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Democrats in Washington Want To Keep Impeachment Off The Table
WASHINGTON - The push to impeach President Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney is gaining a hearing in some parts of the country, but not in Washington.
More than 70 cities and 14 state Democratic parties have urged impeachment or investigations that could lead to impeachment. The most common charge is that Bush manipulated intelligence to lead the country into the Iraq war. Other charges include spying on Americans and torturing suspected terrorists in violation of U.S. and international law.
Most recently, the Massachusetts Democratic Party voted to push impeachment of both men. The 2,500 state convention delegates voted almost unanimously against Cheney; the vote against Bush was closer.
Massachusetts' Democratic Party thus joined 13 others on the investigate-or-impeach bandwagon, including: Alaska, California, Colorado, Hawaii, Maine, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Mexico, North Carolina, Oregon, Vermont, Washington and Wisconsin.
Among the cities and towns, the largest and most recent is Detroit, where the city council voted 7-0 this month to urge Congress to impeach Bush and Cheney for "intentionally misleading Congress and the public regarding the threat from Iraq in order to justify the war."
"There's a lot growing in support," said Tim Carpenter, the director of the liberal group Progressive Democrats of America. "Whether Congress will respond, that's another question."
Indeed. The Democrats who run Congress have no interest in impeaching Bush or Cheney, despite pressure from their party's base outside the Beltway.
It's noteworthy that impeachment pressure is coming from the home states of the two Democratic leaders in Congress, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi of California and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada.
Pelosi said last year that impeachment "is off the table." Under the Constitution, the House impeaches; the Senate then decides whether to convict and remove from office.
It's also interesting that one of the resolutions came from Detroit, home to Rep. John Conyers, who as the chairman of the House Judiciary Committee would lead any impeachment hearings.
The Detroit resolution was co-authored by Monica Conyers, the congressman's wife. But she hasn't had any noticeable clout at home: Conyers said last year that he wasn't interested in impeachment - just oversight investigations - and he hasn't changed his stand.
There are both policy and political reasons that Democratic leaders are risking the anger of their base.
One is that some don't see an impeachable offense in what Bush has done, what the Constitution calls "high crimes and misdemeanors." They might find such evidence in any of the many congressional investigations, but they haven't yet.
Another is that they fear a political backlash from voters similar to the one that punished Republicans after they impeached Bill Clinton. One factor on the side of the pro-impeachment crowd: Clinton was much more popular than Bush.
The third is that they're eager to keep Bush and Cheney around as punching bags for Democratic candidates in the 2008 campaign.
"The political lens they're looking through is the 2008 election," Carpenter said. "They want to see Bush and Cheney dangling so the election is a referendum on them. That is not the correct lens."
To him, the right lens is the last election, when voters threw the Republicans out of power in Congress. Those people, he said, now want Bush and Cheney out.
"There is a groundswell here," Carpenter said. "Pelosi says it's off the table. It's our role to put it on the table."
© 2007 McClatchy Newspapers
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'Democrat Party' is what Republicans and Republicans-in-disguise call the Democratic Party.
'Lefty' is a typical Republican jargon.
Read between the lines.
One of the main objectives of the 2008 Republican election agenda is to get Democrats to vote for the Green Party and split the vote for Republican victory.
Read your American history, and from something besides a corporate-produced and edited textbook.
FACT: A Green Party presidential candidate WILL NOT WIN an election 1 year from now.
FACT: A Green Party candidate will suck votes away from the Democratic Party just like it did when our country was stolen from President Gore's leadership.
FACT: A vote for a Green in the upcoming elections is the same as a vote for the Republican Party.
Get Real, and don't listen to the Hawhaw hucksters planted to divide and conquer.
The 'leadership' of the Democratic Party is only interested in perpetuating the objectives of the incumbents' major donors rather than those of the majority of the incumbents' supporting voters'. Unfortunately, the biggest donors to incumbent Democrats are likely to also be big (perhaps,bigger) donors to the Republican Party candidates. Such a hypothetical situation is consistent with the current situation in which Pelosi has put impeachment off the table. Thus, the competition is all about egos/objectives of the incumbent Democrats, rather than about what is good for America. Before anything positive can happen, a viable third party will have to come into existence in the USA. It appears irrational to pretend that there is a significant difference between the two current major political parties.
no matter what happens, bush walks. so does cheney and all the rest of the privaleged. pardons all around.
