>>considering the level of American education

I do not know much about American education not having been to any American educational institutions. Is it possible that you have made an assumption which was incorrect? Is it therefore possible that you have made other assumptions about people here that are wrong?

>>Well, I am a surprise for you, Andrew. Clearly, you didn't expect me here.
to be here.

You are not a surprise for me. I have come across responses like this before.

>>maybe they teach about the dhimmis (history) only in post-doctoral programs.

Sorry to disappoint you, but they taught me this in high school. I would stop making assumptions if I were you.

"The author forgets one thing. Since Israel came into being, It has had to deal with countries and organizations committed to its destruction. If they would leave Israel alone, this wouldn't happen. We should be boycotting the Arab countries that are committed to Israel's destruction."

The author forgets this and many other things.
Similarly, Andrew and the others just forget this and ... the dhimmis, for example.
Lies, distortions, omissions, manipulations, double standards, singling out ... you name it.

Thank you AD, for dropping a mask for a moment, and showing
a true face of "anti-Zionism."

"Jaded, I am a devoted Muslim, and I am appalled by your unfair treatment of Israel. Jaded, try to t h i n k, t h i n k. I know it's difficult for you, but try. You don't criticize other governments - it's a fact, but you criticize Israel only - a fact. What can it mean? T h i n k, t h i n k. OK, I'll help you: A N T I S E M I T I S M"

Drop the crack pipe and step away from the keyboard... nice and slow.

A boycott only on the Jewish state, while ignoring other countries who do similar or much worth things, sometimes by a factor of 1000 (Such as USA, UK, Sudan etc) is falling under pure and simple antisemitism.

European Monitoring Center on Racism and Xenophobia (EUMC) who is now known as the EU Agency for Fundamental Rights (FRA) wrote a document that helps identify antisemitism.

http://eumc.europa.eu/eumc/material/pub/AS/AS-WorkingDefinition-draft.pdf

The writer Yvonne Roberts, failed in the following contents:
"- Applying double standards by requiring of it (The Jewish state) a behavior not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation.
However, criticism of Israel similar to that leveled against any other country cannot be regards as antisemitic."

Well... I don't see him offering to boycott China for their actions in Tibet. Nor do I hear him suggesting not to buy British and American products for what they do in Iraq, or Sudanic Oil. The only difference is probably because the other countries are not Jews enough for him.

Will some know it all Jew or Muslim please help me? You see, I'm an anti-semite. I never thought I was until thousands of jews hammered home the fact that criticism of Isreal is anti-semitism, but you finally convinced me. I now realise that Jews (who are apparently psychic), and certain giant brained pro-Isreal psychic muslims know what I'm thinking much better than I do.

This however leaves me a bit confused. You see, I simply don't know how to stop hating Jews. I tried - I really did. I stopped critisizing Isreal completely, then I was talking to somebody about the abysmal suffering caused by the diamond trade and I suddenly realized, Uh oh, there it is again. I changed the subject quickly not wanting to fall back into my worst anti-semitic habits.

I then started talking about how nice it is to not watch television anymore but then I thought "Seinfeld" and realized that not watching television anymore was just a sub-conscious ploy of my Jew hating psyche convincing me to initiate a stealth boycott of Jewish actors and comedians. Not wanting everyone to realise my rampant anti-semetism I jumped up screaming "Jew hater" and pointing at the bar tender as a distraction and then ran away.

I redoubled my efforts, bought a new big screen plasma TV and started feeling better immediately. The feeling didn't last for long of course. Eventualy I found myself talking to my local bar tender about what an ugly piece of junk the AMC Gremlin was when suddenly - you guessed it - I suddenly realized that I once new a guy in high school that drove an AMC Gremlin named Josh Greenbaum, doh!

Would one of you giant brained psychic Jews or Muslims please tell me what I CAN safely criticise that doesn't have a Jewish connection so I don't fall back into my old habits again. Burmese basket weavers named Jeff? Yellow ties with clowns on them? Anything?

