I Accuse You, Mr. Bush...
"I didn't vote for him," an American once said, "But he's my president, and I hope he does a good job."That-on this eve of the 4th of July-is the essence of this democracy, in 17 words. And that is what President Bush threw away yesterday in commuting the sentence of Lewis "Scooter" Libby.
The man who said those 17 words-improbably enough-was the actor John Wayne. And Wayne, an ultra-conservative, said them, when he learned of the hair's-breadth election of John F. Kennedy instead of his personal favorite, Richard Nixon in 1960.
"I didn't vote for him but he's my president, and I hope he does a good job."
The sentiment was doubtlessly expressed earlier, but there is something especially appropriate about hearing it, now, in Wayne's voice: The crisp matter-of-fact acknowledgement that we have survived, even though for nearly two centuries now, our Commander-in-Chief has also served, simultaneously, as the head of one political party and often the scourge of all others.
We as citizens must, at some point, ignore a president's partisanship. Not that we may prosper as a nation, not that we may achieve, not that we may lead the world-but merely that we may function.
But just as essential to the seventeen words of John Wayne, is an implicit trust-a sacred trust: That the president for whom so many did not vote, can in turn suspend his political self long enough, and for matters imperative enough, to conduct himself solely for the benefit of the entire Republic.
Our generation's willingness to state "we didn't vote for him, but he's our president, and we hope he does a good job," was tested in the crucible of history, and earlier than most.
And in circumstances more tragic and threatening. And we did that with which history tasked us.
We enveloped our President in 2001.And those who did not believe he should have been elected-indeed those who did not believe he had been elected-willingly lowered their voices and assented to the sacred oath of non-partisanship.
And George W. Bush took our assent, and re-configured it, and honed it, and shaped it to a razor-sharp point and stabbed this nation in the back with it.
Were there any remaining lingering doubt otherwise, or any remaining lingering hope, it ended yesterday when Mr. Bush commuted the prison sentence of one of his own staffers.
Did so even before the appeals process was complete; did so without as much as a courtesy consultation with the Department of Justice; did so despite what James Madison-at the Constitutional Convention-said about impeaching any president who pardoned or sheltered those who had committed crimes "advised by" that president; did so without the slightest concern that even the most detached of citizens must look at the chain of events and wonder: To what degree was Mr. Libby told: break the law however you wish-the President will keep you out of prison?
In that moment, Mr. Bush, you broke that fundamental com-pact between yourself and the majority of this nation's citizens-the ones who did not cast votes for you. In that moment, Mr. Bush, you ceased to be the President of the United States. In that moment, Mr. Bush, you became merely the President of a rabid and irresponsible corner of the Republican Party. And this is too important a time, Sir, to have a commander-in-chief who puts party over nation.
This has been, of course, the gathering legacy of this Administration. Few of its decisions have escaped the stain of politics. The extraordinary Karl Rove has spoken of "a permanent Republican majority," as if such a thing-or a permanent Democratic majority-is not antithetical to that upon which rests: our country, our history, our revolution, our freedoms.
Yet our Democracy has survived shrewder men than Karl Rove. And it has survived the frequent stain of politics upon the fabric of government. But this administration, with ever-increasing insistence and almost theocratic zealotry, has turned that stain into a massive oil spill.
The protection of the environment is turned over to those of one political party, who will financially benefit from the rape of the environment. The protections of the Constitution are turned over to those of one political party, who believe those protections unnecessary and extravagant and quaint.
The enforcement of the laws is turned over to those of one political party, who will swear beforehand that they will not enforce those laws. The choice between war and peace is turned over to those of one political party, who stand to gain vast wealth by ensuring that there is never peace, but only war.
And now, when just one cooked book gets corrected by an honest auditor, when just one trampling of the inherent and inviolable fairness of government is rejected by an impartial judge, when just one wild-eyed partisan is stopped by the figure of blind justice, this President decides that he, and not the law, must prevail.
I accuse you, Mr. Bush, of lying this country into war.
I accuse you of fabricating in the minds of your own people, a false implied link between Saddam Hussein and 9/11.
I accuse you of firing the generals who told you that the plans for Iraq were disastrously insufficient.
I accuse you of causing in Iraq the needless deaths of 3,586 of our brothers and sons, and sisters and daughters, and friends and neighbors.
I accuse you of subverting the Constitution, not in some misguided but sincerely-motivated struggle to combat terrorists, but to stifle dissent.
I accuse you of fomenting fear among your own people, of creating the very terror you claim to have fought.
I accuse you of exploiting that unreasoning fear, the natural fear of your own people who just want to live their lives in peace, as a political tool to slander your critics and libel your opponents.
I accuse you of handing part of this Republic over to a Vice President who is without conscience, and letting him run roughshod over it.
And I accuse you now, Mr. Bush, of giving, through that Vice President, carte blanche to Mr. Libby, to help defame Ambassador Joseph Wilson by any means necessary, to lie to Grand Juries and Special Counsel and before a court, in order to protect the mechanisms and particulars of that defamation, with your guarantee that Libby would never see prison, and, in so doing, as Ambassador Wilson himself phrased it here last night, of becoming an accessory to the obstruction of justice.
When President Nixon ordered the firing of the Watergate special prosecutor Archibald Cox during the infamous "Saturday Night Massacre" on October 20th, 1973, Cox initially responded tersely, and ominously.
"Whether ours shall be a government of laws and not of men, is now for Congress, and ultimately, the American people."
President Nixon did not understand how he had crystallized the issue of Watergate for the American people.
It had been about the obscure meaning behind an attempt to break in to a rival party's headquarters; and the labyrinthine effort to cover-up that break-in and the related crimes.
And in one night, Nixon transformed it.
Watergate-instantaneously-became a simpler issue: a President overruling the inexorable march of the law of insisting-in a way that resonated viscerally with millions who had not previously understood - that he was the law.
Not the Constitution. Not the Congress. Not the Courts. Just him.
Just - Mr. Bush - as you did, yesterday.
The twists and turns of Plame-Gate, of your precise and intricate lies that sent us into this bottomless pit of Iraq; your lies upon the lies to discredit Joe Wilson; your lies upon the lies upon the lies to throw the sand at the "referee" of Prosecutor Fitzgerald's analogy. These are complex and often painful to follow, and too much, perhaps, for the average citizen.
But when other citizens render a verdict against your man, Mr. Bush-and then you spit in the faces of those jurors and that judge and the judges who were yet to hear the appeal-the average citizen understands that, Sir.
It's the fixed ballgame and the rigged casino and the pre-arranged lottery all rolled into one-and it stinks. And they know it.
Nixon's mistake, the last and most fatal of them, the firing of Archibald Cox, was enough to cost him the presidency. And in the end, even Richard Nixon could say he could not put this nation through an impeachment.
It was far too late for it to matter then, but as the decades unfold, that single final gesture of non-partisanship, of acknowledged responsibility not to self, not to party, not to "base," but to country, echoes loudly into history. Even Richard Nixon knew it was time to resign
Would that you could say that, Mr. Bush. And that you could say it for Mr. Cheney. You both crossed the Rubicon yesterday. Which one of you chose the route, no longer matters. Which is the ventriloquist, and which the dummy, is irrelevant.
But that you have twisted the machinery of government into nothing more than a tawdry machine of politics, is the only fact that remains relevant.
It is nearly July 4th, Mr. Bush, the commemoration of the moment we Americans decided that rather than live under a King who made up the laws, or erased them, or ignored them-or commuted the sentences of those rightly convicted under them-we would force our independence, and regain our sacred freedoms.
We of this time-and our leaders in Congress, of both parties-must now live up to those standards which echo through our history: Pressure, negotiate, impeach-get you, Mr. Bush, and Mr. Cheney, two men who are now perilous to our Democracy, away from its helm.
For you, Mr. Bush, and for Mr. Cheney, there is a lesser task. You need merely achieve a very low threshold indeed. Display just that iota of patriotism which Richard Nixon showed, on August 9th, 1974.
Resign.
And give us someone-anyone-about whom all of us might yet be able to quote John Wayne, and say, "I didn't vote for him, but he's my president, and I hope he does a good job."
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Show AllHey Evelyn, nice to know gals are better at cleaning fish and that we can be helpful, but I consider that sexist.
Why should we be stuck with being helpful? That's like guys being helpful with housework instead of being equally responsible for the messes they help to create.
Anyway, it's not hoards, it's hordes. Hoarding is something we do, not are.
I wasn't meaning to be sexist Kathy, gals are better at cleanng fish and besides, there are other things they could help with. Then too, it appears Speedy isn't all that bright, he'd need sameone with some brains there in that hideaway, like most country boys would. He could bring along a piano.
That's a pretty sexist thing to say Evelyn.
Hey Speedo,
Deficits, when figured by the CPA's are calculated on a ten year cycle, hence the $3.1 & $5 trillion numbers I cited. So what that DHS & Katrina was $300 billion; that only represents one tenth of the projected Clinton surplus.
As for how Americans can make more than they borrow that is elementary...RAISE THE MINIMUM WAGE! That also has the added benefit of increased tax revenues WITHOUT RAISING TAXES, causing the deficit to shrink. While at it rescind the tax cuts for the wealthiest 1%, re-institute the inheritance tax on large estates, raise the income 'cap' on Social Security to $150,000, make off-shore tax shelters for US corporations illegal, and stifle the hordes of illegal immigrants forcing Americans' wages down from invading our country by penalizing and/or jailing employers breaking the laws alreasdy on the books.
The primary way we can make moves toward being solvent as a country again is to rein in military spending. Did you know that on 9/10/2007, that's right the day before 9/11, an article came out stating the Pentagon couldn't account for $2.7 TRILLION in materials. How convenient it was for 9/11 to happen the very next day, and push that news item to a small notation on a back page, coincidence? Hell, the books are in such disarray at the Pentagon, there hasn't been an approved audit in a number of years. Some claim an accounting isn't possible, but that doesn't fly. If the military demands money for a program don't you think it should be fiscally responsible enough to show how the funds designated were spent? It's a basic business and accounting problem, not rocket science.
A way we can definitely reduce our defence/offense spending is stop funding for 'contract' support troops (read mercenaries). They make $100,000 to $300,000 doing what our soldiers do for around $25,000, but we are picking up the tab. If we are so undermanned we have to resort to outrageous payments like this, and this war is really all that vital to our nation's security, why not re-institute the draft? With American's realizing a justified war entails making real & shared sacrifices, this war will end pronto. (more later)
Naw, head for the hills, maybe deep in the Apalachians, bring a gal too, need someone to clean the fish and skin the deer.
