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The Day After We Strike Iran
Let us suppose that the Bush-Cheney administration answers the neocons' prayer and does indeed bomb Iran sometime soon. The plan apparently involves more than the destruction of nuclear facilities, replicating Israel's attack on Iraq's Osirak reactor in 1981. (That attack, by the way was condemned by the whole world, including a furious President Ronald Reagan). It includes an all-out assault on the Iranian political and religious leadership. Government buildings and officials' residences will be targeted, guaranteeing collateral damage.
Since Iran is a highly complex society, and its government widely unpopular, there may well be some local support for a "shock and awe" campaign. We know that the administration has cultivated ties with the Mujahadeen Khalq (even though they remain on the State Department's terrorist list) and the Pakistan-based Balochi separatist group Jundallah (the Party of God). These among other organizations will get their marching orders amid the "creative chaos" produced by the attack. There can be no large deployment of U.S. troops in Iran, unless they evacuate from Afghanistan and Iraq which is unlikely.
I doubt that administration plans for the construction of a post-attack Iranian polity are any more sophisticated than their plans for post-Taliban Afghanistan or occupied Iraq. Some have suggested that the neocons' goal is actually to plunge the Muslim Middle East into prolonged pandemonium, insuring that all foes of Israel are off-balance and terrorized by the might of Israel's protector for generations to come. "Neocons," writes Paul Craig Roberts, "have convinced themselves that nuking Iran will show the Muslim world that Muslims have no alternative to submitting to the will of the US government."
They are "total Islamophobes" who believe that "Islam must be deracinated and the religion destroyed. . ." Others note that Cheney is obsessed with the imagined threat of a rising China and the need to establish permanent U.S. bases in Central and Southwest Asia to "contain" the world's most populous nation. The desire to control the flow of oil, the urge to check China, the passionate drive to destroy Israel's enemies (alongside this neocon Islamophobia) are all reflected in U.S. foreign policy since 9-11.
Surely a lot of Iranians know this. And they can look over their northern border into Afghanistan and their western border into Iraq and see what disaster U.S. imperialism has wrought in these neighboring countries. Bush calls them "democracies" and boasts of having gifted them with the universally applicable model pioneered by America's founding fathers. But I'd imagine Iranians paying attention see in Afghanistan a regime dominated by warlords more reactionary than their own mullahs, resisted by an equally reactionary resurgent Taliban. In Iraq they find an emerging regime under the strong influence of conservative Shiite Muslim clerics in an unusual alliance with U.S. occupation forces. Many young Iranians chafing under Islamic law might consider this a step backwards for Iraq, which under the despised Saddam had at least been a secular society. The Iraqi puppet government is of course far weaker than the one in Tehran, and humiliatingly dependent upon the invaders who cannot provide a modicum of security while they demand oil concessions.
So I would think that the Iranian survivors of this planned criminal assault would not appreciate it. Rather they will resent it deeply, especially if it produces numerous civilian casualties. As Roberts suggests, the neocons believe that the Iranian people and Muslims around the world will be so terrified that they will capitulate to all U.S. demands and the U.S. will be better able to attain its geopolitical objectives without the use of unacceptable numbers of ground troops. I have to wonder about this.
Perhaps the neocons suppose that there will be no resistance from a shocked and awed Iranian population as America's Iranian allies---a mix of quasi-left guerrillas, terrorist separatists, monarchists and exiles---create a provisional government. They may underestimate the social base of the present Iranian government, the sincerity of popular opposition to U.S. policy in the world, the depth of Iranian nationalism and national pride at the accomplishments of the nuclear power program. They probably underestimate the outrage an attack will cause, in Iran and everywhere.
Perhaps they overestimate the power of their weapons. The neocons know that nuclear weapons (even dire predictions about nuclear attack) produce fear---and that frightened people may voluntarily give up much of their freedom. They saw that happen here in the USA between 9-11 and the attack on Iraq. All that talk by Bush, Cheney and Rice about mushroom clouds over New York City got the masses scared, got them to support a war. The neocons may assume that this frightening thing they hold in their hand---that they can deliver (intoning with John McCain, "Bomb bomb bomb Iran") as soon as Bush (after prayerful deliberation) gives his okay---can fix the Middle East. They may figure that a country once nuked will submit to any aftermath.
Recall how they predicted in 2002 that Iraqis would respond to occupation the same way the Japanese did from 1945 to 1952. How wrong they were. Maybe the attack-planners think that the Iranians will, after this new, planned Hiroshima, unconditionally surrender to the United States. I doubt that. Just as they appear to have overestimated the power of U.S. troops on the battlefield in Iraq, Cheney and his neocons may miscalculate the power of their most vicious weapons to obtain their goals. Mao often referred to nuclear weapons (first those of the U.S. imperialists, then the Soviet ones as well) as "a paper tiger." The imperialists might find that they've sent a paper tiger to arouse an Iranian griffin. (That's a lion with an eagle's head and wings, something not supposed to happen.)
Meanwhile, reaction in Iraq to reports of a U.S. strike on Iran will hardly be positive. Iraqi Shiites (60% of the population) will naturally identify with victimized Shiite Iran and hate the occupiers more, without necessarily fearing them more. If you really want to do something that will fuel the Shiites' historical sense of victimization, and unite Shiites from Lebanon to Oman and beyond, the best thing you could do is bomb Iran---not sparing the holy sites. But Iraq's Sunnis won't be happy either. Whatever their feelings about Iran, they'll feel no joy in the expansion of U.S. operations in the Muslim world. The entire world will respond with revulsion. From Europe to Japan there will be much discussion about how to best distance oneself and protect oneself from a USA gone nuts.
But what will happen here in the U.S. after the Iran attack? How will we react? If it happens, it won't be announced the way the invasion of Iraq was. There will be more and more unattributed reports of Iranian arms deliveries to unlikely recipients like the Taliban or Sunni "insurgents" in Iraq. More alarmist reports on Iran's nuclear progress. More propaganda about Iran's intention to nuke Israel and produce a second Holocaust. More indignant statements about Iran's defiance of UNSC resolutions. But the timing might come as a surprise.
As the attack gets underway some Democratic leaders in Congress will indicate support for the move, based on the doctored intelligence reports they've read, or have had on their desk and possibly perused. Some will withhold comment or maybe even object to the action. I have the feeling both timidity and stupidity will initially prevail. There is little precedent for U.S. politicians condemning a U.S. attack on a country just after it's occurred.
I would expect those on the contact-lists of the various antiwar coalitions would be out on the streets in force immediately after the (first) attack, shouting "SHAME" and making it clear to the world that Bush doesn't represent the American people. I'd expect that large numbers of people would gather to demand that the Congress move immediately to impeach Bush and Cheney. I'd hope that the Democrats in Congress would find it in their interest to do so, but if Nancy Pelosi becomes president, will there be any great change? On Iran, Pelosi has deferred to AIPAC.
The antiwar movement has become disillusioned with the Democrats, and even with a mercilessly self-perpetuating system that uses its two parties to convey the illusion that the political status quo is the product of competition. Still, it sees no alternative to a mix of letter-writing, lobbying, voting, rallying, marching, exercising constitutional rights, operating within the paradigm. But Cindy Sheehan officially dropped out of the movement concluding that the "paradigm. . . is now, I am afraid, carved in immovable, unbendable and rigidly mendacious marble."