I had a thought while reading all of these comments. I thought that I should go to the voter registration office and change my designation from Democrat to Independent (or even republican).
What would be the Dems response if thousands...or millions...of Dems did the same thing. They may be beholding to the corporations for money but they still need voter support to get elected. At the same time, we could contact our representatives to inform them of our actions and the reasoning behind them. We will not vote democrat until they start to act responsibly and start representing our interests.
It goes without saying that no money be contributed to these betrayers of the voting public.
Does this make sense?
Funky P
DO NOT VOTE.
Let the Rethugs get re-elected - how much worse can it get?
Toss every single WEAK-WILLED Democrat from office. Let this be the least-participated election in history.
Come 2010 our choices will NOT be between the LAZY, GOOD-FOR-NOTHING Dems and Republicans, but honest people seeking office FOR THE FIRST TIME.
If you do vote - VOTE OUT THE INCUMBANT REGARDLESS OF PARTY.
If they held office, THEY ARE CRIMINAL. Politicians seek only re-election. Re-election costs money. Money comes from the corporate interests that run our government. (Those corporations, like GE for instance, SOLD US THE WAR, stop conversation on climate change and dope us with pharmaceuticals so that we can "sleep." Ambien anyone?)
There is NO difference between a Republican and a Democrat. The exact same things take place. Look at your Democratic Senators voting record for proof. My Senator is Ken Salazar. He has a worse voting record than Joe Lieberman. nuff said. Why would I vote for him to keep a "Republican" out of office? I get the SAME result!!!
NO INCUMBANT VOTES!!!
Peace to you and yours.
- iolellity
My point is that the the election WILL be stolen. Not by the dems or repubs but by the corporatists who pull their strings. Another win by the repubs at this point would tip the scales and cause widespread political unrest of a scale this country has rarely seen since the civil war if not outright revolution or civil war. Therefore the dems have to win and will, but only a dem that is in their back pocket and who will obediently further their agenda of crushing anyone and everyone who stands between them and increased profits and control.
You'll see some piddling reforms like miserley minimum wage increases. After all what does an extra 50 cents an hour really matter when you have double digit inflation and you can easily close shop and employ near slave labor with impunity. Also, it won't be long before we are sued under the WTO for even HAVING a minimum wage and therefore interfering with corporate profitability. And if they aren't able to ramrod Hillary into the being the dem candidate for president then they always have Obama in place as a back up.
I honestly think there may be 6-12 people in the senate and congress who are honest servants to the people and who are doing what they think is right even if I totally disagree with them on many or even most points.
I personally believe the constitution is a great foundation for a just society or at least a solid beginning for one but it needs some teeth - some way to hold our so called representatives accountable when they betray their oaths to it. I'm not saying I have all the answers and careful study and consideration should be taken in adding to it but we definately need a few changes.
The way its going we will be lucky,damn lucky to see 2008...
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The only way
Buy new, only what you must.
Buy local produce to support Americans in your community.
Buy from small American owned businesses only.
Buy used and vintage items from other Americans through yard sales, ebay, and auctions.
Recycle everything you can.
Burn as little fuel as possible.
The only way
Frigging pols!
" They fear political backlash from voters similar to the
one that punished Republicans after they impeached Bill Clinton". Come again? Hey Mr.Thomma, you may wanna check your facts befor you present yourself as some sort of political wonk.The Republicans actually GAINED seats in Congress after they impeached Clinton. History actually tells us that there is no backlash when providing constitutional oversight. They gained seats with a purely partisan witch hunt, imagine the response when violations of the constitution ( Supported by 76% of the country)are legally addressed using constitutional provisions that are provided . Check hike?
It's as simple as this folks. Bush used his illegal wiretaps to spy on the Democratic leadership. There is absolutely no other reason why he would not have gotten approval through the FISA courtss.
Just like he used the CIA to send a warning to the democrats after 9-11 in the form of anthrax powder. Gee, isn't it interesting people stopped talking about that awful fast and no one was ever found to be responsible?
The Democratic leadership, like Democratic voters, have been caged.
They understand if any of them seriously try to Impeach anyone in the Bush administration...someone close to them will die.
You think this is some kind of game people?
