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Where's The Anti-War Passion?
I recently attended my Amherst College ('67) reunion. It was an occasion to catch up with old friends, but I was also saddened by a recitation of the names of too many classmates who had passed away before their time. This reunion, however, was notable for its distinctly political focus on the many other men and women who are being killed well before their time. The organizers had scheduled a symposium on the political evolution of our generation, which graduated from college with eyes fixed on Vietnam. For most students today, however, Iraq seems at most a distant distraction. These generational differences constitute a special challenge to those of us whose early political commitments were so heavily shaped by Vietnam.
Commentators remind us that military strength in Vietnam peaked at about a half-million men, whereas U.S. troop strength in Iraq may reach only 170,000. These figures, however, are deceiving. The U.S. presence in Iraq now also includes approximately 125,000 employees of private contractors, most of whom are performing functions once carried out by active duty military personnel.
With nearly two-thirds of the highest Vietnam era military presence in Iraq, with occupation expenditures topping $100 billion a year, and with daily reports of substantial U.S. casualties, comparisons with Vietnam era politics are irresistible. Two years before my graduation, Amherst gained national notoriety when five graduating seniors publicly walked out on Defense Secretary Robert McNamara's commencement address. By the time of my graduation, President Johnson faced the prospect of an anti-war challenge to his own re-nomination. Months later, he stepped aside.
President Bush has been granted funding to continue a war that many of the Democratic majority pledged to end. Why is there no political movement that might give the Democrats the spine to provide more than a temporary inconvenience to the president?
The increasingly incestuous relationship between mainstream media and the administration is one factor. The Bush administration was clever enough to embed reporters during field operations and forbid pictures of caskets. The U.S. media have always been cheerleaders for war, but today it is even harder for them to jump off the ship. By 1968, long time CBS Evening News anchorman Walter Cronkite had become disabused of his government's portrayal of the war and presented footage that challenged prevailing Pentagon reports.
Today star media players, like Dan Rather, seem able to express dissent — if ever — only on leaving their positions. Media as institutions are just as embedded as their correspondents. TV networks are part of vast conglomerates and depend on administration approval for new mergers and acquisitions. They also rely on direct government subsidy, license renewals, and trade treaties — all of which exert a huge impact on the bottom line. The very definition of journalism has become altered, with journalists viewing success in terms of access to high administration officials.
For their part, Democrats have allowed the media to define the boundaries of the possible. Most are shameless triangulators. Since most Americans still get the bulk of their political information from television, media labels count for a lot. The trick is to appeal to their base while finding subtle ways to reassure the media as to one's safety and thus avoid the most damaging labels in U.S. politics, "radical" or "unelectable." Thus many Democrats today suggest they oppose the current course of the war, but "support the troops" and defer management of the war to the president.
But perhaps the largest reason Bush rests easy on the throne is the absence of a full-blown student movement. Though many college students are involved in anti-war protests, their efforts lack the numbers and the intensity of an earlier generation.
Foremost in framing a '60s student movement was the draft. Facing the strong possibility of being drafted in 1967, most of my classmates and I spent endless hours calculating how a choice of jobs, graduate schools, ROTC, etc., might allow us to avoid being drafted into a war most of my friends and I did not support. A teaching position won me a "national security" deferment from my local Detroit, Mich., area draft board.
Although virtually none of my friends served in Vietnam, the war was continually part of our consciousness — if only because the inequities of the draft did require some skill to navigate and the steps taken to avoid the war forced dramatic shifts in life plans. Should we conclude from this, as some on the left have, that one way to ramp up opposition to the occupation of Iraq is to restore the draft? I will explore this step and some alternatives in my next column.
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Show AllWe are too busy working attempting to pay off the enormous debt we all owe to mortgage companies and realtors, universities, car dealerships, and credit card companies or we are only posting to blogs and where we need to be is out in the streets or holding sit-in's in Congress.
The author Buell, like most people, is unable to discriminate between anti-war and pro-peace.
yes...anti war is using the frame of the administration and media. you have to reframe the discussion. this is not the sixties!!! now it is students fault. sounds like more of the blame game, like no more hippies.
