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Why We Must Break with the American Crazies
When Gordon Brown returned from his fact-finding tour of Iraq on Monday, he proclaimed the importance of learning from our mistakes but also of looking forward instead of backward. Did this admission hint at a shift in Britain's foreign policy when Mr Brown takes over in ten days' time? To judge by the announcement he made in the next sentence - a restructuring of the British security apparatus to guard against future intelligence failures such as the nonexistent weapons of mass destruction - the answer is "no". Mr Brown's foreign policy will remain as backward-looking and self-deluding as Tony Blair's.
I say this with growing despair, because I too have returned from a fact-finding tour, to America. Viewed from across the Atlantic it is clear that the parochial British obsession with WMD and "sexed-up dossiers" bears no relationship to the catastrophes now unfolding in the Middle East and beyond - not only in Iraq, but also in Gaza, Lebanon and Afghanistan, and soon maybe Syria, Iran and Pakistan. What people are talking about in America is not whether the invasion of Iraq was legally or morally justified but why it went so disastrously wrong and whether the same blundering fanatics will launch another catastrophic military adventure, most likely a bombing campaign against Iran, to distract attention from failure in Iraq. After all, the neoconservative ideologues who still run the Bush Administration have nothing left to lose politically - and in their fevered imaginations they still think they could inflict military defeat on the "Islamofascists" in what they now see as an even greater historical confrontation than the Cold War.
While Mr Brown and the British media are still fretting about who said what to whom about WMD intelligence, the talk in American policy circles is about an article, The Case for Bombing Iran, published two weeks ago in Commentary and The Wall Street Journal and cited approvingly to anyone who cares to listen by officials close to Dick Cheney. Its author, Norman Podhoretz, is an intellectual mentor to the people who took America into Iraq. His self-explanatory message is that Iran today is more dangerous than Hitler's Germany, since it could soon have nuclear weapons - and that Israel's very existence is menaced now as never before.
It is significant that Ehud Olmert, the Israeli Prime Minister, travelled to Washington at about the same time as the article was published to plead with congressmen "not to tie President Bush's hands over Iran". Also that John McCain, the only unequivocally pro-war presidential candidate, endorsed Podhoretz's argument, stating that "the only thing more dangerous than attacking Iran is allowing Iran to get nuclear weapons" - and that Mohamed ElBaradei, the head of the UN nuclear inspectorate, came out with a strikingly undiplomatic public statement, giving warning that "crazies in Washington" now seemed to be planning to repeat the Iraq disaster by attacking Iran.
To their credit, well-informed Americans, some even inside the Bush Administration, are now looking forward instead of backward, debating not what happened five years ago, but how to get out of Iraq as quickly as possible and, even more urgently, how to prevent "the crazies" from starting another war. Instead of obsessively returning to now-irrelevant WMD and intelligence issues, Americans understand that the greatest scandal of the Iraq war was not its alleged justification but its conduct and the lack of preparation for the chaos that the invasion unleashed.
Compare the intelligence failures from which Mr Brown wants to draw his lessons with the facts - confirmed in numerous published memoirs - about this war's irresponsible and incompetent conduct that are now common knowledge in America. For instance, General Anthony Zinni, the chief of US central command, war-gamed Iraq for more than a year before the invasion and every scenario he devised ended in a disaster, requiring many hundreds of thousands of US troops to bring it under control and remain in occupation for many years. Yet none of these scenarios was even considered by President Bush when he made the decision to invade.
Vice-President Cheney viewed the Iraq as a perfect opportunity to prove the "Rumsfeld doctrine" of low-manpower, shock-and-awe aerial warfare, without any need for the US to win allies or for the military to engage in "state-building" tasks.
There is now strong evidence that President Bush didn't even know the difference between Shia and Sunni Muslims when he decided to attack Iraq - and that dissenting opinions were simply blocked by Mr Cheney before they could reach the President's desk.
