They'll Break the Bad News on 9/11
By this late date we should know the fix is in when the White House's top factotums fan out on the Sunday morning talk shows singing the same lyrics, often verbatim, from the same hymnal of spin. The pattern was set way back on Sept. 8, 2002, when in simultaneous appearances three cabinet members and the vice president warned darkly of Saddam's aluminum tubes. "We don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud," said Condi Rice, in a scripted line. The hard sell of the war in Iraq — the hyping of a (fictional) nuclear threat to America — had officially begun.
America wasn't paying close enough attention then. We can't afford to repeat that blunder now. Last weekend the latest custodians of the fiasco, our new commander in Iraq, Gen. David Petraeus, and our new ambassador to Baghdad, Ryan Crocker, took to the Sunday shows with two messages we'd be wise to heed.
The first was a confirmation of recent White House hints that the long-promised September pivot point for judging the success of the "surge" was inoperative. That deadline had been asserted as recently as April 24 by President Bush, who told Charlie Rose that September was when we'd have "a pretty good feel" whether his policy "made sense." On Sunday General Petraeus and Mr. Crocker each downgraded September to merely a "snapshot" of progress in Iraq. "Snapshot," of course, means "Never mind!"
The second message was more encoded and more ominous. Again using similar language, the two men said that in September they would explain what Mr. Crocker called "the consequences" and General Petraeus "the implications" of any alternative "courses of action" to their own course in Iraq. What this means in English is that when the September "snapshot" of the surge shows little change in the overall picture, the White House will say that "the consequences" of winding down the war would be even more disastrous: surrender, defeat, apocalypse now. So we must stay the surge. Like the war's rollout in 2002, the new propaganda offensive to extend and escalate the war will be exquisitely timed to both the anniversary of 9/11 and a high-stakes Congressional vote (the Pentagon appropriations bill).
General Petraeus and Mr. Crocker wouldn't be sounding like the Bobbsey Twins and laying out this coordinated rhetorical groundwork were they not already anticipating the surge's failure. Both spoke on Sunday of how (in General Petraeus's variation on the theme) they had to "show that the Baghdad clock can indeed move a bit faster, so that you can put a bit of time back on the Washington clock." The very premise is nonsense. Yes, there is a Washington clock, tied to Republicans' desire to avoid another Democratic surge on Election Day 2008. But there is no Baghdad clock. It was blown up long ago and is being no more successfully reconstructed than anything else in Iraq.
When Mr. Bush announced his "new way forward" in January, he offered a bouquet of promises, all unfulfilled today. "Let the Iraqis lead" was the policy's first bullet point, but in the initial assault on insurgents now playing out so lethally in Diyala Province, Iraqi forces were kept out of the fighting altogether. They were added on Thursday: 500 Iraqis, following 2,500 Americans. The notion that these Shiite troops might "hold" this Sunni area once the Americans leave is an opium dream. We're already back fighting in Maysan, a province whose security was officially turned over to Iraqi authorities in April.
In his January prime-time speech announcing the surge, Mr. Bush also said that "America will hold the Iraqi government to the benchmarks it has announced." More fiction. Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki's own political adviser, Sadiq al-Rikabi, says it would take "a miracle" to pass the legislation America wants. Asked on Monday whether the Iraqi Parliament would stay in Baghdad this summer rather than hightail it to vacation, Tony Snow was stumped.
Like Mr. Crocker and General Petraeus, Mr. Snow is on script for trivializing September as judgment day for the surge, saying that by then we'll only "have a little bit of metric" to measure success. This administration has a peculiar metric system. On Thursday, Peter Pace, the departing chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, called the spike in American troop deaths last week the "wrong metric" for assessing the surge's progress. No doubt other metrics in official reports this month are worthless too, as far as the non-reality-based White House is concerned. The civilian casualty rate is at an all-time high; the April-May American death toll is a new two-month record; overall violence in Iraq is up; only 146 out of 457 Baghdad neighborhoods are secure; the number of internally displaced Iraqis has quadrupled since January.
Last week Iraq rose to No. 2 in Foreign Policy magazine's Failed State Index, barely nosing out Sudan. It might have made No. 1 if the Iraqi health ministry had not stopped providing a count of civilian casualties. Or if the Pentagon were not withholding statistics on the increase of attacks on the Green Zone. Apparently the White House is working overtime to ensure that the September "snapshot" of Iraq will be an underexposed blur. David Carr of The Times discovered that the severe Pentagon blackout on images of casualties now extends to memorials for the fallen in Iraq, even when a unit invites press coverage.
Americans and Iraqis know the truth anyway. The question now is: What will be the new new way forward? For the administration, the way forward will include, as always, attacks on its critics' patriotism. We got a particularly absurd taste of that this month when Harry Reid was slammed for calling General Pace incompetent and accusing General Petraeus of exaggerating progress on the ground.
General Pace's record speaks for itself; the administration declined to go to the mat in the Senate for his reappointment. As for General Petraeus, who recently spoke of "astonishing signs of normalcy" in Baghdad, he is nothing if not consistent. He first hyped "optimism" and "momentum" in Iraq in an op-ed article in September 2004.
Come September 2007, Mr. Bush will offer his usual false choices. We must either stay his disastrous course in eternal pursuit of "victory" or retreat to the apocalypse of "precipitous withdrawal." But by the latest of the president's ever-shifting definitions of victory, we've already lost. "Victory will come," he says, when Iraq "is stable enough to be able to be an ally in the war on terror and to govern itself and defend itself." The surge, which he advertised as providing "breathing space" for the Iraqi "unity" government to get its act together, is tipping that government into collapse. As Vali Nasr, author of "The Shia Revival," has said, the new American strategy of arming Sunni tribes is tantamount to saying the Iraqi government is irrelevant.