Hey Speedy are you getting uptight about this debate? Hope not. Okay, how would it occur. I wrote, it will happen IF we suffer another depression, and if we invade Iran that is a very likely prospect. If we have a depression there will be an almost total lack of food supplies, everyplace. The millions of truck farmers are gone, Society is no longer like the crash of 29 in Amaerica. We also now import much of our food from other countries. Mexico, South America, China, etc. Those imports will cease during a depression, for it will be a world wide depression just as it was in 1929.
With an almost total lack of food, here comes rioting and anarchy all across the land. It would be Katrina magnified a thousnd times. That is reality. The Mormons for example are prepared for such an eventuality and are prepared to fight off any invaders. They do have farms and their families have each stocked a years supply of food___ and guns. They aren't stupid.
The United States government would fail within days, our militry is already broken and they have to eat too. There would be no military to fight anyone except us. Our borders are open now, we cannot even stop millions of illegals from crossing. If we have a depression and once the rioting begins in every single large and small metro area, they will come, armed and ready to fight and kill. Would they win? I don't know, but they will attempt to. That Speedy is a sure bet and it is reality.
Picture how it will be when people are hungry, with empty stores, rioting, fires, no money, our credit cards worthless. There will be anarchy and there will be kiling that will make Baghdad seem like a resort town. Oh no, we have Fema, the Red cross, Federal assistance, Homeland Security. Really? Remember Katrina? Our government is a mess now and it will be every man for himself.
Paul
What would you propose we do to get americans to stop borrowing more than they make?
There is HUGE waste in all areas of government spending. The government has no incentive to reduce waste. It's not their money, if they need more they will just confiscate more of it from me and you.
If the DOD pays $600 for a hammer, who cares? $1200 for a toilet seat, big deal. 1000's of mobile homes for Katrina survivors rotting away, unused in a louisiana pasture. Hey, we'll buy more! Let's give prepaid mastercharge cards to anyone who show's up at the Astrodome. If they use it for hookers or online porn. What the hell?
At least, if we pay $600 for a hammer, At the end of the day, we have a hammer.
If we give someone a $2500 Mastercharge, what do we have?
The government should get out of the charity business IMHO.
To PaulMagillSmith
You said: "Since the Bush administration has been in office they squandered a $3.1 trillion surplus, and changed it into a $5 trillion deficit. Where did that money go?"
Get your facts straight man! The surplus was about $300 Billion when GWB took office. We do not have nor have we ever had a $5 Trillion deficit!
The $300 billion went to Homeland security and defense spending.
Defense spending (as a percentage of GDP) is still far below recent historical levels.
You said: "Last year Americans borrowed more money than they made. If we expect to have any kind of decent quality of life in the future we need to curtail the borrowing, and make more of an effort to pay our own way. Several government agencies have declared there is $65 billion in wasteful spending in the military budget,"
And how would you propose to we get americans to stop borrowing more money than they make?
There is outrageous waste in all areas of government spending, look at the FEMA spending on Katrina relief. The government has no incentive to avoid waste. It's not their money. If they flush it down a rat hole, they'll just come and confiscate more of mine and yours! So what the hell, a $600 hammer, or $1200 toilet seat? big deal. Thousands of mobile homes sitting in a field unused, who cares? Let's hand out prepaid charge cards to anyone who show up at the astrodome. Some of it will be used correctly, some of it will be used incorrectly (Buying hookers and porn) But hey, what the hell.
The beat goes on.
I'm not an economist, but the ones I listen to, advise me that the US debt is NOT out of control.
You and I measure our wealth by comparing our assets against our liabilities. If that is the measure of a countries wealth, (it's not BTW) the US has far, far, far more assets than liabilities just based on the governments real estate holdings.
But, like I stated earlier, I'm not an economist, just a reader and someone that tries to look past outlandish demagoguery and apply logic and common sense to problems and possible solutions.
Exactly how would these mexican invaders take back the land? Would they murder the current owners, would they burn the current deeds, would they drive the current owners away or just sqat on the land.
And which of the invaders is going to get the good land, will they be killing each other to get Disneyland or Pebble Beach country club?
And how would the US authorities react to these takings? The US authorities would'nt give a rats ass about the invaders FEELINGS on whether a 150 yr old treaty was valid or not.
also, I don't understand how a downturn in the US economy would trigger a massive invasion from mexico? Please explain.
Speedster,
While you may be correct about China and bonds, the consequences remain threatening.
I continually hear the same propagandistic talking point slam by Republicans about, "Tax and spend Democrats", but how is this an inferior fiscal policy when compared to, "Borrow and spend Republicans"? Republicans have support of, and give it to, bankers who rake in boatloads of interest payments, while the taxpayer gets stuck for the bill. People need to realize there is 'no free lunch' in this deal.
Since the Bush administration has been in office they squandered a $3.1 trillion surplus, and changed it into a $5 trillion deficit. Where did that money go? It sure wasn't consumed ,but partially, by the half trillion we've currently squandered in Iraq, or the small bit begrudgingly doled out to rebuild after Katrina. A larger share than both those combined has gone for tax cuts to the wealthiest 1% of Americans at the expense of the middle class and viable social safety nets for all Americans. Warped & devastating priorities for sure, but that's the right wing ideology in action.
Remember the consequences I mentioned? Aside from the damage the Republican fiscal policy does to us internally, as a people, here's what Hedges relates we face as a nation:
"The weakening of the United States, economically and militarily, is giving rise to new centers of power. The U.S. economy, mismanaged and drained by the Iraq war, is increasingly dependent on Chinese trade imports and on Chinese holdings of U.S. Treasury securities. China holds dollar reserves worth $825 billion. If Beijing decides to abandon the U.S. bond market, even in part, it would cause a free fall by the dollar. It would lead to the collapse of the $7-trillion U.S. real estate market. There would be a wave of U.S. bank failures and huge unemployment. The growing dependence on China has been accompanied by aggressive work by the Chinese to build alliances with many of the world's major exporters of oil, such as Iran, Nigeria, Sudan and Venezuela. The Chinese are preparing for the looming worldwide clash over dwindling resources."
Last year Americans borrowed more money than they made. If we expect to have any kind of decent quality of life in the future we need to curtail the borrowing, and make more of an effort to pay our own way. Several government agencies have declared there is $65 billion in wasteful spending in the military budget, that if eliminated would not effect our military capabilities whatsoever. Instead of eliminating this waste, which could fund programs that positively affect literally tens of millions of our citizens, we roll over and INCREASE the funds demanded by the Pentagon. Is something radically & ethically wrong with this picture? You bet!
I,too, accuse you, Mr Bush, of lining the pockets of the least needy, at the expense of the neediest. Shame on you and your cohorts!
Hey Speedy,___ you still alive? Did you check to see if any of the groceries you bought last night were from China? Those guys are trying to posion us you know. Nobody likes us anymore. We went to a Chinese reataurant today, it's right next to a Wal-Mart. Imagine that. They had fried fish too.___ "Cat" fish.
Have we somehow drifted off the subject here?
Speedster, I'm fully aware of the treaty Mexico signed at "gunpoint". Ever hear of the Halls of Montesuma? The Marine theme song. We invaded Mexico with reasons as bad as the ones used to invade Iraq. Mexico surrended in Mexico city. The Mexican people are fully aware of the treaty and they all believe it was a raw deal and the ammount of money they recieved was pennies per acre if that much.
My point was not what I feel on that score, my point was and is, if we have a depression and many smart people believe we will if we start a war with Iran. If that should occur, Mexicans will be pouring across the border to take the land THEY feel was stolen fom them. They don't give a rat's ass about the treaty.
Where we live, over half of the population is Mexicans and it is often spoken of by Mexican Americans and visitors from Mexico.
BTW Speedy, what exaactly have I flunked besides history in your humble opinion? I know___ spelling and economics. Did good in history, all As.
But back to the main theme. If the Mexicans don't ever try invading us, selling military bases in Calif might be a your best idea.
Damn Evelyn!
You must have flunked History too! Ever hear of the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo?
We didn't "SWIPE" the land from mexico, The United States bought it!
The Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo is the peace treaty, between the United States an the interim government of a militarily occupied Mexico, that ended the Mexican-American War (1846–1848). The treaty provided for the Mexican Cession, in which Mexico ceded 525,000 square miles of its pre-war territory to the United States in exchange for US$15 million (equivalent to $313 million in 2006 dollars) The United States also agreed to take over $3.25 million ($68 million in 2006 dollars) in debts Mexico owed to American citizens.
The land mass that we PURCHASED from Mexico is now California, Nevada, Utah, Arizona, part of Wyoming and part of Colorado and part of New Mexico.
The treaty was signed in a suburb of Mexico City on 2 February 1848.
Nanoo
Oh yeah! Well I'll be blowed.
You just stick to shooting out tires and don't be getting any ideas now!
Hi speedster. I appreciate your lessons on economics, but I failed it in college because it was such mixed up bull, got all A's in the rest though. Well a D in spelling.
You mentioned the land west of Ol Man River; unfortunently, over half of it is land we swiped from the Mexicans. They want it back and if we ever have a depression, there will be multi-millions of illegals coming across our southern border, only they'll be armed with guns, RPGs and grenades. It will be hell on Earth and it could end up with the Mexicans being the legals and us the illegals. (What comes around goes around.) That's Karmoo, learned about it here from other spritual bloggers.
Imagine a depression in this day and age, where the millions of small farmers aren't here anymore. It won't be like the depression of 1929, hungry people will kill for food. There will be rioting everyplace, anarchy, with blood flowing in the streets and rivers. We will be invaded by Mexicans___ and we did literally take the land from them. It was Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada and California adnmaybe utah, not sure of Utah.
Hate to think it, but if Bush attacks Iran, it will come soon after. Of course we have the big problem of global warming and Depleted Uranium filling the atmosphere and maybe a king taking over. Damn, I'm gonna go to bed.
The only logical way to measure these things is as a % of GDP because the actual numbers always get bigger. 2004 is the only year where the numbers are in. 2004 = 3.6%, projections by the OMB are 2005 = 3.5%, 2007 = 2.3%, 2008 = 1.7%, 2009 = 1.5%
Government accounting is a bit of a smoke and mirrors, they don't follow the rules they force on everybody else. So basically no one knows(i'm not sure we really want to know!)
If you think Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid are killing us now, wait another 20 years!
Most of the surplus was spent on homeland security and defense spending.
By the way, all the numbers are available on the web at;
www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/fy2006
The good news is that the Government owns most of the land west of the mississippi, so they could eliminate a big portion of the National debt by selling camp pendelton in california. It's prime beachfront property!
anyway, gotta go buy some groceries.
You are correct speedster. I like that code name BTW, I once owned a 55 Studebaker Speedster, the first of the mucscle cars and gasoline was $0.28 a gallon for premium. She'd do 168 in ninth gear, it had three speeds in each gear. I never did it, chickened out at 140.
