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Because Pelosi and the Dems were too cowardly to impeach Bush and Cheney, I didn't contribute to the DNC. Now that Obama has won the Presidency, it will be interesting to see what happens because he sought out the TriLateral Commission for support which is an arm of the powerful Bilderberg group who is working to create a global government where the wealthy and powerful rule the world and everyone else are slaves and wear RFID chips.
I know I'm getting a bit off the subject of Pelosi's cowardice, but most people aren't aware of the Bilderbergs which are mostly controlled by David Rockefeller whose goal is world dictatorship. This country and US Constitution means nothing to him. It's a one world nation that the Bilderbergs want to create where there are no longer separate nations and no national borders. The reason most people don't know about them is that they're the most powerful secret group in the world and have complete control of the media as well as most everthing else, i.e. governments, world economy, etc. Very scary!!

I'm not paranoid or a conspiracy theorist or making this up. Read The Bilderberg Group by Daniel Estulin. It's available on Amazon.com. He factually describes who's really running the economy and the politics of the whole world. Bush's father and Bush's cabinet are all involved in the Bilderberg group as is or was Jimmy Carter, the Clintons, and Henry Kissinger who has been a very active member for many years. The reason Ron Paul was so ignored during the Republican Convention is that he's a true independent, not affiliated with any of these powerful, amoral groups. Read the book and wake up!

Hi Nancy. I'm a US citizen domiciled in the UK, which is why my 'zip code' (we call it a post code here) looks a little strange.

The subject of my message is the same as that of a lot of the messages I imagine you're receiving at the moment: impeachment. You've chosen to come at this from a position of political calculation rather than principle, a a position I think I understand even though I strongly disagree with it. But even as a political calculation I think it's wrong.

Why do you think so many Republicans changed their vote from for to against tabling Kucinich's resolution on Tuesday? I'm afraid I can only guess since I can't find any compolete information on what happened anywhere in the media. The standard line in the NY Times and elsewhere is that they did it to embarrass you and, for the moment, I'm buying that. The tip-toeing around Republicans that you and the mainstream of the Democratic party now do, and of which your opposition to impeachment emblematic, is just what the Republicans want - not just because it allows them to get away with so much but because it makes you, as a party, look weak. Kerry's lack of aggression in countering his critics and slanderers is another example of this. This stuff makes your base depressed. There's nothing wrong with a bit of fiery indignation when justice is on your side. At a time when democracy is more under threat even than it was in the McCarthy era, we're waiting for a Joseph Welch to stand up to these people with a hearty 'Have you no decency, sir? At long last, have you no decency?' and instead all we get is you grey little mousy beaurocrats who never seem to have anything worthwhile to say. Sorry. You may not feel that's what you're doing, but that's how it's coming across. And less this sound like nothing but a lot of wide-eyed idealism on my part (and, say, Ralph Nader's) let me make this extremely clear: the reason we want more from you is not just that we're defending an abstract principle or that we're angry; we're also bloody scared. You're supposed to be defending us and the structures that protect us and we do not see that happening at all.

The technical flaws in your position are beautifully addressed here:

http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/07/04/2289/

Be good. And if you can't be completely good, at least stop being so mortifyingly careful.

all the best,
John Moseley

kathyodat: I think we all need to start now. I'm trying, I think you and many others are too.

Its just it will not work unless "everybody" works together. I hope it can be.

Peace,
Ken Hausle

I simply can't understand the House Democratic leadership's
continued aversion to impeachment.
If Congress fails to impeach the leaders of the current administration, doesn't it ensure that BushCo.'s legacy of abuse of power will and can continue under future, Democratic or Republican, Presidencies?
What will future political power mongers have to fear, if not removal from office?
Pelosi and Reid must be thinking not-so-deep, obtuse thoughts on impeachment, thoughts that reach only as far as November 2008: a very poor strategy for both the Democrats and the entire country because the horrendous
problems created by our current leaders will be needing correction long past 2008.

"Heaven on earth". I have a bookmark, a little girl holding a globe (earth)and the saying "Hurt not the Earth, neither the sea, nor the trees. - Revelations 7:3. I'm not Christian, nor attached to the Bible, but there are some things in it I like to reflect on and this is one of them.

Al Gore says we have 10 years to change what we're doing, but I think he's thinking inside the box. What I have observed is that every time the scientists evaluate global warming, especially melting ice sheets and disappearing permafrost, they are horrified to see that their projections are underestimating the rate of change - EVERY TIME. They keep changing their projections of how fast things are changing to faster and faster. They keep finding new new things happening as a result of old things happening. Such as, the glaciers are melting. Then they discovered that as the glaciers melted, water formed underneath, creating a water slide effect, dramatically accelerating the rate of slide into the sea. What's next? I have a little button that says: Remember, Nature Bats Last. I think a big problem with mankind is an arrogant know-it-all attitude in it's thinking. I think people have some sort of magical thinking that we can somehow save ourselves from a catastrophe. But not always. Sometimes we let it go too far.

I can see what the richest 1% are doing. If they end up with 90% of the world's wealth, they will end up with 90% of the world's energy resources, clean water, livable environment (even if manmade). Whatever happens to the rest of humanity doesn't matter to them. Americans could rise up and change all this, but they're walking around acting lobotomized. Not all, but there's a huge mass of inertia in this country. And we're on the way to becoming a toothless tiger, financially. We talk about the corporations, but who owns these corporations? The richest 1%. Why do we let them have all this power? We outnumber them. Dennis Kucinich knows what we need to do, but he's marginalized.

Civilizations have come and gone, leaving only traces of their existence. Will we be one of those?

