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White House Again to Defy Congress on Attorney Firings
WASHINGTON - The White House has decided to defy Congress in its latest demand for information regarding the dismissal of nine U.S. attorneys, sources familiar with the decision said Saturday. Such an action would escalate the constitutional struggle and propel it closer to a court showdown.
Senate and House committees have directed President Bush to provide by Monday a detailed justification of his executive privilege claims and a full accounting of documents he is withholding. But White House counsel Fred Fielding plans to tell lawmakers that he has already provided the legal basis for the claims and will not provide a log of withheld documents, the sources said.
The standoff suggests that neither side is prepared to budge in the fight over documents and testimony in the widening U.S. attorney investigation. Officials in both camps said no serious negotiations are taking place to resolve the dispute, while Fielding plans to follow up his letter by further asserting executive privilege later this week, directing former White House aides Harriet Miers and Sara Taylor not to testify in response to congressional subpoenas.
The two sides increasingly believe the matter will lead congressional Democrats to seek criminal contempt citations against the White House, which could result in a protracted court battle over the contours of the president's power to shield White House deliberations. Both sides insist the other's legal position is weak and argue that this could be one of the most important test cases in years.
The impasse is leading to "a monumental clash between the executive and legislative branches of government," Taylor's attorney, W. Neil Eggleston, wrote in a letter sent Saturday to Fielding and leaders of the Senate Judiciary Committee. The conflict stems from congressional investigations into the dismissal last year of nine chief federal prosecutors. The Senate and House judiciary committees issued five subpoenas seeking documents and testimony by Taylor, who until six weeks ago was the White House political director, and Miers, the former White House counsel. Bush asserted executive privilege June 28 in refusing to respond to the subpoenas for documents, and the committees responded by demanding that he provide a legal basis and the log.
The log, according to the committees, should describe each document withheld, including its source, subject matter, date and recipients. White House officials viewed it as a backdoor attempt to get sensitive information about deliberations, the sources said.
A White House spokesman declined to comment Saturday. But the White House in recent days has said it has already cooperated extensively with congressional investigators and is now standing on principle.
Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Patrick Leahy, D-Vt., said Saturday that withholding the legal basis and log would suggest the White House is trying to cover something up or realizes it does not have a reasonable claim. He noted that the administration was willing to give some of the information previously under strict conditions.
"This latest stonewalling attempt raises troubling questions about what the White House is trying to hide by refusing to turn over evidence it was willing to provide months ago as long as the information was shared in secret with no opportunity for Congress to pursue the matter further," Leahy said through a spokeswoman.
© 2007 Hearst Communications Inc.
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Show AllTime to put the NIX ON the Bushists!
This on-going hide and seek game the white house is playing is obscene. When the Watergate story broke, the nation was livid mad about Nixon's manipulation of information to hide his blatantly illegal acts. We allegedly responded by enacting the Presidential Transparency Act and other measures designed to prevent future Watergate.
Remember the missing tapes and then later tapes being provided with erased sections. We are doing the same damned thing in 2007 with yet another set of weasels inside the White House stonewalling. So if we can't get to documents and e-mails within the White House stonewalls, and people cannot respect a subpoena like all other Americans are mandated to do, we are playing the same damned game all over again. Then we get a few e-mails with erased content. How much more of a Watergate parallel does this have to become for Americans to wake up and demand that Bush and Cheney both get impeached out of office.
We already have overwhelming evidence that e-mails are missing off of the White House server, that official business has been conducted on a Republican server, and that portions of specific e-mails have been deleted. All of this is illegal and a blatant violation of the Presidential Transparency Act.
Its time to respond to yet another weasel infestation of the White House.
So Bush defies a Congress that is so cowardly and dysfunctional that it can't do anything besides what its owners (campaign contributors) tell it to do - and raise its own pay.
Then the case goes to a court system that is unable to even define basic rights such as habeas corpus, due process, the right to legal counsel,the right to be free from torture, the right to confront your accuser, the right to see the evidence that is being used against you, etc. etc. ad nauseum.
Where's the news here? How can you have a constitutional crisis or confrontation when the US Constitution has been rendered irrelevant since the creation of the National Security State and the imperial presidency after World War II?
The focus of anger now needs to shift away from the White House.
The United States House of Representatives is not doing the job it is tasked to do by the Constitution: impeachment proceedings. There is more than enough evidence that crimes have taken place in the White House.