Anyway, in 1989 our national debt was considered to be a crisis at almost three tillion and it shocked the nation. That was during the Bush Sr. admin. My point was, Bush Jr. has not done anything to correct a bad dream he inherited and the national debt is now approaching nine trillion almost double that which he inherited. Wonder what would happen if China turned in their bonds Monday and demanded payment? When that happened with France and Mexico, it evolved into a war, another war France lost.
If we all recieved an annual statement from our government, it could read. "Dear Sir, your share of the national debt is now $120,000. Would you like to send in that ammount now, or defer it to your great grandchildren?
Thomas Jefferson once said, "To preserve our independence, we must not allow our leaders, to load us with perpetial debt".
What happened to the surplus in our annual budget since GWB took office? What is the current deficit?
I personally believe you're more qualified than I to discuss our national financial situation. I do have a lot of questions however, as it sure don't look good to me.
Also
As far as the US borrowing money from china goes. The US doesn't borrow money from China. The US sells government bonds in an open market. You could buy some if you want to. It is an arms length transaction, nobody is forced to to anything, the US gives them a piece of paper, (a promise to give them dollars in the future), and they give us United States Dollars now. They traded DVD players and iPods and poison dogfood and toothpaste etc. for US Dollars, now they need a place to spend all those dollars. If they could get a better deal from someone somewhere, else they would. The process binds their success to the US. If the US fails, they loose money. That is one benefit of global exchange.
Evelyn
The yearly budget (amount needed vs the amount collected on a year to year basis) was in surplus ie. the US was collecting more than it was spending on a year to year basis, when GWB took office. The National debt (money owed by federal government, municipal government or local government) was in the trillions when GWB took office.
Speedster, you make some excellent points. I wonder about your comment, that the United States was bankrupt before GWB took office?
I read that when Clinton left office, our national debt was a multi-billion surplus. Presently, after six years of GWB, we owe China alone over eight and a half "trillion" dollars. If that was a problem surfacing when GWB took command, he sure hasn't done anything to correct or reverse it. Nope, he borrowed the money from China to fight "his" war with Iraq, depose Saddam and take out the guy responsible for 9-11. I also thought Kerry did win___ but then didn't when millions of votes were "not" counted. Your other points are well taken by me and indeed, the beat goes on.
To PeaceMaker
you asked: So why did American's vote him back into office?????
You obviously don't understand the way the American republic works. Let me try and help you. The American people vote for whoever is in the race. In 2004, it was a choice between John Kerry, and George Bush. The American people selected the lesser of two evils. That's the way it has always been, that's the way it will always be!. It can't be any other way! The only person that agrees with 100% of your views is YOU. We weigh and measure the candidates in totality and select the lesser of two evils. Sometimes we get it right sometimes we don't. We can't even know when we get it wrong. We would have to examine the exact same circumstances in some parallel universe, perhaps the other guy would have been even worse!
You said: We have an out of control administration who has thumbed it's nose at the laws, the Constitution, at Democracy and all this country stands for from day one! Tried to dismantle the entire country, bankrupt it and insulted it with a orgy of corruption.
Sounds nice, but you have to be more specific. Which laws did the administration thumb it's nose at? What part of the country is being dismantled? It was bankrupt before GWB took office, the "orgy" of corruption is just a continuation from many previous administrations.
The beat goes on.
Also
the amount of US Bonds held by the PRC is a very small fraction of the total outstanding US Bonds. The vast majority is held by US Corporate pension funds. If anything, the war is being financed by the pension funds of millions of american workers.
Okay, Pardon me. I,m crazy too.
Startin to like you Ron.
Evelyn Smith,
Just want you to know that I was first attracted to CommonDreams by the fine quality contributions of people like yourself. Although I disagree with your stance vis à vis truthteller (and your definition of "insanity"), I deeply respect your right to expression and appreciate your blogs...as my French friends say, "Courage...and Audacity, always!!" Forward, our destiny continues.
It seems to me that resident Bush no longer has a need for the carefully cultivated air of authenticity that saw him through his past electoral contests as he has so clearly traded it in for Esprit de Corpse(sic) within his administration.
Imagine all the foul scents that would eminate from the executive body were Libby allowed to fester despite his loyalty?
For if loyalty goes unrewarded, why shouldn't the maggots migrate away and pupate in moister more welcoming environs?
This quid pro quo smells like embalming fluid :-/
Stop censoring my posts.
Hillary, Obama, Edwards and
maybe Gore.
Any sheepdog to guard the
hypnotized sheep mass
will do; even a ham sandwhich.
Dwayne Chandler, US army.
baa, baa, yawn......
Sheepdog for President 2008
and beyond.
baa, baa, impotent baaing
all the day long.
Stop censoring my posts;
and you have the nerve to
criticize the merciless
censorship practiced by
others.
Dwayne Chandler, US army.
Join Cindy's walk on Washington and arrest the S.O.B.'s
To make it plain and simple; don't throw rocks in glass houses! I agree his actions with Libby were wrong! I agree that the Gulf War was probably a personal issue! He is the President of the USA, final! Last time I looked he looke like me a human being and I make many mistakes and admit them! Do you all? Stop being Democrat/Republican and start bein an American, who supports the troops! If you haven't been in a fire-fight visit Iraq and experience it! It by no means is fun or excitinig when you hold your brethern, crying for a med-vac chopper to fly faster then is feasibly possible. Support the troops if you do not want to support your President! It's your right, that is why most join the military to give you all the right to sit at home typing away bad mouthing the President and the government! At the beginning of WWI, many COngressional persons did the same thing as now, withdrew their support, when they left that day they all received a present a little piece of black rope in the design of a hangman's noose! I believe war is wring on any scale, because I have been there, seen it first hand, felt the blood of my Marines, wrote the letters home, and bleed myself for my country..9 times personally. Now, you want to complain counter that...the President is a person, you want to impeach him, they did Clinton to no avail! Human beings make misrtakes, Bush has, you do, I do , I will , you will and Bush will as well. The next big-wig will make similar mistakes. Clinton put me on the beach of Somolia, I saw a lady get killed by a man and could do nothing about it because of rules of engagement, government playing war! Want the problkem fixed let warriors be warriors, the job will get done if the people support the troops! For thise out there that might read this that are former Marines, this is the Ghost! Semper Fi!
That means, "Always Faithful" Ken
Truthteller: When I called a contributor to these posts an idiot and a moron for analyzing politics using astrology as a tool, Evelyn pulled the same stunt on me. He told me I was insane and needed to seek help NOW. For some reason, he goes a little berserk when someone crosses a line of decorum that he has set up for these posts. Funny that dreams of murdering children draws the same rebuke as harsh words denouncing astrology! But Evelyn has a big heart and is always quick to apologize when wrong. He spreads more good cheer than ill will so he's a good guy, even if he does lose it every now and then.
Evelyn: Despite your occasional over-the-top outbursts, you are a great contributor to these posts and I look forward to hearing what you have to say on many topics. You've paid your dues, and I will always pay attention to your comments.
Evelyn/Kem said about me, "...the very few blogs he has posted."
Many of us work a lot of hours and can't spend all of our time commenting on sites like this. We also spend a considerable amount of time composing and editing our posts so we come across as intelligent and knowledgable. I know I go days and sometimes weeks without posting, but when I do, I hope that it is something meaningful and thought-provoking.
Evelyn/Kem, or whoever you are, if what you say about yourself is true, I say nothing to diminish your service, and understand your aversion to violence. However, know that the times we live in are not ammenable to tactics that have worked in the past to gain change. For peaceful change to work, those in power have to have some sense of acting for the good of the vast majority, something this cabal doesn't care about.
If your sensibilities are easily offended, then you probably wouldn't want to participate at Alternet.com, which I find even more free-wheeling than here.
Saila, I just went to the archives and read a large number of my comments and there are well over a hundred where I have spoken out against this administraton. I am totally aginst Bush and was before he was elected the first time. I believe he is attmpting to take us down the Primrose Lane and if he has his way, he will ruin this nation. Bush has killed everyone in Iraq and ruined thei land for centuries to come__ by approving the insane use of DU in weaponry. He and Cheney are worse than Saddam.
I have also written numerous blogs, over twenty, stating I believe Pelosi should put impeachment on the table and to do it yesterday.
Please don't state I fear bloodshed, I'm a disabled vet who seved in the military for 23 years and had my face shot to pieces when flying on a mission in Vietnam. I eventually lost one eye and am now legally blind. It shows in my spelling. I shed blood and a lot of it and I didn't panic. And if the time should ever come when our government is dissolved for certain, (and presently that is not so.) I will be prepared to fight any who decare they are our dictatorial ruler.
I also love my country, our flag and love ths forum, I've learned a lot here. I do not love comments where any would write the type of deplorable comments written here by a person who has written similar things in the very few blogs he has posted. Thank you, Kem Patrick
Sorry to hear about your sons, and to see that my words have apparently upset you. Rest assured that was not the intent. I don't see how you got the impression that I was speaking up for him. I was merely trying to draw your attention to the fact that he was merely talking as compared to what is actually happening on the ground in Iraq, and to provide perhaps a means of comparison aimed at relieving your anger at his words. My description of what was actually happening in Iraq was meant as an illustration to dramatize that point.
It is always a pleasure to see and read your blog.
weepingbuffalo
You are the one who asked for justification for guns and you got mine. Now, you quibble about whether the 2nd amendment is reasonable at this time, thinking it's purpose was to be a deterrent against Britain.
Amendment II
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
There you have it. Seems to me lately, that when our own government doesn't respect the rule of law, and in so many areas, a armed people have a better chance of securing a free State for themselves, against their own government if so needed.
Saila, please read his blog once more. He says he dreams of not only murdering every one in the Bush Adminitration, but also their wives and children. If he wants to have dreams of that type, he shold keep them to his self! Noone should post such disguting inhumane thoughts on this forum. Are we to be as evil as the Bush administratin? Those are dreams of a deranged madman and if you or any support that type of insanity,___ peace be with you.
I have always admired your writings and you always seemed to me, to be the type of person one would like to know as a friend. I am aware of what Bush and Cheney have done. I am aware of what they may attempt to do and I hate their actions and deeds. I will help in any way I can, to legally fight to have them removed from office. But killing innocent children? I've buried two sons and it has been more than forty years and it still hurts. The wound never heals. Yeah, speak up for that sicko and feel proud that you have.
It is little wonder to me, that some worry about being abducted by the Bush goons. With comments like that being published here, is is little wonder some worry. If I were subjected to it, I would be inclined to look the person up and determine just how dangerous they may be. Peace to you also,___ Kem Patrick
The consequences of George W. Bush's choices, as President of the United Stats of America, both domestic and abroad, have not even come full circle yet. He does SO much damamge to the world, including his own country. Yet, there are STILL fans of George W. Bush in the USA. I just...can't believe it. EVERY American should show an extreme dislike of their President. Every single one. I mean...I just don't understand. Perhaps the slim minority of George W. Bush fans simply do not care of the negative choices he has made I guess. This will bite American society in the butt within the decade I predict.