For the Bush White House, the real definition of victory has become "anything they can get away with without taking blame for defeat," said the retired Army Gen. William Odom, a national security official in the Reagan and Carter administrations, when I spoke with him recently. The plan is to run out the Washington clock between now and Jan. 20, 2009, no matter the cost.
Precipitous withdrawal is also a chimera, since American manpower, materiel and bases, not to mention our new Vatican City-sized embassy, can't be drawn down overnight. The only real choice, as everyone knows, is an orderly plan for withdrawal that will best serve American interests. The real debate must be over what that plan is. That debate can't happen as long as the White House gets away with falsifying reality, sliming its opponents and sowing hyped fears of Armageddon. The threat that terrorists in civil-war-torn Iraq will follow us home if we leave is as bogus as Saddam's mushroom clouds. The Qaeda that actually attacked us on 9/11 still remains under the tacit protection of our ally, Pakistan.
As General Odom says, the endgame will start "when a senior senator from the president's party says no," much as William Fulbright did to L.B.J. during Vietnam. That's why in Washington this fall, eyes will turn once again to John Warner, the senior Republican with the clout to give political cover to other members of his party who want to leave Iraq before they're forced to evacuate Congress. In September, it will be nearly a year since Mr. Warner said that Iraq was "drifting sideways" and that action would have to be taken "if this level of violence is not under control and this government able to function."
Mr. Warner has also signaled his regret that he was not more outspoken during Vietnam. "We kept surging in those years," he told The Washington Post in January, as the Iraq surge began. "It didn't work." Surely he must recognize that his moment for speaking out about this war is overdue. Without him, the Democrats don't have the votes to force the president's hand. With him, it's a slam dunk. The best way to honor the sixth anniversary of 9/11 will be to at last disarm a president who continues to squander countless lives in the names of those voiceless American dead.
© 2007 The New York Times
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Show AllIraq is a country in the sign of Pisces just as Virgo is. Other countries have stars in other constellations.
Since Bush started war in Iraq, & countries are attacked, the people's lives become diasters in whatever country they belong to.
Solution: is to bring people with Pisces, Virgo signs & any other sign associated with Pisces in the into a discussion on how to stabilize & balance the situation.
Vfor911 - On possibility of being CD but "not" an inside job?
FYI, WTC7 was the New York HQ for the CIA and Secret Service. No one could have snuck a firecracker in there without them knowing.
I have to say this...
the "Inside Job" people and the astrologers have something in common. You don't accept the notion of chaos. You have to have an explanation for everything.
I wish the universe was so easily grasped by the human mind, but it's far bigger and way more complex than that.
The world's tallest buidings once looked as strong as the pyramids, but they were actually as delicate and taut as bow strings. When multi-ton aircraft collide with megtons of construction material, weird things are bound to happen.
The human mind has evolved to notice patterns. But in our current state of information-overload, it's easy to see things that aren't there.
Science and reason can explain much - perhaps even most - of our experience of life... but not all of it.
The concept of chaos is accepted by science, why not by you?
michael ciulla June 26th, 2007 1:34 am
Folks-here's our direction out of this mess: Ron Paul, in 2008.
If you haven't visited his website or viewed the many videos on youtube, you should! If you haven't voted for many years (and for good reason!), now's the time to register and vote for Ron Paul! Send him money, and spread the word!
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Ron Paul! Ron Paul! register. vote for him. send him money.....
Yup, RP is gonna' be the next messiah/saviour/hero dude. Yup, he'll fix all that's broken in 'merica. Yessireee.
sigh...
@RescueGreyhound
"Iraq is not a failure, it is a success. It has done exactly what it was supposed to do.."
Agreed. I said the same a couple of years ago. A democratic stable Middle East isn't good for America.
The Bush/Cheney Mission To Plunder The American Family & Enrich Big Oil Companies & Giant Defense Contractors is Accomplished!
Christian Coalition Troops Occupying Sacred Muslim Land is Destabilizing The Middle East & Causing Big Oil & ExxonMobil & Big Defense Contractors & Halliburton To Earn Massive Profit!
• American People in the last election spoke loud and clear & demand OUT OF IRAQ! The American People WERE BETRAYED BY PELOSI & REED! DO NOT BETRAY THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AGAIN!
• Bush/Cheney policies have created a holocaust event in the middle east, wasted hundreds of billions of dollars on military spending, destabilized the Middle East which has raised the price of a barrel of oil to $70 and a gallon of gasoline to $3-$4 ! MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!
• Democracy anywhere must include an independent media. CORPORATE CONTROL HAS REPLACED INDEPENDENT MEDIA! THERE ARE NO independent voices appearing on CNN, MSNBC and FOX NEWS! Only Neutered Republican & Democratic Strategists!
• There are 463 Million Muslims in the Middle East. Most want Christian Coalition Troops off their land and many are willing to support Al-Qaeda with money or manpower to make it happen.
