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Immigration Bill Ignites Grassroots Fire
ROSSLYN, VA. - When Kim Wade pulled up in front of the Jackson, Miss., offices of Republican Sen. Trent Lott, a crowd was already waiting. They were students, professionals and homemakers, all members of the immigration-restriction advocacy group NumbersUSA. And they were all there to blast Lott for his support of the Senate immigration bill.
They delivered petitions bearing nearly 3,000 signatures, part of a multipronged campaign, imploring Lott not to "sell out Mississippi to illegal aliens." The office secretary "could barely receive them because the phones were ringing off the hook" with calls protesting Lott's immigration stance, said Wade, a local talk-radio host.
TV, radio and Internet ads condemning Lott had been running for days before the Tuesday visit. By Friday, 1,000 more people had signed the NumbersUSA petition online.
Conservative anger at the Senate immigration bill is at such a pitch that even Republican lawmakers are feeling the heat. Groups like NumbersUSA have been channeling that grass-roots fury and, in doing so, have leaped in size and are playing a larger role in the immigration debate than ever before.
At NumbersUSA, one of the largest and loudest, membership is up 81% since January and donations are soaring. With the immigration bill possibly set to pass or fail in the Senate this week - a crucial vote could come as early as Tuesday - the nonprofit group plans a fierce campaign against the bill and any senator who supports it.
The group will unveil TV ads against Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) and Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-N.C.). Another ad will target Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.).
NumbersUSA President Roy Beck expects to contact the group's activist members - who he says now number 419,000 - with dozens of e-mail alerts, many of which he sends at 2 and 3 a.m.
"We're in a war zone right now, so we're drawing down the reserves," said Beck, who describes his battle against pro-bill groups like the U.S. Chamber of Commerce as "an amazing David-and-Goliath thing."
Among those pushing the new measure is President Bush, who appealed for support in his weekly Saturday radio address by stressing revisions to the bill that would require stepped-up enforcement before other provisions could take effect.
Most polls show that though Americans are concerned about border security, a majority favor finding a way to allow most now in the country illegally to gain legal status.
Throughout the immigration debate, senators who back the bill have decried the influence of talk radio, saying it misrepresents the legislation. These lawmakers vow they won't buckle but admit they're feeling pressure.
"Those really pushing for the bill have not been as effective as those pushing against it," Lott said last week, on the same day Wade and his colleagues delivered their petitions.
NumbersUSA members in Mississippi said they had sent Lott about 10,000 faxes and letters since he began supporting the bill in early June. Lott said his phone lines were jammed with protests of the bill, most from outside his state.
"You have to give them credit: The phone calls, the faxes, the people who show up at town halls and meetings - you have to say NumbersUSA is behind a fair amount of that," said Frank Sharry, director of the National Immigration Forum, a nonprofit group that advocates for immigrants.
Sharry acknowledged NumbersUSA's influence on lawmakers, pointing to Georgia's two Republican senators, Johnny Isakson and Saxby Chambliss. The two, who helped write the immigration bill, were immediately in NumbersUSA's crosshairs. Both have withdrawn their support, saying the bill fails to provide adequate border security.
But Sharry argued that NumbersUSA had yet to make a dent at the ballot box.
"Their weakness shows up on election day," he said. "Why is Trent Lott, who is getting hammered with letters and faxes and talk radio, getting stronger in favor of the bill instead of weaker? He knows that for all their bluster, there's no real threat."
NumbersUSA says population growth is damaging the country - creating urban sprawl, snarling commuter roads, straining schools and hospitals, and diminishing natural resources. They say immigration propels much of this growth and should be restricted.
The United States currently issues about 1 million visas annually for legal permanent residency. The group wants that number to drop to the early 20th century level, about 250,000.
The Senate bill would not limit total numbers of legal immigration, and NumbersUSA doubts it would effectively stop illegal entries.
Beck started NumbersUSA in 1997, after working as the Washington editor of the Social Contract, a conservative magazine. Today his group operates out of sleek offices in Rosslyn, Va., across the Potomac River from Washington.
Critics have cited ties between NumbersUSA and controversial right-wing millionaire John Tanton, publisher of the Social Contract and founder of the Federation for American Immigration Reform. That group in the past accepted funding from the Pioneer Fund, a conservative organization that also has funded research into eugenics.
