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Disregard Subpoenas, Justice Dept. Says
WASHINGTON -- In a broadly worded legal opinion, the Justice Department has concluded that President Bush's former top lawyer, and possibly other senior White House officials, can ignore subpoenas from Congress to testify about the firings of U.S. attorneys.
The three-page opinion raises questions about whether the Justice Department would prosecute senior administration officials if Congress voted to hold them in contempt for not cooperating with the investigation into the firing last year of eight top prosecutors.
The opinion was prepared this week by the department's Office of Legal Counsel, in response to questions from former White House Counsel Harriet E. Miers, who was subpoenaed to testify today before the House Judiciary Committee. Miers told the panel in a letter faxed Tuesday night that she would not appear, citing the Justice memo and advice from the White House.
Under the law, the U.S. attorney for the District of Columbia decides whether to pursue contempt of Congress cases. Though that official can exercise independent judgment, some legal experts said it might be hard to ignore the opinion from the legal counsel office, whose decisions are often viewed as controlling throughout the federal government.
Others said that, as an alternative, lawmakers might seek the appointment of an independent special counsel to investigate any contempt charges.
The legal opinion surfaced as another former White House official, Sara M. Taylor, testified Wednesday before the Senate Judiciary Committee about the U.S. attorney case. Taylor was the White House political director and reported to longtime Bush advisor Karl Rove.
Like Miers, Taylor was ordered by the White House earlier this week not to answer Congress' questions concerning internal deliberations about the fired prosecutors.
During her appearance, however, and periodically consulting with her attorney, she tried to walk a legal tightrope, answering what she described as "fact-based" questions, in an apparent effort to dissuade committee members from finding her in contempt.
She testified, for example, that she had never discussed the firings with Bush or attended meetings with the president where the issue was discussed.
"I don't believe that anybody in the White House did any wrongdoing," she said, describing the firings as "awkwardly handled."
Taylor, 32, said she did not personally add or remove names to the list of prosecutors to be dismissed. But she declined to answer when asked who was responsible for preparing the list.
She said she received complaints from persons outside the White House about U.S. attorneys but could not recall specific phone calls. She acknowledged writing an e-mail in which she called one of the fired U.S. attorneys "lazy." She testified that she regretted the remark.
Democrats said that they found answers of the former aide to be self-serving, and that they were still considering holding Taylor in contempt.
"You seem to be selective in the use of the presidential privilege," said Sen. Benjamin L. Cardin (D-Md.). "It seems like you're saying that, 'Yes, I'm giving you all the information I can,' when it is self-serving to the White House, but not allowing us to have the information and make independent judgments."
House members were hoping that, like Taylor, Miers would choose to answer some questions. They said her decision not to appear was unexpected.
Correspondence released by the House Judiciary Committee on Wednesday showed that Miers, through her attorney, had asked White House Counsel Fred F. Fielding whether she had to attend the hearing to personally assert the privilege. After consulting the Justice Department, Fielding wrote back saying that Miers had "absolute immunity from compelled Congressional testimony" and that "the president has directed her not to appear."
The position prompted an angry response from House Judiciary Committee Chairman Rep. John Conyers Jr. (D-Mich.) and Rep. Linda T. Sanchez (D-Lakewood), chairwoman of the commercial and administrative law subcommittee.
"We are aware of absolutely no court decision that supports the notion that a former White House official has the option of refusing to even appear in response to a congressional subpoena," Conyers and Sanchez wrote to George T. Manning, Miers' lawyer. "A refusal to appear ... could subject Ms. Miers to contempt proceedings."
Miers, who left the White House in January, was counsel to the president in the winter of 2005 when the fate of the U.S. attorneys in Bush's second term was first being discussed. The White House has said that Miers once suggested that all 93 U.S. attorneys be dismissed.
Some legal experts said they disagreed with the sweeping privilege that the administration was claiming.
"The privilege does not entitle you to refuse to appear. The privilege entitles you to refuse to answer questions when you appear if those questions call for privileged information," said Stephen Gillers, a legal ethics professor at New York University law school. "No one can claim the privilege entitles you to ignore the body that subpoenas you."
"Miers should show up," said Mark J. Rozell, a political science professor and expert on executive privilege at George Mason University. "There is no reason that she cannot answer questions about matters unrelated to presidential confidentiality and then refuse certain questions that she believes violate that principle.
