Yet Another Look at Moore's Sicko -- Missing the Point
Michael Moore's film Sicko has only been in general release for three days, though over the last month I have read at least 25 reviews and commentaries. All of them seem to have missed the point.
The film, by its own admission, is not about the 43 million Americans who have no health care coverage whatsoever; those who, if ill or wounded, will receive no health care at all, and so it should be. Who cares about these measly 43 million? Most of them do not have the price of admission to the film to begin with. Moving right along, then, the film concentrates on those Americans who do have some sort of private health care insurance coverage. Moore's main point is that the profit motive of private health insurance corporations is what causes the problem. The need, codified in law, in fact, to increase profits as much as possible for the benefit of the tiny number of shareholders of the corporations, trumps the concern for adequate health care for the policy holders. The health insurers are institutionally bound, not to care for the sick, but to turn a profit for their shareholders, and thus many who believed their health care costs were covered find that they are cut out from the most expensive healthcare system in the world in order to cut costs for the insurance company. But don't worry-- I have read at least 50 times this week that America is "the richest country in the world" so it should be no problem, right?
After all of these disturbing facts are made clear to the film's audience, we can only think, what a horrible shame that this profit motive in modern capitalist societies should effect something as sacrosanct as health care. The point all of these reviews and articles that I have read so far have missed, though, is this: Thank God it does not have anything to do with other industries! Sure, it is terrible that, of all things, health care should be undermined by a profit motive that only serves a few shareholders at the cost of the many, but at least we do not have to be concerned about this problem in other areas of our economy. I mean, what a shame it would be if, say, the production of medicines by pharmaceutical firms were also subject to this need to turn a profit for shareholders rather than provide medicine for those in need? That might mean that the needs of those in poor countries, for example in Africa, where malaria kills more people than any other disease, are ignored, and little or no money goes into research and development of drugs in this area.
Similarly, thank God that this profit motive does not touch the energy industry. As they are so carefully regulated and controlled by the government, particularly since that great American Ronald Reagan, it would never be possible that they put short-term shareholder gains above investment in their plants. Such a situation might lead, for example, to a massive blackout that would affect huge regions of the United States for days! And what could we do then? Blame Canada? Moreover, thank God that this profit motive does not interfere with safety concerns. I mean, think how horrible it might be if a nuclear plant put profits ahead of safety. Good thing these companies are not at all influenced by this profit urge that so badly influences the health insurance companies.
Luckily, the same can be said of just about any industry in the USA apart from health insurance. Food production? No worries, these companies do not need to make great profits to satisfy greedy shareholders, and thus the US food supply is in no danger of being compromised by rushed quality inspectors, who are pressured to let all manner of tainted meat or contaminated produce get through in the name of profit. Car manufacturers are similarly shielded from this problem, and would certainly never put higher profit margins from larger cars ahead of the need for a sensible environmental policy and greater fuel economy. The arms industry would of course never feel the need to push wars and unnecessary equipment in order to raise their profits for a few wealthy shareholders, many of whom are already in politics anyway. Due to this total lack of profit motive, we can rest assured that Vice President Cheney's motives for invading Iraq were purely above board. Surely his companies KBR and Halliburton, which are now gaining unheard-of profits in Iraq, had no hand in pushing for war in that country. And I think we can all thank our lucky stars that the oil industry does not share this curse of a constant addiction to high profits that Moore's film shows has spoiled the health insurance companies. After all, that might mean that Exxon would save money on oil tankers by refusing to use safer double-hull ships, and that of course could lead to some sort of oil spill disaster off the coast of Alaska. It might even lead them to pay off dishonest scientists to cast doubt on what is otherwise a very clear case of man-made climate change through the burning of oil and other fossil fuels, which would of course delay our whole reaction to the problem by decades, perhaps even until it were too late.
Yes, it seems to me that, once again, the critics have missed the point of Moore's film entirely. The famed documentary director, both lauded and maligned, is simply saying, thank God or whoever you believe in, that this horrible, damaging, codified and institutionalized profit motive only effects the health care industry!
Daniel Vallin is a writer who lives in Europe.
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Show AllHey everyone, I'm writing a term paper for my Philosophy (Logic and Critical thinking). Here are the paper's instructions:
Identify Moore's thesis and the major reasons he gives support of that thesis. Identify the evidence that is given in support of the major reasons/persuasion/argument. Then, criticize his arguments.
It would be very helpful if anyone could give me some suggestions or quotes from the film that could assist me with my process. I am not copying anyone's opinions, I am simply asking for ideas or areas to look at in the film. Please email me with anything you have. I will cite if necessary.
Thank you.
Dustin Moseley. dusmoseley@yahoo.com
albinasman, that was a pretty sick comment, inappropriate and ignorant. Personal attacks aren't useful for solving the huge problems we're facing. I would hope if you have something to say, it would be useful and not just degrading to yourself.
KatePDX wrote:
"....I remember when John Kennedy said, "Ask not what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country." We were like that once, but not any more. It's all about "me, me, me, and screw you."...."
And as I remember it, then, there were people that had the same criticism of JFK's speech. There were the pandits that said we're too selfish, too self involved to care, to respond to the call. And they were shown wrong then and since and now. We all know that the corporate media has been lying to us. That seems obvious. We all know that the media pitches it's message to it's fabricated image of John Q. Public. Somehow we do internalize that image of "Us!" It is the bigger lie!