Beck said NumbersUSA started out under Tanton's umbrella but stopped receiving funding from him a few years ago.
Voluble, with graying sandy hair that curls around his ears, 58-year-old Beck calls himself "a frenetic person." He regularly works past midnight and spent Saturday making lengthy phone calls and shooting off e-mail alerts. He approaches running NumbersUSA with "all the neuroses of a small-business owner."
These should be comforting times. Beck's e-mail list reaches 1.5 million subscribers, but he also has a corps of activist members - those who send faxes and letters and get involved in other ways, such as delivering petitions, like Wade in Mississippi.
Beck monitors how many are active as an indicator of the organization's clout.
In January 2001, the group had 1,679 activist members. This January, the group had close to 244,000; by Friday, that number reached the current 419,000 activists.
In May alone, they sent senators 750,000 faxes. They transmitted more than 100,000 on a single day in June when a crucial vote was scheduled.
People began joining after the 2001 terrorist attacks. Other membership factors that Beck cites include talk radio, the massive immigration marches in 2006, the October announcement that the U.S. population had reached 300 million, and crucially, the Internet.
But he credits one primary reason for his group's exploding membership: President Bush.
In January 2004, Bush announced his intent to overhaul immigration and offer legal status to the estimated 12 million illegal immigrants. That year, activist membership jumped 326%, to 48,000. "Before then, we had never envisioned ourselves as being a mass movement," Beck said. "George Bush changed our vision."
Now, every time the president raises the issue, membership ticks up. "He makes people angry," Beck said.
Recently, members could fax senators on a list of the "Flippin' Fifteen." These are lawmakers who opposed the Senate bill earlier, but now are under pressure to reverse that stance. The list includes Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.), who expressed concerns about the bill's fairness to immigrants.
Of California's 56,987 NumbersUSA members, 28,525 are considered activists.
Beck thinks the group's chances are good of influencing lawmakers like Boxer and the final outcome on the Senate bill this week.
Even though many elected officials, lobbyists and pro-immigration groups support the legislation, Beck points to news reports from January when the Democrats, newly in control of Congress, were pledging alongside Bush to pass an immigration bill.
"We're in June and the fact is it still hasn't gone through the Senate," said Beck. "I think we still have a good chance to beat it in the Senate. I think that's the impact of the grass roots."
Copyright 2007 Los Angeles Times



23 Comments so far
Show AllIf the American people ever wake up to how little Americans have in comparison to other industrialized countries, they will be the illegal immigrants in Europe.
who the hell would want to migrate to mississippi?
amerikkkans are about to find out how gullible, stupid, racist, & violent they really are. there can't be any economic justice for US workers w/o justice for mexican workers, too. but rather than address the system exploiting native & foreign workers, United Statesians would rather crucify the mexicans.
ESSENTIAL IMMIGRATION REFORM MEASURES
Our immigration problems can never be resolved until we override politics and stop ignoring their root causes--which are the unsuitable conditions in their home countries, fueled by overpopulation, that drive them here. They can only worsen, hence generating more incentives for illegal immigration unless, some essential mitigation measures are taken.
In view of this, we should provide economic assistance to home countries that is not influenced by special interests as was NAFTA, but instead directed toward sound long term and environmental policies. This technique was used with success by the European Union when they admitted ten lessor developed countries.
This cannot be achieved without unimpaired assistance for family planning and women's education in the home countries--despite the unconscionable opposition from this administration and their radical religious right supporters. Their high birth rates, which drain their economies and are the driving force for illegal immigration will then increase U.S.birth rates, contributing to poverty and related problems here.
Other necessary internal measures that include:
o Requiring all employers here to retain withholding tax, and pay workmens' comp and full health coverage for all aliens. Impose severe fines on violators. They now benefit from low wages while passing health and social costs to the general populace.
o Halting citizenship for offspring of illegal aliens born in the USA, which many abuse to obtain residence. This not only encourages illegal immigration, but also augments their already unsustainable birth rates and resulting drain on our economy and health services. Our 14th constitutional amendment was added to assure citizenship rights to freed slaves, born here, not illegal aliens which were then not an issue--hence this measure would not violate our constitution.
o Increasing our minimum wage so all Americans can enjoy decent living
standards with jobs that are now being held by illegals.
o Deporting all aliens in our prisons to their home countries, even if this requires our financial assistance to incarcerate them there.
o Disallowing aliens from bringing family members here to receive free social security and medical benefits, especially when many have adequate financial means to pay, as many do. If they are already here, we should send them home for treatment--even if this requires our financial assistance there.