Related to this is what the next few months portend. If Iran is bombed, the picture changes drastically. Everyone should right now go through a mental exercise of deciding what they might be called upon to do, and commit to carrying that out. A "best-case scenario/worst-case scenario" thought exercise might be well worth it.
There is no proof being forced to die for a corrupt government will "ramp up" opposition to the illegal occupation. Anyone who thinks the sons and daughters of the rich and privileged would serve a minute - as opposed to say, spending millions upon millions to see that such a heinous event never come to pass - is living in loyal bushieland. The one thing the Cheney gang does really well is avoid military service. This time they would surely design it so that their "friends" were somehow exempt.
Meanwhile, it's clear this administration is anti-Democracy, and so ruthless they kill and wound over a million without blinking, out CIA NOC agents, and publicly accuse every dissenter and whistleblower of being a crazy, disgruntled traitor. Secret prisons, Gitmo, torture, cluster bombs, anthrax letters, disappearances, "non-lethal" militarized Robocops in every city, nuns and grandmothers jailed, protest cages, the IRS, Halliburton "special programs" detention centers... remember, the core potential conscripts were 12-15 years old when this hell began. That's seven formative years of lies, corruption, a shredded Constitution (that they were never taught anyway,) a missing Bill of Rights, a President who appears all powerful, and, of course, fear fear fear fear fear fear fear. One violent response to any "ramp up in opposition" will send most of Gen X and Y running for their xboxes. And the rest of us are too old and have too much to lose.
Add to that, say, an Iran nuke fest and maybe a few "terrorist" attacks in Los Angeles, and President CocoBananas will have as many bullet magnets as he needs.
why isn't there a greater anti-war sentiment in this country? b/c most united statesians are completely disconnected from the consequences of the war, to US troops, to US treasury, and most importantly, to Iraq. ask your average american how many troops have been killed, and he/she'll probably get that right. ask them how many wounded, how much money, or how the war has affected iraq, and they won't have a freakin' clue.
this, of course, is an intentional state of affairs.
at every chance you get, in whatever format, ask these questions about the war, and have your answers ready:
HOW MANY IRAQIS HAVE BEEN KILLED? HOW MANY ARE DISPLACED/REFUGEES? WHY DOESN'T THE MSM REPORT THIS AS THE LEAD STORY EVERY SINGLE DAY?
Realistically, today's students have legitimate reasons for not getting involved. Our government has made it very clear what happens when you dissent publicly. This is not the sixties - there is no counter-culture movement against the establishment. Now if you are too vocal in your opinions against the government you will be harrassed, arrested, and otherwise dealt with by police, the IRS, and other governmental agencies. Not to mention verbal and sometimes physical harrassment by all the pro-war junkies/neocon idealogues.
The sixties taught us (the generation after the sixties and beyond) that it was ultimately useless to stand up to the shadow government/corporatocracy which now rules the world (not just the U.S.) It is useless partly because the idealists can not ever gain enough power to ultimately overthrow those with unlimited power and money, and also because there are those who, upon working within the system with idealistic goals, become slaves to the system as well, eventually courting corporate power and money for their own political survival.
I would say that the last real chance for taking down the corporate fascist regime that now controls the free world has long, long since past. You can hear the last dying breath of democracy in the voices of the late sixties, but it was probably already too late even then. Corporate power took control in the early 1900's and solidified it's position in the world through the Federal Reserve, and now it's not hiding it's fangs anymore. We are currently stuck in a situation that is going to have to play itself out.
Short of a nuclear genocide of global proportions, there is not much hope for humanity breaking free of this global oppression. I do not foresee any way that "anti-war" or "Pro Peace" negotiating will do any good whatsoever. Neither will believing in the "democratic" party, which doesn't exist - it is now bought and paid for by the corporatocracy. Until people around the WORLD realize that the corporate power structure is firmly in control of world affairs, we won't see change. Even if people do wake up, it will be a tremendously bloody and horrible war against people - the people of the world vs. the obscenely rich, well-armed, well-supplied corporate global fascist movement.