Dave Lindorff: I just wish to thank you for interacting with the forum. It's refreshing. Hopefully the work of this website is organic, and our views grow on account of "cross pollination" of ideas. Any who enter with their mind already made up (this is not in reference to you) arrive, as a shaman teacher of mine once advised, "with their cup already full."

Com_n_sense - I think Jesus, Mohammad, Buddha, etc. (lets leave John Wayne out of it) could be most compelling.

Perhaps we are in a prison, perhaps not. Have you ever been contained for real? In a place where many choices were taken away from you against your will, and your freedom of movement was restricted? That is a prison.

Think about how "pleasant" many of our lives are compared to how it was for folks just a few centuries ago. But like a cell culture, humanity's "success" could be our downfall, if we don't start getting sensible. We can all look around and obseve what is happening, and like you implied in your excellent post:

*** IT JUST ISN'T FAIR ***

Many, many, MANY People are needlessly & shamefully suffering and it could be so much better. Almost like "heaven on earth". But, and this is a big but, if things don't start turning around SOON (like NOW), I'm concerned we might end up with the opposite.

Nancy Pelosi, I do hope you are aware, because as fate would have it, you are the "Speaker" at this crucial moment. Come on, it should be obvious what needs to be done. Wake up women. Think about the People - all of US. Think about your own family (now and in the future). This is most serious (I'd say "critical"), and time is of the essence.

Peace,
Ken Hausle
* I support HRes333 - Impeach the VP *
** I plan on doing some serious WALKING & TALKING & Shoulder Rubbing **

So far, I'm going to vote for Dennis Kucinich in the primary. After that I don't know, but I really want to see the Greens emerge as a third party, with public campaign financing.

Look, if Jesus, Mohammad, Buddha, and the the ghost of John Wayne popped out of bush's pillow cushion and told him to get our of Iraq, if these deities pleaded before Congress and Senate to stop making war, stop polluting, and stop treating corporations as if they were people, and treating people like they don't matter. Give everyone health care, food to eat, shelter and a chance to learn. And there WILL be a limit on what any one person, company, or corporation can own, how much wealth they can accumulate and power they can yield. And we don't care if you call that communism, socialism, or whatever, we call it fair. If they went on and told us that it's stupid to have private banks, who's CEO's are unknown and unanswerable to anyone, to print our money and loan our money back to us at rates loan sharks would envy. Still nothing would change.

We don't have countries anymore. We have mega-multi-international-corporations (MMIC)that control governments that give us the illusion that we have a say in the affairs at hand. There is NOTHING democratic about a corporation.

Pelosi, Waxman, Conyers, aren't listening to us. They don't work for us. They're shills. The very few brave enough to stand-up to MMIC are marginalized or murdered. The MMIC owns or controls most of the government, the military, the police, the courts, the churches, the media, most of what you eat, drink, wear, drive and live. Until we stop buying their products, until we allow the people to have more power than all the corporations combined, instead of the other way around, and until we tear down the walls that have been built around our own humanity we're all fools in a prison of no walls.

Unfortunately our system is too far gone for a self-repair via instituted laws. I fear that only violent uprising will unseat the rapacious troglodytes who currently have the United States tightly within their blood-soaked talons. It appears, through a historical comparison, that we are on track to see our own version of the French Revolution come knocking in the not-to-distant future.

Unless, of course, something snaps and the Amerikan public arouses from its deep dark trance. What are the odds?

Digby is wrong on multiple counts.

First of all, if the president has committed impeachable acts--and he certainly has committed dozens of grave ones--then Congress must impeach him. The Constitution doesn't say they may impeach, it says the 'shall' impeach. And for good reason.

Second, there is no way Digby or anyone can say that it is impossible for impeachment to win in the House. People said the same thing when impeachment bills were filed against Nixon. It's the hearings on impeachment which sway people. In Nixon's judiciary hearings, Republicans were won over by the testimony, and ended up joining Democrats to vote out three articles--one unanimously.

Third, it is wholly inappropriate to even consider what happens in the Senate when deciding whether to initiate impeachment. The constitution doesn't even require that the Senate try an impeached president. They have the option to hold a trial. Impeachment is its own punishment, and it emblazons a Scarlet Letter "I" on the administration that is impeached, forever condemning the actions of the impeached executive as a warning to future presidents not to go there. (How long do you think it will be before another president gets a blow-job from an intern in the oval office?).

And anyhow, if and when we had an impeachment hearing on Bush or Cheney, and the evidence of their criminality came out on national television, live, as happened with the Nixon hearings, who's to say that Republicans in the Senate, looking at a looming '08 election, wouldn't throw the bastard overboard and vote to remove--or more likely, pressure him to quit, like Republicans in the Senate did to Nixon?

This scenario isn't far fetched at all. Nixon was a popular president who had just won re-election two years earlier in a landslide. Bush is now the least popular president in the nation's history.

Can't be impeached and removed?

Sez who?

The problem with Democrats is that they have no guts and no principles.

Dave LIndorff
www.thiscantbehappening.net

TheLastJew July 6th, 2007 3:42 am

The animosity toward Pelosi is misplaced.

Think so. She is impeding impeachment of an individual that has spied on the American people without warrants, imprisoned American citizens and held them for years without charges or trial, violated his oath of office, violated the fourth, fifth, sixth. and eighth amendments to the Constitution, violated the Geneva conventions, and violated the U.N. charter.

"Digby, one of the best bloggers, wrote, "Has there ever been a president who deserved it more? I don't think so." Yet she opposes the move to 'peach because she considers 1) it would be highly unlikely to pass the House;"

Unlikely to pass the House? How so? The Democrats have a majority in the House which is all it takes to impeach. Is Pelosi claiming that she is so ineffective as Speaker that she cannot deliver those votes? If so why is she Speaker?