George W. Bush...whew! How you sleep at night? Honestly, Americans should have cut their losses after September 11th, 2001. You, George, should have admitted something like, "Ok we admit that we are not friendly to some nations in the world. Consequently, the civilians of these respective nations are mad at us and did the most messed up action imaginable on September 11th, 2001 to give the USA a taste of what they were experiencing every day for decades by Americans and the British." Well George, if you would have said somethign along these lines, that would have been a start. Plus, this admittance would have saved lives and money for the USA, an uncountable amount of money. After all, admitting there is a problem of extreme arrogance among the general populace of the USA is only half the battle of eradicating this determental superior face Americans show to the world.
One tragedy, in addition to all the Iraqi lives lost, is that the USA played right in to bin Laden's hands. Almost as if the USA is daring bin Laden and al-Qaeda to strike the USA again. They are already punishing the UK for helping the USA invade Iraq.
wow! i am impressed.
keith you are the man!
my personal solution, and it could work on the larger picture, is to stop shopping for things. food and very personal stuff excluded.(medication)
why are you making such a fuss about it.
these nuts are addicted to the money and the power this enables them.
so take away the money WE put in their pockets and lets wait a week maybe not even to see how they react to this punishment.
we the people have the power but we are so blinded by our own greedy minds that we can not see the power behind our hard earned money and the choices we make every single day a few times a day when we use it. we support their criminal acts by bying their poisons.
i ask you the commonwealth of this country, are you ready to change your choices right now so that change can take place? this is big commitment people. BIG!!!!!!!!
i say to you let's BOYCUTT!
BOYCUTT: TO ABSTAIN FROM USING, BUYING, OR DEALING WITH TO EXPRESS PROTEST OR TO COERCE.
THE MOST BENEVOLENT WAY TO SAY NO! I WILL NOT SUPPORT YOUR TACTICS.
I read all your comments and am humbled by all your good efforts.
here is one way to remain human and still stick it to them.
in the name of peace for all beings, let us begin the work. NOW or it will be too late for a lot of good innocent beings.
namaste' November 3, 2005
Israel and the Neocons
The Libby Affair and the Internal War
By JAMES PETRAS
The national debate, which the indictment of Irving Lewis Libby for perjury and obstruction of justice has aroused in the mass media, has failed to address the most basic questions concerning the deep structural context, which influenced his felonious behavior. The most superficial explanation was that Libby, by exposing Valerie Plame (a CIA employee), acted out of revenge to punish her husband Wilson for exposing the lies put forth by Bush about Iraq's "importation" of uranium from Niger. Other journalists claim that Libby acted to cover up the fabrications to go to war. The assertion however raises a deeper question -- who were the fabricators of war propaganda, who was Libby protecting? And not only the "fabricators of war", but the strategic planners, speech-makers and architects of war who acted hand in hand with the propagandists and the journalists who disseminated the propaganda? What is the link between all these high- level functionaries, propagandists and journalists?
Equally important given the positions of power which this cabal occupied, and the influence they exercised in the mass media as well as in designing strategic policy, what forces were engaged in bringing criminal charges against a key operative of the cabal?
Libby's rise to power was part and parcel of the ascendancy of the neo-conservatives to the summits of US policymaking. Libby was a student, protégé, and collaborator with Paul Wolfowitz for over 25 years. Libby along with Wolfowitz, Elliot Abrams, Douglas Feith, Kagan, Cohen, Rubin, Pollack, Chertoff, Fleisher, Kristol, Marc Grossman, Shumsky and a host of other political operators were long term believers and aggressive proponents of a virulently militaristic tendency of Zionism linked with the rightwing Likud Party of Israel. Early in the 1980's, Wolfowitz and Feith were charged with passing confidential documents to Israel, the latter temporarily losing his security clearance.
The ideologues begin their "Long March" through the institutions of the state. In some cases, advisers to rightwing pro-Israel congressmen, others in the lower levels of the Pentagon and State Department, in other cases as academics or leaders of conservative think tanks in Washington during the Reagan and Bush senior regimes. With the election of Bush in 2001, they moved into major strategic positions in the government, and as the principal ideologues and propagandists for a sequence of wars against Arab adversaries of the Israeli State. Leading neocons, like Libby, drew up a war strategy for the Likud government in 1996, and then recycled the document for the US war against Iraq before and immediately after 9/11/01. Along with their rise to the most influential positions of power in the Bush administration, the neocons attracted new recruits, like New York Times reporter Judith Miller.
What is striking about the operations of the 'cabal' is the very open and direct way in which they operated: former Director of the National Security Agency (under Reagan) Lt. General William Odom, retired Marine General Anthony Zinni, Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson (former chief of staff of Powell), retired Air Force Lt. Colonel Karen Kwiatkowski, National Security Adviser to President George Bush (the First) Brent Scowcroft, and numerous disenchanted officials, including veterans of the intelligence agencies, high level observers, and former diplomats openly criticized the neocon takeover of US policy and the close relationship between them and Israeli officals.
In the run-up to the invasion of Iraq, Wolfowitz and Libby were the architects of the military strategy for Rumsfeld and Cheney, their bosses. Douglas Feith established the "Office of Special Planning" to fabricate the lies to justify the war. Judith Miller, David Frum and Ari Fleisher served to disseminate the lies and war propaganda through articles, interviews, press conferences, and speechwriting for President Bush.
The neocons pushed to manipulate and marginalize many of the key institutions in the US imperial state. To circumvent intelligence from the CIA that didn't promote the Israeli agenda of war with Iraq, neocon Douglas Feith (number 3 in the Pentagon) established the Office of Special Planning, which fabricated propaganda and channeled it directly to the President's Office bypassing and marginalizing any critical review from the CIA. Wolfowitz and Rumsfeld marginalized the leading generals, promoting nondescript "loyalists" and outsiders to the top positions, and discarding any advice which opposed or conflicted with their plans for war with Iraq. The Secretary of State referred to a speech prepared for him by Libby as "bullshit" because of its falsehoods. His chief aide, Colonel Wilkerson has written disparagingly of the cabal, which marginalized the State Department including his boss Powell.
The prosecution of Libby however reveals the intense internal struggle over the control of the US imperial state between the neocons and the traditional leaders of its major institutions. Along with the indictment of Libby by a grand jury at the request of the special prosecutor, the FBI has arrested the two leading policy makers of the most influential pro-Israeli lobby (AIPAC) for spying for the State of Israel. These are not simply isolated actions by individual officials or investigators. To have proceeded against Libby and AIPAC leaders , they had to have powerful institutional backing; otherwise the investigations would have been terminated even before they began.
The CIA is deeply offended by the neocon usurpation of their intelligence role, their direct channels to the President, their loyalty to Israel. The military is extremely angry at their exclusion from the councils of government over questions of war, the disastrous war policy which have depleted the armed forces of recruits, devastated troop morale, and the neocons' grotesque ignorance of the costs of a colonial occupation. It is no wonder that General Tommy Frank referred to Douglas Feith as "the stupidest bastard I have ever met."
The current institutional war recalls an earlier conflict between the rightwing Senator Joseph McCarthy and the Defense Department. At the time during the mid 1950's, Senator McCarty was accumulating power first by purging trade unions, Hollywood, the universities, and promoting likeminded conservative officials. He successfully extended his investigations and purges to the State Department and finally tried to do the same to the military. It was here that Senator McCarthy met his Waterloo, his attack backfired, the Army stood its ground, refuted his accusations and discredited his fabrications and grab for power.
In the meantime, the neocons are not at all daunted by the trials of their colleagues in AIPAC and the Vice President's office: they are pressing straight ahead for the US to attack Syria and Iran, via economic sanctions and military bombing. On October 30, 2005 the former head of the Israel Secret Police (Shin Bet) told AIPAC to escalate their campaign to pressure in the US to attack Iran (Israel National News.com). There was a near unanimous vote in the US Congress in favor of economic sanctions against Syria. Despite mass demonstrations, and because of a 'captured' congress, it appears paradoxically that the only force capable of defeating the neocon juggernaut, like the earlier Joe McCarthy, are powerful voices in the state threatened by new disastrous wars not of their making.
James Petras, a former Professor of Sociology at Binghamton University, New York, owns a 50 year membership in the class struggle, is an adviser to the landless and jobless in brazil and argentina and is co-author of Globalization Unmasked (Zed). His new book with Henry Veltmeyer, Social Movements and the State: Brazil, Ecuador, Bolivia and Argentina, will be published in October 2005. He can be reached at: jpetras@binghamton.edu
November 3, 2005
Israel and the Neocons
The Libby Affair and the Internal War
By JAMES PETRAS
The national debate, which the indictment of Irving Lewis Libby for perjury and obstruction of justice has aroused in the mass media, has failed to address the most basic questions concerning the deep structural context, which influenced his felonious behavior. The most superficial explanation was that Libby, by exposing Valerie Plame (a CIA employee), acted out of revenge to punish her husband Wilson for exposing the lies put forth by Bush about Iraq's "importation" of uranium from Niger. Other journalists claim that Libby acted to cover up the fabrications to go to war. The assertion however raises a deeper question -- who were the fabricators of war propaganda, who was Libby protecting? And not only the "fabricators of war", but the strategic planners, speech-makers and architects of war who acted hand in hand with the propagandists and the journalists who disseminated the propaganda? What is the link between all these high- level functionaries, propagandists and journalists?
Equally important given the positions of power which this cabal occupied, and the influence they exercised in the mass media as well as in designing strategic policy, what forces were engaged in bringing criminal charges against a key operative of the cabal?
Libby's rise to power was part and parcel of the ascendancy of the neo-conservatives to the summits of US policymaking. Libby was a student, protégé, and collaborator with Paul Wolfowitz for over 25 years. Libby along with Wolfowitz, Elliot Abrams, Douglas Feith, Kagan, Cohen, Rubin, Pollack, Chertoff, Fleisher, Kristol, Marc Grossman, Shumsky and a host of other political operators were long term believers and aggressive proponents of a virulently militaristic tendency of Zionism linked with the rightwing Likud Party of Israel. Early in the 1980's, Wolfowitz and Feith were charged with passing confidential documents to Israel, the latter temporarily losing his security clearance.
The ideologues begin their "Long March" through the institutions of the state. In some cases, advisers to rightwing pro-Israel congressmen, others in the lower levels of the Pentagon and State Department, in other cases as academics or leaders of conservative think tanks in Washington during the Reagan and Bush senior regimes. With the election of Bush in 2001, they moved into major strategic positions in the government, and as the principal ideologues and propagandists for a sequence of wars against Arab adversaries of the Israeli State. Leading neocons, like Libby, drew up a war strategy for the Likud government in 1996, and then recycled the document for the US war against Iraq before and immediately after 9/11/01. Along with their rise to the most influential positions of power in the Bush administration, the neocons attracted new recruits, like New York Times reporter Judith Miller.