BTW, the answer is that the Democrats are hypocrites. This is by design with the way their party has been structured and organized since the late 1980's.
Somewhere around 1988 to 1990, the Democrats decided to abandon their old New Deal coalition. Instead, they started to suck up to big money just like the Republicans. Nowadays, the party is beholden to the same big money interests. Maybe they vary just a bit, with the oil industry on the Republican side and the trial lawyers on the Democratic side. But basically both parties are entirely concerned only with people or groups who can give them large amounts of money.
Both parties are then hypocrites in what they say. Both basically lie to voters about what they will do in office. The Republicans lie to the social conservatives, pledging support for causes they know they'll never implement. And the Democrats are the same. They still need that old New Deal coalition to keep voting for them. But the leadership of the party clearly does not support the issues that these voters support.
This has been true for awhile, certainly during the Clinton years. Bill Clinton's real skill was that he could talk like a lefty while governing for Wall Street. This was clear immediately after the election, when all of his pledges to help people and "its the economy stupid" went out the window the day after the election in favor of what Wall Street and Rubin told him to do. Thus we got the first 'jobless recovery'. And we got NAFTA, Welfare Reform, WTO, war in Yugoslavia, logging riders, etc, etc, etc.
So, the answer is "Yes, the Democrats are hypocrites". They have no intention of listening to their base, or doing anything that benefits their base beyond the bare minimum they need to do to keep the idiots who don't know better voting them back into office.
Everything you've seen in the last few months about Iraq has been hypocritical. Remember, both Reid and Pelosi promised in the national corporate media on the day after the last election that they would make sure Bush's war funding was not cut or limited in any way. Everything since has been theater just to fool voters into thinking they really opposed the war when they had already pledged full support. If its not hypocritical to be taking phony votes they knew wouldn't mean anything to pretend to oppose the war, while all the time working to fulfill their pledge to fully fund the war, I don't know what is.
It would be funny if people weren't dying because of this. Like their failure to 'protect and defend the Constitution of the US' would be funny if it wasn't our rights and freedoms being given away by all of this.
Do not vote Democrat in 2008!
I'm probably working and donating and voting Green. But pick any decent honest party (ie, not Democrat or Republican), and help them out! And what we really should do is to combine some of those campaigns to get one clear alternative on the ballot to Corporate Party A (ie Republicans) and Corporate Party B (ie Democrats).
But, unless you just really love the government we have to day with a President acting unconstitutionally and bipartisan support for more and more war, DO NOT VOTE DEMOCRAT IN 2008!
dafairley said:If Congress doesn't impeach Bush and Cheney I'm afraid we're headed down the slippy-slidey road to a dictatorship. With his signing statements, his illegal spying, his illegal torture, his violation of the most basic principles of justice including habeas corpus, George Bush hasn't just put a toe over the line, he's erased it.Read this to know how close we really are to a dictatorship:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/05/20070509-12.html
Bush will likely provoke an "attack" from Iran, which will give him an ecuse to respond "in kind", and in the ensuing chaos here and abroad declare martial law.
Given the Democratic complicity in continuing the war, the recent drive by both parties to turn to the "alternative" fuel, coal, instead of finding a sensible (survivable!) energy policy, the policies to protect pharmaceutical companies from the fallout of the harm they've done in shooting mercury into our children...I think we should put impeachment on the table for ALL of them, top to bottom.
Let's also not forget the Baby Limbaughts who log in to liberal blogs and make strategic comments they think will demoralize the 'opposition'.
An old old trick in psychological warfare.
'Impeach the dems'...Sounds like Rush Hawhaw or one of his mercenaries.
As for having now where else to go: We can always go to our polling place and vote Green or Libertarioan or Socilist or Populist in order to break the duopoly or we could just go fishing, with the same end in mind.
I suspect impeachment isn't really off of the table, just off of the table for now. If you're an incumbent democrat, you're looking at some pretty grim prospects right now.
The last 6 years have left a shambles in both the domestic and international policy arenas. Now that the dems have assumed majority, they have been handed a proverbial 10 pounds of monkeypoo in a 5 pound bag. For many of the problems that they are facing, there is no easy solution.
It is my suspicion that impeachment is still on the table -- you can't just rush into something though, declaring your intention to find the subject of your investigation to be guilty. Imagine a police detective declaring that a suspect was guilty and that he would now build a case around available evidence - it would be entirely improper and counterproductive to that effort.
