999. His body was cremated, I have a copy of his death certificate, and I saw his ashes. After the war, he helped George Bush found the CIA through Operation Paperclip and ODESSA."
Berman recounted how Skorzeny was found "not guilty" at the Nuremburg trials, and then ushered into the CIA. "Some 50,000+ S.S. Nazi war criminals, not just rocket scientists, were brought to America after the war."
The significance of this benign description of Tesla's inventions and his last days has a direct relationship to the previously unknown claims of Otto Skorzeny. As Skorzeny described (to Berman) in detail his involvement with George H. W. Bush (George H. Scherff, Jr.) in organizing the CIA by absorbing Nazi S.S. agents," he intimated that it was Reinhard Gehlen and himself who murdered Nikola Tesla on January 6, 1943 by strangulation/suffocation.
Part 2: Deathbed confessions, photos support claims that George H. Scherf(f), Jr., was 41st U.S. president
Why did the most brilliant scientist in history die penniless with his inventions benefiting megalo-maniacal governments and ruthless organized criminals? Why are the world's most profitable businesses oil, chemicals, war, pharmaceuticals, "illegal" drugs, human slavery and prostitution? Why do "democratic" governments rule their people with oppressive, police-state tactics? Why do these "democracies" poison the food, the water, the air and the land; why do they tax and regulate their people into slavery?
It is simple to understand when you put these questions into human terms. We know how people occupy niches in our own circles of influence; how we all try to maximize our opportunities within a given set of circumstances—and how some can be depended upon to lie, cheat and/or steal their way into success within an operating framework.
Look at the Bush and Walker families' lineage on this page and keep it in your mind as you read through and internalize this part of the story—the story of why America is ailing, how she became ill and who poisoned her. The relationships are (intentionally?) complex and difficult to decipher, so we have attempted to reduce them to workable symbols as if parts of equations. When we come out the other side of this article, we should have no question in our minds as to which "families" have been most influential in the preplanned destruction of America and her once-free people. Continued . . .
Canceling the 2008 election is not unthinkable - it is downright certain provided that we have a serious terrorist attack. The next attack, I am guessing, will be blamed in part on homegrown - that is, American - terrorists. This will facilitate the imposition of martial law, as after all we will need to be protected from ourselves. Recent documents suggest that sections of the Army are now being prepped for deployment in the US, where they will fight a 'counter-insurgency'.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/7/25/6360/14594
What you people need to realize is this... IT DOES NOT MATTER WHO IS PRESIDENT FROM EITHER DEMOCRAT OR REPUBLICAN
PARTIES... THEY ARE BOTH IN THE SAME.. THEY ARE DEMOPUBLICANS. BOTH PARTIES CONTROLLED BY THE SAME PEOPLE.. ITS TIME TO VOTE 3RD PARTY.. THE ONLY REPUBLICAN I WILL VOTE FOR IN THE NEXT ELECTION WILL BE RON PAUL... RON PAUL IS THE ONLY CANDIDATE WHO UPHOLDS THE CONSTITUTION! YOU WANT CHANGE THEN VOTE FOR RON PAUL!!!!!
This former "demo" is going for the most viable honest person running....DR. RON PAUL...JOIN THE REVOLUTON !!!! THE REAL DEAL !!!
Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country.
Is there anyone here who is owed a favor by Putin and Chevez?
Fact that the Neo Cons can still stay in power after all the in-your-face lies and scandals is proof that they could pull anything off.
What can you do about it if the 2008 election is canceled? Everything is under absolute control of Bush's handlers... those who run the New World Order... It is a high tech system powered by infinite money.
Those who believe it is a Democrat vs. Republican issue are just pawns in the over all control game. Keeping you polarized is the plan.
Every form of resistance can be easily countered via the control system. We are so pacified and introverted, as people there is no organized resistance nor can one effectively arise. All resistance will be crushed mercilessly. This is not just some future prediction, it's happening now!
But really, it makes no difference who gets elected, the deck is stacked. Ron Paul may be your only present hope!
This will never be allowed to happen. He might make a feeble attempt to cancel the 2008 elections but it would falter. Like I said it will not be allowed. The light is brightly shining on the darkness of his dark ways trying to enslave us into a dictatorship. Just with our intent we can stop this.
Ok kem, well the only difference is he would get 4 or 8 more years.
NL.___ No, I was not pulling your leg.__ Are you a girl?____ Never mind,__ I love wemon.
Anyway, your comments were accurate and to the point. Gore is not a candidate, but that could change. There are many here who don't know or understand the truth about Gore, regarding his last run and the end results. If he does run, you could help, possibly more than you realize. Please don't use those big words, like the ones you wrote in your last bolg. Damn NL, most of us aren't that smart.
Germandude. If Bush fell over dead, Cheney would be our new president. It would not make any difference, he already is the president. Well, one difference,__ Cheney has intelligence. Intelligence and evilness are a bad mix.
Hello, I just registered to give my 2 cents in this very interesting discussion. First off, I'm not American but German, but I'm still following this discussion with great interest as everything that ever happens in America seems to spill over to Europe just a few years later.
So my point is, have any of you ever thought of this variant: What would keep Cheney from becoming the next president? So I gather he is not running. But if the president himself fell victim to a 'terrorist attack', would that not automatically give Cheney full presidential powers? And in the national uproar that would ensue, it would not be difficult to him to 'win' the next 'elections' (duh), whether in 2008 or postponed.
From a European viewpoint, it really seems as if Bush is more or less only a puppet and the master mind of American politics is the vice president. Now I do hope with all of you that all of these are only crazy conspiracy theories, but being German I've grown up being educated to fight fascism when it is still in its beginnings, because afterwards it will be too late to stop it.
Hi KEM,
i am guessing that you're pulling my leg with that one, as my snark-detector is not giving a clear signal one way or the other :)
It is unfortunate that people spread notions about what happened in Florida that are the exact opposite of the reality which was that Gore fought hard in FL, until no recourse was left for him to pursue. I find it appalling to see the truth twisted when people talk about Florida'2000. Giving the benefit of the doubt in terms of motives, only some sort of cognitive dissonance phenomenon can explain the false commentary.
Thanks for your comment.
NL___ Thank you for that. I hope you post that comment on every string that concerns Gore, at least once a week, there are many including those concerning global warming.