The State Department had prepared to send hundreds of diplomats and private sector construction experts with Arab-language skills and Middle East experience to help to rebuild Iraq. But less than a month before the war started, all these people were "stood down" on orders from Mr Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld, as their Middle East experience would bias them towards an "Islamist" and defeatist worldview. The peremptory disbandment of the Iraqi Army and the Baath party, now regarded as the worst mistake of the immediate postwar period, was decided at the "highest level" in Washington and was then imposed against the advice of the US military governor Jay Garner, who quickly understood the anarchy that this would unleash.
The list of misjudgments and mistakes could go on and on, but my point should by now be obvious. The question Mr Brown must now ask himself is whether he can still allow himself to remain publicly allied to a US Administration that is so recklessly belligerent in its diplomatic conduct, so demonstrably incompetent in warfare and so irresponsibly dangerous to the peace of the world.
As the anarchy in Iraq goes from bad to worse and Washington's only answer is to expand the circle of its aggression, clichés about the special relationship are no longer sufficient. Mr Brown must decide whether to remain a silent but active partner in this madness, whether to retreat quietly like the Italians, Poles and Spaniards or to develop a third and genuinely courageous option. This is to positively forestall further disasters by breaking publicly with the Bush Administration and trying to develop a genuine European alternative to the suicidal American-led policies, not only in Iraq, but also in Israel, Palestine and Iran.
© Copyright 2007 Times Newspapers Ltd
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Show AllI have watched every debate and based on their answers to any questions related to our war against Iraq I don't see that John McCain is the ONLY pro-war candidate! Every single candidate is pro the Iraq war except Rep. Ron Paul from Texas who is running as a Republican and Sen. Mike Gravel who is a Democrat!!
The rest are so busy trying to stay on the right side of Israel and AIPAC that it makes your head spin!
You say America should be looking forward and not backwards. Well, until the American people understand the WHOLE TRUTH about 9-11 and the lies that led us to the War against Iraq we have no business doing anything except going NOWHERE!
I've been a Democrat my entire life. I even ran for Congress as a Democrat in the early 90's. But the only candidate running for President right now who makes any sense to me on the issue of Iraq is Rep. Ron Paul. One merely need go to his website to watch the highlights of his statements in the last debate. So now I find myself in the uncomfortable position of supporting a REPUBLICAN! for President!
The United States needs to be completely isolated politically at this time. Britain should do the world a favor and stand up against the United States before we end up starting a military conflagration that will be the undoing of us all.
Let's all remember. Israel has nuclear weapons and I believe they wouldn't hesitate to use them. The United States needs to register AIPAC/Israel as a foreign agent and force all it's spying agents out of this country. And candidates running for ANY office in the United States must stop kissing AIPAC's ring.
Britain could play good cop to the American bad cop. Or in terms of this debate, Britain could provide the peace strategy to balance the American war strategy.
If we are trying to win hearts and minds in the Middle East, we won't be successful if we only approach the region with strategies of war. Britain, especially with new leadership, could lead the effort to put a more friendly face on the effort to promote peace and democracy through legitimate governments, fair markets, and healthy environments.
The author states, "What people are talking about in America is not whether the invasion of Iraq was legally or morally justified but why it went so disastrously wrong and whether the same blundering fanatics will launch another catastrophic military adventure, most likely a bombing campaign against Iran, to distract attention from failure in Iraq." This is only partly correct and dovetails with the MSM's blackout of the many impeachment efforts and calls for war crimes prosecution; very much like "Fitting facts around the policy."
As has been stated here in numerous comments, as seen from the White House, the war isn't going bad; the goals of permanent bases and control of Iraq's hydrocarbons are on target; that Iraqis continue to die in large numbers and US soldiers in smaller ones does NOT cause even a momentary pause for the soul-less creatures running the Empire. The author makes no mention that what the "crazies" are doing the British Empire has already done on several past occasions with his newspaper banging the drums in support.
If the British want to make any sort of contribution toward turning the situation around, the place to start is with the arrest and trial of Tony Blair when he leaves the protection of his office.
Norman Podhoretz's daughter is married to Elliot Abrahms of Iran-Contra fame. Now that US opinion is turning in the direction of troop withdrawal from Iraq, the Bush Administration seems to be promoting the covert operations approach that caused so much misery in Central American - El Salvador death squads and Nicaraguan Contras.