Robert Settgast
San Rafael, CA
rhsettgast@hotmail.com
"amerikkkans are about to find out how gullible, stupid, racist, & violent they really are
What a stupid remark. As if these clowns in office represent the interests of the American people.
"Amerikkka" is such a cliche anyway.
I read the strangest article in the New York Times, last night. "Texas Town, Now Divided, Forged Bush's Forged Bush's Stand on Immigration." It is an article that claims Mr. Bush's stance on immigration to be one of moral fiber and compassion. I fail to see how anyone could have lived through the past seven years and expressed such a view, but I suspect the article to be a cleverly disguised satire. The article's author, Jim Rutenberg, says that Bush came to understand the Mexican immigrants best because of the maid that has served his family for most of his life. It further claims that his brother Jeb marrying a Latina has deepened his understanding and that he affectionately refers to his nieces and nephews from this union as, "The little brown ones." Seriously. Among others that created his love for immigrants were the workers who labored in the oil fields of his father and the restaurant owners who hosted he and his friends. Bush and Bush cronies repeat the view that "these people would come here and be willing to do ANYTHING." I gather we are supposed to consider this as admiration for their work ethic rather than pleasure at their submissive, desperate situation. Notice that all the examples do hard labor, or work in the service industry. Could this be anything but satire meant to point out that Bush is looking toward immigration for cheap, submissive labor? That he views Mexican immigrants as people to household servants who are darn near as good as White Folks?
I am in favor of immigration and loathe it at the same time. In Zimbabwe, people are fleeing the country in droves due to violent oppression, four figure monthly inflation rates, 80% unemployment rates and an economy about to collapse into nothing. In Cape Verde, children are separated from their parents, seeing them only as monthly checks sent back from abroad. The population of the country is nearly equal to the number of their population abroad. Children are raised without parents because the parents have to go elsewhere to look for money to support those children. I play soccer with several people who are working here, trying to bring over their families, and hoping to be allowed to stay, themselves. Under Bush, the situation of the LEGAL immigrant has become a threatening, insecure situation. People are randomly sent home, denied visa extensions, because homeland security wants to pretend to be doing SOMETHING.
I agree with all those above who say that immigration needs to be dealt with by creating a fair system of global labor. By not allowing corporations to run to wherever they can find the cheapest, most desperate labor. As the stories of immigrants show, most would be pleased to stay near their families, near the places of their birth, in a place where their native language is spoken and their intelligence is not judged by their speech in a foreign one. I welcome the diversity of immigration but reject the necessity of it. Well-being for our families should not be an elusive rumor that we chase around the globe. It should be something available to all in our own backyard.
I suspect that Mr. Bush's immigration policy is to be used to erode the condition of labor in the United States. I suspect, also, that the randomness of his system for those seeking to stay is meant to keep immigrants silent and afraid. He wants a workforce for his backers that is easily cowed and disposable. I am in favor of open doors to all who would come, but not for the purpose of making them slaves. Not for the purpose of making affordable domestic servants for the wealthy. This current immigration debate is lost, mired in goals and terms that serve us all poorly. We need to address the global market and demand equity for all people in all places.
Sorry, Mr. Settgast, but you are barking up the wrong tree. Population has nothing to do with the matter. Mexico is far less densely populated than most European countries.
The cause of immigration from poor nation rich ones is neoliberal, capitalist system of so-called "globailzation" where nations pit their worker's wages against each other for a race to the bottom. The workers then are obligated to short-circuit this process by crossing borders in search of a livable wage.
As far as your prescriptions, some of them are based on incorrect information to put it politely. Many or most illegal aliens already get FICA, Medicare, and at least minimal amounts of Federal, State and local tax withholdings from their paychecks.
The rest of your arguments are just the usual callous racist crap. Illegal aliens are not receiving social benefits, US social benefits are so paltry that I doubt that they are having children to obtain benefits - for the child only, and if they are, are you suggesting we not help the child? Your argument is just a variant of the racist "black welfare queen" argument.
Raising minimum wage, while a great idea of course, would provide more motivation to cross the border.
The problem is the system - and the system has a name - neoliberal Capitalism. but I I think we are in for a loooong wait for the stupid, ignorant USAns to realize this!
