Our Southern Neighbors; A Canadian Perspective
The United States is losing its closest and best ally. While hostility to the U.S. is rampant throughout the world, this largely related to the Iraq war, surprisingly the reaction of most Canadians, next-door neighbors, is hardly less critical.
Canadians view the current U.S. debacle with both sadness and in some instances, outrage. Once widely admired in this big country, the U.S. is now seen as a leading threat to world peace.
In a recent Time magazine poll asking whether the U.S. was either a "good," or "bad" force, 26 of the 28 countries polled responded negatively. Canada was among them with more than 70 percent of Canadians questioned saying they thought their American neighbors acted illegally and immorally in its invasion of Iraq..
Much of the Canadian resentment is directed at President Bush and his circle of advisers. Canadians share the opinion of many Americans that the invasion was initiated on false premises. Canadians also feel The U.S. pays little attention to Canada and that the U.S. expects its support for American actions to be forthcoming without debate.
It is little known in the U.S. that Canada was one of the first NATO allies to respond to the U.S.-led incursion into Afghanistan and is one of a handful of allies who have played a major role in the containment of the Taliban. 57 Canadians have been killed in the conflict and the Canadian forces operate out of Khandahar, one of the most dangerous areas in that country. Canada's participation followed a UN Security vote which authorized the Afghanistan exercise.
Another, and this an early complaint against Bush, was that the President shortly after 9/11 paid tribute to countries who offered support and sympathy. More than a dozen countries came in for tribute. There was no mention of Canada, and yet Canada to its own peril accepted the arrival of hundreds of overseas air flights as U.S. airports were closed . Towns and cities such as Gander, Newfoundland, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Moncton, New Brunswick housed and fed thousands over a period of four or five days. Further shocked by the tragedy and in sympathy with its neighbors, religious services were carried out in hundreds of Canadian towns and cities. More than 100,000 are estimated to have attended the tribute on Parliament Hill in the capital city of Ottawa.
Yet there was no acknowledgement of Canada's role.
There was some amends two years ago when President Bush flew to Halifax from Ottawa and offered his country's thanks for the role Haligonians and others played in accommodating thousands of airline passengers, mostly Americans, following 9/11. But for many people the tribute came to late, and doubtlessly was inspired by the Ottawa U.S. embassy which had been deluged with complaints.
The invasion of Iraq, and the massive destruction and loss of life that followed, also added to the disenchantment of Canadians. Its then Prime Minister, Jean Chretien, opposed Canada's participation in the Iraq invasion and this won the widespread support of Canadians. Chretien, in a meeting with President Bush, and this just prior to the U.S.-led invasion , urged that the UN inspectors searching for weapons of mass destruction be given six more months in their quest. His request was denied as subsequent events proved.
The Chretien decision to not send troops to Iraq was not unanimously accepted by Canadians at the outset. Many felt that Canada, as a neighbor, particularly given the tragedy of 9/11, should follow the U.S. into the conflict. Further there were those, largely in the business community, who pointed out that the U.S. was the biggest purchaser of Canadian products. A retaliation was feared. But supporters of Chretien's decision, a courageous one in that both American and Canadian interests urged a march to war, pointed out that Canada on the other hand was the biggest purchaser of U.S. made goods in the world and the U.S. purchases were for such essentials to their economy as oil, natural gas, water, lead, zinc, copper, nickel, wood products and other related ingredients. Canada's purchase were largely for domestic products.
Little known to Americans is that Canada, not Saudi Arabia is the largest supplier of oil to the United States. Further, Canada is the largest source of fresh water in the world which makes it vital to the North American water supply.
There are Canadians, listening to the talk of a fence across the Mexican border, who feel that maybe there should be a fence crossing Canada's 4000 mile border. Perhaps this would keep certain American elements out - especially their guns.
Arnie Patterson is a veteran Canadian journalist and broadcaster. A former Principal Press Secretary to Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau, Patterson is a columnist for the Halifax Daily News and a retired radio stations owner.
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Show AllEverybody knows Canada is next on the list after Iran...
Here's my "Canuckian" take:
- the U.S. political system is broken ... it's been taken over by the elitists and corporate lobbies. Republican or Democrat, it makes little difference, as they both are financed by the same master. (A politican may loose an election, but he/she is finished if they loose their funding) A new party, not influenced by elitists, is desperately needed.