These guys should all have been locked up after the Iran-Contra scandal, and it must be remembered that they were also responsible for arming Saddam in the first places, as well as creating the Taliban. Major Iran-Contra figures in positions of power today include:
Elliott Abrams, David Addington, John Bolton, Richard Cheney, Robert M. Gates, Manuchehr Ghorbanifar, Michael Ledeen, John Negroponte, John Poindexter, and Otto Reich.
They should all be quietly transferred to some old folks home where they can't do any more harm.
Dear abbybwood...
Just for the record, Dr. Ron Paul once ran for President as the Libertarian candidate. He switched to Republican so he could actually get elected to something.
To give him his true due... he was one of the few in Congress to make a lot of noise against the invasion BEFORE it happened. On September 10, 2002 he made an impassioned speech on the House Floor asking something like 35 important questios that flew in the face of everything the Bush Administration was trying to sell us on the invasion of Iraq.
Personally, I was a well-recognized Republican TRUE conservative that turned against the Republican Party when I saw up close what George SENIOR had done to get around the Constitution and the law during Reagan's second term and his only term. George SENIOR was just better at covering his tracks.
It was during that time that I saw what can happen when the administration uses CIA dis-information tactics against OUR OWN people.
Junior has only continued some of Daddy's policies, backed by a new crop of pro-Israel "think tanks" like PNAC and The American Enterprise Institute to help him lobby Congress and the public.
Dear ike...
I understand there are already a couple of those "old folks homes" that would be perfect... one in Poland and another one in Romania.
The point I keep coming back to in reading stories like this is the use of the word 'mistakes.'
What makes anyone think this administration's actions have been 'mistakes' and not deliberate, calculated machinations? Is it not possible, indeed given the level of intelligence available to the administration, is it not LIKELY that the administration is doing everything in its power to provoke unrest and war? Quite discordian, in RAW's classic 'Illuminatus!' sense, these actions of theirs. Makes me wonder who's on what side.
I have believed this from 2002 on and continue to encourage everyone to think about this possibility. It is very likely that the neo-cons are not as dumb as they seem; that GW is not 'stupid' at all; that the chessboard, in fact, is being well played.
The biggest problem with Americans is not lack of thinking, but short-term thinking. Switch gears and think long-term and then go over all the 'facts on the ground' and use this discovery process to find out what the consequences will be - as Bush Sr. put it so many years ago, "A New World Order."
lux
"The American Crazies"
The English establishment has now the ability to claim they were mislead into Iraq as they get the "the American Crazies" to take on Iran.
Remember it was the English establishment that got the USA into the Great War.
As the song goes, "everything old is new again."
quoting the article:
"Viewed from across the Atlantic it is clear that the parochial British obsession with WMD and "sexed-up dossiers" bears no relationship to the catastrophes now unfolding in the Middle East and beyond...What people are talking about in America is not whether the invasion of Iraq was legally or morally justified but why it went so disastrously wrong..."
i say kudos to the brits then. how to stop another preemptive war if you don't know how the first one started?
the author may be right, but it's to the shame of the US. would we have no concern about the morality/legality of the iraq invasion if we had gotten the pragmatics right? probably not. would we give a rip about the devastation of iraq if some u.s. soldiers weren't being killed in the process? probably not.
btw, good points RichM.
Good job Anatole Kaletsky! It would be terribly helpful to the well being of the world if the UK would totally stop supporting the USA's terrorist forces, and if they would openly denounce the Bush regime's barbaric behavior.
The truth (about the deceptions that have surrounded the invasion/occupation of Iraq) will set us free (from condoning in any way these horrific crimes against humanity).
Shame on all world leaders who hold hands with the politicians of the world's most terroristic nation, the USA! The crazies must be thrown from power and locked in steel & concrete cages. Eighthundredthousand dead Iraqis is eighthundred thousand too many!
Such barbarism must never be tolerated by any groups of civilized people.
The US has become an outlaw nation that poses a clear and present danger to global security. It must be reigned in via international sanctions. The present leadership should be extradited to the Hague to stand trial for its war crimes.