What is striking about the operations of the 'cabal' is the very open and direct way in which they operated: former Director of the National Security Agency (under Reagan) Lt. General William Odom, retired Marine General Anthony Zinni, Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson (former chief of staff of Powell), retired Air Force Lt. Colonel Karen Kwiatkowski, National Security Adviser to President George Bush (the First) Brent Scowcroft, and numerous disenchanted officials, including veterans of the intelligence agencies, high level observers, and former diplomats openly criticized the neocon takeover of US policy and the close relationship between them and Israeli officals.
In the run-up to the invasion of Iraq, Wolfowitz and Libby were the architects of the military strategy for Rumsfeld and Cheney, their bosses. Douglas Feith established the "Office of Special Planning" to fabricate the lies to justify the war. Judith Miller, David Frum and Ari Fleisher served to disseminate the lies and war propaganda through articles, interviews, press conferences, and speechwriting for President Bush.
The neocons pushed to manipulate and marginalize many of the key institutions in the US imperial state. To circumvent intelligence from the CIA that didn't promote the Israeli agenda of war with Iraq, neocon Douglas Feith (number 3 in the Pentagon) established the Office of Special Planning, which fabricated propaganda and channeled it directly to the President's Office bypassing and marginalizing any critical review from the CIA. Wolfowitz and Rumsfeld marginalized the leading generals, promoting nondescript "loyalists" and outsiders to the top positions, and discarding any advice which opposed or conflicted with their plans for war with Iraq. The Secretary of State referred to a speech prepared for him by Libby as "bullshit" because of its falsehoods. His chief aide, Colonel Wilkerson has written disparagingly of the cabal, which marginalized the State Department including his boss Powell.
The prosecution of Libby however reveals the intense internal struggle over the control of the US imperial state between the neocons and the traditional leaders of its major institutions. Along with the indictment of Libby by a grand jury at the request of the special prosecutor, the FBI has arrested the two leading policy makers of the most influential pro-Israeli lobby (AIPAC) for spying for the State of Israel. These are not simply isolated actions by individual officials or investigators. To have proceeded against Libby and AIPAC leaders , they had to have powerful institutional backing; otherwise the investigations would have been terminated even before they began.
The CIA is deeply offended by the neocon usurpation of their intelligence role, their direct channels to the President, their loyalty to Israel. The military is extremely angry at their exclusion from the councils of government over questions of war, the disastrous war policy which have depleted the armed forces of recruits, devastated troop morale, and the neocons' grotesque ignorance of the costs of a colonial occupation. It is no wonder that General Tommy Frank referred to Douglas Feith as "the stupidest bastard I have ever met."
The current institutional war recalls an earlier conflict between the rightwing Senator Joseph McCarthy and the Defense Department. At the time during the mid 1950's, Senator McCarty was accumulating power first by purging trade unions, Hollywood, the universities, and promoting likeminded conservative officials. He successfully extended his investigations and purges to the State Department and finally tried to do the same to the military. It was here that Senator McCarthy met his Waterloo, his attack backfired, the Army stood its ground, refuted his accusations and discredited his fabrications and grab for power.
In the meantime, the neocons are not at all daunted by the trials of their colleagues in AIPAC and the Vice President's office: they are pressing straight ahead for the US to attack Syria and Iran, via economic sanctions and military bombing. On October 30, 2005 the former head of the Israel Secret Police (Shin Bet) told AIPAC to escalate their campaign to pressure in the US to attack Iran (Israel National News.com). There was a near unanimous vote in the US Congress in favor of economic sanctions against Syria. Despite mass demonstrations, and because of a 'captured' congress, it appears paradoxically that the only force capable of defeating the neocon juggernaut, like the earlier Joe McCarthy, are powerful voices in the state threatened by new disastrous wars not of their making.
James Petras, a former Professor of Sociology at Binghamton University, New York, owns a 50 year membership in the class struggle, is an adviser to the landless and jobless in brazil and argentina and is co-author of Globalization Unmasked (Zed). His new book with Henry Veltmeyer, Social Movements and the State: Brazil, Ecuador, Bolivia and Argentina, will be published in October 2005. He can be reached at: jpetras@binghamton.edu
Truthteller speaks the truth. In reality, however, the women and children must be spared.
The circle of hatred continues unless we react...
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Evelyn Smith…
Please allow me to pick a bone with you, even though I'm a vegetarian. I just finished reading the truthteller's and then you response thereto. Without agreeing or disagreeing with either comment, your concern over the hypothetical bloodshed strikes me as being disingenuous, or one-sided at best. You virulently attacked him in so many words and paragraphs for just saying something, while neither of us know whether he would actually do what he says he dreams about.
I'm sure you know of American casualties in the war on Iraq. More than 3500 dead, tens of thousand injured. Perhaps outwards of more than half a million Iraqi civilians dead, thousands injured, and about 4 million refugees. Now, these are not just words or dreams. These are real, and a sea of blood has been shed. About 100 Iraqis are killed every single day. Day in day out occupying soldiers kick house doors open, scare the devil out of the trembling, innocent occupants, and of course, sometimes kill them.
Tell me, in proportion, how many paragraphs have you written or should you write, and how vitriolic an attack should you launch on the perpetrators of this real humongous bloodshed, considering that Iraqis did not lie to the soldiers, never trampled their Constitution, never illegally wiretap them, and the soldiers don't even belong there in the first place? I have not seen that many paragraphs from you about this actual bloodshed. That is why I thought your concern about bloodshed was disingenuous.
Regards, and peace be with you.
Evelyn Smith;
I guess that you might be trolling for the Reich wing. The Soviets used the tactic of delcaring dissidents insane as an excuse to lock them up. One definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different outcome. The establishment progressive/left movement continues to conduct public protests that receive virtually no media coverage, or dismissive coverage as not being of "mainstream" opinion. I used a dream metaphore (perhaps awkwardly, given the late hour, but unapologetically) because I'm not insane enough to openly call for armed insurrection at this point, yet. I don't think being homicidally enraged at these bastards represents any kind of insanity. The insanity comes from the fundamentalist sheeple who believe that a long dead prophet will come back to save them from the troubles they see in the World and take them to a better place, so it doesn't matter what the government does. That's insane, not a call to consider armed rebellion as a last resort if all other peaceful means fail.
What kind of progress have we made? The vast majority of those who put a Democratic majority in Congress last Fall did so for two reasons. They wanted to get out of Iraq, and impeach Bush and Cheney. Well, the new Congressional leadership refuses to do either. I ask you, any of you, what is a sane response to a continuing failure of the Constitutional system? A system that any sane person paying attention to the total story realizes is stacked against the average working person in this Country in just about every way. We have no chance of changing anything as long as the price of admission is massive amounts of cash. We have no way of changing a system when the vast majority of the people have been anesthetized by hypnotic TV shows, irrelevant sports, and other distractions - like being forced to work excessive overtime just to stay in place.
Those who picked up on my Revolutionary War reference realize that one-third of those living here at the start of the American Revolution were forced to leave the Country at the end of the war because they supported the British. This just about matches the 25 - 27% hardcore support that Bush does not seem to drop below. This represents the born-again theocrats and wealthy aristocracy that do not believe in democracy or having a republic. These are the people who need to leave. They are the ones saying "Love it or leave it", because they want a country diametrically opposed to what the founders had in mind.
So Evelyn, I'm not insane. I'm no more insane than former Sen. Mike Gravel, when he stated that the Democratic frontrunners for President scare him. I think my outrage is the very sane result of a feeling of gross impotence about a situation that is totally out of control. A very sane response indeed.
Kivals, I think we pretty much know and can predict the consequences of this excessive, abusive and predatory global corporatism.
We are heading for a meltdown, beginning in the USA banking system (and the sicko USA currency). The ripple effect will be world-wide, but Americans will suffer immensely and far more than other nations because they are unprepared for it and don't have the social safety-nets (or social consciousness) to intervene effectively in what's coming very soon. Europeans do a better job on that end, which is why the euro will reach highs of well over $1.50.
Also, having survived wars, famines and revolutions (and having a longer attention-span/memory than do Americans) -- europeans will act to take "solidarity" measures...whereas Americans will hunker down with guns in their barricaded homes, "every man for himself," etc. It will be total chaos in the States. Brutal and deadly.
Nanno,
While I perfectly understand your position on gun ownership and, indeed, sympathise to a certain extent (shooting out tyres is pretty 'wild west' though, don't you think? You'd have done time in Britain, that's for sure!), with respect, I think you've rather missed the point of my posting.
Protection against wild animals on the frontier is one thing, and the necessity for an effective deterent against personal harm in what may well be a violent and paranoid urban environment another, but wasn't the original rationale for the 2nd Amendment so that it would enable American citizens to protect the democratic republic of the United States of America against corrupt autocrats, in that case the British?
Ask yourself, exactly what has changed? And can the 2nd Amendment of that oh so 'sacred' Constitution still be justified according to its legal definition? If so, then by all means, fire away and best of luck. It would be a good idea to ensure your targets are judiciously chosen, however......you know, like the tires of a truck, for example!!
If I may say so, I find the ironies of the prevailing circumstances in the US to be almost beyond tragic. I don't think many would argue against America now appearing to have surpassed even Britain for its absurd acquiesence to a charlatan elite. As the poem of Al Markowitz implies (see above), you should all just come and have a nice cup of tea with the Queen, you'll be safer with her!!
Out of the infinite possible paths a civilized society can take, the USA, and to a lesser extent the other Western industrial nations, have taken a path to empower corporations to control the society. Corporations made themselves appear attractive as risk-limited wealth-producers, as they can magnify wealth quickly, in a fashion completely unsustainable over the long-term, so that the few, usually including the decisionmakers and their cronies and associates, can become enormously wealthy in a relatively short period of time.
Too bad that the limitation of risks associated with the corporations only apply to the investors and their investment and only apply for a limited period of time. The risk to the general society over the long-term is unlimited. And with corporations set up as profit-seeking automata, that must focus only on profits, and only on the short-term in order to survive, it is almost as if an algorithm has been designed for societal destruction and the corporation is the agent.
And the Bush administration, as chief representative of the controlling corporate cabal, is as ugly of a manifestation of such phenomena that we have witnessed, indicating a high and growing likelihood that the system is pushing its tolerance levels and will probably crash soon, with unknown and unpredictable consequences.