Gonzalez is the key. They need to have the support of the justice department I think. Under Nixon, the functioning of the justice depaartment was a lot healthier than it is now. I suspect that it is not coincidence that they seem to be circling around Gonzalez and that he's been so committed to staying in spite the seeming potlitical advantage for the white house to be gained by his departure.
Additionally, I think the dems are planning on making impeachment an issue for the 2008 election cycle which is still (sort of) far off on the horizon. Make an issue of it now and the public will be so sick of hearing about it - beyond the legal and ethical obligations to uphold the constitution, why play your hole card so early in the game.
Its also worth remembering that many of the things that the dems need to do to get us back on track are directly contrary to the interests of their corporate paymasters - people who's support is a virtual requirement for them to keep their jobs come next election. Its not like they are all that much different than their colleagues across the isle. Bill Clinton was a republican in a donkey costume. Both parties serve at the pleasure of hyperglobalmegacorp, two heads of the same menacing hydra.
The bizarre behavior of Democractic legislators could be explained by 2 possible facts:
1) They are hypocrites... which I personally do not believe.
2) The Republicans are using techniques of coercion and blackmail to pressure their votes.
Let's not forget Watergate and what it was about... wiretapping, spying, gathering information to slander and blackmail (and some of that in Iran-Contra, too). We all know Bush is worse than Nixon, and not very imaginative, and technology is light years beyond what it was 30-35 years ago.
How else do we have Fake Elections, certain politicians who flip to the opposite ideologically, and Democratic legislators who keep approving blatantly anti-democratic Privatization bills which are destroying our democracy by chopping up the national commonwealth and handing it over to oligarchs?
Telecommunications are increasingly under the monopoly control of right-wing corporations who are either pro-Bush, or were pro-Bush until they decided they didn't like his image any more... but their ideology and mode are still the same (AT&T then and now, HQ now in Texas)
It is very likely that nearly all communications among politicians are being monitored and used by the Republican Party to use by their well-funded propaganda machine not only to push lies in the media, but also monitor, warp, and intervene in any communication they choose.
If this sounds outrageous, look in to who gets government telecommunications contracts and how much privatization has left publicly-elected officials out of the power to control or monitor government communications.
He who owns and controls the phone lines or internet connections (even airwaves, which can be easily monitored with the appropriate radio equipment) has access to all information, and the capacity to sabotage agreements, gather personal information to embarrass, humiliate, or coerce.
We may be dealing with a 21st century Watergate on a much more sophisticated level.
Plus psychological warfare that includes not only Christian Fascist demagogues, but also high-pressure lobbyists and corporate spies in the employ of the Republican Party who are skilled at getting what they want by hook or by crook.
So Dubya can kill people via a war that should have never happened, lie to the American public over and over again, and the Democrats aren't budging on impeachment even though there is growing support to put Bush and Cheney in their place.
And Bill Clinton gets head from an intern and DOES get impeached.
LIES, WAR, INNOCENT DEATH, ENVIRONMENTAL FIASCO, KOWTOWING TO CORPORATE INTERESTS, BIG OIL, WAR HAWKS = Bush OK
FELLATIO = Clinton not OK
Bush = brain-dead, alcoholic, coke-head rich kid who can barely speak the English language
Clinton = articulate, educated Rhodes scholar with genuine charisma
Can the American people please get a grip. As usual, this makes absolutely no sense in any way. People really need to get their priorities straight.
I'm lining up now to impeach the dems in 2008!
Have ya'll forgotten the House seat is only for 2 years? A new political party is a non starter, warning Pelosi, and the corporate Dems they will be voted out is out best option.I have put Ms Pelosi on notice of this 4x, and will do so more each time she votes against our wishes.I encourage all to write the Dems, and remind them we can vote you out, and we WILL, if you continue to ignore us.They are our representatives, not the corporations.It is better to find candidates that will vote for US, not for the Corps, and vote the traitors to our votes for them, why their terms are only 2 years.Write your Dem leadership , and representative if you have one that is voting against your wishes, and put them on notice, and keep reminding them.Meanwhile we need to find people dedicated to us, and have then run for Congress for us.Do it today!