She is right. The neocons want us to "think outside the box." Maybe we should one-up them and think outside the system. The "way our system works," writes Andrew J. Bacevich, "negates democracy, rendering free speech little more than a means of recording dissent." In it, "Money maintains the Republican/Democratic duopoly of trivialized politics." What can the honest dissenter do when informed that the U.S. ("your") government has committed a spectacular war crime? When can you do when you learn that, once again--- without your permission---the U.S. has attacked a sovereign country posing no real threat to you? Generating enormous hatred for America throughout the world? What do we do the day after? I would just like to pose the question for discussion as we approach that moment.
Gary Leupp is Professor of History at Tufts University. He can be reached at: gleupp@granite.tufts.edu
© 2007 CounterPunch



38 Comments so far
Show AllThankyou SiouxRose for that input, and your sterling efforts to bring a very important (and oft overlooked) facet of existence to the discussion.
Aymon, -you raise many important points, -thankyou also for your sincere input, (but do I sense an air of intolerance for others here at Common-Dreams?) -if so, that seems a shame.
If one were to pluck at random group of people off a main street, you will likely find therein a mixture of personalities.
The same follows here at C-D: - one person is of a scientific bent, another more artistically inclined, a second is a devotee, another an agnostic, the next is a bit of a joker, and his neighbor a very serious / intense person... (and etc)
We need to learn tolerance, and to lovingly celebrate our individual differences, and allow that each being must be allowed to express themselves in the way they best feel willing to contribute. We each have our own gifts which we bring to this world.
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Siouxrose: a propos the main article, you raised an important point when speaking of what we humans choose to envision and focus on. There is an esoteric maxim which says, "Energy follows thought" and that phrase highlights that we effectively energise and empower that which we focus upon.
Ergo: if we spend all our time *over*-focussed on the dark machinations of BuSh Co, we just energise _them_, ~ but are not then energising _our own_ vibrant counter-force of much more *positive* visions / actions / aims.
You spoke of Armageddon, and I have often read peoples' responses to that dire scenario, which amount to "Arm-a-geddon-out-of-here!" -a reaction which woefullly lacks the needed courage to stand up and fight for that which is GOOD, and thence turn this world around, (away from the direction dark menaces like BuSh, Bliar and bin Laden are aiming for).
Though I often joke around, I am also committed to fight darkness to my very last breath, ~ (and then still some more!) :)
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Evelyn Smith writes (to Aymon), "Thank you for the demoralizing lesson" -from which I deduce she was not uplifted or inspired upon reading that post.
I feel it's really important we -(the beautiful and international!) collective of progressives have both to analyse and understand current events, but also that we not lose track of our right to be happy and energised as we seek to 'change lead into gold / water into wine' etc.
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We here at Common Dreams, are, actually very *spiritual* people!!
Yes, -even you agno-atheist friends hereabouts! ;)
The word SPIRIT at root means, " soul, breath, vigor and courage" and I think we (variously) exhibit those qualities, ~ (and are all the better for it!) :)
And we are *INSPIRED !!* -as that word at root means, "ignited, to blow into", [and a co- meaning is, "under the immediate influence of God or a god"] We are ignited, we are not dead, we act and have alive / enlivened minds and hearts...
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Personally I feel it's a bit of a mistake to fall into too much of the 'Jeremiah' doom-saying modus vivendi / operandi.
I believe that by inspiring each other to bigger and better things, we will achieve far more in the long run, and our end results will be more lighted and wholesome.
Too much doomsaying also tends to provoke fear and anger in people.
Does our planet NEED yet more anger, hostility and cowed fear? I personally think not, so my own approach is to try to heartily swim (intellectually, spiritually and emotionally) as best I can, and at the same time try to help those I work with / swim with, -to likewise stay afloat and buoyant.
Let those dinosaur dark ones sink without trace, let them *Expire* even as we *inspire* ~as we progressives first envision, ~and then make actual, the type of world we know could, should, and soon must be...
Fraternally,
A co-worker.
Message to Americans, wake up, will you? You aren't the only people on our planet - you do not own it. Other people and cultures feel the right to exist or enjoy its resources. Are you so stupid to think, with all the shenanigans going on by this born-again, ex-drunk, power mad, fortunate son, that you are right?
We, in the West, if not the rest of the world, are too educated nowadays to put up with this situation. America will eventually be isolated and destroyed, if you don't take us all out with you, first. It's lose-lose for you (and the rest of us) if you continue this path.
If you think you can take over Canada for our resources, I will be the first to join up and resist. And I am not the only one. You will not walk in here without resistance. If the rest of the world cannot live in peace because of your actions, then you will not live unmolested either. You are too multi-cultural to do such things. It will set off your own destruction from within and without. TPTB are playing an insidious end-game for the planet here. It's the ultimate test of your "god philosophy", that he'll take care of his chosen people. What crap! Its simply tribal in nature and all too human as well, the worst parts. I appeal to your sane parts - you must rise up and dump these evil-doing leaders before it's too late.
Stop BEFORE.
I hesitate to say this, but you're pretty much left with mob justice. March in numbers unheard of into the halls where your most powerful live and act and cast them down by force. Send a clear message that you the people have deemed them unfit to continue. Monsters you must be, for monsters they have become.
In great hope that something better may be built on what we all will lose.
Best regards.
Stinger.
By attacking Iran the United States will become an outlaw nation in the eyes of the world. On that day the Federal government will also become an outlaw government domestically; Bush will declare Martial Law, ban protests and attempt to become a dictator.
The Neocons haven't spent six years gathering vast amounts of power to the presidency to hand the office over to a democrat.
The attack on Iran will also serve as an economic scapegoat. The economic policies of the Neocons have destroyed the middle class and working poor. Deregulation of the economy has lead to some very questionable accounting practices in corporate America, the mortgage industry and the housing bubble are ready to implode; the resulting depression will now be blamed on the war with Iran instead of the republicans.
George W. Bush is a junkie, in the 70's he was high on coke and booze, in the 80's he was a hard drinker then dried out for a while. Now he's back on the sauce but this time he's also hooked on power as well. He's not going to go through withdrawal voluntarily.
(I saw a great photoshopped image of Bush with a glass of what appeared to be Scotch on the cover of one of the tabloids yesterday, Wayne Madsen has been reporting for several months that Bush is drinking again)
Vote for John Edwards. Of the leading candidates, he is the least bought-in to the military-industrial (media) complex which is now raging on neoconroids. Forgive him his $10,000 haircut, million square foot megamansion, and a future affair or two, and hope that he remains sufficiently in touch with a more humble America to bring us some desperately needed leadership.
jon
Connecting the dots: from human behaviors to ecosystem decline
http://StudentsForTheEarth.org
Let's see, the day after we strike Iran...how about this: the Persian Gulf will close, gas prices will jump to between six and eight bucks a gallon in the U.S., and climbing, markets will plunge, and EVERYBODY in the U.S. will at last be affected by the neocon scheme to rationalize the Middle East via the American Military. It could be the death knell for these true believers, if not for our economy...very, VERY stupid thing to do. So watch for it on FOX news...