Bully Bushie keeps raising the middle finger at the American people because he knows he can get away with it, every time. No one will take him or Tricky Dickie on. The Republican Party has descended to an amoral thieves' den and the Democrats, save one or two honourable exceptions, are expedients and careerists constantly triaging the 'public pulse' and ending up with ineffective compromise. And the American people are too fat, too self-absorbed, and too ignorant to revolt. What a pathetic 'democracy'!!
Peacemaker, sorry about your loss of confidence in American consumers. I don't know why. We are the same people who skinned indigenous mommies & daddies alive in front of their children 150 years ago, much as we have done in Abu Ghraib sodomizing little boys and raping little girls in front of their mothers, not for 'intel' - BECAUSE WE LIKE TO DO THAT TO HUMANS.
Save your despair for that time when Federal Troops are doing the same to you and yours right here in the USA, #1 with a bullet. It's all right, the 2nd US Civil War will be brief, no one will win, and Chaos will follow. The living of course will envy the dead. THERE ARE CONSEQUENCES. But don't expect the white population here to do anything. They're waiting for the Rapture.
what can i say. Bush, Cheney and Co. are crooks pure and simple. what's that old saying: what goes around, comes around. and it will. there is still time to put their butts into Gitmo. Federal prison would be too easy for them. They would make some good boyfriends to some hardened criminals which i believe they are-pure and simple.
Beowulf -- Kudos and Thanks for taking the time, you nailed it. I have been referring to cheneybushcriminals, but in no way did I mean to imply that the crimes and guilt are perpetrated solely by and for those two individuals.
Yes, they are the frontmen for a global corporatist cabal, enriching themselves and their dynasties in the process, but by no means alone in this. Evil gravitates to the darkest forces in a global web, they feed off one another.
These PNAC/Neocon extremists have joined forces with the very worst sociopaths the planet has to offer -- all the while financing, facilitating and yes orchestrating the "terror networks" they themselves created so as to benefit from Julius Ceasar's maxum: "if Rome has no enemies then Rome must create enemies." And we all know why the cheneybushcriminals required enemies.
kathyodat July 4th, 2007 12:16 pm
So my question is, how far does Bush have to go before Congress decides he's gone too far?
So my question to you kathyodat? How far are the citizen's of this country going to let this thug go before they do something about him? The responsiblity of this mess ultimately rests with the people of this country. Who have choosen for some reason to allow such corruption to go on for over 6 years. And not complained about it until recently. Who had the chance in 2004 to get the bastard out of office. But, instead voted him back into office (admittedly it was by a slim margin). He had a track record that stunk to high heaven then. Anyone with a brain in their head knew he wasn't going to improve one iota if given a second term. So why did American's vote him back into office????? That year I had faith in the American people to do what was right...vote him out of office in a landslide election! I have lost every ounce of faith I ever had in the American people to do what is right! So, what do people like you honestly think Congress can do about this mess the people have gotten them into???? We have an out of control administration who has thumbed it's nose at the laws, the Constitution, at Democracy and all this country stands for from day one! Tried to dismantle the entire country, bankrupt it and insulted it with a orgy of corruption. If Clinton had done even a portion of what Bush has done he would have been impeached instantly. But, I do not see any huge ground swell of people demanding the administration all resign. In fact, they seem to have resigned themselves to the corruption that is blatant in Bush/Cheney. So, like I have said before 'What can Congress do about it until the American people start demanding better'????? You can only blame Congress to a point then you have to start looking at the people.
George W. Bush Movin' Out Campaign
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aB6PNTKM2xg
B.ush
U.S.
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H.ome!
Hopefully some mainsteam organizations, e.g. MoveOn, start organizing an Impeachment march in Washington. We need an Impeachment march with hundreds of thousands of protestors, and soon, with everyone chanting for Impeachment in unison, making it as intimidating as possible. We must put real pressure on the Congress to do something. It is now or never!
Bush owns you.
Thank You Keith, I watched and was hoping to see it in print.
weepingbuffalo, I'm one for having guns. I also think that if cities or counties want to pursue being gun free they should be allowed to do so. Personally, I feel safer knowing I could ward off a bear attack, wolf, or other creatures. Not all people live in the safety of guarded neighborhoods. I have used the gun as a threat against man on 2 occasions. One was a date rape situation where the man just wouldn't respect no and stop it. I realized the situation was getting hopeless, so I played nice for a minute then excused myself to get into something more comfortable. I returned with the loaded pistol, aimed it at him, told him if he took one step towards me I would fire, and I would have. I then told him you know your way out, and he left. The other time my second husband was fighting with my teenage son. I tried to break it up but that didn't work. My son was getting hurt, blood. I went for the phones and both were missing. I went outside and my husband's truck was blocking the driveway. I went and got my loaded pistol and told my husband I was going to shoot his truck. That finally got his attention and him outside. He refused to leave, so I shot one tire, after another, all four. Ran inside and locked him out.
I think it would be wise for people to hang onto their guns. I certainly wouldn't want only the military and law enforcement to have them.
fazzbot, By the way, don't dignify Rush by calling him 'limburgher'. If he ever set foot in my native limburg my compatriots would tar and feather him. Same for Oh'realy.
Saila, it's a done deal -- Jeff Gannon blew the bushtard years ago, that's no secret. So when do the Dems start playing hardball? Are they afraid of a male-on-male sex scandal involving bush and Gannon and how many others? I don't care what they use to bring him and his fellow thugs down, they should just DO IT, and fast.
Re: Bowling For Columbine, (US), 2002, Michael Moore
....that would be intellectual justification, of course!
I greatly appreciate the rhetoric, but there are several points sorely missed or misstated, to whit:
1. It is NOT an "oil-spill". It is a BLOOD-SPILL that numbers as we speak several millions of innocent souls, not counting the tens of thousands of U.S. "citizens" that goose-stepped willingly towards active participation in genocide only to be worsted by their betters, men and women fighting and dying as needs be to uphold their sovereign rights.
2. The author apparently has no understanding of the criminal murder that has been wrought upon millions of innocent people "just trying to live their lives...", but can clearly see that a few thousand americans claiming to be "citizens" received the rather obvious consequences of their own actions in willingly serving a criminal regime in it´s Hitlerite enterprise.
3. The attempt to portray the entire criminal enterprise conducted by the global corporate criminal, led by American corporate criminals, as the fault of that "nasty George Bush" is a farce and a fraud.
There are several hundred more "nasty Georges" located in Washington D.C. and all are in the pay of the corporate criminal that in actuality owns our nation as well as others body and soul, temporarily I hasten to add.
Bush is merely yet another ludicrously inept Quisling to the precepts that founded the nationstate and have yet to be fairly enacted, again for rather obvious reasons.
In closing, my fellow Americans, the only thing that will now suffice is this:
1. The immediate apprehension by any means necessary of the criminals squatting in Washington D.C. I hope all of you are well aware of Prof. Boyle´s treatise concerning citizens arrest.
2. The trial and certain justice being rendered upon the known criminals among us for their long since demonstrated and openly conducted crimes against humanity, the nation, and the precepts of same. This includes those "citizen soldiers" who willingly serve criminals for a paycheck rather than serve the Constitution (for none can honestly claim ignorance of the known facts, especially those serving on the ground), includes those within what was known as the U.S. Congress who willingly agreed to the criminal assault on any entirely innocent people, and assuredly includes every single member of the rogue regime´s so-called "cabinet".
3. The immediate retraction of all serving members of the armed forces of the U.S. from Mesopotamia. The immediate cessation of all activities of any nature by all private contractors to the criminal who will be prosecuted to the full extent of the law for their willing and knowing participation in crimes against humanity. Those forces are to be disarmed and incarcerated locally pending the rendering of justice upon them.
4. The immediate annulment of any contracts signed between the criminal regime of our nationstate and the fraudulently installed fake "government" of Iraq. (Educate yourself. Find out WHY it is a fraudulently installed fake before you try to rebutt the point.)
5. The immediate commencement of the most massive no-strings aid ever seen to the innocent peoples of Mesopotamia by this nationstate. Aid that will make the Marshall Plan pale into insignifance for rather obvious reasons.
For those of you still childishly inept enough to place your trust in a corrupt system of "Democrats" or "Republicans", or even worse to actually still place your faith in the feudal as well as barbaric concept of "nationstates" instead of placing yourselves squarely behind the precept that all humanity is created equal and that there is only one race, of humans, of one nation, planet Earth... let me suggest that you view "The Wizard of Oz", a tale that apparently escaped you at an earlier age.
W.hole E.arth E.quality P.arty ... coming sooner than you think.
Keith, thanks for the article, but you seem to be missing one very important point. You see, America is the country of three S's: Sports, Stomach, and Sex. That is what's on people's mind all the time. The letter P for politics almost never registers with them. You could add a few dozen more charges to your list, but unless it is somehow connected to one of the above three catch words, it would not attract the people's attention. On the basis of historical records, as soon as someone gives this guy a blowjob, impeachment will jump on the table.
I hope that Keith Olbermann has a body guard. God only knows what the Bush Crime Family thinks of his impudence, to question the Son of a Bush and his compadres. All, I can add is my thanks to Keith for daring to speak up (and my prayers for your safety!) PLUS my plea for action:
Call Pelosi's office and tell her to put impeachment back on the table -- we're way past last straws. Call your Congress member and demand impeachment of Bush and Cheney, or at the very least their signing on to Dennis Kucinich's H.Res. 333 to impeach Cheney. I called mine and Pelosi's office and they are listening closer. Speak up. Don't let this recess week bury this latest neocon atrocity.
Congressional Switchboard: 202-224-3121
Speaker Nancy Pelosi: 202-225-0100
Tag, you're it. Act. Call. Ask your friends to do similarly. Thanks.
Re: Bowling For Columbine, (US), 2002, Michael Moore.
The justification for the 2nd Amendment to the US constitution has long been a sham.
Before anymore innocents are harmed, Americans...justify your guns once and for all or get rid of them!
P.S. to KemPatrick:
Hitler was elected as a minority candidate with only 30% of the vote. He was not revered -- fully 2-thirds of German electorate considered Hitler to be a clown with a thick Austrain/peasant accent,albeit articulate. Nevertheless, the informed populace laughed at him, they did not revere him.
Hitler bacame "revered" only thanks to the Goebbels propaganda machine and the fear he inspired in all opposition due to violent methods of eliminating dissent. Today's cheneybushcriminals employ more sophisticated methods of control and intimidation. But it stinks just the same.
Olbermann, who knows history well, does not hesitate to make comparisons between Goebbels' methods and those of Karl Rove/Dick Cheney/PNAC, etc. ad nauseum. I've also heard him make reference or logical linkages to the points I have raised here.
Nite...to KemPtrick.
But since it's nearly noon where I am I will add this:
Contrary to your statement, Germany WAS INDEED A DEMOCRACY, Hitler was democratically elected. Then he began chipping away at that democracy until his minions had intimidated/threatened/terrified/blackmailed the democratically-elected members of Germany's Parliamentary Democracy to such an extent that they LEGALLY turned over their power to Hitler's party.