Grassroots America might try looking at what Washington-dominated NAFTA has done to Mexico before bitching about "illegal aliens" (makes them sound like Klingons, fer crissake!)
Mexico has a better social services system that the U.S. so the Mexicans that immigrate to U.S. didnt do so for Social Services.
PDJ: You have a right to critique my comments. However you present a shallow viewpoint & misrepresent the facts. You reflect the views promoted by the religeous right & corporations who benifit from this cheap labor. This mentality has impeded viable reforms that could be resolving this problem, which can only worsen without mitigation. Your assertion that population does not factor in to this problem contradicts logic as do many of your comments.
Mr PDJ-- do your homework before you attack the credibility of someone who has observed this problem and given it some thought.
REMOVE THE BORDER. IF COMPANIES CAN GO ANYWHERE THEY WANT, SO DO PEOPLE. In Europe there are no such things. People can work in France, Italy and where they can. Not everyone wants to come here. If you can get a job in Mexico by the beach what would you do? In Europe they have the European Union and here we have NAFTA. Things are not that cut dry. Ok at the beginning you might see people flocking but not for long. You have family ties and love for the region where you are from. Any comments?
Unless illegal immigration is treated as primarily an economic issue, rather than an law enforcement issue, its solution will meet with no more "success" than the war on drugs.
If we really wanted to deter illegal immigration we would:
1) Eliminate subsidies on all US agricultural products which would make Mexican, Central American and South American products competetive.
2) Increase the minimum wage substantially and apply it to all categories of workers. The demand for low paid, unskilled labor would instantly disappear.
3) Make it easy for employers to determine if the immigrant is illegal or not. Levy stiff fines on employers who violate the law.
4) Either reform NAFTA or terminate it: While the treaty has been bad for the average American worker,it's been disasterous for the average Mexican worker.
5) Eliminate the World Bank, the International Monetary Fund and World Trade Organization, all of which have served corporate interests at the expense of the average worker in underdeveloped countries.
6) Stop demonizing Latin American leaders who are economic populists and start collaborating with them to improve the economic well being of their people.
7) Close down the School of the Americas which has facilitated tyranny, torture and human suffering throughout Latin America, which, in turn, has spurred human migrations.
The illegal immigration problem, in other words, could be readily solved at a considerable savings to the American taxpayer.
PDJ - You're wrong when you say "Illegal aliens are not receiving social benefits." In my county, the desperately poor who apply for benefits are told "we're out of money" and can't help you, unless you fall into one of our "priority" categories:
1) single, pregnant woman
2) totally disabled and unable to work
3) recent immigrant
4) speak English as a second language
I can certainly understand why the first two categories should be priorities, but the other two are reverse Robin Hood: it's stealing from the poor (working people who pay taxes) to give to the rich (scoff-law corporations who insource low-wage replacement workers, pay then slave wages and point them to government agencies for public benefits). It's even more despicable because U.S. citizens are denied needed benefits in favor of illegals.
I oppose the amnesty-for-illegal-employers bill which is being debated in the Senate.
I recommend Thom Hartmann on this issue:
http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0329-21.htm
http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0705-23.htm
I am astonished by the level of vitriol spewed out by reactionary elements against 'illegal immigrants'. Americans should thank their stars that there are people who so desperately want to come into their country that they are prepared to die in the attempt.
Instead of reverting to ignorant xenophobia/ unstated racism and dumb/narrow economic nationalism, Americans should welcome these energetic people with open arms. Having visited Southern California many times, I would say that, without immigration there would be no gardeners, no home workers, no labourers. Costs of living would skyrocket. The U.S. would become less competitive. A rich Latino culture would be stifled. Lifestyles would have to change radically.
It serves the American elites well to keep 'illegals' illegal because it is a conduit for (necessary) cheap labour. I say 'necessary' because all societies have an underclass whether you like it or not --- an underclass that the society must constantly strive to better. The poor human beings who support Americans' privileged lifestyle should be embraced instead of being spat upon. Build them a firm and easy path to becoming Americans.
The cruelty of some Americans (and opportunistic politicians) towards these hard-working supporters of the economy is revolting. No drivers' licences, no school nor health care for the kids, communities arresting illegals as they drive through (Costa Mesa, CA) --- sheesh! And Americans want America to be the beacon of hope for the world!! Laugh out LOUD.