"The people of England have been led in Mesopotamia into a trap from which it will be hard to escape with dignity and honour. They have been tricked into it by a steady withholding of information... Things have been far worse than we have been told, our administration more bloody and inefficient than the public knows... We are today not far from disaster"
From an article written by T.E. Lawrence (Lawrence of Arabia) published in the London Sunday Times on August 22, 1920
Nathan Andover:
'If we are trying to win hearts and minds in the Middle East, we won't be successful if we only approach the region with strategies of war.'
Way, way too late, Nathan, don't you think? The US and Britain will never ever be trusted in this part of the world. I don't believe that anything good done by these two countries will ever change how the peoples of the Middle East view them. Hearts and minds were lost the on the 19th of March 2003, when the first horrific bomb fell on innocents in Baghdad. And, to go a little further, changed the world's views on both these aggressor nations.
Whether our friends across the pond continue to enable the neocrazies or not is irrelevant. Cheney/Bush have proven time and again that they simply DO NOT GIVE A F**K who or who does not support their insane agenda. The permanent military bases are built, the Disneyland Embassy is the only project running on time, our navy and air force are in position, and both the GOPathologicals and the loyal Bushie Dems all agree: nuke the feriners, secure the oil, protect Israel from the rock throwers as they continue to sow as much hatred as possible, and never, ever hold anyone accountable.
Remember the words of traitor Andrew Card: "we" don't introduce "new products" in the summer - that's for propaganda carpet bombing!
The bunch that are in power both of the U.S. and Britain have been proven wrong time and time again. They don't have any credibility. Everything they say is a lie, they know it and we know it. With a conglomeration of secret agencies, controlled press, complicit congress, foreign influences and a thoroughly corupt administration there isn't much thought for the publics sentiment on any topic. It's like we don't exist anymore.
The debates are phoney strawman debates conducted by compromised journalist. We have to come up with some new ideas on how to get back to a government of and by the people.
If my country were an individual, it would be locked in an asylum and stunned with thorazine daily.
Unfortunately no official penalty will ever attach to the psychopathic Bush and his friends. America has neither the moral intelligence nor the moral courage to hold these people accountable.
You must break with the American crazies because they're a bunch of idiots and criminals with a lot of money and that's a dangerous combination!
"Every single candidate is pro the Iraq war except Rep. Ron Paul from Texas who is running as a Republican and Sen. Mike Gravel who is a Democrat!!"
Did you forget Kucinich?
Blair could and should have called Bush's bluff in 2002. Had Blair allied Britain alongside France, Germany and Russia the lunancy that is Iraq may have been avoided. Blair will take to his grave the responsibility for having given aid and support to the USA policy which he knew to be wrong.
Will Brown cut the umbilical cord binding Britain to America? It is up to the British public to make their wishes known.
When the US stood by and permitted the looting of Iraq's museums and archeological sites while protecting the oil ministry, it was clear they were not interested in preserving Iraqi culture. The Iraqis were deprived of any means to maintain their own civil order when the Ba'ath faction was forced out of power and the US provided no substitute, though according to international law, as an occupying power it was required to do so.
Iraq was systematically reduced to chaos and dependency, except for the oil ministry. Everything else on which civil order depends, electricity, water, sewage, police protection, was deliberately destroyed, leaving the Iraqi people vulnerable and helpless.
the point made by eris, that this was a reasoned strategy and no mistake or incompetence makes sense if one looks at what they do and doesn't take too seriously what they say.
It follows that the sectarian tensions would then be exploited. Shia and Sunni holy sites were desecrated. This divide and conquer technique prevents a unified nationalist resistance from developing any real strength.
After changing its story several times, the US now declares it intends to stay on according to the "South Korean model".
So, the Bush lies are strategic. The plan was to destroy Iraqi society, provoke civil war, and install a puppet regime that could be blamed for the laemtable state of affairs while the US seized control of the oil. The trick is to keep the patient sick enough so that he needs a caretaker to manage his affairs for him.
This plan is working. When sectarian strife seems to lag, bomb some more holy sites. Keep them at each other's throats.