It is time to talk removal of the representatives we sent to the House in the last election. They are purposely--for whatever reason--thwarting the will of The People.
Nobody should take this lightly.
right wing business scum...
though agreeing more or less with scarecrow, we must remember that there is a process.
to throw out the congress which is in that process is a disturbing idea to say the least.
the last congress cared nothing of process and were all too happy to allow bushco to tell them how to vote and when to shut their mouths.
now we have a congress that is (more) willing to hold the executive (this includes you, dick) branch accountable.
just because we want them to storm the white house, cracking skulls all along the way, doesn't mean that's how it should be done.
when the people want peace more than a new *television/car/re-election*, then they will have peace.
*insert trivial desire here
It would be a step forward in "Progressive-speak" to not stop at the word "impeachment" for these criminals, but to
add another four more syllables:
IMPEACHMENT/PROSECUTION!
If "We the people" stop ONLY at impeachment, then justice is STILL not served! Aren't these bastards SLIGHTLY more criminal than some young (or old) person caught selling marijuana???
*The pot people are going to prison!
*The political criminals are not???
Yes, but in my opinion, congress needs to be aware that time is of the essence.
Plus, the People do want peace. Come on, who doesn't want Peace? Who?
Ken Hausle
* I suport HRes-333 - Impeach the double d VP, dick cheney in DC
"...just because we want them to storm the white house, cracking skulls all along the way, doesn't mean that's how it should be done."
The Speaker of the House has been clear: impeachment is off the table.
A covert CIA agent was exposed. Insiders say that other agents died because of this.
Iraq, an occupation based on lies in order to transition the wealth of the United States into private hands, was a planned event by this White House.
American soldiers are dying daily.
Iraqi citizens are dying daily. Some estimates are that nearly 1 million souls have perished.
It's time to storm the White House and crack skulls.
Gee, from Hearst Communications this is coming... does anyone else see the writing on the wall that was written with the Roberts and Alito appointments? the real problem is that COngress has already chosen to abdicate its own Constitutional authority with the Patriot Acts I & II and the Iraq War Powers Resolution. Bush (read; Rove and Cheney) then stole the courts as well by appointments, illegal firings of US District Attorneys. So how will COngress now impose its will weak as that is, on a strong headded White House? Sadly this case has already been decided by Congress itself. This article and supposed debate is meaningless since it has already been decided by the decider and Hearst Communications is just playing its dutiful role as the misdirector in the news. I'm with Scarecrow, at somepoint soon, like m,aybe yesterday, it is time to crack skulls. These people who are currently in power, Dem's and Rep's both, know no other thing than violence as a solution to dispute. It may be that we have to use it to implement change in this country since clearly the powerful no longer have any respect for laws unless they are applied to others.
I'm fed up with the spineless Dem's. Impeach, prosecute and remove.
"The impasse is leading to 'a monumental clash between the executive and legislative branches of government' "
Gee, I wonder how the Roberts Court is gonna rule on that one...
I'd wager on the Democratic Congress blinking first before this ever gets to SCOTUS. I'd love to be wrong, of course, but our feckless Democratic leaders have given me no reason these past six months to expect otherwise.
Scarecrow,
I am totally with you. It is time to crack skulls and crack them hard!!
Ken Hausle. I'm in total agreement with you, both Bush and Cheney should have been impeached long ago and they should be impeached tommorow.
___BIG PROBLEM___ Even if they are impeached they can ignore it, defy congress and the American public and stay the course. (Their course.)___ A sucessful impeachment will not solve the problem, they will stay in office.
Go to the article on today's Common Dreams___ "The King Can Do NO Wrong"
Bush has his written executive orders and the backing of the Supreme Court onthose. He can now do anything he pleases and there is nothing we or congress can do about it.
Funny, there are some comments on that article where people write, impeach now. Someone has a problem with reading comprehension.__ Maybe it's me. Read that article and see if it tells us we are screwed, impeaching Bush will solve nothing. Guess Nancy was right. Hope not
Even if Congress is on the right side of the law, the Supreme Court is probably going to side with Bush, considering the rat pack stacked up in the court by Bush.
TAKE THE MATTER TO THE PEOPLE'S COURT!
