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For Most Americans the War in Iraq is Already Lost
Opponents frequently accuse George Bush of being in denial over Iraq. But in recent weeks the dire urgency of the situation, in both Baghdad and Washington, appears to have penetrated even the insulating layers normally enveloping the Oval Office.
The White House is increasingly alarmed at the widely shared belief that the progress report to Congress in September by the Iraq commander, General David Petraeus, and the US ambassador to Baghdad, Ryan Crocker, will mark the beginning of the end of the occupation.
The 29,000-strong military surge, ordered by Mr Bush in February, has already been written off as a failure, or not nearly successful enough, by many in Congress and beyond. With US casualties running at roughly double last year's level, pressure for withdrawal may become irresistible almost whatever Gen Petraeus says.
"The real debate is not about whether the US should pull out troops. That is now inevitable," said columnist EJ Dionne. "The real challenge is to figure out the right timetable, whether a residual force should be left there, and which American objectives can be salvaged."
According to foreign policy analysts Steven Simon and Ray Takeyh in the Washington Post, "what the US needs now is a guide to how to lose - how to start thinking about minimising the damage to American interests, saving lives, and ultimately wresting some good from this fiasco".
Nor is this defeatism (or realism) confined to Democrats and liberals. Richard Lugar led a charge against Mr Bush's policy last week by Republican senators who, like many of their House colleagues, believe the war is seriously harming both the country and their party's 2008 electoral prospects. Mr Lugar said, in sum, that domestic divisions had already fatally undermined the surge. "The strident, polarised nature of this debate increases the risk that our involvement in Iraq will end in a poorly planned withdrawal that undercuts our vital interests."
Democrats, spurred on by polls showing that most Americans want out of Iraq and are impatient for Congress to act, are doing their best to exploit doubts. Senate majority leader Harry Reid and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi will call a series of Iraq votes this month, on pullout timetables, funding, and length of combat tours, to force Republicans to show where they stand.
Meanwhile, members of both parties are calling for a revival of the independent Iraq Study Group, whose findings last autumn were initially spurned by Mr Bush. At the same time, the anti-war movement is targeting electorally vulnerable Republicans in 15 states.
Mr Lugar's broadside sent national security adviser Stephen Hadley scurrying up to Capitol Hill to rally the troops. Mr Bush's dawning realisation that he is on the brink of losing control of Iraq policy has prompted steps to regain the initiative.
Tony Snow, the White House spokesman, has started playing down the importance of the September reports, suggesting they will just be a snapshot of a work in progress. Gen Petraeus's deputy, General Raymond Odierno, suggested that the surge may continue until next spring or even longer.
US benchmarks for progress by Iraq's government have largely not been met, although a draft oil law was reportedly agreed yesterday. Mr Bush has taken to stressing instead that local and provincial advances are more important.
"We need to look at Iraq from the bottom up," he said at the Naval War College in Rhode Island last week. "This is where political reconciliation matters most, because it is where ordinary Iraqis are deciding whether to support the new Iraq." This looked like an attempt to pre-empt political failure in Baghdad.
Yet still trying to avoid a train wreck - and showing unaccustomed energy - the president is cajoling and pressurising Iraq's leaders, holding frequent teleconferences with the prime minister, Nuri al-Maliki. A stream of senior officials has been sent to Baghdad. Discarding its usual secretiveness, the White House wants these contacts to gain publicity, to show it is trying.
A "desperate" Mr Bush is "running out of time" at home and in Iraq, said veteran commentator David Broder. The president's attempt to avoid a September showdown with Congress looks likely to fail. What the upshot of that showdown will be is still in doubt.