Also, please see the following:
The 2000 Presidential election: A Synopsis
Link: http://tinyurl.com/ypgc3d
Thanks again.
Re-posting as my the earlier comment hasn't appeared by the time I post this.
Unfortunately, the claim "A compliant Democrat (Al Gore) allowed the coup to be completed." is false.
Facts about FL'2000
1. Gore fought for 35 days: link
2. After the verdict, DNC Chair Rendell called Gore to concede: link
3. 79% of Americans wanted Gore to concede should the SC ruling go against him: link
4. The urban myth "The Gore was cherry picking districts to get more votes." is false. They asked the Bush campaign to join them to request a statewide recount, and the Bush campaign refused. This link explains in detail.
5. Daschle and other senate Democrats had a power sharing agreement with senate Republicans, which was the reason that no Democratic senator supported the protests by the CBS regarding the certification of the election, contrary to the impression left by Fahrenheit 9/11 movie's opening scene. link.
Gore fought until no recourse was left and did so despite waning support from the party brass in later weeks.
Please see here for links: http://tinyurl.com/yvr5nf
Thank you.
A compliant Democrat (Al Gore) allowed the coup to be completed.
You folks know that this is patently false rewrite of history. Don't you? It's time stop spinning these false memes, ladies and gentlemen!
These were the facts that played out in FL:
Facts about FL'2000
1. Gore fought for 35 days: link
2. After the verdict, DNC Chair Rendell called Gore to concede: link
3. 79% of Americans wanted Gore to concede should the SC ruling go against him. link
4. The urban myth "The Gore was cherry picking districts to get more votes." is false. They asked the Bush campaign to join them to request a statewide recount, and the Bush campaign refused. This link explains in detail
5. Daschle and other senate Democrats had a power sharing agreement with senate Republicans, which was the reason that no Democratic senator supported the protests by the CBC regarding the certification of the election, contrary to the impression left by Fahrenheit 9/11 movie's opening scene. link
Gore fought until no recourse was left and did so despite waning support from the party leadership in later weeks.
Please see also: 2000 Election synopsis
Hello Kem,
Thanks for your thoughts. Would be kinda interesting if circumstances were such that the American People (in the face of their strong preference Not to do so)...Found themselves --- DEMANDING I'M-A-PEACH-MENTO.
"Shocked! We are Shocked~"
"We Never Knew! Astonished! We never guessed... We never thought...!"
"All Shook Up and la-dee-da!"
It's the source material that calls for each of our evaluation. Is this stuff sound or nonsense? You be the lead detective and finally the judge and jury.
"Could it really be....? Shocked, I tell you, Flabby -we -are -ghasted," etc, etc, ad nauseum.
("Now what was we were watchin' on the Plasma Screen, Honey? Oh, yeah and, doll, on your way, would you bring me a beer")?
"What??
"I said BEER ME, HON!"
I wish you were right Powerlove, but as long as Congressman Conyers is the ONLY person who can stop an impeachment process, like he is presently doing with HR-333, impechment will not be a slam dunk.
Our Constitutin is the supreme law of the land and if not, we have no law in America.
Any violation of that law by the president is an impeachable offense. By that law, congress SHALL IMPEACH. Not may, or should, shall!
Conyers is guilty of violating that law. No one is challenging him on that crime and it is a mystery to me why no one has.
There's a
**relatively simple**
answer to the many thoughtful issues raised here.
Go to Amazon.com and (at the very least) check out the customer reviews of the book, Crossing the Rubicon, by Michael Ruppert. If your drawn to do so, read the book, and judge its arguments and conclusions for yourself.
If/When this stuff goes public (assuming it is valid) impeachment will be "in the bag,"
unavoidable...
"A Slam Dunk," if you will.
But be ready to be both
en-lightened
and
endarkened
simultaneously.
If you happen to be more of an "on-line person," and less of a "book person," you might enjoy looking at some of the same material at: Fromthewilderness.com.
If/Once the elections are cancelled, however, it will be too late (if it isn't already).
Again, the material is available. Get / consider this information while you still can.
Good night and Good Luck.
Please excuse the above - I'm having trouble posting this.
showmetheproof and others -
jakgillespie asked a good question a while ago - He asked "Would someone please explain how a signing statement or an executive order becomes the law of the land?"
I'd like to know this too. These things change the laws that Congress has passed, at a presidents whim, so - are they even constitutional? i can't find them mentioned in my copy of the Consgtitution. IMHO, they are grounds enough for impeachment. Anyone know?
Sorry about the bad start above-
showmetheproof and others -
jakgillespie asked a very good question a mile or so back, and no one answered him.
He asked: "Would someone please explain how a signing statement or an executive order becomes the law of the land?" I ask that too.
Considering the 800 +/- signing statements GWB has signed, thus nullifying laws passed by Congress, not to mention all the Executive Orders and Directives that also seem to immediately become the law of the land, also nullifying laws passed by Congress and often stripping Americans of their Bill of Rights rights, one does wonder - is this constitutional? Apparently it is, because all presidents do it and everyone accepts it (although GWB may be the worst), but on re-reading my constitution I can't find any mention of signing statemens or executive Orders/Directives. So when did this practice start and it is really legal?
IMHO, these adjustments to the laws should be illegal if they're not, and grounds for impeachment all by themselves.
Aymon!
Well stated!
To Pete:
There is no pendulum. All there is, all there EVER is, is public resistance to tyranny. When it succeeds in pushing against the trends and forces the political reality back in the other direction, it appears like a pendulum. But the pendulum does not swing by itself, and waiting for it to swing is tantamount to abdicating citizenship.
Showmetheproof:
I just saw your posts and KEM PATRICK and abbywood try to answer you, but you seem to be fixated on what you call "facts" and "proof". However, your position (I have taught logic and analytical philosophy, but I am not trying to pull rank here) is called "solipsist" which means you consider yourself as the only reality and you do not believe in any other person's reality as "factual". Here I am being generous, because you may have learnt to argue incesantly with the mere words "facts" and "proof" without really knowing what you are talking about.
Whatever be the case, the way in which inferences are made by the Scientific Method, which most people here try to use more or less succesfully, is that empirical inferences (in your lingo - - "proofs") are made on a PATTERN of facts. The inference may not be the "next" fact in a series; it could be a theory about the pattern itself.