Being intellectually superior psychic Jews and Muslims I'm sure you can tell me. Also - do you know where my car keys are because I was sure I left them on the kitchen table but I can't seem to find them now.

P.S. - I'm also an anti-dentite.

vets,
"Well… I don't see him offering to boycott China for their actions in Tibet. Nor do I hear him suggesting not to buy British and American products for what they do in Iraq, or Sudanic Oil. The only difference is probably because the other countries are not Jews enough for him."

This was my main point. What I find particularly repulsive is the behavior of the so called liberal/progressive majority. I can ignore Larouchemen and other thugs (there will be always some sickos). But find difficult to accept arrogant, ignorant and, frankly, evil attitude of the rest. There is no reason to be so ignorant, no reason to be so arrogant, and no reason to be so evil. It's so easy to say "Oh, it's just anti-Zionism, it's fine." No, it's not, bast ...

Ask every single of these bas..., and each will wax about his/her tolerance and will use "love and peace" millions of times.
No decency, no scruples, no compassion. Once again, when there's no conscience everything is possible.

cont.

The worse that most of them are familiar with the unfairness of "double standards" and similar concepts, and spend their lives yelling that their rights (female, gay, black .. whatever) are violated.
But when it comes to Jews, well … "double standard?", "double standard?" what's that?

Truly evil, truly repulsive.

Space Cadet 1000, you are really in the outer limits. You have gone way further than Captain Kirk and the Starship Enterprise have ever been. Get back to planet Earth soon.

Scotty get on the job!

Apologies everyone - I am annac21's caregiver and I forgot to give her her meds yesterday. AND I left the door to the computer room unlocked.

Anna - we will discuss your behaviour on wednesday's group, okay dear?

"Well… I don't see him offering to boycott China for their actions in Tibet. Nor do I hear him suggesting not to buy British and American products for what they do in Iraq, or Sudanic Oil. The only difference is probably because the other countries are not Jews enough for him."

OK, so you *CAN* criticize israel, but only if you criticize EVERY OTHER COUNTRY IN THE WORLD at the same time. So here goes:

Israel shouldn't bomb innocent children in refugee camps who are already destitute - AND

The US should invade any country it feels like for no reason, AND

The UK shouldn't go along with everything the US says, just to keep its "special relationship" fresh, AND

France and Germany shouldn't just sit on the sidelines and complain about what the US and the UK doing without offering any viable alternatives (especially when there are so many alternatives to offer), AND

China should be nice to Tibetans, AND

Russia shouldn't constantly threaten Europe's economic security by playing the natural gas card, AND

oh and India and Pakistan are BOTH wrong for pursuing nuclear weapons programs AND

ditto on North Korea and Iran, AND

Lebanon should have tried harder to contain Hezbollah, AND

Canada.... shouldn't have ... well, we'll think harder about Canada, AND

Sudan should be nice to Darfur, Serbia should be nice to Kosovo, Spain should be nice to the Basque (and vice versa, already), the Irish should be nicer to.... the Irish, Mother Nature should be nicer to Southeast Asia, Egypt should stop executing innocent gay men, the Scandinavians and the Japanese should be nicer to whales, and the Mongolians should have been way, way nicer to the Chinese aeons ago.

Venezuela shouldn't try to silence political opposition (no matter how much that opposition deserves it), Colombia shouldn't spray itself with so much pesticide, Chile should come to grips with its horrible recent history, Mexicans should stop flying north instead of dealing with their economic problems, and Cuba should stop having such good damn health care at the expense of American dignity.

Did I forget anyone? Phew.... takes so long to mount a single criticism against Israel these days. Oh, and by the way, if you criticize ME for ANYTHING I just said, then YOU'RE a HOMOPHOBE.

Am I still an anti-semite? Aww crap, I forgot about Sub-Saharan Africa and Australia. Well, my fingers are tired. I guess I'll just be an anti-semite. That still makes you a queer-bashing closet case. :-P

Helping hand for you:

Canada: shouldn't be occupying Afghanistan and killing its citizens, shouldn't continue to steal land and resources from First Nations people, shouldn't help the US by doing their bidding in Haiti, shouldn't call the murder of its own civilians by Israeli troops last July a 'measured response.' There's a million other things...

annac21 - The definition I quoted were taken from EUMC. This is an EU organization which has nothing to do with Israel or Judaism.