© Guardian News and Media Limited 2007
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Show All"What the President is talking about is we are eager to get those accomplishments as quickly as possible, for obvious reasons, so that the Iraqis are in the lead and at some point you are in a position to be able to do these so-called over-the-horizon activities (i.e. withdrawal of American troops) and, at the same time, not create a power vacuum that's going to make it easier for al Qaeda or for terrorists to come in and not only destroy what's going on in Iraq, but also to make it a safe haven for terrorism and a source of a greater danger and instability not only in the Middle East, but throughout the world." -White House Press Secretary Tony Snow, June 26, 2007
Over The Horizon
Lyrics (Perhaps) by Tony Snow
Somewhere over the horizon
Way far away
There's an end that I'm sure of
Once Iraqis save the day
Somewhere over the horizon
Skies aren't blue
And the terrors that we use to scare you
Really could come true
Some day I'll sit upon a beach
And wake up where the White House is far behind me
Where troubles melt like Democrats
Away above the press room chats
That's where you'll find me
Somewhere over the horizon
Danger lies
Danger lies over the horizon
Why, oh why would I lie?
Some day I'll sit upon a beach
And wake up where the White House is far behind me
Where troubles melt like Democrats
Away above the press room chats
That's where you'll find me
Somewhere over the horizon
Danger lies
Danger lies over the horizon
Why, oh why would I lie?
If scary little terrorists lie
Beyond the horizon
Why, oh why would I lie?
It does not take much intellegence at all to know the Iraq War was lost before we invaded. Poor leadership, poor strategy, did not understand the enemy. Now all of these can be detailed out, the real question I have is if someone with limited knowledge, like myself could see this, why did the Bush Administration not see this?
Hey StrangeAnimals
Megadeth could adapt music off "Countdown to Extinction" and turn "Over The Horizon" into a song. Oh I nearly forgot you could add a verse like....
Bu$h and his neocon crazies
Demolished Iraq
Killed a million innocent lives
Then moved somewhere over the horizon
Danger lies
Danger lies over the horizon
Why, oh why would I lie?
Great stanza! And I love the idea of Megadeth/Mega-death performing the song.
PNAC!
billibob wrote:
"It does not take much intellegence at all to know the Iraq War was lost before we invaded. Poor leadership, poor strategy, did not understand the enemy. Now all of these can be detailed out, the real question I have is if someone with limited knowledge, like myself could see this, why did the Bush Administration not see this?"
the reason they did not "see" this is quite simple: they did not care. their version of success was not most americans' version of success. for many of the neocons that were pushing this war, destroying iraq was the point, it was their mission, and in this sense it truly was "mission accomplished"
now they want to destroy iran (see lieberman's activities)
the rest of the stuff, the lives lost, etc is not so important.
the following is a very interesting article from "information clearing house" something akin to "commondreams", often has even better articles. encourage common dreams readers to check it out.
A Declaration of Independence From Israel
By Chris Hedges
Israel was born at midnight May 14, 1948. The U.S. recognized the new state 11 minutes later. The two countries have been locked in a deadly embrace ever since.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article17957.htm
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I do not find anywheres in reality that the War in Iraq is lost to those who instigated it.
The American, British and Euros public was never going to gain in this enterprise from its inception.
The public outside of US and Britian knew it and even in those two countries a small minority knew it also.
The amount of public outcry in foreign lands over the invasion of Iraq was unheard of in world history as never before did so huge a number of people take to the streets advising their governments to not particiapte in such an outright Agression against a nation.
Without this public outcry the leaders of foreign nations would of continued supporting fully and openly the US actions and those supporters include most of ME nations.
Today those nations still support and are recieving financial aids and promises of energy access for their future needs but are doing so in a more covert manner than in past.
The anti war movement of world has been almost totaly dismantled by those goverments and thieir finacial and Industrial interest are pouring hundreds of billions into Iraq alone as they buy up a whole countrys future economic returns.
Iraqui society has been destroyed, replaced on the one hand by a new Kurdish entity that is almost a sovereign nation with US Brit viceroy powers over it, to a complelty chaotic ungovernable mess in 5 of the reamining provinces with the reamining ones almost divided equally between theological groupings of Shite and Sunni protectorates.
The Sunnis getting the most of aid and who depend upon US Brit and Saudi along with other ME shiekdoms military finanial support.
Teh Shites have Iran but are still mostly Iraquis supported by Iraquis and in the future will be eliminated as a viable entity in political spheres.
We are in Iraq for good and the smoke and mirrors of loss being spread by controlled media is just setting a stage for a gradual drawdown in coverage of Iraq as well as the amount of military to be removed while we keep a "Stabilizing Element " in country or nearby; much as has been done in Afghanistan and Balkans.
