I am so glad I stopped paying taxes and have largely opted out of the US economy. This is not on my conscience.

or China might be THINKING "bring it on".

As our president should have known, there is a difference between thinking it and saying it. Usually, when you say it, you will it to happen; whereas, when you think it, you recognize it as a possibility.

And of course, SCALE matters, so when someone like the President of the United States makes a foolish "Texas" statement like that, well then, we all know what has happened so far.

I think, the people of the US need to be the "ones" who ultimately "bring it on", so that we can reclaim this country.

Peace,
Ken Hausle

One thought on China calling its debts or refusing to do business with us if we attacked Iran (mentioned above): I don't see what incentive China would have to do that. Just like our economony is becoming dependent on Chinese suppliers, so is theirs increasingly dependent on American revenue. If anything, they would love us to attack Iran, as that would force us to become deeper in their debt, weakening our position relative to theirs. These wars are a huge drain on our national treasure, and I imagine economic powers elsewhere are happy to have us simultaneously (a) hurt our economic position and (b) turn the ire of the world's radicals against us.

The dollar is so weak now that American businesses and real estate are becoming tempting bargains for foreigners. China's probably saying, "bring it on!"

The article writes "They are also reluctant for Israel to carry out any strikes because the US would get the blame in the region anyway." And therefore, according to this "source," Cheney thinks the U.S. should do attack Iran on Israel's behalf.

This is absurd logic. It's "We'll just get blamed anyway, so we might as well do it." Think about it; it doesn't make any damn sense. What does make sense: Israel wants us to do it, so the White House is struggling to please its Israeli masters. My Commondreams friends, Israel is not our "proxy," our "surrogate," or our "ally." In terms of foreign policy, they are our masters, simply put.

Its amazing how the foreign policy of a great nation of 300 million people is dictated by a few million nation of Israel. The occupation of Iraq cost more than the joined denfence spending of China and Russia combined. This money of $700 billions could turn desert of the midle east into heaven and to heaven and have the entire Muslim world on our side for ever. Its crazy to have another war, its just insane.

Iran only thought that Jimmy Carter was a great satan!
George Bush and Dick Cheney are the great satans!
Save the US and Iran IMPEACH the greatest satan the Iranians will ever know.
Topcat43214

I was afraid you meant balls. That is the weakest link for a man. Ever get kicked there?

Ken--

You are right. My numbers were based on a report I remembered was very...how can I put this...wrong. I checked the CIA World Factbook and according to them, there are estimated to be at this moment 1.06 males for every female in China.

As for "growing a pair," I should be less derogatory and just say Congress needs to grow a pair of brain cells.

And you're right. I love just sitting here talking about this. We express our opinions, nobody kills each other or puts a trade embargo on somebody else because they have different ideas of the way things should be.

Now I realize how my parents and their generation must have felt back in 1938 -39: that sense of helplessness , of being overwhelmed by the sheer inevitability of a terrible and horrific war ,bearing down on them.Like a giant avalanche.

A war that was being rammed down all their throats by a depraved monster and his satanic cabal.

The similarities between the then and the now ,are chillingly and terrifyingly eerie : the monster ,and his satanic cabal .And hanging over the entire scene ,like a Sword of Damocles -the sheer inevitability of it all.

Could it also be that Americans ( and their Western stooges ) have far more in common with the Germanic people of the 1930s than most believe ( or like to believe).

I hope everyone (except perhaps a few) has a great day. It is good to communicate. Everyone sits at the table, everything is on the table, and People talk. Peace.

Later,
Ken Hausle
* I support HRes333 - Impeach the VP

If they think they are not going to step down, I want to know NOW. It is time to force their hand.

Furthermore, in my opinion, they are WAY overextended. They are vulnerable. Now is the time to change the course for the better.

Peace,
Ken Hausle

P.S. ARA Charleston, when you say "grows a pair" - I'm curious. A pair of what. Peaches? Plus, I think some of your data are dubious: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5953508 According to this article the ratio is 6 to 5, not what you quoted.

Wow, okay. A few things to go over here.

As a historian it is very easy for me to see history being repeated. Every single person shouting "impeach them now!" is not thinking this whole thing through. Let's imagine that the House actually grows a pair and forces the Senate to represent their constituents. They decide to impeach. The Senate decides to convict. If it even gets that far, do you honestly think Bush or Cheney will quietly step down? Really? REALLY? They are not leaving in 2008, folks. They are here to stay. They stole the 2000 election and have stayed in using fear tactics. As soon as they realize fear is no longer working, they'll use simple force. All the pro-war cowards who haven't joined the military will be the government's little home troops who rat us out (see the Confederate States of America's use of draft dodgers and people who could opt out of joining the military for rounding up deserters, or the Hitler Youth--surprisingly, the movie "Swing Kids" shows a very accurate portrayal of this). Mastershake is right, they're marking our IPs and finding out who we are now. Liberals have no place in a dictatorship. Do you think the military will rebel? Hell no. Emperor Cheney and Court Jester Bush will convince the troops that they are "with us or with the terrorists(aka the dissenting Americans)." They will back up this threat with promises of murder for the families of the troops, not getting their extra rations (yes it will come to that), or anything else that being in the military usually provides under a dictatorship. What's sad is that most Americans will still bend over backwards just so they don't have to risk death or imprisonment.

Remember last year when Condi went to eastern Asia to visit every country in that region, EXCEPT China? Or how last year our government offered Russia key nuclear secrets and billions of American dollars in return for letting us dump our nuclear waste in their vast unoccupied land and for a promise of future help against Iran (which I am suspicious really means help against China...)? What about peak oil? Anybody considered the resource war that will erupt within the next 10 years? Remember that country China with 1.3 billion people, 2/3 of which are male? Where is that 1/3 of single men going to get their women from? Unless they institute massive polyandry, I'm troubled to think of where they'll try to find wives. And don't forget that they have a million-man standing army trained to hate America.

As a South Carolinian I am ashamed to call Lindsey Graham my senator, and his junior camper partner Jim DeMint (who said single mothers and homosexuals should not be allowed to teach in our schools). When Lindsey Graham was the commencement speaker last December at the winter graduation of the College of Charleston, he spent the ENTIRE time defending the war in Iraq.

Even though John Titor didn't really exist, whoever was posting under his name was right in that 2008 will be "a general date by which time everyone will realize the world they thought they were living in was over."

Several interesting messages here as well as some relevant history.

peaceman: I think the hippies were definitely on to something, but in hindsight I think it is fair to say that some of the "lovemaking" that happened before, just ended up creating confusion, conflict, resentment, backlash, and diminishment of many good & wonderful ideas. And then, speaking generally and simplistically, many of the once free thinking baby boomers ended up making the "monster" they revolted against as youth even bigger and badder.