He didn't even have to SEIZE POWER, the opposition Parliamentarians GAVE it to him, OUT OF FEAR. Sound familiar?
A most revealing and exposing article! Thank you, Keith.
But I've got mine to add:
I accuse you, Mr President, of illegally wiretapping and digging up the skeletons on every member of the Congress, especially Democrats, who with a few exceptions are corrupt to the core, and thereby intimidating and blackmailing them to be silent and to put IMPEACHMENT off the table.
Extract from
http://www.worldreports.org/news/67_former_bank_of_engla
which discusses rather esoteric and hidden machinations that have been in progress and concern an enormous amount of money that belongs in the US treasury. I have no way of determining the truth of the accusations revealed by this web site, but they fit in well with reports of Cheney's wealth having increased seventy-fold.
"THE REAL, SECRET REASON FOR PRESIDENT BUSH'S DECISION ON LEWIS LIBBY
This Presidential 'decision' gave rise to 18 immediate public statements by prominent personages, including Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald, Senator Dick Durbin [D-Illinois], former Senator Fred Thompson [R-Tennessee], Senator Patrick Leahy [D-Vermont], Rep. Roy Blount [R-Missouri], Senator Barack Obama [D-Illinois], former New York Mayor, Rudi Giuliani, Senate Majority leader, Harry Reid [D-Nevada], Senator Hillary Clinton [D-New York], House of Representatives Speaker, Nancy Pelosi [D-California], Senator Joe Biden [D-Delaware], Senator Christopher Dodd (Stalin's grandson, D-California), Senator John Kerry [D-Massachusetts], the Governor of New Mexico, Bill Richardson, and Valerie Plame's husband, Joseph Wilson (4).
Most (but not all) of the comments immediately forthcoming from these figures were critical, but not a single one of them divulged the REASON for President Bush's deciding to 'commute' Mr Libby's 30-month prison sentence.
What was the reason? Why, it was because Lewis Libby had threatened, as rats in a sack are apt to do, to rat on Vice President Richard Cheney, and to spill the beans on the hornets' nest of financial corruption over which Cheney, Bush Sr., Bush Jr., Paulson, Chertoff and the other scum who are collectively responsible for bringing the whole world to the brink of financial calamity, have been presiding. And if anyone knows, IN DETAIL, what abominations these people have perpetrated, and the scale of the financial corruption and theft that continues to this day, it is 'Scooter' Libby.
One of Mr Libby's clients was none other than Marc Rich (Reich), exposed by this Editor as the long-range German Deutsche Verteidigungs Dienst (DVD) operative Hans Brand (5). DVD is the Nazi Continuum HQ, located, of all places, in Dachau."
I didn't suggest you were insane, it was the other nut I was referring to. Colin Powell is a member of the Carlyle group. Powell will support the Bushes.
Unlike the people of Germany, who by and large, revered Hitler. The people of America by and large do not suport Bush. And since the Iraq war his support is near only 25%. We cannot equate Germany of the 30s and 40s to America of today. Germany was not a Democracy, America is supposed to be; our Constitution is being violated but is still in force if our congress enforces it. Some things do take time and I am willing to wait for the proper legal steps to be taken. If someone else wishes to start an armed revolution, let them do so, let them line their troops up and march on DC. I have seen many blowhards attempt to start a fight and if and when it starts, the blowhards are standing in the bushes watching. You know what? This is an un-winnable debate or argument for anyone, lets knock it off and do something productive.___ Nite,___ Kem Patrick
Go back and read JJPETER's post! He (or she) had it right. It's time for some sincere anger. It's time for Americans to storm the castle, throwing caution to the wind if you will. One of the biggest reasons we are not doing that is because the economic system we are now operating under - otherwise known as tyranny of the bottom line - causes us to feel so afraid of losing our jobs, losing our houses, our cars, and everything else that we still owe money on at ridiculous interest rates, that we refrain from risking anything. What we need is a wave of anger, so dense and fast moving that even those in the elite minority begin to surf along with us. You see, what we need is real anger, turned into action, even if that action is not very organized. The organizers and leaders will come. There are plenty of talented thinkers in this country who will rise to the occassion when we are standing on the steps of the White House, holding OUR flag, giving OUR press conference.
This beautiful ideal can be made real, even if in a different format, dig? The main point is, the tide of anger, resentment, and the overall feeling that what we have in this country, we have as the result of unjust policies here and abroad, must be such a strong tide that it is unavoidable. Then, those who already have nothing to lose, like our brothers and sisters in our ghettos, and our so-called middle class families that work for negative earnings when you add in the debt, will all feel compelled to join in the fight. It can happen politically, socially, economically, even violently if it must. But it must! We need to get there. We need to be willing to sacrifice. That is what the American people have forgotten how to do.
...moreover, Evelyn Smith, an entire country under Hitler became criminally insane. It was a national pathology. The Rovian/Cheney/PNAC camp have employed sociopathic and propagandist/fear methods to control USA citizens in the wake of 911.
Had we not raised our voices against them the Rovians might well hav succeeded in their nazi strategies -- albeit more polished and sophisticated these days. Have you forgotten the anthrax letters to Daschle and Leahy? The "accidental" deaths of Senator Wellstone, his wife and daughter, his staff? Have you forgotten who we are dealing with?
The tide may be turning, but cheneybushcriminals have put into LAW an effective dictatorship, and that is not exaggeration. They MUST be threatened with violence, in no uncertain terms...or with the flick of another button/NORAD stand-down they can do it AGAIN...and it will be too late for us to fight back OTHER than with blood everywhere, our blood and our childrens' blood.
You don't want that? Don't want to even TALK about such an eventuality? You take the "we'll cross that bridge If and When we come to it" position? Then you are in dangerous denial. And I am not insane for reminding you.
...as EFFECTIVE tyrants. That should be enough for us.
So I can't concur with your refusal to envisage/discuss/debate threat of violence. THe history of citizens' violence against repressive government has been ERASED or discredited in USA history. And for good reason. The powers do not wish our citizens to accept it as a legit method, of course.
I don't buy it. When tyrants murder thousands (on 911? Just a suggestion that MIGHT have happened), when they foment wars that kill and displace a million Iraqis, when they send 30,000 USA troops to their deaths and maiming...then I refuse to take THREAT OF VIOLENT RESPONSE TO TYRANTS off the table.
And our Congress must be FORCED to face the potential violent RAGE of their constituents. If Congress does not want it to degenerate to violence, LET THEM ACT NOW.
Kem, Paul Smith is correct in reminding us that "such violence is as potent a tool as the fear whipped up by this administration following 911".
Sorry, but it should never be taken off the table. Jefferson stated (paraphrasing) that when a people fear their government that is tyranny, whereas when a government fears its people that's democracy. Bingo
The cheneybushcriminels are not "reasonable" people. Threat of violence against such criminal regimes is a real and effective tool. I myself had hoped in 2002 that bushtard's threat of violence against Saddam was an effective and legit strategy. I could not BELIEVE that Powell would let the PNAC/cheney traitors actually move beyond threat to murderous and illegal invasion...but they did it.
The duty of a citizenry and our reps to theaten this regime with every means and all leverage we dispose of. Standing up to nazis (and they ARE nazis albeit not "declared dictators" (your term). They are acting as EFFECTIVE
Hi Paul Smith, Agree with your comments about Pelosi, you are right on target there.
Hi Canardtahiti, I agree one may fantasize, but when they publish their insane thoughts in that manner, it is wrong. If I were insane, (and all insane people realize they are, and they justly fear it) I would not yell it out in public, unless I was crying for help. So we hear the cry and agree, go seek help truthteller.
Thanks, Evelyn Smith (Kem) for your post regarding Truthteller. I've seen his/her posts before, and while I believe this one especially juvenile & ill conceived, there are a lot of people who think along these lines.
The truth stated, or implied, is we are still in a global struggle against remnants of the Nazi ideology, methods, and even people & descendents of WWII. As I've written in the past I don't believe a war actually ends until every one of the people who fought in it are dead.
As a youth growing up in Virginia I was subjected to the hatreds fomented by the Civil War, rejected it as a warped world view, but something changed in the American character following the demise of the last Civil War vet somewhere around the early 1960's. Soon after a southern man named Johnson got the Civil Rights Act ramrodded through the legislative process, despite it being political suicide for his party, and America went through a major change.
Sadly, if my inclination in thought is correct, we will be somewhere in the 2040's before the effects of WWII are relegated to the dustbins of history, and the divisiveness of the Viet Nam mis-adventure following a couple decades past that.
Time, because of advanced communications, seems to speed up somewhat, but we can still count on the effects of Bush's pre-emptive attack philosophy to be with us for at least five or six more decades (if we survive as a species that long after DU & climate change have their way with us).
As a non-violent protester during the Viet Nam era, I must (for the sake of consistency) say I disagree with people who claim the ONLY way to recover our much abused democracy is blood running in the streets, but at the same time agree the threat of such violence is as potent a tool as the fear whipped up by this administration following 9/11.
Unlike Nancy Pelosi no cards have been permanently withdrawn from the table (and if she has any hopes of re-election or respect from the electorate she will pull that one from her sleeve, if she knows what a winning hand looks like, and slide it back on the table). The best way to attack a pack of rats is with many cats following their own paths. Watch your back, though, Truthteller.
That person, code named truthteller is a sychopath too and it is self exident. Read it again, He says murder the entire families, their kids. If you believe that is justified you need help also.
The only time we should even thnk about armed revolution, would be if our government does turn into a declared dictatorship. That has not ocurred and therefore such should not be discussed.
I don't mind penning my opinions and if someone wishes to disagree in a decent manner, like you have done, that is fine. But I do not agree we should advocate or discuss the type of ations truhteller recklessly spits out. If Common Dreams is about that type of getting changes in our country, then I want no part of it.
Evelyn Smith...
Okay, so Truthteller's justified hyperbole set you on edge. Well, it was intended to do precisely that. Cheneybushcriminals are a hair-breadth away from total dictatorship, thanks to Executive Order 54.
Look it up. It LEGALLY permits these fascists to replace the entire federal government, including judiciary, ACROSS THE NATION for an indeterminate length of time, at the whim of our new "Unitary Executive," based on ANY "national emergency." Add to that the end of Posse Comitatus and the negation of Habeas Corpus...it's the perfect formula for Goulag USA.
Go back and read Jefferson's call for the "blood of traitors" to be spilled, learn about how Tories AND THEIR FAMILIES were lynched from lamp posts in Boston during the War for Independence against King George and his murderous thugs.
Cheneybushcriminals are far more dangerous to our world than was Mussolini, summarily executed by a mob. The German officers who belatedly and ineffectively attempted to kill Hitler were entirely justified, they were heros and martyrs.