I suspect, though, that the newsmakers and demonstrators are a loony fringe and that a large majority of Americans are compassionate and support the soft and humane approach. I can't stand Georgy Porgie but I think that, for once, to give his due, he's heading in the right direction whatever his motives.
As Loren Goldner has pointed out in his writings, capitalism must "loot" in order to sustain itself. It must "loot" the environment, for example, by strip mining and letting the public coffers pay for the clean-up; it must "loot" the workers by reducing wages and benefits; it must "loot" by stealing workers from other nations--workers who will work cheaper than the home-grown variety. Thus, by looting the immigrant workers, they avoid the investment (in time and money) which is necessary if the worker class is to reproduce itself at home. In other words, capitalism canabalizes itself. It praises and implements "increased productivity" only to see the margin of profit drop as prices drop, and thus, resorts to the "looting" to make up the difference. When the value of things reach an all time low, Goldner says, you have a depression. Those with stacks of money, buy up the goods of value at rock-bottom prices. Another way of "looting" is to start a war--it puts off for a while the inevitable, and the public treasury must once again bear all the costs.
Anyone who has followed Mitch McConnell and Trent Lott will know that there is no love for the workers in their own states--Kentucky corporations have gotten by with so much pollution that Kentucky has one of the highest cancer rates in the nation. So, what is their motive? We can safely rule out that they care one whit for the "poor" immigrants; but, as good capitalist lackeys, they want to "loot" these workers and infuse a dying capitalism, to keep more of the profits these cheaper workers will produce. They also get to loot the commonwealth, because they do not have to pay any benefits on these immigrants, and if the immigrants get sick, they just show up at the hospitals, clinics, etc. for treatment. Oftentime, they are transient, and so never have to pay bills that a more stable population is forced to pay by virture of the fact that they are homeowners or long-time residents. The United States has quickly become a third world country. A few live very well here, but many are without access to decent health care, education, and other necessities that make life worth living. There are third world countries that have better transportation systems than we have. But why have a good transit system when the well-to-do get subsidies from the government to buy their hummers and suvs? They also enjoy pitting native workers against immigrants--everything being a downward pressure on the standard of living in this country for both immigrant and native workers. Capitalism, itself, seems to be the problem. We need an economy based less on cut-throat competition and more on cooperation--of working together to meet human needs. How we are to go about this, I'm not sure.
The United States has never been able to control its borders, and, in fact, hasn't had to. If anyone seriously thinks Al Qaida is a problem, stop and consider aour borders--thousands of miles with no means of controlling them. If Al Qaida were a real indepedent organization, we would be in deep doo in this country. Realizing, however, that it is a CIA asset, we need not worry. There will be no more "terrorist attacks" until they receive their instructions from Washington.
It should be noted the LA Times is a publication dependent on corporate advertising. One of the big beneficiaries of the recently proposed legislation are employers that get a de facto amnesty. There are now over $250 Billion in uncollected employer fines for immigration violations.
This is a battle between the corporate profiteers and their propagandists and sycophants on the one hand, and the American middle class and poor on the other.
We've always known which side Bush, Lott and McConnell are on. Now we know (if we didn't already) which side Reid, Pelosi and Kennedy are on.
There were problems with this article that are common in Corporate Media coverage of immigration.
Skepticism around immigration is present in both parties-and on both sides of the political spectrum. The wealthy tend to support looser immigration policy-and that has reflect in strong institutional support for loose immigration policy.
The claim that most Americans support Amnesty is also questionable. The only choices in those polls are typically a rapid, potentially disruptive deportation or amnesty. Many other polls show that most Americans want less immigration. However, there are quite a few Americans that want less immigration that are quite concerned that the price of enforcement of immigration regulations doesn't fall solely on poor people. It is time to consider a wider range of options for containing immigration-including improving the jobs situation in Mexico and use of financial incentives to help illegal immigrants to return to their home countries.
This is a problem that won't just go away. This issue goes far deeper than simply activism on the part of a few vocal organizations.
"NumbersUSA says population growth is damaging the country - creating urban sprawl, snarling commuter roads, straining schools and hospitals, and diminishing natural resources. They say immigration propels much of this growth and should be restricted"
It's business as usual for the Los Angeles Times, portraying groups like NumbersUSA, their causes, and congressional support for those causes, as legitimate. One may argue that the LA Times is objectively reporting the facts, but that argument is based on the old, worn out assumption that the American people can smell a rat. They can't.