On the issue of whether or not Martial Law will or will not be imposed, we do not have a book published by Bushco and available on amazon.com titled: "How We Will Become Dictators in 2008"; and even if such a book were available, it would never satisfy a solipsist like you.
Most people here are making an inference on the following pattern:
1. Issuance of about 900 or more Presidential Directives that establish the entire set of prerorgatives of a "unitary" executive in total control of the country. Some have been exactly mentioned by David B August 1st, 2007 2:58 pm above.
2. Enabling laws passed by Congress that gives the Executive branch extraordinary powers to suspend the Constitution and declare Martial Law without approval by Congress.
Now if there was no intention to use these powers, nor is there any credible threat now (FDR in the middle of WWII against a far more dangerous enemy did not suspend the Constitution, and Churchill in Britain in the middle of the Nazi Blitz on London did not suspend Habeas Corpus), why would one ask for these powers?
Therefore the rational inference being made here by many posters is that if something "walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, then it is a duck".
Get it?
Aymon
If Monica pleased me like that Abby, It might kill me.
"Paul Bramscher July 31st, 2007 2:02 pm
It may be that Hillary's running is the theatrical equivalent, long and drawn out surrogate if you will, of a cancelled election..."
Bingo. Corpress has donated more to HRC than any other Dem since 2000. Having her on the ticket will be akin to having a gay marriage ban on the ticket. Radical regressives will be swarming to the polls and we'll lose Congressional seats, as well as the WH. No need for hacking machines, or disenfranchsing voters.
Showmetheproof...you were yelling...just a little. You can admit it, it's cool.
Here's the information regarding the Presidential Directive I believe Kem Patrick is referring to:
www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=5853
To back up what Professor Marjorie Cohn is saying, simply go to Google and type it in, or go to the White House Website and you'll find it.
As to the "impeachable" crimes (the ones the Constitutional scholars and some Congresspersons agree on) they can be found online at Google. Simply type in Kucinich's House Resolution 333 to impeach Cheney. That should give you a general idea what those elected Congresspersons believe are Constitutionally impeachable crimes.
This may not be an "impeachable" offense, but I would think since Bush took the oath "to protect and defend the Contstitution against all enemies both foreign and domestic SO HELP ME GOD", the fact that he blurted this out in a room full of mostly Republicans, "I don't want to hear about the Constitution! It's just a Goddamned piece of paper", that that might sneak in as at least a freakin' misdemeanor!
Certainly the war against and occupation of Iraq under the pretense of lying is right up there.
Torture? No habeus corpus? Both highly unconstitutional.
"Legal" sneak and peek of our homes without us being aware? Unconstitutional.
Considering that Clinton was brought up for impeachment for lying about a BLOW JOB!!! Nobody died! Hello!!
Our rights taken away, being lied to, our fellow Americans being dragged into a foreign entanglement that was based on lies. Then losing their one and only lives and killing thousands of others who they/we have no personal fight with. We are punishing the people of Iraq for the crime of living under a dictator?! Incredible.
I've seen the clip on video probably 20 times now. Bush is in a press conference and he's asked what Iraq had to do with September 11th, 2001. Bush's answer?
"Nothing!!"
I'm pretty sure the clip of him saying that is in this video:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6702050570069604257&hl=en
IMPEACH.
Davidrc3; I take it that is your opinion? Or do you have proof of what you just wrote, some inside info perhaps?
Well__ if you don't have proof, maybe you are the nut? Think about it, you disagree with others opinions and the person you disagree with is nuts. If one is a nut according to your estimation,___ which one is?
i think you guys are all nuts. every single night the greatest joy in W's life is crossing another day off the calendar.he can't get out of office soon enough. he cannot wait to dump his disaster on his democratic successor and begin blaming them for the loss. bill kristol has already started the party line, how when we withdraw we'll be snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. it won't matter that by the time it happens he will have alraedy been saying that for two years.
SHOWMETHEPROOF;___ I JUST YELLED YOUR NAME.
Whenever I write THIS WAY, some accuse me of yelling, it was a joke when I wrote it about your blog, but then my sense of humor is not the same as everyones. Maybe you have none? That is a question, BTW, not an assumption.
You need proof of the crimes GWB has committed? First, I read the Constitution again, three times this week. I won't print it here, but if you are not familiar with it by chance, you may wish to read it.
Our Constitution is the supreme law of the land. If not, there is no law in America.
Bush has authorized our government, to illegally invade our privacy, allowing monitoring of our telephone conversations, our e-mails and what books we check out at the library, without obtaining a warrant to do so.
Bush ordered some of his cabinet and or cabinet employees, to ignore congress when they were given legal orders to come forth as witnesses in cngressional investigations.
Bush deliberately lied about intelligence reports, concernig the involvment of Iraq and 9-11. That would have to be proven in an impeachment process, but there is enough evidence of that crime, to have the investigation. Read thE congressional Hr-333 bill, which will explain much of what I have written. I'm not going to write it all for you, if you are interested enough to answer me, you may be interested enought to look things up for yourself.
Bush has authorized the use of depleted uranium weaponry, which is a violation of the Geneva Conventions subject, of weapons of mass destruction. That also is a vioation of the Constitution, whereby, a president ignores the constitution by placing himself above the law. That enough? One is enugh tO have an impreachment process, but there is more.
As inteligent as you write, I'm certain you can look up the necessary facts and PROOF, without my assistance. If you are asking for an admission of guilt of any crimes from GWB as your only PROOF, why not go and ask him? Bush won't lie to you, he's a born again Chritian.
KEM PATRICK,
This is the problem. When you make a statement regarding something, you need to assume not everyone knows what you are talking about back it up with references. When you say: "... with the presidential directives GWB has written, the crimes he has un-questionably committed, in regards to several violations of our Constitution, the lies he told to the American public and to congress ...," you need to support these statements with FACTS and EVENTS documented. I have no idea which 'violations' and 'crimes' you are referring to and therefore have no way of understanding where you are coming from. Could I get some of these examples?
By the way, I wasn't yelling. Another assumption.
Showmetheproof__You don't have to yell, this is a friendly debate.
I have some doubts also, but with the presidential directives GWB has written, the crimes he has un-questionably committed, in regards to several violations of our Constitution, the lies he told to the American public and to congress, in order to have the approval and funding for the Gulf War, all add up to a president who is capable of anything.