"Besides, the White House dumped a lot of the burden for this fiasco on her shoulders, so she has the most incentive to talk and clear herself."
The Justice Department memo cited a 1999 opinion of then-Atty. Gen. Janet Reno in which Reno concluded that the White House did not have to turn over documents to Congress about a decision by President Clinton to commute the prison sentences of 16 members of a Puerto Rican nationalist group convicted of bomb-making and other crimes.
Reno held that because the pardon power was an exclusive right of the executive branch, Congress had no right to the documents.
Though Bush has the power to hire and fire U.S. attorneys, some observers said the two cases were not necessarily comparable.
Unlike the pardon power, Congress has "constitutional authority to create and regulate the general conditions of appointment and removal for U.S. attorneys," said Peter M. Shane, a professor at Ohio State University law school. "Moreover, it is entitled to investigate whether executive branch officials who have already testified under oath have testified truthfully."
The Justice Department memo underscores inherent conflicts of interest in possible prosecutions arising from the firings. Paul D. Clement, a senior Justice official who has been designated the acting attorney general for purposes of the investigation, has already advised Fielding on his view of the breadth of executive privilege.
The latest memo "gives them some cover to avoid pursuing prosecution," Rozell said.
There's "probably little chance" that the Justice Department will follow through and prosecute, said Louis Fisher, an executive privilege specialist at the Library of Congress. "But that doesn't save Miers from the awful ordeal of a contempt [proceeding] by one of the chambers."
A Justice Department spokesman declined to comment about how the agency would handle such a referral. "The question is a hypothetical, so we won't speculate," Erik Ablin said.
Copyright 2007 Los Angeles Times

57 Comments so far
Show AllHow odd, the prez runs the justice dept. They tell Meiers she don't have to testify...the Congress should simply impeach as many Justice Dept. jerks as it takes to find one non-corrupt DOJ official who will fess up and tell the whole truth.
Fire them all!!!
BTW: GWB is FAR MORE VALUABLE TO OUR CAUSE **IN OFFICE*** AS OUT! If we impeach him, the repubs will claim before the next election they have cleaned up their party and they're now free of corruption. GWB is a stinking rotten Albatross around their knecks...leave the POS there!
Ok, I'll admit, I dont know enough about our government. But, if "The White House" (Read George) is telling her not to talk to Congress....this doesnt make sense...who has final authority, and what if THEY are corrupt?
Doesnt she have to talk or get thrown in jail for contempt?
I dont think anyone, not George, and no one on down should be exempt.
IF we aired everything we do publicly there would be no chance for corruption.
WE THE PEOPLE must rise up and stop this kind of behavior!
THEY WORK FOR US!
Absurd - it's all too absurd to be real. What a nightmare!
With Hitlers in our White House what we now see are the little Hitlers they've appointed to carry out their corruption under the disguise of law.
Pelosi should drop everything else she is doing and move to IMPEACHMENT -- NOW -- before things get any worse . . .
and I'm quite sure they can!!!!
It puts the lotion on its skin, or else it gets the hose again. Throw her ass in jail and hold the Justice Dept. and the White House in contempt. Then rendition to Germany for the lot of them and then the Hague and then the gallows. Oops! Just kidding NSA ;)
Even Nixon's Justice Dept. eventually did the right thing. Nixon then went away. Gonzo says he's not going anywhere. What's the legal course for driving Gonzo out? Our Dept. of Justice had untill just recently a decent reputation. Things can turn fast.
King George has spoken again... Will DC ever quit playing games and impeach already... WAKE UP!
CORRUPTION!!! SEND THEM ALL TO JAIL!!!
Throw her in jail for contempt of Congress and don't let her out until the courts have made a decision or she is willing to answer questions.
what would happen to her if she testified? disappear?
Did Hitler need to TELL Rudolph Hess not to testify at Nuremberg Trials?
Hell no.
This is such a total white-wash!
Taylor should go to jail, just the same as her boss.
Just because "the President" said not to testify, doesn't mean she CAN'T.
The lesson of Nuremberg was that someone is GUILTY of a crime they committed, EVEN if they were ORDERED (or told) to do something. Our INDIVIDUAL guilt, or innocence, supersedes the orders from our "superiors".