RFK challenged us to go beyond seeing things the way they are and asking why to envisioning things how they can be and ask "Why not." I feel that this is the route through the dilemma: to cast our collective eyes into the future and envision what can be here in place, design a systematic approach to those goals and go for it.
So sure, KatePDX, we are a constellation of character traits we can self demeaningly call "selfish." And we are so much more than that too! RFK also cautioned us to be suspicious of those that would turn us against each other.
Ming the merciful: Good insight into how the PR campaign will operate.
Lucky Lefty: You raise points tough to dispute, but I'd like to suggest you do something GOOD for yourself. It can't be easy carrying that much angst! Revolutionaries, peacemakers, those on the cutting edge of the ever-need for change have to recharge THEIR batteries, too.
Sir Melvin Cleophus: Not only do I agree with all your points, but they substantiate my case that the U.S. is under thrall to MARS, the god of war, and this explains the bloated military budget while ALL else, every viable and sensible investment is shorted to feed the beast. That the nation CALLS itself Christian, and I have awe and admiration for Christ and HIS teachings, is a fallacy. The ways of bloody Rome have remained the norm, the only difference is that JESUS' name has been attached as the first really successful PR campaign of history. This is not to diminish the luminous works of persons such as Dr. Martin Luther King, today's John Dear or others who have been INSPIRED to truly follow the way SET by Christ. But institutionalized religions generally operate like corporations, and they celebrate MAMMON as a result. I was educated as to this disconnect by a Jesuit who left the order to become, an international oil Rep! In any case, I asked how a nation could identify with Christianity and promote policies of disregard for so many. He explained the nation's roots in Calvinism. Today, and Reagan definitely gave this movement a psychic steroid boost, it's all about Calvinism: that IF you are rich, that proves God's blessing, and if not, a gracious pseudo religious f--k you, to you! That explains the dearth of compassion in the land of rule by oxymoron, where the likes of Bush the terror, can liquidate funds to kill, but guard against any used to heal and still identify his ilk as "compassionate conservatives."
JBPM wrote:
"...I don't know that I agree with Soeharto the conversation with Tony Benn was "the film's most telling moment..."
Well then we must agree to differ, JBPM. SiCKO is really quite interesting but Moore's proposal that you have U.K.style 'national health' system is meaningless. You won't get one. Never. It's just another topic that the American "left" can argue between themselves about. The "right", which controls health in the USA, and always will, will not engage you in a real discussion about it. So while SiCKO makes for interesting viewing, it's all a bit of a red herring. That's why Tony Benn's comments about populations that are demoralized, fearful, impotent etc. are the essence of the film. The 'health thing' is just a manifestation/example of the syndrome that Benn was describing. Moore's film is going to have no effect on the provision of health in the USA. And nor is the "left" in your country going to address the fundemental problem (as raised by Benn) if it's tangled up talking to itself about health systems that will never, ever, EVER be permitted to come into being by your ruling class.
Michael Moore has a great talent for making us look at things differently. I saw SICKO and the one point everyone seems to be missing is that the biggest problem in this country is that we are selfish. In interviews with people from Canada, England and France people said that they didn't mind being taxed to pay for healthcare because it was important to take care of EVERYONE, even the poor.
I remember when John Kennedy said, "Ask not what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country." We were like that once, but not any more. It's all about "me, me, me, and screw you."
At that time most hospitals were non-profits with the primary goal of helping people. While changing the corporate structure is important, we also need to change our core values.
I urge you to see SICKO, and get your friends to see it, and your family, and co-workers, and then write a letter to your representatives in Congress, and your presidential candidate. If enough of us speak, they will listen.
There are many ideas floating around about how to fix the health care system. It is a multifaceted problem that calls for a variety of approaches and I have a suggestion for one. My suggestion is that we get the capitalistic-as-in-free-market system working for us as part of the solution to the problem.
Establish the goal of increasing the percentage of health care providers per capita in our nation initially and then throughout the world. Toward this goal I suggest the opening of many more schools with teaching hospitals attached, consider closed military bases as one location and targeting economically distressed areas as another. Fund a distributed system of specialized clinics to work as satellites to major regional hospitals. This would include out reach vans for health screening and dental care. Fund students through a work for study program that would include an extra service time after five years to enfold back into the system some matured experience as a mentoring feedfoward loop.
Another location for this type of program is in the establishment of a University System for the nation. A USU. One limb of the USU system can be medical-dental-health care research, training and service providing.
Internationally this could become a corner stone to our foreign policy. Rather than closing the School of the America we can make it the flagship of a hemispheric university system! Dr. Noriega anybody?
By increasing the numbers of health care workers and supply of services we use the dynamics of the free market, of a democratic capitalism to power the changes we see are needed to fix the problem. By looking into our crystal ball and envisioning how the future can be, by asking the question if there were a just health care system, what would it look like we then can assess what is in place and what needs to be in place to provide the cause for that effect.
luckylefty, You're a cynic after my own heart. I was just pondering the prospects of a move towards a single-payer system when it occurred to me that the battle is exclusively a PR one, and the powerful - especially corporations - seldom lose such battles; they certainly don't lose battles of this consequence. I'm reminded of an old Peanuts strip in which a number of the gang managed to get Pig Pen all cleaned up and shiny only to see him revert back to a filth covered mess the minute he stepped foot in a sandbox. I'm especially reminded of an episode in Mark Twain's "A Connecticut Yankee In King Arthur's Court" wherein the title character and narrator, who has used his 19th engineering prowess to astonish the Dark Ages masses with real, genuine feats of "magic" is nevertheless nearly forgotten in favor of a phony, two-bit magician using an obvious trick. Said the title character:
"Think of that! Observe how much a reputation was worth in such a country. These people had seen me do the very showiest bit of magic in history, and the only one within their memory that had a positive value, and yet here they were, ready to take up with an adventurer who could offer no evidence of his powers but his mere unproven word."