If someone chose to descriminate only one nation, while ignoring all the others who do a lot worse - It would be appropriate if that someone will give us some explainantion of why the Jewish state is the only state that deserve his wrath.

jove4015 - Thank you. You are now off my antisemic list :-)

For all those who asked what is double standard - There is this book called "dictionary". It explains what double standard is.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/double%20standard

"For all those who asked what is double standard - There is this book called "dictionary". It explains what double standard is."

Frankly, I find it more than comical that people ask such questions. I am pretty sure that most of them would declare themselves tolerant and non-racist. How do they know that, if they aren't familiar with basic concepts. In other words, how do they know that they are not racists.
I am pretty sure that most would offer some pompous declarations how they believe that everyone is equal, etc., then would proceed to behave in a blatantly intolerant, discriminatory way.

Yes, there is a double standard for Israel, and rightfully so. Not for reasons of race, but because we in the "Western World" hold an enormous responsibility for both the creation and maintenance of this horribly racist and warlike "nation". It's existence rightfully brings shame upon us.

Without us it would not exist. Without us it would not have nukes. Without us they would run out of bullets, tanks, planes and bombs within weeks. It is not only the biggest welfare mother on the planet but also a racist, big mouth, whining, lying and murderous welfare mother.

I live in the US and we cause or support a vast majority of the suffering that occurs on the planet. Thanks to the whining Jewish community here in the US we often have headline news about the "terrorist" crimes commited by Palestinians against Israeli Jews. If it was not for this whining and horribly slanted news coverage nobody would give one whit about Israel here in the US. The fact that it does exist makes it a convenient target for critisism that point out our criminal support of Israel because, thanks to the Jews themselves, it is already constantly in our faces and somebody has to tell the truth about the situation instead of letting Jews scream from the mountain tops while the voice of the Palestinians are rarely heard.

When we withdraw our support of Israel, one of our most blatant and undeniable crimes against humanity, though not our worst by far, then perhaps we can move on and end our support for Saudi Arabia, South American death squads trained in the US, and a host of other crimes against humanity. If however we cannot even call the guy who is stabbing children to death right before our eyes and screaming about what a victim he is a murderer, then what hope do we have of of cornering the murderer no-one is paying any attention to.

Israel is a tiny monster but it is a tiny monster that will soon whither and die if we simply stop feeding it. If we can't defeat it then what chance do we have of killing the Kraken that can only be killed by fire and sword?

It is obvious that your foolish reliance on your "education" is misplaced annac21. After all, formal education is the act of someone else telling you what is real and what to think about it. Anyone with a decent memory can receive an education, but only thinking can bring understanding and wisdom. One of the greatest scourges of mankind is an overabundance of educated people who beleive they "know" and therefore see no need to think.

I suggest you think about that.

This is the most retarded argument I've read on this website. AnnaC..I almost fell asleep trying to make sense of your incoherent statements. What I gathered was you're one of those people who cry foul as soon as you hear any criticism against Israel. There are many more evils around the world other than Israel, but that doesn't mean we need to follow your hierarchy.
And please stop the "A N T I S E M I T I S M" ranting..we get it Ma'm!

"Yes, there is a double standard for Israel, and rightfully so"

I don't need to continue to read.

"And please stop the "A N T I S E M I T I S M" ranting..we get it Ma'm!"

Well,
- What I'll do I'll decide.
- I don't rant.
- I don't post for you
- You don't get
- You are not capable of getting anything.

annac21
""Yes, there is a double standard for Israel, and rightfully so"
I don't need to continue to read."

annac21 - You should continue reading, mbruton is getting better and better in exposing his true face. Here are some highlights:

- "Thanks to the whining Jewish community here in the US we often have headline news about the "terrorist" crimes commited by Palestinians against Israeli Jews... "

- "...our criminal support of Israel because, thanks to the Jews themselves..."