Perhaps a better slogan for these times would be: "make peace, not war"

Peace,
Ken Hausle
* I support HRes333 - Impeach VP
** the time is NOW

To mastershake;

You may have misunderstood me. The French and the Germans are not wimps, neither before or after 2003. They have both been couragous in battle over the centuries. If anything, they are more intelligent for not swallowing the " bait ", and invading Iraq.

Paul Craig Roberts said it was Hitler's hubris, to attack the Soviet Union. I think Adolf really believed the Wermacht to be invincible, and, like Bush jr., was delusional.
The Battle of Stalingrad was the first big loss for the German Army, and the turning point in the war. General Von Paulus ( forgive me if I misspelled his name ) repeatedly sent messages back to Hitler that his troops were being slaughtered and could not defeat the Red Army and requested a withdrawal from Stalingrad, but the "exalted master racer" ( who hated everybody-including the German people that he terrorized ) told the poor general NOT TO CUT AND RUN ( remember that one, folks? ), but to STAY THE COURSE until the last bullet has been fired and the the last "Aryan Superman" is killed. After approximately 400,000 casualties, Von Paulus flew the white flag and with about 90,000 men left in his command, surrendered. After the war, only 6,000 Germans were released from the Soviet Union and sent home.

To PaulMagillSmith;

Thanks for the contribution. You said it well. By no means were the Russians angels. Both Hitler and Stalin had a secret pact to slice up Poland down the middle. All for what?

In my own travels on three continents, I have come to the conclusion that it is easier to make friends by treating people with respect and decency in dealing with them. You'll have the diehards that despise people for various reasons, but the overwhelming majority of men and women prefer to be nice and cheerful as opposed to being hostile and gloomy. Case in point? Look up the CHRISTMAS TRUCE of 1914. It validates what you say, Paul.

As for government? I prefer democratic anarchy. Emma Goldman is my hero. The ruling class system around the globe has, for the most part, been disasterous for many, profitable for a few. The Apache Indians of the southwest were very democratic. Not like the movie versions.

To tell you all the truth, I'm sick of politics and the slime in both parties in D.C. But, as another one of my heros, the late great, George Seldes said, " NEVER TIRE OF PROTESTING ", which is the title of one of his books, published in 1968. He was a Grand Man!

How about another " sexual revolution ", instead? The hippies were right. " make love, not war! "
Goodnight, brothers and sisters. Pleasant dreams.

You guys lost me a little with the theories of economics and stuff, I failed the theory of economics years ago. but I do believe this. If for ANY reason we attack Iran, our ass will be grass and China will be the grim reaper.

They will know we have lost our marbles and will cash in their chips and suffer the short term losses and get them back after our depression ends, Mexico has their Southwest back and the United States is history.

The Chinese are very patient and we all know it. They can dump capitilism for a few years and sit and wait for the smoke to clear. They will have ample food and if some should starve, they will be able to handle that with no problem at all.

The bottom line is, if we go after Iran, we have shot ourslves in the face and Cheney won't give a rip because he's used to it. He don't like anybody, not even himself, so he'll do it if we and our miltiary allow it.

Right now and for the short term future, Nancy Pelosi is the key.

RE: libertas fugit July 17th, 2007 9:58 pm

"Just got to thinking. What could easily stop all this madness is if China just called in its notes and said "No more spare parts, airplane assemblies, security chips, etc., until we get ca$h on the barrel head."

***I really don't see that happening for several reasons:

1) It would thoroughly piss off American(s) to the point, possibly just for survival, to reclaim our manufacturing base lost through outsourcing of jobs to places like China & India. They would lose their markets, and the Chinese are Capitalistic now.

2) It could certainly cause a world economic collapse & depression, causing hardships for hundreds of millions (or billions) of people.

This, I believe, is why no nuclear device has wiped out NYC & DC. A sensible person doesn't shoot themselves in their own foot.

Then again, religious zealotry, especially fundamentalism of ANY religion, knows not rational boundries of real morality, conscience, or common sense, so any foolishness is likely to happen.

Consequently, since I only live about 100 miles from DC, I'm glad my brothers invented the device I have with me at all times. See: www.nukalert.com ***

libertas fugit:

"Just got to thinking. What could easily stop all this madness is if China just called in its notes and said "No more spare parts, airplane assemblies, security chips, etc., until we get ca$h on the barrel head."

I know you meant that to be an irony, but it has very important, some might say ugly, reality burried in it.

China won't because the American Military Industrial Complex has co-opted the Chinese MIC (which is the largest capitalist-industrialist in China) with about a $250 billion trade deficit and 10 million outsourced jobs in favour of China.

China will act only if the neo-cons are crazy enough to take over the oil-flields of Iraq, Iran and next, Venezuela,to economically blackmail China by an energy monopoly.

The fortunate thing is that China's MIC is beginning to see that the neo-cons suicidal allegiance to Israel above all else has made American foreign policy crazy and unpredictable. That is why it,and Russia for different reasons, have drawn a "red" line in the sand in Iran

Aymon

Just got to thinking. What could easily stop all this madness is if China just called in its notes and said "No more spare parts, airplane assemblies, security chips, etc., until we get ca$h on the barrel head.

We would quickly find ourselves in the same shape as Iraq was, when they got embargoed, or as Egypt was. No spare parts, no new weapons or armor, all of a sudden, the boom boom, she would stop!

As Saddam found out, it is hard to fight a war with ten year old, worn out equipment and old ammo. Not to mention demoralized troops.

Mastershake--

Now let's not perpetuate fear of hypothetical phantoms, lest we censor ourselves and make their job even easier.

In terms of concentration camps, I've roadtripped the US and Canada many times. I've got faith in my fellow North American, and there are many beautiful, remote, and unreachable places on this continent that there's little reason to worry. In any case, the firing up of the chambers would galvanize both Left and Right to the same side -- and maybe split the fundies and military apart as well.

Threat of concentration camps at this point is little more than a demoralizing tactic.

False flag? You're probably correct there, however.

Paul Magill Smith and Evelyn Smith:

Your blogs on the economic catastrophe America is facing, in addition to other catastrophes over the next 10 years if it remains on its present course, are very informative.

I wrote about the economy and fiat money extensively on this website about 10 days or so ago. I am glad that you both have revived this issue, which should be in the forefront of future discusions, hopefully with a lead article focused on it.

Economic fear may likely get the impeachment process started much sooner by waking up the public much faster than anything else.

One important point on the concept of "fiat" money versus "gold" money:

FIAT money requires a FIAT issuer and a FIAT enforcer but gold money,or any other "REAL" money, as economists call it,does not.

Figure that into the equation for American military power.

Aymon

Rummy and Coni will take turns while Nancy reads the script.

What would happen if we DID impeach Dick "Tater" Cheney?

Who would operate lil' G's mouth and pull his strings?