No matter how strong a progressive case may be, no matter how many times large segments of the population have been maltreated by the powerful, the flimsiest of PR attacks are sufficient to sway the masses away from any progressive inclinations. The insurance industry trots out it's "experts" to make obvious self-serving declarations and people are impressed. The reactionary elements of the power elite say "Boo!" through repeated references to socialism (meaning Soviet style communism, of course) and people are frightened. The "moderates" co-opt the discussion with their "Gentlemen, gentlemen, let's be reasonable" messages and people reconsider.
Perhaps progressive energies would be better spent helping safeguard the more socially beneficial systems in countries like Canada, France, Sweden and the like against the coming onslaught of the corporate, neoliberal war machine.
Sir Melvin serves up some bitter medicine, but he's right. We've been fed crap pie and told it tastes good for so long that many of us have started to believe it. Witness the flag waving idiots chanting "USA No. 1!!!". And we're too dumb to realize that a gourmet meal is waiting next door. Okay that's enough self-hate.
Dannybody asked: "Why should I pay $9 to watch a film that is going to tell me what I already know, the health care system in the US is broken?"
You don't have to. Michael Moore put a copy of the film online as a torrent. I downloaded it on Thursday, watched it at work (teehee!) on Friday, and have sent several folks to the theatre who wouldn't have otherwise seen it, based simply on my recommendation. And I still plan to lay down my $9 to see it in the theatre, just to compensate MM.
And while I don't know that I agree with Soeharto the conversation with Tony Benn was "the film's most telling moment," I do agree that his message about how democracy means that people vote their own interests, rather than those of elites, is something that most Americans need to get through their TV-addled skulls. Democracy means voting against the rich fuckers who live for profit uber alles, and democracy means developing a system that benefits ALL of us, not merely a vanishingly small sliver.
I also really, really like Moore's commentary about us and Cuba, and he and the anti-Moore blogger. So-called enemies need to figure out who the real bad guys are and act accordingly. (Although it seems that the anti-MM blogger is still a hater, but at least his wife got the $$ she needed to pay the bills.)
I saw "SiCKO" - the correct spelling and capitalization of this documentery - the first day it came out. In my humble opinion, this documentery gave a slap in the face to the notion of American supremacy to other nations in every facet of human existence! I have the opinion that the ONLY thing Americans have that is superior to all nations in the world is from a military standpoint. So what! Whatever...Americans suck in all other fields. Indeed they do! Americans don't have the courage to make their pathetic nation a better country for all of them to live in and show TRUE pride for. Oh well. The USA should be ranked last in demonstrating compassion both to its citizens and to those all over the world. Smoke THAT fact in your nation USA - if you won't get caught by the Government of the hypocritical nation you so hold dear! Michael Moore simply points out the fact that the USA is horrible in every way imaginable except its military and Moore merely demonstrated an example of this fact by the way it handles health care among its respective citizens in the context of all his other works.
I have posted about "SiCKO" before and I will say again that the USA handles health care inside their country in the most vile cruel heartless way it can, in order to make money! According to CHRISTIANITY - the religion most familiar to most Americans in the USA I am almost certain - the love of money is the root of all Evil. Yet, THE LOVE OF MONEY is the quintessential American feeling! The more money an American has, the more worth he has in USA society as some people throughout the world is familiar with. Some Americans may say "How dare you say such a thing." Say what? An unbearable truth in the collective consciousness of American citizens too painful to admit? Want to make some propaganda to dismiss this statement on behalf of the USA American! I don't live in the United States of America (USA), but I live somewhere in the world where I am forced to know many languages. I don't think of this as a threat to my personhood, unlike the typical American would. Most Americans can't even accept Spanish spoken in typical discourse in their own country! They fail to understand that the USA dos not have a unique language for their own nation when compard to languages such as Icelandic, Armenian, Albanian, or Tagalog. This is for a diffeent article though to comment on.
A bittersweet realization that I think EDUCATED Americans will take from "SiCKO is one much more sobering. The USA is one of extremely few nations in the world in which its citizens have to pay out of his pocket. Terrible fact of life huh Americans? But hey Americans support their health care system as a whole because there is a mass idea among Americans not to help "the least among us," although the USA is a predominately Christian nation - where the majority of Americans misconstrue their favorite religion to the detriment of their own people. Such a "Christian" societal opinion of its own people...
Ok, here's the chronology we're going to be looking at:
6/29/07 Film opens, huge furor.
7/01/07 - 4/15/08 - Deliberate massive PR campaign to install confusion between "Universal Care" - a minor variation on current Rape/Pillage/Burn strategy of Healthcare providers and "Medicare for All" which cuts the Insurance cos. out of the game. Impetus will be on abandoning the 46 million who don't have any, "I got mine, you get yours", "we can't afford to insure everyone", "America is #1" rah-rah-rah, revolving daisy wheel of excuses, just like when we go to war for lies. In a country with a 6th grade reading level this won't be hard. In the meantime the Insurance cos. will be pouring millions into the coffers of the Democrat candidates for POTUS. These candidates will waffle, waffle, waffle. More daisy wheel excuses.