Aside from all the other flaws in the neocons' posturings, they have missed a key fact.
People in the Middle East aren't afraid of us. Oh they may be afraid of what we may do, because they realize we're being run by crazies and loons and psychopaths, but once the nutcases do attack, those people will strike back. But I do believe I noticed that the Iraqis didn't bow down to the U.S. I do believe I noticed they are killing as many American troops as they can. And I do believe nobody in the political or military establishment will admit that the Iraqis will continue to kill Americans as long as we're there, that they will never stop, so any talk of a fifty year presence of Americans in Iraq is coming from people who should be locked in padded rooms. And soon.
The day after we will wave flags on our pickup trucks, work in higher paying jobs with government contractors, watch more television sports, drive bigger vehicles, spy on our neighbors, shun Muslims, put more people in jail, and many will think, "There's nothing I can do".
We will be told, "Right or wrong, we must remain strong or they will attack our homes and schools...".
Then the war criminals will attack Syria, Lebanon, and other Middle East oil countries as we become more accustomed to the ways of the new empire. Fear will be everywhere. We will tell our children, "When in Rome do as the Romans do".
In short, good Americans will do nothing.
Reinsate the draft and the protesters will be on the street in vast numbers. They will be motivated by their survival instinct. I remember what happened during Vietnam -- as soon as the draft was supended, the protests shrank to almost nothing.
That's too terrible to contemplate.
How about writing something titled:
"The Day that Capital Hill, the White House and the Pentagon Were suddenly reduced to rubble, and good people all over the world began dancing in the streets"
Al Gore defends his acceptance of the Supreme Court's decision to appoint Bush to the White House by citing his respect for the rule of law. Resisting the Supremes' decision would mean "violent revolution," he says. Well, some kind of revolution is presently being called for, since the rule of law in the US appears to support BushCo. I'd settle for civil disobedience.
First, I think it possible that if the US attacks Iran, particularly with nuclear weapons, that this at last would arouse the UN to effective action, as the rest of the Security Council announces that the US is no longer a member of it, its veto impotent, and worldwide anti-US sanctions begin.
I do question whether the attack could happen without a figleaf. The figleaf will be more than the current media hype--it will be a black flag operation, an attack in a US city blamed on Iran. There may be less credibility than before but the ruse will probably still work.
In any case, I think there is a tactic that the peace movement can use if this occurs. Yes, we should drop what we're doing to surround the US capitol and demand the immediate impeachment of Bush and Cheney, and of Pelosi if she blocks it. But that won't change anything, and will be under-reported--and likely the "attack" will be used as a justification for mass arrests or even shootings of protesters. The more effective move comes next--everyone who can't afford to drop their jobs and families and classes to camp in DC indefinitely, everyone too distant or too broke or too chicken to come in the first place, joins a general strike the Monday after the attack. No work, no classes, and most importantly no spending of money. On anything. Back to work Tuesday and nothing has changed, but the following Monday the strike is resumed, and this time Tuesday is included. This time it has spread. If the next week rolls around with no change it will be a three-day strike--but i think that might not be necessary.
"The strike will receive "coverage" (meaning the same kinds of lies that the Iraq "coverage" consists of); otherwise, life here will continue without missing a beat. Professional sporting events will continue as scheduled, CNN will continue to discuss Paris Hilton and Anna Nicole's baby; and the stock market will go UP. The "debates" of both parties will continue, with all Republicans (but Ron Paul) supporting the strike against Iran, and all Democrats (except Kucinich & Gravel) criticizing it in mealy-mouthed words, but failing to oppose it in deeds."
RichM...you must be a professional fortune teller. I expect all you have predicted will take place. This country of "ours" has been reduced to only the most shallow of subjects being newsworthy. The sheeple bleat as told. American Idol is vastly more important than anything "our" government could do.
They teach in our schools that being an American is something to be proud of...we are the best because we are "free." We have a representative government that is of the people and by the people. Oh really? Since when have any but the wealthiest of people and corporations been represented by "our" government? Is this what our founding fathers had in mind when they lost their lives fighting the British. No. They would be ashamed and rightly so. All current candidates with the exception of the noted Rep. Ron Paul, Dennis Kucinich and Mike Gravel support the same thing, which is to talk the loudest about violating the very principles that this country is based on. Per internet polls, Ron Paul seems to be doing very well. The internet is our ONLY true and free media at present. As such, it seems to be the only tool with which those of us who truly care about the future of the country have to use to perpetuate it. I suggest we do just that, along with the right to use a write in ballot if needed. I truly have no idea as to how many rely on the internet as a means of obtaining news or more importantly, to spread ideas and gather those of similar thought together to actually make a difference. Surely, there are enough people who do rely on the internet to, with the help of those close to them (friends and family)included into the group, make change. As such, may I make a suggestion. It would seem that of the "other" candidates, Ron Paul is the most popular. This man will make a change. He will do as he says he will do, his past voting record is proof that he will. May I suggest that everybody who desires change get those closest to them and vote for Ron Pau in 2008. He may not be exactly the person you want in office, but he will support change if elected. Mr. Paul is a staunch constitutionalist. As such, if he were to be elected, the country would be run as the founding fathers had intended. Then, there would be room for more change in the future. We would have our "foot in the door" so to speak. At the same time, we would be sending a non-violent message to everyone else in our government, the monied corporations, and most importantly to the rest of the world that this is OUR government, the people's government and we intend for it to stay that way. The criminals of present could be prosecuted, and we would be well on our way to a better future, for both us and the rest of the world.
I cannot say that I support everything Mr. Paul stands for, but none of the candidates have EVERY quality I would like to see in a candidate. I don't have my own personal candidate nor does anyone else. What we need is change, and we need it now. There may nt be another chance. Any takers?
Maybe part of the neocrazy agenda is, in fact, creating as much American "hatred" as possible (as Cheney says: it's better to be feared than loved." Then, the "need" for another "new Pearl Harbor" will be eliminated. Instead, as the Mid East devolves into all out anarchy, they'll play the "super patriot" card, quashing most dissent under a roar of "victory against the Islamofascists or we will all die!!!"
And their reasoning: they "hate" us because we're "good." It had nothing to do with the whole killing millions of innocents thing...
The day after the U.S. strikes Iran i will cry.because then it will have been the final nail driven into the coffin of a dying democratic America and the birth of a dictatorial,mad,power drunk ,regime. However with that being said there is still time for you the American people to stand up and unite and let it be made perfectly clear to the Bush regime that such an action will NOT be allowed nor tollerated by the public.As a Canadian it is refreshing to see that the America public is finally waking up to the fact that they have been decievd by their government and are rising up against it i just hope something can be done before your leaders lead us all into the nuclear holocaust.
p.s. to the editors of this site i would very much love to write a viewpoint or something for you my email is pabs666@hotmail.com
Brings a tear to my eye just thinking about it. I will be out on the streets the next day, peaceful but probably thrown in jail. Better than being complicitly silent.
Let us not get caught up with talk of the founding fathers. I agree they would be upset, but mostly because of near universal suffrage more than anything else. As for the idea of empire building and acts of aggression, those began not too long after independence.
Peace, Love, and Hope that this is forever a hypothetical.