Eventually, the true Iraqi resistance will be exhausted and knuckle under to US will. That is the plan. A few million more may have to die. Domestic political opposition has to be dealt with as well.
But, since 911 it's all gone remarkably well. 911 came off remarkably well, in fact. A brilliant coup followed on by a winning strategy of tension.
But it ain't over till it's over. As RichM suggests, the Brits may be ready to bail because of unrelenting public dissatisfaction. The Kaletsky article establishes that the UK can no longer support the Blair approach and will back off under the new prime minister
"To their credit, well-informed Americans, some even inside the Bush Administration, are now looking forward instead of backward, debating not what happened five years ago, but how to get out of Iraq as quickly as possible and, even more urgently, how to prevent "the crazies" from starting another war. Instead of obsessively returning to now-irrelevant WMD and intelligence issues, Americans understand that the greatest scandal of the Iraq war was not its alleged justification but its conduct and the lack of preparation for the chaos that the invasion unleashed."
This is so wrong on so many levels it is incredible. It is akin to saying that when John Dillinger was robbing banks that we should have ignored his past robberies and looked only forward towards how to prevent him from robbing any more.
It is to say that we should ignore the 3,500 dead Americans, 25,000 more that are wounded and disabled and yet another 26,000 dead and disabled by "accidents". Not to mention 650,000 dead Iraqis along with millions more that have had their lives uprooted and been made refugees. All because of lies and machinations by Bush and co.
Worst of all though is the idea that we can do only one thing at a time. That if we pursue punishment of those who put us in this situation that we are somehow incapable of working towards extracting ourselves from the situation we have been thrust into.
Frankly, the idea put forth in this article sounds like Bush supporter propaganda, helping Bush avoid that which he most fears, being held accountable for once for his actions.
And if we fail to hold Bush accountable, what can we expect from the next group of "crazies" that inhabit the White House? If we are not willing to hold someone accountable for hundreds of thousands of deaths caused directly because of their lies. If we will not hold someone accountable for violating the constitution by blatantly spying on the American public. If we will not hold someone accountable for violating the separation of church and state. If we will not hold someone accountable for violating the separation of powers as delineated in the Constitution. If we will not hold someone accountable for imprisoning and torturing thousands of individuals without charges for years on end. Then I ask you, just what the h*ll will we hold someone accountable for?
Lobo Gris
The top American politicians who have supported the Iraq invasion & occupation in any way together form a global disaster. They just can't see aborting the status quo.
Kucinich & Gore, each have the skill to close the door on all the horror.
Lobo Gris:
You've got it right.
About Ron Paul:
He's right on track with our war policy, but look into his business policy, and you'll see that it's not all roses with Mr. Paul.
Wageslavery would take on a whole new meaning under his administration.
neomunk..... you are already slaves you idiot. there are none so enslaved as they who cannot see their chains.
stop working and you will starve, the earthly laws no longer allow you to graze
stop paying your rates and you are homeless as you dont own your castle, you pay rent to us
the ulluninati
as long as you think like this
we will continue to win
all is going according to plan
we need our "useful idiots"
de-population is the name
and war is the game.
its not about winning
we have already won
you just arent dead yet
let the games begin
the illuminati
Lobo Gris: "Then I ask you, just what the h*ll will we hold someone accountable for?"
Answer: Gerald Ford set the precedent, and the media went all gaa gaa over it, spreading the mollifying horsesh!t that he pardoned Nixon for the good of the country. No President subsequent to that unfortunate incident has felt the need to worry about being held accountable for anything. The Democrats won't even bother trying, as they see it solely as working counter to their ascendency to power in 2008.
It is incumbent upon us to show the Democrats that they've got it backwards: the only impediment to their ascendency is their inaction, particularly when such inaction is so easily attributable to a craven lust for power.
"Answer: Gerald Ford set the precedent, and the media went all gaa gaa over it, spreading the mollifying horsesh!t that he pardoned Nixon for the good of the country. No President subsequent to that unfortunate incident has felt the need to worry about being held accountable for anything. The Democrats won't even bother trying, as they see it solely as working counter to their ascendency to power in 2008."