4/15/08 Early voting primaries following the money primary have selected the Dem/Rep candidates that HMO's want. Candidates will talk about ANYTHING but healthcare. "We have to focus on 'this issue first' (fill in the blank), the timing is just not right."
1/20/09 Whoever takes POTUS (Dem/Rep) will focus on the housing bubble collapse (ineffectively), the pending consumer debt bubble collapse (ineffectively), the confinement of 100,000 troops to our Green Zone permanent bases in Iraq, tax cuts for Corporations "to spur business growth" and a quick repressive update on "No Child Left Behind".
6/29/09 House Dems float a half-assed nothing health care bill that fails overwhelmingly, "We just couldn't get enough votes, we need a bigger majority, vote Dem in 2010". HMO's continue to rape the American Public doing their "job" e.g. steam shoveling the wealth of this country from us into the hands of the richfilth, just like every other corporation.
We get to vote for the Overseers that Master likes best. We know this, because Master gives them Millions & Millions & Millions of $$$ that Master has stolen from us. Welcome to our "Democracy".
There will be NO single payer, Medicare For All healthcare in this country in our lifetimes (very likely no Medicare either). Master and his corporations will NEVER allow it. One does not supply healthcare to the slaves. We are fungible, just like our throw away soldiers. The reason – we are unwilling to bleed for what we want and Master is willing to kill anyone for what HE wants.
Peace.
Everybody here is arguably missing the essential point of SiCKO. Its investigation into the dysfunctional (and highly profitable) health system in the USA was very interesting. But the film's most telling moment and its essential message was found in the conversation with Britain's Tony Benn.
Dave Lindorff: Bravo! The PRIORITIES of this government under the military-industrial complex's influence and LUST for war (what I term "MARS RULES") is what displaces the money needed for far better things.
Ming the Merciful: The only thing you left out was that the Republicans are only, after all, emulating the politics of "compassionate conservatism."
MOTIVATION MOTIVATION MOTIVATION
Limitations of the Profit Motive
militantliberal
"The alternatives to profit motive in running an economy are fear (slavery in the American South, Stalin's USSR, Auschwitz-Birkenau), pleasure (this might work for computer programmers or architects but how much fun can anyone have entering data or mopping floors?), altruism (like drones in a hive, working for the good of the collective) or prestige (you too can be a Hero of American Enterprise). None of them work well."
It might be that you are wrong.
People might actually be deeply motivated by some of the things you write. I think part of the failure in Iraq has been because the Americans in charge did not understand human motivations.
If we want to make cultural changes and not use war, then there should be some studies in to what is it that people are looking for in their lives. What gives their lives purpose? Answering that question might be more effective in changing a culture than developing yet another way to kill a human being.
Republicans have a very limited view of the world.
They think that the prime motivator for people is financial.
Money will buy whatever you want in their world view. So a doctor who charges a lot is better than a doctor who is less expensive. But I think those of us here know that is not true. The profit motive is limited in what it can acheive to motivate people.
This article is from today's NY Times and its about how to motivate children to do well in school...
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/02/opinion/02schwartz.html
Op-Ed Contributor
Money for Nothing
By BARRY SCHWARTZ
Published: July 2, 2007
"If you want people to do something, you have to make it worth their while. This assumption drives virtually all of economic theory."
"The logic of the plan reveals a second assumption that economists make: the more motives the better. Give people two reasons to do something, the thinking goes, and they will be more likely to do it, and they'll do it better, than if they have only one. Providing some cash won't disturb the other rewards of learning, rewards that are intrinsic to the process itself."
"Unfortunately, these assumptions that economists make about human motivation, though intuitive and straightforward, are false. In particular, the idea that adding motives always helps is false. There are circumstances in which adding an incentive competes with other motives and diminishes their impact. Psychologists have known this for more than 30 years."
If I pull more quotes out of the article it will diminish the ideas developed in the article. So I hope some of you reading this will read the original article, particularly if you have children in school and /or children interested in art.
Self interest and wanting to be responsible to the community are strong motivators that can compete imo.
And right now people in the US have too much self interest and not enough sense of responsibility to the community imo.
Nationalism is not a substitute for feeling a sense of responsibility to the community. This now common belief in America that self interest will make a strong America is I believe false and is actually weakening America.
and the really important thing, let folks know there is RIGHT NOW a bill in Congress for single payer universal health care. NOW.
before you go see this movie, download some flyers from
http://www.sickocure.org/docs/SiCKOFlyer.pdf
and take them with you. there will never be a more opportune time to encourage others to take action than after that movie. it is electrifying and that energy is something to take advantage of.
i'd like to see someone compile a list of websites where folks can go to join in working for change. i know of these thus far:
www.sickocure.org
www.pnhp.org
www.moveon.org
there have to be others. stay healthy everyone.
luckylefty you are right, at this point the political system in the USA is a joke, I wonder why we spend so much time debating what to do to make it work.
We need to overhaul the whole thing from the bottom up.
Socialism of the 21st Century anyone ?
Why should I pay $9 to watch a film that is going to tell me what I already know, the health care system in the US is broken?