- U.S. network television programming and "news" is controlled by corporate and govt. influences. No one dares challenge the system, disagree or share different perspectives. And the public for the most part accepts the information they are given as the gospel truth. Very little analytical or critical thinking. (except on sites like this, of course)
- The biggest problems Americans export to the rest of the world are imperialism, military aggression and mindless consumption. The idea that consuming is positive because it signifies "growth" .... and growth is good for everyone...(not!). Also, that the USA is somehow "above" or better than others in the world community.
I am very concerned about the USA "liberating" Canada's resources in the future. We have the energy, water and other resources that the US will desperately need in the future. The talk of a "Security and Prosperity Partnership" is a con to get more control over Canada's resources. Unfortunately, the lapdog leader we have now (Harper) is taking this bait.
For me, the positive leaders of first world are the northern Europe nations. They are willing to take a hit on their lifestyles to help out the planet. They are interested in the global situation, other cultures and finding solutions to problems ... not creating more. They are not addicted to consumption, nor do their self-image or self-worth depend on the material possessions they own. They value life experiences over owning the latest status symbol.
I have travelled all over the world and enjoyed exchanging ideas with many people. Two notable observations are the lack of American travllers I meet while travelling, and the universal disdain most people have for the USA.
Many progressives I have met find it sad that Americans have lost control of their political system. With the biggest (by far) and most aggressive military, a hegemonic attitude and thirst for other nation's resources to satisfy unsustainalbe consumption levels ... it is a problem for the whole world, not just Americans.
I have much respect for leading American thinkers and progressives, and only hope that their message gets through to the American masses ... for humanity's sake. This is a big challenge, and progressives in the rest of the world are certainly 100% with you. Keep fighting.
I've been to Canada a number of times, roadtripping various trips from Calgary clear to Cape Breton, NS, including PEI. I noted last summer that Walmart now boasts stores on PEI. I bet the Confederation Bridge helped that process out. Canada is a beautiful country, but clearly it's on the path toward Big Box/franchise/distant-ownership (always non-local businesses) global-economic hegemony. Like Australia and the UK, real estate ownership seems to be creeping out of reach (particularly in BC I'm told), probably more people will be forced into larger debt, servitude to the banks, or else perpetual renting. It's the same global behemoth that's gripped the US.
I've known and respected at least two professionals who've emigrated out of the US (one to Canada, one to Norway).
Research around a bit for the term NorthComm, and you'll find an interesting US government effort which seeks to push Posse Comitatus to the limit and basically plan/coordinate security for all of North America. So essentially, a form of martial law could spring up which would effectively render Canadian sovereignty up for grabs.
Now, I wonder what sort of event -- and when it'll occur -- that will trigger this into effect?
PJD, I think you misunderstood 2Cents when (s)he stated that (s)he would welcome "the bright and intelligent americans" across the border as an exclusionary statement, when I think (s)he was merely making a joke. Besides, telling a fellow common dreams user to "go to hell" seemed a little rude and uncalled for. This is a progressive forum, aren't we all here, on common dreams, ON THE SAME SIDE? The "go to hell" remark is parallel to a typical REGRESSIVE nationalist attitude that we progressives should steer clear of… The common (wo)man is on the same side, no matter what country in which they reside. Try to direct your hostilities toward the proper individuals, it will prove more useful. 2Cents, please don't go to hell.
I have many friends in the U.S. and visit them often. I find that very few have much of a world view. When people I meet in the U.S. find out that I live in Mexico 6 mo. per year they invariably ask if I feel safe there. I reply that I only feel unsafe while passing through the U.S. and relax upon my arrival in Mexico. In spite of poverty evident everywhere except main tourist areas, the Mexicans remain friendly, respectful and helpful. In the U.S. I feel the tension among the people who seem be looking for someone to blame for their problems and don't want to hear opinions with which they disagree. They are strongly divided led by their almost 100% right wing news media.
Since the 1970s I too have listened to Radio Canada for real news about events in my country (the USA), in both English and French... but more recently read the CBC news website as RCI has gotten a bit filtered by Fido for diplomacy.
I love my country, but not only do we not have nearly as fine a health care system, our education system (as well as media) are severely lacking by comparison... not because we are inferior but because of Republican 'businessmen' constantly meddling and controlling where they don't belong (education, health care, media) since the first days of the restoration of Reago-Bush-Hoovernomics.
As mentioned above, Canadians, as a rule, are broad-minded, well-informed, well-educated, more cosmopolitan, and a delight to communicate with... with an exceptional Dumb Canuck Hoosier now and then.
Also as mentioned, Canada has routinely stood by US in international affairs, obviously out of a sense of loyalty, even when Washington warhawks were making some very poor decisions.