This is not "Star Wars" and the "rebellion" does not stand a chance in this situation. Although, within the past six years, the mask of democracy has been ripped off of our government and what is revealed is the ugly, raw, fascist power that has been patiently waiting in the wings until just the right moment, which was when they were able to place a pResident into power through corrupt means, and take their mask off. It reminds me of the Emperor in Star Wars - "Only now... do you understand". Sad analogy, I know, but true. Only now are people really understanding what has been put into place quietly over the past 100 years. It is nothing short of a global system of control and power, protected and aided by the largest military and police force the world has ever known. Even more disconcerting is the mind control which has been planted and exerted over the people who are part of this global policing force - they are being conditioned to hate anyone who disagrees, which makes them not only powerful, but dangerous to anyone who stands for real freedom. They have been taught to believe they are actually FIGHTING for freedom, when they are actually helping to enslave. Orwell would be surprised at how efficiently this has been achieved.
"Should we conclude from this, as some on the left have, that one way to ramp up opposition to the occupation of Iraq is to restore the draft?"
I swear I will personally enact some revenge on any pseudo-leftist who sacrifices the lives of the younger generations while they sit through the war in their own retirement, on the abstract notion that this is a way to "end the war." It is almost as corrupt and stupid a strategy as the democrats insistence on "funding the troops." The old politicians are the ones deciding this war; other people who went to college in the 60's, so don't you dare believe that you have the right to blame the students or drag them into the war without a fight - a fight against you! If the democrats try to force a draft, the students will vote GOP, you fools! You do not have the right to play chess games with my life! Focus on forcing the democrats to end the war in your own time, with your own comfort, livelihood, and future. The draft would just give Bush a fighting force to take over the entire middle east.
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billjv, i understand your pessimism, and feel deeply pessimistic much of the time myself. but i offer this: the fracture and near collapse of the nation state system at the end of world wars 1 & 2 opened up possibilities for progressive change. the russian revolution of 1917, and the post-colonial struggles at the end of ww2 (i'm not gonna defend all of the russian revolution; i just offer it as an example of a major power trying to get out of the colonialist/imperialist world order).
these were not ultimately successful, but imperialism/fascism are not as strong as they'd like you to believe. if they were, why do they have to lie all the time? about everything?
anywho, hang in there bill jv!
"... you idiots! You do not have the right to play chess games with my life!"
Besides, there's the little matter of the Constitution. The 13th Amendment prohibits involuntary servitude. However, the Supreme Court ruled in 1916 that the 13th Amendment doesn't apply to slavery via the military draft. Perhaps that ruling should be revisited, or the Amendment reinforced to prohibit a draft.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirteenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution
It's very simple - in 1967 there was a military draft, in 2007 there is no draft. "Student idealism" in the 60's was mostly about avoiding service. Once the draft went away (and once the cops and soldiers started firing back, ala Kent State) most of the steam went out of the "student movement."
The draft argument is a cop out. Enough troops have died so most know families involved. The communities the troops come from don't seem bothered enough to stop sending their children.
Then....Citizens made themselves and others aware of the issues. Everywhere people congregated- the war was discussed. All of its horrors were in the news.
Now....American Idol, The Sopranos, Anna Nicole Smith, Paris Hilton dominate the news ...and the conversations at Starbucks.
I made the mistake of mentioning the Iraqi dead and was told by a sweet 50-ish woman"If that's what it takes, Let's do it." And she is anti-Bush.
P.S. Also back then the right to congrgate in public was still legal with or without permits and demonstrations were covered by the MSM, unlike our current state of affairs.
Obviously you guys were part of a large vastly better to do middle class.
Now, my wife and I juggle two kids, our own educations, and our own jobs. The fact that it takes two incomes to get by these days, makes it even more difficult to have the time to take part in our civic discourse.
C'mon, Merkins. Buell is just tryna (re)light a fire under the anti-war movement. I know y'all must be very tired -- it's been a long war, and it's really discouraging when the MSM distorts every anti-war demonstration, if they cover it at all. I think the answer is to get EVERY state legislature to support an impeachment resolution. Perhaps that will finally wake up the Dems in Congress.
I have no doubt the occupation will end. What I worry about is; will that end support for altrnate energy?