• US Government can make Al-Qaeda cease to exist and make them a rebel without a cause and dry up all their financial support! Get US troops Out of Muslim Land.On March 21, 1983 Ronald Reagan called Al-Qaeda and Osama Bin Laden "Freedom Fighters" when they fought and ousted the Soviet Occupiers and ended their puppet government in Afghanistan. Why is the US Government so surprised to find them (Al-Qaeda) doing to US Troops in Afghanistan & Iraq in 2007 (killing them) what we wanted them to do to Soviet Troops in Afghanistan in 1978 (kill them)!
OCCUPATION: THE CAUSE NOT THE CURE
• Over a million Iraqi & Iranian soldiers were killed in the 1978-1988 War. The Bush Administration with the consent of congress is headed for another catastrophic war - with Iran with the possible use of nuclear weapons – At risk is massive loss of US Troops in Iraq!
• Only Diplomatic resolution to nuclear buildup in the Middle East can remain on the table. The greatest risk of worldwide nuclear war comes not from Iran's Enrichment Program but Israel's 200-400 targeted and ready to be launched thermonuclear weapons! Time to end this cover-up and send in weapons inspectors!
• 2 out of every 3 barrels of oil on planet earth are located in 5 countries in the Middle East and is worth over 44 trillion dollars. This oil cannot be drank but must be sold – the US Troops are NOT needed to protect these reserves.
• Over 3,500 American Lives have been lost in Iraq and Over 26,000 US Troops have been wounded. Over 437 billion dollars have already been spent in Iraq and another 12 billion per month. Congress must redeploy US Troops out of Iraq & Afghanistan and into protecting the US and its borders. This War Must Be a War Against Energy Waste! Congress must help get Americans off fossil fuels and into renewable energy sources by providing grants and loans to homes and business.
GRANTS & LOANS FOR RENEWABLE ENERGY
• off fossil fuels and into renewable energy sources by providing grants and loans
• The Bush/Cheney Administration Invades Iraq Based On Lies and Profit, Installs a Democracy With Bullets & Bombs, Creates an (Oil Rich) Shia Controlled Iraqi Government, Which Will Force 6 Million (Oil Empty) Sunnis To Choose Between Eating Sand or Setting Bombs!
• Iraq & Afghanistan will never settle their civil wars unless the US gets our troops out. Any government that can only exist as a result of Protection by US Troops is not legitimate and will eventually be overthrown following a US Troop Withdrawal.
• END THE CONGRESSIONAL COVERUP to the Correct Number of Deaths in Iraq as a result of the US invasion of 2003. The Scientific Lancet Study Reported 559 Additional Iraqi Deaths PER DAY. The total number of Iraqi Death up until June of 2007 would be 866,450!
• The Mission of GENERAL DAVID PETRAUS is to install security and stability in Iraq! It is clear to the America that US OCCUPATION IS NOT THE CURE BUT IS THE CAUSE OF INSECURITY AND INSTABILITY IN IRAQ! THIS IS THE MAIN REASON WHY A BARREL OF OIL IS NOW TRADING AT $69.25 PER BARREL!
• The people in the Middle East have done very well without US involvement for the past 4000 years.
SAY YES TO DIPLOMACY NO TO OCCUPATION!
The warmonger old politicians having the time of their life.
The young men and women in unform giving theirs. How can these be fair?? Bush and Cheney will retire with billions of ill gotten dollars and the young soldiers will live with permanent scar's, missing limbs for the rest of their life.
This administration is the most corrupt, loaded with liars in our history. Their loyalty is to ISRAEL first and not the USA. They will soon start another war and by next year we all be living under Marshall Law and king George W. will rule us all.
IMPEACH CHENEY AND BUSH NOW.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Folks-here's our direction out of this mess: Ron Paul, in 2008.
If you haven't visited his website or viewed the many videos on youtube, you should! If you haven't voted for many years (and for good reason!), now's the time to register and vote for Ron Paul! Send him money, and spread the word!
Vince,
I am not one hundred percent convinced of an inside job, but I am convinced that WTC one, two and seven were examples of CD. I see two alternatives. One, the G did it. Two. Wahabi Sunnis? I seriously doubt that Osama could infiltrate well enough to plant what was undoubtedly classified ordnance. Well, there you have it.
About 911 conspiracy, I don't know for sure, but there are too many things wrong with the MSM and administration stories. I recommend "A New Pearl Harbor" a book that lists 35 different things that happened that day that, if any one or even two had happened, you could say, "Well, that's just a coincidence." But 35? No way. Examples include the non interception by fighters. Does anyone remember the golfer Payne Stewart and his Lear jet? When it went off course, they had fighters in visual contact within 16 minutes! 16 minutes, yet here on 911 there were four airliners off course, some for well over an hour, and none could be intercepted. If that was the only thing, I would say well it's just some Norad screw up. But it's not. As to the Twin Towers, I watched them fall over and over that day and there was no doubt in my mind, on that day, before there ever was a conspiracy theory, that they were a controlled demolition. Another "coincidence" from ANPH, why was the steel still molten days, and even a couple of weeks after 9/11? And why was the scrap metal not examined in any way? Why was it sold and shipped to China before anyone could look at it to determine the cause of collapse?
I can't say what the conspiracy consisted of or who was in on it, but I am sure that the Bushie's story is a lie.
If we withdraw now the situation in Iraq may or may not get worse and the "terroist threat" to the US may or may not get worse. But both can be manipulated to look much worse by the administration and the press. IMO the Democrats are scared because they expect that forcing withdrawal will precipitate the appearance of a disaster no matter what the truth is. After withdrawal maybe the media would begin to publish the horrific images of carnage in Iraq that today most Americans are blithely unaware of. Also any attack on the US would be immediately be blamed on the withdrawal. Anyone who advocates withdrawal must be prepared for the endless chant of "We told you so" from the Büsh administration and its media shills. They have the whole thing stacked against peace.