These arguments against illegal immigration abuse Americans' frustration with their own selfish failings/foolishness, and misdirects anger onto a scapegoat, immigrants, who had nothing to do with creating the problems.
The LA Times omitting this all-too-relevant fact in the context of the government's massive failures to represent to will of the people in urgent matters of the public interest, including this permanent war economy, and relentless biosphere destruction, is a failure of responsibility.
Urban sprawl? The idea was first posed by white males, not brown immigrants, as a solution to urban crowding after the fossil fuel and automobile industries ensured that every dollar that could be printed would be invested in maxing out America's energy consumption through private transport. The opportunity cost on those gargantuan investments, which could have been re-directed into sustainable transport, is now being paid by Americans busy building ever-higher walls of denial. Not to mention the hundreds of millions of climate change victims worldwide who will pay an even higher price.
Straining schools and hospitals? It's not the immigrants, of course, it's the right wing policies. All you have to do is compare the policies and their performance with those in Canada and elsewhere. Across all industrial sectors, the US is behind other developed countries in terms of efficiencies and costs.
Immigrants diminishing natural resources? What a joke. How could the LA Times report that without saying something to keep its readers from falling off their rockers? It must be that most of its readers are wearing straightjackets, many of them with vested interests in their manufacture.
In fact, if the gangs behind NumbersUSA could bring themselves to accept the immigrants' culture, instead of making war on it, they would find the solution to their real problems. But such facts are neglected by the LA Times because the MSM is a key enabler of the consumption/denial cycle. Not to mention the cause of the immigration: Dumping of US corn in Mexico, and US support for the massively corrupt Mexican oligarchy.
Here are nine facts about illegal immigration. Be sure to include them in all your future discussions
Myths and lies of illegal immigration
Because the pro-illegal alien lobby has a bottomless pit of money and can hire PR people to spin (and fabricate) anything any way, there are an undue number of myths and lies that the public (and many politicians) continue to perpetrate. The FACTS are:
1. Consumers are NOT benefiting from lower-labor costs. Again, it's CEOs and small business owners who benefit from taxpayer subsidies for their illegal-alien workers. The Big Three automakers say they moved so many jobs to Mexico because their labor costs are 80 percent less than in America. Anybody notice the price of new cars spiraling downward under NAFTA? Labor Unions are crying that their membership in decreasing, but yet many of them are Democrats who support amnesty for illegals. Americans need to get it in their head that illegals undermine the progress of unions. It "depresses US wages and displaces US workers!"
2. Illegal immigration is NOT an environmental problem. In fact, many environmental groups are starting to call attention to illegal aliens because the exploding population is undermining smart, sustainable growth. Illegal aliens contribute to urban sprawl, crowded emergency hospital rooms, overpopulated prisons, squatter camps on the US-Mexican border, and destruction to livestock, wildlife, and National Parks.
3. Illegal aliens are NOT necessarily coming here to work. Lou Dobbs recently reported that 33 percent of our prison population is now comprised of non-citizens. Many of these crimes are committed against honest, hard-working, middles-class Americans. Plus, 36 to 42 percent of illegal aliens are on welfare. So, for a good proportion of these people, the American dream is crime and welfare, not coming here to work. According to a study by University of Hawaii professor Karen Umemoto, there were 164 Hispanic perpetrators of hate crimes in LA County in 1997, compared to 119 white offenders. Illegals are stealing precious tax dollars, jobs, and social services from American citizens. They are populating our prisons, crowding our schools, running wild in the streets, and using emergency rooms as free health clinics. And the middle-class taxpayer gets the distinctive honor of paying for it ALL. Hispanics are the fastest growing segment of the prison population in southern US border states.
4. Illegal aliens are NOT doing work Americans won't do. What jobs won't Americans do? In most states, Americans still clean their own houses, do their own landscaping, clean hotel rooms, work in restaurants and fast food places, paint houses, DO CONSTRUCTION WORK, work in airports, etc. - just like we have the past 200 years before "our" government allowed these people to invade our country. There are 18 million Americans who cannot find a job; so illegal aliens who are coming here to work do so at peril to American workers. The American entrepreneurial spirit got our country where it is today. Illegals just underbid and displace American workers. They also depress wages because illegals are willing to live in conditions substandard to that of the US. It's not unusual for a residential garage to be crammed with 4-5 grown adults sleeping in it.