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If the Christians are right and there is a hell I believe there is special place there for Schumer and other Dimocraps who would give Bush MORE cannon fodder for a broader war in the middle east. Disgusting, and the sort of thing that makes me wonder if Dims by sapping strength away from activism while supporting the global elite agenda of the WTO/IMF/NAFTA/CAFTA and the military media industrial complex are the greater of two evils? Certainly it should be plain for anyone to see that both mainstream parties are just plain evil and change will only come about by a million person march on Washington.
The younger generation already know this war is unjust and bogus and that we were lied to. That is different from vietnam. The draft sparked the anti-war movement but it also merged with the civil rights movement, women's lib and other progressive movements. I think that by now, the powers that be are truly afraid of instituting a draft at this point. It would shatter the 'calm' and reawaken the sleeping giant that is the american population, who have made it plain that they want out of Iraq. If Bush attacks Iran they might try it but at what cost to America's society? Oh and one more thing, Kent State enraged America and especially the student and anti war movement which grew dramatically. It stoked the steam not let it 'go out'.
billjv: After a period (it is a lot like tribulation) there WILL be a global movement to take down the new czars/pharaohs/corporations, and a very different set of alignments, and international agreements will bud and blossom. Getting there will not be painless or easy, and a combination of war bankrupting the US, environmental upsets, and possible violence within our own land will be impact elements for those who remain in the U.S. Certain regions will be more directly impacted than others. A different world is clamoring/laboring to be born... the birth pangs are NOT going to be gentle.
By now it should be obvious that hippies are/were self serving scum not worthy of any respect. The fact that a generation after the sixties hippies have aged and assumed the controls of power themselves, there has been no advancement in any progressive causes but lots of self-serving profiteering speaks to that more than anything I could write.
Anti-war protests are hippie. They prove nothing, they change nothing and your photo will be taken and filed with a number of law enforcement agencies as a trouble maker.
The sad truth of the matter, as revealed by the 2004 US elections is that Americans like what they have been getting. They like torture, they like no laws restricting inhuman behavior and they can send poor people's kids off to get killed month after month with only a twinge of conscience.
Hell, these days even posting a comment like this is pretty useless and the most likely result is that my IP address has been logged by some nasty agency or other rather than anything constructive.
The Baby Boomers are the bad guys these days. They are selfish, materialistic and care nothing for justice or humanity or social progress. They just want more and more for themselves. That they are starting to die from old age sticks in their craws but they can suck it long and suck it hard because there is no immortality for anyone.
There is no protesting this war. It is serving the needs of those in power so it will stay in place. Does anyone honestly believe a Democratic President will pull the troops out? Hell, no, the new President will hem and haw but the troops will be staying where they are. The new President will not give up what is seen to be a strategic advantage. They will piss on Bush but keep his policies. Typical Baby Boomer behavior.
I hate to sound like I just dropped in from the moon but I have not owned a TV set for many years and moved to Mexico a couple of years ago. What the hell is "MSM"? Is it a media outlet or an acronym?
Thanks
Drex - MSM is Main Stream Media - AP, etc.
Sad to say I really think both Siouxrose and Farbles are absolutely right!!!
Until the populace feels the need to take to the streets with leaders like Gandhi or Martin Luther King we are stuck with imperialistic military adventures as foreign policy to benefit the military/industrial complex. We ignored Eisenhower's warning to our everlasting shame. Our current policies are enforcing our economic policies worldwide by war, including torture of those opposed.
The old line from the old Pogo comic strip becomes truer and truer, day by day - "we have met the enemy and he is us".
No draft, plenty of mercenaries, and the money borrowed from the future make it so most people don't even need to be aware of the war unless they want to. Really puts a damper on any potential passion...
All that we've got to do is Stop Buying consumer goods.
If we Stop Buying, then everything shuts down.
Economic Autarky...the death knell of Globalism....
Drex: That's MainStream Media
Farbles: Your gross generalizations about hippies make me certain that you were not around during the civil rights / anti-Vietnam War era--and even more certain that your preferred recipe for political discourse is: "Start with a dash of insult, add generalizations and a little fear mongering, insult again--DO NOT ADD historical evidence, rational argument or common courtesy--then stir rapidly and simmer angrily. Yum, yum, yum.