Let's remember two things.
1. Iraq is not a war, it is a war crime.
2. Iraq is not a failure, it is a success. It has done exactly what it was supposed to do, destabilize Iraq. As mentioned above, The Project for a New American Century, (PNAC) was designed to destabilize the whole Middle East. They started with Iraq, and now have their sights on Iran and Syria, with the rest to follow. Does everyone here know that we (Sorry, not we, the Bush Administration) are arming Sunnis in both Iraq and Lebanon? That they are conducting covert ops in Iran? The Sunnis hate us. Osama Bin Laden is a Sunni for Pete's sake, and now we're giving them guns? They are sowing the wind in the Middle East and we, and this time I mean us, will reap the whirlwind.
On the subject of National Referendum, don't be in such a hurry to let that genie out of the bottle. After all, majority rule is three wolves and a lamb voting on what to serve for dinner. When majority rules, it doesn't always work out so well for minorities.
Eric Arthur Blair:
It is my hope that come noon 20 January 2009, a swarm of very partisan investigators will grap every scrap of documentation that hasn't been buried, sequestered or destroyed and keep digging until everyone in the world has a better understanding of just what really did happen on that day.
Eric,
dream on
I'm not going to go so far as to side with the conspiracy theorists on whether 9/11 was an inside job, but it will not suprise me (though it shall disappoint me) if it should someday be found that the Bush administration had more advance knowledge of the attacks than they later admitted and let them happen as an excuse to advance the PNAC agenda.
Too many things have happened at "convenient" times - terrorism attack rumors and elevated alert levels at times advantageous to the administration and its allies, other events proving economically advantageous to war profiteers and their ilk, one too many "October surprises" - to avoid the notion that events after the fact have been orchestrated. One can't help but wonder what went before and during as well. That the Bushies' biggest players were all in absentia, scattered around the country on the big day, was no confirmation that there was a finger on the button, but looks suspiciously like someone neglected to set the alarm. Furthermore, politicians on all sides have shown a shameless eagerness to exploit 9/11 for their own benefit.
It is my hope that come noon 20 January 2009, a swarm of very partisan investigators will grap every scrap of documentation that hasn't been buried, sequestered or destroyed and keep digging until everyone in the world has a better understanding of just what really did happen on that day.
I don't care to mock or denigrate those whom I may not understand, nor those opinions which may not resonate with mine. I don't know much about Astrology, for example, and still there may be some/much merit in Astrological principles or predictions, such as those which SiouxRose mentions. And they may also be keenly relevant to events and behaviour/s on planet Earth. Honestly, what's the harm in keeping or having an open mind regarding such things?
That being said, I still feel that the crux of our problems are "much closer to home". And they're certainly much more observable, and therefore more verifiable to many. Specifically, I know a great deal about Alice Miller's work; which Lo Q Lellity mentioned. Imo, Miller is brilliant; her work is ingenious, practical, insightful, loving, and enormously helpful. I have experienced, witnessed, and observed first hand miraculous results/changes/effects, in other words, miraculous healing via the understanding and integration of her teaching and writing.
9/11 was an inside job. I knew it on that very day. Before I'd done any research into the specifics, the mechanics, the details of what happened. How do I know this? Via instinct and intuition. I can't prove this to another soul. But if there are those, and I feel that there are millions, who still don't know, then they are welcome to do the voluminous research, just as I and countless others have done. The arguments and facts (scientific, provable) are available all over the Net and elsewhere. For those who have eyes... ;)
As for Frank Rich's thoughtful piece, it seems that Rich is banking on a one-trick pony, Senator Warner. With all due and sincere respect accorded to Mr. Rich, that seems a tad naive and quite limited to me.
Neither do I feel that voting, etc. is going to change a damned thing for the better. The entire system is rigged, corrupted, broken.
It's been stated and ignored before, but imo, the only/best chance for a massive socio/political change is for people to "vote" with their wallets. Economic/purchasing power is a key power that the war mongers notice, care about, and respect. All paltry excuses aside (please don't bother, I've read 'em all, including several on this site), there's nary a reason offered in rebuttal. None. Nada. Never! Each of us has some, purchasing power that is. Use it or lose it.
Some of you might want to consider this too. It's more universal/spiritual in essence. Worth a peek, if you're inclined:
"That which is broken cannot be fixed and that which is real cannot be broken. Focus on what is real and the rest shall fade away."
From here:
http://www.templeofsakkara.com/kencousenstreatise.htm#kenpart5
Call it artsy-fartsy, or whatever. It is what it is, and imo, it too has value.
Unity. We could use a whole lot more unity. Can't we all check our damned divisive egos at the door?
Peace ever'body :)
Vince,
9-11? Look up WTC-7, and explain to me why that building fell!
All you need to do is recall TLC or Discovery footage of imperfect demolitions where some explosives didn't go off leaving vertical supports in place tipping the building sideways. All 3 buildings at the WTC came straight down.
Friends, I really object to those of us who have doubts about the official 9/11 story being castigated as "conspiracy theorists."