Having said that, Taylor knows, as do many, that she would be murdered by one of the bushco government henchmen, if she talked.
Impeach NOW, cheney first, then little bush, then chain them and ship them to Hague for trial and punishment for crimes against humanity.
Hang 'em high, let em die!
just wish congress would pull a dubya.
accept the conditions of no recordings, transcript, locked door hearings...
and record the damn thing and send it straight to helen thomas.
viva helen thomas!
I agree with all opinions above. They've said it all. I can't add anything more than what has been said. King George should be beheaded.
Help me understand...It was my assumption that the Department of Justice was to defend the rights of the people against the tyranny of the government. IF this is true, then we do have a tyrant in the White House. How far does he have to go for the remaining 29% that do support him finally wakes up and realize the White House is not only in crisis but is under seige? Do we really understand that we are dangerously on the brink of Bush making a formal proclamation that the country is under "his" control until further notice? Whose president is this?!!!!
What an embarrassment to progressive western democracy's thank fuck I live in Europe :o)
When the highest crimes possible are excused by the highest court available, it's time for some frontier justice.
It always comes down to 2 choices.
This time it's either load the rifles or build the gallows.
I heard that about the same percentage support Bush as believe Jesus will return THIS YEAR. Anybody want to bet there is some overlap?
Most people believe what they want to believe, but most people draw the line at believing that night is day or the easter bunny is real. I frankly would not have suspected that one third of us would believe ANYTHING.
Liberals actually believe in notions of democracy and rule of law, so they are outraged when the Bushies show contempt for the system by bending the rules beyond recognition in a self-serving way. The Bushies, including the DOJ, are a bit more discipined and think of the world as being their playground in which democracy, the Constitution, the rule of law are just words to be used to lend legitimacy for their regime or for regimes they create, or for self-serving p.r.
No. I'm serious.
The whole reason almost every damn able soldier, sailor or airman is overseas and being kept there is to prevent a military coup.
It's up to you the people! Manifest destiny! Freedom and justice for all!
If those are anything more than archaic prose in a history text (or have they burned all those?) GO GET ORGANIZED! NOW!!!
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
^Hey, look! The law is on your side!^
GET! *PUSH* GOING! *SHOVE* AND! *GRUNT* DRAG! *HEAVE* THESE IDIOTS! *PANT, PANT* FROM POWER *UUUUUNNNNNNNNGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!*
Ah, hell. Not my country anyway. s'up to you. Good luck....
My (TX) Senators are crooks too so writing them letters isn't exactly working. Do we really have to "load the guns and build the gallows"? What would Ghandi do?
I'm still waiting for "Revolutions for Dummies" to come out.
Would someone please make it clear who is the boss in your country? Is it Bush, the Congress, or the Justice Department? Are you facing another Constitutional crisis, or is it an imperial crisis? Why can't Gonzales who overruled the Geneva Conventions on torture also overrule the Congress? Or is all this confusion because when Bush was stacking his cronies in courts and other high places the Congress failed to ask the right questions before putting its stamp of approval. Most probably it didn't matter anyway because the whole gang are brothers in political theatrics to entertain the people.
honeybeeATX. There is always another way, but it may be just as dangerous and it requires a lot more organization, and when it comes down to it you may need the rifles and gallows anyway.
Shadow government. Start locally in your cities and towns.getting farmers, tradespeople, doctors & nurses, machinists, mechanics, general laborers on board, even (or especially) the local police. The money is in othe hands of your national government, so currency is out. Work out a barter system and a method of dispute resolution.
Every city and township all across the USA should be prepared to operate outside of the federal and possibly state government. I seriously doubt they'll take it laying down, so stockpiling medical supplies and other essentials will be crucial.
It has it's own dangers, but there you are...another option.
Laws, who needs em??
Seems I remember being taught that contempt of congress was a somewhat serious charge. Oh well...
Blito,
Read your Constitution. It gives you the right to abolish your government, and that includes Bush. You first ask them to go politely and non-violently. If they persisted, then you can kick ass.
I got this off Talking Points:
"Invoking a privilege is one thing, but telling a person not to show up in response to a subpoena -- if only to actually invoke the privilege -- is quite another. It's not just worse, it's a felony under federal criminal law. See for yourself.