Canada supported many conscientious objectors during the insidiously evil Vietnam/Indochina war that the Republicans are trying to once again justify.
And yes, our education and health care systems and our economy are crumbling rapidly, with many people impoverished, needy for health care, children poorly educated, mostly because of the Republicans' fanatical obsession with destroying New Deal 'communism' and 'welfare programs' (pronounce with a redneck twang to get the full meaning) and Praise Jesus Free Market Capitalism Made America Grayyyt.
As a listener to international shortwave radio for the last 37 years, and continually observant of international media, Americans need to be proud of our country, but realize that most of our people are Not Well Informed of international realities, and particularly POLITICS, either ours or others, because American media has nearly always been ruthlessly censored. This has been worst under Republican admins of course, but is also true under the less evil Democratic ones.... our media is owned by greed-driven corporations and so. While we set the pace with a Democratic Revolution in 1776, we were passed up by the Social Democratic movements in most other western countries in the mid 19th century while we were being strangled by the Robber Barons (friends of the Bush family for generations now, and returned to power), who lay the grounds for modern Fascism.
I for one love Canada, and respect her greatly. My heart throbs as much when I hear 'O Canada' on Radio Canada as when I hear the Star Spangled Banner.
Also, many of us secretly hope that Canada will use its political and economic clout to counterbalance the Bush Fascist Junta in any way it can, and we don't expect that from Harpo the zombie poodle.
Nor should our unity be through the Republicans' corporate fascist 'NAFTA', but through the retention of our individual national sovereignty and mutual respect and appreciation... May they grow and blossom in years to come.
Thanks, Canada. You are a good influence on US, and many of us love you.
To the person who called themselves a USAan, you just described yourself by calling others profoundly ignorant, arrogant etc.
And that analogy to Poland was dead on. I read something on the internet that in Washington DC the Jefferson Memorial was sinking. Ironic since it was Jefferson who was involved in founding the US and now his country is sinking...
I worked and lived in the US in the 60's and 70's and I hardly recognize it now. Then it was the Civil Rights struggle, another "civil" conflict. It was a hopeful time with men and women of vision who seemed to speak for the aspirations of the whole nation. Can't see any one in politics with any vision that doesn't serve some vested interest of the well heeled or the religious right. In the House of Commons on the eve of WWII some MP asked "Who speaks for England?" I think it is a question for our neighbours to ask "Who speaks for the United States". Someone who will speak to the well being of the commonweal. While in my time there it was not a city on a hill, a knoll maybe, the flames were kept alive, now the candle snuffers are in office and are prevailing. One wants to see our neighbours once more as a free people vigourous in the defense of their constitution.
The writer of this article would almost surely make Pierre Elliot Trudeau proud of him.
He makes outstanding points here.
Oh, and as to Stephen Harper and his Conservatives, They wouldn't even have control the government in almost, if not all the other parliamentary states, as those states require that the side that controls the government, and also is said to form a government, made up as they are of a chief executive and the cabinet and whatever other offiicials the chief executive might appoint, must have the support of at least over half of those in the lower, and in Italy's case, both houses of parliament, and in New Zealand with its unicameral parliament just over half of those in the parliament, but in Canada the party with the top number of seats in the lower and elected house of parliament coming out of the last general election gets to form a government with no absolute requirement for support of over half those in the lower house. If Canada changed that to be at least 50% of those in the lower house, almost surely it might well be a long time before the Conservatives or Tories as they're called would form a government again.
"I find USAns to be profoundly ignorant, arrogant, and facsist."
That's a bunch of bologna.
I love these smug, smug articles. Let's all throw stones at the U.S., as if your nation has absolutely no underbelly. No racism, no classism, no sexism, no crime, no poverty, no corruption? Please.
We're not all flag-waving trogolodytes here. I know a lot of you would like to think that since I suppose it makes you all feel better about yourselves, but it isn't true.
God, there's so much self-righteous nonsense here. Is it getting us anywhere?
Why is it that we can't criticize America without criticizing Americans first? Isn't stereotyping part of the problem here?
Goose - there are no illegal human beings. We Americans have wittingly or not supported genocide, torture & terrorism in Iraq & Palestine (and many other places). Many of us are painfully racist, separatist, arrogant & conceited. We're the world's grossest dummies.
canuckchuck You got it right. Please prepare to welcome a few of us refugees who will likely be seeking political asylum if things keep getting worse here.
zoya :holding the bully's coat? What a perfectly chosen metaphor. Itès just too bad the story of the stoning of Stephen went over most peoplesè heads.Acts,chapter7.
as for the BOYCOTT ,I boycott ALL MSM and when Charlie Rose or Gwen Ifill or Diane Sawyer donèt ask the questions that would make the interviewees contradict themselves for American viewers to hear then I boycott PBS as well.