(serious question)

The REAL question is

After the next false flag operation, which is probably imminent, how much time do you think us commondreams and liberal bloggers/posters have before the government not only shuts down this site, but traces all of our IP's (which they probably already have on a database) and throws us into prisons (concentration camps), brands us as traitors, charges us with sedition and treason (but we'll be imprisoned months before we're charges with a crime), tortures us, and publically ruins our lives?

We wont' even get a trial, we'll be dubbed enemy combatents. Our spacebar keys and optical mouses can really incite some violence, haha.

Good one Evelyn. And the check is in the mail.

If, as Einstein said and I firmly believe, "You cannot simultaneously prevent and prepare for war.", then it sounds like the growth of the military, congressional, industrial complex may be about to fulfill its destiny. All this while America stays busy playing with SUVs and IPhones. Sad.

I read the article about the Bush family owning land in Paraguy.

It is a myth, only a false rumor. Bush does not own any land there.

The reason given that it is a lie? The "White House" and Bush____ deny it. They say is isn't so. Well, if the president says it isn't so,___ it isn't so. Christians don't lie, it's a sin.___ So there you go, case closed.

There are lots of myths. Bears poop in the woods, cats lick their ass, a pig's ass is pork and Cheney is a bad man.

jpds44: The USA is already bankrupt. Reference P.M. Smith's post above at 1:17 A.M. today.

gem: I have googled the Paraguay/Bush connection and there was no specific proof that The W owns land in Paraguay. However, very interesting about the large aircraft capability of the long runway on GHWB's land there. Still, no real proof of any land ownership by either of them.

On the senator issue, my only contention is that if we punish every ignorant person in congress for listening to their constituents and the 'wag the dog' lies of the P and VP of the USA, we won't have anyone left to vote for impeachment. I never meant to imply that I support their votes for going to war, nor that I bought into the whole WMD in Iraq issue. I just believe than punishment by hindsight is not the right thing to do now for the USA. They may be ignorant, but they are the only congress we have until the next elections. (IF there are elections and The W hasn't declared Marshal Law...)

siouxrose: I heard Scott Ritter's assessment of WMD in Iraq. My first reaction to The W's shock and awe was that his only purpose was to avenge his father's failures in the Gulf War. Ever the black sheep son, trying to atone so daddy will give him a modicum of respect. After all, using his brother to steal the presidency failed.

I never bought into all that and, in fact. have been referring to the Iraq war as The W's ability to play G.I. Joe with real human action figures since it bagan. Real bombs. Real bullets. Too bad The W and The C weren't more into chess.

Oh, nevermind. That would imply that more than one of them has some gray matter.

et al: I've been posting my beliefs on this website since they started the ability to blog. Here's a recap: I suspected the 9/11 crashes were all 'wag the dog' plans so The W could justify his war on terror (read: war to eliminate Hussein, grab the oil and run). However, a friend who works in the skyscraper building industry (he's an architect) assured me that I was totally wrong about the implosions looking more like a controlled destruction than damage from those aircraft. My friend has since recanted, and rebelled against The W, even switching party affiliation to Dem. (1 down, millions to go.)

When the hunt for bin Laden ended (again, I'm reminded of the W's handshake scene with King Abdullah in Michael Moore's Farenheit 911), I was pretty sure the War on Terror was the War for Oil.

Case in point: Since we know exactly where al-Quaeda's training camps are along the border of Afghanistan and Pakistan, why aren't we shocking and awing them before they can suicide bomb our troops in Iraq? Puh-lease!

With the impending probability that Iran is The W's next target, I believe this is about more than oil. And I'm not sure it's power or world domination. (Most of the people in the world, excepting the bankrupt citizens of the bankrupt USA, fully understand that we are running out of power. China owns us. And China is so overcrowded these days...)

My greatest wish is that more of us would get more loyal Bushies to check out this website with an open mind and, difficult as it may be, arrive at their own realization that way too many U.S. citizens are still willing to be duped by a president and vice president whose goal is to profit from the destruction of all that the U.S.A.'s founding fathers stood for.

Impeachment takes a long time. For those of us who believe the hourglass has nearly run out, how about coming up with something LOUDER and more URGENT.

I have altered my suspicion that the next attack on U.S. soil would be next summer, when all the major Democrat Party players will be in one city, and await the breaking news about the castastrophic event in L.A. or Chicago. Maybe Dallas/Ft. Worth (more credibility for The W - who'd believe he'd destroy his own backyard?!) Or Washington when Congress is in session and The W is out of town. Or YOUR CITY.

*End of Rant*

Okay folks, the headline on YAHOO right now is "What to do about cellulite" I kid you not....
Yup, there will be another false flag event and just like 9/11 they'll immediately know whodunit. Amazing how clever they are to solve these immense crimes within minutes! WOW! The reality is, bin Laden isn't even WANTED by the FBI for 9/11 crimes due to lack of evidence:
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/terrorists/terbinladen.htm
Why can't people who know the Bush administration has lied about SO MANY critical things with deadly consequences face the fact that they are also lying about 9/11?
It worked once and they will do it again.

as bad as cheney-bush are, they are not ultimately the problem. it is really irrelevant what psychological category (insane/narcissistic/dry drunk/etc.) you want to put them into, as they are part & parcel of a SYSTEM that is threatening the life of our planet. Cheney is pushing W.? Sure, but what is Congress doing to stop it, in any way? NOTHING. what is the role of the MSM in all this? willing dupes and enablers. we saw this all before in iraq, and there is a whole SYSTEM (military-industrial-congressional-media-petroceutical, whatever you want to call it) enabling this; there's not a couple of people to blame.

impeach & prosecute the system while you are it.

Good points Paul, hope we can work on those when we get Cheney out of office. Right now, as Ken has been screaming at us, "time is of the essence". And Ken is right about that. I wonder though, if Cheney is nothin? He is god isn't he.

Didn't want to capitalize the "G" for him. He's a demi-god and Bush is too stupid to know the difference.

Cheney is a fuckhead. He needs to face the ultimate judgement. NOW !

Places everyone! Fox (faux) News, you'll sing the lead in the opening act.
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Threats to the Homeland

The U.S. face a 'persistent and evolving' terrorist threat in the next three years, as Al Qaeda bolsters its efforts to plant terror plotters in the country, according to the latest National Intelligence Estimate out Tuesday
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CNN you're the chorus. Begin!
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WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Al Qaeda will try to tap its allies and resources in Iraq in its efforts to exact another terrorist attack on U.S. soil, according to a top government intelligence report released Tuesday.
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ABC. 2nd harmony. Begin!
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The United States will face a "persistent and evolving" terrorist threat in the next three years, as al-Qaida bolsters its efforts to plant terror plotters in the country and other related activities, according to a new National Intelligence Estimate to be made public Tuesday.

Several of the nation's top intelligence officials including National Intelligence Council Chairman Thomas Fingar and FBI Deputy Director John Pistole were to brief reporters on the declassified key findings of the document, which was years in the making.

Great and a big finish for the final curtain! Thank you. Thank you.

Please shred all programs and related documents as you exit the theater.