Hey Ken, I didn't mean to imply we should quit trying. We must keep trying even if the Supreme Court has already ruled on the issue of his ex orders and ruled in his favor. 5 to 4 again. You are right scarecrow we better take it seriously and find a legal way to fight them. FAST
ES - With all due respect, if this is what is going to happen, then I say force the hand. Lets get it all out ON THE TABLE.
Peace,
Ken Hausle
* I support HRes333 - Impeach the VP
***** time oh time *****
Who knows, the deck might have some wild cards. I'll give you one now. Impeachment will be a "show worth watching". The public will get involved.
And like I said before, the People want Peace. Don't you. Don't we all want peace. Peace of mind. Peace of body. Peace of soul. Peace of love. PEACE for heaven's sake.
Peace,
Ken Hausle
* I support HRes333 - Impeach the VP
***** time is of the essence *****
"And like I said before, the People want Peace. Don't you. Don't we all want peace. Peace of mind. Peace of body. Peace of soul. Peace of love. PEACE for heaven's sake."
Absolutely.
But with peace, there is no monetary gain for those who would be kings.
I think I just disgusted myself.
"It ain't over, till it's over, folks!"
We must keep the pressure on and on. It is easy to despair, but despair and hopelessness will not bring peace or anything, but more hopelessness.
Impeach! Impeach! Impeach!
Well there you have it. Here are the choices.
1. Life
2. Money
They may not be mutually exclusive, but with "alive" corporations, they sure seem to end up in conflict. It ought not be.
Peace,
Ken Hausle
* I support HRes333 - IMPEACH
***** time oh time *****
Peace does not pay. Anyway, don't worry. The Dems are already set to cave as usual. I'm afraid we are being forced to take stronger measures than the bloggings no on reads.
Sang Ze - What do you want? You sure seem to complain alot.
By the way. Peace DOES Pay. Just maybe not with money like we have gotten used to. There is a better way. Duh......
I think it is time for me to check out for the day. Later.
Peace,
Ken Hausle
* I support HRes33 - Impeach the VP
***** time is a ticking *****
"___BIG PROBLEM___ Even if they are impeached they can ignore it, defy congress and the American public and stay the course. (Their course.)___ A sucessful impeachment will not solve the problem, they will stay in office."
I would almost like to see that (as long as those
actually firing the nukes keep their minds about
them when the criminals tell them to fire.)
Can you imagine watching as they are dragged from
whatever hole they are hiding in, kicking and
whimpering pathetically? To the stocks with them
and then a quick planeride to Cuba.
nothing will come of this. The American public is dangerously apathetic, demoralized, worn out(from working too hard), lazy, and ultimately live in fear of their own government.
and why not really. There are only two ways you can vote in this country, and both parties don't represent you, they represent business interests.
Your best bet for any change in this country is a violent revolution. Yes you read correctly, violent. The crooks in washington don't respond to dialogue, don't respond to the will of the American people, and continue to screw us under the guise of "representing" us. They work through fear, violence, and intimidation, and this is all they respond to, so it's time to turn the tables on them. People shouldn't be afraid of their government, government should be afraid of the people.
I go along with Ken's comments thank you. You are right Ken, the public would wake up if they are "both" impeached. Pelosi is the key.
Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, and the rest of Congress are okay with a dictatorship, it seems. They are part of the problem since they allow the Bush adm. thugs to get away with anything and everything. What a useless bunch.
The Dems should keep pulling threads. If they get the right one, things will unravel.
Is anyone surpirsed? Honestly, though I do believe (for the most part) in the rule of law, is this crime as important than the murder of one million People in Iraq? Is this crime as important as the depleted uranium we've dumped on history's oldest civilization? Is this crime as important as the rape of our planet? Is this crime as important as the cover-up of 9/11?
I smell a distraction issue. The SERIOUS crimes are being ignored, while less harmfull crimes are being doodly-tootly wishy-washy lingered on. Disgraceful.
See, the Pres'dent in't really the Pres'dent, cause he's the Co-mand'r 'n Chief, too. You need to uner'stan, durin' wer time, the Prez'dent's got two jobs, see. And as Chief Co-mand'r pertect'n yer children from another Iraqi September 11, I must igner Congressional the-at-tricks. Now, escuse me, I have a pre-pardon sign'n ceremony for the non-executive VeePee I got to attend to.