"it is impossible that the senate would convict;"

Simply not so. Nobody knows how the Senate would vote until they did so. What we do know is that 20 Republican Senators are up for re-election in 2008. Concern for their own career could well overide their desire to save Bush.

"the consequences of failure would strengthen the Administration."

There is no proof of that, only speculation by one individual. The fact is that it would be just as likely to further weaken his remaining time in office as it would be to do anything else.

"Unlike the case of Nixon, in which the facts were on the table, in the present case the case will have to be built through investigation, and this will be very slow, considering the delaying tactics available to the White House."

Pure b*llsh*t Bush has already admitted publicly to violating the 1978 FISA act and it has already been ruled in Federal court that he not only violated the Fisa act but by doing so also violated the Fourth Amendment to the Constitution.

And in doing that he also violated his oath of office in which he swore on a bible to defend and uphold the Constitution.

No investigation is needed to bring these charges.

Lobo Gris

The animosity toward Pelosi is misplaced. Consider:

What is the likelihood that impeachment would succeed? and What is the likelihood that, if it does, the senate would convict? And what would be the consequences of a failure to remove Cheney and Bush from office?

Digby, one of the best bloggers, wrote, "Has there ever been a president who deserved it more? I don't think so." Yet she opposes the move to 'peach because she considers 1) it would be highly unlikely to pass the House; 2) it is impossible that the senate would convict; and 3) the consequences of failure would strengthen the Administration.

Unlike the case of Nixon, in which the facts were on the table, in the present case the case will have to be built through investigation, and this will be very slow, considering the delaying tactics available to the White House.

You can read Digby's trenchant argument here:
http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2007/07/impeachment-by-digby-has-there-ever.html

Rebel Farmer July 5th, 2007 1:48 pm

"Lobo Gris: You can e-mail directly to Pelosi at AmericanVoices@mail.house.gov

You can also call ANYONE in Congress toll free at any of these numbers: 800-828-0498, 800-459-1887 or 800-614-2803"

Thanks Rebel. I tried contacting her and the only reply I got stated that House protocol prevented her from replying to me and that she was forwarding my comment to my congressman.

Now I am going to contribute to her opponents campaign, whoever that might be, and offer to volunteer to work for them in whatever capacity I can be of use to them over the internet.

Lobo Gris

The only hope we have at all is Dr. Ron Paul, he is the only one that speaks the truth.
http://www.ronpaul2008.com/

PLEASE CALL your senate/congress people once per week & tell them to impeach the war criminals in the white house: Bush, Cheney, Rice, & Gonzalez.
http://www.votetoimpeach.org

Most of us agree that we cannot depend on the Dems and need a third party. The largest, fastest growing and international third party is the Green Party, the grassroots party that takes no corporate bribes and represents ALL our progressive values:

Ten Key Values of the Green Party:

Grassroots Democracy

Social Justice

Ecological Wisdom

Non-violence

Decentralization

Community-based Economics

Feminism

Diversity

Responsibility

Future Focus

http://www.gp.org/

Excuse me, Dennis Kucinich introduced Articles of Impeachment against Cheney quite a while back and so far has 11 supporters. I email my Congresswoman weekly as well as Pelosi to support it, HR 333.
We all know he needed to be impeached a long time ago, but how to do it..that's the question..we have got to get Congress to support this. I cannot think of another approach. You?
And to do this..we do need to raise hell!

Impeach, impeach... blahblahblah...
I signed the petition, write my senators, but I think we all get it by now: Democrats/Republicans= the same rotten thing, and they've alienated at least 60% of us- we don't like Bush or his war; they have our approval to impeach, yet they do NOTHING, because they are one in the same- it's now the People vs. Them, because they've distanced themselves completely from the needs of the People, worrying too much about which special interest they owe what favor (Pelosi is well known for this).
I heard about a Canadian radio station interview, where a woman from Chili pointed out that in the USA, the people complain, "Stop, we don't like that"- and then think that's enough, they've somehow made difference. She said, in Chili, when the People have a problem- they make themselves KNOWN! There is no confusion about the level of their angst, or their capacity to just keep taking it- they raise hell!

Maybe Impeaching Pelosi will put Impeachment back on the table.

Why don't "we the people" (especially we the progressive people) get together and form a 'corporation' for the purpose of 'influencing' our representatives. Perhaps if we all pitched in $10 or so to our 'incorporation' we would then have enough 'influence' (in millions of $) to get our 'representatives' to do what they ought to do. In other words, perhaps we have come to the point where we must bribe our 'elected' 'representatives' to do the right thing. Send that great speach by Ken Hausle to Pelosi with a little influence, if you know what I mean.

Goose2 says: "Our progressive candidates can't win over Republicans in any meaningful way.".

Is "meaning" not in the eye of the "be-thinker"? I would argue that the "safest" way for any "new" progressive party to get started is SLOWLY & STEADILY so as to avoid too much confusion in the beginning causing the "party values" to cloud and petty conflicts to increase. A few national victories might be all it takes to "capture the public's attention" (as least for awhile). Then if the message resonates.....well, all sorts of things can happen.

I know personally, and I have already publically stated this, I disavow any past affiliation I had with the Democratic Party. I have joined the Green Party in North Carolina even though the party is not "qualified" (strictly speaking my voter card will read "unaffiliated"). This qualification process seems important, and this is something I hope to be involved in. Everyone needs to make personal choices, and I think folks choices in next little while are going to be most critical.

Peace,
* I support HRes333 - Impeach the VP *
***** time is of the essence *****

Lobo Gris: You can e-mail directly to Pelosi at AmericanVoices@mail.house.gov

You can also call ANYONE in Congress toll free at any of these numbers: 800-828-0498, 800-459-1887 or 800-614-2803

Ken Hessle: I LOVE your Pelosi announcement! Wonderfull. Lets all make a copy and e-mail to Nancy as a suggestion. Use the above e-mail address if you are not in her district.