When Americans start boycotting enmasse CNN,FOX,NYT,LAT and the vitiolic rags of Kristol,Perle,Krauthammer...then you can legitimately tell us to BOYCOTT American products.
Same ol crap;clean up your own house before telling us to do likewise
forget goose;heès rambling. Unguarded or guarded,fenced or unfenced border is a moot point as far as many Canadians look at it. Who in right mind would chance travelling across the border except to gamble in Vegas or Reno;both are big gambles. I live less than a mile from the US border and thatès as close as I eill ever willing get to it.Every loony person that I know who is planning to visit USA is quiried by with the stock questions, Have you read the Militaty Commissions Act É.
As far as south-north migration,in 1970 about 60.000 draught-dodgers found their way to a public and private welcoming party to the north. Today the welcoming committees are in the form of private citizens belonging to various chapters of War Registersè Support Campaigns.As others have said PM Harper is officially against harbouring COs and deserters.However if all the to-be-deployed decided to Underground-Railway-it to Canada they could get lost (pun-intended) and there is not a thing that Dept of Immigration of Canada or USA could do about it.
Oh Kansas kid. There are tons of excellent sane Americans, and I find most of them to be more politically aware and involved than most Canadians (who frankly can be fairly complacent as a lot when it comes to politics). I find my American friends can be quite exciting to talk politics with. And as someone pointed out, Canadians and Americans are certainly more similar than any other 2 countries.
When I'm traveling outside of North America I'm always thrilled to meet my American 'cousins'. I won't even put the near obligatory Canadian flag on my backpack - which of course is really an I-not-an-american flag - because I figure anybody who dislikes me because they just think I'm American is too closed minded to bother with anyway. Also, travel to anywhere outside of North America (other than Paris, what's that about anyway?) is like a filter, that elimates almost all the scared sheep who of course vote with their emotions. Heck, we love you guys!
Enough cheerleading. As for your questions (which I presume were actually intended rhetorically)? I honestly don't know what you can do. I sense fear in many of the people posting that it is already too late and that your republic has started down a road that is cannot turn back from. I truly worry for you, and don't know how you can turn back. I guess your next presidential election is your best chance to start to turn things around. However, if you find yourself faced with a choice between Guliani and say, Clinton. Geez, might be time to vote with your feet!
I for one would be pleased to see a mass exodus of America's best and brightest across the as yet unfenced border (LOL). Don't worry, after a while you will get used to the idea of not worry that you might go bankrupt if you get sick! (cheeky, couldn't help myself).
Truly, all the best to you.
2c
2 cents, thank You for acknowledging that there are sane Americans. To listen to Our politicians rant it must be hard to believe that. There are many of Us Who don't buy into the propaganda spouted by Our present administration and Their toadys in the press. You wish Us luck, and We will need it. The big question is. What can We do to stop this insanity that has spread like a cancer throughout Our Nation? Our elections are rigged, the religious right is hell bent on dumbing down Our Youth, and Our appointed president has never met a foreign Leader He can't ailenate (with the exception of blair and Harper). So where does that leave Us?
Interesting that no one's talking about Quebec -- or the rest of les Canadiens francais scattered throughout this nation. Personally I think Pierre Trudeau knew what he was doing when he brought in his official bilingualism policy. There is a HUGE cultural difference si on parle francais where the gene pool gets a little murkier in English. The only news I listen to is Radio Canada (ie. French) because the language is such an excellent filter against ready-made American-source sound bites.
For Goose with his fence, what makes you think any of us WANT to come to the States?
And Klemer, the only surgery wait is for ELECTIVE surgery. Nobody dies in Canada for want of necessary health care.