5. Illegal aliens absolutely do NOT contribute more than they cost. Certainly the millions in prison and on welfare aren't contributing a dime to our economy, and the ones who are working often are paid in cash with no deductions for taxes at all. The ones who use fraudulent social security numbers and qualify to pay taxes and social security have so many deductions for dependents that they pay little if any taxes. We have seen them pay less than $100 in taxes and get back $4,000 refunds (thanks to earned income tax credits and multiple dependents). The Center for Immigration Studies estimates that the average Mexican illegal alien costs U.S. taxpayers a whopping $55,000 each. The American middle class is picking up the bill. Some bargain, eh?
6. The economy does NOT depend on illegal aliens. Sure, greedy CEOs (making $50 to $150 MILLION a year) and business owners depend on illegal aliens, but due to #3, #4 and #5 above, the only thing illegal aliens are contributing to is the collapse of our economy and making the rich richer. Many of them also subvert our culture by filling frivolous lawsuits, not assimilating to our culture, and demanding more social services that their own corrupt country fails to provide them in the first place.
7. Without illegal aliens, the price of agricultural products and other goods/services will NOT soar. The definitive study on this subject is the University of Iowa's "How Much Is That Tomato?" The study concludes that since labor is such a small component of the end-price of agricultural products (which includes price to the growers, transportation costs, processing / storage costs, grocers' profit, etc.), using minimum wage workers instead of illegal aliens would increase prices of agricultural products by approximately 3 percent in the summer and 4 percent in the winter ... hardly the making of $10 heads of lettuce, $25 hamburgers, $1,000 per night Days Inn hotel rooms like the pro-illegal alien lobby claims.
8. It is racist to call these people "illegal aliens." In fact, "illegal aliens" is the only term used in federal laws and regulations to describe criminals (and they ARE criminals) who come into our country illegally. They are not "mere" immigrants, not undocumented immigrants, not migrant workers, and not day laborers - they're ILLEGAL ALIENS. Burglars are not uninvited houseguests. Car-jackers not are under-rated drivers. Bank robbers are not making unauthorized withdrawals. Pickpockets are not just borrowing a little cash. Drunk drivers are not just a little tipsy. They need to get at the end of the line and wait their turn just like everybody else. And they need to do it LEGALLY! Americans value immigration and we make no distinction of race. Instead, we make a clear distinction of LEGAL and ILLEGAL! There is a fundamental difference here.
9. Mexico is NOT a poor country. It has the fifth richest economy in the world, and by unloading its poverty problems on American soil their economic status keeps on rising. Mexico has more resources per square mile than the U.S. and plenty of money to take care of its own people. Why should the taxpayers of the USA subsidize Mexico's corruption, incompetence, and negligence? The greatest criticism should be levied at the Mexican government for not taking care of it's own people. Mexicans bail their own country like a sinking ship. And it's not the job of American politicians to solve Mexico's corruption, incompetence, and negligent problems. And even with their resources, Latin America still underperforms on the international market compared to Asia and Europe.
Hmm ... Moderator, why can't I edit this? Database error?
mrivera - Nice post. Thanks. However, I think you may have meant to say that illegal immigration IS an environmental concern.
Also, are you sure that Mexico is "fifth richest economy in the world?" According th the CIA World Factbook, Mexico's GDP (purchasing power parity) is the 15th highest in the world.
As we know, if illegal employers were fined and penalized until they terminated their illegal employees, and if public benefits were not available to illegals, the illegals would choose to go back to their home countries.
If 12-20 million illegals left the U.S., we know that wages and benefits would rise, unemployed and underemployed Americans would have jobs, the $45 billion/year (2006) sent out of the U.S. by illegals would instead be spent in the U.S. and boost our economy by $135-$315 billion per year due to the "multiplying factor."
We also know that historically, higher wages do not result in increased inflation. e.g every time the federal minimum wage has been increased, inflation has moderated or gone down.
We also know that billions in costs transfered from illegal employers to the public (healthcare, food stamps, housing, schools, law enforcement and incarceration, etc.) would be eliminated.
Here's my question. If 12-20 million illegals leave the country, what effect will that have on housing costs? Would there be downward pressure on rents? If so, that's just one more bonus for working and poor Americans.