I have actually started organizing in my town for impeachment. Currently, I'm collecting signatures on a petition to my congressman to support impeachment. But I keep getting from people who I would like to have helping me that the effort is pointless because there is so little time for the process: 'By the time you get through an impeachment, they'll be gone anyway,' etc. So what would be a best-case scenario once the House votes for impeachment, in terms of the duration of the process?
John F. Butterfield:
Right hand, Left hand: Same brain.
Democracy is an illusion in this country. You've been had. We've all been had. Thank god for the internet, otherwise we might still live in darkness. Don't depend on the fugs in the Democratic party to save you, they are just puppets. Faces. Farces. Fake.
Take matters into your own hands.
An old Arab saying goes: "Before you try and steal a church spire dig a well to hide it in".
The adminstration has done so.
By appointment of Roberts and Alito to the supreme court they can afford to defy any law of the land and not feel threatened by legal action.
Reading the list of the Supreme court decisions in their last session should be a warning to the hopeful.
Impeachment is the only course of action however with the present status of the Senate, even this is going to be a long shot.
• As in Watergate & Iran-Contra: what is the specific criminal action in this matter that justifies federal court intervention into the tradition of presidential privilege? Is there any evidence of intent to obstruct criminal investigations or prosecutions by the attorneys who were fired? If not, the courts will not intervene in a political dispute.
• Make no mistake about it: the Bush administration is a horror and an embarassment. But there is no smoking gun.
SierraNevada
In 1969, Kleinrock began what was to become the Internet, then in 1973 the protocols were developed by MIT Vinton Cerf and Bob Khan. The www was developed in 1989 by Timothy Berners-Lee. Hardly an invention of god. So thank man for the internet. If men can invent the bloody internet, they surely can get rid of a rogue president, a rogue VP, and a rogue Supreme Court. The Declaration of Independence gives the public the authority to get rid of despot politicians. Just read it! Yeah, maybe like some others have already said ,we ought to start with those mush-brained Congressmen/women first. It only takes one step then another one, then another one...
I'm pulling for Senator Leahy as he keeps trying to find a legal loophole. He's a lone voice in the wilderness and needs backup and support from Democrats. And what is this "President or Executive Privilege? These imposters need to be impeached and prosecuted and thinking they will all be out come next election would be a huge mistake. What if we have another 9-ll? Then Bush can stay in office indefinitely and hold the rest of America under Marshall law. I say keep plugging away Leahy until the criminals are tarred and feathered and run out of the country. Put them on a plane and drop them off into Iraq.
Judi, the president has lined up his ducks. well, Cheney lined them up for Bush.
Read the article on today's Common Dreams, titled The King Can Do No Wrong. Bush has managed to insure that he can do anythig he pleases and congress currently has NO power over him. If he is impeached, he can ignore it and our 5 to 4 Supreme Court has already ruled in his favor on the issue.
Sierra Nevada you are correct, there are more serious issues, the most serious is the use of DU for weapons. This one is serious also, for it has awakened us to the power Bush really has and the rights we have lost because of it. We must find a way to help congress overcome the evil.
"The White House has decided to defy Congress in its latest demand for information regarding the dismissal of nine U.S. attorneys..."
Hmmmmm.....and you were expecting.....what???
"This latest stonewalling attempt raises troubling questions about what the White House is trying to hide by refusing to turn over evidence it was willing to provide months ago as long as the information was shared in secret with no opportunity for Congress to pursue the matter further," Leahy said through a spokeswoman.
There's plenty of "opportunity": "The doctrine of the separation of powers was adopted by the Convention of 1787, not to promote efficiency but to PRECLUDE THE EXERCISE OF ARBITRARY POWER."
If the founders wanted a "dictatorship", they would have created one.
ONCE AGAIN: Where is it written in the Constitution that an Executive Order, or in this case, "abuse" of Executive Privilege overrides the fundamental laws of our founding documents?
You are correct Gail.
The Constitution is as perfect a document ever penned. But the Supreme Court has ruled against it and who do we appeal their decision to? This is perhaps the most serious situation to EVER face Americans. We need a real good lawyer. Know any?
I'm not as smart as most of you guys and gals. You have probably already detected that. I do have a serious question. Is it possible___ to impeach members of the Supreme Court? Are they above the law or are they the law ___ period.?