"Yes, it seems to me that, once again, the critics have missed the point of Moore's film entirely. The famed documentary director, both lauded and maligned, is simply saying, thank God or whoever you believe in, that this horrible, damaging, codified and institutionalized profit motive only effects the health care industry!"
Perhaps we saw different movies? I saw "Sicko" last night and yes it was about healthcare.
One topic, one movie seems to be standard that we expect when we go to the movies.
However, more to the point of the above quotation that simplifies and thus misleads. Go to see the movie, it works and is multidimensional.
That is really good to hear. I forgot to mention that I have not yet seen the movie myself, but am truly looking forward to it. Also, clearly the movie is indeed about what I was talking about. I was merely making the point that perhaps we are ready for a movie that directly attacks the very fundamental economic foundations America relies upon to keep up the bottom end. I was actually appealing to Mr. Moore to make that his next movie, because I doubt there is anyone else out there who could pull it off.
But Leobixby, that's precisely what this movie is about!
Quote:
"but I hope the next big ball-breaker to be made deals with economics from a humanistic perspective as its main theme. How bout a movie solely about the inevitable failure of unrestrained capitalism, debt, and wealth?"
I don't think the film-makers themselves could have crafted a better summary. Health care is a pervasive issue, and as Ming the Merciful suggested, the right views this as a "slippery slope." If this thing is given, as concession, where the hell will it stop!!!??? I mean families might start demanding prolonged maternity leave...and, and, government paid extended sickness leave, and, and, and...
Why, America, the richest nation ever on the face of the Earth, might actually have to start treating its citizens with compassion and not as trembling wage-slaves. The horror, the horror, indeed.
It appears history is beginning to repeat itself again. That is, the debate between equality of opportunity (a total farce if you ask me) and equality of condition is being had again. Of course, the debate will come in the form of capitalism against socialism, or something like that. What we really need to be debating is how to get a government into power that understands that without eliminating extreme poverty by equalizing the living and working conditions for the bottom 20% or so, making higher education free again, of course give unlimited health care coverage to every citizen, and progressively tax everyone who makes above approximately 300,000 dollars, the US will simply continue to die a slow death. Capitalism, when uncontrolled, is nothing more than a race to the bottom, and everything goes with it; price, quality, working conditions and pay.
This is what Michael Moore is talking about. Fantastic movie, but I hope the next big ball-breaker to be made deals with economics from a humanistic perspective as its main theme. How bout a movie solely about the inevitable failure of unrestrained capitalism, debt, and wealth? Michael?
Health care tax credits are no good for those too poor to pay much in taxes. When you've been laid off and your ridiculously expensive COBRA coverage ends after 90 days, and the stress of it all makes you sick, no amount of tax credits are going to help.
I find it fascinating to hear and read attacks from the right that center around the workability of a single-payer system or any program that involves some aspect of universal coverage. Given the right's utter disdain for any socially-beneficial government policies or initiatives, and given their belief that every aspect of economic and political life should be geared towards the maximization of private profit and individual self-interest, it's laughable to believe that they give a rat's ass whether or not the plan works. They don't want any such program to be enacted regardless of it's potential for success or failure.
Actually, the main concern - the main fear - for those wishing to maintain the status quo through the institution of a MacGuffin policy such as health-savings accounts or through what basically amounts to paying off the insurance industry to be a bit more accommodating to the general population is that a single-payer system would work. The horror. This would be a bad enough outcome for the Democrats who, dedicated though they may be to the corporatization of society, have some semblance of tolerance for socially-minded government intitiatives, but for the Republicans and the like? An utter disaster. God forbid a majority of the population prefer and appreciate a single payer system over the present wealth-devouring monstrosity. The hoi palloi might very well start getting the wrong ideas about other progressive initiatives and might start to challenge the prominent role of corporations, the economic elites in general and the entire role of profit-maximization in society. That of course can't be allowed to happen.
I have also been annoyed to read the many discussions of the uninsured. That is a crisis, true, but the happily insured, the majority of Americans, have no idea of what can happen with an illness and those are the folks who must wake up and join in action to address this most important domestic policy issue. We have to fix this.
Rocking along in my 20s, 30s, 40s, I never had need of insurance beyond the occasional preventive care or sore throat. My husband was a different story. I detailed at length recently the expenses we incurred while fully insured with a top policy through my employer.
It was stunning, truly, to find myself spending thousands of dollars a month for copays and pharmacy and special testing and out of pocket deductibles and on and on and on and on.
I refinanced our house, used credit cards, sold stock, started a business. The bills kept coming and kept coming and kept coming. We were insured. Imagine if we'd not been insured. We survived, he is better, but this could happen to anyone. It could happen to you, too.
None of us are safe in this system. I attended the film with two other individuals, both folks like me, reasonably well off, educated, employed, both of whom had been forced into medical bankruptcy earlier in life in periods between jobs. We must fix this disastrous system. Profit has no place in healthcare. None.
If we all rise up together and demand change, perhaps our politicians, too, will develop a healthy fear of us. I can only hope.
http://www.bigassbelle.blogspot.com
The beauty of Mike's film is that he addresses the real issue, which is why we, in America, have this complete disconnect between our private lives, when at least most of us want to at least think we are generous and caring, and our public lives, when we want to let the poor, the weak, the "different" and the foreign go to hell, so we don't have to pay for them.