We probably all agree that the world would be safer without nukes in the hands of theocrats, whichever of the three middle-eastern/patriarchal/eschatological religions they follow (Judaism, Islam or Christianity).

Unilateral disarmament, leading by example, and separation of church and state seem to be reasonable approaches.

Economics Truck,

What are you talking about? Even if I understood, I don't think I like your approach. Can you be a bit more clear in what you are saying?

I don't care if Bush thinks he is talking to a one-eyed Goddess. I do know that whatever voice Cheney was speaking in, I would choose not to listen. Cheney, ain't nothing.

And like I alluded to earlier, when an offender overextends, this is the time to defend with vengeance.

Peace,
* I support HRes333 - Impeach the VP
** time is of the essence **

Well folks, it looks like all of your 'news' networks are properly on message.

Al Q has apparently been grabbing the angriest, most desperate with nothing left to lose from Iraq and is set to take a crack at your nice secure homeland again.

Here comes your pretext event, soon to be tied to Iran through 'solid intelligence' and thus justifying a third of your navy and 80% of your bomber capacity to retaliate with nuclear ordinance.

Ready? Here we go....

I think Hitler's Barberossa is considered, by many historians, as the biggest Military blunder in the history of mankind. if it wasn't for that, we might all be speaking german right now.

Napolean also tried the same thing, and it led to the downfall of the french empire.

The good news is that every story like this drives another nail into the coffin of the Republican Party.

Thank you Siouxrose. Actually we do pray every day, twice a day. My wife prays for good and for our children and for everone. Like you, She is very sincere about it.

I pray that Cheney will be struck by lightening.

Kelly prays that we have chicken for dinner.

Don't start Ron. I just started to like you.

I remember feeling akin to the Russian people pre 90s in that we were both being controlled by our governments.

The Russians were on their home turf when the Nazis invaded that winter. I guess Adolph decided the competition had to go and so threw everything at their army. We don't read about that in our history books. What a bloody-muddy mess that was. But, it put the hurts on Germany's power lest we would of used the bomb in Europe.

RE: mastershake July 17th, 2007 10:43 am

"Two posters Evelyn Smith, and Paul Smith (any relation)."

***Actually Evelyn (real name Kem/Chris and male) & I met through Common Dreams & Truthdig blogs. He lives in Arizona and I'm in Richmond, VA.

He was concerned about plutonium, and I about DU (depleted uranium). Now we are both concerned about the long-term devastating effects of DU, and the impending collapse of the dollar as 'fiat' currency.

I've long had the same visions of the anarchy that would follow scenarios such as oil running out quickly from supply being interupted due to complete turmoil in portions of the world, and/or some sort of nuclear exchange from the larger better armed powers. Although Mad Maxx (the movie) is fiction at the moment, some scenes could become reality very quickly.***

RE: peaceman July 17th, 2007 10:58 am

"Yes, we (the former Soviet Union) lost more people than any other country on Earth, but (Edit) we annihilated the Nazi menace, and how quickly your country turned against us after World War Two."

***It's nice to have a 'Ruskie' on our blogs to add a different perspective, so stick around, ok?

Although I appreciate the sacrifices made by the Russian people during WWII I have to set part of the record straight.

When Hitler created the 'false flag' war by attacking Poland, in response to a fictitious attack by Poland across the German border (actually German troops dressed in Polish uniforms), Russia invaded Poland from the east and they split the country between them. Russia also provided war materials and other resources to the Nazis up until Hitler invaded Russia, so in effect Russia shot themselves in their own foot by climbing in bed with snakes. (now do you understand the distrust?)

I just hope the price paid by your people (through the actions of your government) will not be superceded by the price the American people will pay (again through actions of a government intent on world domination), by attacking Iran, especially if more robust nuclear weapons than DU are used.

Many Americans, myself included, never bought into the fearmongering our government tried to instill in us designed to have us view Russians as our enemies. The better informed realized while our governments might be wrangling with each other in a power struggle, the peoples of our two countries were very similar, that in the fact our governments viewed all us 'little' people as little more than a constant supply of cannon fodder to be used for the governments' purposes then discarded. Both governments have shown contempt for the will of the 'masses', and that the citizens of both countries would rather have peaceful prosperous lives locally, than dominate other communities internationally. The politicos & military have worked tirelessly to thwart the dreams of our citizens, but we (as citizens) must share part of the blame because we haven't mustered the courage to say NO, and stop funding them.

Has anyone studied the readings & prophecies of Edgar Cayce? Very interesting, and even more so since he predicted a conflict between Russia & Israel, AND that it would happen in the early part of the 21st century. I should add here that Cayce died in the mid-forties of the last century.

I think I might go Google...Cayce, Russia, Israel, war..., and see what I can find.
pmsinva2@hotmail.com

Cheney wants to bankrupt the united states government. The american soldier will do their dirty work and they will reap huge profits. It's hard to believe that Bush and Cheney don't believe in government when they are using it to make themselves grossly wealthy.

Things will change soon.

Israel's Likud + Big Oil = Attack on Iran. All the other reasons are simply pretexts. This is sheer madness. America, impeach these thugs! Sadly, the Democrats will simply roll over --- and the Bush cabal knows it.

According to David Corn, Cheney was the one that basically camped out at the Pentagon twisting arms until he got the manipulated intel he wanted to invade Iraq. And now he wants us to bomb Iran, despite the fact that Iran has reached an agreement with UN inspections? Let's start another war-quagmire?

Cheney needs to be impeached MORE THAN BUSH. He is the real president weilding the real power. Bush is only the name recognition guy out front bearing the brunt of the criticism while this evil SOB is the direct link to the Bush administration employers. And I don't mean the American people that voted for him, I mean the military industrial complex corporations that provided the GOB billions of dollars to take over Washington DC.

This is the guy that asked for deferment from Vietnam 5 times before it was granted. His stock holdings are making him rich from the Iraq War while no one in his extended family has ever been on active duty in the Mideast. There is no finer example of our new breed of Chickensh*t Hawks. And if Iran is bombed, our troops in the Mideast would be the first to be put at direct risk, not Cheney. When there is a direct threat to the white house, he is whisked away by Secret Service agents in a luxury, bullet proof SUV to a special bunker that is probably providing mansion style accommodations (hot tub, huge high def TV, wet bar, etc...).

The troops are OUR relatives and Cheney's stand in casualties. We need to uncork modern Dr Stangelove out from the shroud of White House secrecy within which he has been operating.

kind of like Hitler telling Chamberlain to relax, he would never do anything like that

if they carry out what they say they want to do and wipe Israel off the map - Listen to the Christian talk show hosts urging a preemptive nuclear bombing of any country that defies us. Who's calling for who's destruction here?!!

Iran has been more of a friend to us than not, we have no reason to believe they would want to use nukes. Forget the saber rattling! Saying and doing are not related!