Let me offer another alternative. I read commondreams daily (along with Harper's, Truthout. and several environmental publications) so I am not sleep walking here. But there is an important metaphysical aspect that we cannot afford to ignore. It is the power of MIND. WHEN we bring our intelligence, and commondreams IS an intelligent virtual community, into a consensus that this WILL happen, we are lending energy to a horrendous fate for an innocent people. It is important to use our MINDS and actions now to help create a barrier to this seeming inevitibility. I am going to cite a source that perhaps no one on this site has read. It is a series of books that were instrumental to my spiritual awakening: The Wisdom and Teachings of the Masters of the Far East. (Although out of print, I suspect interested parties can obtain old copies via Amazon) A number of British academics made a pilgrimage to India and certain legendary Asian sites and took copious diary-like notes. Their goal was to REFUTE claims they'd heard in England about supposed powers wielded by gurus and Indian holy men. At one point the group was crossing the Gobi desert, an area with NO organized government. They came upon a group of desert bedoins who lived in their own tribal arrangement. The Brits were invited to dinner, and their guides were able to act as translators. Something one Brit said (and no one is more intellectually arrogant, than a well-educated Brit) insulted the host. He got up and drew his sword and would have killed the guy right there. (I mean they were hundreds of miles from any "authority" and this honcho WAS the authority in that little community, which mostly profited like a spider waiting in the sand, for any unfortunate enough creature to pass there.) In any case, (call it fiction if you like. I have seen what others would call miracles and I know such events occur) out of no where, something akin to the spirit of Mohammed manifested as did that of Jesus. And these two spirit-entities had a conversation that was so breath taking as to absolutely shift the paradigm of the observers' thoughts. The spirits essentially related that if THEY, the founders of these religious sects, could get along, so then should their followers. I mean I wish Jesus WOULD show up. Imagine what he'd say to all those who use HIS name to further policies of utter genocide. I am not expecting this event; but the metaphysical point I'd like to relate is that we have to ALLOW for an epiphany. We have to put our FAITH on the side of things that may impede so horrific an outcome as yet another bombing raid on another civilized people TO occur at all. Let us not commisserate on HOW it will happen. Let's put NO energy into that potential reality. If enough people practiced forgiveness RIGHT now, and I mean wherever they stand, the HATE that's fueling this Middle East inferno could slowly dissipate. What was called science fiction 100 years ago IS modern technology today. Let's NOT limit the possibilities! LIGHT a candle on JUNE 22, and PRAY for, SEE peace...
I am so terrified that a strike in Iran will happen and we'll have martial law here and chaos from Beirut to Karachi. I was talking to a friend about this over lunch today who thought the same thing. Now I see we aren't the only ones with this paranoia
A year ago I saw Shirin Ebadi, the Iranian women's rights activist and nobel laureate speak here in DC. She was amazing and I admire her so much in fighting the repressive and backwards regime in Iran. A regime which the majority of Iranian youth do not want to live under. However, she said this fight against the regime is that of the Iranian people and not outsiders. She said that if outsiders fight the regime it will cause all the Iranians to come together in support of the regime if they feel their country is under seige. She's right as this happened in Iraq. Iraqis who hated and suffered under Sadaam were horrified by his execution and talked of prefering his authoritarian dictatorship because things were stable vs the current chaos.
I can't type anymore because I have become so cynical for the future. We have a year and a half left and I hope to God that we survive it. I also fear the end of the internet as we know it. Its such a precious gift the freedom we have on the internet.
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RE: A SCENARIO THAT CREEPED ME OUT
There is a terrifying but you can't look away quality to Leupp's scenario. It is one thing for creepy sociopath neocon's to spawn their disgusting fantasies of murder and domination; it is another when a progressive historian thinks it through. Using the simple future tense rather than the conditional is alarming.
The scenario will resonate most deeply with progressives - for it feeds into the worst fears of many progressives about what the U.S. either is or is on the verge of becoming, and of progressives' powerlessness to stop it.
Leupp has made it credible - but a part of the credibility is based on the peculiar position of progressives in this country. I don't think we're there yet. Quite.
Why not? Because of a right wing calculation - by those w/a greater reality principle than the neocon's - that it would be too risky, introduce too many 'indeterminates;' that, rather than consolidating their present near-hegemony, it would jeopardize it.
I hope I'm right.
dcbeltway, The Iraqis, the Iranians, anyone...they are no different than we would be if we were to be attacked by an outside government. They will and should do as we would, and that would be to fight back. You can't blame them! What we call an "insurgent" in Iraq is what we would call a patriot here. That said, try to take Souixrose's advice and go the spiritual route to solve the quagmire. Bu$hco will take the neocon route of empire building, that's just the way neocons are, and they, like a small child in need of correction, will not listen to their parents (us), unfortunately. These folks have a serious lack of historical knowledge and as such are doomed to repeat what other have already learned the hard way. You can't cure stupiity. I do wish you could!
Souixrose, a very inspiring post, as usual. I would love to learn more about the far eastern cultures. I am a climber (actually was and trying to get back into it...arrrghhh, age!!!) and as such, have friends who have climbed in Nepal along side the Sherpas. They practice Tibetan Buddhism up yonder in the Himalayan Mountains and I have heard wonderful things about the nature of the Nepalese Sherpas. Someday, perhaps I will find myself up in the monutains visiting these wonderful folks!
Boycott/strike.
Professor Gary Leupp typically writes very good and well thought out articles. Unfortunately, in this article, the usual quality is not there but scattered around the article, leaving serious gaps in the analysis and factual support material. First there is very little understanding of Iranian Shia culture of "Imam Hussein's" army martyrdom fundamentalism; no information on the current state of mind of majority of the Muslim World - - the masses as well as most of the intelligentsia have come to hate the Anglo-American hegemony and its ME proxy Israel (AAIH) with a passion in the last 6 years for obvious reasons; and no information on how large the Mulsim World is - - 1.2 biilion people spread over 53 countries, containg substantial portion of the world's fossil energy reserves, especially of the best quality. Further, there is no mention of the major alliances and commercial ties with Russia and China.
Then again there are these unconcious, hubristic and patronizing asides, betraying some deeply ingrained belief in the white- man's manifest destiny and superiority in intelligence and miltary tactics and strategy. That is, there is this unstated belief, colouring the articles and comments, that the AAIH armed might is tecnologically far superior to that of the Iranians (which is true), and that they can use that might at full force WITHOUT receiving devastating consequences in return to their global interests as well as to the American mainland, Continental Europe and Israel itself ( which is false).
It is this last false assumption that both Leupp and many of of the progressives here and elsewhere are making to arrive at such silly conclusions as :
1. RichM - - "My prediction is that the US population will accept whatever crimes its government commits, with no significant resistance. The war will be unpopular, there will be grumbling, but no massive outcry. The media will support the strike unanimously. The strike will receive "coverage" (meaning the same kinds of lies that the Iraq "coverage" consists of); otherwise, life here will continue without missing a beat."
2. GARY LEUPP -- "Since Iran is a highly complex society, and its government widely unpopular, there may well be some local support . . ."