Thank you for your enlightening and thoughtful comments.
You think rhetoric about justice will "get people into the streets?" Forget it!! Only reinstating the draft will accomplish this. Then and only then will being against war (any war, actually) reach the top of most peoples' list of priorities. Cindy Sheehan never understood that.
Mad, crazy, insane, daft; they don't need our @#$%^&* draft. So stop blaming the Bushists' young victims. These malignant fascists are bullies of OUR generation and are OUR burden to bury.
Curmudgeon, I usually feel validated when other's share my view or understand my perspective, but please do not lump me with Farbles. I really take umbrage with his vast and ugly generalization that lumps MILLIONS of people into some false demographic, "baby boomer," nonsense. Sure. Some people from that group grew up with privilege and some remained selfish; but there are just as many from that group who maintained ideals and never sold out. Given what is championed and who is given limelight to act as pulpit in America today, (conservative trends gathering like storm clouds the past 20 plus years), THOSE who come under the spotlight are hardly a fair representation of a large generation. Nor was everyone in the "greatest generation," so great. They sure got the best real estate deals... made them rich enough. They bought homes for $15,000-30,000 that sold for $500,000 and more. I won't be seeing that kind of profit. They are the ones getting all the medicare benefits now, and since the 25% is spent on prolonging life, this group is being treated very well (perhaps apart from the low income, marginal persons from THIS demographic). Truth is, making gross generalizations about enormous bodies of people is ignorant at best. The 60's were a burst of light, a short second Renaissnace and I hold to that vision EVERY day as indeed we are now in a tunnel that has all the makings of a new DARK age.
Siouxrose,
Before you talk about those on Soc Sec and Medicare check the details.
You are making gross generalizations. You need to know that the $15-30K spent for house then was the equivalent of $500K now. You are forgetting about the devaluation of the dollar over th past 40-50 years. So as you so eloquently put it, do not make vast and ugly generalizations about that of which you know not.
P.S. I was NOT lumping you with Farbles - I was only saying you each individually had spoken a truth that deserved hearing.
Remember that we are all human beings with dignity and are trying to get through this Dark ages preliminary as best we can. Before you flame seniors go talk to the ones in the majority - those that go hungry so they can pay for the drugs under the phony drug bill.
Then talk about them as if they are draining society. The fault lies with our collective guilt in NOt acting to oppose this dire situation - not blaming other victims.
Curmudgeon: Thank you for enlightening me. You are right about the FACT that many did not prosper at the degree I imagined. (I stand corrected!)
CANARDTAHITI: You make excellent points. I currently struggle with the dichotomy, to stay or not to stay, that IS the question. I also believe the paradigm will implode from within. BUT to those who have said not enough voice/action has been given to changing the status quo, that is not true. Consider the way protests on the part of millions was given shortshrift by media. There is a profound politics of marginalizing dissent. MEDIA will NOT for the most part give voice to those with eclectic novel ideas. Even in the energy business, real invention is thwarted to maintain the profits of a few at great cost to the planet's interlocking ecosystems.
Born2bwild: Thank you for mentioning the important fact that it's unwise for us to splinter on the basis of false demographics and finger-pointing. When a community faces a disaster (I am thinking of an ice storm in Maine or Vermont as symbol for this influence) they tend to work together to preserve life for all. (New Orleans was a test to this, but how many would risk going into sewage/water reeking with God knows how many industrial toxic chemicals?) That zone took the karmic blow for this nation as wake-up call. How many GOT the lesson? Since it's still business as usual, and war as profitable business, and environmental decimation to boost quarterly profits. Yep. Nature is voting for that paradigm change...
I don't think things are bad enough yet. That's one reason why people aren't raising hell and busting heads even though the public is mainly against the war.
Maybe people are waiting to see what the 2008 elections will bring.
Take all the umbrage you like at my gross generalizations. They are true.
Baby boomers make up the largest portion of the population. They are the ones actually running things now. It isn't the people who experienced World War II that are running things any more, it's their kids. The boomers are in power and it is boomer votes that put those boomers there.