I also understand, he is directly related to one of the primary plottes of the planned 1933 coup of President Roosevelt. Blood is thicker than water and shit runs down hill. Is GWB influenced in any way, by what his ancestors did, how they thought, their theories of how the world should be run?
I don't know, neither do you know the answer to that, but combined with all Bush has done in the past six years, the family association should not be brushed aside. People are convicted on circumstancial evidence, if there is enough of it. Proof is in the pudding,___right!
It (a Bush coup) is definitely a scary proposition and something that impeachment (now) would avert. I was for impeachment as early as 2003 and am even more in favor of it now.
the detention camps they mention are supposedly done under fema, under the Rex 84 program. Saying they are incase a mass exodus of people from mexico, that way they have somehwere to put them all, and incase of a Martial law instance for americans they have camps setup for holding. There is one in Beechgrove, Indiana an old amtrak Station fitted with 2 brand new big crematorium type furnaces and piping, wind sockets for helicopters, they have it setup in colored zones (green/yellow/red) and of course a concentration camp must, railroad tracks. They also have an Airforce train car, and an Army crane sitting there, there are videos on youtube about them, just go watch them for yourself and you will see what i mean.
This article is worthless. Not only is it JUST a conspiracy, it fails to source any references which aren't theories themselves (i.e. http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/february2006/010206detentioncamps.htm). If you click on the reference links, they are all links to another conspiracy infested article within that same website. For people to openly accept this article as the 'truth' really shows me how misinformed the American public is. Wouldn't it be GREAT if real life closely mimicked the Hollywood movies we see today (liberal with an attitude July 31st, 2007 2:45 pm)? From what I see, OSU gradstudent is the only one being reasonable here. For you to ask him to prove why he thinks GWB isn't going to leave office is ridiculous. It is YOU who should be PROVING to me why he WON'T be leaving office. This poor excuse for an article has left nothing but speculation from the uneducated authors who wrote it. If I don't see factual evidence, I'm not going to believe it, so for you to say I'm siding with the 'Coup' doesn't work. I don't get my information from the 'Coup' alone, hence me reading this article. I find the most FACTUAL, UNBIASED articles I can, from all sides, and see which one makes the better argument.
Again, referencing sj July 31st, 2007 6:37 pm,
"In 1933, Prescott Bush was involved in planning a coup to take down FDR's administration and replace it with a fascist regime….look at this link and all doubt as to what these thugs are up to will disappear…
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/history/document/document_20070723.shtml
No need to be a conspiracy theorist…it's all right there for anyone to read…."
For you to claim that GWB has any ties with this is ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS unless you can prove it. This is why what you're inferring is, IN FACT, a conspiracy.
Kem, the Yuma prison isn't on Hwy 10. If Jane's recollection is correct, the Yuma prison can't be what she saw.
Haven't you ever heard of the state prison near Yuma? It's been there since before Arizona was a state.
Grandma, the night before Nixon resigned, the Strategic Air Command went on full Defcon Two alert, from about 11pm EST to 5am. We had no idea of what was up, but we were as conerned as we were the last day of the Cuban Missile Crisis, and believe me, that day was a close to world war three as we have ever come. Actually, within ten minutes of Doomsday. Few know the whole story, it is most thought provoking, we almost did it.
I don't know of course if Nixon initiated the alert, but he did have the power to have the ICBMs launched, all he had to do was to order it. He may have lost it there for a while, Haig said Nixon was very unstable those last few days and had advised the top military brass of his opinions and the basis for them. Anyway, nothing bad happened. I wonder if you are thinking, something bad can happen, if we ever have a president who displays a personality of being a little wacko?
Yesterday, Jane Bright wrote:
"Regarding the detention centers there is one on Highway 10 driving east from California toward Phoenix on the Arizona side of the state line. The sign on the side of the road says "state prison," nothing else. The prison is way off the highway, just a group of brown buildings, no other signage to be seen. I've often considered driving toward the entrance just to check it out but I'm afraid I'll be detained, seriously."
Jane, I've done some research, and I believe what you're seeing there is the Lewis Arizona Prison Complex. It's huge and remote, located 43 miles west of Phoenix on Hwy 10. If, however, what you've seen is closer to the California state line on Hwy 10, I've found no reference to it as a recognized Arizona State Prison.
KEM PATRICK - Thanks for the clarification. In the interests of peace, I'll believe it!
Checking on something I read long ago -
That during the Watergate scandal, and while the VW War was still raging, Nixon wanted to suspend the next election (probably out of fear that he wouldn't win). Alexander Haig talked him out of it during a long afternoon in the WH. Does anyone know if this is true? Nixon had the power to do it, the War Powers Act gave him that right.
Anyone know if this is correct?
(If it is, "the more things change the more they stay the same.")
I edited those speelling erors and they didn edit.
Hi Pete, I was not offended by your remark, it was correct. I agree with much of what you write also, but a good definition of the term paranoia___ is reality. If we didn't have varied opinions, this site would not be here.
Hey Grandma. Haven't you heard ojf the Red Hatters? they are a bunch of nice older ladies who travel to all parts of the county and they all werar outragious bright red hats. they jst have a god time and smetimes tak about world affairsand enviromental issues. Tehy aren't really bafg ladies, they fly normally first class. Before i retires I haad a group of them on my limo tour bus, travellng the western U.S.. National parks. They were swell and great fun.
I know, it's near Interstate 8, but some of the Yuma prison property runs dowm near I-10 and it's sort of a warning to not pick up hitch hikers. Halliburton may have built a gulog there now. I don't know about that, but an article in the newspaper this week stated the money to build those prisons has not yet been approved by congress.__ We'll see.
After reading the article and most of the comments, all I can say is - I wish I had the tinfoil hat concession for this crowd.
I do think this site should get some kind of award for fiction, given its liberal (pun intended) use of blatantly false "facts".
Excellent comments by melody23: "We are, as always, protected by time and death from a true totalitarian state."
Time marches on. We live in dark times, but I am one who believes the pendulum will swing back the other way.
I also remember a similar theory going around during the Reagan Iran-Contra era, that Reagan/Bush had plans to declare martial law and suspend the constitution (they also had these totalitarian provisions in place). They never tried it though.