I was incapacitated recently following some foot surgery and decided to really take a look at what happened on that dreadful day (I was here in Manhattan when it happened!). If those of you who are so scornful would do the same and cast aside your preconceived opinions (which have been formed by the official story) you too might come away convinced that 1) the Towers could not have collapsed the way they did without being brought down by controlled demolition (and please don't discount the many comments - on tape - of firemen and others who heard explosions) 2) no large jetliner could have gone into that hole (and evaporated!) in the Pentagon 3) the Shanksville plane couldn't possibly have "dived" into the hole it supposedly went into 4) it was not possible to make long cell phone calls from the doomed planes (conveniently telling the world the official story of what was happening). There is more but I'll stop with the main points.
I finally managed to convince a friend of mine that the Towers couldn't have fallen the way they did by the way they were supposed to have fallen. For one thing all the joists on each floor would have to have failed simultaneously. Plus the core of those buildings consisted of very thick, very strong steel columns which would have slowed down the collapse or even stopped it at some point. Anyway, I digresss. My friend admitted that it wasn't so much that he didn't believe me but that he didn't want to consider that the US government could have been involved in it.
I think those of you decrying us as "conspiracy theorists" fall into this category. I ask you to go look at the photographs and videos of that day, read the comments of the doubters and use your own common sense.
Everything that Bush & Co. has done since that day would have been impossible without it happening!
RE: LOOKING TO A REPUBLICAN CONGRESSMAN TO MAKE A BOLD ANTI-IRAQ-OCCUPATION STATEMENT TO "GIVE COVER" TO OTHER REPUBLICANS
FRANK RICH WRITES:
"As General Odom says, the endgame will start "when a senior senator from the president's party says no," much as William Fulbright did to L.B.J. during Vietnam. That's why in Washington this fall, eyes will turn once again to John Warner, the senior Republican with the clout to give political cover to other members of his party who want to leave Iraq before they're forced to evacuate Congress."
COMMENT:
Rich proposes 1) that Republicans want to break with policy of continued U.S. occupation of Iraq, if only to save their political skins; but that 2) a powerful Republican congressman will have to initiate the break to "give political cover" to others.
The comparison with Senator Fulbright's influential break with President Johnson's Vietnam policy in the mid-1960s is striking.
Regrettably, pinning hopes for withdrawal on a Republican congressman also suggests that other forms of resistance have not succeeded...
RE: PROGRESSIVES AND THE 'ASTROLOGICAL LEFT': QUARRELING WHILE THE U.S. GOES TO HELL
Ron June 24th, 2007 4:48 pm
Io Q. Lellity June 24th, 2007 5:11 pm
You know...even if I believed in astrology, my thinking about it would operate in a whole different register than political analysis.
Having said that, however, if somebody holds a banner in a march, writes a letter, pulls a lever or writes a letter for change...or in any other way says 'no'...then I hope they can be welcomed in the progressive camp.
The attacks and bickering about such issues are depressing, because they point to the irrelevance of the left. It's like a bunch of little fishies struggling for turf in a little bowl, as the bowl jitters on the edge of the table.
Wake up. You're on a precipice. Do you want to go over snapping at each other? Good effin' grief.
As a poster commented in another thread:
http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/06/19/1972/
wcdevins June 19th, 2007 4:53 pm
"The responses to this article show what's really great about progressives and also why progressives will never have enough influence in the current system to change anything in the foreseeable future"
I have called for a one year boycott of military enlistment as a way to dry up the cannon fodder for this insanity until I'm blue in the face. Why won't anybody at least try this? The administration is already having trouble meeting recruiting goals; even a 50% success rate would paralyze the military. There will be NO draft in response to a boycott. There is absolutely no stomach for a draft in this country right now. Yes, they may be able to get some illegal immigrants to join with the promise of citizenship in return, but how mercinary does that make the whole thing look?
I challenge Medea Benjamin and the rest of Code Pink to put up or shut up on this idea. I'll find a way to be on the picket line in front of a recruiting station in my area if you do.
Vfor911: to answer your question directly: No, I don't think Sept 11 was an inside job, but I am open to new revelations if only for the fact that that attack was just so perfectly convenient. The 2000 Bush campaign adopted the PNAC policy framework ("Rebuilding America's Defenses") early in that campaign and that document, if you study it, was and continues to be the complete statement of purpose and direction for Bush and the neocons. Everything that has been done by this Administration was spelled out in the PNAC document, and yes I'm aware of the reference contained therein to the mobilizing effect of Pearl Harbor. The fact remains however that there are certainly many jihadists that would and could have carried out the attack just as it appears to have been done. Remember that until 9/11 our arrogance and feeling of superiority made it quite easy for the hijackers to carry this out, exactly as it apears to have been done.
Part of the Rove/Chaney/Bush strategy is to drive events so rapidly that all opposition is befuddled and off-balance. Just as information surfaces revealing manipulation and subterfuge for some past event a new crisis is precipitated and inquiry becomes irrelevant. As horrific as 911 was, and more so if indeed it was purposely allowed to justify the real campaign, what has been done since then, as a so-called response, is just as despicable and inhumane.
Yes, absolute proof that the Administration was involved in 9/11 would immediately end the Bush regime. Don't hold your breath expecting that to happen. The mere fact of the Iraq invasion should be enough to take down Bush. The invasion, even if the accusations were true, was and is illegal. Iraq did not threaten us, could not threaten us, and was not involved in 9/11. Proving Administration complicity in 9/11 would be redundant to the illegality of our current foreign policy.
Why do we consistently allow corrupt, cowardly men and women to run our government and our lives?