Any country in that region is correct to have nuclear ambitions. With a U.S. backed and nuclear armed Israel in the neighborhood, you had better be ready to match firepower or be at the mercy of interests that run actively against your own nation's interests.

Iran's nuclear ambitions are evidence that Iran has an effective and rational government, not the opposite. Cooperation with the US has been shown to be disastrous for Latin American countries. Why should Iran think it would be any different in the Middle East?

All good, BUT, what if Iran does develop nuclear weapons and what if they carry out what they say they want to do and wipe Israel off the map and in doing so cause not only their own destruction, but who knows who else

Yes to the latter. They've caused more regional instability than they've solved, and -- like physics, nature, forms in general -- government change (including our own). So just as a "new" Congress came to power with preexisting baggage, a new Executive (whichever corporate party it answers to) must also botch up someone's botched-from-the-get-go foreign policy disasters.

Progressives must examine Shrub's foreign policy escapades as consistent with his domestic policies, and lack thereof. Pillage & burn. The only reason we see it outwardly worse in Iraq is that he's got fewer laws abroad to worry about. He'd most likely be doing the same here if he could.

This sounds like Cheney/Bush, backers against Rice, Gates and a big chunk of advisors. Don't forget the media mouthpiece, Mr. Cronin, who set the mood for the conflict.

Mr. Cronin said,

"The red line is not in Iran. The red line is in Israel. If Israel is adamant it will attack, the US will have to take decisive action," - I read there is acceptance for a pre-emptive bombing by Israel. We know that will drag us into a nuclear war but that's O.K. we need to get the ball rolling somehow. Iran on the other hand is seen as stupid enough to attack a nuclear power with conventional weapons maybe in a few years nukes; so Cheney is excited to see that they get to do the "job".

"The choices are: tell Israel no, let Israel do the job, or do the job yourself."

Tell Israel no?- Can we do that? I mean legally, do we have the right to tell Israel what to do? Lol

Let Israel do the job- Just like the 6-day war, we can pretend that it's out of our hands until it's time to come to the rescue of poor Israel.

do the job yourself-First it's a job to be done in their minds, and you keep your nose to the grindstone to get a job done. Second, we just need a REASON, just one little reason to justify bombing Iran. Of course that will make them like us and we won't need to occupy their country to make sure they don't "elect" an extremist Muslim.

Is Cheney/Bush going to start this important task at the end of their term, and then turn it over to another administration to botch up? What do you think?

haha. Basically what you mean is Russia aren't wimps like the French and Germans (before the Iraq invasion in 03).

Brothers ans sisters, I'll add my two cents to this conversation and see if it makes sense to anyone.

Mr. Putin tells Bush, and the Un-United Nations, that Russia has a lot of investments in the soverign nation of Iran, and that if the United States and Israel attack Iran, or even if Israel doesn't participate, then Russia will destroy Israel, and if you launch your weapons of mass destruction against us, we will counter-attack, destroying the United States and making this planet inhabitable. Remember, Mr. Cheney and Mr. Bush, Hitler may have conquered western Europe ( for a little while ), but when he launched " Operation Barbarossa ", the Red Army shortened the " Thousand Year Reich " by about 988 years. Yes, we ( the former Soviet Union ) lost more people than any other country on Earth, be we annihilated the Nazi menace, and how quickly your country turned against us after World War Two.

So, before you con the ignorant American public into murdering the citizens in Iran, ask the citizens in the Beverly Hills/ Hollywood area if they would like a hydrogen bomb detonating in their neighborhood in retailiation?

Russia has done her part after the " cold war " ended, but the United States is on a crazed mission to conquer the world, and you have bankrupted your country for the American War machine. We have no choice but to increase our military expenditures in order to protect Mother Russia from the United States. Shame on the American people for their indifference to other people on the planet. We've done some bad things in the past ourselves, but learned from experience.

Stop being the bully on the block, Mr. Bush. Don't let AIPAC start WW3. If you think the German's were " hard " on the detainees at the slave-labor camps, you haven't seen anything . I hope war is avoided. It's up to you.

Two posters Evelyn Smith, and Paul Smith (any relation). Quite simply as i've been saying all along, terrorists or threats abroad won't destory this country. This country will destory itself.

If another "terrorist" attack occurs, kiss the country bye bye, not from the attack, but from the governments belligerent hysterical (actually planned) reaction, and due to the publics paranoid and timid apathy.

But I can always hope that we, as a public at least, keep our heads when the great depression and collapse of America occurs within the next year or so, and we don't tear ourselves apart.

I enjoy reading all the predictions, but I believe that in a world of unbounded complexity, with innumerable variables interacting in innumerable ways, none of us can really predict very precisely what the outcome of an attack on Iran will be. Of course it does not matter much that we cannot predict it, but the tragedy is that those in power, Cheney and his criminal accomplices, cannot predict it either and yet they think they can. They already opened up one Pandora's box in Iraq and now they want to open a bigger one in Iran. I guess that is what happens when you let businessmen who have no understanding of history, philosophy, science, or mathematics make decisions impacting us all. It will be something like electroshock therapy to the world -- give it a jolt and mix everything up just hoping that by some miracle it comes out for the better. Winning Mega Lotto would be more likely.

But I think one can rather safely predict a dark future for the US and those who live here. We better hold onto our butts, because it looks like it is going to be a bumpy ride.

To Linda Sutton:

Thank you so much for putting out all the fax numbers of the House Judiciary Committee Members. Although my Rep. is Jane Harman from the 36th in L.A. (I emailed her and she never responded), I've decided to send a fax to Robert Wexler, Shelia Jackson Lee, Maxine Waters and John Conyers Jr., who I believe is the Chairman of the committee. I will also fax them the article mentioned below.

Please read it and pass it on:

http://rense.com/general77/chedn.htm

I have my family here in CT from California for "vacation". We're supposed to go to the beach and have a picnic, and all I can think about is the political danger lurking in D.C. I weep for my country and pray for those who are representing us to find the courage in their hearts, souls and minds to do the right thing for the Constitution. We are in a Constitutional crisis NOW. How can all of us have more conscience and courage than our representatives? The power of power and money is criminally corrupting our future.

Suggestion: We should DRAFT someone to run for President who DOESN'T WANT TO!!! LIKE BILL MOYERS OR SCOTT RITTER. SOMEONE WE TRUST WHO IS INDEPENDENT FROM THE REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS WHO WILL SPEAK THE TRUTH!!!! ANY IDEAS???