There is no question that Bush has put in place the laws (and "executive orders", etc.), that give him the power to try something like this. But I agree with the posters here who point out that this would only destabilize their grip on power. They already get away with almost anything they want. Why shake it up?
KEM PATRICK, sorry if I nitpicked that one comment out of your post. You made a very good point about the consequences of our food distibution system, in the event of another serious depression. Good post.
I appreciate sj's efforts to educate everyone here about a little known chapter of our history (the plot to overthrow our government in the 30's by Bush's granddad and others). But this also is not any kind of incontrovertable proof that Bush will try to do it in 2008, or that if he does he will get away with it. But it is definitely interesting and important information for people to be aware of.
To David B - I thought I already told you -google for them, they're all there.
KEM PATRICK - Thanks for your kind words. I am curious as to what a "red-hatted old bag lady" is? Is this some kind of code? Thing is, I never wear hats. But I'll admit it's getting tiresome, lugging my clunky old desktop around in a shopping bag.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSl1rWed0YI
Why are people continuing to discuss generalities at great length here, yet avoiding a discussion of exactly what Presidential Directive #51 and Executive Orders #13303, #13315, #13350, #13364, #13422, #13438 are?
I will try this a different way since my first attempt didn't work in explaining this apparently from reading the posts.
As I see it, the Bush Dictatorship would NOT need to cancel any so-called "election" **UNLESS** Bush and Cheney refuse to leave the White House in 2009.
Of course they would NOT need to cancel the "election" if the Bush Dictatorship has decided to turn their dictatorship over to the annointed one...that piece of trash Hillary and whoever she chooses.
One should keep in mind, however, that Cheney is a signatory to the Project For the New American Century (PNAC) document, which has been and is the blueprint of the illegitimate Bush regime for global empire building and world domination. And of course the "New Pearl Harbour" is mentioned on page 51 of PNAC. The "New Pearl Harbor" was on 9-11. But of course it wasn't an "inside job" you know, even though it's mentioned on page 51 of PNAC. Of course it was an inside job...their entire regime has been based on 9-11.
None of these other people running are signatories to PNAC. Perhaps that doesn't really mean anything since Hillary has already unofficially signed the damn thing with her "YES" votes for Bush. And of course she is pro-war, pro-corporate, pro-imperalistic. Well, that's PNAC.
But again, the only reason Cheney/Rove/Bush would cancel the election is if these particular particular two people refuse to leave rather than turn the dictatorship they have created over to two other dictators (Hillary and whats-it).
First, I must say that I think Bush/Cheney capable of anything. I do think they were behind 9/11, seeing as how Cheney signed off on a lot of discussion that included a necessary "Pearl Harbor-like" event to install fascism in this country.
That said, in reference to aymon's considered comments, we're not talking about "150 million reptilian humanoids that have not an ounce of compassion or soul in them". We're talking about 150 million individuals of varying levels of awareness, and of whom a great number are children. Among those children are net-surfing politically aware people, even if they are somewhat sleepwalking through life, as in your scenario. A few million more are elderly or disabled, where they've made their peace with death or are too weak/infirm to care. My grandparents grew more liberal as they got older, and they were fairly liberal to begin with.
We're actually talking of about 75 million able-bodied adult souls. There is a gradation of awareness even among these people. The true borderline or full-blown sociopaths only number about 25 million.
That said, when people employ the Nazi Germany metaphor (and the fall-in-line droid populace is almost always employing those ideas), we're talking about a different culture. The pedagogy of the time played into the hands of authoritarianism. Americans are taught from birth to resist and be suspicious of government of any kind. They may lockstep to be polite, but if the hammer started coming down, it would awaken more Americans than it would pacify. (That said, I'm not saying Americans are "better" than Germans ... no culture is "better" than another ... I'm saying we're different in this regard).
While I read and take very seriously conspiracy theory, I'm also the daughter of a right-wing conspiracy theorist who assured me that 1) Rockefeller was going to become President and 2) suspend the Constitution, and 3) we'd never have another election. Before he died, he said the same thing about Clinton.
I've just listened to tapes by Mae Brussell, who was no doubt quite paranoid but who still had a strong enough perceptual ability to determine that Bobby Kennedy was being set-up for assassination, even warning Rose Kennedy a few days before Bobby was murdered. Mae was absolutely certain that Nixon would suspend the Constitution and cancel elections ... and then that Reagan would.
Yes, I think the Bush family is a cancer on our country. Yes, I think they are part of a globalist coup against us. But I also know there are many decent people who are actual patriots working against them. I think, in the end, the true patriots fall together and block the takeover. I think this rupture in our government is a sign of this happening.
No, I don't think they will or can cancel the next election. I think even the most diehard Cheney-ite is still less sociopathic than the bossman and his coming lifespan, due to his health, is at best five to ten years.
We are, as always, protected by time and death from a true totalitarian state.
Good comment Roland
Pete, I stand corrected, I wrote, no one went hungry during the last depression. I should have wriiten, there were fewer Americans going hungry in the United States then, than there are now. As far as knowing how it was duriing the last depression?___ I was there.
Another depression? Maybe, and if so, it will be anarchy. The small farmers are gone___ and I stand by my other statements.
I told some of the people I play tennis with back in 2004, that there would not be an election in 2008. They said I was a "conspiracy nut", just like when I said Bush et. al., were compliant with 9/11. I think another such event will take place, martial law will be declared, and the elections suspended. The only thing which skews this thinking, is Hillary, whom Obama accurately refered to as "Bush Lite." God help us!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/history/document/document_20070723.shtml
I keep posting this because I don't think many of us have ever heard that there is a historical record that in 1933 Prescott Bush and other wealthy elites in the US (Du Pont, Firestone, Heinz (aha!), et al.) already tried to overthow the US government (FDR's admin) and install a Mussolini-like fascist regime. Remember these folks have loved fascism for decades...they've been trying (and are now succeeding) in gutting the social reforms of the New Deal.
This historical information makes all of Bush & Co's actions crystal clear--and you don't need a tinfoil hat to accept the truth of this very real conspiracy!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/history/document/document_20070723.shtml
Please, people, don't squander your energy on personal hobby horses. Squabbling among ourselves is exactly what the rulers are hoping for. Take every opportunity to unite rather than divide. As the bumper sticker says, "Speak your mind, even if your hands are trembling." We may all do a bit of trembling in coming months.