Judicial enforcement of a Congressional contempt citation against the President will not work: even if the case is not dismissed as nonjusticiable, a final decision could not be obtained until well after Bush has completed his term of office. The Constitution provides Congress with the nonjudicial remedy of impeachment for Presidential abuses of power -- which certainly include open defiance of and interference with Congressional investigations. There is no legal barrier to effective action by Congress. If you ladies and gentlemen in Congress are not willing to act in accordance with your sworn oath to "uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States," please have the decency to stop pretending that you represent our interests and resign.
asnet is right, there is no smoking gun in the firings themselves, and SierraNevada and others are right that there are far worse and impeachable crimes (1. waging a war of aggression; 2. defrauding congress and the public on the reasons for war; 3. torture and extraordinary rendition. 4. spying on Americans. 5. signing statements).
This attorney-firings issue seems important but really isn't. The real crime behind the attorney firings is the manipulation of elections. To provide cover for their use of racially motivated caging lists (the kind that dispossessed 70 000 voters in Florida 2000) and for gutting voting rights enforcement in the justice dept, the repubs have to prove that there is massive fraud on the part of individual voters, the kind of fraud that would justify draconian measures that burden voters and reduce turnout.
Maybe they really believe that such fraud exists, but this seems like another faith-based view. In the fact-based world, it seems, there isn't massive voter fraud, so the repub leaders have to pressure attorneys to pursue bogus cases, and some of the attorneys refuse, so they get fired.
But the executive has a right to fire the attorneys if they don't follow his game plan. The game plan may be badly motivated, it may be tied up with a criminal conspiracy to influence elections, but the fact is that this part of the conspiracy would be entirely legal. Sorry folks, but its that simple.
The question we should be asking is why is congress so fixated on the attorney firings when that action, by itself, was political rather than criminal? Why don't they go after the election fraud from 2000 and 2004? Why don't they impeach? I fear that Congress is on Bush's side when it comes to imperialism, torture, and spying on us. What really offends them, however, is when the president tries to grab power that they think belongs to them.
This is from the New Hampshire Bill of Rights,which in my humble opinion,supercedes the u.s. bill of rights
"Art.] 10. [Right of Revolution.] Government being instituted for the common benefit, protection, and security, of the whole community, and not for the private interest or emolument of any one man, family, or class of men; therefore, whenever the ends of government are perverted, and public liberty manifestly endangered, and all other means of redress are ineffectual, the people may, and of right ought to reform the old, or establish a new government. The doctrine of nonresistance against arbitrary power, and oppression, is absurd, slavish, and destructive of the good and happiness of mankind."
Don't we all really know that this is what it is going to take to retrieve our stolen rights?If you still dont get it,refer to 2nd amendment
Congress needs to surgically cut off the money. If they fail to appropriate money to the war, torture connected departments or the vice president's staff - pick one, the fight will be on their terms not the Fascist Extreme Court, Shotgun Dick or Bu$h the inferior.
They won't of course, because there is no herd of tax payer (through government contract) supported lobbyists paying them to protect their own political power.
Soon the Congress will be completely irrelevant and powerless. They will be shocked when all their lobbyist friends don't bother to bribe them anymore. Of course, the Court will be irrelevant too as soon as the Unitary Executive finds they don't support his every move.
It's time for us all to defy both congress and the white house.
95% of them are rotten to the core.
richard young July 8th, 2007 10:59 pm
"There is no legal barrier to effective action by Congress. If you ladies and gentlemen in Congress are not willing to act in accordance with your sworn oath to "uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States," please have the decency to stop pretending that you represent our interests and resign."
THANK YOU, Richard Young!
A) Executive Branch stonewalls Congress.
B) Congress stonewalls the People.
C) The Constitution and Bill of Rights: Desecrated!
D) Result: A government unaccountable to the people who elected them and controlled by the corporate elite who $$funded them.
"We can have democracy in this country or we can have great wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we cannot have both." - Justice Louis Brandeis
It doesn't take much mental energy to figure out which one we have....just follow the $$$$.
richard young July 8th, 2007 10:59 pm
"There is no legal barrier to effective action by Congress. If you ladies and gentlemen in Congress are not willing to act in accordance with your sworn oath to "uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States," please have the decency to stop pretending that you represent our interests and resign."
I agree!! and there is a website providing the tools to ask them all to do just that. Have you seen it? www.wethepeopleforpeace.org
Fran