The Democrats are dead. They lack clout, courage, and interest. Further, they exhibit no interest in or compassion for the people who elected them expecting action and change. I can only assume that this is the result of the powers of Bush, who obviously cannot be defeated, and who can and will freely and fearlessly name an heir to his office in 2008. I suspect congress, too, wil revert to the republicans. In the current environment, my vote is a waste of time and energy.
I've voted for a Democrat for many years. No more. I'll never vote for any of those chicken-shit bastards again.
As a young man I gave a lot of thought to the question: "how did Germany, with an educated public by the standards of the day, allow itself to slip into a fascist State? Not only a fascist state but one bent on genocide". Unfortunately I have the answer as I watch the United States beg to go there consumed with hate and fear mixed with apathy.
Cindy Sheehan is right about the Democrats and their virulent supporters. We need to move beyond the two-party shellgame.
We need an immediate regime change here at home. I walked in the voting booth with impeachment in my heart and I was not alone. Apparently, the Democratic Party, just like their Republican counterparts, does not want to acknowledge the will of the people.
Impeach, now!
It sort of looks like the Dems are doing what we accuse the Repubs of doing - putting politics above the good of the country. Pelosi et al want Bushco around for the 08 election, but the question is can this country stand 18 months more of Bush - and can the world?! Impeach Bush!
If Congress doesn't impeach Bush and Cheney I'm afraid we're headed down the slippy-slidey road to a dictatorship. With his signing statements, his illegal spying, his illegal torture, his violation of the most basic principles of justice including habeas corpus, George Bush hasn't just put a toe over the line, he's erased it.
Bush and Company clearly believe not that they are above the law but that they ARE the law.
Unfortunately, far from fighting this power grab, the Congress is aiding and abetting it, especially with the Military Commissions Act which gives der President the power to declare any of us "illegal combatants" and strip us of our most fundamental human rights.
The Democrats are in power, yet on this as on so many other issues, they are unwilling to confront our criminal president. I can only conclude that they are waiting their turn. Apparently Pelosi, Clintons, Reid, Obama, and the rest of the Democratic Party leadership believe that dictatorship is just fine as long as they are the dictators.
Starting to look like the Democrats in DC were selected "from above" to come there, rather than sent "from below" by their constituents. Look at who they're serving, who they're protecting, versus who they ignore. A two-party system would be a "luxury" at this point.
Might be past-time to make sure that the primary voting systems don't have an awful lot of monkeybusiness about them. If such is the case, it may well be that the very concept of voting is the problem -- designed to stifle, rather than facilite, popular will.
I can't believe I am writing this, as opposed to just thinking it - as I have been for quite some time - but I am more than prepared to utilize my vote AGAINST the Democratic Party, simply to prove a point. That doesn't mean I will vote Green, or any other party as an alternative to the Dems. What it means is that I am - at this point - leaning toward voting for the most viable Republican candidate! Why? Because perhaps what America needs is another Republican. It took Bush Jr. to screw up this country enough to finally get the majority of the people behind real change, but that wasn't enough to convince the crusaders of mediocrity who are running for the presidency!
Maybe if we actually threaten to vote for their opposition, and follow through with that vote if they do not shape up and answer our call, the consequences will cause the country to enter a state of chaos, exactly what it will take for the tyrannical right wing machine to finally be beaten.
I, for one, am so sick and tired of the gutless sycophants who no longer understand what America stands for, that I am willing to use my vote in a virtually terrorist sort of way, threatening to vote in a certain way to elicit the proper reaction from our would-be leaders.
Dear Rep. Pelosi and Sen. Reid,
IT'S THE CONSTITUTION, STUPID!
Sincerely,
ExDem (and there are more and more of us every minute)
The difference is the media. The media is not critical enough to get Congress scrambling.
When the soap-operalike saga of Clinton and the stain in the blue dress came out, the media were ALL OVER it.
Great posts siouxrose and RichM!
Corporate-fascism didn't happen overnight.
Ralph Nader certainly understood what was happening and warned us.
The corruption of this administration must be prosecuted -- either by impeachment or in the courts. The corrupt principles and precedents of this administration cannot be allowed to stand.
We need IRV voting -- and a total ban on any participation by corporations in our elections.
And -- an end to electronic voting machines and VOTESCAM would also be a good start.