Not a bad point, but the example is inexact. Nixon was never impeached. He resigned when faced with almost certain impeachment. He therby avoided the humiliation of impeachment that was certain to be his legacy. The good part of what happened is that we got rid of him. The bad part was that he was never held accountable because of the Ford pardon, that let him off the hook in civilian courts. My point being that the purpose of impeachment is to remove an individual from office, as punishment for past misdeeds and to prevent further ones from being committed. Personally I would be satisfied with Bush's resignation under similar circumstances. It would be nice to see him pay in civilian court after his resignation or impeachement for his misdeeds but that probably isn't a realistic expectation in todays world. And in that respect your example is right on the money. It probably isn't even realistic to expect a conviction and removal from office because of impeachment with the narrow margin the Dems have in the Senate. The one thing it would do is to send a strong message that we will not tolerate such behavior from our elected leaders. Even a failed attempt to impeach would put him on notice that his ability to do whatever he wants is not unlimited. (especially if the vote is close) Politically it would serve the Dems well because it would show that the Repubs are willing to protect their own regardless of the evidence of wrongdoing which should sink them politically for a long time. Especially with over half of the country being for impeachment.
"It is incumbent upon us to show the Democrats that they've got it backwards: the only impediment to their ascendency is their inaction, particularly when such inaction is so easily attributable to a craven lust for power."
I agree, but the Dems aren't listening anymore than the Repubs are. About the only thing that will get their attention unfortunately is if about 75 Greens and Libertarians are elected to Congress in 08. Personally if the Dems don't impeach Bush and don't make a serious effort to get us out of Iraq they can count on my never voting for them again. I've had a bellyfull. My campaign donations and volunteer work will go to third party candidates starting in 2008.
To all who long for lasting, revolutionary change, remember Mao's words: "The worse things get, the better they get".
Have you noticed the new talking points being universally broadcasted by every media talking head and politician of either party-
Suddenly the nebulous insurgents we have been at "war" with have morphed into Al Queda. Anyone else notice this attempted transition?
How could anybody in their right mind even CONSIDER voting for ANY republican, no matter where they stand on Iraq. As if Iraq is the only issue that really matters in this disastrous situation created by the Bushies.
Anyway, it is not Bush alone that is 'the rotten apple'. The whole party is ready to be discarded completely and American democracy will be the better for it.
It was the Republican Party's decision to run Bush for a president (One look at his CV and he would have been disqualified in any respectable organization where he would be looking for a job); it was the Party's decision to steal two elections; it was the party's decision to obstruct investigations into the 9-11 disaster; it was the party's decision to start launching war on Iraq and lie about the justifications for it; it was the party's decision to run on dividing issues, promoting hate speech, torture, and trashing international relations.
My view of it is like this. The so-called 'conservative' viewpoint is quite dominant in America, much more so than in other Western countries, but also in America the light of civilization eventually began to shine. Because of sheer demography (Black and hispanic proportion of the population is increasing, more immigrants and other foreigners are coming in), and because of the information exchange in the modern age (Internet, more 'social' globalization), the Republican Party sensed already since the early nineties that it would have to fight to remain relevant in a democratic society or otherwise it would be doomed to play the role of eternal opposition.
The theft of the election in 2000 was not an 'unfortunate event': it was a coup. And the ultimate event in that coup was to allow 19 terrorists to assault America on 9-11, so that they could keep the population in fear: the only known way in a democracy to 'keep the rabble in line.'
The republicans have to run on issues like fear and terrorism, because if people would think rationally they would never vote for Republicans (unless they are super-wealthy, which is by definition a minority). The fear is meant to suppress rational thought, without seeming 'undemocratic'.
The real republican agenda is quite simple:
Loot the treasury, reward your rich friends, trash the public sector, steal people's pensions, medical aid. Give corporations the chance to destroy the environment unhampered, exploit labour, ship jobs overseas if that increases profits. Produce tons of dangerous weapons and sell them to anybody willing to buy. Then make excuses to go to war to increase your profits.
This is really in nobody's interest except in the interest of that small minority who ripped us all off for all those years and who managed to escape the prosecutors for corporate crime, which is rampant in America.