'ballsy' said:"There can't be any economic justice for US workers w/o justice for mexican workers, too".
'holymoly' comments: "They also enjoy pitting native workers against immigrants"
If you follow the numerous threads on this explosive issue on Common Dreams you will find that many have
reach the same conclusion of 'ballsy' and 'holymoly' in same and/or other words. But this thoughts are anathema for our
global corporate system and its media servants. The latter pretend that they are 'denouncing' the multinational
dealings of their masters and with no shame conclude that the solution is igniting 'grassroots' fire in
the victims of this dealings in one side of the equation against the victims in the other side (This is the
brainwashing game of Lou Dobbs and others in TV and radio and of Roy Beck internet activism).
This strategy synthetize the realization exposed 23 centuries ago in Aristotle's "Politics" that the best
way of create effective cheap labor (slaves) is to mix expendable work teams of different nationalities
(and better different languages and other 'differences') that will fight against each other and then will
have no possibilities of concert to create any 'untoward novelty'.
This consciously designed groups 'differential' infighting has been and is being used more often that the
aproved history books and the media tell us (if they tell anything about it at all). We can see today in the
covert concept of 'creative chaos' (basic notion in Deception 101 teached and practiced 24/7 by thousandths of shady
corporate and big countries governments schools) subtle and not too subtle exploiting inside differences through out
targets in Latinoamerica, the Middle East and any place where the 'menace' of united people in peaceful and real
democracy goes against powerful economic and geopolitic interests.
Now we inside the bowels of the most insidious and ruthless globalizated elite that the history has known we are being
sold a creative aristotelian 'inmigration chaos' slogan. The divisive tactics that we used and use abroad are
coming to roast home. We have bought it wholesome including the 'bonus'('bogus') feature of alternate endings: 'reform'
that give us and 'them' race to the bottom wage slavery and 'non reform' that give us and 'them' (deadly worse for
'them") faster race to the bottom wage slavery plus the lost of all ethical meaning of what is America. Psy Ops
of the Pioner Fund Eugenics Boys already have decided how to manufacture 'free' consent for produce the second ending.
But what about our conceived in the unity 'untoward novelties' for fighting working class deceptions in the New World
Order?
Lets ennumerate same of them:
a)Globalize solidarity not only capital,
b)Combat corruption going after the big crime transnational bribers causing peoples displacement inside target countries
instead of small crime undocumented's employers here weakly subsisting in the system. The corruption in 'their
countries'-the receiving end of our buy offs- is overwhelmingly less that ours the offerors of the bribings.
c)Erase the notion of illegality in the cross boundaries movements of masses of people looking for better conditions of
life. This phenomena has been happening since ancient times abroad and America has been the light of the world in
welcoming this kind of inmigration.
d)Create worldwide Workers 'Basic Security and Partnership' Unions as clearly a different stance to the elites exploitative
'Fortress Security and Partnership' transnational arrangements.
e)Defeat the heavily propagandized idea that walls and slaves 'legal' IDs protect the 'homeland'. We saw and very likely we
are seeing now typical patterns employed in the history of covert operations: false flags and strategies of tensions
in Asia, Africa, Europe, Latinoamerica and the 'maligned' Middle East creating deliberatively 'porous' borders between
nations and totally 'legal' IDs for realizing unspeakable acts that suited our creative chaos and sowing of fear agenda
of the day. holymoly said "There will be no more 'terrorist attacks' until their receive their instructions from Washington".
f)Eliminate globally the big job magnets of suspiciouslly (buying off Congressmen) 'legal' contractors trafficking with slave wages,
crime and mayhem abroad and now at home under the pretense of being under 'moral abiding laws'. Do this instead of going
against the small fish job magnets needed for survival of the victims of this squeme.
g)Be prepared for the searing challenges to our Homeland Planet in the very near future bringing about by natural and
human made disasters that no recognize silly geographical boundaries. The elites are prepared for use 'shock and awe'
violence for crushing any complaint and dissent in these eventuallities here in home and across every nominal 'border'
in the World (and we are speaking beyond any humanitarian ONU 'mandate' for these emergencies). Are we the collateral
damage overexploited servants of the corporate aristocracy prepared in the same multinational level of them for defend
our universal rights?
Cheers, brothers and sisters of USA, Mexico and the world, We have a heck lot to do!