Thanks Ken

rsliverpool: I think Clinton was impeached, but not convicted. Impeachment is just an accusation and is dependent upon a simple majority vote in the House.

ES/KP/??: who knows.....good/bad often depends on context doesn't it....

Peace,
Ken Hausle
* I support HRes333 - Impeach the VP *
***** time is of the essence *****

I noticed a few here refered to blow jobs. I'm not up on a lot of political terms, what are blow jobs, is it something good or something bad? I'm learning a lot of things since I logged on to CD here.

Hey Russ (from 7/4) Neither Nixon nor Clinton were actually impeached. Nixon resigned before the vote, and the senate vote on Clinton's impeachment was defeated.

Unknown-Arts.org: Thanks for teaching me a new word: "vermiculate" meaning: full of worms.

So true. In fact, it reminds me of my compost bin which I just got to the bottom of yesterday. It was indeed full of worms and I spread those worms all over my yard. Perhaps like worms in a compost bin the slimy truth of DC needs to be spread out on a TABLE for all to see. I bet you the People could handle it. In fact, it would be cathartic.

Anyhow, I have a fresh idea for "miss pp" (politician pelosi). Here goes.

*****

1. The women who claims to be the People's speaker announces she has a BIG announcement.

2. Then let the speculation fly for a day or two -- its good for publicity.

3. At the designated time, come to the mike and say: Constitutionally, "The House of Representives" is specifically intended to be beholden to and representative of the People's will. As Speaker of the House I have been entrusted by the majority party with great responsibility to assure that this will is recognized and acted upon. When this responsibility was vested in me, I had made a judgement that it was in the interest of the People to "take impeachment of the table". I thought it would be too disruptive. However, given what I have since learned and what has transpired, I now realize that I made mistake. Unlike those individuals occupying the office of Vice President and President, I am willing to admit it when I make a mistake. (wait for applause to diminish).

4. I come in front of you today acknowledging that the very fabric of this country is in serious jeopardy. We have lost our way, and as the People have been saying for some time: "We are on the wrong track". For if those occupying the highest elected offices of the land refuse to abide by the rule of law, then our constitution becomes nothing more than "a piece of paper", and our country is in risk of anarchy. I do not make these statements lightly, but serious times call for frank communication. (pause for effect).

5. Thus today, in appropriate deference to the People of the United States as well as this country's best ideals, I have concluded that I must put impeachment on the table. Starting with House Resolution 333 (Impeachment of the Vice President), I have instructed committees to begin the process and to put forth all earnest effort towards this sadly necessary undertaking.

6. People of the United States, as your speaker I feel I must communicate that this will be a most disruptive process, and our government will never be the same afterwards. However, this disruption pales in comparison to what might occur if we fail to act. I ask for your support during these trying times for if we work together with a cooperative spirit, we can emerge from this process better than before and ready to bravely face and find solutions to the many unprecedented perils of the time. Thank-you.

*****

Ms. Pelosi, oh but if only. You would have my support and the support of many. So the only question now in my mind is: are you one of the worms who needs to be spread out on the soil, or are you something of deeper substance?

Peace,
Ken Hausle
* I support HRes333 - Impeach the VP
***** time is of the essence *****

The future is with a mass independent third party challenge to the imperialist war, a party itself rooted in the organizations and community forums of the working class majority, or there is no future.

"Boy is this party in for a rue awakening next election: no one likes a bunch of cowards."

What awakening? Are we going to vote them out so that the Republicans win? Our progressive candidates can't win over Republicans in any meaningful way. Where is this awakening going to come from?

George W. Bush Movin' Out Campaign

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aB6PNTKM2xg

B.ush
U.S.
S.oldiers
H.ome!

Clinton's sanctions killed almost as many as Bush's bombs. Not to mention Clinton's bombs in Baghdad violated the UN charter and had no approval from the necessary people. Obama, Hillary are OK with using nukes, this is just as scary as Rudy.

I will not vote for a republican.

I will not vote for a democrat.

The Democrats are about power, just as the Republicans are--two sides of the same coin. We should boot the lot of these lazy, corrupt parasites out of office. I'll only vote 3rd Party from now on!

Unknown-Arts.org July 5th, 2007 6:29 am

"Pelosi and her cohorts won't impeach, because impeachment of George Bush wouldn't be about a blow job. It would be about who runs the country and how. If we started trying Bush and Cheney, the can of worms that would open up would reveal a vermiculate democracy."

In a nutshell!

Republicans and Democrats alike have "sold out" to the corporate elite and in the process are destroying our Constitution. As many have stated, "the real fight is no longer between the left and right, it's between liberty and tyranny."

After the bipartisan support of the Patriot Act, Military Commissions Act, suspension of Habeas Corpus and the like, if Democrats don't take the necessary action to restore a "constitutional government" in this country, they won't be getting the voter support they're expecting in the 2008 election.

A one world government controlled by the corporate elite isn't going to solve the critical problems the U.S. and the rest of the world are facing; and the citizens of developed countries will not continue to tolerate the destruction of their liberties, freedom and livelihoods to become surfs of the corporate elite.