The administration, present and future, Republican or Democrat, is never going to leave Iraq until they are forced to at gunpoint. They are not building permanent military bases and the largest embassy in the world there for nothing. However, if anyone cares to remember Viet Nam, it was much the same situation and I can't wait to see Ambassador Crocker boarding the last helicopter out of his 104 acre palace.
Thank you born2bwild. I don't care about people's viewpoints as long as we work collectively to find creative solutions. I do find it interesting to read the different places people come from, and usually feel hopeful that with different perspectives we can work together for our common goals, putting aside those goals we do not hold in common.
I don't think yelling "impeach!" at our so-called leaders will get us anywhere, although I'm not advocating we stop doing it, but I do think we must look for other means at the same time. As many of you probably know by now, I strongly believe that the National Initiative is our best bet, but it's a lot of work. So far, nearly everyone I've informed about it is enthusiastic, or at least supports it even if believing we will never get 50 milion signatures. But I think we will. IF we do the work. They won't get handed to us. I emailed the organizer and he will set up a PDF to count hand signed "votes" for those without computers. So I can download the registrationa and vote pages and go out and collect signatures. I have created a "fact" page for people to read and share. Most people even without computers know people with them, so they can encourage them to go to www.Ni4D.us and check it out for themselves. We're going to have to do this one person at a time, but I believe our democracy depends on it. the framers of our Constitution wouldn't have provided for this if they didn't think we might need it at a future time, bless their hearts. I don't think we should let them down. They gave everything for the future of this country, we can at least do this. When I last heard from the organizer, David, he had recorded 6000 votes. The internet is the most amazingly powerful tool for spreading information, let's use it before they take it from us.
this is getting a bit rediculous -
we are witnessing the collapse of our country and the real possibility of taking the rest of the world with us and we are arguing with each other over the arrangement of the deck chairs. over and over again! i'm beginning to lose a bit of what little faith i have been nursing in the progressive community. i believe that BECAUSE of our different points of perception we hold the key to turning this mess around in the palm of our COLLECTIVE hand. but we will never use it to unlock the appropriate door as long as we are unable to progress beyond our current facination with our own opinions, however well articulated. we need to more fully and cooperatively engage with each other - to use our unity, regardless of our opinions, and to use our intrinsic knowledge and awareness, regardless of our expertise, to bring positive change to the planet. everything else seems like lack of sincerity and a waste of precious time.
Being an atheist I have the perspective that basically all religion is bullshit. It seems to be something lazy people need to explain things they don't understand and to come to grips with their own mortality. It also seems to be something manipulative people can use to cause the masses to go this way and that and for fanatics within each religion to do things both against the teachings of their religion and basic commonsense.
So now we have the "my religion is bigger than your religion" pissing contest going on. It's the same fight going on against the same gods since man thought gods up. Let me tell you who is going to win this fight.
No one.
After the power-brokers of death have polluted us all to extinction (Google: the Sixth Extinction) and left this planet a toxic waste-dump, if anything can crawl out of the putrid wasteland and evolve they can thank the gods for the mess we've made.
And if they should find man's tombstone this is what should be written on it: "For all man's genius he couldn't survive his or his gods collective stupidity"
So many lives so badly wasted, so many more to follow.
Yo, all you SFB's out there giving SiouxRose a hard time:
Sir Isaac Newton, in addition to defining the fields of physics and calculus, was responsible for correcting Kepler's Three Laws of Planetary motion with his Three Laws of Motion + theory of Gravity from which the entire field of Astronomy was derived. Nevertheless, he repeatedly asserted that science was the servant of the Art of Mysticism. ASTROLOGY was far more important to him. Because, the WHY of things (abstract theory) always preceeds the HOW (applied theory). None of you closed-minded flat-earthers could even come close to walking in his shoes.
It is better to remain silent than to speak volumes about what you do not know, thus proving your ignorance beyond any shadow of a doubt!!!
Frank Rich is a NY Times culture section contributor. It is noteworthy that Rich is able to think in a critical manner outside the box to discern the pattern of official disinformation much more readily than the A-section columnists and "regulars." It may have to do with the way journalists who get to be columnists in the more hard news-oriented A-section are weeded out if they do not absorb certain rules of the game, such as criticizing government action, if at all, only in vague flowery tones and providing "balance."
In a similar vein compare the work of columnist Thomas Friedman, a foreign policy journalist "veteran," with that of columnist Paul Krugman, a brilliant academic who was offered a column later in his career. The former is a hack who spouts tired neo-liberal orthodoxies, cheerleads for US military interventions and US-supported strong-man pupppet regimes, the latter is an independent thinker whose columns challenge and offer insight.
Very good piece with links to all of the dirt.
He did forget one thing though. We are no longer referring to them as insurgents, but as Al-Qaeda militants. Not hard to follow how the stay-or-go question is going to be presented in September since by then the Iraqi Nationalists/insurgents will have morphed into Al-Qaeda militants. And the MSM is going right along with this as far as I can see. I guess that is no surprise though.
"Real Christians don't murder people!"
Yes, they do; I condemn all murderers including soldiers and police, but those people for thousands of years who killed, killed, and killed do meet the dictionary definition of "christian," that is what the religion was, like it or not. If you want to change it, fine, but what you're doing is denying the victimization of many people by the christian church.
Siouxrose, my response to your sexist, racist astrology is based upon your internal ugliness which you barely succeed at hiding behind it. You have profiled me not based on what I've said, but on your own prejudices; I have done the opposite. If you had bothered to know me you would see that I am not left brained, and nor do you know my gender unless I told it you, which I didn't. You are a prime example of the art of putting all sorts of hate and right-wing attitudes behind an obfuscating veil, but I can say that, thankfully, I use my creativity constructively. But this is the last post here I will write to or about you.