If all the high ideals of all those boomers you tell me I am generalizing about or you tell me I wasn't around for meant a warm cup of spit do you think that Iraq would have happened? Iraq was never about any threat to anyone. You don't build a heavily fortified embassy to rival the Vatican and more than a dozen fortified permanent bases and kill what must be getting close to a million people out of the blue out of any progressive ideal I've ever heard about.
You want to talk about baby boomers being asses, never mind the imperial America stuff, the increasing social unravelling that is getting so bad people outside America are talking about it, the incredible decline in education and increase in ignorance so far gone that people stopped on the street think that Australia is Iraq while candidates for leadership proudly announce that they don't believe in science. How about dope laws?
Every day hundreds of otherwise law abiding people are arrested for possession of a silly weed. Millions of dollars worth of law enforcement spent on stomping out reefer madness. Jails full of people with bad lawyers caught with a spice shakers worth of weed and sentenced to years of incarcaration. A social tragedy resembling farce and one that is completely unnecessary by any objective standard.
Every person born since World War II has run into weed at some point in their lives. Many tried it themselves, but my point is that all of them know that the laws around it are far out of proportion to any real threat and that these laws cause unnecessary suffering but these laws are all still in place, aren't they?
This is just one simple example of something the boomers know about, could easily fix without any great upheaval or personal cost but do nothing about. If that is not an illustration of my point, filling for my generalizations then I don't know what would be.
farbles
born in '49, i suppose i'm one of the godforsaken b.b.s. certainly it's reasonable to expect that as a major slice of the population pie, we should be much more part of solutions than problems. many are, but for sure, many took tim leary's advice too much to heart. social responsibility scares the shit out of some of us. not to mention ptsd from nam taking a heavy toll. i don't want to cut anyone too much slack for the damage that has been done to this country - really, there's enough blame to go around amongst most everyone. but that's not the point. we've all been slowly making a difference as we get our hands dirty in the cultural compost pile. and raising the collective awareness is a big enough project that it's going to take everyone now alive and kicking, as well as the next few generations working overtime to get things growing in a healthy way. and everyone must realize by now that in this age of polarization, politization and partisan gridlock, change is going to be like sap in wintertime. but given that one's own personal agenda may not come to pass tomarrow or the next day or the next, best to live the long view - don't sweat the little stuff. still, you may want to grab that half-full glass of lemonade, and take a swig. it could be your last.
I think the passion is alive and well, although I would like to see more one has to consider what odds we are up against.
farbles is off the wall, it's always easier to be critical and lump sum everyone together.
communities the troops come from don't seem bothered enough to stop sending their children.
There you have it folks. Never mind about the White House war-hawks ; most Americans are basicly war-hawks. Maybe they pay lip service to withdrawl but how many communities have advocated desertion and financial support for those who do desert?
Yeah, I'm off the wall. Cassandra's curse was no one would believe her too.
Okay so crazy old farbles is going to make you some predictions and you can look at them later. Proof of the pudding.
Prediction #1: The incoming President, whether a Democrat or Republican, is not going to list that Fortress Baghdad embassy on Remax and find smaller digs downtown.
Prediction #2: American troops are staying in Iraq. A critical mass of infrastructure has been put in place and is not going to be abandoned.
Prediction #3: American media will get ever more skillful at the manipulation of news. Once upon a time it was considered wrong to lie about news. Maybe I'm imagining even that, it's been so long. Now news is fractured, tailored to fit its niche audience. Don't like the truth, no problem we'll simply call it a lie and make a more palatable lie truth instead.
Prediction #4: US life expectancies, average height and other metrics of social well being will show a decline over the next decade.
Prediction #5: Volunteering will continue to decline over the next decade.
So there you go. Piss on it all you like. I'm off.
'The problems that exist in the world cannot be solved by the level of thinking that created them.' -AE
protesting and anti-war sentiment is not enough. we need a revolution of consciousness.... a revolution that will lead to an entirely different paradigm, entirely different ways of living. the changes people are now advocating for are too little and too late. this war is just a small facet, a symptom of a sick world. a far greater catastrophe is upon us, and there is no stopping it. a main reason for this is that those of us capable of stimulating the changes that need to happen are either too comfortable and ingrained into our habits and patterns or we are disheartened by the seemingly insurmountable obstacles that become apparent when we really look at what is happening.