Really, the republican Party is done for and not any candidate, even if they are against the war, can save it and give the party some credibility. Of course there will be people who will give it money, but it is up to you, the American people, now to decide: Should it really count for how much money some individuals are prepared to bribe you, or should you just play by the rules of any decent democracy: how many people are prepared to vote for you, the vote of a beggar on the street being equal to that of a zillionaire ?
I mean: do you really think that a candidate who receives millions of bribes from wealthy people is worth your support ?
Don't get distracted by any candidate that the Republican Party is trying to push forward. It is the Party that deserves the boot, not the candidate.
After you buried the Republican Party, you can start building a real democracy: with the Democrats and the Greens in place you have got some good parties to start with, but more should be welcome, including a so-called 'conservative' party.
I would like our friends here to know what East Asians are saying to each other about this President Bush's "escapade" in Iraq. They say selfishly thus: "Thank Gods for small mercies.
Not long after the Republicans took office it was clear to most discernible observers over there that the Americans were going to ratchet up tensions in East Asia. It could have been an invasion of North Korea or more likely the forcing of Beijing's hand over the Chinese island of Taiwan. The spy plane incident near the Chinese island of Hainan which got the Americans and the Chinese staring eyeball to eyeball was the opening gambit of a grand American strategy in East Asia.
The 911 event and the invasion of Iraq meant that this grand East Asian strategy was put on hold giving the leaders on Capitol Hill the chance for cooler heads and better and less dangerous East Asian strategy to be taken on board.
Another positive perspective on this Iraqi debacle is available to the world if American adventurism, a partial manifestation of Western triumphantism after the collapse of the former USSR and the end of the Cold War, is "ceremoniously" brought to an end by the disaster in Iraq following the invasion. Of course this would not be available if the Americans decide to go into Iran too. This is as far as my speculation would go, no further.
Lobo Gris:
E.X.A.C.T.L.Y.!
we have to wake up to the fact that these "mistakes" are not mistakes and have led to hundreds of thousands of unnecessary loss of lives.
As Eddy Izzard put it in one of his stand up shows: "Isn't it funny that we take serial-killers who have killed 10-20 people as the biggest murderers ever but that at the same time if somebody at the head of a country goes out to kill thousands we just say: "well done indeed"? Just wanted to figure out how many people I need to kill in order to impress people enough so they forget you actually committed murder".
I would argue that Mr Paul and Mr Kucinich are the only rational Americans running for president. They have been the only two polititians to actually make sense about our foreign policy. Sure they dont agree on alot when it comes to the role and scope of our federal government in social factions;however, lets not take away both of their nobel and brave positions opposing the overexpansion of imperial power by BOTH the Republicans AND Democrats. Ironically they are very close friends and I know in the instance of Mr Paul, he has stated many times that were it not for his campaign he would gladly endorse Mr Kucinich for president. What would be the chances of a Paul/Kucinich ticket on the "Rational American" party. I would much rather watch them discuss the domestic use of the HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS of dollars saved from slashing the military budget by 50% than watch another democrat or republican ignore the true issues of Empire building that have been practice for the last 50 years.
Look around, guys. You are surrounded by muslims and are fast becoming a muslim country. You must love sharia law. The money the US is spending may very well keep your backward, left behind country free.
Kaletsky sounds a lot like the British appeasers in the late 1930s who called Churchill "Crazy" for standing up to Hitler.
Winnetou, you better watch out, the Black Helicopters are going to come get you if you believe any more crazy conspiracies...
Remember, Dubya is not the first US President that should be arrested for war crimes. EVERY US President since WWII have committed war crimes, always in the name of self-defense against a tarted-up boogey-man or in the name of spreading democracy. Millions upon millions of people have died, been tortured or raped at the bequest of US Presidents for the past 60 years. Remember Greece in 1947, S. Korea in 1945, Columbia, Cuba, Panama, Guatemala, Chile, Philippines, Iraq, Iran, Nicaragua, San Salvador, Honduras, Argentina, Dominican Republic, Costa Rica, SE Asia, etc. All at one stage had a US-funded, CIA-backed strong man in power, often bloodily hoisted to power over a democratically-elected government.