The thrust and planning was to destroy Iraq and privatize, realy Incorproate, Iraqs natural resources into Eurocentirc and ME energy shiekdoms contol.
I say incorporate instead of privatize because it will not be private entitys weho gain access but International Corporate Identitys who will own country.
That has been done.
Bush blew up this nation to force occupation of Iraq down the throats of this nation on a percieved enemy he has fabricated for his benefit. Our nations is infected with want a be toy soldiers who are paper tigers who want medals for the paper cuts they did to themselfs. Draft dodgers who ran when their time had come to do their duty, they are now in command of this nation who slaughter the souls of this generation. These want a be generals should have died in Vietnam like they should have! Our nation is now being cursed by their cowardly leadership!
The war in Iraq is a huge success! The war was started specifically to accomplish what it has. To whip up Muslim extremists and swell their ranks. This will insure a nice long "war on terror" that our grand children & great grand children will be dying for in 50 years.
Let's not forget the great training ground we have provided them in Iraq, especially in a city the size of Baghdad.
Bush is as much a religious fanatic and any Muslim, and he is willing to send the youth or our country to fight the youth of their culture to achieve his godly ambitions.
Fattreddyscat, nope___ our kids will all be dead in thirty years. Go to Google and ask for Depleted Uranium. Scroll down to the articles written by top notch scientists and read the bad news. Do it, findout what the stupid use of DU is doing to the entire world, our atmosphere and all forms of life.
This is the invader's narrative. The analysis is based on "success" and "failure" instead of the morality and legality of the war. The number of innocent Iraqis killed in this war is not even mentioned. Probably they are not worth mentioning in the colonist's story.
Again you make it too complicated. The Bush Administration is very stupid and Fascist at the same time. Much like Hitler's Nazi Party. Hitler's Nazi Party just thought everybody would lay down before them. The Bush Fascist Party thought the same thing. Why do you continue to make this more complicated than it really is? Karl Rove has not had some great strategy. Karl Rove just took Hitler's plan and made a few minor modifications. It is really this damn simple.
a couple glaring statements from chimpy's speechifying today:
"If we were to quit Iraq before the job is done, the terrorists we are fighting would not declare victory and lay down their arms. They would follow us here," Bush said
WHY DO THEY NEED TO FOLLOW ANYONE HERE??? DONT THEY HAVE A FRIGGIN MAP??? I KNOW BUSH CANT FIND IRAQ ON A MAP, BUT I THINK OSAMMA CAN FIND THE USA
Bush compared the citizen-soldiers of the Continental Army who traded pitchforks for muskets to the guardsmen and other military personnel fighting against terrorists today.
EXCEPT THE CONTINENTAL ARMY WAS FIGHTING IN REBELLION AGAINST THEIR LEGITIMATE GOVERNMENT, AND THE CURRENT GROUP IS ENGAGED IN AN ILLEGAL OCCUPATION OF A FOREIGN COUNTRY...
ACTUALLY, THE IRAQI INSURGENTS HAVE MORE IN COMMON WITH THE CONTINENTAL ARMY....DEFENDING THEIR SOIL AGAINST A FOREIGN OCCUPIER
It's always been ... from the British and French on to control the oil of the Mideast. From the rich, white, patriarchal, mostly Christian-European-U.S., point of view, those tan and brown people with the unacceptable religions don't even count, just their black gold under the sand.
Throw in crazy, callous, secular Zionist Israel as well-armed ally with related-AIPAC, controlling U.S. political candidates with MEGA Money, ... well, like all plans for Empire, it gets messy, treacherous, corrupt and eventually it gets to be a violent and vile mess with very few answers left ... other than to nuke Iran on the pretext of the perhaps coming "new Pearl Harbor," set up by the powers that be, just like 9-11 was an inside job.
Throw in the enormous amounts of money made from defense industries which keep cranking out bombs, planes, artillery, etc., and that's worth keeping the thing going all by itself.
Soul-less, heartless Cheney and company and the Carlyle Group et al. investors are laughing all the way to the Swiss bank accounts. [WWI - General Smedley Butler: "War is a racket!" ... and how!]