SAILA: thanks for the literary compliment. As per "the chosen" think of the spectrum: there are diverse colors but taken together, they form white light. I believe that EACH people is chosen for their elected higher purpose, and together, if acting in harmony, the separate 'emanations' fulfill their intended function within the LIGHT that is all (or what many call "God").
SKYWRITER: Scott Ritter made it painfully clear that there were no WMD left in Iraq. BUSH'S record in Texas was as ugly as ugly gets. I think you're giving the illuminati a free pass as to what was knowable and therefore understood. They went along with the patriotic bull shit that vengeance (against a sovereign land that just happened to sit on oil) was equivalent to a pursuit of justice. Look how quickly Bin Laden was left by the wayside, so that the real aims could be pursued.
PAUL MAGIL SMITH: Excellent points.
EVELYN SMITH: Good breakdown of probable events, and yet as we stare into this possibility... its grave implications are almost too much to bear. Sometimes patients with incurable diseases (to the ostensible gurus of modern medicine) recover miraculously. Sometimes prayers work. Apart from our protests and writing to congresspeople, it's a good time to PRAY... the US needs deliverance, and some pre-empting of its martial urges before it sets this calamitous destiny into motion. When a car is reeling out of control it has options... besides rushing into incoming traffic.

I feel like I've had enough, its just too damn depressing living in this country anymore...if you could move anywhere in the world to live in peach & harmony, where would you go and why?

Skywalker: actually there were lots of us out here in the real world who said, "Who says? Where is the independent confirming authority? Show us the sites of the WMDs...show us pictures.... Don't act until there is proof!"

Those Senators have voted over and over to fund the ill conceived war...they are culpable.

You can google the Paraguay information.

You can read history of the roots of WWII beginning with the isolation of Germany following WWI. Hitler (or someone like him) should have been expected by our so called "intelligence" community...perhaps he was and the information was surpressed....

Didn't you think the Twin Towers falling looked alot like an implosion? We have looked at those films over and over and with audio (now available)...yep, implosion.

So, do you think there won't be a electromagnetic moment sometime in the next few months? A moment where there will be an huge "inexplicable" explosion, immediately attributable to Al Quaeda and we will be in lock down as a nation? Black boots and concentration camps...having been a WWII concentration camp survivor, this whole current history thing looks a tad too familiar.

Nemaste

In la-la land.

Long live the king.

Evelyn Smith.

Yes. Agreed.

In AD 407 the price of slaves in Rome plummeted. The overstretched armies of the Empire had just won a significant battle on the northern frontier and there was a slave glut. Nothing to worry about then. Economic boomtime.

Nobody would have believed that, in only three years, the city itself would fall to a different tribe, and in fewer than seventy more years the whole empire in the west would be dead, its economy evaporated and the city depopulated. This imminent future would have been unbelievable in 407.

Where are we living now?

urthsong,
how right you are. and these countries are probably worried too about fallout from the nukes!!!!!!(which will be too late if the bombs are dropped) and there's nothing we can do to stop them if that is what is wanted. let's just hope it doesn't happen and some wonderful intervention will take place.

That long blog did not edit. Dang!

Prior to this morning, I thought depleted uranium was the major problem. It's number two now.

We all must realize, that if we start an air war and sling bombs in Iran, and especially if we use ANY atomic weapons, the United States will in short order be history.

The leaders of both China and Russia have stated, they WILL support Iran. We are not certain of the reaction of Saudi Arabia, Egypt, India, Italy, Spain, Greece and many others may be. I would guess, the peoples of many nations would be secretly at first and then openly later, very pleased. They would be pleased because the mighty nation of America would soon be a third world country. We have few friends,___ if any! We have "friends" in the world, only because they fear us.

We would still be a military threat to all, with our nuclear subs, our land based missiles and our long range bombers. But we would be in the death throas, because of a swift major depression. It might be a depression in the United States only, but in any case it will happen and we will fall.

China will cut off our loans and cash in their bonds. Our money would be absolutely worthless. It actually is now, we are existing on credit. We manufacture very little in the United States now, primarily paper money and munitions. We import everything and export little. Oh yes I know there are aircraft and auto factories, and a few others. Not enough. Most of our aircraft and auto parts, even militay parts, are now made in China. Amazing.

Imagine a depression in this day and age, with no small farmers, billions of people out of work, credit cards frozen, our paper money deflated, gas stations closed, the grocery stores empty. Just think of it for a moment and imagine what would occur within a few days. People will kill for food.

There will be rioting everyplace, almost everyone owns a gun or two. There will be racial riots and mob violence.___ Anarchy. Our mighty military will be absolutely useless, except perhaps for killing Americans in a vain effort to restore order. How does one restore order, when there is no food?

We will not survive it and if it begins during winter months, it will be even worse.
And how many Mexicans will be pouring across the border? Multi-millions, to join in the fun and take what they can. They hate us, and no one likes a loser anyway. Sorry,___ it is true.

After reading all of the many good comments here, I believe Paul Magill Smith has it nailed. First prize. He evidently knows a heck of a lot more than many, about how the dollar works and doesn't work. At least he sure explained it well here. If he is correct and I really do fear he is, we are in far, far more trouble than I have imagined. And I have imagined it the same as most here have. If Mr. Smith is correct,(no relation BTW) Bush WILL soon be the king and we will invade Iran.___ The rest will be history.
I do not like writing this___ but it's very possible reality.

Siouxrose,

"I am waiting for his head to spin as he spews venom from his half-human heart."

Being a student of English as a foreign language, I love your innovative diction, especially the part I have underlined.

Alexander D,

What you forgot to say was that those people you named (Perle, Wurmser, and Feith) all belong to the self-proclaimed chosen (!) people.

Climberbruno,

One would not push the eject button. From the back seat, one would put two fingers of one's left hand in his nostrils, pull his head back, and slash his throat with one's right hand. One would have a better chance of surviving if the car crashes than ejecting from a fast moving car.

Lillulu,

What do you mean if he attacks Iran…? He's already a war criminal.
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ONE VERY GOOD ADVICE TO ALL POSTERS !!!!!!!!!

You know that when you're posting here, you're preaching to the choir, right? Good, after posting your comments here, post the exact same copies on warmongering sites such as Faux News, etc, if they allow posting by readers. In that way, not only you may educate some people, but you may also piss off some dummies, which may make you feel good.

I think the reason Cheney is hot to attempt to take out Iran is that he's convinced that neutralizing Iran is key to getting Iraq under control. Ie. he thinks Iran is giving sufficient support to insurgents in Iraq to destabilize it beyond US control. And in other words, Cheney wants to double or nothing his bet. You have to remember Bush/Cheney are gamblers. They wanted to gamble social secutiry in the stock market, remember? And what do they have to lose? Cheney is dead in 10 years anyway with a heart condition. And Bush is just waiting to resume drinking in some Texas shithouse.
Cheney is already at the craps table (or should I say "crap") trying to load the dice.

SoiuxRose:

I hope that I am entirely incorrect in my predictions.
But I fear that I AM correct.
We shall see.

Perhaps this link will help. http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=OSB20060314&articleId=2093
It is perhaps more true now than when it was written in March of '06.