I do not want to make up a litany here, as just these two will suufice. Further many commenatators here don't seem to read anything about ME and the Muslim World, and have UNCONSCIOUSLY absorbed the warped views of the the neo-con Islamophobes of the Likudnik/AIPAC/Avigdor Lieberman/PNAC and their worse than Nazi hatred of Muslims that they don't even know they have this bias. Some commentators are also trolls for the dark side, and so I would not be false in saying that their opinions here are not unconsious at all.
There is a surreal air at this site where things of the most incredible importance such as an impending nuclear war are discussed with an air of - - "so what's new" and lets move on to the next news article.
I wrote a lengthy analysis just a few days ago on this issue on CD, using substantial information from the most respected and authoritative data resources such as Jane's Defence Weekly on the Iranian military industrial complex, their military doctrine, their preparation for just such an eventuality, and the manpower strength (about 4 million) they have to fight a very wide -spread, asymmetric war throughout the ME and elsewhere to inflict devastating wounds on the attackers' ground forces and bases in Iraq, Afghanistan, and elsewhere. They can also likely wipe -out or sudstantially damage the several US and NATO aircraft carrier groups in the Gulf. I also pointed out that the Iranians have the majority of their armed forces and equipment stationed in the Zagroz Mountains. this area is about 500,000 square kilometers(about one-third the size of Iran which is about 1,6 million sq km, three times the size of Iraq) and extremely rugged. Aerial bombardment of this area with conventional weapons, given the recent Israeli experience in Lebanon, will be useless in degrading Iranian military capacity to strike back. None of this appears in the article nor in the comments, even though the type of analysis I did is uncommon for I have never seen any of the pundits living in the AAIH do it in public.
Now I had made a promise to myself not to waste my time writing at this site again, because I do not think that it is at all serious. Almost no article writers respond to the serious comments or arguments. Consequently it has an appearance of a grade school class for the most part with the article writers as bemused or "elevated" teachers who can't be bothered to respond or participate.
But I am breaking my own promise this once because the impending neo-con nuclear war is so important to stop, that articles and comments here that are not seriously researched but simply uninformed opinion provide a false sense of security that AAIH's might will prevail against those "untermenschen" Muslim "ragheads".
I am not going to repeat the facts or analysis in my previous post of few days ago here, and if you don't want to read it, I don't give a rat's ass. But if you do want a serious discussion then go read it first and tell me how the scenario I have sketched out there is not a substantial response to Leupp's very question on what happens the day after. And if this claim is correct, then why is it so hard to have any serious discussion on this issue using that analysis? And furthermore, do you find Professor Leupp's analysis better than that, and if so how? This is how a Socratic dialectic works.
Let me take Point 2. above by Professor Leupp. He says, "its government is widely unpopular". Where is the substantial factual evidence (outside CIA sources) for this? I have heard this phrase bandied about in the MSM, and especially the neo-con "think-tank" misinformation sources that we all know about. It is true that the educated youth in the urban areas, especially children of the Bazaari(the "moneyed and trading" middle class), are chaffing. But they constitute probably about 1% of the Iranian population of 70 million. That hardly qualifies for the adverb "widely". Second, if it was so widespread, and given the 200,000 coalition troops nearby and AAIH political apparatus waiting for the miracle of taking over Iran without firing a shot, or causing massive destabilization in 6 years they have been there by suffusing Iran with arms for the "wide" opposition, does it not make sense that the Americans would NOT be in the quagmire they are today in Iraq to the point that they are begging for Iranians for help to extricate them out of it? Finally, if the regime was "widely unpopular", and having stated this with unbounded confidence without reference to any credible sources so as to make it as obvious as night follows day, so to speak, then surely the next claim must be robust and not weak and waffling as "there MAY well be SOME support . . .". Two major cautions in a conclusion t following an almost oracular claim to the contrary is not sound reasoning.
Consider RichM's paragraph that exhibits so much non-challence at the prospect of an impending nuclear war that will be the most eggregious war crime in history, that one has to wonder whether the writer is on another planet or what.
" ... otherwise, life here will continue without missing a beat."
Excuse me???? This belief that the military forces of the AAIH will be able to fight a nuclear war in the middle of the two largest oil reserves in the world as a "local" skirmish that will not reach mainland Europe or America has so much typical AAIH hubris that one wonders how America can ever be saved from itself. For if these are the beliefs on a "progressive" web site, then can you imagine what the real yahoos who believe in Superman from Krypton is actually alive and fighting with the Judeo-Christian God's hordes in the ME would be thinking?
Now let me tell you what will happen on the day, NOT THE DAY AFTER, the first nuclear bombs fall on major Iranian cities where their nuclear and other facilities are located.
Let us assume that the neo-cons and the Fallwell-Dobson and what-have-you Chrsitian crazies are utterly insane and that they are only interested in destruction of millions of innocent Muslims. But we must assume that their financiers on Wall Street are in it for the money. Since the Iraq war is going to cost about a $ 1 Trillion, conservatively, we may assume that the Iran war will cost at least FOUR times as much with only conventional weapons, and even more with nuclear ones. Therefore the Iranian oil fields and gas reserves must be captured intact to defray these costs.
What happens when five to ten, 20,000 ton TNT, "bunker buster" bombs (each of them most likely equivalent in blast to Hiroshima and Nagasaki together) on 10 Iranian cities where the suspected nuclear, missile, armaments industries and command and control centres are located. Many of these have been deliberately built by the Iranians near the oil fields and gas reserves to ensure that no profit accrues to an aggressor. The oil fields and gas reserves will go up in flames. If they don't and the Iranians find themselves with their backs to the wall, they will follow a scorched earth policy and put these, the Iraqi fields and the all the Gulf fields, which are all located in the middle of Shia population centres, to flame.
That means the financiers are now out of 5 trillion dollars (including the one trillion in Iraq) and counting. they must be pretty dumb to risk that with large scale nuclear strike.
Next(this is still the FIRST day remember?),about 50,000 Iranian Revolutionary Guards will pour into Iraq over its long unprotected border, not in fixed large scale formations, but in small, dispersed groups to fight an asymmetrical war in Iraq with the occupation forces. They will link up with the Mahdi Army and The Badr Brigades, with Ayatollah Sistani's blessing, to form an urban guerrila army of nearly 150,000 fighting men, heavily armed as I explained previously, with the most sophisticated anti-tank and ant- close- air- support hand held and mobile weapons that Iran manucatures in the hundreds of thousands under license from Russia and also indigenously developed. A taste of their effectiveness was provided by the Hizbullah last Summer in the Lebanon war. How long do you think it will take for the exhausted coalition forces' casualty rate to zoom up into the thousands, making the current rag-tag insurgency look like a picnic?
Next, with 10 of their cities nuked, and the Iranian ayatollahs having assumed that their foes are not out to take their oil fields but to annihilate them as a people, and therefore there is no negotiation possible, they will fire their 1000-2000 intermediate range missiles that have bio-chemical war heads at Israel, the three carrier groups, and anything else, including the American bases in Iraq and elsewhere in Central Asia.
Now, the AAIH will have no choice but to use their strategic nuclear bombs, namely the so called thermo-nuclear or hydrogen bombs that are only meant to mass murder large concentartions of civilians such as Tehran with its 7-8 million population.
Say all of this has occured on the first day.
So what happens on the NEXT DAY, Professor Leupp asks?