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But what to do with that SUPER-MEGA GREEN ZONE EMBASSY? Gee whiz.
Fill it as a special residence with all those private Blackwater Mercenaries and Eric Prince and other major stockholders will be counting their mega-money also and the taxpayers will just keep paying into the defense budget without knowing what's going on, BUT the regular troops will come home, and the home folks will think it's over, over there. NOT!
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To leave a small force of regular troops if BUSH & Co. decide to withdraw [don't count on it] is suicide. ALL THE TROOPS SHOULD COME OUT AT ONCE NOW! Given the rage and fury of the Iraqi insurgents [and I likely would be one too if it were my country and my people were being chopped up by invaders], leaving a small regular U.S. force there will end up like Custer and his soldiers, and who could blame the Indians on that one or who will be able to blame the Iraqis, whoever they are.
Creating violent wars for mega-bucks and power is nothing new. It's just that the mentalities of those who lead us are so primitive, ignorant and unevolved, but so are too many of us in the electorate, and so are too many others around the world.
Empires come and go ... It's just ... this time ... it's touch and go whether we'll be around for much longer if we don't take a leap of consciousness collectively that is long overdue.
Dennis Kucinich represents that leap of consciousness, and the commentators put him down as living in La-La Land or Happy Land.
Well, then I guess we'd have to say the same about Jesus, Mohammad [surprise! ... as humble and compassionate as Jesus], the Dalai Lamas though the centuries, Peace Pilgrim, Martin Luther King, Jr., Mother Teresa, Francis of Assisi, Rebbe Hillel, Neem Karoli Baba ... and so many others passed over or living ... who we admire ... and then piss on their teachings in the name of nationalism, the national good, national security, gross national product, stock market gains, shopping, the bad guys and the good guys, etc.
What a bad joke we are as collective humanity.
But this time ... is the joke going to be on us?
"No one is to blame, but everyone is responsible." (John Bradshaw) ...
"Stupid is as stupid does." [or does not.] (Forrest Gump)
"No [wo]man is an island unto [her]himself. ..." (John Donne)
"Love people. Feed people. Serve people. Remember God." (Neem Karoli Baba/Maharaji ji)
The reason we are in Iraq is the false intelligence (read lies) Bush ETAL was fed by his jewish cabinet and advisors.
http://benfrank.net/blog/2005/11/12/recall_the_uav_claim/
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/WMDlies.html
http://www.pww.org/article/view/4733/1/201/
Now more lies from the same sources are trying to put America in Iran.
remember abbie hoffman describing american politics as an argument between slave owners debating which got better results kindness or the whip
and also this "How is the world ruled, and how do wars start? Diplomats tell lies to journalists, and they believe what they read."
- Karl Kraus Austrian Press 1874-1936
Let's stop pretending we're at war with Iraq, and while we're at it there's no war on drugs or war on terror. Quit taking these people at their word, it's an occupation pure and simple, waged on an "enemy" that had endured 11 years of crippling, genocidal sanctions and weekly sorties from British and American planes. It was an invasion and now it's an occupation. If we persist in calling it a war we will adopt a siege mentality which will incite the public to run to the president for safety and protection. As far as occupations go it is a glorious success, we've installed a puppet government, we've drafted a constitution for them ( no don't trouble yourselves citizens of Iraq, we've got it covered.) and we're building an embassy that makes the mall of American look like a 7/11. We're not moving until Iraq's been sucked dry. Even the civil war is a success story from the point of view of the neocons, and if things aren't stirred up enough we get busy with our big stick...
[Patriotism] ...is a word which always commemorates a robbery.
Mark Twain
happy fourth of july, what a disaster, and yet so many americans are still buying the myths
Get it over with, already!
In the case of the "Iraq War," which ended with the fall of Bagdad, and except for the Rumsfeldian looting, the biginning of the occupation, lead by General Garner [and General Petreus in Mosul], showed promise. But Rummy stepped in to make sure that the Iraqi Army, the career bureucrats [who had to be Baathists], and the professional educators and healthcare providers [who also had to join the Baath party] were put out of work.