PJD: u are right, Ron Paul is a capitalist. And we cannot cure a nation with capitalism with more capitalism. We need socialism, not capitalism
"Ask Rep. Ron Paul to serve as President."
No, thank-you. We already suffer under far too much of his economic philosophy...
What to Do? Easy. Form a provisional government, Ask Rep. Ron Paul to serve as President. Form a new constitutional convention of the Several States, and decide what sort of nation we really are. If the federal government no longer accepts the constitution as the law of the land, then they do not represent us. They swore an oath to preserve and defend the constitution. If we the people judge them to have forsaken that oath then we must replace them, or this is not the Republic of the United States, but something else. The constitution is very clear on these points, as a document it leaves little to the imagination - and spells out in detail how to deal with a situation such as this. The question is do we have the courage to become personally involved in future of this nation.
Elections in the US have always been a charade anyway, so why not cancel them indefinitely? Historically, no candidate who didn't represent the interests of the ruling class has ever been able to be nominated, let alone win anything. Of course, there's always been the appearance of democracy, the appearance of a real choice between a Republican and a Democrat. A 15 yo. can prove there's no such thing as real choice. A 15 yo. can prove there's no difference between Tweedledees and Tweedledums.
Bush and his crime family will not cancel 08, why would they? They'll continue the charade, with lots of help from the accomplices, from the Gores and Kerrys who were able to help them so graciously in the past.
While I certainly agree with most of Fitrakis/Wasserman's analysis. The speculation that Bush would cancel the election seems a bit far-fetched to me. They don't have to cancel any election! The already coronated Hillary will continue 95% of his policies when she wins anyway.
I sure would like to have read what CITIZEN_A wrote though. Just because there are Orwellian laws against such "thoughtcrimes" doesn't mean we have to obey them.
I believe that some kind of, let's say, untimely demise of the world's sole superpower's president, while not concretely changing anything, would lead to mass planetary jubilation that _could_ be transformative.
dwatkins9 wrote: "Why are 'ninety million gun owners' dismissed so easily and cavalierly? An armed citizenry is a bulwark against tyranny."
Yea, right. The problem is that the "ninety million gun owners" do not constitute a "well regulated militia," which is what the Second Amendment *really* refers to.
I submit that those 90 million would easily be picked off in ones and twos once the Blackwater mercenaries come home. Perhaps battle-hardened veterans of Iraq won't take up arms against their fellow American, but you can bet those who are paid five times as much would.
Besides, what portion of this 90 million are thugs and mobsters -- future warlords, whose shifting loyalties would certainly be exploited at home as in Afghanistan? I think organized crime probably comes much closer to constituting a "well regulated militia" than do a bunch of individual, disorganized Second Amendment fans -- most of whom have never even read it, but who abuse it at the slightest mention of improving security against organized crime.
Also, I would hope that readers see RuthsHusband as a definite troll, despite his opening remark that he despises trolls. He makes fun of statements that are factually correct, decrying them as paranoid rants of the unhinged. And he can't even spell Nurse Ratchet properly. Pro-Bushie troll.
Great comments here. I especially like the comments from erma and from Sarah Connah. I like Sarah's handle too. Prophetic, in a bleakly comic way.
Fitzrakis and Wasserman are familiar with the sale of the Fed Govt to the corporate and wealthy interests of the rare few Americans. They are based in Ohio. They are aware of the Diebold scandal, as well as the "misplaced" ballots from the 2006 and 2004 elections. They know what's happening.
The Supreme Court GAVE the Presidency to GW Bush in 2000, via an opinion which was highly unConstitutional and improperly usurped the power of the Florida Supreme Court to determine the Florida election results. However, since Florida is governed by Jeb Bush, it's not all that likely that the result would have been too different even if the FL Supreme Court had decided the case. In either case, though, one should notice that Al Gore REFUSED TO CHALLENGE the US Supreme Court's decision. Remember, people, that the US Congress is a check on the power of the Supreme Court, and it can overturn a bad Supreme Court opinion via legislation. Al Gore had that chance in 2000. He didn't use it.
John Kerry is a Bonesman and is in on the scam. He's phenomenally rich, he's married to Teresa Heinz of the Pittsburgh Heinz family (ketchup, Heinz 57, lots of other food products and other diverse businesses). Kerry's candidacy in 2004 was a setup, a ruse, a red herring. It was to deliver the APPEARANCE of a choice. Kerry never challenged the vote chicanery.
The Executive Orders issued by Bush are somewhat legal, but the fact that they are arguably illegal in part or in whole is irrelevant. Every authority in the federal government is kowtowing to Bush-Cheney, so what matters is how things are working, not what theoretically or academically may be the case. And the way things are working is, we have a police state.
The Executive Order of 7/17/2007 is the formal start of the police state. Research it, people. It allows Mr Bush to confiscate all money and private property of any person he contends is "interfering with" the Iraq "project." The EO gives broad latitude on determining what is such "interference." This means Bush can shut down and render impotent any person or entity who dares to question him.
And he's already destroyed habeas corpus. Check out the Jose Padilla case to see what can happen to dissidents who "interfere with" the Iraq "project."
I believe Wasserman and Fitzrakis are right on point here. I believe that the Bush-Cheney Crime Syndicate will attack Iran very soon. In the wake of that attack they will declare a national security emergency due to the threat of "terrorism" blow-back from the invasion of Iran. Such an emergency can be used to declare martial law and force the clampdown. Under martial law, the Bush-Cheney Crime Syndicate will declare that elections are suspended until we have achieved adequate "national security."
The gulags being built to hold dissidents are being built by Halliburton! Dick Cheney is profiting so heavily off this Administration but most Americans believe his lying nonsense about having divested from his Halliburton stock. He didn't divest. He put it into a trust, where he simply can't access the profit increases until he is out of office. That's not divestment. He continues to profit off the "war".
Tell your friends. Tell your neighbors. WAKE PEOPLE UP! This can happen if we are not awake and aware. If we are not awake and aware, IT WILL HAPPEN.
Don't think it can't happen here. It already is happening. Mr Bush has his dictatorial powers in place. The only open question is, when will he use them.