Curmudgeon99 and SiouxRose:
Eloquent comments, but I don't see any Ghandi or MLK leading America to the Promised Land and out of the encroaching fascism/ corporatist coup that began with murders of JFK, RFK, MLK...and most recently Paul Wellstone (not to mention 911).
By the age of 13 I had already devoured Sheer's "Rise&Fall of the Third Reich," which deeply impacted my thinking thereafter. That was fifty years ago.
What I have never lost sight of from Sheer's book is this: when dealing with fascist regimes (and I count the current cheney/bush regime as one), bear in mind that such sociopathic regimes are NEVER responsive to citizen protest, and even less so to citizen outrage. How else do you think Hitler, elected with only 30% of the vote, was able to cow an entire population of enlightened and reasonable Germans into either permitting or enthusiastically following his madness?
Both LBJ and Nixon had to leave office because the media and government institutions were still RESPONSIVE to citizen protest/outrage. Ghandi succeeded because British public opinion (and world opinion) became supportive of his methods and his cause. MLK/Civil Rights Movement prevailed because the administrations of Kennedy and Johnson, as well as the press and American public demanded and got reforms.
Contrary to this, the kind of Orwellian/Goebellsian fascism bushcheney have instituted is TOTALLY NON-RESPONSIVE to public outrage and protest. Worse, the media is controlled by these same war-monger/profit-driven forces. This was typical of Nazi nihilism and corporatism -- financially aided and abetted throughout the 1930s, I might add, by Grandpa Prescot Bush (later SENATOR Prescot Bush).
Face it, this bushcheney regime has been and will continue to be entirely NON-RESPONSIVE to citizen outrage/protest/demands. They have made that clear, and things will only get worse. The whoring USA media is either muzzled or flagrantly complicit. Posse Comitatus now permits military control over American citizens. Protests will be met with a military/violent response, be sure of it.
Where's the anti-war passion? Dead....like nearly a million Iraqis and thousands of US troops. Due to fear, coercion, ignorance, willful stupidity or greedy self-interest.
If American citizens, at least through their local and federal legislators, do not somehow STOP bushcheney, and if they do not DEMAND Nuremberg-style war trials for the crimes perpetrated by this regime, then the USA as a once-great nation is finished. It will fully blossom into the fascist, rogue state that bushcheney set out to implement, thanks to 911 -- oh that murderous day.
It is probably too late. That's why I moved out of the States last year. Too late...unless Americans are willing to really spill the blood of traitors (and their own blood) in taking back their nation. Good luck, you will need it. The whole world is watching.
P.S. meant to say that REVERSAL of Posse Comitatus (Patriot Act) now permits military control over US citizens in their homes and streets...
yeah, don't despair, in all probability events will go horribly wrong and out of control at some point and then we won't have the luxury of pent up rage and despair. Of course it's not possible to put a finger on what it is that will cause that turn of events.
historically we are waiting for that tipping point. and as in ages past, life will force many of us to take a stand, meaning we will have to go out in the streets, fields, and wherever, and make ourselves heard.
You can see it coming. . .it's kind of more obvious all the time.
In the meanwhile, it seems to me that the lines have been drawn in the sand.
EstimatedProphet:
Unfortunately, your new paradigm will only grow from the ashes of immense catastrophe. American masses will not recognize the futility of continuing their current paradigm unless they are forced to do so -- in the wake of terrible upheaval.
Remember, after WWII the idealists of this world were certain a new paradigm, a new era of brotherhood would flourish from the disaster of Europe and Asia. This did not happen, corporatists saw to it.
Farbles, I won't piss on it but I will take a nice shit, bury it and culture a beautiful peace rose for you.
Vic Anderson is right - it's the fascist construct of ours we need to deal with, which includes the players of the sadist and the "little man" with their character structures.
The sadist must be swept from office because they receive to much illusionary benefit from their actions. But how to approach the little man.
I say by breaking through the mass stream perception on freedom in Iraq, the al qaeda threat and the air raid massacre taking place (not perceived at all).