Thats what Amerika needs is a couple of fences along its borders like the ones I saw separating East Berlin from the West. There could be a check-point Carlos at the Mexican border and checkpoint Charle at the Canadian border. I invision towers set juxt opposed across a double fence with machine guns having overlapping fields of fire. Dobermans being led by armed police between the two fences. That sure as hell would stop those Senior citizens from cheating the drug companies by buying those drugs of unknown purity in Mexico and Canada. YES
I am a canadian who knows the USA very well...I have made it a hobby to watch the elephant in bed with us very very carefully. Even your professional class is poorly informed and hypersensitive to the charge of disloyalty to their beloved country. I deduce that saluting the flag and rah rah patriotism when you are at school puts an emotional burden on you as an adult. Your public media is muzzled by big corporate ownership and I strongly suspect that both your last elections were rigged!!!! Your opinions are formed by what information you are fed....that is why as a canadian I contribute funds to " Common Dreams". At this website you are not disinformed and I care that your country through ignorance of the facts will be persuaded that what you need is a "strong leader" and even the vestiges of democracy will disappear. I believe that at the beginning of your lunatic foray into Iraq over 70% of your people were bamboozled into thinking it was a good thing....I pretend to myself that canadians are a little more politically savvy.
On a bad day, a wall seems like a good idea -- especially when a jolly band of your crackpot religios crosses the border to proselytize and teach our small fundy community how to politicize. But most Canadians know that no two nations on earth are as alike as Americans and Canadians -- and now even our states are starting to resemble each other, what with Harpo being Bush's new best friend. What we really need is a stronger coalition between progressive Americans and progressive Canadians.
chuck- your comparison to Poland is spot on...exactly how it feels... so 2c, trade or no trade Canada may become that menace...maybe the wall isn't that bad an idea after all(?)
of course it's not as cheap and easy but there's a whole wide world out there to go to market with.....
As an American who spent a least half my childhood in southern Ontario and in my adult life where I was employed by a Montreal multinational.
I know heart and soul that our Canadian neighbors are far more respectful and decent towards one another as well as we yanks. Sure there are some jerks, racists, and even a few ex-nazis.
But one is so much safer on the streets and the good character of the majority of it's citizens rubs off were even some Americans behave with dignity.
canada seems like freakin' utopia compared to the great amerikkkan s--t hole!
such could be said of much of w. europe, too. but let's not kid ourselves: us militarism has preserved a world order since ww2 that canada, europe, australia, & japan have greatly benefited from. the cultural effects of militarism are seen so much more strongly in the US, b/c we have literally been the world's policeman. this partially explains why the US is so backwards culturally compared to other nations.
but don't kid yourself that other western nations haven't greately benefited from US militarism. they find some of our excesses distasteful and boorish, but that's about as far as it goes.
Some people are suggesting that Canada should boycott US products, or threaten trade embargoes.
WE DARE NOT! As unrealistic as it may seem, how long would it take for the sheople (and my southern friends you know there are just too many of them in your country), to be convinced that Canada had become the "menace to the north". How long did it take to vilify France when they spoke up against the invasion of Iraq.
I'm sorry, but we have the genuinely real concern that US troops would come spilling over the border. Think it's crazy? Just remember all that oil, water and lumber, and think of all the profits to be made.
That said, Harper is a lapdog, and I think (hope) he and his party will not gain enough seats in the next election to form the government. If that happens, we may at least raise our voice a little more.
Best of luck to all of our sane American friends. There are so many of you, but just not quite enough. I think that the money in politics, and a ridiculous mainstream media are the greatest barriers to your achieving something that represents democracy (and on this Canada is not perfect either I assure you, but we're improving, and have added public financing to out electoral system).
I hope you can re-implement that "piece of paper", your constitution, before some crazy corporate-servants amend it beyond recognition.
Best wishes
2c
I'm sorry, but as an a reluctant USAn, (the proper term) in my travels about the US, outside of enclaves of progressivism in urban areas, I find USAns to be profoundly ignorant, arrogant, and facsist. In the past week, I traveled from my home territory of Western PA to SF Bay area, California, I heard exactly the same, unsolicited remarks, like from a broken record:
1. Reduce carbon emissions - Send Al Gore into space - for good; and,
2. "Like that NASA guy said: 'who are we so say what the best climate conditions are'" -
The "NASA guy" being, not the climate expert James Hansen, but some NASA PR shill who got, in 30 seconds, more corporate media attention than Hansen's life work in honest science!
Of course, in these conversations, I wanted to say "you mean James Hansen"? but I didn't bother - they almost certainly would have never have heard of him.
At any rate, expressing reactionary political views is ALWAYS acceptable in the USAn workplace, but if one expresses leftist ones than they should expect a trip to the bosses' office for a lecture on getting along with the client.
Where I work, The Department of Labor - Mine Safety and Health Administration, the "client" is implied to be the mining industry - to suggest that our "client" is actually the USAn mine worker is to invite getting fired.