The next day the war will have spiralled out of control into a world wide nuclear war between the Muslim World, China, and Russia on one side and the Anglo- American Hegemony on the otherside with Europe having joined with AAH as I have argued in my previous post. Notice I have removed Israel from the scenario by the next day as it will have ceased to exist. The Pakistani nuclear arsenal will already be in use. The Israeli nuclear arsenal remaining at sea will join the AAH. Or Israel would have initiated its doomsday scenario stated by Golda Meier that in the event Israel's very existence is in jeopardy, then it will fire all the 300 nuclear warheads and take the World with them.
In any case, RichM and every body else here who has any hubristic mythology in mind that WWIII will not reach into the American mainland with nuclear and bio-chemical bombs, then they should see their therapists right away.
In an all-out nuclear war, the World lasts only two days.
Get it!
Attacking Iran would be stepping barefoot on the third rail. With two or three of our carrier battle groups in the Persian Gulf, it would take one Iranian anti-ship missile (and they have hundreds) to sink an oil tanker in the Straits of Hormuz and that would bottle up much of our Navy, and most of the oil from the entire middle east.
If you look at a topo map of Iran, you will see that as opposed to Iraq, Iran is not flat. There are 800 miles of mountain ranges from the Gulf to Tehran. They have 350,000 men at arms, tens of thousands of tanks, an airforce, et cetera. There is ZERO likelihood that we could prevail in attacking Iran.
Meanwhile, our exit from Iraq is blocked. All of our Troops and equipment came in through Kuwait and will have to go out through Kuwait. Even if the Straits are passable, All that materiel will have to travel back down the length of Iraq, down through Shi'ite controlled Basra on, what was dubbed in the first Oil War, the Highway of Death. Remember that one? Gen. Barry McCaffrey slaughtered 15,000 retreating Iraqi troops after they'd been routed from Kuwait. This is what you'd call a turkey shoot, except this time the turkeys will be our troops.
Meanwhile, the rest of the world isn't going to just tut tut oh my. With Half of the world's oil bottled up behind the blocked Straits, everyone's economies will be crashing, bad. We will be the object of international sanctions, so our economy will be dire. China and Japan hold trillions of Dollars in American Debt, even if they didn't call in their paper, there won't be any more. We import most of our fresh food from South America for 6 months a year, that will end abruptly. With Oil in the $150 to $200 per barrel range, shipping food 6000 miles makes it too expensive for most people to buy.
Attacking Iran would be a fatal mistake for America.
But Cheney don't give a danm.
Hillary is on record of using nukes against Iran. Whatever Bush's failures are, Clinton is eager to walk down the same path and one which there will be no turning back from. Once they open that door, it will be swinging both directions. If you live in Washington or New York, my advice is to get the hell out...
Many, if not most, of us readers of Common Dreams don't 'wonder how America can ever be saved from itself'. We are absolutely sure that it can't. This is a fascinating reality show in which we know that the outcome is the end of the 'age of oil'. Civilization as we know it will not exist by mid-century and possibly even sooner.
AYMON: You make the case for WHY NOT TO BEGIN THIS DANCE WITH DEATH impressively. I still believe enough minds flipping gears and hearts opening can alter this possible reality. The reason psychic predictins often fail (and I mean those of the luminaries in that field) is because if consciousness alters, so does outcome. Gordon Michael Scallion gained fame in the prediction game by accurately predicting the timing and latitude of Hurricane Andrew's strike. He was INCORRECT about 3 quakes soon after hitting California (they did get 2). He explained that enough people WORKED TOGETHER to create a more harmonic force which acted as a protection, and thus blocked the 3rd (potentially most lethal) quake. There are MANY predictions about mankind's numbers being decimanted over the course of the next decisive 10 years. This is ONE potential reality, it is NOT the only one. Reality is produced by ALL of its players; and while the military big whigs get to claim big decisions, that does not mean that MILLIONS gathered in prayer, MILLIONS in Iran and the US and even Israel who do NOT believe in enemies to the point they would wipe out a people and in so-doing unlash the bloodiest and most deadly war of human history. Mankind has arrived at the cusp of Ages, and each AGE dominates for 2200 years. This is why most take the quality of the times they live in as "proof" of reality and evidence of "human nature." Both are false, as our observations of what flesh is heir to are limited by the shaping forces of each age and epoch. The past 2 millennia have been unduly influenced by ego, raw force, competition and its composite: war. THIS cusp of ages is where mankind decides. That decision is NOT just in the hands of a few obviously off-balanced "leaders." This is the moment we really put down our swords, and MEDITATE on our commonality. Perhaps this is why the US led a voyage to the moon, that through the photos we get to really SEE that our world is ONE. The challenges climate instability is soon to pose beg us to learn to work together, for LIFE is precious. IF the scenario this article postulates came to pass, imagine how long and tiring the processes for Mother Nature to replenish this gorgeous earth with species as diverse as sunflowers, butterflies and great apes? THIS is a wonderland. It is OUR wonderland. Fear and terror have ruled mankind and allowed those who wield these forces to command enormous powers. Now they threaten ALL our lives. While political action and judicial channels still pose POSSIBLE solutions, a higher element is being forced to awaken: that of consciousness. How do you think Jesus was able to do the miracles he did? Jesus was an awakened soul who used PURE energy not only to heal, but to resurrect his body after the illusion of death. OTHER masters have performed comparable feats and are worshipped in other cultures. We must not forget the DIVINE power endowed to each of us as a CHILD of Creator. Jesus taught "2 or more gathered," and today in churches they sing prayers to the destruction of others. I, too, sat at Jewish Sedars as a young girl and HATED hearing the championing of praise to a God that "smited the Egyptians." A JUST soul born to ANY religion realizes what is unjust and must stand up to all injustice. I do not espouse any religion, although as SHAWN inquired, the BUDDHIST experience is probably my favorite. The Buddhists truly practice PEACE. They do NOT harm their enemies or fight back. They understand the LONG arm of the LAW of karma. I think spending 10 days at the monastery changed me, perhaps altered my BEING. It's not a matter of beliefs, it's more a presence and realization that HAPPENS if and when one immerses in a climate that LIVES a higher ideal than most on earth, primitive warring tribes still, experience. WE, and I am speaking to us as mortal beings, were designed for greater than this... but facing this Middle East "end times" courting of Armageddon demands that EACH soul decide which master s/he serves. To advocate ANY form of killing is to praise Mars and Mammon, lower gods, deadly desires. It is time to realize that ALL life is sacred, Creator is a lover of diversity and therefore peopled this planet with all types that we LEARN to get along. Gerald Jampolsky asked rhetorically in his book, "Love is Letting go of Fear," Do you want to be RIGHT or happy? We must live our truth, not need to be right (and of course I am aiming this point at our nation's policies) and ALLOW others to do likewise. As great masters have taught, VIOLENCE can and will only beget violence, and tragically the weapons America and its client states have invested in make the case for violence abundantly clear in its outcome: M.A.D (that abreviation speaks for itself).
aymon: I certainly do get it now! Thank you for the demoralizing lesson. I also believe that Madhoosier ( blog #3) likely has it right, if it should turn out you are not.
Hope siouxrose has it right, I just don't have enough information about her type of wisdom and spirituality to have her type of faith.