So the occupation required hundreds of thousands of so-called coalition of the willing troops. But they were never provided.
Wars are won or lost. Occupations continue or end. As far as the former goes, we won! But the administration's "cabal" made sure that we would have to drain our military resources beyond our means. The occupation has to end. NOW!! The Iraq Study GHroup gave us a plan. Now, with the Sunni's tired of AL Qaeda, and El Sadr ready to bring about an Iran-Iraq theocracy, we have lost the initiative.
We have lost the moral authority to bring about a lasting peace that would have assured the American petroleum inductry the ownership of the oil. Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld-Lieberman have placed Israel, and our need for petroleum products, in greater danger than if Bush's declaration of the end of all combat operations had truly meant our troops were going home. Our administration failed the Iraqi people and our military. Of course they have more private mercenaries than troops there. Maybe "outsourcing" our cause will carry the day yet!
It might shorten things considerably, next time, if the Republicans wear the suicide bomb belts and Osama bin Laden has the Mission Accomplished banner.
"what the US needs now is a guide to how to lose -
Finally, something pRESIDENT Dummy and Vice rPRESIDENT Vintriloquist know how to do.
Oh, and happy independence day to the elite, maybe one day us working people will have one of those too.
"If we were to quit Iraq before the job is done, the terrorists we are fighting would not declare victory and lay down their arms. They would follow us here," Bush said at the West Virginia Air National Guard on this 4th of July.
OK, Mr Bush, just how would they follow us here? Would they come with their aircraft carriers, battleships, tanks, bombers, attack helicopter, and the rest of their war making gear which they have none? So, we, the audience know that this cannot be what you meant.
Or did you mean they would send a dozen or more of their people here to blow things up, as they allegedly did on 9/11? Well, Mr Bush, you've been fighting them there for almost 5 years to a standstill. Don't you think that they can afford to dispatch a dozen people here to blow things up while they're still fighting you there?
Some of your handpicked audience maybe as dumb as you look, but others definitely need your further elaboration.
This is the part of the article that I liked: "how to start thinking about minimising the damage to American interests, saving lives, and ultimately wresting some good from this fiasco".
The thinking has been concluded, because the good that has been wrested for a neocon of either party, is to wrest an oil agreement from the Iraqi parliment. (Ten for me...one for you...twenty for me...one for you".)Then, it's all very well worth it. Fiasco is way too kind.
"You can no more win a war than you can win an earthquake."
(Jeanette Rankin, peace activist).
"I know not with what weapons World War 3 will be fought, but World War 4 will be fought with sticks and stones."
(Einstein)
"Never, never, never believe any war will be smooth and easy, or that anyone who embarks on the strange voyage can measure the tides and hurricanes he will encounter.
The statesman who yields to war fever must realize that once the signal is given, he is no longer the master of policy but the slave of unforeseeable and uncontrollable events."
and:
"One day President Roosevelt told me that he was asking publicly for suggestions about what the war should be called. I said at once 'The Unnecessary War'."
(Winston Churchill)
"Either war is obsolete or men are."
(Buckminster Fuller)
and...
"We're only in Iraq for the oil..."
( -latest admission by the Australian government)
see: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/6272168.stm
Definitions: an 'Insurgent': (noun)
"You, or I, -or any other ordinary human being, who gets just a *tad* upset, when some lying, belligerent lunatic violently invades our country for no legitimate reason, and procedes to murder our friends and family..."
"Shock and Awe" = The US government's Iraq invasion plan.
"Shocking and Awful" = God's plans for the current US leaders.
RE: IRAQ INVASION 'SUCCEEDS' BY GENERATING FUNDAMENTALISM, HATRED, AND TERROR THREAT
fatfreddyscat July 4th, 2007 3:47 pm
"The war in Iraq is a huge success! The war was started specifically to accomplish what it has. To whip up Muslim extremists and swell their ranks. This will insure a nice long "war on terror""
Yes, the right misses the Cold War. But recall the domestic stakes - terror threat is a 'classic' theme and means of right wing control in the U.S.