Dear 2cents,
Your wrote:
"I for one would be pleased to see a mass exodus of America's best and brightest across the as yet unfenced border (LOL)."
And, what about the less than best-and-bright???
Go to hell...
Forget goose. I think he's merely playing devil's advocate to get the juices flowing. Cuz nobody could be THAT stupid otherwise.
Colleen: I enjoyed your informed comparisons. Old Guy- you may be right. Canuck Chuck: I know what you mean! AS for GOOSE: One of my all-time favorite films was written by Village Voice columnist (satirist) Jules Pfeiffer. It's entitled, "Little Murders," and is a spoof on how certain citizens of New York City are dealing with a crime wave. The police commissioner, has become paranoid because violence appears to have become so reckless, he cannot (following protocol) find a motive! (Thus cases remain unsolved.) Invited to dinner at Carol Newquest's home, the commissioner is served his favorite drink, hands shaking till he receives it. Carol Newquist intones proudly, "I want a fence around every block! Let neighbors show their ID's! I want my freedom!" Goose, do you not see the irony? Carol Newquest explains that when he heads home from work he thinks to himself, "OKay. Let's see if I can make it to the subway without being mugged. Okay. Let's see if I can get into my building before being knifed." (I am re inventing the dialog, but it's a fairly close approximation.) Is THIS what you would call freedom, sir?
My fellow Canadians, it's a little late to start flag-waving. We have lain down with dogs for too long not to have got up with a bad infestation of fleas. Harpo is indeed Bush's new poodle, a theocon who thinks that Canada is a "second-rate socialist state" (as he once wrote in an American op-ed). Like Mulroney and Martin before him, he dances to the Washington tune, and we doze on as "deep integration" (i.e., Anschluss) moves forward, unremarked and unimpeded. There's just too much delicious money to be made selling oil and water to the Americans. And what is our health care system and our reputation as peacekeepers compared to the honour of holding the bully's coat?
I am an American who is trying to live my life in Canada, so I go back and forth between the two nations.
There is considerable over lap in the way the two peoples, Canadians and Americans, view the world, but there are also differences.
Sometimes with Canadians when discussing something that is controversial, they will spontaneously start to give several points of view and consider them and their relative pros and cons. Americans rarely do that. Americans generally will only present the view they have decided on as correct.
Canadians are interested in setting up a society that will reduce crime. They discuss the role of bullying in the schools and believe that stopping bullies will reduce the numbers of people becoming violent, angry adults. Americans like to punish people. Americans will wait until the crime occurs and then want to punish as severely as possible. I have never heard a Canadian say "Lock them up and throw away the key." Even liberals in the US like to punish people they do not like. Many librerals want to see Paris Hilton in jail and punished. In the rush to punish, the fact that the jail where Paris is being held is severely overcrowded and some women have been sleeping on concrete floors is ignored. But what will hold the attention of Americans is not the injustice of people sleeping on concrete floors but that Hilton should be punished. They like to ridicule Hilton and laugh about her "becoming religious."
Canadians do not have a death penalty. Americans in polls will support a death penalty even when they realize that some innocent people may be convicted.
Canadians accept their own nation's imperfections. When Harpur was lectured about how Canada had denied human rights by Putin (of all people), Harpur said it was true that Canada should do more to provide good human rights. Canada is a leader in the world in providing humen rights.
Many Americans on the other hand when criticized will call the other person a name (usually anti American ) then say the US is the best nation in the world and compare the US with a horrible third world nation. And then might say that the critic should go live in a repressive nation. (Again the love for punishing others that they disagree with)
Canadians celebrate all the different cultures in Canada. They encourage the continuation of a foreign language and culture. Americans want to eliminate foreign languages and want only english spoken. They want a "melting pot" where all Ameicans have a common culture. Americans become angry and resent when a new culture influences American culture. The hispanics coming into the US are largely decent nice people who are trying to make money with a low level job. And yet there is in America considerable anger towards the hispanic culture and its people. Many americans want to build a wall but few think about helping Mexico develop a stronger economy, which might have the effect of stopping people from coming over the border for jobs
The news on tv is different. In Canada it is given with less emotionalism and more cool in its presentation. Also I see on Canadian tv Americans who are critics of the US that do not appear on US tv.
One Canadian news tv show was about how the wealthy nations are taking money from the poorer nations wth their policies. It was a criticism of both Canada and the US. I doubt that would have ever made it to US tv, unless it was a Frontline program.