I have enough widsom to know, any significant nuclear weapons use could result in the end of mankind. By significant, I mean ten to twenty nuclear weapons, having plutonium cores going off in the atmosphere will suffice.
Wonder if the Moral Majority people are right? Wonder if this is God's plan after all? Falwell's gone and can vote on it. God don't talk to me like he does to GWB though, what exactly is it that King George is now drinking, scotch and holy water maybe?
Ya know, Falwell MAY not be where he said he was going, he MAY be dancing with the devil.
Un common dreams: thanks for the heads up, and further elaboration on the empowering fact that MIND is builder, so have many masters taught. This is not to PRETEND there are not real and evident dangers in our midst. Our time spent digesting these articles (on this important site) proves we are not looking away from the actual issues at hand; but learning to work HIGHER powers of mind AS A COLLECTIVE can open a pathway to LIGHT that has not yet been taken. Ultimately we cannot argue for our limitations and at the same time expect a way out of the maze. Critical mass (where we are) invites new cognitive solutions, which is another way of saying, "necessity IS the mother of invention."
Un-Common-Dreams: Oh no, I did not mean it that way, I meant thank you Aymon for an excellent opinion and I beleive he may be right on the target. It is just demoralizing to even have to have to write or even think about such things. I supose I should be more careful of my word usage.
"Message to Americans, wake up, will you? You aren't the only people on our planet - you do not own it. Other people and cultures feel the right to exist or enjoy its resources. Are you so stupid to think, with all the shenanigans going on by this born-again, ex-drunk, power mad, fortunate son, that you are right?"
No offense, but you are talking to the wrong group of 'Muricans or as should be named "Duhmericans." We on Commondreams, Alternet, Smirking Chimp, Information Clearing House, and yep, even Prisonplanet know the country formerly known as the land of the free and home of the brave is heading down the road to destruction. We are sadly aware of the problems that our nation is causing for the rest of the world. What those from other countries around the globe must understand is that most of the American people are also angry about the course the neocons have taken. Look at some of the polls. Somewhere around 82% of our citizens dissapprove of what Bu$hco is doing, with 51% (at least) wanting ALL of these fascist bastards (and one bitch to boot...)IMPEACHED!!! Didn't you see the election results from last fall? We elected a democratic congress for the purpose of doing what we want done, rather than that what Bu$h and his fellow felons wish, but they won't do it. I am still scratching my forehead wondering why, and further what...what are we as a people whose government is out of ITS control going to do about it? You see, a very big part of the problem is the fact that our "free" media is corporate owned, which in other words means that we don't get the REAL news (except we, like those who participate or read news sites such as Common Dreams, Alternet, etc.) In other words yet, our population is largely in the dark. Some also are consumed by this false sense of patriotism, which Bu$h and gang push in his "War on Terra", they are stupid yes, but still believe that if "we aren't with 'em we're against 'em" bullcrap. We have a large population of those who call themselves "Christians" (heretofore known as "pseudo-Christians) who truly believe that this War on Terra is a religious war that will lead eventually to the second comming of Christ. Really!!! We have most who work two jobs to make ends meet...they don't have time to worry about "this stuff." In other words, we have a really sick country.
A suggestion. If you want to direct a comment towards those who, if they listened, would probably be able to help more than anything as they are the problem population here, direct your comments to those on Hannity.com.
what else can we say....
All is going according to plan......
common sense or dreams for that matter cant get in the way of de-populating the earth so we can rule.
let the games begin.
the iluminatti
Evelyn Smith, Un-Common Dreams:
First I would like to thank Evelyn for correcting Un-Common Dreams, and also Un-Common Dreams for raising points that allows me to correct misperceptions such as he/she has and that some other writers here may share. Also it allows me to talk about "spirituality" becuase this also comes in many flavours. Let me say again something I said several weeks ago that the Light is not pleased, to put it mildly, with what is happening in the world today. The cries of too many innocent children have disturbed the spiritual realm immensely, from Darfur, the ME, and the 30,000 dying each day for lack of food and medicine while trillions are being spent in war. The time of the Empire has run out, and how the Light will intervene if and when a nuclear war starts or is about to break out is known only to Itself. But expect very dire reckoning within 10 years (2016) when the AEONIC life span (240 years) of America as a centre of power and of Euro-American civilazation is up. Its decline started 36 years ago, namely the period of "sunset" of the American military empire, about 1980. It's not surprising that these cosmic calculations coincide exactly with the start of the the neo-con era with Ronald Reagan.
I have no intention of terrifying anybody, nor have shown intolerance for views expressed here. But I do from time to time express my own views based on my knowledge and information. In expressing these view, I try and correct misinformed opinion and attempts at complacency when we may be less than 100 days away from a nuclear world war. At this crucial juncture in human history, it is difficult for a man of Light who has a duty to arouse all good hearted people to righteous outrage rather than providing a false sense of security by saying "God is in heaven and all's well on Earth".
I am not saying that I am right, that this is the way it will exactly come to pass; but the scenario I have laid out given the the knowledge I have has a pretty high probability of occurring, more than the alternate scenario the neo-con Darkness is peddling to give a false sense of security to the American people that "we will fight them over there with nuclear bombs so that they do not come here with nuclear bombs". I was just trying to make people aware that no matter what type of nuclear bombs (and believe me, the neo-con/Podhoretz fathomless evil wants to use many, many bombs to kill hundreds of millions of Muslims - from North Africa to Indonesia),the ensuing chaos is NOT going to be LOCAL skirmish. One cannot bomg Iran into "glass" or back to the "stone age" (all popular expressions here though I do not hear any squeamishness from people here on them) and assume that the Muslim world will consider the mass murder of 70 million Muslims as a spectator sport. The MSM such as the NYT,Wasington Post,CNN - - the so called "moderate" press - - are nothing more than sophisticated agents of the pervaisve darkness that has descended on the Anglo-American world including significant parts of Canada (Harper and his allies of the darkness in Alberta and British columbia, and scattered throughout rural Canada) and Howard's Australia. The darkness has won a major victory in France with Sarkocrazy. All these propaganda apparatus is now in full nuclear war-selling mode. Their main argument is that "Sunni Mulsims", especially Arabs, will be happy to see the annihilation of "Shias" in a the nuclear bomb mass murder of 70 million innocent people - - "Persian" Shias - -in Iran.
For example, Senator Byrd in his speech, though "liberal" (a surprise over the last many years from a former grand dragon of the KKK) and reported on CD, although demanding for "redloyment" of American forces from Iraq, felt it necessary to pander to the racist impulse that most likely runs in his bones and in the psyche of at least tens of millions white males, by proclaiming, "...THESE PEOPLE have been fighting for THOUSANDS of years.. "(emphasis added)
"THESE PEOPLE"??? "THOUSANDS OF YEARS"??? The place and peoples that gave you civilization when the white person was a barbarian, roaming around in caves, not bathing, not shaving and in squalour 4000 half years ago? "THESE PEOPLE" were living in metropolises such as Babylon in Iraq and Memphis in Egypt that rival our cities today. "THESE PEOPLE" taught systems of laws (the Code of Hammurabi)from which a large portion of Roman Law comes, systems of commerce, of contracts, of science, mathematics, writing, buiding large structures, dykes, canals, ship building, textiles, beautiful linen and silk, art, crafts . . .? "THESE PEOPLE", who produced your Abraham?