The American Media loves a circus. Give them Paris Hilton, or OJ Simpson. Give them an impeachment, as long as it is about SEX and not about the political machinations of this country. Nancy Pelosi doesn't want to play it safe to win in 2008. The Democrats have played the "safe" card so many times in the last 20 years and BOMBED (no, not in that sense) every time they've done it. Democrats are not STUPID, they just have OTHER PRIORITIES. Nancy Pelosi has to please those that brought her to office, and that does not mean the voters of her district. It means the corporate backers who bankrolled her campaign. Sure, they bankrolled the Republicans, too. They weren't showing her any special favor, but she knows that if she doesn't do what they demand of her, they will WITHDRAW favor. She won't be re-elected with their money. She won't be offered swell jobs with lobbying firms if she fails in her next election. She won't be made consultant by oil companies, or pharmaceutical companies, or whoever's turn it is to pay back a politician for good behavior. Pelosi isn't concerned about the next election in the way that we would like to imagine. If her constituents vote her out of office, it is not hardship for her, as long as she hasn't offended the "favor-granters" who employ all good politicians after a life of "public" service.

Pelosi and her cohorts won't impeach, because impeachment of George Bush wouldn't be about a blow job. It would be about who runs the country and how. If we started trying Bush and Cheney, the can of worms that would open up would reveal a vermiculate democracy. There are (were?) illusions and pretenses, but, just beneath the surface, there are labryrinthine tunnels which we are neither permitted to see, nor navigate. These are the tunnels through which "our" representatives travel, as they move from corporate lobbyists, to public officials, or government regulators of the very industries for whom they lobbied, and then they crawl back again to their original employers, well-paid stars of the Corporate world, valued for their access to political clout.

Pelosi shrugs off the Constitution because it is a vague and distant notion in her political reality. It is an idea that we teach to school children--to these babes of democracy--too immature to understand the true workings of government. And that is how the public is viewed: An entity too immature to know the realities of public life. We cannot be exposed because we are too naive to view the complexities of a real world government and we would be easily offended by the deals made in our name. Better that we are kept in ignorance. And a trial might well expose us to the secrets of how Haliburton won the Executive Branch. Or how the stolen elections of 2000 and 2004 were arranged largely by Corporations responsible for voting machines and voter databases. We might know that the secretaries of state across the nation were bought out by the makers of the voting machines so that they would not contest the stolen elections. We might know that our men and women in uniform, alongside countless Iraqis, are dying to protect "our resources under theirs sand", or to prop up the WAR INDUSTRY. Surely, we babes in democracy could not take such insights without anger. Without demanding change. We might, in fact, dismantle the entire system of corporate privilege and, to paraphrase what Kissinger wisely said of a government's civic responsibility: We cannot sit idly by and let a free and democratic people decide to have the government of their choosing.

Bush and Cheney play zero sum, high stakes poker at every turn. They act outrageously, refusing to obey the law, the Constitution, submit to Congressional inquiries or even the ruling of the courts. They DARE the Congress to impeach them at every turn knowing full well that no one, no matter how much that person screams and yells, is going to counter with any kind of credible threat backed up by real action. They know their opponents will always back down whether its funding for the troops (Halliburton actually) or impeach. As a negotiator, Pelosi became an enabler the day she announced that impeachment was off the table. If she had been a savvy leader she would have held that opinion to herself and never let her opponents know that she had made that decision. Instead, like a cop watching a car about to run a red light she said, "Go ahead, if you run it I'll never pull you over." The administration, metaphorically, knowing this continually runs the red light while Democrats piss and moan about how often the red light has been run but when they refuse to be a traffic cop on the beat the abusers of the law don't care about how they 'feel' about it.

Trippen, you got it.

It won't be Giuliani, it could be Hillary, but right now I would wager on Obama. It could change inthe nexxt year. Obama would be easier to control by the men who actually rule us, of course they likely already have Hillary in rein. It could be Hillary/Obama. Thet're both lawyers and both are highly electable. The power bosses likely want a Democrat in for awhile and there will be no war in Iran. Not unless it starts by a mistake on Irans part.

The true rulers of the United States have allowed the media to attack Bush now. Those commentators have wanted this for years and now they will have a field day. We may even see an impeachment, but that is not very likely. They don't want Cheney in there either, and impeaching them both would be a three ring circus and a Chinese fire drill combined. Too messy and too many other guilty people involved. People who know too much.

Our silent rulers don't want a war in Iran, they know it would be the end of the United States, it would create a world wide depression and they would lose everything and have no safe place to run. You can only carry so much gold and our paper money would be worthless. The people in foreign lands where they have their mansions and villas would know who they were. They would be hated and killed, by servants or government agents of that country, or they'd possibly end up hiding in a dirt hole like Saddam did.

Anyway, that is guessing, but they do not want another war, it would not be profitable like the war in Iraq was supposed to be and Bush and Cheney have made too many mistakes, they're done. They will finish thieir terms, take their loot and retire. Cheney may retire whenhe gits his pace maker overhaul this month.

That is how I see it shaping up, but you never can tell, "sometimes", fate interviens. I lived near Moonachie many years ago, that was when Secacus smelled like a bunch of dead bodies. Cheers, Kem Patrick

Evelyn, you're scaring me, because try as I might to not want to go there, two stolen elections in a row is starting to emerge as a pattern.

This one is stolen right from the get-go. No candidate of either party within reach of the Presidency (at least, within reach according to the corporate media) is going to end this occupation in Iraq. So what choice do we have? The election is fixed before we even get started.

That said, it is inconceivable that general disgust with feckless spineless Democrats could lead us to a situation where we once again hand the election over to the neocon death machine. The planet simply cannot endure it. It would mean widening of the war to Iran at a minimum, and the stakes go up from there, not to mention the complete degradation of society here at home as wages and benefits evaporate and health care runs out of control.

The 90,000 Florida votes for Nader in 2000 made the margin small enough for Bush to steal the election, and the consequences have been disastrous. So, this time, once the nominee is selected, no matter how many times we've been poked in the eye with a sharp stick, we simply must block the Republicans in the swing states. Protest votes for third parties can occur only in states safely in the Democratic column. Either that, or we're all screwed.