How soon people forget.
Every time I hear Ron Paul and Kucinich mentioned together, I realise how little most USAns know about political-economic reality.
Yes; at present there is a purely strategic convergence of interests between the Ayn-Randists and leftists regarding the war and US imperialism. But that's all it is.
Ron Paul believes dog-eat-dog capitalism is the highest stage of human development. Kucinich believes that a highly-reigned-in capitalism pursuant to ultimately achieving socialism - is the ultimate path.
Take your pick.
I just wish to thank ELOQUENT contributors to this post who have covered so many angles of the situation with depth and intelligence. Kudos to: Winnetou, Lobo Gris, Trippin, Cruxpuppy, Ricq, and Eris. At least some of us can see through the din and analyze what's going on. (Marvin Gaye being prophetic as he rhapsodied on these very themes 20 years or more ago. I hope he's singing now with the angels.)
Just a quick comment or two. The next time you all need help in case of natural disaster, aggression, famine, security etc, go somewhere else instead of the USA. You all do not want te US around until you need us. I seem to remember the howls of anger that went up when US withdrawal of forces from Western Europe was discussed, along with pleas for help from the US anytime there was and is a major natural disaster. Maybe we should withdraw from the world, and let you stew in your own juices.
This is a nice blog also because I see there are quite some of our conservative friends responding as well, so we are not just preaching to the choir.
To Powerslave I would like to say: If you still think that the republicans are a 'respectable' party, just look at how many have been prosecuted in the last few years for criminal behaviour (Tom deLay, Lewis Scooter Libby and many others) or have been prosecuted before in connection to the Iran-Contra affair (John Negroponte). People like Donald Rumsfeld and Henry Kissinger have to watch out to which countries they travel, because in some they would immediately be prosecuted for war crimes.
This is what the Republican Party has offered the public in the last forty years: the Watergate Scandal, the Iran Contra-Affair, the lies about Iraq, and two so-called 'wars on terrorism' (Under Reagan and under Bush II). Furthermore, they boosted their clients abroad, some of whom became deadly enemies of the U.S.A. afterwards, like Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden, both of them card-carrying members of the Republican Party (well, that is not a conspiracy theory, it is just a joke). Furthermore, Republicans have been telling the most outrageous lies, some of them actually quite funny, like that tomato-ketchup is a vegetable, or that an Island like Grenada can pose a threat to America. It is these lies and fantasies that they have been producing that will prove them completely untrustworthy and they are always trying to cover up for the crimes and stupidities of their predecessors. Really, if you 'conservatives' would like to regain credibility and participate fully in the democratic debate, you really have to come up with something better. A new conservative party is for your own good.
To SFASU73 I would like to say that for many countries, the USA IS the disaster or source of aggression that came by. You are most welcome to stew in your own juices of corruption, nepotism and corporate kickoffs, as long as you leave the rest of the world out of it. But don't come and cry to countries like Venezuela who help you out with cheap oil or ask for aid abroad after a hurricane strikes and your own government fails you.
While I agree that the Bush Administration is eyeing Iran as a new target, I don't think he has the political support, either in Washington or among the voting public to make such a move. Although, as I write this, I realize I truly don't know the extent of his powers to act militarily, with or without congressional approval. Reagan did not have, or ask for, congressional approval when he bombed Tripoli back in the 80s. Presumably, George Bush could do the same to Teheran; it is a chilling thought. How this man ever got elected President, twice, is incomprehensible.
dman: I guess that you would prefer to live under the glorious freedoms provided by either Adolf Hitler or Josef Vissarionich Dzhugashvilli. Maybe the next time Europe needs the US's help to bail itselfout from another dictator, we'll just sit it out.
SFASU73:
Yes of course there are also dictators in other parts of the world and sometimes even without U.S. support. That is not the issue here. This time it is you America that is in dire need and we in the rest of the world are ready to give you moral support in battling your oppressors, but you are just very ungrateful.
The last thing we need is your help. We can do without your failed economic, political and social policies.
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