Skeptical, you're onto something. And look at how politics has taken a back seat to popular culture (i hate that term). it's uncool, or nerdish to be involved or "informed" of politics and is now "akward" to discuss it in conversations-granted sometimes it makes even me feel uncomfortable. But the oligarchy has done a great job making it very unappealing for these next two generations, which im a part of, to involve themselves in politics and government.
Though I wonder how much of it is the feeling that 1- the government is disconnected, and I cannot influence government no matter how hard I try 2- the government serves corperate interests, and not the people, always has always will. 3-the rich always fuck over the poor, and use the media to brainwash people into thinking they're really trying to help etc.
I wonder how much of it is just a ravanous and despondent feeling. This shit has been happening all throughout history. Im a Roman Empire buff. Politics, wealth, society in general is dangerously similar to Rome. Just look at the imperial war in Iraq.
Am I the only one to notice just how many comments are made on this subject and Cindy Sheehan or Ralph Nader. The comments usually go into the 100's even if they include debates from rival("?") "opinionaters." This from an "apathetic public" I don't think so.
The author is correct, I have stated to my non common dreams reading friends that the cabal HAS TO STEAL ALL FUTURE ELECTIONS because they can not loose power now after all they have done. It is the way of dictatorships. They live in fear of "anything that moves"
I did not even read the article fully nor have I read all the comments, but I glimpsed a mention of 90 MILLION gun owners, doing something??? Have you never noticed just who those gun owners were and who THEY vote for.
Their guns were always to protect themselves from us (leftwingers who would introduce "world government") they wil be lining up to protect the "administration" from "internal threats."
Red white and blue flu all the way every day!!!!!
But that will only "precipitate" the introduction of the actions we are discussing here.
Great sucking sound of a nation going down the drain huh? More like the boiling frog analogy to me.
we are in VERY INTERESTING times and it ent going to be fun.
Somebody said this at 911 and I know The NAACP doesn't like me using the word but, to the cabal;"we are all niggers now."
love y'all
Would someone please explain how a signing statement or an executive order becomes the law of the land. If a bill has to pass through congress and then reach the prez desk how do his statements superceede the bill's intent. I don't understand how all the things the idiot does has any real legal basis.
His signing statements obviously reflect his arrogance but are they really legal?
stepfour: hahaha your analysis is naive. Remember that USA is an anarchy now, there is no law in this hell. Which means that any thing could happen :-)
Great idea. Cancel the 2008 elections! And while we're at it, we will declare the Democrat party illegal! Where can I sign up to help?
KEM PATRICK: Hi, how are you? Cool post yours !! Well you know what the problem of USA is? The problem of USA voters, and USA as a whole, is that most people are a-political, they hate politics. Only few americans are interested in politics (like us), but the majority doesn't, young america hates politics. And we have been educated and tought to live a totally private life away from political and public affairs, this poses a big problem now when political-activism is most needed. Even though USA has always been a dictatorship, at least it was a benevolent racist dictatorship. Now that dictatorship is a lot worse, even though US has always been a racist-system, an oligarchic system it was not so harsh, the persecution of blacks, muslims, poor people wasn't so harsh as now, and everybody felt ok, in this dictatorship. But -post 9-11, the US dictatorship turned into a hell-hole, into a big punishment, into a country that we would like to move out of. Not only the whole world hates USA, but even most americans are starting to despise the country they were born in, because of the fact that it is a hell hole. I mean if i had a couple of hundred thousand dollars, iw ould be the first one to move out of here to a more stable nation out there, one where i could breathe more peace and democracy than this jail.
what's really amazing is that some people really believe that here in the homeland nothing significant like Bush declaring martial law is ever really going to happen. No truly disturbing incident is going to disrupt our life style one fine indeterminate day to any inordinate degree. You know shopping and entertainment, and driving in our automobiles everywhere happy fred flintstone like, blah blah blah.
Events like Katrina were just an abstract anomaly, they don't happen to the most of us. Even though nearly anyone in particularly Louisiana could tell you way in advance. Just as on a world wide scale you have a pretty good idea of what kind of wind storm is probably going to happen next to some degree or another and it continues not pretty.
Life in the homeland, wine and roses, is all just going to morph peacefully into solar and wind power one fine day, and happy days will continue here again unabated, please stay tuned after the commercial break as to how. Perhaps. Let's continue to let these folks post here and try to nudge them away from that naiveté if at all possible.
I mean, some of us have arrived at an understanding of the crimes that were inflicted upon the native peoples who once flourished on this continent, because lo the day has arrived when we witness those crimes with our own eyes. And that comprehension has taken 200 or so years. For many of us, not for the truly compassionate. Were they any different then we are, was anyone facing sudden cataclysmic change?
Have we all become so detached from history (which I believe is one of the ruses being used here to pacify the population what with the expression, "the end of history") have we become so detached that we believe we are immune to the misfortunes of time? Will electricity and science really save us? Will our fantastic "system" of government save us from tyrants in the end, that the whole mess just sorts itself out? That there are individuals out there who bolstered by their own justifiable fears of self-preservation, no matter how psychotic and out of control these may appear to many of the humble readers here, these individuals are so mean spirited they will do whatever it takes, no matter what it costs, and no matter who perishes (except for themselves who have declared themselves the special chosen ones.) Make no doubt about it these folks are as smart in their own way as Chomsky is to us.
These have wandered the earth since time immemorial. Better to be at least partially prepared, because it will happen to you, and when you least expect it, and in some way you can't entirely foresee.
Aymon: I am sorry, but your analysis of the coming future scenario is racist. It is anti-white, not all whites are oppressors, or part of the US oppressive classes, there are a lot of white americans in the US left. Not all whites are capitalists, even though your analysis is right in some points, but not 100% correct. You are right, a large part of white america is fascist, and racist, but not the 100% of US white population
Hey, OSUgradstudent, I am someone who has read information about the way the elections were fixed, the suspension of habeus corpus, the rejection of the Geneva Conventions (on pseudo-intellectual grounds), the campaign against a free media and the deliberate efforts to fix it as a corporate media through the efforts of the FCC which no longer sees itself as the voice of the public and against my best judgements I have been forced to admit that these are not random or unrelated events.
I have been harboring fears that Bush won't yield the Whitehouse for about 6 months now and it is interesting to see them voiced and shared by so many here.