Can you imagine Giuliani as President? Christ -- I lived on the Jersey side while he was mayor, and he was on the news every night: lemme tell ya, this guy is a freakin' thug. He simply cannot become President -- neither can any of the others in that freak show who are all trying to out-facist each other just to get the blessing of their "religious" base.

I wrote Pelosi and was ignored. The letter of reply stated that House protocol prevented her from replying to me and that my comments would be forwarded to my Congressman.

What I am going to do us this;

I am going to find out who is opposing Pelosi in 2008. I then intend to donate money to their campaign and to volunteer to do whatever work I can for them. And yup, it'll be a Republican but 1 more out of 435 members won't change the balance but it will hopefully get Pelosi out of office.

Anyone who believes that it isn't worth it to pursue impeachment of someone who has violated federal law, their oath of office, the United States Constitution, and international treaties IMO has no business claiming to represent me or others in Congress.

Lobo Gris

For what it is worth, here is our letter to Pelosi when we got a letter for their "million Dollar March. I'm sure it hit the shredder right next to the Constitution
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Nancy Pelosi, Speaker:

You must be out of your mind, asking us to fall for your lies again! We elected and re-elected Democratic candidates to get us out of Iraq and Afghanistan, and to clean up the cesspool that Washington D.C. has become. We asked you to impeach and remove the war criminals from their posts; Cheney, Bush, and the whole gang.

We asked for the return of the Constitution and Bill of Rights, intact and functioning, to the Halls of Government. We asked for the return of habeas corpus. We asked for the misnamed Patriot Act to be terminated. We asked for an end to imperial ambitions for the United States. We asked for an end to torture and gulags. We asked that the runaway Pentagon budget be trimmed and the money saved be put back into critical services for the people. We asked for an end to illegal surveillance of the American people.

What have we gotten for our votes and support? You've given Bush still more dictatorial power, should he desire to use it. We are all at risk of becoming "enemy combatants" at the whim of Bush and his minions, for the crime of speaking out, defending the Constitution, appearing at a protest.

You've given him an almost open budget to prosecute his illegal war, you've caved in on setting any deadline to get out. You have refused to forbid him to start yet another disastrous war with Iran or Syria.

You've blithely condemned a minimum of two thousand more of our kids to die and another ten thousand to be maimed in mind and body, just so you can play political games for another year. You tied the minimum wage bill into this travesty, where people will not get their much vaunted increase until 2009, and at that, only in dribbles of a few cents more each year.

Then you have the unmitigated gall to trumpet how much you have accomplished!

Millions of us have signed the pledge not to vote for anybody who has voted to prolong the war. We won't! Prepare to return to private life, for as representatives of the people, you are a total failure.

And then you have yet more unmitigated gall to ask for more money? I wouldn't give you the sweat off my brow, let alone any other part of my anatomy.

We will look for people to really represent us. Take your ill-gotten gains and get out! The only reason you won't impeach is that you are afraid it will come back to bite you, and we hope to God it does.

With complete contempt and disgust,
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The Populist Party might be a good way to go. Their platform is good, if they can get some candidates that will stand on the platform.

Whatever we're doing right now is sure a bust!

To everyone who is as pissed as I am that Bush/Cheney are still in office, make sure you do a few simple things besides adding comments to sites like this one. As many others here have said, we the people have to do what our elected officials are too spineless to do. Luckily, that same spinelessness means politicians will always side with whatever a strong majority of their constituents want. So, if you haven't already taken the steps below, please do so immediately:

1) Go to impeachbush.org and add your vote to impeach Bush/Cheney so the powers that be can see how many of us there are. And add a donation if you're able to so they can place ads, etc. to keep the pressure to impeach going.
2) Contact your senator and your representative and let them know you expect them to get the impeachment process started and vote for impeachment of Bush/Cheney (and tell them if they don't then they won't get your vote next time around).
3) Participate in anti-war and pro-impeachment marches, either locally, or if you're able to, in D.C. Nothing scares the powers that be more than seeing that the people really are rising up!
4) Pass steps 1-3 along to all of your friends, relatives, acquaintances, etc. and ask them to do the same if they care about this country.

Americans, through apathy and/or indifference, have allowed this secretive (& unelected) zealot president to manipulate our rights by tolerating the senate's acceptance of dubious and potentially dangerous justices--even after the politically motivated & disasterous Supreme Court 2000 intervention which planted him in office. This has enabled unprecedented abuses including countless environmental sellouts, manipulation of science to impede environmental reforms, impediments of family planning and medical programs, & the list goes on.

The gravity of these unprecedented abuses eclipse the Lewensky scaandel which led to an impeachment, & are more serious than Watergate which brought down a presidency.

Obviusly, Pelosi and the spineless dems are in bed with the corporations who have bought and paid for them and the repubs.
It is time for a revolution by WE THE PEOPLE.
I truly believe that this is the only way we can get rid of the whole corrupt bunch.

http://speaker.gov/contact/

Everyone is entitled to harangue Pelosi not just her constituents.

Office of the Speaker
H-232, US Capitol
Washington, DC 20515
(202) 225-0100

http://speaker.gov/contact/

What next election Trippin? There are no elections with a Fascism form of government, unless the rulers allow it. Then they must also insure, that all of the votes are legally counted.

Whenever the people allow any coporations, or any group of people and or, any individual or clique, to become so powerful where they own the government, essentially that is Fascism.

{We The People} As a nation of free people, we have lost our freedoms, our endowed rights and our Constitution. We slept___ while the liars and thieves crept in.

The thieves now have their mercenaries, the money and they contol the media, the transportation and the distribution of goods.

Our only hope as a nation of "free" people, is to have the impeachment process initiated, or "hope" there wil be another election. Hope is a very nice, four letter word. Without action, hope is just that. "We hope".