The Republicrats and the Democans seem willing to allow this to go on, for the remains of the Constitution, Bush's "god damned piece of paper," to be shredded and burned, as long as their $ugardaddy Bigbuck$ will guarantee their place at the public trough. That seems, with a very few exceptions, to be the sole job, the sole requirement of politics in the USA. If der Bush threatens that, they roll on their backs and piss themselves like scolded dogs.

We need genuine statesmen again in the United States, but what person of integrity would risk political or physical assassination to run for a soiled office, and have to line up with a bunch of sycophants?

Huckleberry is correct. This administration has a specific agenda, to destroy the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, and to dismantle the government in its present form. They are not insane, they are focused on a goal we have refused to recognize. Because we have refused to recognize it and take steps to thwart it, they are successful where we are not Approached from this perception, the necessity of stopping this takeover is imminent. We can vilify the bastards as much as we like; vilification is useless. Action is called for, and effective action must recognize the nature of the enemy in order to be effective. Let's get off the dime, stop raving and get busy blocking their goal and implementing ours with singlemindedness and determination.

Bush, Cheney, and the rest should have been arrested, charged with war crimes/crimes against humanity when they had Iraq attacked, and hanged. They have killed more people than Saddam ever did. These bastard thugs have gotten away with crime after crime and nonstop abuse of power.

There was a report in the British press a few months ago that a few generals in the Pentagon were contemplating not following illegal orders to nuke Iran. A military coupe is always possible if Congress fails to begin impeachment proceedings. I think the nuking of Iran which is what Cheney wants to do, may be far more imminent than next year. Two reasons being that all the ships will be in position and there are reports that our huge airfields in Iraq have been supplied with increased aircraft and weaponry. The excuse is that they want to bomb more Iraqis. That may be so. Bush and Cheney seem to love collateral damage of innocent men, women and children. But it takes no great insight to realize that the airfields are in easy striking distance of Iran as well. I've heard expert commentary to the effect that if Iran is attacked, nuclear power Pakistan would turn on the US. Turkey has been souring for some time on the Bush administration. Mounting a force of 200,000 men on the Iraq border with Turkey does not bode well. Iran (long ruling the Persian Empire), Pakistan and Turkey (long ruling the Ottoman Empire) all have much larger Muslim populations than Iraq or Afghanistan. Whatever differences these nations have, nuking Iran with the accompanying horrible casualties estimated at possibly a million or more could unite them all against the common threat of the United States. And threat we are.

Please pass this on to your favorite U.S. Congressmen.

Haiku Plan of Action to Recover
American Honor and Freedom

RIBIC....RIBIC..(RI-
dicule Bush, Impeach Cheney)..
RIBIC....forthwith, please.

---Eric the Frog (WWII Vet)

[or (your first name) the Frog or the Bird or the Cricket]

WHAT CHENEY WANT - CHENEY GET. OR HE WILL FIRE LITTLE FRAT BOY.

RE: Sir Melvin Cleophus July 16th, 2007 4:21 pm

"I don't even know why the Bush Administration wants to invade Iran other than to increase world hatred of Americans. I mean…I don't understand what the point is. Global hatred of Americans seems to be the goal for the Bush Administration I guess."

Lat me see if I can explain it as simply as possible. For those who believe the problem is about oil---it is & it isn't, money---it is & isn't, power---it is & isn't, religion---is & isn't world domination---is & isn't. Terrorism? Just a foil & trumped up excuse.

Now try putting these items together as a picture to see how important my last comments will be:

Oil is now traded in USD (United States Dollars)

This is known as the 'fiat' currency worldwide.

The USD is backed by nothing of worth (gold, silver, etc) except a promise to pay, and that the value of the USD will be maintained.

The might of the US military is used to force countries to accept the USD as the fiat currency.

If a country signals their intent to change the fiat to another currency they can expect the US to come kick the shit out of them, because such a move would seriously de-value the USD causing possible financial ruin for us (especially if massive creditors, such as China, demanded re-payment in something other than USD).

In the past few years three countries have threatened to change the fiat currency to something else beside the USD, namely Iraq, Iran, & Venezuela. Are you starting to see a picture emerge here?

Iraq made the threat in 2000, and what happened? Invasion due to a very suspect attack on 9/11/2001, but evidence proves the plan (to invade Iraq) was formulated late in 1999.

Within the past year or so Venezuela has made a similar threat, and we've seen the BushCo reaction to Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez (even neo-CON religioso Pat Robertson calling for Hugo Chavez's assassination).

Within the past week Iran's rumblings about changing the fiat for Iranian oil became more than talk. A few days ago Iran announced payments for oil shipped to Japan would only be accepted in yen.

If other countries follow the lead of Iran it could cause a precipitous fall in the value of the USD, raising the price of all goods imported into this country. Since outsourcing of US manufacturing overseas has meant we hardly make anything anymore in this country inflation could become overwhelming due to almost EVERY import becoming increasingly more expensive.

Hence, Cheney calling for an attack on Iran is not unexpected.

Note #1: Half of all the 277 US warships are now around Iran's waters and the third US aircraft carrier (USS Enterprise) just sailed in that direction.

Note #2: Just as Iraq permitted IAEA inspections prior to the March 2003 invasion, Iran has just announced IAEA may start making some inspections of nuclear facilities in their country. (BTW Iraq never kicked the inspectors out in 2003, Bush ordered them to withdraw although they said Iraq was co-operating with the inspections)

Note #3: I think we can expect some sort of 'false flag' operation against US interests (or IN the US even), possibly on a scale of the WTC or worse, in the very immediate future, and it will be blamed on Iran, of course.

"The Washington source said Mr Bush and Mr Cheney did not trust any potential successors in the White House, Republican or Democratic, to deal with Iran decisively."

Decisively? The "My way or the highway" approach to foriegn policy has to stop.

Impeach!

We may need to rely on the military to not carry out orders. Anyone have any ideas on how to mount such a campaign?

purvis ames July 16th, 2007 5:52 pm
"Bush cannot attack Iran without Congressional approval."

Read this article and you will see that the case can be made by Bush and CO. that they already have approval to go into Iran.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/andrew-kent/has-congress-already-auth_b_48826.html

God Help Us All.

Yo, gem, you can't be serious about eliminating all the senators who voted to go to Iraq?!! If you're a citizen of the USA, surely you must've been on the 'walking around in a dzzed and fearful stupor' after 9/11. Senators are, after all, people. Human. They believed their leader. All that happened way before most of us realized the Supreme Court had elected a tyrant. The trust has gradually diminished over these years as the truths have been revealed.

The only government officials who deserve to be removed from office are the ones who were in on the dog-wagging terrorist attack ruse. I suppose there may have been a senator or two in The W's pocket who were kinda sorta privy to the scam of the century, but you can't punish every kid who ate the candy that one kid stole from the candy store.

Think before you rant.

Thanks for the links on Paraguay. I was only able to find one of those thru a net search a few days ago.