Real Christians don't murder people!
Eat a Peach for Peace...
Siouxrose: As an aside....I'm an Aquarian, 2-7-50.....7 a.m Northern Ohio. Can you give me some insights into my future....?!
I realize this is WAAAYYYYY off topic, but, hey! I'm always down for a free reading!!!
What do you think Vince Lawrence? Was 911 an inside job?
The veracity of astrology is not as relevant as whether or not our so called leaders believe in astrology and use it to plan their day.
The best way to honor the sixth anniversary of 9/11 will be to at last disarm a president. . .and to have a real investigation of 911. At best, 911 was dereliction of duty and heads should have rolled - none did.
Wonderful. Conspiracy buffs and astrologers. With a mix like that we will certainly uncover some deep truths. We don't have to postulate a "hidden" conspiracy because what these bozo's do is quite out in the open and always has been. They haven't quite figured out yet how to supress all information.
I've come to the conclusion that all public discourse on the current state of America and humanity is fundamentally flawed. It was inevitable that we would be violently interceding in the affairs of the nations of the Persian Gulf. We are completely and hopelessly dependent on cheap abundant oil to keep that bullish market humming away. I know this, you know this, they know this, and the whole world knows this. This denoument was never inevitable at any moment of real choice or decision. Only looking back and reviewing what we did and did not do reveals the inevitability of 9/11.
Whether it was an inside job or not is a matter that should be finally and completely settled if only to arrest the socialy debilitating effects of suspicion and mistrust aka conspiracy theories. But the significance at this moment is small compared to the choices and decisions that are screaming for resolution.
The people of the Gulf have it figure out, I'm sure. Until all of the oil is pumped out of the ground their future will fe filled with jet fighter-bombers, 1000 lb bombs, tanks, guns, DU contamination, and rivers of blood, heartache, and desperation. We are all guilty of murder.
Io Q and ron: A question you might ask yourselves is how entertaining a prejudice to a field you know nothing about while throwing barbs at one who is ENLIGHTENED in this abstract field of thought speaks about YOU. As Richard Bach stated, "Argue FOR your limitations and you get to keep them."
ron: Your ego is probably hanging over your belt. I am an EXPERT, recognized professional in my field. I yield the "right of way" to those on this site who know more about history or economics or technical warfare than I do, but anyone who presumes to take me on in my court better have damned good credentials. Your ignorance disqualifies you.
Ron, unfortunately she is not kidding; if you go to her website, you'll see she writes like that for a living to other people who wish to remain blind to the true, tangible human causes of violence and other social ills in our world. Luckily there are biological females in the world with more consciousness about such things, like this one: http://www.alice-miller.com/ .
Siouxrose: I hope you are kidding. If you believe in astrology, your technical incompetence is astounding. As Bill Maher often says: If you believe in crazy things, you shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a voting both. Your post is looney and I truly hope you jest and are not really a fool.
Once again, the astrology for September has some MAJOR violent influences. I know it can be argued that the U.S. foreign policy IS violent, but when Pluto enters the equation, matters of destruction escalate. From the eclipse in Pisces (sign of deception) on August 28 until the end of September, the LOGOS is inflamed. The sun in square to Pluto occurs on September 19-20, and worse, Mars in Gemini (sign of aggression through language an argument) opposes Pluto on September 20-23. These are days to watch, as they carry strong emphases on violence, and I hope what Seymour Hersh's sterling journalism has postulated does not begin then, but Pluto, planet or whatever we want to term it, was discovered synchronous with the deployment of nuclear power and its activity carries some connection with the use of this dark force. There will be persons on hand--like Libra Jimmy Carter and Libra John Dean who do what they can to TALK peace and balance into the mix. It's also plausible that rhetoric will impart the Pluto force WITHOUT any further sting of the scorpion.
"Victory will come," he says, when Iraq "is stable enough to be able to be an ally in the war on terror and to govern itself and defend itself."
What makes you think Iraq wants to be an ally in your shallow shadow "war", idiot?
BushCo will use this to win (for the Repugs or himself) in 2008. Here's how:
1) After a 1-month analysis of the Sep results of the surge, Bush will (tearfully) admit he was wrong and say "bring the troops home for Xmas".
2) The eventual evacuation of US troops will leave the 126,000 US "country builders" (spin for mercenaries) undefended.
3) Angry Iraqi mobs will slaughter significant numbers of remaining US mercenaries and denizens of the Green Zone as they fight to escape Bagdad (think "Blackhawk Down" movies).
4) A weeping US will fall at the feet of Bush fawning that he had been right about the creeping enemy of Islamic terrorism all the time.
5) A guilt-ridden US will sweep into power the Repugs (or Bush on some "emergency" precept).
It's easy! Remember, you read it here first!
http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/evidence/photos/punchout.html
1. A 767 jet is X inches from wing tip to wing tip.
2. The hole in the wall of the Pentagon is Y inches across.
3. The above photos of the Pentagon C Ring wall taken on 9-11 show that Y is LESS THAN X.
4. Spacial relationships that we learned in kintergarten tells us that the portion of the jet wings, engines, and tail outsde of Y inches would break off and be outside the hole.
5. Photos of the Pentagon taken on 9-11 DO NOT SHOW the portion of the jet wings, engines, and tail over Y inches outside the building.