A question for speaker Pelosi;

How can you tell if impeachment is off the table when the table is buried by three feet of in Bush administration B.S.?

I would guess an impeachment effort would be far more likely to succeed now than it was last January. In addition to the Libby commutation and the disastrous appointments that keep coming, members of his own party must also notice how cavalierly Bush trashes laws enacted by Congress with his "signing statements." (How about a law, guys, that negates any statement that is not in agreement with the law? The prez is not allowed to make law; only the Congress is.)

Most Republicans respect the Constitution, the rule of law, the separation of powers, and realize that their constituents do, too. Those who do not (the Liebermans and other neocon Friends of Dick and George) would surely no longer be in the majority of either house.

Give it a shot!!! (Perhaps Cheney first, then Bush.)

Argggggggghhhh! When will all this 'rationalizing' of the insanity stop!!!!

The Democratic party never existed to serve the people, only a part of the people. Now it's not even doing that. It exists only to protect the so-called Republican party and the corporate billionaire elite from popular rage. After voting for "anybody but Bush" (Kerry) in 2004 I'm ripe to support a left-liberal third party in 2008. Neither Sen. Clinton nor Sen. Obama is interested in standing up for ordinary folks or withdrawing from Iraq, so I'm not voting for either of them.

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure."
Thomas Jefferson
1743 - 1826

The poor old tree is looking tireder and more droopy each day!

mabey pelosi is 'sharing a cigar' with bush in the oval office. LOL!!!! another reason for impeachment!!! knowwudimeen??

We can't wait for Congress to impeach this administration. We MUST do it ourselves, for the future of our country. We, the people, have so much more power than we think. Waiting for others to take action is abdicating our power to those who won't use it for the betterment of our country. Therefore, it is up to us to do the job that our elected representatives have clearly stated "is not worth it".

Let us commemorate this, our country's 231st anniversary, by impeaching this administration for "high crimes and misdemeanors" and keeping alive the revolutionary spirit of our founders, who, surely, this day, must be rolling in their graves at what has become of this country that they fought so hard to give birth to, at the very peril of their lives and fortunes.

Remember, the opening words of our founding documents read, "We, the People....." That's us, folks, you, me and everyone else. NEVER forget that.

She (Pelosi) then goes on to say, "The President isn't worth it…he's not worth impeaching. We've got important work to do."

Wow, how shortsighted and vainglorious this Speaker truly is. Bush is the result of the Nixon pardon and look where we are now just thirty years later. Impeach these bastards for the sake of the constitution not just because you can or can't. Preserve our institutions in spite of the Bush/Cheney damage already done. Impeach for peace. Impeach for justice. Impeach as a future deterrent to those criminal administrations, like the current one who are lurking and waiting for their chance at the brass ring. Eat a Peach and Impeach for Peace

Pelosi is the worst kind of enabler to this alcoholic drug addict. The kind that can be counted on not to ever do anything. Boy is this party in for a rue awakening next election: no one likes a bunch of cowards.

This can be a defining moment for Democrats. Commuting Libby is such an impeachable offense, and one that resonates with every American who believes in fairness as most do. After all, our system of justice is supposed to be blind.

Pelosi has the opportunity of putting Republicans on the spot. Would they condone what Bush did by voting against impeachment? But Democrats are spectacularly capable of self-sabotage, so I'm not expecting anything from them except some scolding words.

Draft Impeachment Resolution against President George W. Bush
by FRANCIS A. BOYLE
professor of law, University of Illinois School of Law