- "...somebody has to tell the truth about the situation instead of letting Jews scream from the mountain tops..."

mbruton: Are you an Aryan nation activist? There is no difference between your view on Jews and theirs.

annac21, What you, in your narrow obsession don't seem to be able to grasp is that because of our community's and countries position as the primary base of support for Israel, American Jews like myself and others feel a particular responsibility to criticise the genocidal and racist policies of Israel while also confronting US antisemitism. It actually affects us. I have also been involved in other issues ranging from the anti-Apartheid movement to civil rights, peace work, and anti-racism at home. Though you repeatedly voice the opinion that you alone are the sole holder of truth and the rest of us are ignorant antisemites, what comes through are your own limitations.

The previous poster, einstein, was so right on the money. Annac, you are one of the BS'ers he was talking about. The truth will come out, people eventually get it and I am actually worried about the backlash against the Jewish community.

As am I. Should Isreal be used as a proxy for an attack on Iran, the blowback against US Jews could be viscious. I've experienced the virulency of US antisemitism first hand and it isn't a pleasant thing. All the more reason that it is important that my people separate themselves from Zionism.

Your memory is as delusional as your posts are dear . . .

""Yes, there is a double standard for Israel, and rightfully so"
Vets,
No, I didn't need to read the rest. This sentence is enough.

It's clearly in the tradition:
"Yes, we lynched him, and rightfully so."

The funny/sad thing that the person doesn't understand that a double standard (like lynching) is never right.

Jaded,
I thought you promised to reduce the number of your precious
(yes, I am sarcastic) posts.

I'll ignore the rest of illiterate garbage.

????????????????????????
"The previous poster, einstein, was so right on the money. Annac, you are one of the BS'ers he was talking about. The truth will come out, people eventually get it and I am actually worried about the backlash against the Jewish community."

Their is a rule that one talks about something one knows about.
In the future, could you please educate yourself before you post similar garbage.
By the way, Einstein is dead, and he was a physicist, not
a social scientist.

Saphne,
We're discussing a sick antisemitic piece of garbage,
and you dare to serve your garbage to me.
Are you out of you mind?

"Are you out of you mind?"

Kettle > Pot; Pot > Kettle

"Their is a rule..."

Try to use the sentences we talked about in therapy, Annac.

Yes, "doctor"
It should be "there is a rule."

Well, "doctor" I thought that even American doctors are taught
now not to evaluate anyone from a culture they are not familiar with?

You're "toiling" in vain, "doctor," or someone is paying you in vain.
Who can it be? who can it be?

I think American doctors are - I work with a couple of them so I will ask them this afternoon.

Seriously, you are dealing with some pretty strong anger issues, aren't you? You should seek some help. I am not being facetious. It can help a lot.

Oh, "doctor," thank you so much, particularly for entering my area of expertise, and I can help you here.

I will tell you about the Nazi psychiatrists who were brought here by Rockefeller (facts, doctor, facts) to train psychiatrists to do what you are doing:

- pacify the population
- isolate the most intelligent and independent, etc.

In other words, they were brought here to apply the valuable
old world techniques ("Angry, go to a psychiatrist", for example).
They were successful, and we had a silent acceptance of the 2000 election, for example, or love of "wage slavery.

You see "doctor," I can be really helpful.

Phew! She's gone.

Just moved on to a different topic.
I said what I wanted to say
It would take many more hired th.. to remove me

"Does anybody believe that murdering innocent civilians is justified?"

answer: America, Britain, Canada, Saudi Arabia, Israel etc etc etc etc

AD: "Space Cadet 1000, when will you get over this obsession with anti Semitism or anal Semitism? Scotty beam this person back to Earth! "

It comes from the definition of what is antisemitism.
In some specific cases (Not always) attacking Israel could be regards as antisemitism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism

EUMC (European Monitoring Centre on Racism and Xenophobia) discussed ways in which attacking Israel could be antisemitic, depending on the context, while clarifying that "criticism of Israel similar to that leveled against any other country cannot be regarded as antisemitic."