I know, I know, what you are thinking (if you are American) If you like it so much there, then move. I'm trying to. Canada is probably one of the nicest nations in the world. Americans ought to look at their northern neighbor and learn something from them.
kelmer wrote:
"But since Canada is a minor player in the world both culturally and politically, we should take things in perspective. If we were as large as the US, chances are we would be about as destructive."
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ditto that, what kelmer wrote. people are the same everywhere. everywhere.
peace!
living in Canada today is a lot like I imagine it was living in Poland in the 30's....looking on in horror as your "friendly" neighbour goes Fascist, and not being able to do anything about it...and knowing your next.
In Indiana, our government is trying to force a mult-billion dollar highway down our throats. Some of you who have read my novel will be aware of the situation and my concern with it. It is a highway that cuts through the heart of Indiana's farmland and forests. The NAFTA highway, the call it. Perhaps, if Canada would boycott trade with the US, we could forego that highway, that wastes all our money and destroys our environment. We would be grateful to our neighbors to the North if they would threaten the trade that highway is supposed to serve. It is an insult to Hoosiers, of course, having a NAFTA highway, because NAFTA sucked down the last of our jobs. Now we have to count as industrial jobs, serving gas and fast food to the trucks that drive industrial products THROUGH our state.
As a Canadian it should be pointed out that Canada isnt a saint.
We have gun psychotics too--just not as many.
Our health care system is great, unless you are on a waiting list for surgery.
We didnt mind helping the US and France to f*ck around in Haiti.
Our soldiers can be just as sadistic as any others(Afghanistan).
We commit the biggest annual slaughter of wildlife on the planet--2 week old infant seals--and we use spiked clubs to kill them or skin them alive.
Canada is a major greenhouse polluter--see recent Naomi Kelin article on tar sands of Alberta.
GMOs? Canada's court held a farmer responsible for seeds that were blown onto his property from a Monsanto field.
Obviously this is all government policy--so we shouldnt blame all Canadians for the action of their government.
But since Canada is a minor player in the world both culturally and politically, we should take things in perspective. If we were as large as the US, chances are we would be about as destructive.
As I recall, part of the Bush strategy to get Canada to join the Iraq invasion party was to threaten that U.S. defense contracts would otherwise dry up. Also, subsequent to the invasion Canada was barred from contracts for Iraqi reconstruction.
For such petty arm-twisting on matters of conscience such as war, I don't blame Canadians for wondering what sort of immoral madness has gripped the U.S. in the last 6 years.
I hate to say it, but this madness may get worse before it gets better, to see how the Republicans running for next President are positioning themselves for votes.
dkm is right to be concerned about the fawning poodle-like tendencies of our current PM but pls remember that theirs is a MINORITY government brought to power by a backlash against the scandals of the previous administration....their coaltion and rule are so razor thin that once their true hidden (barely) agenda is revealed there will be another election (the joys of parliamentary government!)and Harper will be gone......as for the BOYCOTT it has been underway for years and IS starting to have some effect (note the falling US dollar which must happen to lure Canadians back across the border on the weekends)More than anger however I think we feel sadness and despair watching what has become of our seemingly helpless cousins led astray by the distractions and criminality of the Bush gang and the American corporatist society.....good luck!
PJD, it was intended to imply the those who wanted to leave because they see things going wrong, have clear heads and are the best and brightest. And, you go the hell too.
Let's start with the "Canada elected Harper" thing. We have a completely different system here, including a "first past the post" prime minister. We don't elect the PM the way you do your president. We elect the House of Commons, and the leader of the party who gets the most votes gets the prize. Harper is a minority leader; that means he didn't get enough votes to carry the house without the assistance of another party or enough individual votes. He's not very popular at the moment, either, except in his home province, Alberta. Harper is, by the way, a Bush wanna-be, a neocon, and that tendency has been made clear by the past few years.
We find most Americans to be great people, if not very aware. I've come to the conclusion that the "swing to the right" is a manufactured phenomenon, partly the media and partly because folks won't bother to educate themselves on their party's stand on things. It's a bit scary, to me; I think the US is sleepwalking towards fascism.
Canadians also, in general, put a great deal of faith in the rule of law, and a lot of us have come to see the US as the bull in the china shop; the biggest bully on the block, the one who will not obey international law or trade pacts.
It might also be time to point out that the face of America that most people see abroad is the face of the US military, and your military has been traditionally badly-behaved in other countries; the list of crimes committed by the US military on Okinawa (yes, you're still there) is a case in point.