Who can reason with madmen?

the greatest threat to this country, and the thing i honestly do fear, is not the next terrorist attack itself, but the American publics braindead and paranoid response and reaction to such an attack. and Moreover, I fear the publics apathy and passiveness as our democracy is whisked away by the corperate oligarchy.

I could be wrong though, and I'd hope i am when the time comes. I hope that when the corperate government does try to seize powers, and destory our freedoms that a solid majority of us, the remaining aware and freedom loving people, will stand up and not take it.

It is interesting to see the various perspectives on this board including people who think Bush and Cheney are insane. I watched a brief segment (and it was very very brief because I can't stand looking at Bush) where Bush linked Al Queda in Iraq with Al Queda, which is totally misleading because the two organizations are not at all linked! Bush is being classic Bush - he is spinning everything, trying to confuse the public (it is painfully obvious that he himself is confused), so it will buy into what he says. I am not sure it is so much insanity, but desperation. He knows it is 4th down and 99 yards to the end zone, so he hopelessly is clinging to the method of confusing the public via spin to convince it of his ridiculously flawed logic (I am not sure you can call it logic, it seems more like stupidity). He reminds me of a middle-management guy who knows his employees do not like him because they think he is a tyrant and completely incompetent (which generally is true), yet he will do what he wants. Personally, I would love to get in a shouting match with him, and put him in his place. But he is too
f@#$ing stupid to have an intelligent conversation with anyone, let alone one about politics. No wonder why Cheney gives the orders!

Yes, I think we have been "coup-ed", so to speak. We have a unitary president, a judiciary supporting that concept and an ineffectual Congress and House. We have the huge corporations controlling our Legislative houses and the our Executive branch...and probably the Judiciary also through corporate support of the religious conservatives. We have a fascist government at this point in operation if not in name.

Yes, I think we will no longer have a vote if this continues (and if it is not already too late).

Only if other nations (i.e. Russia and China) stand up against George will we have a chance to change our system. But, no matter what, Bush and Cheney must be removed..along with Rove, Rice, Yoo, Gonzales, the Supreme Court, and most Republican appointed federal judges

All Senators who voted for the war must be removed. We don't need people that stupid in charge of our country. They don't know the words, "Show me the proof!".

Our election laws must be changed. No more corporate money at any level at any time, now or in the future, can be allowed to influence our elections. I think our method is flawed as it stands.
Elect from the towns to the county; select from the county to the region; select again from the region to the state. Select from the state to the represent the nation. Let party money support and pay for the candidates. No more corporate money.

If Bush and Cheney get axed, they will run to a country without laws of extradiction (? sp). See:

www.politicalcortex.com/story/2006/10/14/119261/843 ["Escape to Paraguay? Rumor of Bush Land Deal"]

www.guardian.co.uk/international story/0,,1928928,00.html
[Paraguay in a Spin about Bush's alleges 1000,000 acre hideaway: by Tom Phillips Oct 23, 2006

www.informationclearinghouse.info/article5855.htm

I think we have been "out thunked" on this one, guys. And too few Americans can see past their fat guts, get off their couchs, stop eating and drinking to figure any of this out. As long as they have their beer, potatoe chips, TV and Walmart and some form of income, they are good to go.

climberbruno, I agree, it may only be a short time from now when we look back from a place of astonished bewilderment at our current naivete and complacency. How quaint it will look for us to have sat with our lattes and voice our outrage(or not)with our laptops while we struggle to survive in some apocalyptic nightmare.

I'm speechless at the passivity of Congress. If Iran is attacked, the Bush administration needs to be charged with war crimes and hanged.

Yes (to who said): July 23, be in DC for the march from Arlington Cemetary to the Capitol.

We will sit down on Memorial Bridge and clog up and in other key intersections all the way there. Be there!

Be there as we storm up the Capital steps.

Bring your placards and flak jackets. It's going to be tough.

These imperialists know exactly what they are doing here and there is nothing we can do about it. The American experiment has failed due to a citizenry that allowed itself to be buffaloed by the corporate run public relations industry. They are in the drivers seat. We are in the back seat. They have their pedal to the metal and we are going for a ride, like it or not. You should be used to it. It's been going on all of your life. It's always been dangerous and we have had several close calls already. A seat belt is not going to help you here. It is my opinion that if your personal seat in this rig is equipped with an ejector option, deploy it asap and hope for a soft landing. Peace Out

The Clean Break paper written by Perle, Wurmser, and Feith, - Names sound familiar.
It is the published blueprint for the whole middle east fiasco.
Written in 1996, published in Israel, any other questions ?
Read it please, it is only 3 pages long, but it is the blueprint.
Wurmser is Cheney's advisor on IRAN.

http://www.israeleconomy.org/strat1.htm

Some might say that "If it's good for Capitalism, then GO FOR IT!!!"...or..."DAMN THE BODYCOUNT!!!"...What a mess!,. The havoc we reek upon our fellow human beings will surely about-face and give us a well deserved reality check.

okay folks.

It's time to do something. We CANNOT LET THIS HAPPEN.

Purvis: Please read ezeflyer's post at 2:40 PM. The W has arranged it so that he can declare martial law during any state of emergency (ya think another horrific hurricane would suffice?) and there's no need for congress to even be involved.

Most of the posters here seem like intelligent, thinking beings who honestly are trying to devise a solution to the predicament into which we Americans have ostriched our way. Waste of time, folks. We are very likely out of time, for impeachment processes, for making our voices heard. Short of a multi-million people revolution, all this rhetoric is wasted on folks who are on the same page.

Get out there and try to make your 'loyal to the death' Bushie friends understand where he's taking our precious country and its even more precious freedom.

We've become a society of lemmings. Get up, go to work, (er, drive to work), watch the clock until lunch, pick up fast food at the drive thru, go back to work, watch the clock until it's time to drive home and watch TV sitcoms until your brain is sufficiently deadened so you can sleep without worrying about silly things like the Iraq holocaust or the melting glaciers or the next "attack' on the USA. (Can it be called an attack ON this country when the terrorists behind the attack are the hierarchy OF the country?) Rent the movie Wag the Dog and turn on your right brain activity.

The best solution to the problems in the USA is recognizing what the problems truly are. Hint: It's not about religion. Nice cover story though...

Linda Sutton: Thank you for posting the phone numbers.
Uncommon Dreams: In "The Spear of Destiny" by Nigel Ravencroft, he quotes Rudolph Steiner (mystic) as realizing that historians, growing increasingly ensconced in materialism, would never understand the degree to which the inner circle of the nazi party roused dark powers. EVERY religion has its belief in demons, guardian angels, discarnate spirits; and most divide them into categories of good and evil. It's plausible that those intent upon evil do not realize the degree to which they become rent by these forces. Cheney almost qualifies as a scene right out of the Exorcist. I am waiting for his head to spin as he spews venom from his half-human heart. Sometimes even mystics take off for a while, or hide underground till the waves of darkness pass. You have to choose your fights carefully these days.