After all, France, Britain and Canada are not socialist utopias, but what Mike shows us is that, even though they are supremely capitalist states, they have accepted the notion that it is everyone's responsibility to make sure that people can live at least decent lives. Whether it's daycare, paid vacations, nationalized healthcare or whatever, they all see it as being as important as a publicly funded fire department.
One thing he didn't point out, except obliquely, is that all this is possible in those countries because they don't spend over half a fucking trillion dollars a year on the military. Even the UK and France don't come close, in per capita terms, to what we blow on blowing things up, or threatening to.
Dave Lindorff
www.thiscantbehappening.net
Mr. Vallin makes a very important point, above and beyond even what Michael Moore says which is that unbridled corporate power and greed in any area of our economy can be deadly for all of us and the planet. Take Monsanto for example, they are trying to control world seed patents and limit farmers to growing GM crops and cattle and then trick all of us into eating these foods without our knowledge. See www.monsantowatch.org for details.
We all know that the munitions companies want lots of wars, so they can sell thier deadly products.
There is nothing wrong with profit as a motivator for human labor and creativity, but when it becomes the only motive and is held to be of more value than human life or the welfare of the planet there is something very wrong.
Recently, the corporations won an important legal battle at the level of the Supreme Court in pushing their "personhood rights agenda" They can now fund adds for specific candidates in our elections.
Public funding is the only way that we will be able to have candidates who are not bought and sold by the corporations. We all need to support public funding and anything else(like growing our own food) which can counter the power, greed and sophisticated adds of the corporations.
Most of the adverse criticism of MM boils down to "He should have made a different movie."
No way.
It is not necessary to explain to anyone, victim or observer, the dire situation of persons with no health insurance.
It is necessary to expand the constituency of those rallying for reform to include the hundreds of millions who do have health insurance and are therefore complacent, because they have yet to experience a crisis which tests the efficacy of their protection.
How else to get to an outspoken and persistent majority on this issue than to strip away any illusions held by this group?
MM's film is strategically brilliant.
Talk about missing the point. Not a single poster has mentioned that the transfer of health insurance from the private companies to the state would turn the spigot off one of Wall Street's biggest slush funds - insurance companies deal exclusively in money - and send the market into a tailspin. The upper class of the United States will never allow this to happen.
I think Sicko is about a lot of things. The critics aren't missing the point, and neither is Mr. Vallin.
"I don't remember being in a movie theater before when the entire audience bust into applause at the last line of the movie, but it happened with SICKO."
Com_mnsense-It happened when I saw it this afternoon. Same with Mike's last movie.
funeocons-I'd rather stay here and fight. I don't think leftie-flight benefits anyone but Those Who Wield Power.
I disagreed with the French doctor. Free, universal health care can happen, especially in the richest and most powerful nation in the world. We just need to get our priorities straight.
"Sure, it is terrible that, of all things, health care should be undermined by a profit motive that only serves a few shareholders at the cost of the many, but at least we do not have to be concerned about this problem in other areas of our economy. I mean, what a shame it would be if, say, the production of medicines by pharmaceutical firms were also subject to this need to turn a profit for shareholders rather than provide medicine for those in need?"
Obviously, you haven't been through it.
"Having" insurance does not mean you have adequate financial means to cope with the glitches in the system.
What about the woman who was told after a very traumatic car accident that her insurance would not pay for the ambulance because she did not get "prior approval" on her way to the ER?
And it does NOT affect pharmaceutical companies?
My insulin is almost $40.00 per vial, and I take 3 different kinds.
My HIV medicine runs around $1,500.00/month, the last time I checked, a couple of years ago, and ONE of those THREE was AZT, the OLDEST of ALL, and had been around for over 20 years! (I'm on a different one now, and Lord only knows what IT costs!)
My drug insurance card is $40 non-preferred, $25 preferred, and $10 generic.
Sounds good, right?
THIS month MY cost TO ME .... AFTER my insurance paid: $175.00.
For everything. (This list is longer than HIV medication and insulin.) And it's all needed, so I can...breathe, for instance, and people do tend to like to breathe.
I knew someone on Zyprexa (antipsychotic hailed as a break through drug at that time), $500.00/month for one pill once a day.
NOW tell me it does NOT extend to phamaceutical companies.
Mr. Vallin's views are wildly impractical. The alternatives to profit motive in running an economy are fear (slavery in the American South, Stalin's USSR, Auschwitz-Birkenau), pleasure (this might work for computer programmers or architects but how much fun can anyone have entering data or mopping floors?), altruism (like drones in a hive, working for the good of the collective) or prestige (you too can be a Hero of American Enterprise). None of them work well. Has Mr. Vallin discovered a chemical stimulant that can replace profit?
However, I absolutely support government-owned and operated health insurance because the health care "market" suffers from big flaws. Unlike food or automobiles or computers you often don't have time to shop around; when those chest pains hit or your head starts tingling, how many phone calls can you make before you hit the floor dead? And everyone, everyone needs health care, so customers can't say "no" unless they prefer dying before their time or living in pain. Of course people also can't live without food, but they can live without cucumbers or cherry pies or (gasp!) chocolate by eating something else. But substitutes in medicine are few. For example, with tumors it's generally either cut or chemo; there are not 31 flavors. Under these conditions, goverment health insurance CAN do a better job than the private sector while health care workers profit from their labor.