It is arguable that the Iraq lies were in part motivated by the calculation that a continued 'threat' was necessary to boost Bush's falling poll numbers. As Frank Rich wrote:
October 23, 2005
"Karl and Scooter's Excellent Adventure," Frank Rich, NYT
"Afghanistan had succeeded in its mission to overthrow the Taliban and had done so with minimal American casualties. In a triumphalist speech to the Republican National Committee, Mr. Rove for the first time openly advanced the idea that the war on terror was the path to victory for that November's midterm elections. Candidates ''can go to the country on this issue,'' he said, because voters ''trust the Republican Party to do a better job of protecting and strengthening America's military might and thereby protecting America.'' It was an early taste of the rhetoric that would be used habitually to smear any war critics as unpatriotic.
"But there were unspoken impediments to Mr. Rove's plan that he certainly knew about: Afghanistan was slipping off the radar screen of American voters, and the president's most grandiose objective, to capture Osama bin Laden ''dead or alive,'' had not been achieved. How do you run on a war if the war looks as if it's shifting into neutral and the No.1 evildoer has escaped?
"Hardly had Mr. Rove given his speech than polls started to register the first erosion of the initial near-universal endorsement of the administration's response to 9/11. A USA Today/CNN/Gallup survey in March 2002 found that while 9 out of 10 Americans still backed the war on terror at the six-month anniversary of the attacks, support for an expanded, long-term war had fallen to 52 percent.
"Then came a rapid barrage of unhelpful news for a political campaign founded on supposed Republican superiority in protecting America: the first report (in The Washington Post) that the Bush administration had lost Bin Laden's trail in Tora Bora in December 2001 by not committing ground troops to hunt him down; the first indications that intelligence about Bin Laden's desire to hijack airplanes barely clouded President Bush's August 2001 Crawford vacation; the public accusations by an F.B.I. whistle-blower, Coleen Rowley, that higher-ups had repeatedly shackled Minneapolis agents investigating the so-called 20th hijacker, Zacarias Moussaoui, in the days before 9/11.
"These revelations took their toll. By Memorial Day 2002, a USA Today poll found that just 4 out of 10 Americans believed that the United States was winning the war on terror, a steep drop from the roughly two-thirds holding that conviction in January. Mr. Rove could see that an untelevised and largely underground war against terrorists might not nail election victories without a jolt of shock and awe. It was a propitious moment to wag the dog.
"Enter Scooter, stage right...."
"Richard Lugar led a charge against Mr Bush's policy last week by Republican senators who, like many of their House colleagues, believe the war is seriously harming both the country and their party's 2008 electoral prospects."
Presumably, it's OK with most Republicans if the country goes down the shitter, as long as their re-election prospects remain strong.
Whatever happened to "They hate our freedoms"?
That was a pretty good one, back when we had those freedoms.
Oh well...they're having a huge sale today at Consumer Central.
Well done Americans.
At last you are screaming out. As a Brit I too am ashamed of my government, and the self-interested cabals that runit. Blair is now Peace Envoy to the Middle East!
"Like putting Dracula in charge of a bloodbank" one MP described it.
What a bloody mess we have gotten ourselves into...
Bush has already won - over and over and over - as the Democrats roll over and over and over. Already the history books lauding his achievements are being readied for the presses he and his corporate colleagues have purchased along with a few other trinkets including our rights. Sad thing is, no one cares. Blogs are failures in that they are not actions, The idea is to ease your pain by notes such as this and then go down to the mall for a good time.
For the war profiteers who Bush/Cheney work for, the war is a great victory. They don't give a damn what the people want. With smoke and mirrors they make our totalitarian government look like a democracy, and the invasion/occupation look like a "war on terror".
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"It's not a matter of whether the war is not real, or if it is, Victory is not possible. The war is not meant to be won, it is meant to be continuous. Hierarchical society is only possible on the basis ofpoverty and ignorance. This new version is the past and no different
past can ever have existed. In principle the war effort is always planned to keep society on the brink of starvation. The war is waged by the ruling group against its own subjects and its object is not the victory over either Eurasia or East Asia but to keep the very structure
of society intact." George Orwell
Bush: "Badges? We ain't got no badges. We don't need no badges. I don't have to show you any stinking badges!"