6. No portion of the jet wings, engines, and tail over Y inches were found between the outside wall and the wall in the picture.
7. Therefore we have IRREFUTABLE PROOF that a 767 jet did not hit the Pentagon, because NOBODY has YET come up with a way to phase a jet or any other solid matter thru a building or any other solid matter.
What is so hard to understand about that?
The government has been at it for longer than we think.[mind control] With control of virtually all the media they are always trying new ways to perfect their message and thus inhance their control of the people.
I am at the point now that I consider most news programs an insult.[especially Sunday morning discussion panels] A bunch of people posing phony strawman questions to one another in an attempt to confuse people and disinform them. They are less than useless.
9/11 opened my eyes to the big lie and there aint no turning back. Remember this whole Bush fiasco got launched from 9/11. One big lie to justify a bunch of othe big lies. 9/11 was an inside job!
I hate being a citizen of the worst terror country in the world. Warner must get his act together and help our troops get out of Iraq. The hell with the mercenaries - let Cheney/bush send them where they will. The mercenaries undermine our troops in that they are fighting (if they are) for money and not honor and country. It is unfortunate that so many of our troops are uneducated grunts that believe they are doing something good. Too maany killed , maimed and heartsick on all sides.
Congress should be arrested and tried for first degree, premeditated murder. They signed on to the wholesale murder and have refused to stop it. For every death, our military plus Iraqi civilians, they need to be held accountable. For those who claim they didn't 'understand' from the facts they were fed, they now know and need stop the carnage immediately. First degee manslaughter doesn't compute. This is premeditated murder and deserves appropriate justice.
Anything they can say to buy more time.
We have to accept that they locked the doors and are driving away leaving us exploited the same way they exploit poor people around the world.
They intended to rob the U.S. the same way they rob any country. Enron employees lost their fortune, airline employees lost their retirement. Why do we think our government will keep it's promises about our retirement?
I expect to work till I drop! I have no illusions of my government honoring Social Security.
Even with our limited information on this war, it is all to evident that our legislators tragically erred when they allowed this unlearned and opportunistic administration to embark on and perpetuate this ill conceived war, which has left thousands dead and permanently maimed while a few of their supporters have reaped unprecedented profits. Those who voted for this arrogant and theocratic president , especially those who voted twice must share blame.
The weapons inspectors were there and we had contained Saddam. The resulting "civil war" and chaos had been predicted by many informed experts, and should have been obvious--but their advice was ignored. One can only imagine the extent of disaster if Saddam had unleashed some biological, chemical, or primitive nuclear weapons on our troops during the invasion.
The establishment of this renegade mercenary force (unprecedented in our republic) is only one example of this administration's efforts to jeopardize or democracy. Given the severity of this threat, the only option left now is for Americans to force congress to seize the war powers from the president, even if this means removal from office; and then pursue a logical conclusion to this horrific misadventure. This would include recognition of the recent advisory commissions recommendations (which were ignored), dismantling the mercenary force even if this means reinstatement of the draft, and curbing and punishing the profiteers.
This administrations opposition to energy conservation and global warming mitigation must be reversed in order to reduce our dependance on their oil--and regain some worldwide trust lost from their disastrous policies and arrogance.
All Too Relevant Quote: How is the World Ruled, & and; how do wars start?---
Diplomats tell lies to journalists & then believe what they read.
(Karl Kraus, Austrian Press,1874-1936)
How warner can sleep at night knowing that many are being killed is beyond me. Why doesn't he speak out and stop this insanity? Because he is a politician not a Statesman.
Hoa binh
more cold political calculations while thousands more are slaughtered.....so sad
cheney was the mastermind of 9-11
jjohnjj June 27th, 2007 8:22 pm
I have to say this…
the "Inside Job" people and the astrologers have something in common. You don't accept the notion of chaos. You have to have an explanation for everything.
I wish the universe was so easily grasped by the human mind, but it's far bigger and way more complex than that.
The world's tallest buidings once looked as strong as the pyramids, but they were actually as delicate and taut as bow strings. When multi-ton aircraft collide with megtons of construction material, weird things are bound to happen.
The human mind has evolved to notice patterns. But in our current state of information-overload, it's easy to see things that aren't there.
Science and reason can explain much - perhaps even most - of our experience of life… but not all of it.
The concept of chaos is accepted by science, why not by you?
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Chaos it was/is. Planned chaos. *Order out of chaos* ring any bells in yer batty brain? Orchestrated chaos writ large by the most vile of life forms.
"things that aren't there" eh? You mean like dem Two (110-storey) Towers that were there one minute, and gone in one free-fall swoop in mere seconds? Nice try bucko. Not!
If I had the time or inclination, I'd offer you some straight up facts regarding that awful day. Alas...too bad about yer luck!
But I must thank you for attempting to enlighten the rest of us with your Chaos 101 theory. Thanks, but even Jeff Goldblum's character did a far better job in one tiny scene in the popular flick Jurassic Park. ;)
Information overload? Nah. More like bullshit overload, from the likes of you!
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sheeple1950,
I think that you're being too kind and too generous to someone who deserves neither. If after all this time, after all the reports, evidence, analyses, videos, books, news, not to mention all the lies that have been exposed over and over, etc, etc. IF there are still those who just don't get it, and still prefer to refer to those of us who do as "conspiracy theorists" or some such, methinks that they are either irreversibly brain damaged or amateur trolls. Just like juh john ;)