There's the unfortunate fact that the US is the only country to have used nuclear weapons and to continue using them, that Agent Orange is still hanging around in southeast Asia. Add the black ops and blundering stupidity in the middle east, and you begin to get the picture.
Finish it up with the nasty bit of info that the US military is the largest single polluter on the entire planet, and you get the true answer to "why do they hate us?"
What is amazing isn't that Canada is upset with the United States. It is that it has been SO LONG in coming. We do treat Canada with disrepsect. We do take Canada for granted. I would like to see Canada BOYCOTT United States products. We are a global threat to peace and the environment. I was hopeful that they G8 meetings would end with an agreement in SPITE of the United States. That excluded the United States and threatened trade embargoes of the US did not go along with new policies to combat global warming. Perhaps Canada can start the ball rolling in the school of isolating the biggest bully on the block. Obviously, we the voting public of the United States lack the power to produce positive change in our own country. Perhaps a boycott would encourage the US to learn to play nice, at home and abroad. The world seems to have a much better picture of the environnment that we do, here. Perhaps trade laws that EXLUDE the United States would help to SPREAD that enlightenment and re-empower the people of the United States. Thanks, Canada.
It is hugely ironic that America would shun or ignore its greatest supporter and supplier. Traditionally, we Canadians have looked up to big brother next door; but the current U.S. administration has purposely squandered the goodwill in the name of divisive political policy. Divide and conquer may have been effective military strategy to defeat Hitler, but it certainly has wreaked havoc in both domestic and foreign policy these last 6 years.
Though this ludicrous Washington pack pursues its devious detour from friendship, I would hope that the post 2008 election era would mark a return to a mutually beneficial relationship. May sanity prevail in a world that has been consigned to the nether regions of 'fear, ignorance and greed' as George and his puppeteers bulldoze the planet.
I would be more hopeful about Canadians in general if their Prime Minister wasn't moving into poodle mode ala Tony Blair. After all, they elected him so what exactly does it mean that polls show them to be against the war in Iraq?
As an American I have hoped for a border fence between us and Canada for years. I don't think that any unprotected border between should be allowed to remain un-fortified. I don't want anyone being able to come and go across a border without going through a checkpoint of somesort. I want to know who comes in and I want to keep illegals out, and yes, there are Canadian illegals here and I would like them to go home as well as the Irish illegals and Mexican illegals and anyone else illegal.
Hopefully this new Canadian perception of the US can help us control the flow of peoples across the border.
Unfortunately the prospect of seeking refuge in Canada is getting tougher by the day.Either, they dont want our kind OR the US Govt is tightening its grip.Im betting on the latter.......
As a recent immigrant to Canada, I can only say that Colleen's comments were spot-on. I feel so privileged to be allowed to live here for a while. But I give it 20 years, tops, before becoming One With The Borg.
Jan Steinman
Canada is what the US says it is. Lets hope the Canadians can hold their values
2cents
I may not be the best and the brightest but I have deep affection for Canada. And you are right. Americans live in a constant tension about health care and also personal safety issues. There is a sense of desperation in the US that may be leading to the rudeness you experienced. Maybe that fear is why Americans have chosen not to know. They feel helpless in making any change and can lose what they have very easily with an illness or an economic set back. The government is protecting the corporations and not the people. Now that corportions are burdened with paying heavier health costs for their employees, there is an interest in the government providing health care.
Tommy Douglas was a great man.
nellemason
It may be the Canadian policy of encouraging people to retain their cultural identities and languages can be attributed to the French Canadian influence and the basic bi-lingualism in Canada. And I agree that it might well have been the French Canadian influence that helped Canada stay out of the mess in Iraq. Canadians are more aware of other nations than the average American is.
Most American's think our income taxes pay for services we get from the government, but the truth is American's are paying the affluent who are robbing and raping American's and the world. http://zfacts.com/p/461.html
We need to stop this from continueing. I believe there is a a non-violent answer. Please take the time to watch and research what is being said here and pass it along. I believe it is our only non-violent hope.
http://FromFreedomToFascism.com
As a Canadian, one of the problems I feel with our obsession with how we inter-act, are perceived and ultimately try to differentiate ourselves by & from our U.S. neighbors, is that we all too often ignore the many excellent & progressive policies and social measures that are being pursued elsewhere in the world.
That we are joined geographically & economically with our neighbors to the South is a fact, that we need to be joined and thus compared intellectually & culturally as well, is a disservice to us all.
I just checked the link and it didn't work. I forget to add the www.
http://www.freedomtofascism.com/
Please spread the word!