Bu$h the inferior and Shotgun Dick are not worried about how the Iraq war is going.
They are worried that it is unlikely that they will be able to keep the military on the ground protecting their oil interests because the PUBLIC RELATIONS is going against them.
They are now changing the September surge evaluation to a spring evaluation and under cover of the surge getting mercenaries in place.
The Scooter and Gonzales stall situation is acting like a heat shield by absorbing the media air time and rancor they would otherwise be getting on Iraq, torture, domestic spying, Katrina, and fiscal irresponsibility. This may be the reason that everything is a secret about Shotgun Dick.
This may be the first time an administration is actually using corruption, scandals, and court cases to make as much smoke about the scandals they are being attacked on while they redouble their efforts to get into bigger and worse unconstitutional behavior.
In the torrential and increasing flood of obvious impeachable acts and crimes against humanity there appears to be actual protection. You can't get a 30 second sound bite about the reason for impeachment. It would take about an hour of detailed explanation. There is not just one blow job with video of the participants (but of course not the act that wouldn't be as titillating.)
The most dangerous thing that could happen now is that we elect a smoother character that basically continues most of these unconstitutional acts. The Rush and the right wing media gang are trying to come up with a way to blame someone then move on with the program with less clumsy management.
Remember the furious battles and work in this administration have always on the politics by ANY MEANS NECESSARY. The policies and their results are irrelevant.
The Fault and failures in Iraq will be the same today as they were at the end of the Vietnam invasion, the failure of the professioal military both in its commanders and its fighting abilitys because of the lack of political will at home.
It is already being pushed as in last bush Garden talks as to why Iraq has taken so long, read the transcripts, and then he was excused to go meet with Private Security and Industrial contractors on issues involving the war.
The replacements of Generals and field commanders, and not enough equipment, men for their overrating of US military capabilitys.
Don't think so?
What is the most common refrain of Viet Vets on why loss of war, 'the politcos and newspapers would not let us fight to win, and we never lost a battle".
Remember todays Generals were the low ranking officer corps of that time and combine that with the upswing on Viet Warrior recognition today.
No mention of our troops atrocitys and there were litteraly thousands, on justice of war or lies that caused the deaths of over 2 million Vietnamese, just that they could not win.
No mention either that not one wit of criticsm on truth of what is ongoing can be printed by any mainstream journalist unless it is cleard first by those who looked, and still do, upon news media as an enemy and one of the reasons we lost viet war.
We will see more privatization by incorporating Private militia forces, mercenary, with more complicity of special unit operatives alrady an almost seperate branch of military today without congressioanl oversight,to do the job of protecting financial without equivocation and coverage by corporate media.
The Regular military main line forces will remain as power projection forces and as an auxillary to those financial interest.
billybobama, This war is not about oil. It is about the price of oil and who will set that price. It is not about winning anything. It is about a massive flow of wealth from the poor to the rich. As long as the war goes on corporate America will profit at the expense of the US taxpayer. Remember, there is NO LAW requiring the payment of federal income taxes.
Well hey, at least when we do pull out, maybe some of the military spending that went into the war will get cut instead of being re-directed to other projects, and we'll finally not have a deficit?
Just like the billons we saved when Communism died?
I once went to see a wiseman, at least others said he was: I found him to be quite the fool, but even he was wise enough to fool the others.
Fool me once, and shame on me.
Try to fool me twice, and I'll smack you between the eyes.
I agree with billybobama about this President and this war. Because GWB is the President, we subconsciously believe he can't be THAT stupid. As a result we are much more comfortable attributing him with devising elaborate schemes of a New World Order variety.
I don't think the war was solely Dick Cheney's idea. I don't think the war was just about oil. I think the very delusional President thought war would be a piece of cake. We'd be in and out in a few weeks, with Saddam's head on a platter; the country would see that Junior got the job done.
If you look at Bush's history it's incredible that voters could deem him president material. His stupidity is eclipsed only by his ego. The war has dragged on for so long because the President won't leave voluntarily until conditions are such that he can claim victory and justification. He is stupid enough to believe that this is in the realm of possibility.