So I plan to watch "Sicko" and applaud!
ISA
Instant Spontaneous Applause.
I don't remember being in a movie theater before when the entire audience bust into applause at the last line of the movie, but it happened with SICKO.
We all know people that hate Michael Moore. My sister is one of them. But my sister also thinks Ann Coulter is a "reasonable" person. My sister is an idiot. But I can't even imagine Ann Coulter going to this movie and not at least give it a "thumbs-up".
And how simple. I mean really, what more does Michael do than walk around with a camera? No sets, actors, maybe a prop or two and Za-zam! here we are! Of course it's harder than that and Michael has talent for making it look easier than is most likely really is, but mostly that's us in those lenses. Candid camera on steroids in the hands of a man of Michael's talent.
Seeing ourselves up on that screen brings it home. Those aren't actors, those are us and hence I can understand why some people hate Mr. Moore. If you work for the corporate health care industry in this country, you might not want to go see this movie, the quilt you'll feel on the way home might force you to do the right thing or drive your car off a cliff. (Make sure your policy is paid - not that it would help, as you already know.)
This is a "break though" film. I think it's going to be real hard for Michael to do any more films like this himself. What politician, (other than the few un-corrupted or the stupid), corporate employee, certainly not any managers or CEO's would allow Mr. Moore to show them as they really are? I think Michael's going to have to use shills, other talented candid-camera investigative journalism types to continue in this way. If indeed that is what he wishes to do.
I have always enjoyed Mike's work, and unlike my idiot sister (after all what award has Ann Coulter ever won?) feel good for him and hope he continues to shed light on us. Warts and all.
Ah, ahem, hey Mike, I hear you have some questions about 9/11 ...?
One of the funny things to watch is how the corporate power machine pushes out a message of 'don't listen to this person.' Mike Moore is once again the target. There is a persistent message out there that just simply tries to convince people not to listen to Michael Moore. Nothing deeper than that. Just lots of slander and noise to try to get people to turn away.
When you meet someone who's buying into this, have some fun with them. They'll repeat some of the stupid slander against Moore, but they won't know anything else. Challenge them on where they heard it. Get them to cite a source. Engage with them on exactly what that source said. Then challenge them as to whether they are someone who thinks for themselves, or who just repeats what a radio voice said. Make them ashamed that they have been convinced not even to listen to what the movie says. Instead, challenge them to think for themselves and see the movie and make up their own mind. Most right-wingers thing they are independent heroes even while they quote the radio voices. Its a weak point, exploit it. Show them how the radio voice has told them basically not to listen to Mike Moore, and challenge them to think for themselves instead.
I like Ron Paul, but the health care issue definitely shows the weaknesses of libertarianism. Thus it is a very good issue to closely look at the differences between a libertarian solution (basically, you are on your own), and a more progressive solution.
Sometimes, it makes sense to band together and work together and cover each other in a society. When I'm sick, I don't particularly want to be told about the competitive nature of society. Because when I'm sick I'm more likely to be aware of what happens to those who can't compete in a ruthless society of competition. When I'm sick, I want a nice nurse to take my hand and let me know I'm taken care of.
Creating a corps of doctors and nurses who are dedicated to taking care of people and the facilities for which they should do this is something that is much better done by a society pooling its resources and investing in health care. That's the lesson from everywhere else in the world.
Because of his positions on the Iraq war, domestic spying and torture, Ron Paul is the best Republican candidate.
This is the sorry state the Republican party and the U.S. has come to.
The Democratic party offers pathetic candidates that unfortunately are better only by default.
It would be awesome if the best candidate offered in a presidential election had a snowball's chance in hell of winning.
Richard Valentine, thank you for the insightful post. Well put.
The author of this aritcle also gets to the crux of what Michael Moore points out in his film--the for-profit health care delivery system is immoral. We have to begin to look at our problems in a systemic approach, and runaway capitalism knows no ethic other than shareholder profit. We are more than consumers, regardless of how the forces who are bent in convincing us otherwise keep cramming it down our insatiable and unfortunately accepting throats.
If we the people are supposed to be the government and, as studies have shown, a majority of Americans want a government run health care delivery system, than why don't we have it. Well, first we need to have a democracy and then maybe that will happen.
As it stands, as the recent Supreme Court ruling on the right of corporations (since they have person-hood) to use all their endless supply of money to subvert democracy has shown, we the people means we the corporations. The privitizing of what once were government, we the people, responsibilites, from military to homeland security, from environmental protections to work place safety contols, is all a part of the attempt to profit and remove the public from the decision making process.
This of course is not just a phenomena is the U.S, as the tendrils of our corporations are attempting to get their clutches on water and mineral rights around the world, from nations willing to buy in to the short term benefits of satisfy corporate greed at the expense of the people they govern.
In some countries, tumbrils would be turned over and burned in the street. Americans? They go to the street to stand in line for the next consumer commodity, and the news media gives us what we want an covers it on the nightly news. Meanwhile, 18,000 Americans will die yearly in the U.S. due to lack of healh care, and two, three or four soldiers or more and countless Iraqis will die each day in the corporate war that is Iraq.
If we do not organize and act in a unified effort and coalition in a united front, democracy will become a bit of nostalgia remembered more for what is never was than what is should have been.
Note how the attacks on Sicko have rather rapidly departed from issues of substance to ad hominum insults agianst Michael Moore. And the movie has only been in theaters for going on three days!