108th Congress H.Res.XX
1st Session
Impeaching George Walker Bush, President of the United States, of high crimes and misdemeanors.
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IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
January __, 2007
Mr./Ms. Y submitted the following resolution; which was referred to the Committee on Judiciary.
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A RESOLUTION
Impeaching George Walker Bush, President of the United States, of high crimes and misdemeanors.
Impeaching George Walker Bush, President of the United States, of high crimes and misdemeanors.
Resolved, That George Walker Bush, President of the United States is impeached for high crimes and misdemeanors, and that the following articles of impeachment be exhibited to the Senate:
Articles of impeachment exhibited by the House of Representatives of the United States of America in the name of itself and of all of the people of the United States of America, against George Walker Bush, President of the United States of America, in maintenance and support of its impeachment against him for high crimes and misdemeanors.
ARTICLE I
In the conduct of the office of President of the United States, George Walker Bush, in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully to execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, and in violation of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, has attempted to impose a police state and a military dictatorship upon the people and Republic of the United States of America by means of "a long Train of Abuses and Usurpations" against the Constitution since September 11, 2001. This subversive conduct includes but is not limited to trying to suspend the constitutional Writ of Habeas Corpus; ramming the totalitarian U.S.A. Patriot Act through Congress; the mass-round-up and incarceration of foreigners; kangaroo courts; depriving at least two United States citizens of their constitutional rights by means of military incarceration; interference with the constitutional right of defendants in criminal cases to lawyers; violating and subverting the Posse Comitatus Act; unlawful and unreasonable searches and seizures; violating the First Amendments rights of the free exercise of religion, freedom of speech, peaceable assembly, and to petition the government for redress of grievances; packing the federal judiciary with hand-picked judges belonging to the totalitarian Federalist Society and undermining the judicial independence of the Constitution's Article III federal court system; violating the Third and Fourth Geneva Conventions and the U.S. War Crimes Act; violating the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights and the International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination; reinstitution of the infamous "Cointelpro" Program; violating the Vienna Convention on Consular Relations, the Convention against Torture, and the Universal Declaration of Human Rights; instituting the totalitarian Total Information Awareness Program; and establishing a totalitarian Northern Military Command for the United States of America itself. In all of this George Walker Bush has acted in a manner contrary to his trust as President and subversive of constitutional government, to the great prejudice of the cause of law and justice and to the manifest injury of the people of the United States.
Wherefore George Walker Bush, by such conduct, warrants impeachment and trial, and removal from office.
ARTICLE II
In the conduct of the office of President of the United States, George Walker Bush, in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully to execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, and in violation of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, has violated the Equal Protection Clause of the Constitution. U.S. soldiers in the Middle East are overwhelmingly poor White, Black, and Latino and their military service is based on the coercion of a system that has denied viable economic opportunities to these classes of citizens. Under the Constitution, all classes of citizens are guaranteed equal protection of the laws, and calling on the poor and minorities to fight a war for oil to preserve the lifestyles of the wealthy power elite of this country is a denial of the rights of these soldiers. In all of this George Walker Bush has acted in a manner contrary to his trust as President and subversive of constitutional government, to the great prejudice of the cause of law and justice and to the manifest injury of the people of the United States.
Wherefore George Walker Bush, by such conduct, warrants impeachment and trial, and removal from office.
ARTICLE III
In the conduct of the office of President of the United States, George Walker Bush, in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully to execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, and in violation of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, has violated the U.S. Constitution, federal law, and the United Nations Charter by bribing, intimidating and threatening others, including the members of the United Nations Security Council, to support belligerent acts against Iraq. In all of this George Walker Bush has acted in a manner contrary to his trust as President and subversive of constitutional government, to the great prejudice of the cause of law and justice and to the manifest injury of the people of the United States.
Wherefore George Walker Bush, by such conduct, warrants impeachment and trial, and removal from office.
ARTICLE IV
In the conduct of the office of President of the United States, George Walker Bush, in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully to execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, and in violation of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, has prepared, planned, and conspired to engage in a massive war and catastrophic aggression against Iraq by employing methods of mass destruction that will result in the killing of hundreds of thousands of civilians, many of whom will be children. This planning includes the threatened use of nuclear weapons, and the use of such indiscriminate weapons and massive killings by aerial bombardment, or otherwise, of civilians, violates the Hague Regulations on land warfare, the rules of customary international law set forth in the Hague Rules of Air Warfare, the Four Geneva Conventions of 1949 and Protocol I thereto, the Nuremberg Charter, Judgment, and Principles, the Genocide Convention, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, and U.S. Army Field Manual 27-10 (1956). In all of this George Walker Bush has acted in a manner contrary to his trust as President and subversive of constitutional government, to the great prejudice of the cause of law and justice and to the manifest injury of the people of the United States.
Wherefore George Walker Bush, by such conduct, warrants impeachment and trial, and removal from office.
ARTICLE V
In the conduct of the office of President of the United States, George Walker Bush, in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully to execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, and in violation of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, has committed the United States to acts of war without congressional consent and contrary to the United Nations Charter and international law. From September, 2001 through January, 2003, the President embarked on a course of action that systematically eliminated every option for peaceful resolution of the Persian Gulf crisis. Once the President approached Congress for consent to war, tens of thousands of American soldiers' lives were in jeopardy - rendering any substantive debate by Congress meaningless. The President has not received a Declaration of War by Congress, and in contravention of the written word, the spirit, and the intent of the U.S. Constitution has declared that he will go to war regardless of the views of the American people. In failing to seek and obtain a Declaration of War, George Walker Bush has acted in a manner contrary to his trust as President and subversive of constitutional government, to the great prejudice of the cause of law and justice and to the manifest injury of the people of the United States.
Wherefore George Walker Bush, by such conduct, warrants impeachment and trial, and removal from office.
ARTICLE VI
In the conduct of the office of President of the United States, George Walker Bush, in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully to execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, and in violation of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, has planned, prepared, and conspired to commit crimes against the peace by leading the United States into aggressive war against Iraq in violation of Article 2(4) of the United Nations Charter, the Nuremberg Charter, Judgment, and Principles, the Kellogg-Brand Pact, U.S. Army Field Manual 27-10 (1956), numerous other international treaties and agreements, and the Constitution of the United States. In all of this George Walker Bush has acted in a manner contrary to his trust as President and subversive of constitutional government, to the great prejudice of the cause of law and justice and to the manifest injury of the people of the United States.
Wherefore George Walker Bush, by such conduct, warrants impeachment and trial, and removal from office.
(In memory of Congressman Henry B. Gonzalez - R.I.P. - and H. Res. 86, 102nd Cong., 1st Sess., Jan. 16, 1991.)
Francis A. Boyle, Professor of Law, University of Illinois, is author of Foundations of World Order, Duke University Press, The Criminality of Nuclear Deterrence, and Palestine, Palestinians and International Law, by Clarity Press. He can be reached at: FBOYLE@LAW.UIUC.EDU

At an absolute minimum, unless and until the US occupation of Iraq ends—which begs the question of reparations and huge amends—no progress on any issue of any importance will take place from within the halls of government.

Nixon and Clinton were impeached, and these people in the White House today know they're wrong, but they just go on with it. And they will continue to go on with their agenda. So the punitive function of impeachment amounts to nothing. And actually, the Constitution amounts to very little; it can be twisted and warped to suit. It is nothing but words on paper, and few men live by words on paper when all they know is what they want right now.

It's the same thing today with all laws and fear of punishment: these do not work except for people with a bit of conscience, and the people in power have nearly none of that. As long as money and power rule (and the rule of money and power and those who worship them is a gift of the populace, the tyranny of the majority), little else matters.

Feel no shock and rage at Pelosi's cold practicality. Yes, she is technically wrong, but time is extremely limited. There is literally a world of nasty consequences of bad action which must be cleansed before real progress occurs.

Pelosi must be imbibing the Bush coup-Laida to regurgitate such unConstitutional bile.