18 U.S.C. Sec. 1505 : ... Whoever corruptly ... influences, obstructs, or impedes ... the due and proper exercise of the power of inquiry under which any inquiry or investigation is being had by either House, or any committee of either House or any joint committee of the Congress ... [s]hall be fined under this title, [or] imprisoned not more than 5 years ... or both.
18 U.S.C. Sec. 1515(b): As used in section 1505, the term "corruptly" means acting with an improper purpose, personally or by influencing another, including ... withholding, [or] concealing ... information."
This is nothing less than a full-blown constitutional crisis. Cheney/Bush are sure they can push around the Congress and nothing will happen. They may very well be right, given the shameful record of obsequious submission (collusion) from the Democratic controlled Congress. But, if they (the Democrats) were to break out of their box and force the issue, it could lead to a real crisis in our country over who precisely is in control and to what limits they will push their authority. My feelings are that Cheney/Bush has far exceeded the boundaries of their authority and are brushing up against the edges of tyranny. Congress, on the other hand, has almost completely ceded it's authority and legitimacy.
Of course, it makes you wonder even more what pResident Bush is hiding and how it could make hime look worse than he already does. My personal guess is that the attorney firings were about refusals to do various kinds of election fixing.
Why does everyone say impeach? Shouldn't Bush, Cheney, Gonzalez be indicted? Then they can be "impeached", and removed from office. Personally, I would prefer to see them all dragged out in handcuffs. Wurmser too, the "Middle east advisor" for Cheney. He is Co author of "A clean break, new stategies for protecting the Realm"- The defacto blueprint for US foreign policy, written with Richard Perle, Douglas Feith, and his wife, an AEI, "scholar".
Do we see a pattern here? AIPAC anyone?
felix4321, i like your style. silence of the dems. interesting times. will be interesting to see where the rethugs in congress draw the line on this one. a few of them might have some qualms about saying congress has no authority over the prez. but we'll see.
in other news, this is just the acceleration of decay that has been going on for a long time. $$ ruling the elections, the disgraceful ronny raygun, the clinton impeachment (an attempt at a right wing coup), the election thefts of 00 & 04. democracy has been a formality for a long time. 00 & 04 elections sealed the deal, when congress refused to fight for even a semblance of fair elections. now the elites begin to fight among themselves.
think i'll take a page from w's toilet paper and wipe my ass w/the constitution now.
Corrupt. To the core.
What's a Country under siege to do?
Felix 4321,
LMAO! Love the humor.
Bush has been consistant in his utter contempt for laws in this country! When you have a President that shows nothing but contempt for a country, it's laws and Constitution like Bush does! He is not fit to call himself President and should be immediately gotten out of office! I honestly do not understand why this man even has one supporter in this country. It tells me a lot about the people that continue to support him. There utter lack of morality and conscious. A lot of them claim to be patriotic American's. But, how could you possibly love your country and allow people like Bush to destroy it???????
Caught Monica-Lite's non-testimony. Where do they find all these amoral blondes? It would appear that those are what neocons prefer.
Seems to me that the Justice Department has now become a political arm of the Administration.
So what else is new?
Ve have your IP address, Herr felix4321. - NSA
I am beside myself as to why we are not in the streets in overwhelming #'s to remove these parasites from office......WTF OVER???
Fed Up,
I think in another one of message boards someone asked if we can place Bush under citizens arrest and if the Secret Service tries to stop us, we can have them arrested for obstuction of justice. I do not know if we can do that, but it might be a starting point.
My country,' tis of thee,
sweet land of liberty, of thee I sing;
land where my fathers died,
land of the pilgrims' pride,
from every mountainside let freedom ring!
Freedom from imperial overreach!
Looks like he's a runner!
Get the rope!
I'm in the streets (wrong coast)ready and waiting. I don't want to let my forefathers down, they built this place!
The number of laws changed by Bush/Cheney, some of them to protect them from being charged with war crimes; the number of laws, international and constitutional broken by many numbers of this GOP are startling when listed. No previous presidency has been this corrupt/controlling in the USA history! Only one other government comes to mind .... yup...Hitler, which by the way the Bushs have documented previous family history with!