Be afraid pharma, Insurance, and HMO health care vampires, be very afraid, there are wooden stakes waiting to be driven through each of your calloused and greedy hearts!
Bwahahahaha!!
Michael, I think you hit a grand slam homer on this one!
clayhughes, Ron Paul would be ashamed to have you as a supporter. I am a liberal and I like Ron Paul. I do not agree with him on every issue, health care being one. But of all candidates, only Paul understands the real fiscal disaster headed Americas way. Only he proposes eliminating the Federal Reserve.
You can have all the national healthcare you want, but with your economy in ruins it will not do you much good.
Ron paul is an ignorant, stupid right-wing scumbag who will make worse all the social and economic problems in this country. Moore, conversely, actually has consciousness and advocates making a more caring, nurturing society as opposed to one that makes a few people wealthy.
excellent article. moore's movie has the potential to be a window into a lot of $hit in this country. this article has it right: the profit motive.
as for you clayhughes, did you even read this article? do you even know what ron paul stands for? r.p. is great on constitutionalism and foreign policy (stuff we need to hear, don't get me wrong), but he's an absolute fool on capitalism, corporate power, etc.
clayhughes-
I've read Ron Paul's suggestions for healthcare (tax credits to offset the rising costs of premiums and buying more insurance! as an alternative to a possibly needed malpractice suit ) and they don't address the real issues of the For-Profit system where Insurance Companies profit by denying coverage.
Michael Moore's films, like SICKO, have shown how the Corporations' Profit motive is in direct conflict with the needs of American citizens. While Paul's analysis on U.S. Foreign Policy is second only to Dennis Kucinich among the Presidential candidates, his Reagan like dogma of "government is bad" is simplistic and misguided. The governments of all other Western Democracies provide Healthcare for its citizens as a recognized human right!
Michael Moore's excellent film focuses on an important issue: the fraudulence of private medical insurance, and how unlucky are those of us 'lucky' enough to be insured by one of these vultures. There is, of course, another side of the coin that is also tragic: the scores of millions with no medical coverage at all for a significant part of the year. There is also the problem of lack of dental coverage, and the number of youngsters in school with dental problems so severe that they cannot concentrate has reached epidemic proportions. While Moore's film dealt with the specific problem of private insurance handlers of medical coverage, his solution--single payer national health care--would solve all of these problems.
Incidentally, about 100 years ago, the Socialist Mayor of Schenectady, NY (George R. Lunn) had the city provide free dental care for all children.
Dannyboy, the film tells you far more than that. I am sure you will see things you did not know at all. Want to get mad? Want to do something about it? Go see it.
Militantliberal, wait until you've actually seen the film; Moore does not endorse "government health insurance" but medicaid for everyone. It is practical; it works in Sweden, Canada, Britain, Denmark, The Netherlands, Iceland, Finland...it works, and the systems in all the countries that come in my list excluding canada and britian are the alternative, working systems; research them.
luckylefty you are too prescient.
SiCKO, which I saw yesterday, made two very telling points about the fundamental differences between the US and other industrialized countries. First, people in those countries believe that we all have to help each other, we're in the same boat. Americans tend to see life from their isolated bubbles. The other is that people there are willing to fight for their rights. They feel entitled to things we've given up on. Five and six week vacations give people time to recharge their batteries, spend quality time with family. Publicly subsidized daycare provides high quality affordable and reliable care for children in a stimulating safe environment, and frees parents from the stress every parent knows when torn between their child's needs and an intolerant employer. Free education through college (we had that once) means young people can graduate without owing $30,000 and looking for work. It used to be only doctors had to face that. And doctors graduated into a high income bracket. And of course, healthcare. Feeling entitled, they fight for those rights. Their governments and employers are afraid of the people, whereas here people are afraid of the governmemt and employers. The demise of unions in the US also meant the end of strikes. It used to be that if a union went on strike, other unions joined and went on solidarity strikes. No more. Now strikes are usually a loss for the unions. If the public in France gets mad, they pour into the streets and conduct nationwide strikes, effectively shutting down the whole country. We act like sheep. If we can't rise up and take back our democracy, we will continue to be fleeced, like sheep.
And we are being fleeced. Today's minimum wage would have to be $15 an hour to equal the minimum wage of 1970. And today's median wage of $43,000 has a purchasing power of only $20,000 compared to what the median wage could buy in 1970. That's without factoring in healthcare costs! We're going downhill. Remember the song, Sixteen Tons? We're getting there.
Took my teenaged son and his girlfriend to see SICKO this morning - I think it really opened their eyes. My son's girlfried said "I want to live in France." My son was born there -- and thank God, or I would still be paying off the medical bills from his premature birth and subsequent month long hospital stay in a NICU.
I think the French doctor pretty much summed it up when Moore asked him if he thought we could ever have free, universal health care in the US. His answer, "No."
COMarc has it right. In some circumstances it is best to band
together. Health care, food, shelter (retirement) - not
necessarily a complete list. All of us are part of our society.
However we contribute our talents, skills, or labor to that
society, society in return should provide at least the minimum
necessary to survive and live as other than a slave. And right
now, I would consider someone working 40 hours a week as a
janitor to be more valuable to society than the CEO of a health
insurance organization or a pharmaceutical company, yet which one
will never have to worry about how they are going to survive
retirement, etc?