If the actual privatization in the name of freedom, the fact that the relationship of the US to al qaeda was the same as Iraq's, and the horrors of the civilian slaughter at the hands of the Blackwater and dynacorp mercenaries and most mercilessly the bombs from air, could get into the mobs consciousness then enough of them would be able to move through their little man armor to do the needed deeds.
But how to do? I will be submitting some ideas with in the commentary of Silence of the Bombs from Norman Soloman.
Money talks.
Please, please, please no draft. Yes, it would make things more equitable in some ways, but unless it is a true no exceptions draft, the priviledge, as you were in 1967 (yes, you were and you know it), will find a way out and the poor will still be drafted at a higher rate. You are correct that we need to see anti-war passion among the young, but really, is subjecting thousands of them to forced death in criminal wars really worth bulking up the protest lines? We graybeards need to do a better job of educating and motivating our young people. We are the reason they are not passionate against these wars; we have taught them to be more concerned about career and portfolio than the state of their polity or their world; we taught them to focus only on their own well-being and, by extension not to exert effort for matters that do not directly affect them. Not by intention, or even by words, and not likely many or most reading this, but we as a group have demonstrated self- and matter-regarding living as the way; and only we can change that.
What needs to happen is angry fed-up Americans, million of them, physically getting out in the streets, being loud and disruptive, demanding an end to the war and impeachment of Bush-Cheney. That means being tear-gassed and clubbed by riot cops, maybe going to jail. I don't like it but I don't think anything else will work. The Democrats have abandoned us.
Aaaah Badminton, well said!!!
Things will change only when the populace is as alienated and hopeless as an average Palestinian trying to take care of his family.
Then they may :
STAND UP - for what they beleive to be right.
SIT DOWN - in the nearest street to bring transportaion, retail, everything to a standstill.
FIGHT - I hope like Gandhi's Pathan friend Sardar Bahadar Khan (check him out)
FIGHT - Even if it means sacrifice to themselves to totally repudiate the oligarchy
When people realize that they cannot ignore the actions of the government and relaize they themselves are the governmet, only then is change possible..
Shane - way back at the top - very well said. I have no dog in this fight: have served my enlistment long ago, my boys not likely to be drafted, no extended family member in uniform, but I vehemently oppose this war and all wars that are not acts of defense against aggression.
badminton: I'm coming to the same conclusion but am afraid that there will be so few of us that we will be clubbed and incarcerated in anonymity (as in the whole world is NOT watching) so that our consciences may be clear but our fellow citizens won't even be aware of what's happening.
Perhaps the most effective large protests should happen at the so-called "nominating" conventions, rather than trying to organize purely peace protests that stand alone. After all, the media will already be there like flies on shit (how perfectly poetic.) This time though the barbed-wire enclosed "protest areas" should be smashed both for the symbolic effect and the rational cause.
Bush/Cheney are dingleberries on the fascist beast's ass. Lots more where they came from. To fight the beast, we have to exchange the corrupt representative system that sustains it for direct democracy:
http://www.gravel2008.us/
http://www.gp.org/
mea culpa ...
Gandhi's friend was Badshar Khan(Khan Abdul Ghaffar Khan), a Pathan nonviolent Muslim
"To me nonviolence has come to represent a panacea for all the evils that surround my people. Therefore I am devoting all my energies toward the establishment of a society that would be based on its principles of truth and peace." – Khan Abdul Ghaffar Khan
"Today's world is traveling in some strange direction. You see that the world is going toward destruction and violence. And the specialty of violence is to create hatred among people and to create fear. I am a believer in nonviolence and I say that no peace or tranquility will descend upon the people of the world until nonviolence is practiced, because nonviolence is love and it stirs courage in people." – Khan Abdul Ghaffar Khan to an interviewer in 1985
Hey John Buell...
You didn't have to write an entire article with the title asking "Where's the anti-war passion" to get the answer everyone knows.
Millions of Americans, working stiffs and students alike, are antiwar.
What you should do is ask all those congressional Democrats who are supposedly in a position to act on our wants and demands. Ask THEM where the antiwar passion is!!!