I can't blame Cindy Sheehan one iota as I am also disgusted with the Democratic party as well for caving in to Bush and his family of thieves.
It's OK to institute impeachment proceeding against a President who had a fling with a consenting intern of legal age yet not against Bush and Cheney and their ilk who are responsibles for the deaths of thousands of our own Military not to mention the innocent Iraqi's.
Where in the Hell is the justice here? If nothing else, they should be tried before a World Court in the Hague and be forced to answer for their crimes against the human race.
Bush and his band are no much better than the Nazi's of WW2 who stood trial in Nuremberg and
were held accountable for their acts and the same thing should apply to these lying law breakers.
Good points DeFairley, Restore Democracy & CO marc... can't you hear Marvin Gaye singing, "What's Going On?"...
Here's the hypocrisy:
- NAFTA, Welfare Reform, WTO, war in Yugoslavia were started under George Bush I and left for Bill Clinton to grapple with. - Eisenhower started the Indochina war covertly and then left Kennedy to take the blame and deal with the mess.
- CIA Republicans made the deal to keep the hostages in Iran and then blame Carter - Numerous proactive bills were passed during the Reagan disaster and left for Democrats to spend all their energy counterbalancing later on - The Republicans are doing everything they can, once again, to disillusion Democratic voters, split the vote, and pave the way for more Republican political victories.
- The Green Party in some countries has turned into a party of pro-corporates in environmentalist clothing... as in Germany, and increasingly more here. The California Green Party is even staffed with former Nazis at its helm - there's where you need to look for hypocrites.
- Republicans are campaigning to get Democrats to vote Green because when the elections come around, it keeps Republicans voting for one candidate, and Democrats splintered to lose. This is how Schwazinazi stole California, how Gore lost, and how Nixon won.
And you know it, CIAMarc.
Who says the Dems are not an effective opposition party and that they won't fight hard?
They've been opposing and fighting their own state officeholders who are trying to put impeachment back on the table.
They fight Ralph Nader.
They fight Cindy Sheehan.
They fight the Green Party.
They fight the people who elected them to office.
Too bad they they don't fight the Damn Republicans with as much dedication and singleness of purpose.
Once again COMarc is correct. The Dems are a bunch of hypocrites.
Never has a political party been handed so much ammunition by the other party. Now watch the Dems shoot themselves in the foot with it!
Another ex-Democrat
Impeach Cheney! Impeach Bush!
The Democratic leadership remembers what happened to the Kennedys, Martin Luther King, Mel Carnahan, Paul Wellstone and others.
Half of the D's leadership are complicit, the other half are silenced.
www.oilempire.us/jfk.html
www.prouty.org
www.theassassinations.com
THE ASSASSINATIONS
Probe Magazine on JFK, MLK, RFK and Malcolm X
Edited by James DiEugenio and Lisa Pease
"The cumulative effect of these assassinations is quite clear. They resulted in the death of the old Democratic Party and the birth of the new Jimmy Carter-Bill Clinton-Al Gore Democratic Party. ....
"Imagine if you can, that if in the mid-1980s, at the height of the GOP Revolution, Ronald Reagan, Pat Robertson, Newt Gingrich, and George Bush Sr., had all been assassinated in the space of five years. Would the Republicans and the media not suspect something more than coincidence or happenstance? Would their party and their causes be able to sustain the loss? Would Dan Quayle and Bob Dole have been able to pick up the baton? Would history not have been quite different? Certainly, the Democrats were not able to sustain the loss. Nothing comparable filled the gap, nothing even came close. So the constellation fell from the sky and without any pressure from the left, our public debate shifted slowly, inexorably to the right."
-- p. 635, 638
I think this shows how utterly confused Democrat politicians are about the current situation, either that, or they are all cynics. It could be argued that with the current balance of power impeachment is unlikely, but I would say that we're talking more of cowardice and lack of vision. If one cannot make a convincing case for impeachment with the lies and distortion so far, I don't know what will. We need leaders, not jaded political players.