I am not going to claim to be a seer who "knew" the day Bush was elected that he "deserved" impeachment. I had misgivings but the destructiveness of his choices has exceeded my worst nightmares/day time imaginings. I think the fact that he was re-elected probably be-speaks a very efficient republican machine but also a disenfranchised electorate.
I keep hoping that the Democrats will arise on the behalf of the constitution but it seems a long shot.
So, OSUgradstudent, I don't know how long you've been reading or lurking at Commondreams.org. I don't know if you have read Palast, Chris Hedges, Jeremy Scahill, Bill Moyers, Robert Fisk, Seymour Hersh and some of the other folks who have been sounding the bells over the long haul and the short haul. And sometimes when I read far left writers I am struck by their narrow perspective just like when I listen to Limbaugh or O'Reilly. But Palast et al are not "all wrong". Their voices complement and create a cohesive whole picture.
In spite of Bush's patriotic lip service, he is a self serving president who constantly bows to his gods of riches and power. I believe his gutting of our democracy, if we do not create the energy to resist, will be the essence of the last paragraph of the history of the United States.
YOU may think that many of the posters here need to take some Valium and put their feet up. And not all of these people obviously see this issue from my exact perspective.
But they are not entirely wrong.
As someone immersed in academia, you KNOW that you learn by reading well-credited sources that look at any given issue from both sides. Do that. Apply those methods here.
It is my fondest hope that people who call themselves liberal or conservative will find a way to unite on this issue. I believe that there are people who call themselves conservative who also decry this president's actions. And because they are patriots first and republicans second, they are our natural allies.
Again, check out Bill Moyers Journal segment, Tough Talk on impeachment, : http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07132007/profile.html
This is a well-sourced and impressive display of people thinking not as conservative or liberal but as patriots.
Now I don't want you fine folks thinking I am a troll. I am not, and generally despise trolls. But I went to the trouble of registering on this site in the hope that some of you are reachable. My basic question is this:
Are you out of your freaking minds? How in the hell can you folks abandon common sense so readily and swallow the line of crap you have here? I mean conspiracy theories are one thing, we all believe in little green men and the flat earth conspiracy. But you are going beyond the pale when you think Bush is such an evil person (or really has the power) to cancel the election. What a bunch of losers! Sorry, there is no nice way to put it, but you guys are nuttier than a fruitcake.
Oh by the way,
dixie wrote (and it was a sane, intelligent question, so I think she is one of them), "I keep hearing about these concentration camps being built (by Haliburton), but does anyone know WHERE they are being built? If so, please post it. thanks."
They are in Kansas, dixie. In fact the entire state of Kansas is now a concentration camp. You haven't been there since the Evil Bush regime took over have you (well if you have, then it is Nebraska, or New Jersey)? No one has! It is now being filled up by invisible death squads flying invisible helicopters! No kidding! They were built by Halliburtin. Yeah, that's right, Halliburtin and Texaco...............
Nurse Krachett, more meds for everyone!
Bush's term ends on Jan. 20, 2009, whether there's an election or not. No election. No president. No Congress. No paychecks. No laws. No government.
Read this;
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=6281
and this(how the other side-- the 150 million whackos in America I mentioned in my first post above - - think):
http://michellemalkin.com/2007/07/30/which-of-these-is-a-crime-in-america/
Night all. Its late even for the west coast.
Peace
Aymon
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TreeFitz August 1st, 2007 1:32 am
It's all been over since the 2000 coup....
We have all sat by and allowed our country to be overtaken. How many demonstrations did you attend this year? How much money did you give to your beliefs?
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Well, this "we" (I) did not sit by and allow the country to be overtaken. I've been screaming about this stuff since 2000 only to be told to "get over it."
I've been to every major anti-war protest/demonstration here in San Francisco. Also I participated in the protest following the stolen 2000 "election" and was told by Repug relatives to "get over it...the election wasn't stolen."
Sigh.
Most of these politicians we are talking about are the scum of the earth as far as I'm concerned. In general, I have no regard or respect for most politicians today. I wouldn't give them a cent. Also, I don't have any $$ to give anybody to begin with and if I had some $$ to give, it wouldn't be to any of these politicians. Many of them are already millionaires and I just can't see the logic in sending my money to a millionaire politician. That doesn't make any sense to me although there are a lot of suckers out there who will do just that.
I remember when Bush Enabler John Kerry was campaigning. He was SELLING his bumper stickers on line. SELLING! I thought: if you want me to advertise your name on my bumper (if I had a vehicle) you'd have to pay me to do it. I'm not about to pay you for one of your bumper stickers. As much $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ as John Kerry has, he should have been giving the damn things away for free. He was a pathetic candidate, by the way...another Bush-Enabler.
The thing to remember about the military is that every member is sworn to "...defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign AND DOMESTIC." Only later does it mention following the orders of those appointed over them. So, if those appointed over the service members issue orders conflicting with the Constitution, service members are bound by oath NOT to obey.
If there is a usurper in the white house or ANY member of government that poses a threat to the constitution, then service members are obligated to act towards the removal of that person. Further, an enlistment contract ends at the specified date on the contract, but an enlistment oath never ends. All military veterans are still bound by their oath to the Constitution. This is an important point to remember if we ever need to confront US military being employed as "peacekeepers" within the U.S.
usrcjp. . . Gore and Kerry didn't let Bush get where he is. We did.
It's all been over since the 2000 coup.
Ever heard this one: if you drop a frog into boiling water, it will leap out and save itself. But place that frog in water and bring it to a boil, and the frog will allow itself to be boiled to death.
We have all sat by and allowed our country to be overtaken. How many demonstrations did you attend this year? How much money did you give to your beliefs?
The very dark people in charge are rushing to consolidate their power and we watch them do it and nothing happens.
And the is up with Congress? Are they frogs? Or are they us? Why the heck do they stand for by those executive signing statements and for Bush's open contempt for Congress' authority? How the heck did it take YEARS to begin hearings about what happened at Justice? Years and years. . . and they still don't know what to do. Oh, that's right, it was a Republican controlled Congress. . . . but over and over and over, we the people let congress cave . . . . we get the government we deserve, I fear.
I will not be surprised if Bush cancels the elections. But what I expect them to do is simply steal the next presidential election, keep the republicans in the white house and steal as many elections in congress as they can. And they can steal elections: we have all watched it happen.