I'm not calling for this type of mob solution. But Truthteller is entitled to fantasize on a deservedly violent end for these socopathic killers. Dahmer and Bundy were amateurs compared to cheneybushcriminals. They do it "big-time," but without getting their own grubby/greedy hands too dirty.
When a government remains willfully unresponsive to the legal/democratic means available to its citizenry as recourse against totalitarianism, THERE IS NO OTHER MEANS AVAILABLE beyond massive resistance to that government.
Passive/peaceful means sometimes work (see Ghandi and MLK). However, the brute force response of a fascist government (ie. nazi regimes) precludes peaceful/passive methods -- they are violently repressive to their own citizens and to the world.
What's left? Yes, I know it's unpleasant and "barbaric." But so are the cheneybushcriminals. Barbaric. Sociopathic. At war with "we the people" and our Constitution. A danger to our planet.
I am not calling for a Robespierre or a guillotine erected in every town and village across the land. No...but we do need true patriots to recognize that a "worse-case scenario" will oblige them to act against the tyrants. Quickly, effectively, intelligently.
Mme. Speaker of the House CAN order the Seargent at Arms to ARREST and TAKE INTO CUSTODY a "unitary executive" that is practicing "inherent contempt" of Congress. What happens if the Seargent at Arms and his group are prevented from doing so when they arrive at the WH? On whose side will the Secret Service find itself, our side or "their" side??? Wll the Congressional delegation be gunned down if they lawfully attempt to march cheneybushcriminals up the Capital steps (to a lawful trial)?
A stong current of potential violence/bloody revolution is in the air -- therefore, intelligent patriots must act NOW before the situation degenerates entirely. Are you listening, Mme. Speaker of the House Pelosi? Are you listening JointChiefsofStaff and retired generals who DESPISE what bush has done to the military? Are you listening Wes Clark? Are you listening, America?
What do you mean plenum?
TRUTHTELLER. ___were you sober when you wrote what I just read? If you were, then you do not belong here. Have you ever sought treatment in a mental health facility? If not, I suggest you do so and don't wait, for to dream is one thing, to make them up is quite another. Your sickening dream was much too descriptive to have been a sleeping dream. You are a sick person and you need SERIOUS help. Murder someone, their family, their children? You don't know the everlasting pain of burying a son and I hope no one ever does. Take your insane ranting elsewhere, I'm very surprised CD allowed your hateful commentary to print. I'm done, don't bother to reply, if your code name appears, I won't read it and hope that no one else does either. Damn!! I believe advocating murder or a violent over throw of our government, and or it's leaders is a federal crime. We do not need that, we need to get together and work on the problems in a sober and sensible manner. Kem Ptrick
Words are no longer enough, folks... We have plenty of justification for denying non-violent responses to this administration.
Time to act!
I have never said Bush was my President, and never will. Maybe I don't have much good sportsmanship left in me after all the criminal abuse I have seen in my now 50 years. After the '04 election I wished Bush nothing but ill, and that seems to have transpired - except for him still being alive and President.
I think we have gone far beyond any time of "Political rivals during the day, drinking buddies at night", kind of politics in this Country. Near the end of his seminal work, "A People's History of the United States...", Howard Zinn states: "Bipartisanship is another term for totalitarianism". Truer words have never been spoken. It's time for Mr. Jefferson's Second American Revolution. To quote another great American radical, John Brown: "...The crimes of this guilty land will never be purged away but with blood..."; preferably the blood of the neo-con scum who have illegally seized control of the reins of power.
I fear it has come down to that. These people have no shame, or intention of giving up power, either electorially, or judicially. They have too many powerful commercial and military allies. We may have to resort to the tactics of the Cold War era potboiler "Red Dawn", where a group of high school students become a guerilla force to harass and kill Soviet invaders in the Western U. S.
I no longer have pleaant dreams of sweet young things. These days I dream of seeing every last scumbag from this administration (the women too, including the wives and children - no surviving spawn) tied to stakes on the South Lawn of the White House, then shot at sunrise, their corpses hung from the Truman Balcony for a couple of days before being secretly cremated and scattered to the wind, like the Nazi war criminals they so resemble, so there will be no memorials to the evil they represented. Then, and only then may we once again have any semblance of peace and justice in this land.
Terrific comments but I need to talk about Keith Olbermann - our eloquent spokesman. Several persons compare him to Edward R. Murrow. Yes, they are similar but Keith presents a passion that I do not remember Murrow displaying. Keep us alert Keith and thanks !
Whatever you do, do not back these crazies into a corner. I agree with impeachment too, however I have researched these criminals for years prior to getting into the White House. They WILL NOT GO OUT quietly.
Coffeelover,,,,,,,,,
J'accuse! indeed! Keith Olberman is right on the button. He only missed one more item that belongs on the Cheney/Bush indictment, and that is the destruction (for all practical purposes) of habeas corpus. You know, that can come very close to home for each and every one of us!
Moseby,
I checked and rechecked prior to bashing you based on my erroroneous misread. I hope you accept my sincere apology.
I'm voting for Robin Willians, write in if necessary. No one owns him in DC. Don't believe he could be bought either.
Hi Paul, Your posts are thought provoking and the points you brought up are right on target.
As I see it, the most important thing that has has happened for the better, is the media has ("suddenly") begun to attack the current administration. This is for the most part new. It wasn't just Keith Olbermann, it was every network last night, Chris Matthews and others joined right in.
Cheney and Bush are only in power, because the "real" money boys allow it. They made money from the war in Iraq, they make money because that is what they do. When a president begins to harm their style, one who won't listen, they get rid of him. The oil Barons own Bush, Cheney, and many others, we all know it.
The men behind the scene are now afraid of Bush, they know that if we hit Iran, it will be not only be the downfall of America, it will be the end of them. Survival is also a top priority on their list. They control almost everything in this country and in many others.
Who "really" owns Coca-Cola, Haliburton, the press and visual media? Who owns Greyhound, major trucking firms, department stores, and the food industry? The list is too long to write. Then of course the Insurance companies where a vast ammount of the money flows into and out of, they control more money than the banking industry. Who owns them? A handful of powerful men we never hear of. They have allowed Keith and the other newscasters to speak out, those media men do exactly what they are told to do.
So, I am not quite as cocerned about the prospect of Bush invading Iran, or taking over as a dictator now. He will be ousted, or put in a box until the next election.
That is how I see it, the Dogs Of No War have been unchained, and the press will not let this die down. They can't, they are told what to cover and how to cover it. this will not stop Fascism, it is here. It will just help to keep it undercover, so we the sheep will relax and stop worrying. Next prez? Take your pick, but whomever, they will do their bidding, pocket a few scraps of a billion or so and smile for the cameras. And we the peole will fight for a few scraps and some will be tossed. As always.
Hope I have some of this right, at least about not worring about us invading Iran.
For what it's worth, and as indythinker encourages, I agree that rigorous democratic activism ought to be pursued in order to reform the democratic state.
I would like to make it plain that my posting above was simply intended to highlight a glaring irony, of which all will be aware, that informs what from here appears to be something of a tragic set of circumstances in American life.
The original rationale for the 2nd Amendment may well be obsolete in the twenty first century, yet other, more informed contributors to this forum seem convinced that that is not now the only obsolete aspect of the rights granted to US citizens by the constitution.
I add my voice to your concerns.
RE: weepingbuffalo July 4th, 2007 8:55 pm
"As a commondreams.org member from across the Atlantic, in Britain (which some may argue was far too close to America for comfort these days"Could someone please explain the constitutional justification for the 2nd Amendment?"
The 2nd Ammendment is a reactionary kneejerk caused by having British & Hessian troops violate our persons, homes, and liberty during another George inspired crisis in America. Just as the WWII European Jews cried, "Never again", the American psyche has had this inbred for a couple hundred years now. Also, you have to understand that aside from someone (or nation) trying to reimpose their tyranny on us, this land was rough, raw, and much more dangerous to live in than the organized settled Great Britian or Europe. How many bears or Indians (American of course) have been spotted around Big Ben lately? I will have to admit, however, that a gun for every citizen, like it is now in the US, is excessive. They might come in handy for "American Revolution II", though, but I doubt it.
Thank you, commondreams, for providing this forum so that armchair revolutionaries can blow off steam whenever they get really mad. If it weren't for this website, people might get motivated and hit the streets or begin to form militias. All the pent-up anger gets channeled into these posts, and the real world stays the same. If the British could've had a similar website, we'd still be writing posts about how someday we would overthrow them.
WATERBOARDS FOR DICK AND GEORGE
RE: neoconned July 4th, 2007 6:23 pm
Thanks for steering me back to the "Congress Balks..." article I had intended to read. You know when you back an animal into a corner it will attack a larger beast, and since Bush's follies have put his back to the wall I guess we can expect more power plays like this and the May 9th Presidential Directive aimed at securing dictatorial powers for him in the event of whatever HE decides is a 'National Emergency'. Look for a 'National Emergency', martial law declared, and suspension of the 2008 elections coming to your neighborhood, or should I say 'every neighborhood' real soon.
While searching for the article you mentioned I came across one called,
"The Bush 9/11 Scandal for Dummies"
by Bernard Weiner
http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0601-01.htm
The interesting thing about the article is it was written over 5 years ago, long before much more info was pried loose from the stonewalling government, found out through independent investigations, or the Whitehouse whitewash known as the Official 911 Commission Report was forced to be concluded by demanding citizens. Even at that early date it was evident the official spin/story was rank as dead fish.
I would like to take a moment to thank Keith Olberman for publically stating what tens of millions of us have been discussing among ourselves for years now. I keep a file of your 'Special Commentaries', forward them to friends, and respect you for speaking out for us. Sic semper tyrannis!!! (down with tyranny)
To everyone who is as pissed as I am that Bush/Cheney are still in office, make sure you do a few simple things besides adding comments to sites like this one. As many others here have said, we the people have to do what our elected officials are too spineless to do. Luckily, that same spinelessness means politicians will always side with whatever a strong majority of their constituents want. So, if you haven't already taken the steps below, please do so immediately:
1) Go to impeachbush.org and add your vote to impeach Bush/Cheney so the powers that be can see how many of us there are. And add a donation if you're able to so they can place ads, etc. to keep the pressure to impeach going.
2) Contact your senator and your representative and let them know you expect them to get the impeachment process started and vote for impeachment of Bush/Cheney (and tell them if they don't then they won't get your vote next time around).
3) Participate in anti-war and pro-impeachment marches, either locally, or if you're able to, in D.C. Nothing scares the powers that be more than seeing that the people really are rising up!
4) Pass steps 1-3 along to all of your friends, relatives, acquaintances, etc. and ask them to do the same if they care about this country.