There is a way to expand the support for impeachment and pressure the Democratic leadership at the same time. Demand that the Democrats in Congress not give one more dime for the war until we find out the truth about how the Bush administration lied us into the war. Practically speaking, this means expanding and deepening the investigations into their lies about Iraq and Al Queda, and weapons of mass destruction; and making these investigations the number one priority for Congressional oversight. Issue subpoenas for testimony and documents; and don't give them any more money for the war unless they comply. Their lies have killed hundreds of thousands; and their refusal to tell the truth now will make them responsible when the troops aren't funded. A poll more than a year ago showed that a majority of voters would support impeachment if it were proved that Bush lied about the reasons the U.S. invaded Iraq. Just demanding impeachment in the face of this cowardice on the part of the leadership will not get us very far. We need a strategic approach that will help create public opinion in favor of impeachment hearings. It is time to stop simply complaining about their cowardice. Make them face a demand for a course of action that they have said they will do! And these should be televised hearings, under oath - subpoena Bush and Cheney. This is a strategic demand on the Democrats that can be backed up by local resolutions, by city councils, state legislatures; and hopefully by civil disobedience in Congresspeople's offices. This should not be in place of continued organizing to cut off funding to the war and for impeachment; but be seen as a way to bridge the two.
There are sound reasons not to seek to remove the most dysfunctional president in history via the most dysfunctional clause in the Constitution. The task of Congress at this moment in history is to end the war in Iraq and redress the innumerable assaults on the Constitution under this administration. The word "impeachment" has an almost magical ring to it, but it is a cumbersome process that may show the door to the president and vice-president, but will not do anything at all to undo their handiwork. Impeachment proceedings customarily begin in the House Judiciary Committee, and while procedures are far more free-wheeling than those in a federal court, the necessary focus will always be on just two men -- and not the nature and extent of each harm and how to address it.
So you think Congress can do both, hmmm? Think again. An attempted impeachment of a president (it works pretty well against federal judges) will drive all partisans to their home corners. The Republicans we need to build coalitions to act against this war will not lightly do so in the midst of impeachment-related hearings and investigations.
And please stop referring to impeachment as if it were the only response of an alarmed citizenry to a despotic president. Congress has many tools -- separate tools for separate ills -- and should surely have more courage in using them. (Hooray for my state's delegation, all of whom voted against the war supplemental.) But the chief beneficiary of impeachment proceedings would be the planners of the Bush revolution and the enablers of this war. Find your issue -- the war, habeas corpus, the NSA eavesdropping, the politicization of the Justice Department, the campaign to keep people of color from the polls -- and get to work on it. It will be hard, frustrating, time-consuming work.
Or you can go with impeachment -- it feels so good; it will do so little.
The Impeachment Clause was based on English law and practice at a time when Parliament had too few tools to use against a head-strong monarch. As Parliament gained in strength, impeachment declined. There has not been one in the United Kingdom since 1806. If I thought for a moment that impeachment would restore the Constitution and repair the Republic, my name would be at the top of the petition. It will not bring us out of the mess we are in. Only hard work and organization, issue-by-issue will do that.
Are you ready?
Note to Restore Democray: The republicans don't need to try too hard to demoralize and demotivate Democratic voters. The Democrats are doing a great job of that all by themselves.r
The Green Party should maybe be courting Gore to run. Not that Gore is perfect, but he's apparently got 44% of Americans supporting his candidacy--and he could run almost exclusively on the global-warming issue. It would therefore be a good way to make a third party viable. (Unfortunately, Gore has a loyalty problem--in his case, TOO loyal to the Democrats.)
Not impeaching war criminals is making members of congress accessories after the fact. I can't vote for accessories to war crimes of any party.
Well, what to say? As a recent x-democrat, I can only hope for a viable third party. At this point even a non-viable third party will probably get my vote in 2008 just as an exercise in the historic feel of voting.
I really didn't expect miracles from a Democratic majority, but I didn't expect such craven acquiescence either. Impeachment off the table? No forced withdrawal? Someone tell what difference it has made to have the Dems in office.
Okay, maybe I'm naive but I actually just received an email from a friend who is frantically contacting everyone she knows about a sudden new phone tally being recorded at none other than Speaker Nancy Pelosi's office. Apparently the House Dem leadership is taking phone calls to see if there is enough outrage and interest by the public to IMPEACH BOTH BUSH AND CHENEY. It could be nothing...then again, it could be the beginning. I'm one of the loudest complainers about the wimpy congressional Dems but I'm going to try it anyway. At this point, anything's worth a try. Here's the phone number that was sent to me. Speaker Pelosi's office: 202-225-0100