It's amazing when American citizens, who still have their heads in the sand, learn that Bush senior was head of the CIA before taking office; or that Bush junior bankrupted every business adventure he ever attempted.
The scariest part is our Homeland Security Sect., Chertoff, says recently, "I have a gut feeling that Al Qaeda is going to attach America some time this summer." WHAT??!! You mean like they had a feeling that planes were going to crash into the World Trade Towers too?
If Bush/Cheney don't get their way with Iraq, I believe they will denonate a dirty/atomic bomb, declare Marshall Law, and hence, they will then have their dictatorship, since they will keep the attacks coming so no more presidential elections are possible while we fight for our lives during further attacks/fall-out. Congress needs to cut all funds to this Whitehouse while the American people vote for impeachment of both of them.
I think the only thing these guys fear is the American citizens waking up and taking back our government. It's the only time they react positively. So, let's get the rest of that 29% and take to the streets!!! Let Congress know we want them to do the job we hired them to do!
Much love and peace,
Lakota
The level of hutzpah and obfuscation is beyond the pale. And here we have meek little Harriet Miers who King George nominated to serve on the Supreme Court acquiescing to his royal highnesses wishes, even as a former employee. That speaks volumes about the level of impartiality she would have brought to the bench.
Take another peek at the picure of Taylor.
She was answering this question. "How many lies have you personally heard President Bush tell".
Actually, I'm not sure of the question. Maybe it was the question about Bill Clinton?
She was answering the question about how long Dick Cheney's shotgun is. I think.
A sawed off shotgun, of course that's what gangsters and mercenaries use.
Is it just me or does anybody else see this woman wrapped around a pole with next to nothing on (except maybe a brown bag??) What is it about the Rethugs that all their little female acolytes and enablers look like tramps??
Is that what gives them a feeling of potency??
FWIW- A caller yesterday on Thom Hartman claimed that there is a provission that allows Congress to empanel their own defacto court and if they convict they can incarcerate (where?) for the duration of the term. That must mean the term of the House so perhaps it is just the House's power. So much the better. She claims it was used the last time in 1934 against a secretary of Treasury. Could be BS but she sounded sane and claims that she got confirmation from some relevant folks in Congress who were "very aware of that statute" and were giving it a good hard look. If Congress can bypass DOJ in the name of seperation of powers we might have a ball game here.
"The three-page opinion raises questions about whether the Justice Department would prosecute senior administration officials if Congress voted to hold them in contempt for not cooperating with the investigation into the firing last year of eight top prosecutors."
I've been saying for some time that the House has more than enough grounds for impeaching Gonzales. This is one more reason. Is Lttle Al going to refuse to show up to testify in his own defense? Will he try to claim executive privilege? One could only hope.
In my own field, middle managers are often hired for their malleability.
Bush hires malleable men and women. See, he's being very equal opportunity minded.
When Bill Moyer interviewed Jon Stewart in the wake of the Gonzalez appearance before the Senate, Stewart commented that Alberto Gonzalez was a bright and self-made man but in the hearings he looked like an absolute "pin-head" who couldn't remember key facts about the Attorney firings.
Likewise, we see bright, able women who look like pin-heads and manipulated fools for the President's follies.
When are we going to see some courage? We need someone to come forward with the Pentagon Papers equivalent--this would be the act of a true patriot.
And BTW, Senate hearings are a waste of time: they couldn't get to the bottom of a litter box.
Impeach or charge in the International Criminal Court.
Ever heard of "inherent contempt"?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contempt_of_Congress
This is a little-known power of Congress which permits a person to be cited for contempt by simple majority vote, whereupon the Sergeant-at-Arms arrests the contemnor, takes her ass to Congress, and if she does not testify, she is ordered jailed for up to the remaining term of the Congress (up to 2 years in the House, 6 in the Senate). Its purpose is to coerce scalawags like Sarah Moore and Harriet Miers to testify. What is really nice about it is that there's no necessity to go through the (presently corrupt) "Justice" Department.
So a simple majority of House members can do something directly, without being able to hide behind excuses that the big bad RepubliKKKans will fuss and say nasty things about them. So all the Dem's need is the guts and will, and we can get to the heart of the matter immediately.
Oh. Yeah. Guts and will. "Aye, THERE's the rub..."