What can one say about the American people in general, when such cretinous ignorance about ME history and culture enveloppe's the mind of the oldest US senator and comes flooding out from his mouth at the age of 80? Thus this mythology that Shias and Sunnis are such blood thirsty enemies, that they will welcome the mass destruction of innocent Muslims that the neo-con darknessis is selling you is false.
If you believe this falsehood, then you have no knowledge of Islamic Civilizations and how they were the centres of civilaztion in evry sense of the word for about 720 years (their Aeonic time in the Pisces age, from 610 - 1330). Consider just the story of of the Crusades. The Muslim world,under the miltary genius and Khalif Salahuddin of Egypt, Shias and Sunnis united, fighting together in disciplined, miltarily efficient and effective ways against the depraved Crusaders (except perhaps for the Knights Templar, who brought to Europe a lot of Eastern esoteric knowledge, and were massacred for it by King Phillip and the French Pope around the early 1300's). Salahuddin's armies gave the Crusaders such a thrashing that they never came back. And contrary to the evil propaganda of right wing neo-con Jews like Podhoretz, thousands of Jewish soldiers fougt in Salahuddin's armies, and none among the Crusaders (who had butchered every Jew they came across starting from Southern France).
And why should Jews not fight with Muslims during those times? For example, the the Fatimid Empire (900 -1100 CE)that ruled Noth Africa and Palestine, and to which Saluhuddin was heir, had a Jewish Prime Minister (Ben (ibn) Killis) to the Khalif for nearly 40 years. Jews were respected by the Fatimids as scholars in every science and profession, doctors, lawyers, and were well- established for centuries with many wealthy merchants. This is most likely unknown to the Ashkenazi Jews, especially in America, who seem to give ear only to the right wing crazies among them, just as fundamentalist "Muslims" give ear only to a crazy like Osama bin Laden. Where was Maimonides educated, where did he live, and in which language did he write his works which are considered to be the crowning jewels of Jewish thought?
So when I write, the truth may be "inconvenient" and not sugar coated, but that is reality.
Is providing the unvarnished truth "unspiritual"? Maybe if you have some stereo-type of spirituality as providing only pleasant delusions like a drug. But that is not spirituality but quackery. The Budha said that he had come to provide people a way out of the pains of human life - he did not white-wash the human condition. Neither did Jesus.
When I was much younger and still absorbing spiritual insights from various sources, one of my favourite sources was and is still the Bhagavad Gita, which is a dialogue between the hero (Arjuna)of the battle between good and evil, and Krishna (the descended Light in the illusion of human form as his charioter) before the battle is joined. This was the book the GANDHI carried around with himself all the time. It was his great inspiration in his non-violent struggle with the British Empire. Well, I suggest people go and read this book (availble for a few dollars in a beautiful English tranlation by Juan Mascaro, Penguin Classics). There is no sugar coating there. The Light speaks with the highest insights on the structure of the Universe and the journey of the human mind to enlightenment. But Krishna does not mince words when he urges Arjuna to action against uncompromising and vast evil.
Later I came across the works of Carlos Castenada, and his "Toltec" shaman teacher - - Don Juan Mattus. I read all of his books. Certainly it was not the more monkish spirituality I had read elsewhere, but it was certainly an honest expression of the vast spirituality of the South American Indians and their civilations, so brutally destroyed by invading Euro-hordes spreading "Christianity" by the sword! Well, Juan Mattus' worldview is not for the squeamish and those get scared by the "occult".
I derive my enduring and most helpful spirituality from its most ancient source, namely the spirituality of the Light of Ancient Egypt. Most spiritualities are derivative of this source. Even Herodotus, a Greek historian, considered the "father" of history in European civilizations, recognized the place of Egypt in the grand scheme of things, following Plato and Solon. In fact I am prepared to state here unequivocally that ALL the three "Abrahamic monotheisms" are derivatives of the Egyptian montheism of the LIGHT. In fact the the creation story at the beginning of the Bible is a word for word rendition of a part of Egyptian cosmology.
The only problem is that while Egypt was the most enlightened civilzation on the rights and freedoms of women which were never equalled until 5000 years later in 20th Century Europe, the Abrahamic religions were polluted from their spirituality of Light by the intervention of organized Semitic priesthoods that reduced women to property, and ushered in such vile fundamentalisms of money, war and tribal anthropomorhic "Gods", that today all three fundies are gathering for a nuclear war.
The Light will intervene if life is threatened on Earth. Fundies must realize that the Light is not on the side of those who set out to destroy Life in such mass slaughter, almost to extinction. Those who beilieve they will be "raptured" by an anthropomorhic Christo-Yahweh will be in for a very unpleasant surprise. They may well end up RUPTURED.
AYMON: Most eloquent, erudite and comprehensive as usual! (Bravo!) I feel your PASSION to awaken as many minds as possible in the interest of using the varied media to simulate what US policy led by the hell-bent deluded will carry us. You have articulated the outcome with care and undeniable detail. I hope my bringing forward the idea that MINDS turning from the calamity-- to swell like a cognitive ocean and shift the tide of probability--did not seem to counter the points you have raised, which I do agree with. Your reach into history in search of Truth's enduring roots is more than admirable, it is much like my parallel search, although we have come to some different sources in our respective journeys. In spite of the dangerous folly of leaders, I still believe there are forces, agents of the LIGHT that can work to alter the potential reality of this moment. Do you think mailing the short VIDEO feature idea to someone in established media (animation) might help? In any case, thank you for sharing illuminating facts in this forum.
Shawn: Good defense, pal! I have tried to enlighten those who lump ALL Americans into the martial mix that that is NOT the case at all. In fact the majority of persons contributing to this forum are SEARCHING for the ways and means to curb injustice on the part of our mostly sold-out leaders, complicit press, and presidency (never elected) gone amok. Since the US IS the world's superpower, our position as citizens is like living in a dysfunctional family ambiance where we have to step lightly for fear our father (armed to the max) will beat the living hell out of us. Most of us value our lives and feel we can make a bigger difference maintaining that status. (Think Rachel Corrie, for her admirable idealism, probably did leave a mark, but she's no longer with us. The Front lines is a tough place to be.) Some outside the US tell us that by us not doing enough, we court disaster. Some see disaster already in the making, a momentum too large to now offset. I argue for higher forces than those our egos are pivvy to, without negating ANY of the valid and sadly true observations here on THIS plane. Mankind IS at a juncture... I believe the force of our encounter with one another is the motivational device that defines which Master we serve. ANY who side with one racial or ethnic group against another, ultimately side with the divisive forces tearing our earth and its people asunder. We must come to that higher realization as per the ONENESS of mankind, that is the quantum leap required now. No more fear of other. Instead, cast our nets to the other side (a massive cognitive shift, a changing of the guard ideologically) and learn how to BE better neighbors. This same axiom applies to how we treat the members of nature's OTHER kingdoms... everything IS at stake. Living simply that others may simply live never rang truer. Peace to all.
Siouxrose:
You are a source of Light as always. BTW, I really liked the Malaysia visit story you posted a few days ago.
Light be with you
Aymon